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What America Would Look Like under Obamacare

In the book The Battle for America's Soul, Dr. C.L. Gray paints an ominous picture of life under government-mandated health care, especially for the elderly and those with life-threatening illnesses. Read Transcript


Pat: WELL, TWO YEARS

HAVE PASSED SINCE THE

PRESIDENT SIGNED HIS HEALTH

CARE BILL INTO LAW.

BUT OBAMACARE IS JUST

BEGINNING TO HAVE EFFECT.

AS MARK MARTIN REPORTS, MOST

AMERICANS HAVE NOT THE

SLIGHTEST CLUE AS TO WHAT

IMPACT THAT LAW WILL HAVE IN

THEIR LIVES.

AND THAT INCLUDES MEMBERS OF

CONGRESS WHO NOT ONLY VOTED

FOR IT, THEY DIDN'T READ

IT.

Reporter: IT IS KNOWN

AS OBAMACARE, AND THE

PATIENT PROTECTION AND

AFFORDABLE CARE ACT HAS BEEN

CONTROVERSIAL SINCE IT WAS

DRAFTED IN 2009 AND SIGNED

INTO LAW A YEAR LATER.

IT GIVES THE GOVERNMENT

CONTROL OVER ONE-SIXTH OF

THE U.S. ECONOMY, AND IS

MORE THAN 2700 PAGES LONG.

MOST LAWMAKERS WHO VOTED FOR

THE BILL ADMITTED THEY

HADN'T EVEN READ IT.

EVEN ITS MOST ARDENT

SUPPORTER, THEN SPEAKER OF

THE HOUSE, NANCY PELOSI.

WE HAVE TO PASS THE BILL

SO THAT YOU CAN FIND OUT

WHAT IS IN IT.

Reporter: ONE MAN WHO

HAS STUDIED THE LAW IN

DETAIL IS DR. C.L. GREY.

IN HIS BOOK "THE BATTLE FOR@ú

AMERICA'S SOUL," HE PAINTS

AN OMINOUS PICTURE OF LIFE

IN AMERICA UNDER

GOVERNMENT-MANDATED HEALTH

CARE, ESPECIALLY FOR THE

ELDERLY AND THOSE WITH

LIFE-THREATENING ILLNESSES.

Pat: JOINING US TO TALK

ABOUT THIS CONCEPT FOR

PATIENT-CENTERED CARE IS

DR. C.L. GREY.

HE IS THE PRESIDENT AND

FOUNDER OF AN ORGANIZATION

CALLED "PHYSICIANS FOR

REFORM."

HE HAS WRITTEN A BOOK CALLED

"THE BATTLE FOR AMERICA'S

SOUL."

IT IS VERY FAR-REACHING AS

TO THE CONCEPTS OF THE TWO

CLASHES IN OUR SOCIETY.

DR. GREY, THANK YOU FOR

BEING WITH US.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR

HAVING ME, PAT.

Pat: BEFORE WE GET INTO

THE HEALTH CARE STUFF, WHAT

ARE THE BASIC CONCEPTS THAT

ARE CLASHING IN OUR SOCIETY?

I REALLY GOT STARTED

ABOUT THIS BECAUSE MY CARE

AND CONCERN FOR THE

PATIENT.

BECAUSE HEALTH CARE IS VERY

PERSONAL.

IT AFFECTS DEMOCRATS,

INDEPENDENTS, AND

REPUBLICANS.

WHAT PEOPLE NEED TO

UNDERSTAND IS THE FORCES

BEHIND WHAT IS HAPPENING.

AND THERE IS REALLY THE

JUDAEO CHRISTIAN WORLD VIEW,

WHICH, OF COURSE, YOU

UNDERSTAND EXTREMELY WELL.

AT THE BASIS OF THAT, THERE

IS THE CONCEPT OF TRUTH AND

THE CONCEPT OF THE

INDIVIDUAL.

AS OPPOSED TO THAT, WE HAVE

WHAT I CALL THE POST-MODERN

WORLD VIEW.

AND THE POST-MODERN WORLD

VIEW SETS ASIDE THE CONCEPT

OF TRUTH AND SETS ASIDE THE

INTRINSIC DIGNITY OF THE

HUMAN.

