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700 Club Interactive - Surviving Breast Cancer - October 24, 2011

"Warrior Chicks" author Holly Wagner shares her story of how she not only survived, but overcame breast cancer. Read Transcript


[APPLAUSE]

Gordon: WELL, WELCOME

TO "700 CLUB INTERACTIVE."

DURING THE MONTH OF OCTOBER,

WE SEE A LOT OF PINK

RIBBONS, AND MEN WALKING A

MILE IN HER SHOES TO BRING

BREAST CANCER AWARENESS.

SHIS YEAR MORE THAN 200,000

AMERICANS WILL BE DIAGNOSED

WITH THE DISEASE.

Terry: AND WITH ITS

PROGNOSIS COMES INVASIVE

SURGERY AND PAINFUL

TREATMENTS.

SADLY, NEARLY 40,000 PEOPLE

WILL LOSE THEIR BATTLE WITH

BREAST CANCER IN 2011

ALONE.

HOWEVER, AS LAURIE JOHNSON

TELLS US, THE BEST WAY TO

BEET THIS DISEASE IS WITH A

HEALTHY LIFESTYLE AND EARLY

DETECTION.

Reporter: PAM SMITH

SEES EVERY DAY AS A GIFT

FROM GOD.

LIFE TOOK ON NEW MEANING

WHEN SHE LEARNED HE HAD

BREAST CANCER.

IF IT CAN HAPPEN TO ME,

IT CAN HAPPEN TO ANYONE.

Reporter: THAT NEWS

CAME FOLLOWING HER YEARLY

MAMMOGRAM, THE BREAST X-RAY

THAT HAS BEEN RECOMMENDED

FOR ALL WOMEN BEGINNING AT

AGE 40.

MAMMOGRAMS CAN DETECT CANCER

WHEN IT IS STILL VERY SMALL,

WHICH IS VALUABLE BECAUSE

CANCER BECOMES DEADLY AS IT

GROWS AND SPREADS TO OTHER

ORGANS.

THE PHONE RANG, IT WAS

8:00 AND THE MORNING, AND HE

IS STANDING THERE, AND I

TURN TO HIM AND SAY, OH, MY

GOD, THEY THINK I HAVE

BREAST CANCER.

WE BOTH JUST -- HE

STARTED CRYING AND I STARTED

CRYING.

WE WERE -- IT WAS

DEVASTATING.

IT WAS SHOCKING.

Reporter: IN HER NEW

BOOK "101 THINGS YOU SHOULD

KNOW ABOUT BREAST CANCER,"

PAM CHRONICLES HOW SHE

SUFFERED THROUGH A

MASTECTOMY, CHEMOTHERAPY,

AND RADIATION.

HER PROGNOSIS IS GOOD

BECAUSE AT AGE 46 SHE CAUGHT

IT EARLY THANKS TO THAT

MAMMOGRAM.

BUT NOW A GOVERNMENT PANEL

RECOMMENDS WOMEN WAIT UNTIL

AGE 50 TO BEGIN GETTING

THOSE CHECKUPS.

A MOVE THAT COULD CARRY

DEADLY CONSEQUENSES.

IT ENDED UP BEING FOUR

TUMORS.

ONE WAS FAIRLY LARGE.

IF I HAD WAITED, THERE IS NO

DOUBT IT WOULD HAVE SPREAD.

AND IF I WAITED UNTIL 50, I

MEAN -- I WOULDN'T BE HERE.

Reporter: THE REASON

GIVEN BY U.S. PREVENTIVE

SERVICES TASKFORCE IS THEY

SAY EVEN THOUGH MAMMOGRAMS

REDUCE THE RISK OF DYING BY

15% AMONG WOMEN IN THEIR

40s, THE RISK OF FALSE

POSITIVES AND INNOVATIVE"7C

PROCEDURES ASSOCIATED WITH

THEM OUTWEIGH THE BENEFITS.

AND THEY ALSO BRING UP A

COST FACTOR.

MAMMOGRAMS PERFORMED ON

WOMEN IN THEIR 40s SAVE

ONE LIFE EVERY 1900

MAMMOGRAMS PERFORMED.

COMPARED TO WOMEN IN THEIR

50s, AND DR. NINA

SPECIALIZES IN READING

MAMMOGRAMS AT A CANCER

NETWORK, ONE OF ONLY 32

SYSTEMS NATIONWIDE WITH

ACCREDITATION BY THE

AMERICAN COLLEGE OF

SURGEONS.

SHE ALSO DISPUTES THE

GOVERNMENT'S NEW

GUIDELINES.

YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE

ENOUGH INFORMATION YET TO

SAY, NO, YOU DON'T NEED TO

HAVE MAMMOGRAMS IN YOUR

40s.

