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The 700 Club - February 11, 2013

Elwin was driven to win in all aspects of life, but God never factored in. Plus, founding pastors of Catch the Fire Toronto, John and Carol Arnott give an update on their ministry Read Transcript


COURT IS IN SESSION.

ALL RISE.

Lee: WITH A JUDGE WHO

KNOWS HOW TO CUT CORNERS.

AND IT BECAME A GAME TO

ME.

Lee: HOW HE ROSE TO THE

TOP.

IF I KNOW THE GAME, IF I

KNOW THE RULES, I CAN PASS,

AND I DID.

Lee: AND WHY HE LEFT

THE BENCH?

JUST FALLING APART.

WHAT DO I DO?

*

Pat: WELCOME TO THIS

EDITION OF "THE 700 CLUB."

IT'S BEEN 600 YEARS SINCE A

POPE RESIGNED, AND WE'VE GOT

THAT STORY.

YOU'LL FIND IT AMAZING.

AND WE ALSO HAVE REPORTS OUT

OF ENGLAND THAT THERE IS AN

ASTEROID COMING TOWARDS

EARTH.

IT IS 150 FEET, BUT IT HAS

THE SAME POWER THAT

FLATTENED THE TREES IN

TANGESTA IN SIBERIA, AND

THAT WILL BE HITTING ABOUT

2:00 ON FRIDAY, BUT IT MAY

KNOCK OUT SOME SATELLITE

TRANSMISSION, BUT THEY DON'T

THINK IT COULD HIT EARTH.

IT COULD WIPE OUT NEW YORK

OR LONDON IF IT HITS.

Terry: GOOD GRIEF.

Pat: 150 FEET, THAT'S

ALL.

Terry: BUT THEY'RE

SAYING IT IS NOT --

Pat: THEY'RE SAYING IT

IS GOING TO COME INTO THE

AREA WHERE WE HAVE OUR

SATELLITES, AND IT COULD HIT

A SATELLITE.

INTERESTING.

Terry: HAVE AN IMPACT.

SPEAKING OF IMPACT --

Pat: WE LOVE HIM.

THIS MAN IS A GREAT LIBERAL

SCHOLAR.

I WAS FASCINATED BY HIS BOOK

"JESUS OF NAZARETH," AND IT

WAS SO BIBLICALLY ACCURATE

AND WELL-DONE.

BUT POPE BENEDICT XVI SAYS

HIS HEALTH WON'T STAND THE

DUTIES OF OFFICE ANYMORE.

HE IS GOING TO RESIGN AT THE

END OF THE MONTH.

AGAIN, AS I SAID EARLIER, IT

IS THE FIRST TIME IN 600

YEARS THAT A SITTING POPE

HAS STEPPED DOWN.

Terry: AND NOW THE

CATHOLIC CHURCH WILL BEGIN

THE PROCESS OF FINDING A NEW

LEADER.

Reporter: AT 85 YEARS

OLD, POPE BENEDICT XVI SAYS

HE NO LONGER FEELS HE CAN

ADEQUATELY DO THE JOB

ENTRUSTED TO HIM.

IN A STATEMENT HE COMPLAINED

EXPLAINED HIS REASONS FOR

STEPPING DOWN "AFTER HAVING

REPEATEDLY EXAMINED NI

CONSCIOUS BEFORE GOD, MY

HEALTH IS NO LONGER SUITED

TO AN EXERCISE OF THE

PATRINE MINISTRY."

HE WAS 78 YEARS OLD AT THE

TIME, AND HAD BEEN PLANNING

TO RETIRE AS THE VATICAN'S

CHIEF ORTHODOXI WATCHDOG TO

SPEND HIS FINAL YEARS

WRITING.

HIS TIME AS THE LEADER OF

THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS

INCLUDED A SERIES OF

SCANDALS AND CONTROVERSY.

IN 2008, HE ADDRESSED THE

SEX ABUSE CRISIS IN THE

CATHOLIC CHURCH, MEETING

PRIVATELY WITH THE VICTIMS

OF PEDOPHILE PRIESTS, AND HE

OPPOSED GAY MARRIAGE, AND

ALLOWING THE PRIESTS TO

MARRY.

ALL CARDINALS UNDER THE AGE

OF 80 WILL NOW GATHER TO

VOTE IN THE CONCLAVE.

HELD IN THE SISTINE CHAPEL.

A SPOKESPERSON FOR THE

VATICAN SAYS THAT DECISION

IS EXPECTED BY THE END OF

MARCH.

CHARLENE ISRAEL, CBN NEWS.

Pat: I AM SAD.

I'M NOT A ROMAN CATHOLIC,

BUT WE ALL LOVE POPE JOHN

PAUL II, AND HE DIDN'T

RESIGN.

HE DIED.

AND THIS ONE HAS BEEN A

SUBURB LEADER AND A GREAT

SCHOLAR, AND NEEDLESS TO

SAY, WE WILL MISS HIM.

TERRY, I MIGHT SAY IN HIS

ADVANCED AGE, HE IS ABOUT

TWO YEARS OLDER THAN I AM.

Terry: I ADMIRE HIS

DECISION.

Pat: MAYBE IT IS TIME

FOR ME TO --

Terry: I'M NOT GOING

THERE.

Pat: BUT YOU NEVER

KNOW.

ALL RIGHT, HERE AT HOME,

FOLKS, ANOTHER SNOWSTORM HIT

THIS WEEKEND JUST AS THE

NORTHEAST IS DIGGING OUT

FROM THEIR HISTORIC

BLIZZARD.

THREE FEET.

HAMDEN, CONNECTICUT, HAD,

WHAT, 50 INCHES OF SNOW.

IT WAS UNBELIEVABLE.

LEE WEBB HAS THAT STORY FROM

THE CBN NEWS ROOM.

LEE?

Lee: PAT, THAT SECOND

SNOWSTORM THAT YOU MENTIONED

HIT THE NORTHERN PLAIN

STATES, INCLUDING

MINNESOTA.

IT FOLLOWS THE MONSTER STORM

THAT POUNDED NEW ENGLAND

THIS WEEKEND.

PARTS OF THE NORTHEAST

RECEIVED MORE THAN THREE

FEET OF SNOW, AS YOU

MENTIONED, PAT, AND MILLIONS

CONTINUE TO DIG OUT AND

THOUSANDS ARE STILL WITHOUT

POWER.

MARK MARTIN HAS THE STORY.

Reporter: TAKE A LOOK

AT THE STRONG WINDS WHIPPING

TO HEAVY SNOW AND ICE IN

MINNESOTA.

GUSTS UP TO 50 MILES PER

HOUR AND HIGHER SWEPT ACROSS

THE REGION, AND LED TO

WHITEOUT CONDITIONS AND

TREACHEROUS TRAVEL.

MEANWHILE, THE MONSTER

BLIZZARD IN THE NORTHEAST

BROUGHT SOME OF THE HIGHEST

SNOW ACCUMULATIONS EVER

RECORDED.

IT IS BLAMED FOR AT LEAST 15

DEATHS IN THE U.S. AND

CANADA.

CLEANUP CONTINUES.

IT IS GOING TO TAKE DAYS TO

RECOVER.

IT IS HORRIBLE.

WHEN YOU DO SHOVEL YOUR

DRIVEWAY, THE PLOWS COME AND

PUT IT BACK.

Reporter: UTILITY CREWS

ARE WORKING ROUND-THE-CLOCK

TO RESTORE POWER.

ABOUT 80,000 COSTUMERS ARE

STILL WITHOUT ELECTRIC.

WE HAVE NO POWER, NO

NOTHING.

Reporter: AFTER CLOSE

TO THREE FEET OF SNOW.

AT THE HEIGHT OF THE STORM,

SOME DRIVERS HAD TO ABANDON

THEIR CARS.

OTHERS SPENDER THOTHERS

SPENT THE NIGHT ON THE

ROADWAY.

I GOT THROUGH THE NIGHT,

WHICH IS STARTED THE CAR

EVERY 40 MINUTES TO GET SOME

HEAT.

Reporter: DRIVING BANS

PUT IN PLACE DOING THE SNOW

HAVE BEEN LIFTED.

BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER.

SNOW H HAS BURIED SOME

CARS.