BECAUSE THERE IS NO GOD.

WHEN YOU SET ASIDE THE

CONCEPT OF THE GOD, YOU SET

ASIDE THE CONCEPT OF THE

INTRINSIC WORTH OF THE

INDIVIDUAL.

Pat: WHAT IS THE

SUBSTITUTE?

WELL, THERE IS NO

SUBSTITUTE.

I GUESS THERE IS A, I GUESS,

REPLACEMENT.

THAT'S WHEN YOU REMOVE GOD

FROM THE PICTURE.

THAT TAKES EFFECT AND HAS A

SEVERE IMPACT ON HEALTH CARE

BECAUSE OF HOW THESE WORLD

VIEWS VIEW THE PATIENT.

Pat: ALL RIGHT.

GIVE ME SPECIFICS THAT WE

CAN GET DRILLED DOWN ON TO

WHAT ONE WOULD -- ONE WOULD

BE AFFECTED.

PERHAPS A STORY.

THE STORY OF BARBARA WAGNER

WOULD BE MOST HELPFUL.

BARBARA WAS A 64-YEAR-OLD

GAL IN OREGON AND SHE DIDN'T

HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE AND

ENDED UP ON A STATE-RUN

PROGRAM.

SHE HAD RECURRENT LUNG

CANCER, AND SHE WENT TO HER

ONCOLOGIST AND HE

RECOMMENDED TREATMENT WITH A

NEW CHEMOTHERAPY.

SHE WENT TO GET THE

CHEMOTHERAPY, BUT SHE

COULDN'T GET THE MEDICINE.

SHE GOT A LETTER FROM THE

STATE OF OREGON SAYING THEY

WOULD NOT PAY FOR

CHEMOTHERAPY, BUT THEY WOULD

PAY FOR HOSPICE ARE

PHYSICIAN-ASSISTED SUICIDE.

Pat: IN OREGON, THEY

SAID WE'LL HELP YOU KILL

YOURSELF.

IN A LETTER.

Pat: IN A LETTER?

SOMEBODY SIGNED IT?

ABSOLUTELY.

SHE APPEALED IT TWICE, AND

GOT DENIED TWICE.

THERE IS AN AMAZING VIDEO

WHERE SHE IS SITTING, LOOKS

LIKE IN HER KITCHEN, READY

TO GO WALK HER DOG AND MAKE

COOKIES.

GOVERNMENT COMPASSION SOUNDS

SO NOBLE, BUT IN THE END,

WHOEVER PAYS HOLDS THE POWER

TO CHOICE.

Pat: THE AUDIENCE MUST

BE ABSOLUTELY HORRIFIED AT

THIS.

A GOVERNMENT AGENT TELLS

THIS 64-YEAR-OLD LADY WHO

LIKES TO BAKE COOKIES.

YOU'VE GOT CANCER.

WE CAN'T AFFORD TO GIVE YOU

UP TO DATE TREATMENT, BUT

WE'LL GIVE YOU ENOUGH MONEY

TO GET YOURSELF KILLED.

WOW!

THAT'S LIKE THE NAZIS.

THEY HAD REPLACED HER

CHANCE TO LIVE WITH A CHOICE

OF HOW TO DIE.

BECAUSE THEY HAD RUN OUT OF

MONEY.

AND I DEAL WITH THIS IN THE

BOOK.

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU TRUST

GOVERNMENT -- GOVERNMENT

COMPASSION SOUNDS NOBLE.

WE'RE ONE OF THE MOST

COMPASSIONATE NATIONS ON

EARTH.

WE ALL WANT OUR FELLOW

AMERICAN TO HAVE ACCESS TO

CARE.

BUT THE GOVERNMENT HAS

LIMITED RESOURCES.

AND WE'RE $16 TRILLION IN

DEBT.

AND I GO THROUGH AND I

COMPLAIN HOW THIS

POST-MODERN WORLD VIEW

STARTS TO REVALUE THE

INDIVIDUAL.

ESPECIALLY INFANTS BORN WITH

DISABILITIES, AND SENIORS

ARE GIVEN INTRINSICALLY LESS

WORTH THAN THOSE THAT

ARE, QUOTE,"PRODUCTIVE" TO

SOCIETY.

