[APPLAUSE]

Gordon: WELL, WELCOME

TO "700 CLUB INTERACTIVE."

TODAY WE CONTINUE OUR SERIES

ON THE PARANORMAL.

SOME PEOPLE THINK IT IS JUST

A FIGMENT OF OUR

IMAGINATION, JUST SPOOKY

STORIES HEARD FROM CAMPFIRES

TO HOLLYWOOD.

BUT OTHERS SAY IT IS VERY

REAL.

IN SALEM, MASSACHUSETTS, WE

MET SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO HAVE

ENCOUNTERED THIS UNEXPLAINED

PHENOMENON, TAKE A LOOK.

WE TRIED TO FIND GHOSTS

BY USING A DETECTOR.

AND EVERY TIME, WHEN WE GOT

CLOSE TO THE JAIL, IT WOULD

START TWEAKING.

WE BASICALLY RECORDED

EVERYTHING THAT NIGHT.

WE DECIDED TO LISTEN TO IT.

AND IT IT WAS SCREAMING,

SAYING -- IT WAS YELLING,

GET OUT.

GET AWAY.

I REMEMBER WALKING AND I

WAS PROBABLY ABOUT SIX YEARS

OLD.

AND I SEEN A SILHOUETTE OF A

MAN STANDING NEXT TO A TREE

IN A GRAVEYARD.

AND I SAID, DAD, DO YOU SEE

THIS?

HE DIDN'T SEE IT, BUT I

DID.

I ACTUALLY HAD SOMETHING

IN MY ROOM, KIND OF LIKE A

BLUISH LOOKING PICTURE.

IT WAS A FULL BODY

ABORITION.

MY DOOR USED TO OPEN AND

SLAM DURING THE NIGHT, AND

THERE WOULD BE ALL WINDOWS

CLOSED.

Gordon: JOINING US NOW

VIA SKYPE IS RON RHODES, THE

AUTHOR BEHIND "THE TRUTH,

GHOSTS, MEDIUMS".

WHY DO YOU THINK WE'RE SO, I

GUESS, FASCINATED WITH THE

PARANORMAL?

I THINK PEOPLE ARE

INTERESTED IN WHAT GOES ON

BEYOND DEATH'S DOOR.

WE'RE LIVING IN THE AGE OF

THE AGING OF AMERICA.

AND TODAY ABOUT A QUARTER OF

A MILLION PEOPLE DIE EACH

AND EVERY DAY ON PLANET

EARTH.

AND A LOT OF PEOPLE TODAY

THINK THAT CHRISTIANITY

MIGHT NOT BE AN INTERESTING

RELIGION WHEREAS SPIRITISM,

OR THIS IDEA OF CONTACTING

THE DEAD, IS VERY

INTERESTING.

AND THEY EVEN THINK BY

CONTACTING THE DEAD, WE CAN

GET ADVICE ON HOW TO LIVE

OUR LIVES, AND HOW TO INVEST

IN THE STOCK MARKET AND JUST

ALL KINDS OF STUFF.

AND SO IT HAS REALLY CAUGHT

ON.

NOT JUST AMONG ADULTS, BUT

EVEN AMONG OUR TEENAGERS

TODAY.

IN FACT, OVER 73% OF OUR

TEENAGERS TODAY CLAIM TO

HAVE BEEN ENGAGED IN PSYCHIC

PHENOMENA OVER THE PAST

YEAR.

Gordon: TELL US WHAT

REALLY IS HAPPENING WHEN

SOMEONE SAYS THEY HAVE SEEN

A GHOST OR THEY'RE

PARTICIPATING IN SOME KIND

OF SEANCE AND THEY HEAR A

VOICE OR SOMETHING LIKE

THAT.

WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON?

BY AND LARGE, PEOPLE WHO

ARE HEARING THESE SOUNDS AND

WITNESSING THESE ABORATIONS

HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE

OCCULT.

AND PEOPLE ARE TRAFFICKING

WITH DEMONS.

DEMONIC SPIRITS.

I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE

DEAD ARE AMONG US.

IN FACT, SCRIPTURE REVEALS

THAT THE WICKED DEAD ARE

BEING HELD IN A PLACE OF

PUNISHMENT FOR FUTURE

JUDGMENT.

WHEREAS THE RIGHTEOUS DEAD

GO DIRECTLY WITH CHRIST IN

HEAVEN.