Reporter: HER OWN STUDY

OF BREAST CANCER PATIENTS AT

SINTERA FOUND NOW EVIDENCE

TO SUPPORT WAITING UNTIL AGE

50.

WE IDENTIFIED ABOUT THE

SAME NUMBER OF CANCERS IN

THE 40-YEAR-OLDS AS WE DID

IN THE 50-YEAR-OLDS.

AND I JUST -- I DON'T

UNDERSTAND IT.

Reporter: FURTHERMORE,

SHE POINTS TO A RECENT

SWEDISH STUDY OF A MILLION

WOMEN FOLLOWED OVER 20 YEARS

THAT SUGGESTS SCREENING

WOMEN IN THEIR 40s COULD

REDUCE THE DEATH RATE BY

ALMOST 30%.

SURVEYS LIKE THAT ARE WHY SO

MANY DOCTORS AND THE

AMERICAN CANCER SOCIETY

STICK BY THE ORIGINAL

RECOMMENDATION OF STARTING

MAMMOGRAMS AT AGE 40.

IN ADDITION TO GETTING

MAMMOGRAMS, DOCTORS ALSO

RECOMMEND WOMEN DO THEIR OWN

BREAST SELF-EXAMS AT HOME

EVERY MONTH, IMMEDIATELY

FOLLOWING MENSTRUATION.

Reporter: USING TWO

FINGERS, PRESS DOWN FIRMLY

IN SMALL CIRCLES, GOING OVER

THE ENTIRE BREAST AREA.

TELL YOUR DR. IMMEDIATELY IF

YOU FEEL A THICKENING OR

LUMP THAT MIGHT FEEL LIKE A

PEBBLE OR FROZEN PEA.

SHE OFFERS EDUCATION ABOUT

BREAST HEALTH 101 AT

CHURCHES OR CIVIC

ORGANIZATIONS.

I ALWAYS ENCOURAGE THE

PATIENTS TO KNOW THEIR

BREASTS MORE THAN THEIR

DOCTORS, SO THEY IF THEY

KNOW SOMETHING IS KNEW,

THEY -- NEW, THEY CAN POINT

IT OUT TO THE DOCTOR AND SAY

THIS IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT

I'VE NOTICED.

Reporter: SHE ALSO

POINTS OUT RESEARCH THAT THE

CHANCE OF GETTING BREAST

CANCER CAN BE REDUCED BY

EXERCISING, MAINTAINING A

HEALTHY WEIGHT, AND EATING A

DIET HIGH IN FRESH FRUITS

AND VEGETABLES.

ALSO STAY AWAY FROM SUGAR,

TRANS-FATS, ALCOHOL AND

SMOKING.

WHILE IT IS IMPORTANT TO

MAKE LIFESTYLE CHANGES THAT

HAVE BEEN PROVEN TO DECREASE

YOUR CHANCE OF GETTING

BREAST CANCER, YOU CAN ALSO

PUT AWAY SOME OF THE MYTHS

ASSOCIATED WITH WHAT CAUSES

IT.

FOR EXAMPLE, DEODERANTS AND

ANTIPERSPIRANTS DO NOT CAUSE

BREAST CANCER.

THE SAME GOES FOR UNDERWEAR

BRAS, OR ANY CLOTHING FOR

THAT MATTER.

HAVING LARGE BREASTS OR

BREAST IMPLANTS DO NOT

INCREASE YOUR RISK.

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE

RADIATION FROM A MAMMOGRAM

DOES NOT POSE A SIGNIFICANT

THREAT.

IT IS ABOUT THE SAME

AMOUNT OF RADIATION AS IF

YOU'VE TAKEN AN AIRPLANE

TRIP FROM BOSTON TO L.A.

SO IT'S A VERY LOW AMOUNT.

MUCH LESS THAN, SAY, A CHEST

X-RAY.

Reporter: SO WHILE

MAMMOGRAMS AREN'T PERFECT,

THEY DO SAVE LIVES.

I WOULD HAVE MISSED MY

SON'S GRADUATION FROM

COLLEGE.

I WOULD HAVE MISSED MY SON'S

WEDDING.

HE HAS GOT A BEAUTIFUL

WIFE.

I'VE GOT A DAUGHTER

FINALLY.

THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT

YOU MISS IF YOU DON'T GO AND

GET THAT ANNUAL MAMMOGRAM.

Reporter: LAURIE

JOHNSON, CBN NEWS.

Terry: WELL, TODAY'S

GUEST IS ONE OF THE

COURAGEOUS WOMEN WHO HAS

OVERCOME CANCER, BREAST

CANCER, AND WE'D LIKE TO

WELCOME HOLLY WAGNER TO "700

CLUB INTERACTIVE."