I HAD TO CALL WORK AND

SAID I COULD NOT COME TO

WORK.

Reporter: IN HARD-HIT

BOSTON, SCHOOLS ARE CLOSED

TODAY.

WE OPENED SOME SMALL

COMMUNITY CENTERS FOR KIDS

AND PARENTS TO GO TO IF THEY

WANT.

Reporter: NORTHEAST

AIRPORTS ARE APPARENTLY MORE

THAN NORMAL SCHEDULES.

MORE THAN 5,000 FLIGHTS WERE

CANCELLED AT THE HEIGHT OF

THE STORM.

MARK MARTIN, CBN NEWS.

Lee: SPRING CAN'T COME

SOON ENOUGH UP MR, PAT.

Pat: IT SURE CAN'T.

I THINK WE SHOULD PRAY FOR

THEM.

SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE

LOST POWER, THEY'RE IN

FREEZING COLD TEMPERATURES

AND WIND BLOWING.

HOPEFULLY THEY HAVE SOME

WARM CLOTHES AND HEAT.

WE HAD SOME EMERGENCY

CALLS.

THE CRAZY CHEFS WAS ASKED,

WHERE THEY HAVE HELPED

BEFORE, AND THEY SAID WE'RE

DESPERATE, AND PEOPLE ARE

DESPERATE.

SO RELIEF SUPPLIES ARE ON

THE WAY.

BUT THERE IS STILL SOME

PEOPLE SUFFERING.

THERE IS ONE BOY WHO DIED.

IT'S A SHAME.

HE WAS IN A CAR, AND THE

EXHAUST PIPES OF THE CAR

WERE UP AGAINST THE FUMES,

AND HE GOT KILLED.

HE DIDN'T REALIZE WHAT WAS

HAPPENING TO HIM.

LEE, I THINK MORE OF IT IS

COME, ISN'T IT?

Lee: THAT'S RIGHT,

PAT.

ANOTHER WEATHER SYSTEM IN

THE GULF COAST RESPONDED

TORNADOES IN HATTISBURG,

MISSISSIPPI.

IT CAUSED DAMAGE AT TH AT

THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTHERN

MISSISSIPPI.

THEY ASKED ANYONE ON CAMPUS

TO STAY AWAY.

THE GOVERNOR IS VISITING

HATTISBURG TO SURVEY THE

DAMAGE.

A LEADING REPUBLICAN SENATOR

SAYS HE WILL HOLD UP

PRESIDENT OBAMA'S NOMINEES

TO HEAD UP THE PENTAGON AND

THE C.I.A.

LINDSEY GRAHAM SAYS HE WILL

DELAY THE NOMINEES UNTIL THE

WHITE HOUSE PROVIDES MORE

INFORMATION ON THE ATTACK ON

THE U.S. CONSULATE IN

BENGHAZI LAST SEPTEMBER.

HE ACCUSES THE

ADMINISTRATION OF

STONEWALLING THE REQUESTS.

GRAHAM PROMISES TO GET TO

THE BOTTOM OF BENGHAZI,

PAT.

Pat: THEY HAVE THE

PRIVILEGED OF PUTTING

SOMETHING ON HOLD.

BUT BACK TO HAGEL AGAIN, IT

ISN'T SO MUCH HIS VIEWS ON

SEVERAL HOT TOPICS, WHICH

EVERYBODY SEEMS TO POINT

TO.

IT IS HIS COMPETENCY TO RUN

ONE OF THE LARGEST

CORPORATIONS IN THE WORLD

WITH HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS

OF PERSONNEL.

IT IS A GIGANTIC EFFORT, AND

HE HAS NEVER DONE ANYTHING

LIKE THIS IN HIS LIFE.

I THINK WE OUGHT TO LOOK FOR

COMPETENCY.

I DON'T THINK OBAMA HAS DONE

THAT.

HE HAS IDEOLOGICAL PURECY IN

HIS IDEA.

Lee: THE DEBATE HAS

GONE ON FOR DECADES: IS IT

OKAY FOR PRESIDENTS TO MIX

RELIGION AND POLITICS?

A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL SAY IT

DEPENDS ON WHO'S RELIGION

AND WHO'S POLITICS.

HEATHER CELLS HAD SOME VERY

HARD POSITIONS.

Reporter: THE EIGHTH

REAGAN SYMPOSIUM TOOK ON TWO

TOPICS, RELIGION AND

POLITICS.

BUT THE EXPERTS EXPLAINED

THAT IS GOOD REASON FOR

PRESIDENTS TO SPEAK TO

ISSUES OF FAITH.

WHEN PRESIDENTS SPEAK,

THEY WANT TO SPEAK TO THEIR

AUDIENCE AND AT A LEVEL

THEIR AUDIENCE CAN RELATE

TO.

IT RESONATES TO PEOPLE

WE'RE NOT JUST SQUABBLING

ABOUT TAXES AND THAT SORT OF

THING, BUT THAT WE HAVE A

COMMON PURPOSE TOGETHER.

Reporter: ONE OF THE

MOST EFFECTIVE USES OF

RELIGION IN POLITICS CAME IN

PRESIDENT RA REAGAN'S

EMPIRE SPEECH, WHERE HE

EXPLAINED THE COLD WAR IN

MORAL TERMS, AND HELPED

BRING DOWN THE SOVIET

UNION.

THEY ARE THE MODERN EVIL

IN LIFE.

SOMETIMES WORDS AS

WEAPONS CAN BE MORE POWERFUL

THAN ANY FLEET OF CRUISE

MISSILES OR NAVY SHIPS.

Reporter: AT THE TIME,

IN 1983, MANY PEOPLE IN THE

MEDIA BASHED THE SPEECH AS

RELIGIOUS BIGOTRY.

BUT IN THE END, IT HELPED TO

HASTEN THE FALL OF THE

SOVIET EMPIRE.

BUT SOME AGREE THAT THE

PRESIDENTIAL USE OF RELIGION

MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE.

WHEN I SEE IT BASED ON

SELECTIVE INTERPRETATION OF

SCRIPTURE OR MISLEADING

INTERPRETATION OF THE

SCRIPTURE.

WE NEED TO RELIES OUR

PRESIDENTS ARE LAYMAN WHEN

IT COMES TO THE BIBLE.

HE HAS A LOT OF

EXPERIENCE IN THE CHURCH.

HE IS VERY COMFORTABLE WITH

RELIGIOUS LANGUAGE.

I REMEMBER ON THE 10th

ANNIVERSARY OF 9/11, HE READ

PSALM 46.

Reporter: BUT THEY NOTE

THE PRESIDENT'S POLICIES

THAT THEY SAY THAT RESTRICT

RELIGIOUS LIBILITY LIBERTY,

REFLECT HIS DEEP RELIGIOUS

FAITH.

THEY SHOULD ALSO BE PREPARED

FOR SOME CHANGE.

THE AMERICAN POPULATION

DIVERSE FIS DIFFERSFIES,

YOU WILL SEE MORE

DIVERSITY.

Reporter: ONE THING

WHICH MAY NOT CHANGE IS THE

DEPENDS OF THE OVAL OFFICE,

WHICH OVER TIME INVITE

PRESIDENTS TO SEEK HELP.

AT SOME POINT, THE JOB

BECOMES SO DEMANDING, YOU'VE

GOT TO LOOK OUTSIDE

YOURSELF.

AND FOR EVER PRESIDENT, THEY

LOOKED UPWARDS.

Lee: THE BIRTH RATE

CAME IN 12.7 BIRTHS FOR

EVERY 1,000 PEOPLE.

THE NUMBER OF TEEN NUMBERS

SET A RECORD LOW, AND WOMEN

IN THEIR 20s ALSO HAD

FEWER BIRTHS.

BUT BIRTH RATES ROSE FOR

WOMEN 35 TO 44.

RESEARCHERS SAY THE WEAK

ECONOMY IS ONE REASON FEWER

WOMEN ARE HAVING BABIES.

BUT, PAT, THE NUMBERS

REFLECT A LONG-TERM TREND IN

THE U.S. TOWARDS SMALLER

FAMILIES.

Pat: IF YOU RECALL, THE

FEMINIST MOVEMENT, LEE,

BETTY FERDAN AND OTHERS,

WERE TALKING ABOUT BRINGING

DOWN THE "F"ING PATRIARCH.