SO I THINK FROM A SCRIPTURAL

STANDPOINT, THERE ARE

DEMONIC BEINGS.

IF YOU GET TOO CLOSE TO THE

FIRE, YOU WILL GET BURNED.

I THINK WHAT IS HAPPENED IS

RELATED TO 2 CORINTHIANS 14,

WHICH SAYS THAT SATAN CAN

MIMIC AN ANGEL OF LIGHT.

AND EVIL SPIRITS CAN

CERTAINLY MIMIC SPIRITS.

AND SATAN IS MORE THAN

WILLING TO HAVE HIS SPIRITS

COUNTERFEIT DEAD HUMANS.

Gordon: THE BIBLE TALKS

ABOUT FAMILIAR SPIRITS.

WHAT IS THE BIBLE DESCRIBING

THERE?

I THINK THE BIBLE IS

DESCRIBING A DEMONIC

SPIRIT.

VERY OFTEN IN OLD TESTAMENT

TIMES, PEOPLE WOULD CONSULT

WITH MEDIUMS AND

SPIRITISTS.

TODAY IN THE NEW-AGE

MOVEMENT THEY CALL THEM

CHANNEL LERS, BUT IT IS THE

SAME THING.

THE MEDIUM MAKES CONTACT

WITH THE SPIRIT.

THIS SPIRIT OFTEN SEEKS TO

PORTRAY ITSELF AS A DEAD

PERSON.

BUT BASED UPON SCRIPTURE, I

THINK THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE

DISAVOWED.

THERE MAY BE ONE VERSE THAT

SUPPORTS THE IDEA, AND THAT

IS THE MEDIUM OF ENDOR, AND

THAT'S THE CASE WHERE SAMUEL

APPARENTLY CAME BACK FROM

THE DEAD.

BUT THAT WAS A UNIQUE CASE.

YOU REALLY DON'T WANT TO

BUILD YOUR THEOLOGY ON A

UNIQUE CASE.

Gordon: EVEN WITH THAT

CASE, YOU HAVE SAMUEL SAYING

TO SAUL, IF GOD WON'T ANSWER

YOU, WHY DO YOU THINK I

WILL?

WHY ARE YOU COMING TO ME?

YOU REALLY NEED TO BE GOING

TO GOD FOR THESE ANSWERS.

THAT'S RIGHT.

AND THE INTERESTING THING

ABOUT THIS IS THAT THE

MEDIUM OF ENDOR SHRIEKED

WITH FEAR WHEN SAMUEL SHOWED

UP.

APPARENTLY SHE WASN'T

EXPECTING IT.

Gordon: SHE WASN'T

EXPECTING ANYTHING UNUSUAL

TO HAPPEN.

SHE WAS EXPECTING THE

USUAL.

WHY ARE THESE MEDIUMS SO

ACCURATE.

YOU SEE SOME OF THESE THINGS

ON TELEVISION, AND THE

ACCURACY IS A LITTLE

UNUSUAL.

WHY IS THAT?

I DON'T THINK THEY'RE

REAL ACCURATE.

I'VE EXAMINED VIRTUALLY

HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF

CASES.

JUST TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE,

JOHN EDWARDS IS ONE OF THE

PRIMARY PSYCHICS TODAY.

THEY HAVE TO TAPE ABOUT

EIGHT OR NINE HOURS IN ORDER

TO GET A HALF HOUR SHOW.

THEY HAVE TO SHIFT ALL OF

THEIR HITS FROM THE

MULTITUDE OF MISSES, IF I

MIGHT PUT IT THAT WAY.

VERY OFTEN THESE PSYCHICS

ARE EXCELLENT AT GUESSWORK.

IF THEY'RE IN A STUDIO

AUDIENCE, THEY MIGHT ASK IF

THERE IS SOMEBODY PRESENT

WITH A GRANDMOTHER WITH THE

NAME BEGINNING WITH "R" OR

"S" OR "T", AND THERE IS

BOUND TO BE SOMEONE THERE

WITH A GRANDMOTHER WITH ONE

OF THOSE NAMES.

BUT IN OTHER CASES, I

BELIEVE THERE ARE MEDIUMS

THAT ARE IN CONTACT WITH

DEMONIC BEINGS.

I'VE WATCHED THEM DO THEIR

THING.