HOLLY, IT'S GREAT TO HAVE

YOU WITH US?

THANKS, IT'S GREAT TO BE

HERE.

Terry: HOLLY, LET'S

TALK ABOUT MAMMOGRAMS FIRST

AND FOREMOST.

YOU'VE GONE THROUGH THIS

EXPERIENCE.

HOW IMPORTANT ARE THEY, AND

WHEN DO YOU THINK A WOMAN

SHOULD RECEIVE HER FIRST

MAMMOGRAM?

I'M A BIG BELIEVER IN THE

EREARLIER, THE BETTER AS

WELL.

ALTHOUGH I HAVE TO SAY I

FOUND THE LUMP IN MY BREAST

BECAUSE I WAS COMMITTED TO

DO MY MONTHLY SELF-EXAM.

I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYONE

TO DO THEIR OWN SELF-EXAM.

I WENT DOWN TO HAVE A

MAMMOGRAM AND I WAS IN MY

EARLY 40s.

I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO

HAVE A BASE LINE, EVEN IF

THERE IS NOTHING THERE, SO

YOU HAVE A BASE LINE OF WHAT

A HEALTHY BREAST TISSUE

WOULD LOOK LIKE.

Terry: WHEN YOU FIRST

FOUND THE LUMP, DID YOU

ASSUME IT WAS CANCER?

WERE YOU FEAR-FILLED?

WHAT DID YOU THINK?

ACTUALLY, I DIDN'T THINK

IT WAS.

I HAVE HAD A CYST BEFORE.

IT DID FEEL A LITTLE

DIFFERENT THAN THE CYST

BECAUSE IT WAS HARDER.

BUT I THOUGHT, MAYBE THIS IS

JUST A HARDER CYST OR

SOMETHING.

SO I DIDN'T REALLY GO IN

EXPECTING IT TO BE BREAST

CANCER.

SO WHEN I WAS TOLD THAT IT

WAS, I WAS PRETTY

SURPRISED.

ACTUALLY, WHEN I WALKED IN

THERE, THE NURSE WAS

CRYING.

SO YOU KNOW IT IS NOT GOING

TO BE GOOD WHEN THE NURSE IS

CRYING.

Terry: YEAH, I GUESS

NOT.

NOT A GOOD SIGN.

Terry: WERE YOU FILLED

WITH FEAR?

WHAT WENT THROUGH YOUR MIND?

WELL, SURPRISE AND

SHOCK.

AND I JUST REMEMBER,

YOU KNOW, MY HUSBAND WAS

THERE WITH ME, AND WE WENT

HOME AND TOLD OUR KIDS.

AND IN THAT MOMENT I

REALIZED THAT THE WAY THAT I

NAVIGATED THIS, THE WAY THAT

I APPROACHED IT, WOULD

ACTUALLY BE THE WAY THAT IT

AFFECTED MY FAMILY.

SO I JUST WENT, YOU KNOW

WHAT?

THAT CANCER HAS TO BOW TO

ME.

SO I'M GOING TO PUT

EVERYTHING I KNOW, PUT ALL

OF MY FAITH AND HOPE AND

TRUST IN HIM, AND I'M GOING

TO BE THAT WARRIOR THAT

RISES EN THE MIDST OF

CHALLENGE AND I'M GOING TO

FIGHT IT WITH FAITH.

I'M GOING TO DO ALL OF THE

NATURAL STUFF I NEEDED TO

DO.

I CHANGED MY EXERCISE

ROUTINE AND WHAT I EAT AND

HOW I SLEEP, AND ALL OF

THAT, BUT I DID REALIZE THAT

I NEEDED TO CALL IN THE NAME

OF JESUS.

Terry: HOLLY, WHAT WERE

SOME OF THE STRUGGLES YOU

ENCOUNTERED?

WELL, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE

SOME BATTLES IN LIFE THAT --

THEY SAY YOU HAVE TO CHOOSE

YOUR BATTLES.

IN MARRIAGE AND PARENTING,

THAT IS PROBABLY GOOD

ADVICE.

BUT I DIDN'T CHOOSE TO

BATTLE CANCER.

IT JUST SORT OF CAME UP.

AND SO I REALIZE FOR ME I

HAVE THIS RESPONSIBILITY TO

RISE IN THE MIDST OF THIS

CHALLENGE.

AND THERE ARE -- IN PROVERBS

31, IT SAYS, SHE RISES WHILE

IT IS YET NIGHT.

I'M THINKING, NO, SHE

DOESN'T.

SHE SLEEPS WHILE IT IS

NIGHT.