AND YOUNG WOMEN IN COLLEGE

WERE TOLD THAT MARRIAGE AND

CHILD BEARING IS DEMEANING,

AND THEIR MAIN GOAL SHOULD

BE SUCCESSFUL CAREER PEOPLE

AND COMPETE WITH MEN.

THAT HAS BEEN REFLECTED NOT

ONLY IN THE UNITED STATES,

BUT IN MOST OF THE WESTERN

NATIONS.

WE HAVE AN AUTHOR WITH US

WHO HAS WRITTEN AN

INTRIGUING BOOK "WHAT TO

EXPECT WHEN NO ONE IS

EXPECTING."

COMING UP, TERRY IS GOING TO

TELL US ABOUT IT.

Terry: IT IS A LOOMING

DISASTER THAT COULD ACTUALLY

DESTROY OUR COUNTRY, AND IT

IS A PROBLEM THAT NO ONE IS

REALLY EXPECTING.

HEAR MORE ABOUT IT.

THAT'S NEXT.

Pat: WE READ TODAY --

AT LEAST I READ TODAY --

THAT CHINA HAS NOW SURPASSED

THE UNITED STATES IN TERMS

OF TOTAL EXPORTS.

THE GROSS DOMESTIC PRODUCT

OF CHINA IS ABOUT

$7.2 TRILLION.

THE UNITE UNITED STATES IS

ABOUT $15 TRILLION.

SO WE'RE TWICE AS LARGE AN

ECONOMY, AND YET THEIR

EXPORTS ARE BIGGER THAN

OURS, NUMBER ONE IN THE

WORLD.

YOU SAY THE BIGGEST THREAT

FACING AMERICA IS CHINA.

ACCORDING TO OUR NEXT GUEST,

THE BIGGEST THREAT FACING

AMERICAN MAY NOT BE CHINA OR

TERRORISM OR ANY FOREIGN

COUNTRY, OR EVEN OUR

NATIONAL DEBT.

THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WE FACE,

HE SAYS, IS SOMETHING FROM

OUR OWN HOMES.

TAKE A LOOK.

FOR YEARS WE'VE BEEN

WARNED, THERE ARE ARE TOO

MANY PEOPLE IN THE WORLD.

THAT WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF

LAND, FOOD, AND EVERYTHING

ELSE NEEDED TO SUSTAIN AN

OVERPOPULATED PLANET.

BUT AUTHOR JONATHAN LEST

SAYS THE BIGGEST CRISIS

FACING THE UNITED STATES AND

THE WORLD IS JUST THE

OPPOSITE.

HE HAS WRITTEN THE BOOK

CALLED "WHAT TO EXPECT WHEN

NO ONE IS EXPECTING."

LEST SAYS THE GREATEST

THREAT TO LIFE IN AMERICA IS

US AND OUR COLLECTIVE

UNWILLINGNESS TO HAVE MORE

KIDS.

HE SAYS THAT UNLESS WE

CHANGE OUR VIEWS ABOUT THE

VALUE OF RAISING CHILDREN,

AMERICA FACES A BLEAK

FUTURE.

DISEASE, WAR, AND ECONOMIC

COLLAPSE ARE ALL ON THE

HORIZON AS THE FERTILITY

RATE PLUMMETS AND OUR

POPULATION DECLINES.

Pat: WELL, WE'VE GOT

THE AUTHOR OF AN INTRIGUING

BOOK, "WHAT TO EXPECT TO

WHEN NO ONE IS EXPECTING,

AMERICA'S COMING DEMOGRAPHIC

DISASTER."

JONATHAN LEST JOINS US FROM

WASHINGTON.

GOOD TO HAVE YOU.

I WAS INTERESTING IN READING

YOUR BOOK.

I WANT TO TAKE ISSUE IN ONE

THING, I'M A FATHER OF FOUR,

AND WHEN WE WERE HAVING

LITTLE CHILDREN GROWING UP,

IT WAS A REAL PLEASURE.

SURE, IT COSTS A LOT OF

MONEY, BUT YOU MAKE IT SOUND

ENORMOUSLY EXPENSIVE.

IF WE TOTAL UP ALL OF THE

COSTS INCLUDING COLLEGE AND

MISSING WAGES AND CHILD

CARE, IT COSTS THE AVERAGE

MIDDLE-CLASS COUPLE OVER A

MILLION DOLLARS TO RAISE A

CHILD.

IT IS LIKE BUYING FIVE

HOUSES ALL AT ONCE.

THIS COST HAS INCREASED A

LOT SINCE 1965.

THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS

PEOPLE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO

HAVE AS MANY CHILDREN AS

THEY WANT TO.

Pat: ALL RIGHT.

LET'S GO TO SOME FIGURES.

WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE TO

SUSTAIN THE POPULATION.

IS IT 2.1 BIRTHS PER

THOUSAND.

2.1 BIRTHS PER WOMAN, PER

LIFE.

Pat: PER WOMAN.

Reporter: THE AVERAGE

NEEDS TO HAVE 2.1 WOMEN OVER

YOUR LIFETIME TO KEEP THE

POPULATION STABLE.

WHAT DEMOGRAPHERS CALL THE

REPLACE RATE.

Pat: THERE WAS A

PSYCHOLOGIST IN NEW ENGLAND

WHO WAS PROMINENT, AND SHE

JUMPED ALL OVER ME AND SHE

SAID, MR MR. ROBERTS SEEMS

TO THINK THE WOMAN'S WOMB IS

A NATIONAL RESOURCE.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING?

NO, NOT AT ALL.

THE WORLD HAS CHANGED, AND A

LOT OF WOMEN AND MEN WHO DO

NOT WANT TO HAVE CHILDREN.

BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I

DISCOVERED WRITING THIS

BOOK, WHEN DEMOGRAPHERS TALK

ABOUT THE IDEAL AMOUNT THE

PEOPLE IN AMERICA WANT TO

HAVE.

AND IN AMERICA, THAT NUMBER

IS 2.5.

SO DESPITE ALL OF THE TALK

ABOUT MEN NOT WANTING THIS

AND WOMEN NOT WANTING THIS,

THE TRUTH IS AMERICANS STILL

WANT BIGGER FAMILIES, BUT

THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO

HAVE THEM.

THE GAP BETWEEN OUR REAL

FERT-ELEC FERTILITY AND OUR

IDEAL FERTILITY EXPLAINS THE

GAP BETWEEN PEOPLE HAVING

THE FAMILIES THEY WANT.

Pat: JONATHAN, WHAT

WILL HAPPEN IF WE AS A

NATION DOES NOT KEEP THE

REPLACEMENT RATE GOING.

WHAT HAPPENS?

ALL SORTS OF BAD THINGS

HAPPEN, AND SOME ARE

OBVIOUS.

YOU WOULD EXPECT OUR

ENTITLEMENT PROGRAMS,

MEDICARE AND SOCIAL SECURITY

BECOME VERY DIFFICULT TO

MAINTAIN.

BECAUSE YOU HAVE TOO MANY

PEOPLE RETIRING AND NOT

ENOUGH YOUNGER WORKERS.

AND IT BECOMES VERY HARD TO

SUSTAIN A DYNAMIC ECONOMY.

THE CONSUMPTION SHIFTS

DOWNWARD.

INNOVATION DRIES UP, AND

CAPITAL POOLS BEGAN TO

SHIFT, BECAUSE HAVE HAVE

OLDER PEOPLE LOOKING TO USE

THEIR CAPITAL, AND NOT

ENOUGH YOUNGER PEOPLE.

AND THERE IS JUST THE

MONEY.

YOU'RE SHIFTING OUT YOUR

MONEY FROM THE PENTAGON OVER

TO THE SOCIAL SECURITY

OFFICE.

AND JUST IN TERMS OF HAVING

THE PEOPLE OF MILITARY AGE,

18 TO 24.

THERE AREN'T ENOUGH OF THEM

TO FIELD A MILITARY.

Pat: GIVE US SOME OF

THE HORROR STORIES.

EUROPE AND JAPAN.

THINK ABOUT JAPAN.

REMEMBER IN THE 1980s,

WHEN WE WERE GOING TO ALL

WORK FOR THE JAPANESE.

AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT

HOW WE WERE GOING TO HAVE TO

TEACH ALL OF OUR KIDS IN THE

PUBLIC SCHOOLS HOW TO SPEAK

JAPANESE IF THEY WERE GOING

TO EARN A LIVING.

THE DEMOGRAPHERS WERE

WARNING THE JAPANESE PEOPLE

THEIR FERTILITY RATE WAS SO

LOW.

AND JAPAN WENT INTO THIS

ENORMOUS RECESSION.

THE JAPANESE CALLED IT THE

LOST DECADE, BUT IT IS STILL

GOING TODAY.

BOTH ECONOMISTS AND

DEMOGRAPHERS IN JAPAN SAY IT

IS ALL BECAUSE OF THEIR

FERTILITY RATE.

THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO SUSTAIN

THEIR HUMAN CAPITAL.

JAPAN IS GOING TO LOSE A

LITTLE MORE THAN 50% OF ITS

ENTIRE POPULATION IN THE

NEXT CENTURY.

Pat: WHY?

I WAS STATIONED IN JAPAN

DURING THE KOREAN WAR.

I DIDN'T SEE THE JAPANESE

PEOPLE UNWILLING TO HAVE SEX

WITH EACH OTHER.

WHAT'S THE DEAL?

WHY DON'T THEY WANT TO

HAVE BABIES?

PART OF IT IS

UNWILLINGNESS TO HAVE SEX.

THERE WAS A SURVEY A WHILE

AGO, AND BOYS BETWEEN 15 AND

19 THOUGHT EVEN THE IDEA OF

SEX WITH A WOMAN WAS

DISGUSTING TO THEM.

THIS IS THE FIRST COUNTRY IN

THE WORLD WHERE YOU HAVE

TEENAGED BOYS WHO THINK LIKE

THAT.

AND THE OTHER PART OF WHAT

HAPPENED IN JAPAN IS THEIR

MARRIAGE CULTURE HAS

SUFFERED.

THE RATES OF MARRIAGE IN

JAPAN HAS FALLEN DRAMATICSLY

OVE DRAMATICALLY OVER THE

PAST FEW YEARS AND DIVORCE

HAS RISEN.

Pat: 50 YEARS AGO,

EUROPE DOMINATED, AND IT

SLSHUNK, AND IS THAT THE

RESULT OF NOT HAVING

BABIES?

IT IS.

THEY'VE HAD LONG-STANDING

PLANS TO RAISE THEIR

FERTILITY RATE, AND THEY

HAVE SUCCEEDED A LITTLE, AND

WHAT HAS HELPED IS THE

MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF

IMMIGRATION FROM NORTHERN

AFRICA.

GERMANY IS ALREADYLIZING

ALREADY LOSING POPULATION.

THEY HAVE GONE FROM FIGURING

OUT HOW TO BUILD CITIES INTO

TURNING OUT HOW TO DOWN SIZE

THEIR CITIES, AND THEY NOW

STUDY HOW DO YOU TAKE OUT

CITY BLOCKS.

YOU HAVE PACKS OF WOLVES

RETURNING TO TOWNS IN EAST

GERMANY WHERE THEY HAVEN'T

BEEN IN 400 YEARS BECAUSE

THERE JUST ISN'T ENOUGH

PEOPLE AROUND TO GET TO STAY

OUT IN THE WOODS.

YOU CAN GENERALLY HAVE TWO

TYPES OF POLICIES.

YOU HAVE LIBERAL POLICIES,

LIKE IN FRANCE AND

SCANDINAVIA, WHICH SURROUND

STATE-RUN DAYCARE CENTERS TO

HELP MOTHERS WORK MORE.

AND YOU HAVE THINGS LIKE TAX

INCENTIVES, WHICH YOU SEE IN

SINGAPORE AND JAPAN.

AND THE TRUTH IS NEITHER OF

THEM HAVE BEEN PARTICULARLY

EFFECTIVE.

IT IS REALLY HARD RAISING A

CHILD.

IT IS REALLY HARD HAVING A

FAMILY.

THESE LITTLE INCENTIVES AND

NUDGES AREN'T GOING TO DO

IT.

FORGET THE GOVERNMENT, YOU

HAVE TO WORK ON CHANGING THE

CULTURE.

CHANGE OUR ATTITUDES TOWARDS

FAMILIES AND HELP THEM

REALIZE FAMILIES ARE

IMPORTANT.

THEY'RE IMPORTANT NOUT AND

IN THE FUTURE.

Pat: WE FOUND OUT THAT

RELIGIOUS BELIEF PLAYS A BIG

PART IN THIS.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE A BELIEF IN

A FUTURE.

YOU DIDN'T ADDRESS THAT VERY

MUCH IN YOUR BOOK, DID YOU?

OR DID YOU?

I DO.

I TALK ABOUT IT IN THE BOOK

BECAUSE IT IS FASCINATING.

DEMOGRAPHERS HAVE STUDIED

RELIGIOUS BELIEF AND IT'S

EFFECT ON FERTILITY.

THE CATHOLICS HAD MORE

BABIES IN GENERAL THAN THE

PROTESTANTS DID, AND THE

PROTESTANTS HAD MORE BABIES

THAN THE JEWS DID.

BEGINNING IN THE 1950S AND

1960S, THOUGH SECTARIAN

DIFFERENCES BEGAN TO SLIP.

AND NOW WE SEE THERE IS

ALMOST NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN

THE RELIGIOUS SECT, BUT IN

THE RELIGIOUS PRACTICE.

IT IS NOT WHAT YOU BELIEVE

BUT HOW OFTEN YOU GO TO

CHURCHES.

IF YOU GO EVERY MONTH, YOUR

FERTILITY RATE IS HIGHER.

THE PEOPLE WITH THE HIGHEST

FERTILITY RATE ARE THE

PEOPLE WHO GO TO CHURCH

SERVICES ONCE A WEEK.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT

RELIGION YOU ARE.

YOU CAN BE PROTESTANT,

CATHOLIC, JEW.

IF YOU SHOW UP AT CHURCH

EVERY WEEK, THAT'S WHAT IT

IS, BELIEVING IN SOMETHING

BIGGER THAN WE ARE RIGHT

HERE AND RIGHT NOW.

Pat: JONATHAN, THANK

YOU VERY MUCH.

HIS BOOK IS CALLED "WHAT TO

EXPECT WHEN NO ONE IS

EXPECTING."

IT IS VERY INTRIGUING.

I THINK YOU'LL FIND IT A

VERY GOOD READ.

YOU CAN GET IT WHERE BOOKS

ARE SOLD.

FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE

EVANGELICALS, I WANT TO TELL

YOU THERE IS HOPE.

YOU CAN OUTBREED THOSE

OTHERS WHO DON'T AGREE WITH

YOU.

THE MUSLIMS ARE CERTAINLY

DOING IT.

THEY HAVE, LIKE, SEVEN KIDS

PER FAMILY.

Terry: THAT'S TRUE.

A LOT OF THOSE COUNTRIES IN

EUROPE --

Pat: I DON'T THINK IT

HAS WORKED IN IRELAND.

IT IS AN INTRIGUING THING.

HE GOES DOWN THE LIST OF THE

COUNTRIES, WHAT THEY'VE DONE

AND WASN'T DOESN'T WORK, AND

HE POINTS TO SINGAPORE WHO

DELIBERATELY TRIED TO KILL

THE BIRTH RATE AND IT HAS

HAD A DEVASTATING EFFECT.

Terry: UP NEXT, THE

VERDICT ONE JUDGE DIDN'T

WANT TO HEAR.

IT WASN'T LIKE WHEN I GOT

THE "F" IN LAW SCHOOL -- I

COULD COME BACK STRONGER.

THIS, I'M GETTING ANOTHER

"F," AND WHAT DO I DO?

Terry: HEAR HIS FINAL

APPEAL.

THAT'S NEXT.

.

Pat: IF YOU'VE EVER

BEEN IN THE COURTROOM, YOU

HAVE A PERSON WHO SAYS, "ALL

RISE," AND YOU ALL STAND

UP.

AND A MAN IN A BLACK ROBE

COMES IN AND TAKES A SEAT UP

ABOVE YOU.