I BELIEVE I HAVE ACTUALLY

WITNESSED DEMON POSSESSION

IN SOME CASES.

SO THERE IS SOMETHING SUPER

NATURAL GOING ON.

Gordon: WHAT ARE SOME

OF THE COMMON

MISCONCEPTIONS.

YOU SEE THESE TELEVISION

SHOWS, LIKE -- YOU'VE GOT

PEOPLE PURSUING GHOSTS AND

HAUNTED HOUSES.

AND YOU'VE GOT, IN THE

MOVIES, REPRESENTATIONS OF

THE PARANORMAL.

WHAT ARE SOME OF THE COMMON

MISCONCEPTIONS FOUND IN

THESE SHOWS?

ONE OF THE MISCON

MISCONCEPTIONS IS PSYCHIC

NON NOM IS A -- PHENOMENON

IS A CHRISTIAN PHENOMENON.

SYLVIA BROWN WILL SAY SHE

HAS THE GIFT OF THE HOLY

SPIRIT THAT ENABLES HER TO

GET IN CONTACT WITH THE

DEAD, AND SHE'LL ALSO WARN

YOU AGAINST OCCULTISM.

WATCH OUT FOR THE BAD GUYS

WHO ARE INVOLVED IN THE

OCCULTISM, BUT SHE HAS THE

GIFT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.

THIS HAS GIVEN RISE TO A NEW

MOVEMENT CALLED CHRISTIAN

PSYCHICS.

YOU MILITANT EVEN SEE AN AD

IN YOUR LOCAL NEWSPAPER,

SAYING CALL ME, I'M A

CHRISTIAN PSYCHIC WITH A

CHRISTIAN CONTACT AND I'LL

GET IN CONTACT WITH YOUR

DEAD LOVED ONE.

LET'S JUST BE REAL CLEAR

THAT ALL OCCULTISM IS

FORBIDDEN BY GOD.

ALL PSYCHIC PHENOMENON IS

FORBID BY GOD, EVEN IF YOU

CALL IT CHRISTIAN.

Gordon: IS THAT WHAT

PROMPTED YOU TO WRITE THE

BOOK, TO ISSUE A WARNING?

AND IF SEE, FOR CHRISTIANS,

HOW CAN THEY DISCERN BETWEEN

THE GIFTS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT

AND WHAT THESE PSYCHICS ARE

DOING?

I THINK WHAT THE PSYCHICS

ARE DOING IS TO PROVIDE

FORBIDDEN KNOWLEDGE, SECRET

KNOWLEDGE IN REGARD TO THE

FUTURE, IN REGARD TO THEIR

LOVED ONES, AND TO ENABLE

CONTACT WITH THE DEAD.

HERE IS ONE GOOD POLICY TO

FOLLOW.

ACTS 17, WE FIND THE BORIANS

TESTING ALL THINGS AGAINST

SCRIPTURE.

WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IS

FOLLOW THAT POLICY.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU HAVE

SOMEBODY WHO CLAIMS TO BE A

CHRISTIAN PSYCHIC, BY

CONSULTING SCRIPTURE, YOU

CAN SEE THAT ALL PSYCHICS

ARE OUT OF BOUNDS FROM A

BIBLICAL PERSPECTIVE, AND

YOU SHOULD NOT FOLLOW THEM.

AS WELL, DEUTERONOMY 13 HAS

A GREAT PASSAGE.

IN THAT PASSAGE, IT TALKS

ABOUT HOW EVEN IF A MEDIUM

OR A PSYCHIC IS ACCURATE

WITH THEIR PREDICTION, BUT

THEY SAY SOMETHING WITH

FALSE DOCTRINE, LIKE THEY

TEACH A DIFFERENT JESUS OR A

DIFFERENT CONCEPT OF GOD,

LIKE BELIEF IN THE IDEA THAT

EVERYTHING IS GOD, EVEN IF

THEY TEACH -- IN OTHER

WORDS, IF THEY SAY SOMETHING

THAT IS ACCURATE THAT COMES

TRUE, BUT THEY TEACH A FALSE

DOCTRINE, THE BIBLE SAYS TO

COMPLETELY IGNORE THEM AND

DO NOT FOLLOW THEM.

I GUESS BOTTOM LINE IS TEST

ALL THINGS AGAINST

SCRIPTURE, 1 THESSALONIANS

5-21: SAYS TO TEST ALL

THINGS AND HOLD ON ONLY TO

THE GOOD.