THAT VERSE USED TO ANNOY

ME.

BUT IT IS SHE, THIS AMAZING

WOMAN, SHE RISES IN THE

MIDST OF CHAOS AND

ADVERSITY.

WHEN OTHER PEOPLE ARE

COLLAPSING, SHE RISES.

I HAD TO MAKE THAT DECISION

TO BE THE SHE THAT RISES.

YOU HAVE TO WATCH YOUR

ATTITUDE.

AND WHEN YOU WOULD RATHER GO

IN THE CORNER AND MOAN AND

CRY, YOU HAVE TO GO NO,

BECAUSE I'M GOING TO BE THE

SHE THAT RISES.

AND THERE ARE SURGERIES AND

PAIN AND TREATMENTS.

YOU READ THE STATISTICS

ABOUT BREAST CANCER, WHICH I

HAD TO LEARN TO LIMIT -- I

WASN'T GO TO READ ALL OF THE

STATISTICS ABOUT BREAST

CANCER BEFORE I WENT TO

BED.

SO I HAD TO CHANGE SOME OF

THOSE THINGS.

I HAD TO MAKE A DECISION IN

MY HEART AND SOUL TO BE THE

SHE THAT RISES.

Terry: HOLLY, EVEN

HAVING DONE THAT, AS YOU

TALK ABOUT HAVING TO GO

THROUGH SURGERY AND HAVING

PAIN INVOLVED WITH IT, AND

JUST ALL OF THE UNKNOWNS

THAT ARE A PART OF CANCER

TREATMENT, DID YOU EVER HAVE

TIMES WHERE YOU SUFFERED

FROM DEPRESSION, OR WHERE

YOU FELT LIKE GOD HAD

FORGOTTEN YOU?

I DON'T KNOW THAT I

REALLY GOT DEPRESSED.

YOU KNOW, I THINK IF THERE

IS ONE THING I DID RIGHT,

THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT I

HAD TO LEARN.

I HAD TO LEARN TO HAVE FAITH

FOR THIS DAY.

I'M THE KIND OF PERSON I

WANT TO KNOW THE PLAN.

I WANT TO KNOW IF THIS IS

THE STAGE OF CANCER, AND

THIS IS THE TREATMENT I HAVE

TO HAVE, WHAT IS GOING TO

HAPPEN IF WE DO THIS.

ALL OF THAT BRINGS FEAR.

I HAD TO HAVE FAITH FOR THIS

DAY.

ONE THING I DID RIGHT IS I

SURROUNDED MYSELF WITH JUST

STRONG PEOPLE.

PEOPLE WHO WERE NOT ONLY

COMPASSIONATE, BUT WHO WERE

PRAYING FOR ME.

AND SO THERE WERE MANY TIMES

WHEN I WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF

A TREATMENT THAT SHOULD HAVE

BEEN ABSOLUTELY

OVERWHELMING, AND I FELT

UNDEUNDERGURDED AND

STRENGTHENED.

I KNEW SOMEBODY WAS PRAYING

FOR ME.

I DON'T THINK I COULD HAVE

GOTTEN THROUGH THIS WITH THE

PEOPLE I SURROUNDED MYSELF

WITH.

ON THE OTHER HAND, I DID THE

RIGHT THING, I POSITIONED

MYSELF WELL FOR THIS

BATTLE.

I HAD SO MANY GREAT PEOPLE

AROUND ME.

THE ONES THAT REMINDED ME OF

MY PURPOSE.

THERE WAS A MOMENT WHEN I

WANTED TO FREAK OUT.

I WAS IN A MEETING WITH

SOMEONE WHO HAD A DOUBLE

MASTECTOMY AND FELT LIKE SHE

NEEDED TO MOVE TO WEST

VIRGINIA AND MOVE IN THE

MOUNTAINS AND PLAY HER

UKULELE WITH NO STRESS.

AND I THOUGHT, MAYBE I NEED

TO MOVE AND PLAY MY UKULELE,

EVEN THOUGH I DON'T PLAY

ONE, AND I HAD A FRIEND THAT

SAID THE CALL AND PURPOSE

GOD HAS GIVEN ME WAS HERE IN

LOS ANGELES.

Terry: SPEAKING OF

FIGHTING THE FIGHT, THE NAME

OF YOUR BOOK IS "WARRIOR

CHICKS," AND YOU HAVE A LOT

OF WONDERFUL ADVICE IN HERE,

NOT FOR JUST PEOPLE

STRUGGLING WITH BREAST

CANCER, BUT ANY AS VERSITY.