HE IS E ENVELOPED WITH A

PANOPLY OF SUCH POWER.

THE JUDGE COULD DECIDE A

PERSON'S FATE.

HE ALONE DETERMINED WHO WAS

INNOCENT AND WHO WASN'T.

BUT DURING HIS TIME ON THE

BENCH, EDWIN COULDN'T WRAP

HIS MIND AROUND ONE THING,

THAT HE WAS THE ONE WHO WAS

REALLY GUILTY.

ALL RISE.

Reporter: EDWIN AHU WAS

PROUD TO WEAR THE ROBE OF A

CIRCUIT COURT JUDGE.

AFTER ALL, HE DESERVED IT.

HE WORKED HARD, PLAYED BY

THE RULES, AND WON.

AS AN ATHLETE, HE ALWAYS HAD

A FIERCE DESIRE TO WIN.

AND HE WAS SMART, SMART

ENOUGH TO CRUISE THROUGH

COLLEGE WITH LITTLE EFFORT.

HE EVEN GOT INTO LAW SCHOOL,

BUT THAT'S WHERE THINGS

CHANGED.

I CUT OUT A CLASS.

THE SAME I DID IN

UNDER-GRAD, THINKING I COULD

CARRY ON IN LAW SCHOOL.

Reporter: BUT HE

COULDN'T.

HE FLUNGED A CLASS, AND THE

SCHOOL THREATENED TO DISMISS

HIM.

EDWIN REFUSED TO ACCEPT

FAILURE AND CAME UP WITH A

PLAN.

I FIGURED ON A WAY HOW I

COULD GET THROUGH THESE

CLASSES.

AND I FOUND OUT SEVERAL

RULES AND PRINCIPLES I

NEEDED TO APPLY, AND IT

BECAME A GAME TO ME.

IF I KNOW THE GAME, IF I

KNOW THE RULES, I CAN PASS,

AND I DID.

Reporter: ELWIN

BELIEVED HE COULD APPLY THAT

SAME STRATEGY TO ANY AREA OF

LIFE AND SUCCEED.

HE EVEN MARRIED WHILE IN LAW

SCHOOL JUST TO PROVE IT.

EVERYONE SAID WE WERE TOO

YOUNG.

THE MORE PEOPLE TOLD ME I

COULDN'T DO IT, THAT IT

WOULDN'T BE SUCCESSFUL, THE

COMPETITIVE EDGE KICKED IN

AND I WAS OUT TO PROVE THEM

WRONG.

Reporter: THE DOUBLE

DIVORCED AFTER SEVEN YEARS

AND SHARED CUSTODY OF THEIR

6-YEAR-OLD SON, BRANDON.

ELWIN REFUSED TO ACCEPT ANY

BLAME FOR THE BROKEN

MARRIAGE.

IT'S FAILURE, BUT IT

WASN'T MY FAULT.

I PLAYED BY MY SET OF

RULES.

AND IT WAS HER -- MY

PERCEPTION AT THE TIME, IT

WAS BECAUSE OF WHAT SHE

FAILED TO DO THAT CREATED

THIS BREAKUP.

Reporter: ELWIN'S

PROFESSIONAL LIFE AS A

LITIGATOR WAS SOARING.

HIS DRIVE TO WIN MADE HIM A

POWERHOUSE IN THE

COURTROOM.

I LOVE TRIAL WORK.

TO SEE THE JURY COME TO A

DECISION THAT YOU HAD BEEN

ADVOCATING, EVEN THOUGH YOU

DIDN'T STAND A CHANCE

WALKING THROUGH THAT

COURTROOM.

Reporter: HIS SUCCESS

AS A LAWYER EVENTUALLY

LANDED HIM AN APPOINTMENT AS

A CIRCUIT COURT JUDGE.

HIS PERSONAL LIFE, ON THE

OTHER HAND, WAS A MESS.

HE HAD REMARRIED AND TO A

BLENDED FAMILY.

AND HE WAS DETERMINED TO

MAKE IT WORK HIS WAY.

I STEP IN, KNIGHT IN

SHINING ARMOR, SAVE THE DAY

FOR EVERYONE, PLAY BY MY

RULES.

Reporter: BUT THAT ONLY

CREATED TENSION.

TO MAKE THINGS WORSE, HE

DAMAGED HIS RELATIONSHIP

WITH HIS SON, BRANDON.

HERE I AM, A PERSON WHO

TRIED TO CREATE THE RULES

AND PLAY BY THE RULES, AND

EVEN THOUGH I DID, IS

FALLING APART.

IT WASN'T, LIKE, WHEN I GOT

THE "F" IN LAW SCHOOL.

I COULD COME BACK STRONGER.

THIS TIME I'M GETTING

ANOTHER "F," AND WHAT DO I

DO?

ELWIN DIVORCED AGAIN AND

MOVED IN WITH HIS PARENTS.

I REMEMBER MY DAD SAYING

TO ME ONE DAY, WHAT'S WRONG

WITH YOU, MAN?

WHAT DO YOU WANT?

AND YET YOU'RE LIVING AT

HOME AGAIN.

AND I JUST BEGAN WONDERING

WONDERING.

WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE

WORLD?

AND I COULDN'T PUT MY FINGER

ON IT.

Reporter: ONE

AFTERNOON, WHILE STUCK IN A

HONOLULU TRAGIC JAM, ELWIN

WAS LISTENING TO A RECORDED

CEREMONY A FRIEND HAD GIVEN

HIM.

HE LIKED THE MESSAGE SO

MUCH, HE DECIDED TO VISIT

THE CHURCH.

WHEN THE WORSHIP WAS

DONE, AS THE PASTOR STARTED

TO SPEAK, IT WAS AS IF THE

ROOM JUST EMPTIED, AND THERE

WAS NOBODY THERE.

IT WAS LIKE IT WAS JUST ME.

I THOUGHT, THIS IS INSANE.

Reporter: THE

EXPERIENCE STAYED WITH HIM,

SO HE WENT BACK.

HE STILL REMEMBERS WHAT THE

PASTOR SAID.

HE SAID GOD MAY HAVE

ORCHESTRATED EVERY MOMENT IN

YOUR LIFE FOR YOU TO BE HERE

TO RECEIVE THE FORGIVENESS

OF JESUS CHRIST.

WHOA!

THAT EXPLODED.

BECAUSE FOR THE VERY FIRST

TIME I CAME TO REALIZE THAT

IT WASN'T ANYONE ELSE WHO

WAS WRONG.

IT WAS ME.

THAT I NEEDED FORGIVENESS.

Reporter: ELWIN

REALIZED THAT FORGIVENESS

COMES THROUGH JESUS CHRIST.

HE ALSO FELT HE NEEDED TO

SET SOME THINGS RIGHT.

I NEEDED TO NOT ONLY

RECEIVE FORGIVENESS FROM THE

LORD, BUT TO GO AND ASK FOR

FORGIVENESS FROM MY TWO

EX-WIVES.

AND THAT WAS AN INTERESTING

JOURNEY.

Reporter: HE ALSO ASKED

HIS SON, BRANDON, TO FORGIVE

HIM.

BECAUSE HE FELT LIKE HE HAD

FAILED HIM AS A FATHER.

BUT ELWIN SAYS GOD HAD

ALREADY BEEN AT WORK IN

BRANDON'S HEART.

AND I CAN STILL HEAR HIS

VOICE.

HE SAID, I LOVE YOU.

ALL IS FORGIVEN.

LET'S START OVER.

AND TO ME, IF GOD CAN DO

THAT, THEN GOD CAN DO

ANYTHING.

Reporter: FOR TWO AND A

HALF YEARS, ELWIN CONTINUED

SERVING IN THE CIRCUIT

COURT.

HE REMARRIED.

AND HE AND HIS WIFE FELT IT

WAS TIME TO LEAVE THE

COURT.

AND TODAY HE PASTORS A

CHURCH WITH HIS SON,

BRANDON.

ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS

GOD HAS TOLD ME THROUGHOUT

THIS ENTIRE JOURNEY IS THAT

LIFE IS NOT ABOUT ME.

ABOUT THE PARADOX OF DYING

TO SELF BEFORE YOU CAN

LIVE.