Pat: SO THESE ARE

USELESS EATERS UNDER THE

POST-MODERN --

SOMETIMES THEY USE THE

PHRASE "LIVES THAT ARE NOT

WORTH LIVING."

IT COMES BACK FROM BACK IN

THE NAZI ERA.

Pat: LET'S GO TO

OBAMACARE.

THAT HAS BEEN FOUGHT OVER.

AND NANCY PELOSI SAYS WE

HAVE TO PASS THE BILL SO WE

CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT'S IN

IT.

THAT IS ONE OF THE MOST

INSANE STATEMENTS BY A

SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE.

LET'S PASS IT SO WERE CAN

UNDERSTAND WHAT IT WILL DO.

YOU'RE A DOCTOR.

HOW WILL IT AFFECT YOUR

RELATIONSHIP WITH YOUR

PATIENTS OF WHAT YOU CAN AND

CAN'T DO.

IT FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGES

THE PATIENT-PHYSICIAN

RELATIONSHIP.

THAT'S THE FUNDAMENTAL

CHANGE.

IT WAS PREDICTABLE.

I WROTE ABOUT IT BEFORE IT

HAPPENED.

WHEN THE PHYSICIAN BECOMES

AN EMPLOYEE OF THE STATE,

NOW THEY HAVE A FINANCIAL

INTEREST TO LOOK OUT FOR THE

FINANCIAL INTEREST OF THE

STATE, NOT THE WELL-BEING OF

THE INDIVIDUAL CITIZEN.

THAT'S REFLECTED IN THE

STORY OF BARBARA WAGNER.

Pat: SO THE MOST COSTLY

TREATMENT IS SOMETHING THAT

YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T

PRESCRIBE BECAUSE IT WILL

COST THE STATE MONEY AND

YOU'LL LOSE MONEY IT.

THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE

WAY IT WILL BE SET UP.

THE PHYSICIANS WON'T BE

REIMBURSED TO OFFER THE

TREATMENTS THAT ARE MORE

EXPENSIVE.

THIS FALLS MOSTLY TO

SENIORS.

Pat: WILL THIS DIMINISH

THE NUMBER OF PHYSICIANS

AVAILABLE?

ABSOLUTELY.

THERE IS A RECENT SURVEY

THAT SUGGESTS THAT 43% OF

PHYSICIANS ARE LOOKING TO

LEAVE MEDICINE BECAUSE OF

THIS LEGISLATION.

Pat: WHY WOULD THEY

LEAVE?

BECAUSE IT FUNDAMENTALLY

CHANGES HOW WE THINK, HOW WE

PRACTICE.

THERE IS FAR MORE CONCERN

ABOUT DO WE CHECK THE RIGHT

BOXES.

IS THE CHART PERFECT.

THAT'S THE CONCERN OF THE

CURRENT SYSTEM THAT WE'RE

MOVING INTO.

IF YOU MISS ANYTHING,

PHYSICIANS CAN BE SEVERELY,

SEVERELY PUNISHED.

Pat: GIVE ME AN

EXAMPLE.

THERE IS THE RECOVERY ON

A CONTRACTOR.

WHERE THE INDEPENDENT

CONTRACTORS GO IN AND GO

THROUGH PHYSICIAN RECORDS,

MOSTLY FOR PATIENTS ON

MEDICARE.

IF THERE IS ANY

DOCUMENTATION ERROR, THAT

PHYSICIAN HAS TO ESSENTIALLY

PAY THAT MONEY BACK.

AND SOMETIMES THAT CAN

AMOUNT TO HUNDREDS OF

THOUSANDS TO MILLIONS OF

DOLLARS, PUTTING PHYSICIANS

OUT OF BUSINESS.

Pat: AND NO INSURANCE

FOR THAT.

YOU CAN'T ENSURE AGAINST

THAT?

NO.

NO.

AND ACTUALLY IT GETS WORSE

THAN THAT.

WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO

EXPLAIN.

Pat: MY SHOCK LEVEL IS

GOING UP.

I'VE GOT TIME TO GET SHOCKED

SOME MORE.

WHAT?

OKAY.

LET'S GO TO A SLIGHTLY

DIFFERENT PIECE.