COMING INTO WHATEVER HAPPENS

TO YOU IN LIFE, FULLY

PREPARED WITH, I ASSUME, THE

KIND OF PEOPLE YOU'RE

TALKING ABOUT, AND ABOUT

BEING IN THE WORD AND ALL

KINDS OF WONDERFUL ADVICE.

WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR

BEING ON THE PROGRAM TODAY

AND FOR OFFERING THIS KIND

OF HOPE FOR WOMEN WHO ARE IN

THE SAME SITUATION YOU ARE

AND ALSO WOMEN WHO FIND ALL

KINDS OF STRUGGLES.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

I HOPE IT IS AN

ENCOURAGEMENT TO PEOPLE.

Terry: IT SURE IS.

"WARRIOR CHICKS" IS THE NAME

OF THE BOOK.

GORDON?

Gordon: COMING UP ON

THE PROGRAM, WE'RE GOING TO

BE PRAYING FOR YOU AND YOUR

NEEDS.

STAY TUNED.

Gordon: EACH YEAR

NEARLY 200,000 WOMEN IN

AMERICA ARE DIAGNOSED WITH

BREAST CANCER.

CYNTHIA KNOEL WAS ONE OF

THEM.

IT COULD TAKE YEARS FOR A

WOMAN TO BEAT THE DISEASE,

BUT FOR CYNTHIA, IT TOOK TWO

DAYS.

I WASN'T FEELING WELL.

IT WAS EXTREMELY TIRED.

AND I SENSED THAT SOMETHING

WAS WRONG.

BUT I WASN'T EXACTLY SURE.

SO I WENT TO THE DOCTOR.

AND SHE WAS EXAMINING ME,

AND SHE FELT SOMETHING IN MY

BREAST.

AND SHE SAID, WE NEED TO

HAVE A MAMMOGRAM.

I SAID, OKAY.

I'LL GO HAVE ONE.

AND I DID.

AND THEY FOUND A THREE

CENTIMETRE LUMP IN MY

BREAST.

I WENT TO CHURCH BECAUSE I

WAS BURDENED ABOUT IT.

I WAS AFRAID OF BEING SICK.

I WAS AFRAID OF LEAVING MY

FAMILY.

THE PREACHER SAID THERE IS

SOMEONE HERE WHO HAS CANCER

IN YOUR BREAST, AND YOU HAVE

UNFORGIVENESS.

IT WAS LIKE GOD OPENED MY

EYES.

THE SCALES -- THEY WERE JUST

REMOVED FROM MY EYES.

AND I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, I

DO HAVE UNFORGIVENESS.

AND GOD JUST REVEALED IT TO

ME.

IN A WAY THAT WAS POWERFUL.

AND I WENT TO THE ALTER, AND

I RELEASED IT.

AND I WAS WATCHING CBN AND

GORDON HAD A WORD OF

KNOWLEDGE.

Gordon: SO RIGHT NOW,

CHOOSE TO FORGIVE.

FROM YOUR INNER MOST BEING,

JUST FORGIVE THOSE WHO HAVE

HURT YOU.

AND I KNEW THAT WAS JUST

A CONFIRMATION.

I FELT THAT GORDON WAS

SPEAKING TO ME.

IT ALMOST FELT LIKE HE WAS

SAYING MY NAME.

AND I THOUGHT, THANK YOU,

LORD.

THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING

THROUGH GORDON TO ME.

I RECEIVE IT.

ABOUT TWO DAYS LATER, I WENT

BACK AND THEY DID ANOTHER

MAMMOGRAM.

AND THEY COULD FIND

NOTHING.

AND I KNEW I HAD BEEN

HEALED.

SO I ENDED UP IN ONE DAY

HAVING FOUR MAMMOGRAMS AND

AN ULTRASOUND AND THEY

COULDN'T FIND ANYTHING.

AND I KNOW THAT GOD HEALED

ME.

I KNOW HE HEALED ME, AND I

JUST PRAISE HIM FOR IS.

Gordon: HE WILL HEAL

YOU.

WHAT'S THE ONE THING THAT

WILL STOP GOD'S FORGIVENESS

FROM FLOWING, AND THAT'S

WHEN WE HAVE UNFORGIVENESS

TO OTHERS.

WE START LOOKING AT OUR

BODIES, OUR PHYSIOLOGY --

START UNDERSTANDING, WE

WEREN'T MADE FOR THAT.

WE WEREN'T MADE TO HAVE

UNFORGIVENESS.

WE WEREN'T MADE TO HAVE

BITTERNESS AND ANGER.

WHEN YOU UNDERSTAND GOD'S

PLAN, GOD'S PLAN FOR US WAS

WE WOULD DWELL IN A GARDEN.

AND HE WOULD PROVIDE FOR ALL

OF OUR NEEDS.