Gordon: HIS BOOK,

"GHOSTS, MEDIUMS, AND

PSYCHIC PHENOMENONS" THANK

YOU FOR WRITING THE BOOK.

UP NEXT, THEY TRIED EVERYTHING TO

CURE THEIR BLINDNESS, EVEN

BLACK MAGIC.

FIND OUT WHAT FINALLY GAVE

THEM THEIR SIGHT, RIGHT

AFTER THIS.

Gordon: IN A REMOTE

PART OF INDIA, A MOTHER AND

HER DAUGHTER BOTH SUFFERED

FROM BLINDING CATARACTS.

THEY HAD HAD NEVER EVEN

HEARD OF A MEDICAL DOCTOR

UNTIL A PASTOR TOLD THEM

ABOUT "OPERATION BLESSING."

Reporter: THE MOUNTAINS

OF NORTHWEST INDIA ARE

MAJESTIC, BUT CAMALA AND HER

10-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER, MANJU,

WERE UNABLE TO SEE THEM.

THEY WERE BOTH BORN WITH

SEVERE CATARACTS.

WHEN PEOPLE CALLED ME

BLIND, I WOULD GET OFFENDED

AND BE VERY ANGRY.

BUT I FELT EVEN SADDER WHEN

MY DAUGHTER WAS BORN BLIND.

I CAN SEE THINGS THAT ARE

VERY CLOSE TO ME, BUT I

CAN'T SEE ANYTHING ELSE.

Reporter: MANJU'S

FATHER, HANSI, WAS VERY

WORRIED ABOUT HIS DAUGHTER'S

FUTURE.

I WANTED TO SEND MY

DAUGHTER TO SCHOOL, BUT

WHAT'S THE USE?

SHE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO

READ, AND SHE COULD GET HURT

WHILE WALKING BACK AND FORTH

FROM SCHOOL.

Reporter: THEIR FAMILY

WAS CUT OFF FROM THE OUTSIDE

WORLD.

THEY HAD NEVER EVEN HEARD OF

A MEDICAL DOCTOR.

ALL THEY KNEW WERE THERE

VILLAGE PRACTICES, A MIXTURE

OF HINDUISM AND BLACK

MAGIC.

THE WITCH DOCTORS WOULD

EXPECT A LOT OF THINGS FROM

US.

WE HAD TO GIVE THEM OUR

CHICKENS AND OUR FOOD, BUT

WE DIDN'T SEE ANY

DIFFERENCE.

Reporter: THE BITTER

EXPERIENCE WITH THE WITCH

DOCTORS LEFT HANSI VERY

SKEPTICAL OF EVER GETTING

HELP.

SO WHEN A LOCAL PASTOR TOLD

THEM THAT "OPERATION

BLESSING" WANTED TO GIVE

THEM FREE CATARACT

SURGERIES, HANSI REFUSED.

I WAS WORRIED THEY WOULD

BECOME COMPLETELY BLIND AND

WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO

ANYTHING.

Reporter: EVEN THOUGH

THEY WERE NERVOUS, CAMALA

AND MANJU DECIDED IT WAS

WORTH THE RISK.

THE DOCTORS KNEW THAT BOTH

OPERATIONS WEREN'T GOING TO

BE ROUTINE.

CAMALA'S CATARACTS WERE

DEEPLY ROOTED, AND MANJU'S

WERE DEEPLY INTERTWINED WITH

NERVES.

AFTER THE BANDAGES WERE

REMOVED, IT WAS CLEAR THAT

CAMALA'S SURGERY WAS A

SUCCESS.

THE FIRST THING SHE WANTED

TO DO WAS SEE HER DAUGHTER.

AS MANJU FIRST WOKE U UP

AND OPENED HER EYES, CAMALA

KNEW SHE WAS GOING TO BE

OKAY.

NOW MANJU CAN GO TO

SCHOOL AND HAVE A BRIGHT

FUTURE.

I CAN ALREADY READ A

LITTLE BIT.

AND I CAN GO TO THE SHOP ON

MY OWN, DRAW WATER FROM THE

WELL AND DO ALL OF THE OTHER

CHORES.

I CAN BUY AND COOK US

FOOD.

I CAN VISIT MY RELATIVES

WITHOUT ANYONE'S HELP.

I CAN DO EVERYTHING MYSELF.