I TALKED ABOUT THE YOUNG AND

THE OLD.

THERE IS A BOOK I READ --

THIS IS BACK IN 1990s,

RE-THINKING LIFE AND DEATH,

WRITTEN BY PETER SINGER,

FROM PRINCETON, UNIVERSITY.

HE SAYS WE SHOULD REEXAM

HUMAN LIFE, AND WE DON'T

CONSIDER INFANTS TOTALLY

HUMAN UNTIL FIVE WEEKS OF

AGE.

SO IF YOU'RE BORN WITH A

DISABILITY, YOU CAN BE

KILLED.

THIS IS REMOVING THE

DISABLED AND THE ELDERLY --

Pat: HE TEACHES AT

PRINCETON?

HE IS STILL THERE.

Pat: WHY DON'T THEY

FIRE HIM.

YOU CAN KILL A CHILD AFTER

FIVE WEEKS, BECAUSE HE

DIDN'T LOOK LIKE HE IS

HEALTHY -- THAT'S MURDER.

THAT IS INFANTCIDE.

Pat: IT IS OKAY TO

PETER SINGER.

IT IS RECOMMENDED BECAUSE

IT IS MORE EFFICIENT.

WE CAN TAKE ALL OF THE

DOLLARS WE SAVED BY NOT

TREATING KIDS WITH

DISABILITIES, AND TRANSFER

THEM TO KIDS THAT ARE MORE

MORE GIFTED.

WE LOOK OUT FOR SOCIETY --

Pat: UNBELIEVABLE.

A VAST MAJORITY OF HEALTH

CARE DOLLARS GO TO PEOPLE

OVER 70.

AND THAT'S WHEN THE

HEALTH CARE SYSTEM IS REALLY

NEEDED, WHEN YOU START TO

HAVE FAILING HEALTH, WHICH

GENERALLY COMES AT THE END

OF LIFE.

THE GOOD NEWS HERE IS THERE

ARE SOLUTIONS.

UNDER THE PATIENT PROTECTION

AND AFFORDABLE CARE ACT,

OBAMACARE, THE CONGRESSIONAL

OFFICE SAYS THEY'RE GOING TO

BE CUTTING $17 BILLION, AND

IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE

IS ANOTHER $290 BILLION.

IT'S ABOUT A TRILLION CUT.

BUT WE CAN START TO FIX THAT

SYSTEM, AND I LAID THAT OUT

IN MY POLICY PAPER "CUTTING

THE GORDION KNOT."

IT CAN SAFE 3- TO

$4 BILLION.

AND I CAN USE THAT TO START

TO STABILIZE MEDICARE FOR

SENIORS.

Pat: THE DEMOCRATS

DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT

MALPRACTICE INSURANCE.

I HAPPENED TO RUN INTO ONE

ON AN AIRPLANE.

I THINK HE SAID HIS PREMIUMS

FOR INSURANCE WERE SOMETHING

LIKE $3 MILLION A YEAR.

THAT'S UNBELIEVABLE.

HOW CAN YOU PRACTICE

MEDICINE AND PAY THAT KIND

OF PREMIUM?

THAT MUST HAVE BEEN FOR A

GROUP OR HOSPITAL POLICY,

AND NOT FOR AN INDIVIDUAL

PHYSICIAN.

BUT IT CAN BE ASTRONOMICAL.

BUT THAT'S ANOTHER WAY.

AND ESSENTIALLY IN THE PAPER

I OUTLINED 17 IDEAS, AND

TORT REFORM IS ONE OF THE

17.

Pat: CAN WE REIN IN THE

COST OF MEDICINE?

ABSOLUTELY.

AND THERE ARE TWO WAYS TO DO

IT.

THIS REFLECTS THOSE TWO

WORLD VIEWS.

YOU CAN EITHER GO WITH THE

WORLD VIEW OF PETER SINGER

AND DR. MANUEL AND PATIENT

AFFORDABLE CARE ACT, AND

THROUGH A BUREAUCRATIC

OPTION LIMIT ACCESS TO

CARE.

I DON'T LIKE THAT CHOICE.

THE OTHER CHOICE IS TO MAKE

THE SYSTEM MORE EFFICIENT,

THROUGH TORT REFORM, THROUGH

DIRECT PHYSICIAN PAY

SYSTEMS.