HE WOULD COME DOWN IN THE

COOL OF THE EVENING AND TALK

WITH US.

WE'RE THE ONES THAT MESSED

THAT UP.

WE'RE THE ONES THAT GOT INTO

JUDGMENT.

WE'RE THE ONES THAT ATE FROM

THE FRUIT OF THE TREE OF THE

KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL.

AND WHEN WE DID THAT, WE

STARTED JUDGING.

AND WE STARTED SAYING, WELL,

THIS ISN'T RIGHT.

SOME OF US, WE JUDGE

OURSELVES.

WE DO THAT EVERY DAY.

WE LOOK IN THE MIRROR, AND

WE SAY WE DON'T LOOK RIGHT.

WE START SAYING, YOU KNOW,

WHY WAS I SO STUPID?

AND YOU START JUDGING AND

CONDEMNING YOURSELF.

AND IT'S NOT JUST TO OTHERS,

WE DO IT TO US.

AND IN THAT, THERE IS

TREMENDOUS POWER IN OUR

WORDS.

AND THAT POWER CAN CREATE

STRESS AND ANXIETY.

AND MODERN MEDICINE IS

STARTING TO UNDERSTAND NOW

HOW MUCH THAT BITTERNESS,

STRESS, ANXIETY STARTS TO

LEAD TO BREAK DOWN IN

CELLULAR STRUCTURE, STARTS

TO LEAD TO ALL OF THE

DISEASES OF IMFLAMMATION.

YOU CAN LITERALLY BRING ON A

HEART ATTACK.

ALL BASED ON WHAT WE THINK

AND HOW WE EXPRESS THAT.

AND THE THINGS THAT WE HOLD

ON TO.

NOW, JESUS HAD A PARABLE,

AND IT IS ABOUT A MAN WHO

HAD A DEBT TO A KING, AND IT

WAS MORE THAN HE COULD EVER

PAY, EVER, EVER, EVER.

IT WAS HUGE.

AND THE KING SAID, OKAY,

I'LL FORGIVE YOU THE DEBT,

I'LL LET YOU WALK FREE FROM

IT.

AND AS HE WAS LEAVING THE

KING'S PRESENCE, HE FOUND

SOMEONE WHO OWED HIM A SMALL

AMOUNT OF MONEY, AND HE

REFUSED TO FORGIVE THE

DEBT.

AND HE TOLD THEM, I WILL

HOLD YOU IN PRISON UNTIL YOU

PAY EVERY PENNY.

NOW, JESUS TOLD THAT PARABLE

AS TO WHAT WOULD HAPPEN WHEN

GOD FINDS OUT WE DON'T

FORGIVE OTHERS.

IT IS INTERESTING THE WORDS

HE CHOSE.

HE SAID, "THE KING DELIVERED

HIM OVER TO THE TORTURERS

UNTIL HE WOULD PAY EVERY BIT

OF IT."

WELL, IF YOU UNDERSTAND HOW

BITTERNESS STO TORTURES

YOUR OWN BODY, YOU

UNDERSTAND THE MEANING

BEHIND THAT PARABLE.

HOW LITERALLY YOU TORTURE

YOURSELF.

AND EVERY TIME YOU REMEMBER

WHAT WAS DONE WRONG TO YOU,

YOU RELIVE IT, AND YOU

RELIVE THE INJURY.

THE PERSON THAT DID IT TO

YOU IS LONG GONE.

YOU KNOW?

THEY'RE NOT BEING AFFECTED

AT ALL BY YOUR BITTERNESS.

BUT YOU'RE BEING AFFECTED BY

IT.

AND IT'S BREAKING DOWN YOUR

BODY.

SO FORGIVE.

WAS FREE FROM IT.

WALK IN LOVE.

WALK IN FORGIVENESS.

AND WHEN YOU DO, THEN YOU

OPEN UP WINDOWS IN HEAVEN

AND YOU RECEIVE FORGIVENESS

AS WELL.

AND YOU RECEIVE HEALING, AND

YOU RECEIVE RESTORATION.

YOU LITERALLY DWELL IN THIS

PRESENCE.

AND JUST LIKE IN THE GARDEN

OF EDEN, GOD WILL COME DOWN

AND TALK WITH YOU.

AND HE'LL RESTORE YOU AND

REFRESH YOU.

SO IF YOU WANT THAT, WALK IN

FORGIVENESS.

FORGIVE US OUR DEBT, AS WE

FORGIVE OUR DEBTORS, AND

THAT'S THE LORD'S PRAYER.

WHEN YOU UNDERSTAND THE LINK

BETWEEN THEM, THAT'S WHEN

YOU START WALKING IN

FORGIVENESS AND YOU FORGIVE

EVERYBODY, INCLUDING

YOURSELF.