THAT LED ME TO REALIZE THAT,

YOU KNOW, SUCCESS IS NOT

NECESSARILY ABOUT WHERE YOU

ARE, THE POSITION YOU HOLD,

THE MONEY YOU MAKE.

LIFE IS MORE ABOUT

SIGNIFICANCE AND HOW YOU CAN

CRIBILITCONTRIBUTE NOW TO

SOMEONE ELSE'S LIFE.

Pat: AMAZING.

HIS HONOR GOT IT RIGHT.

IT TAKES A TREMENDOUSLY

STRONG PERSON TO SAY I'M THE

ONE THAT'S WRONG.

I'M THE GUILTY ONE.

WASN'T IT SHAKESPEARE THAT

SAID IT IS NOT THE FAULT IN

THE STARS, IT IS THE FAULT

IN OURSELVES.

WHEN WE LOOK AT OURSELVES

AND SAY, I'M GUILTY, I'M A

SINNER, I KILLED JESUS --

IT'S MY FAULT.

I DID IT.

WHEN WE BEGIN TO SAY THAT,

AND THEN WE SUDDENLY FIND

WE'RE FREE BECAUSE WE PUT

THE BLAME WHERE IT IS

SUPPOSED TO BE.

IT IS NOT OUR WIFE'S FAULT

OR OUR CHILDREN'S.

IT'S NOT THE EDUCATORS OR

THE BUSINESSES.

IT IS NOT THE REPUBLICANS OR

THE DEMOCRATS.

IT ISN'T THE CHINESE OR THE

JAPANESE OR WHOEVER.

IT'S US.

IT'S YOU AND ME.

AND WHEN WE CAN LOOK BEFORE

THE LORD AND SAY, GOD, I'M

GUILTY AND YOU DIED FOR ME.

THEN SUDDENLY A FLOOD OF

FORGIVENESS COMES INTO OUR

LIFE AND WE ARE SET FREE.

WE ARE SET FREE.

THE CHAINS BEGIN TO DROP OFF

BECAUSE WE HAVE SAID, YES, I

NEED A SAVIOR.

AND JESUS IS THAT SAVIOR.

AND ONCE WE ESTABLISH THAT

RELATIONSHIP, HE TAKES OVER

AND GOOD THINGS START TO

HAPPEN.

HAVE YOU SURRENDERED TO

HIM.

HAVE YOU ACKNOWLEDGED THAT

THE FAULT IS YOU?

HAVE YOU ACKNOWLEDGED THAT

YOU'RE THE ONE THAT SCREWED

UP YOUR MARRIAGE?

HAVE YOU ACKNOWLEDGED THAT

YOU'RE THE ONE THAT CAUSED

YOUR CHILD TO BE

REBELLIOUS.

ARE YOU THE ONE WHO

ACKNOWLEDGED THAT YOU ARE

THE ONE WHO CAUSED THE

BUSINESS FAILURES?

ONCE YOU SAY YES, ALL OF A

SUDDEN A WHOLE NEW PROCESS

STARTS.

I WANT YOU TO PRAY WITH ME

AND BE HONEST WITH YOURSELF

AND WITH YOUR GOD.

PRAY THESE WORDS.

LORD JESUS -- THAT'S RIGHT,

PRAY.

PRAY OUT LOUD.

PRAY SILENTLY.

LORD JESUS, I LOOK AT MYSELF

AND I REALIZE, LORD, THAT I

AM GUILTY.

IT WAS MY SIN THAT PUT YOU

ON THE CROSS.

IT WAS MY SIN THAT BROUGHT

ABOUT TROUBLE.

IT IS MY FAILURE, AND I

PRAY, LORD, THAT YOU WILL

FORGIVE ME FOR THE SIN THAT

I HAVE COMMITTED AND FOR

WHAT I HAVE DONE.

I ASK YOU, LORD, FOR

FORGIVENESS.

I ASK YOU FOR CLEANSING.

AND NOW, LORD, TAKE OVER MY

LIFE.

AND, LORD, GIVE ME THE

WISDOM AND THE STRENGTH TO

DO THAT WHICH YOU WANT TO

HAVE DONE.

LIVE YOUR LIFE IN ME.

AND FROM THIS MOMENT ON, I

WILL LIVE FOR YOU, AND I

WILL SERVE YOU.

THANK YOU, LORD.

AMEN.

AND AMEN.

IF YOU PRAYED WITH ME JUST

THEN, LET'S GET STARTED

TOGETHER.

I WANT TO GIVE YOU

SOMETHING.

YOU KNOW, YOU SAY I JUST

PRAYED, SO WHAT DO I DO

NEXT?

THAT'S WHY WE DID THIS FOR

YOU.

I'VE GOT A 73-MINUTE COMPACT

DISC.

A C.D. IN HERE.

PUT IT IN YOUR C.D. PLAYER.

MOST PEOPLE HAVE THEM IN

THEIR CARS OR SOMETHING.

YOU CAN PLAY IT WHILE YOU'RE

DRIVING AROUND.

AND I'VE GOT A LITTLE

BOOKLET WITH THE SCRIPTURES

IN IT WITH THE C.D.

AND YOU CAN READ IT AT YOUR

LEISURE, AND YOU CAN SEE

WHAT GOD WANTS YOU TO KNOW.

IF YOU PRAYED WITH ME, YOU

CAN SAY, I'VE JUST BEEN SET

FREE.

CALL IN.

TELL ONE OF THE COUNSELLORS,

I JUST PRAYED WITH PAT.

1-800-759-0700.

IT IS TOLL-FREE.

AND THERE IS NO CHARGE FOR

THIS LITTLE THING.

WE'LL GIVE IT TO YOU FREE.

PLEASE, GO TO YOUR PHONES

AND CALL IN.

WE'RE HERE BECAUSE WE LOVE

YOU.

TERRY?

Terry: WELL, STILL

AHEAD, PAT'S GOING TO ANSWER

YOUR E-MAIL QUESTIONS.

JESSICA SAYS, "IN THE PAST,

I DID YOGA AS PART OF MY

WORKOUT.

I STOPPED AFTER MY

INSTRUCTOR INSISTED WE MAKE

IT A SPIRITUAL EXPERIENCE.

BUT I REALLY MISS IT.

IS IT WRONG FOR A CHRISTIAN

TO DO YOGA?"

STAY TUNED.

"BRING IT ON" IS NEXT.

Lee: WELCOME BACK TO

"THE 700 CLUB."

CHRISTIAN MUSICIAN MATT

REDMOND WON TWO GRAMMYS FOR

HIS SON "10,000 REASONS."

IT WON BEST CONTEMPORARY

CHRISTIAN SONG AND BEST

GOSPEL CONTEMPORARY

CHRISTIAN MUSIC

PERFORMANCE.

AND RAP ARTIST LE CROIX

BECAME THE FIRST CHRISTIAN

HIP-HOP MUSICIAN TO TAKE

HOME A GRAMMY.

HE CO-OWNS REACH RECORDS,

WHICH PRODUCED THE ALBUM,

AND IN A TWEET, HE DEDICATED

HIS GRAMMY TO FANS, SAYING

"TO GOD BE THE GLORY."

CBN IS RESTORING

SMILESAROUNSMILES AROUND

THE WORLD THROUGH

LIFE-SAVING SURGERIES.

IN MANY COUNTRIES, CHILDREN

WITH A CLEFT LIP OR CLEFT

PALLET ARE FORCED TO LIVE

WITH THEIR CONDITION.

BUT CBN PROVIDED SURGERIES

FOR PEOPLE IN ASIA AND

AMERICA, AND LATIN-AMERICA.

ONE PARENT SAID, "I WOULD

LIKE TO THANK CBN.

THANK YOU FOR CHANGING MY

SON'S LIFE.

TO HAVE A BEAUTIFUL SMILE IS

A MIRACLE, AND HE CAN ALSO

EAT AND DRINK PROPERLY."

THANK YOU.

YOU CAN FIND OUT MORE ABOUT

WHAT CBN IS DOING AROUND THE

WORLD BY LOGGING ON TO

CBN.COM/INTERNATIONAL.

PAT AND TERRY WILL BE BACK

WITH MORE OF "THE 700 CLUB"

AFTER THIS.

.