I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR

PAYING FOR THE SURGERIES.

YOU DIDN'T EXPECT ANYTHING

FROM US, LIKE THE WITCH

DOCTORS.

PEOPLE ARE AMAZED AT THIS

MIRACLE AND YOUR KINDNESS.

IT IS REALLY A TIME OF GREAT

HAPPINESS.

Gordon: THANK YOU IF

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WELL, UP NEXT, A FAMILY'S

DREAM HOUSE QUICKLY TURNED

INTO A LIVING NIGHTMARE.

YOU DON'T WANT TO MISS THIS.

Gordon: WHEN VENE AND

JENNIFER MOVED INTO THEIR

HOME, THEY WERE TOLL THE

PREVIOUS TENANTS LEFT

BECAUSE OF THE HOUSE.

THEY COULDN'T UNDERSTAND

WHY, BUT SOON THEY FOUND

OUT.

AT FIRST EVERYTHING WAS

NORMAL.

THE HOUSE APPEARED NORMAL.

THERE REALLY WAS NOTHING

UNUSUAL.

Reporter: 521 WAS THE

NEW HOME OF THE MOE FAMILY.

DEAN AND JENNIFER MOVED

THEIR NINE CHILDREN ACROSS

THE STATE OF OREGON TO

PASTOR A CHURCH.

AS TIME WENT ON, AFTER

THE FIRST COUPLE OF WEEKS,

OUR CHILDREN STARTED COMING

TO ME, ASKING ME WHAT I

WANTED.

THEY'D ASK ME, WHY DID YOU

CALL ME, MOM.

WHY DID YOU KEEP CALLING MY

NAME.

AND IT WOULDN'T BE ME THAT

HAD CALLED THEM TO ME.

I WOULD GET TOLD TO DO

STUFF.

LIKE THEY ASKED FOR ICE

WATER, AND I WENT AND GAVE

HER ICE WATER AND SHE SAID

THANK, BUT SHE DIDN'T ASK

FOR IT.

Reporter: DEAN TRIED TO

PROTECT HIS FAMILY FROM WHAT

HE THOUGHT WAS A PHYSICAL

BEING.

AS TIME WENT ON, I WOULD

BE LAYING IN BED AND I WOULD

HEAR WHAT SOUNDED LIKE

SOMEBODY COMING UP FROM THE

BASEMENT, WHEN WE DIDN'T

HAVE ANYBODY DOWNSTAIRS.

I WAS CONCERNED, FIRST OF

ALL, WE MIGHT HAVE HAD AN

INTRUDER IN THE HOUSE.

I WOULD JUMP OUT OF BED AND

OPEN THE DOOR OF THE

BASEMENT AND THERE WOULDN'T

BE ANYBODY THERE.

Reporter: 14-YEAR-OLD

CHARLES FELT LIKE HE WAS

BEING WATCHED WHEN HE WENT

DOWN TO THE BASEMENT.

I WAS PUTTING A BOX OF

CHRISTMAS STUFF INSIDE

THERE, AND THE DOOR SLAMMED

AND I WAS TRYING TO GET

OUT.

I COULDN'T GET OUT.

IT WAS SHUT.

IT WOULDN'T OPEN.

IT FELT LIKE IT WAS LOCKED.

AT THAT POINT, I KNEW --

I KNEW THAT IT WAS A DEMON

PRESENCE IN OUR HOUSE.

NONE OF OUR KIDS WOULD GO

DOWNSTAIRS WITHOUT HAVING

THE UPSTAIRS DOOR OPEN AND

YOU HAD TO STAND THERE AT

THAT DOORWAY AND WATCH FOR

THEM AND WAIT SO THAT THEY

COULD SHOUT IF THEY NEEDED

YOU TO COME DOWNSTAIRS.

THEY WOULD SLEEP IN OUR ROOM

ON THE FLOOR OR ON THE

LIVING ROOM FLOOR.

THEY WOULDN'T EVEN GO INTO

BEDROOMS AND SLEEP.

THEY WANTED TO BE THAT CLOSE

TO MOM AND DAD.

Reporter: EVENTUALLY

JENNIFER COULDN'T SLEEP AT

NIGHT, EITHER.

I WOULD BE ASLEEP, AND

USUALLY THERE WOULD BE A

FLASH OF LIGHT THAT WOULD

FLASH INTO MY FACE.