NOW, THAT'S THE BASIS FOR

IT.

IF YOU WANT PRAYER FOR

HEALING, AND THAT'S WHAT

WE'RE GOING TO DO NOW --

TERRY AND I ARE GOING TO

AGREE, BUT BEFORE WE DO

THAT, JUST START THINKING OF

THE THINGS THAT YOU HOLD

AGAINST SOMEBODY ELSE, AND

JUST SAY, I FORGIVE THEM.

I SET THEM FREE.

THEY OWE ME NOTHING.

I WANT THEM TO WALK FREE

FROM ANY GUILT AND SHAME,

AND I WANT TO BE FREE FROM

THIS MYSELF.

AND THAT WILL RELEASE YOU.

AND THEN RELEASE GOD'S

HEALING POWER INTO YOUR

BODY.

LET'S PRAY.

LORD, WE JUST LIFT THE NEEDS

OF THE AUDIENCE TO YOU RIGHT

NOW.

AND AS PEOPLE ARE THINKING

OF ALL THE WOUNDS THAT HAVE

HAPPENED TO THEM OVER THEIR

LIFE, WE JUST JOIN WITH THEM

AND WE SAY WE FORGIVE.

WE SET THEM FREE.

THEY OWE US NOTHING.

AND, LORD, WE WANT NOTHING

TO SEPARATE US FROM YOUR

FORGIVENESS.

AND SO WE SAY FORGIVE.

WE SET FREE NOW, AND WE ASK

FOR YOUR FORGIVENESS FOR

HOLDING ON TO BITTERNESS.

AND, LORD, WE ALSO FORGIVE

OURSELVES BECAUSE IF YOU

DIED FOR US, WE'RE THAT

VALUABLE, WE'RE WORTH THE

PRICE THAT YOU PAID.

SO WE SET OURSELVES FREE

FROM ALL THE MISTAKES OF OUR

PAST, AND WE SAY "BEHOLD,

ALL THINGS ARE MADE NEW."

AND WE SAY TODAY IS THE DAY

THAT THE LORD HAS MADE AND

WE WILL REJOICE AND BE DPLAD

GLAD IN IT.

AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE

FUTURE.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO TOMORROW

BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT YOU

HAVE OUR FUTURE.

AND NOW LET YOUR HEALING

FLOW.

LET YOUR ANOINTING FLOW.

LET YOUR PEACE BE MULTIPLIED

INTO PEOPLE'S BODIES NOW.

AND WE SAY TO THAT HEADACHE

RIGHT NOW, BE STILL; PEACE

TO YOU.

NO MORE PAIN.

NO MORE ILLNESS.

BE GONE NOW IN JESUS' NAME.

SOMEONE WITH AN EYE

CONDITION, YOU'VE BEEN

DIAGNOSED AS IT'S CAUSED BY

STRESS, AND IT CAUSES A

FEELING OF PAIN IN YOUR

EYES -- IT'S ALMOST LIKE

LITTLE GRAINS OF SAND ON

YOUR EYELID.

AND GOD IS HEALING YOU AND

RESTORING YOU IN JESUS'

NAME.

BE HEALED.

ALL PAIN BE GONE NOW IN

JESUS' NAME.

TERRY?

Terry: SOMEONE, YOU'VE

BEEN IN SOME KIND OF AN

ACCIDENT -- NOT NECESSARILY

A CAR ACCIDENT, BUT YOU HAVE

CRACKED YOUR OCCIPITAL

BONE.

AND GONE IS HEALING YOU.

ALL OF THAT SWELLING AND

PAIN AND THAT OVERWHELMING

FEELING OF PRECIOUS AR --

PRESSURE ARE GOING TO BEGIN

TO LEAVE YOU.

AND SOMEBODY ELSE, YOU'VE

HAD SUCH A PROBLEM WITH YOUR

SINUSES, YOU CAN HARDLY

BREATHE.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS

ALLERGY-RELATED, BUT YOU'LL

FEEL IT LOOSEN UP.

YOU'LL BE ABLE TO BREATHE

COMPLETELYLY FREELY, AND IT

WILL NOT RETURN AGAIN.

Gordon: SOMEBODY WITH

INJURY TO YOUR RIGHT

SHOULDER, YOUR DOCTOR HAS

TOLD YOU YOU HAVE

QUARTERBACK SHOULDER, FROM

SOME KIND OF REPETITIVE

INJURY, AND GOD IS HEALING

YOU NOW.

YOU'RE BEING RESTORED.

YOU HAVE FULL MOVEMENT.

WHAT YOU COULDN'T DO BEFORE,

DO NOW.