I WAS DOING A TOWNHALL DOWN

IN NORTH CAROLINA, AND ONE

OF THE PHYSICIANS THERE

DIDN'T TAKE MEDICARE,

MEDICAID, OR INSURANCE.

HE TRIPLED HIS EFFICIENCY.

THE AVERAGE FAMILY PRACTICE

PHYSICIAN NEEDS BETWEEN FOUR

AND FIVE EMPLOYEES TO DEAL

WITH ALL OF THE PAPERWORK

FOR EVERY ONE PHYSICIAN.

HE IS ABLE TO ABLE TO HIRE

THREE PHYSICIANS FOR EVERY

ONE EMPLOYEE, BY GETTING RID

OF ALL OF THE BUREAUCRATIC

OVERSIGHT.

HE CAN SPEND MORE TIME WITH

HIS PATIENTS AND HAVE BETTER

OUTCOMES.

HE IS HAPPIER, AND HIS

PATIENTS ARE HAPPIER, BY

GETTING RID OF THE

BUREAUCRATIC --

Pat: WHAT ABOUT

BUREAUCRATIC PANEL THAT

DECIDES WHETHER PEOPLE CAN

GET CARE OR NOT CARE.

IT IS IN THE BILL.

IT IS SECTION 3403.

IT IS A SECTION CALLED THE

IPAD, THE INDEPENDENT

PAYMENT ADVISOR BOARD.

THIS IS ONE OF THE WORST IN

THE BILL.

Pat: I'M GLAD I POINTED

THAT OUT.

THERE ARE 15 INDEPENDENT

EXPERTS, AND THEIR JOB IS

TASKED SPECIFICALLY, QUOTE,"

IT IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS

SECTION TO REDUCE THE PER

CAPITA RATE OF GROWTH OF

MEDICARE SPENDING."

IT STUCK IN MY HEAD.

BUT HIS PANEL WILL START TO

LIMIT ACCESS TO CARE FOR

SENIORS.

THAT'S THEIR JOB.

AND WHAT'S THE WORST PART

ABOUT IT IS THEY'RE GIVEN

LEGISLATIVE AUTHORITY ABOVE

CONGRESS.

Pat: WHO APPOINTS

THEM?

THE PRESIDENT APPOINTS

THEM?

THE PRESIDENT APPOINTS

THEM FOR SIX YEARS.

Pat: WITH NO OVERSIGHT

BY CONGRESS?

NO OVERSIGHT BY

CONGRESS.

NO OVERSIGHT BY THE JUDICIAL

SYSTEM OR BY THE EXECUTIVE

BRANCH.

IT IS TRULY THE WORST -- I

WOULD EXPECT THAT IN STALIN

IST RUSSIA.

I OFTEN SAY I CAN'T BELIEVE

THIS IS HAPPENING IN

AMERICA.

BUT THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN

WE SET ASIDE A WORLD VIEW,

THE CONCEPT OF A FIXED

TRUTH, WITH A RULE OF LAW.

WHERE WE THE PEOPLE GRANT

POWER TO GOVERNMENT.

GOVERNMENT DOES NOT GRANT

LIBERTY TO WE THE PEOPLE.

Pat: DR. GREY, I'M

TELLING YOU, HE HAS ALL OF

THESE PAPERS HERE,

PHYSICIANS REFORM,

CONSULTING THE GORDION

KNOT.

PATIENT-CENTERED FISCAL

RESPONSIBLE APPROACHES, AND

THE BOOK IS "THE BATTLE FOR

AMERICA'S SOUL."

IT'S HEAVY READING, BUT IT'S

VERY INTERESTING.

SO IT IS AVAILABLE.

IT IS AVAILABLE THROUGH

MY NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS

physicianforreform.org AND

THERE IS ALSO A D.V.D. THEY

CAN ORDER WITH THIS.

Pat: AND YOU CAN GO TO

cbn.com AND YOU CAN PICK IT

UP.

IF THAT DOESN'T SCARE THE

DAY LIGHTS OUT OF YOU, I

DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL.

DR. GREY, THANK YOU SO

MUCH.

GOD BLESS YOU.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR

HAVING ME.

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