AND THAT WOULD WAKE ME UP.

AND THERE WOULD EITHER BE

SOMEBODY'S FACE IN MY FACE

OR SOMEBODY'S FEET AT THE

BED OR SOMEBODY IN THE HALL

THAT I COULD SEE OR MUSIC,

JUST STRANGE MUSIC THAT

WOULD PLAY IN THE MIDDLE OF

THE NIGHT.

Reporter: DEAN AND

JENNIFER FASTED AND PRAYED

OVER THIS SUPER NATURAL

ACTIVITY IN THEIR HOME FOR

ALMOST A YEAR.

WHEN JENNIFER HIT HER

BREAKING POINT.

I WAS WATCHING "THE 700

CLUB," I DO IT MOST DAYS, I

PUT IT ON AS I CLEAN MY

ROOM, AND THAT'S WHEN PAT

ROBERTSON HAD A WORD OF

KNOWLEDGE ABOUT IT.

Pat: THERE IS SOMEBODY

BEING TORMENTED BY DEMONIC

SPIRITS.

YOUR TORMENTED.

YOU CAN'T SLEEP AND YOU

CAN'T GET FREE.

AND YOU LITERALLY FEEL LIKE

YOU'RE GOING OUT OF YOUR

MIND.

IN THE NAME OF JESUS, WE

BIND THAT SPIRIT OF TORMENT

AND WE CAST IT FORTH IN

JESUS' NAME.

BE FREE!

FROM THIS MOMENT ON.

I CLAIMED THAT AT THAT

POINT FOR OUR FAMILY.

IT LEFT THAT DAY.

IT WAS ALMOST LIKE A TEMPER

TANTUM IT HAD ON THE WAY

OUT.

IT IS ALL GONE.

DEFINITELY A HOUSE SET

FREE.

WHEN I CAME HOME,

EVERYBODY WAS MORE RELAXED.

THE CHILDREN WERE JUST MORE

PLAYFUL.

JUST EVERYTHING IN THE HOUSE

FELT SO MUCH BETTER, AND

JUST THAT TENSION HAD BEEN

RELEASED.

IT REITERATES OVER AND

OVER AGAIN THE POWER OF OUR

GOD COMPARED TO SATAN.

REGARDLESS OF ANYTHING THAT

HE TRIES OR ANYTHING HE

DOES, SATAN IS DEFINITELY A

SUBJECT TO OUR GOD.

IT'S ABSOLUTELY A TRUE

STATEMENT.

Gordon: IT IS TRUE.

THE AMAZING TRUTH WE HAVE AS

BELIEVERS IS WE HAVE

AUTHORITY.

AND WE HAVE AUTHORITY OVER

ALL OF THE WORKS OF THE

ENEMY.

WE CAN TAKE AUTHORITY OVER

IT.

THAT IS GIVEN TO US AS

BELIEVERS IN JESUS CHRIST.

AS HE WAS EN THE WORLD, SO

ARE WE.

AND JESUS WOULD CAST OUT

DEMONS.

HE DID IT REPEATEDLY IN ALL

FOUR OF THE GOSPELS.

YOU HAVE THE ACCOUNTS OF HIM

CASTING OUT DEMONS.

SO TAKE THE AUTHORITY THAT

YOU HAVE AS A BELIEVER, AND

IF THERE ARE THINGS AROUND

YOU THAT YOU'RE GOING, I

DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS.

YOU DON'T NEED TO UNDERSTAND

IT.

JUST TAKE AUTHORITY OVER IT

AND TELL IT TO LEAVE AND

COMMAND IT TO DO THAT IN

JESUS' NAME.

AND THEY WILL.

THEY DON'T HAVE AN OPTION

HERE.

THEY HAVE TO RESPOND TO YOUR

AUTHORITY.

WELL, WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF

QUESTIONS ON THE

PARANORMAL.

LET'S GO OVER TO OUR

CHATROOM.

JOSEPH?

WE HAVE CASSIE, AND SHE

IS ASKING, "HOW DOES SOME

ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE FIT

INTO SOME OF THESE OCCULT

STUFF?"

Gordon: SOMETIMES IT

CAN AND SOMETIMES IT CAN'T.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE HINDDU

SIDE OF THINGS, THERE ARE

CERTAIN MEDITATIVE

TECHNIQUES THAT HAVE CERTAIN

SANDSCRIPTS THAT ARE TRYING

TO CALL UPON ALL GODS.