Terry: WE INVITE YOU TO

SEND IN YOUR E-MAIL

QUESTIONS, AND A NUMBER OF

YOU HAVE DONE THAT.

THE FIRST ONE IS FROM

JESSICA, WHO SAYS, "IN THE

PAST I DID YOGA AS PART OF

MY WORKOUT.

I NEVER THOUGHT IT WAS WRONG

UNTIL ONE OF THE INSTRUCTORS

STRESSED MAKING IT QUOTE A

SPIRITUAL EXPERIENCE.

AT THAT POINT I STOPPED

GOING.

I REALLY MISS IT, BUT I

DON'T WANT DEMONIC FORCES IN

MY LIFE.

IS IT WRONG?"

Pat: HERE IS THE DEAL,

THERE ARE REALLY GOOD

STRETCHING EXERCISES

CONNECTED WITH YOGA.

YOU STRETCH AND GET YOUR

MUSCLES ALL LIMBER.

AND THEN YOU CAN DO SOME

HEAVY WORKOUT.

THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH

THAT.

BUT IF YOU DO IT ACCORDING

TO MANY OF THEM, THEY INSIST

ON YOU HAVING WHAT IS CALLED

A MANTRA.

AND SO YOU SAY THINGS, AND

YOU'RE NOT REALIZING YOU'RE

SPEAKING IN HINDI, AND

YOU'RE SPEAKING TO SOME

HINDU GOD.

YOU DON'T WANT TO GET

INVOLVED IN SOME SORT OF

MYSTIC RELATIONSHIP.

AS FAR AS TAKING YOUR HANDS

OVER YOUR HEAD, THERE IS

NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.

BUT BEING INTO THE OCCULT,

YOU DON'T WANT IT.

Terry: SARAH SAYS, "I

AM PARALYZED ON MY LEFT SIDE

FROM A STROKE.

I HAVE ACCEPTED THE FACT

THAT IT IS NOT TIME FOR A

COMPLETE RECOVERY.

BUT IS IT WRONG FOR ME TO

ASK GOD TO WALK BETTER

BECAUSE I HAVE A FEAR OF

FALLING.

I AM THANKFUL FOR THE

PROGRESS I HAVE MADE SO

FAR."

Pat: YOU ARE SO SWEET

AND LOVELY.

GOD REALLY WANTS YOU

HEALED.

BROTHERS, I PRAY THAT YOU

MAY PROSPER AND BE IN HEALTH

AS YOUR SOUL PROSPERS, IS

WHAT JOHN WROTE.

GOD WANTS US ALL TO BE

PAIN-FREE.

HE DOESN'T VISIT PAIN ON

PEOPLE.

THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH

ASKING.

OF COURSE YOU DON'T WANT

TOTAL HEALING, BUT IF YOU

ARE RESIGNED OF PART OF THE

STROKE IS THERE, BUT YOU

WANT TO HAVE A BETTER LIFE

WITH WHAT IS LEFT, BY ALL

MEANS ASK HIM.

GOD LOVES THAT TYPE OF

PRAYER.

Terry: KENNETH WRITES,

"OUR CHURCH IS ON ITS THIRD

MINISTER IN FOUR YEARS.

RECENTLY THE HYMNAL MUSIC IS

GETTING SLOWER AND SLOWER.

I'VE MENTIONED MY CONCERN TO

SOME OF THE OLDER ELDERS,

BUT THEY AREN'T CONCERN

BECAUSE THEY LIKE IT.

THE YOUNGER PEOPLE WANT A

MORE CONTEMPORARY SONG.

SHOULD I TRY TO MAKE A

DIFFERENCE THERE OR JUST

MOVE TO ANOTHER CHURCH?"

Pat: I DON'T ENOUGH TO

TELL YOU, BUT IT IS THE

CLASSES THAT ARE TAKING

PLACE.

I LOVE THE OLD HYMNS.

THERE ARE SOME HYMNS THAT

ARE JUST MAJESTIC, AND THEY

CARRY YOU INTO THE HANDS OF

GOD AND THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL.

AND SOME OF THE CONTEMPORARY

MUSIC IS CACOPHONY AND I

CAN'T STAND IT.

ON THE OTHER HAND, THE

PRAISE AND WORSHIP MUSIC

THAT COMES OUT OF THE RECORD

COMPANIES AND SOME OF THE

MUSICIANS IS JUST FANTASTIC,

AND THE YOUNG PEOPLE WANT TO

RESPOND TO IT.

MOST CHURCHES FACED WITH THE

DILEMMA YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT

SAY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A

SERVICE FOR THE YOUNG

PEOPLE, WITH THE

CONTEMPORARY MUSIC, AND THEN

A SERVICE FOR THE ELDERS.

IF PEOPLE HAVE ANY SENSE,

THAT'S WHAT THEY'LL DO.

OTHER THAN THAT, YOU WANT SO

SAY, I WANT TO BE

COMFORTABLE.

YOU DON'T WANT TO SIT THERE

AND WHILE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO

WORSHIPPING GOD, SAY IF THEY

JUST STOP THIS ORGAN.

Terry: AND FOR THOSE

CHURCHES THAT DON'T HAVE

ENOUGH TO HAVE TWO SERVICES,

COMBINE THE TWO.

Pat: THE OLDER PEOPLE

GET OFFENDED.

AND THEY DON'T WANT THE

YOUNGER MUSIC.

PROBABLY -- IT IS LIKE JESUS

PARABLE THAT YOU DON'T PUT

NEW WINE IN OLD SKINS.

THESE ARE OLD SKINS.

AND IF YOU PUT NEW WINE IN,

THE SKINS WILL BE TORN AND

YOU LOSE IT ALL.

DON'T FIGHT.

YOU MAY HAVE TO GO SOME

PLACE ELSE.

MAYBE YOU COULD HAVE A YOUTH

CHURCH OR SOMETHING.

IF THE OLD PEOPLE WON'T

ACCOMMODATE, YOU PROBABLY

WANT TO GO SOME PLACE WHERE

YOU'RE MORE HAPPY.

Terry: GRACE SAYS, "MY

SISTER AND I HAD A

DISAGREEMENT.

SHE SAID IF GOD IS A LOVING

GOD, HE WOULD FORGIVE THOSE

WHO GOT THE MARK OF THE

BEAST.

I THOUGHT SOMEONE WHO GOT

THE MARK OF THE BEAST IS

PERMANENT.

WHICH IS TRUE?"

Pat: I DON'T THINK IT

IS SOMETHING YOU SHOULD BE

ARGUING ABOUT.

THE TRUTH IS GOD WILL

FORGIVE ANYTHING.

I'M SURE THE SOMEBODY COULD

COME BACK AND SAY I'M

SORRY.

WE HAVE IN THE BIBLE A

SEEMING FEELING THAT ONCE

SOMEBODY SUBMITS TO THE

ANTI-CHRIST SYSTEM, THEY

HAVE TURNED THEIR BACK ON

JESUS AND THERE IS NO COMING

BACK.

I WOULDN'T SPEND YOUR TIME

ARGUE BE ABOUT THAT.

YOU SHOULD SPEND YOUR TIME

SAYING, HOW CAN I PLEASE THE

LORD.

Terry: ANNA SAYS, "HOW

CAN YOU KEEP A SERVANT'S

HEART FROM BECOMING A USED

HEART.

I WANT TO HELP PEOPLE, BUT I

DON'T WANT TO BE TAKEN

ADVANTAGE OF?"

Pat: JESUS CHRIST SET

THE EXAMPLE.

HE TOOK AN OUTER GARMENT

DOWN AND WASHED THE PEOPLE

OF THE DISCIPLES.

IT WAS AN ACT OF HUMILITY.

HE ALSO FOUND EVIL IN THE

TEMPLE, AND HE MADE A WHIP

WITH ROPES, AND WHIPPED THE

MONEY CHANGERS, OVERTURNED

THEIR TABLES, AND DROVE THEM

OUT OF THE TEMPLE.

BOTH OF THEM, JESUS.

SO HE WAS NOT A DOOR MAT.

AND WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE

DOOR MATS.

THERE ARE TIMES WE STAND UP

TO EVIL, AND WE STAND UP TO

OPPRESSION, AND WE TAKE A

STAND.