AND RECEIVE HEALING INTO

YOUR BODY.

START MOVING YOUR RIGHT ARM

AND REALIZE YOU'VE BEEN SET

FREE.

Terry: SOMEBODY ELSE,

YOU HAVE UNEVEN HIPS.

AND GOD IS EVENING THAT OUTS

FOR YOU RIGHT NOW.

Gordon: LORD, WE THANK

YOU FOR YOU ARE THE HEALER.

YOU ARE THE FORGIVER.

YOU ARE OUR ALL IN ALL.

WHEN WE RECEIVE, YOU WE

RECEIVE ALL WE NEED.

BLESS YOU FOR WHAT WE'VE

DONE.

IN JESUS' NAME.

IF YOU'VE BEEN TOUCHED BY

GOD, WE WANT TO SHARE IN

YOUR GOOD REPORT.

SO CALL US, 1-800-759-0700.

IF YOU NEED PRAYER, GIVE US

A CALL.

TERRY?

Terry: WHEN SATA WAS

DIAGNOSED WITH CANCER, SHE

THOUGHT SHE WAS GIVEN A

DEATH SENTENCE.

BUT INSTEAD, THIS INDONESIAN

WOMAN WAS ABOUT TO SEE A

MIRACLE.

IT ALL STARTED WITH A

TELEVISION SHOW AND A PHONE

CALL.

Reporter: SOMETIMES SHE

WOULD FEEL FAINT.

OTHER TIMES SHE WOULD SIMPLY

LOSE CONSCIOUSNESS.

I WENT TO SEE SOME

DOCTORS TO FIND OUT WHAT WAS

WRONG, BUT THEY COULDN'T

GIVE ME A CLEAR DIAGNOSIS.

AND THE PAIN MEDICINE THEY

PRESCRIBED DIDN'T WORK

EITHER.

I WAS LIVING WITH SO MUCH

PAIN, AND IT WAS GETTING

WORSE BY THE DAY.

Reporter: SARTE FINALLY

FOUND ANOTHER DOCTOR WHO

GAVE HER THE GRIM DIAGNOSIS:

CANCER.

AFTER SEVERAL CHECKUPS,

THE DOCTOR TOLD ME I HAVE

TUME TUMORS IN MY BODY, ONE

IN MY BRAIN AND ONE IN MY

BREAST.

I FELT SO SAD AND ALONE.

TO ME, HAVING CANCER IS A

DEATH SENTENCE BECAUSE MY

MOTHER DIED A YEAR AGO OF

BREAST CANCER.

Reporter: BUT ONE NIGHT

GOD REVEALED TO SARTE HE

WOULD NEVER LEAVE HER

ALONE.

GOD PUT SOMETHING INTO MY

MIND.

HE REMINDED ME ABOUT THE

TIME I SAW A TV PROGRAM

CALLED SALUCY.

I REMEMBER I HAD EVEN

WRITTEN DOWN THEIR PRAYER

NUMBER.

Reporter: SARTE SENT

PRAYER, AND A COUNSELLOR

CALLED HER AND BEGAN TO PRAY

WITH HER ON A REGULAR

BASES.

MY FAITH WAS GETTING

STRONGER.

Reporter: DAYS WENT BY,

SARTE STILL SUFFERED WITH

PAIN, BUT SHE KEPT TRUSTING

GOD FOR HEALING AND SHE

CONTINUED CALLING FOR

PRAYER.

THEN ON THE SEVENTH DAY,

SARTE SAYS A MIRACLE

HAPPENED.

AS SHE AWOKE THAT MORNING,

THERE WAS NO MORE PAIN IN

HER HEAD.

NO MORE LUMP ON HER BREAST.

SARTE HAD BEEN TOTALLY

HEALED.

I WAS SO HAPPY WHEN I

REALIZED I WAS HEALED.

I WAS SO HAPPY BECAUSE I

RECEIVED THAT FROM GOD.

IT WAS A MIRACLE FOR ME.

THANKS FOR ALL OF THE

PRAYERS AND FOR YOUR

SUPPORT.

I AM SO HAPPY YOU ARE PART

OF THIS MIRACLE, TOO.

Terry: BEING THERE,

THAT'S WHAT CBN IS ALL

ABOUT -- BEING THERE FOR

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NEED.

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WE'RE HAPPY TO WELCOME YOU.

Gordon: WE LEAVE YOU

WITH THIS WORD FROM ROMNS --

"ENDURES DEVELOPS STRENGTH

OF CHARACTER

AND CHARACTER STRENGTHENS OUR

CONFIDENT EXPECTATION OF

SALVATION."

GOD BLESS YOU.

WE'LL SEE YOU AGAIN.

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