IF THAT IS INVOLVED,

ABSOLUTELY YOU'RE ENGAGING

IN IDOLOTRY, AND YOU'RE NOT

GOING TO GET ANY HEALING

FROM IT.

AT THE SAME TIME, THERE ARE

THINGS THAT ARE SORT OF

NATURAL IN THE ENVIRONMENT

THAT ARE HEALTHFUL.

LOOK AT SOMETHING AS BASIC

ASSAD PRIN. ASSAD-- AS ASPIRIN.

THAT CAME FROM WILLOW BARK.

THERE ARE WAYS THAT

MEDICINES ARE FOUND IN

NATURE.

YOU RESEARCH THE HISTORY OF

THE AVERAGE MEDICATION THAT

IS ALREADY IN YOUR MEDICINE

CABINET, AND YOU'LL FIND

THAT THERE WAS AN ORGANIC

COMPOUND AT THE BEGINNING OF

THAT.

SO SOMETIMES ALTERNATIVE

MEDICINE IS JUST TRYING TO

AWAKEN US THAT THERE ARE

NATURAL HEALING PROPERTIES

IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT

PLANTS.

AND THAT PART OF IT IS

CERTAINLY NOT PSYCHIC OR

PARANORMAL, BUT ANYTHING

THAT INVOLVES MEDITATING ON

OTHER GODS OR TRYING TO GET

IN TOUCH WITH YOUR INNER

GOD, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS

AVOID.

MICHELLE HAS GOT THE NEXT

QUESTION.

SEVERAL PEOPLE IN THE

CHATROOM WANT TO KNOW ABOUT

THIS QUESTION, GORDON, "DO

MEDIUM PSYCHICS BELIEVE THEY

CAN CONTROL THESE SPIRITS?"

Gordon: I THINK SOME

ACTUALLY DO.

THEY THINK THAT THEY'RE IN

CONTROL, AND THE REALITY IS

THEY'RE NOT.

AND THEY'RE WALKING DOWN A

PATH THAT ULTIMATELY LEADS

TO POSSESSION.

AND SO IT'S SORT OF THE OLD

ADAGE FROM ALCOHOLICS

ANONYMOUS, YOU START

DRINKING AND THEN THE DRINK

DRINKS YOU.

IT'S THE SAME THING.

YOU THINK YOU'RE IN CONTROL,

AND YOU'RE NOT.

SO ANYBODY THAT THINKS YOU

CAN DABBLE IN THIS AND COME

AWAY WITH NO QONS

CONSEQUENCES, YOU'RE WRONG.

LET'S TAKE SOME PHONE

CALLS.

HERE IS LINDA FROM

DELAWARE.

Caller: THANKS FOR

TAKING MY CALL.

Gordon: MY PLEASURE.

Caller: CAN YOU HEAR

ME?

Gordon: I CAN HERE

YOU.

Caller: I'VE BEEN

DIAGNOSED WITH ATRIAL

FIBULATION.

I KNOW YOUR FATHER HAD

THAT.

I CONTACTED THE HOSPITAL

WHERE HE WENT.

HERE I'M IN DELAWARE, I'M A

SINGLE GIRL.

I WOULDN'T DARE DRIVE DOWN

THERE BY MYSELF.

I'VE HAD IT FOR SIX YEARS,

AND MY DOCTOR, WHO I'VE HAD

FOR FOUR YEARS, THIS DOCTOR

THAT KNOWS ABOUT MY A-FIB,

HE WAS JUST TREATING WITH MY

SECONIDE, A HEART RHYTHM

PILL, AND BLOOD PRESSURE

PILL, WHICH I HAVE LOW

ANYWAY.

I CAN'T FIGURE THAT OUT.

HE SAYS YOU'RE DOING OKAY.

AND I'M GETTING MORE AND

MORE AND MORE, AND SO A

MONTH AGO, I SAID HOW ABOUT

IF I WEAR A HEART MONITOR

MACHINE.

YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW BAD

THESE ARE.

AND I SAID MY POOR HEART

CAN'T -- I'M 66 YEARS OLD,

AND I SAID, MY POOR HEART

CAN'T CONTINUE LIKE THIS.

I WORE THE HEART MONITOR AND

LO AND BEHOLD, THEY CALLED

ME BEFORE MY TIME IS UP, AND

HE SAID, OH, MY HEAVENS, YOU

HAVE TO BE ON THAT NEW BLOOD

THINNER CALLED PERDAXA, AND

I SAID NO, NO, NO, I'M

SCARED TO DEATH TO BE ON

BLOOD THINNERS.

Gordon: LET'S JUST PRAY

FOR YOU.

LAY YOUR HAND OVER YOUR

HEART AND LET'S JUST BELIEVE

GOD.

Caller: I AM.

Gordon: LORD, WE SPEAK

PEACE TO LINDA'S HEART, AND

WE LIFT HER ALL THE WAY TO

YOUR THRONE OF GRACE.

WE COME BOLDLY AND WE ASK

FOR LINDA'S HEART.

WE ASK FOR HER ACID REFLUX

AS WELL.

WE ASK FOR EVERYTHING

CONCERNING HER HEALTH, AND

WE JUST SPEAK PEACE TO HER

NOW.

AND LET THIS ARRHYTHMIA BE

STILL NOW IN JESUS' NAME.

AND ALL THE ELECTRICAL

SIGNALS TO THE HEART BE

NORMAL AND BE HEALED NOW.

WE SPEAK TO ALL OF HER

VALVES, THAT THEY WOULD BE

NORMAL, AND NO FLUTTERING

AND NO A-FIB.

AND EVERYTHING BE HEALED

NOW.

Caller: JESUS, HELP ME,

LORD.

Gordon: AND WE JUST

BREAK OFF OF HER ANY FEAR,

ANY FEAR OF STROKE, ANY FEAR

OF BLOOD LOSS --

Caller: SURGERY.

Gordon: AND ANY FEAR OF

SURGERY.

WE BREAK IT OFF OF HER RIGHT

NOW.

AND WE SPEAK OVER HER THE

PEACE THAT PASSES ALL

UNDERSTANDING.

SO, LORD, WE CAST ALL OF

THESE CARES UPON YOU.

AND NO MORE ANXIETY, BUT

JUST RIGHTEOUSNESS, PEACE

AND JOY IN THE HOLY SPIRIT.

BE WITH HER NOW, FOR WE ASK

IT IN JESUS' NAME.

AMEN.

Caller: OH, AMEN.

GORDON, I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE

THIS TOMORROW MORNING.

Gordon: IT WILL BE ON

TOMORROW.

Caller: I GET TO SEE

YOU GUYS, ALL OF YOU,

11 A.M. HERE AND THEN 3:00

IN THE AFTERNOON.

I JUMP FROM WHEREVER I AM

JUST TO COME HOME TO SEE IT

ALL OVER AGAIN.

Gordon: THIS WILL BE ON

9:30 IN THE MORNING ON ABC

FAMILY.

AND THEN I GET YOU ON AT

3:00 AND THE AFTERNOON.

OKAY.

THANK YOU, GARD.

YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE

LITERATURE YOU SEND ME, I'M

GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE SOME

RESERVATIONS TO COME DOWN

THERE AND STAY IN A HELT.

I WISH YOU HAD A SINGLES

GROUP THAT THEY CAN ALL GET

TOGETHER AND MEET AND COME

INTO THE SHOW.

OH, BOY, I DON'T KNOW HOW

YOU WOULD DO THAT, BUT IT

WOULD BE WONDERFUL FOR US

SINGLE LADIES.

Gordon: I DON'T KNOW --

MICHELLE IS LAUGHING AT ME.

MAYBE WE CAN GET A SINGLES

GROUP GOING AND MICHELLE CAN

HEAD IT UP.

IF YOU WANT TO STAY AT A

NICE HOTEL, THE FOUNDER'S

INN, RIGHT NEXT DOOR.

Caller: THANK YOU,

GORDON.

Gordon: GOD BLESS YOU.

Caller: GOD BLESS YOU

YOU, TOO, TELL YOUR DADDY I

SAID HI.

BYE-BYE.

Gordon: THAT'S ALL OF

THE TIME WE HAVE FOR THIS

PROGRAMME.

WE LEAVE YOU WITH THIS WORD

FROM PSALM 72: "BLESS HIS

GLORIOUS NAME FOREVER.

LET THE WHOLE EARTH BE

FILLED WITH THIS GLORY."

GOD BLESS YOU.

WE'LL SEE YOU AGAIN.