OTHER TIMES WE'RE YIELDING

SERVANTS FILLED WITH

HUMILITY.

AND JESUS REFLECTED BOTH OF

THEM.

Terry: THIS IS FROM

WANDA WHO SAYS, "I FEEL IT

IS IMPORTANT IN GENERAL FOR

MEN AS WELL AS WOMAN TO WEAR

A WEDDING RING.

SO WHY DOESN'T PAT WEAR

ONE?

I CAN FEEL WHY MECHANICS

MIGHT NOT WANT TO WEAR ONE.

BUT WHY DOESN'T PAT WEAR

ONE?"

Pat: MY DEAR

GRANDFATHER DIDN'T WEAR A

WEDDING RING.

MY WIFE'S FATHER, WHO WAS

MARRIED TO HER MOTHER FOR

DECADES, DIDN'T WEAR A

WEDDING RING.

WE DIDN'T WEAR WEDDING RIN.

RING.

THE TWO-RING CEREMONY

STARTED SOMEWHERE ALONG THE

WAY.

THERE IS NOTHING IN THE

BIBLE THAT TALKS ABOUT A MAN

WEARING A WEDDING RING.

THIS IS CUSTOM.

I CAME FROM A BRANCH OF

CHRISTIANITY WHERE THE

CUSTOM DIDN'T APPLY.

TERRY, DO YOU KNOW ABOUT

THAT?

Terry: MY DAD WORE A

WEDDING RING, BUT I DON'T

KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

Pat: WE HAVE THIS THING

ABOUT THE GUY WHO TAKES HIS

RING OFF AND HE IS GOING TO

TIE UP WITH A HOOKER HE MET

IN A BAR.

A WEDDING RING IS NOT WHAT

KEEPS ME IN LOVE WITH MY

WIFE.

WE HAVE BEEN MARRIED 58

YEARS, AND I NEVER HAVE WORN

A WEDDING RING --

Terry: YOU HAVE NEVER

WORN ONE?

Pat: NO.

BECAUSE WE DIDN'T START OUT

WITH THAT.

IT IS A DOUBLE-RING

CEREMONY, AND WE DIDN'T

START OUT THAT.

WHY DIDN'T I WEAR IT?

BECAUSE MY DADDY DIDN'T WEAR

IT.

MY DADDY SET THE OTHER.

I'M THE DADDY OF FOUR OTHERS

AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY

WEAR A WEDDING RING.

IT IS UP TO THEM.

IT IS A NICE LITTLE

CEREMONY.

THE WOMAN PUTS THE RING ON

THE HUSBAND, AND THE HUSBAND

PUTS IT ON THE WIFE.

IT IS A RECENT ACCRETION TO

THE CEREMONY.

A RECENT ACCRETION.

ESTABLISHMENT THERE

Terry: THERE YOU GO,

WANDA.

UP NEXT, WE'RE GOING TO TELL

YOU ABOUT A PROGRAM THAT IS

FEEDING COMMUNITIES AND

CHANGING LIVES A WORLD

AWAY.

Terry: THEY SAY, IF YOU

GIVE A MAN A FISH, YOU FEED

HIM FOR A DAY.

BUT IF YOU TEACH A MAN TO

FISH, YOU'LL FEED HIM FOR A

LIFETIME.

THAT'S THE PHILOSOPHY BEHIND

HARVEST GARDENS, IT IS A

MINISTRY HELPING TO FEED

VILLAGERS BOTH TODAY AND

TOMORROW.

THAT MINISTRY IS SPORTED IN

PART BY "CATCH THE FIRE,"

RUN BY JON AND CAROL.

IT'S GREAT TO HAVE YOU

BACK.

THANK YOU, TERRY.

IT IS WONDERFUL TO BE HERE.

Terry: TALK A LITTLE

BIT ABOUT HARVEST GARDENS.

WHAT IS THIS?

OKAY.

WELL, IN THE PAST, WE'VE

SUPPORTED MANY, MANY

MISSIONS AND MISSIONARIES,

BUT NEVER REALLY HAD OUR

OWN, SO TO SPEAK.

I FELT STIRRED UP FROM THE

LORD, DIDN'T WE, CAROL?

WE SURE DID.

WE NEEDED TO BE DOING

SOMETHING OUR PEOPLE WOULD

TAKE OWNERSHIP, AND I LOVE

THIS CONCEPT.

FROM A FRIEND OF OURS, NAMED

DEDELL BOLTON, AND HE HAS

ORGANICS FOR ORPHANS.

AND HE DEVELOPED THIS WAY OF

PRODUCING HUGELY IN

GARDENING.

OVER IN AFRICA, THEY HAVE A

SCHOOL, ONE MONTH, THAT

TRAINS PEOPLE HOW TO DO IT.

THEN THEY GO HOME AND START

THEM ALL OVER THE PLACE.

IT IS AMAZING HOW THEY TAKE

TO IT AND SAY, WE CAN DO

THIS.

Terry: THIS IS A

WONDERFUL CONCEPT.

YOU KNOW, PEOPLE IN AMERICA,

WE'RE NOT USED TO HUNGER

BEING A HUGE ISSUE --

CERTAINLY THERE ARE ARE

PEOPLE HERE WHO ARE HUNGRY

IN PARTS OF THE COUNTRY, BUT

IN OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD,

THIS IS LIFE OR DEATH.

IT IS.

AND THEY'RE EATING THINGS

THAT ARE NOT NUTRITIOUS.

SO TEACHING THEM HOW TO GROW

THEIR OWN GARDENS, BE

SELF-SUFFICIENT.

NOT ONLY THAT, THEY'RE

EATING WONDERFUL NUTRIENTS

AND ENZYMES, LIVE FOOD.

THEY'VE GOT SMOOTHIES AND

THEY HAVE NEVER HAD THEM

BEFORE.

THEY'RE ABSOLUTELY

LEARNING THIS AND IT IS

CHANGING.

WHEN THEY GET MALARIA NOW,

THEY ONLY GET IT, A MILD,

MILD FEVER --

Terry: BECAUSE YOU'RE

BUILDING THE IMMUNE SYSTEM

IN A VERY NATURAL SYSTEM.

AND EVEN AIDS THEY'RE

SEEING TURNED AROUND BY

HAVING ALL OF THIS GREEN

FOOD.

Terry: I KNOW YOU

WANTED SOMETHING THAT THE

PEOPLE WHO ARE PART OF YOUR

MINISTRY COULD GRAB ON TO

AND MOVE FORWARD.

WE'RE ALL SUPPOSED TO DO

THAT, AREN'T WE?

I THINK THAT WE ARE.

YEAH.

REMEMBER THE POOR AND THE

WIDOWS AND ALL OF THAT.

AND SO MANY THOUSANDS DIE OF

HUNGER IN AFRICA, AND MANY

MORE OF DISEASE.

BUT IT ISN'T JUST AFRICA.

IT IS INDIA AND

LATIN-AMERICA.

Terry: MANY SMALLER

COUNTRIES?

RIGHT.

SO THIS, I THINK, IS A KEY.

BECAUSE ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY

CAN HAVE ORGANIC GARDENING

WHICH GIVES THEM THE FOOD

THEY NEED, AND EVEN AN

INCOME.

Terry: YOU SAID THE

LORD SPOKE TO YOU ABOUT THE

POOR, JOHN.

WHAT DID GOD SPEAK TO YOUR

HEART?

HE REMINDED ME FROM

MATTHEWS' GOSPEL, BECAUSE

YOU DID IT NOT UNTO THE

LEAST OF THESE, YOU DID IT

NOT UNTO ME.

AND BECAUSE YOU DID IT,

THEREFORE IT IS UNTO THE

LORD.

WE'VE BEEN PREACHING THIS

FOR A LONG TIME, GOD LOVES

YOU.

AND HE CARES ABOUT YOU.

HE CARES ABOUT YOUR

ILLNESS.

HE CARES ABOUT YOUR

PROBLEMS.

HOW MUCH MORE DOES HE CARE

ABOUT PEOPLE WHO DON'T EVEN

HAVE ENOUGH TO EAT.

SO WE THINK THIS IS A

SIMPLE, INEXPENSIVE FIX

BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN

FEED ONE CHILD FOR SOMETHING

LIKE BETWEEN $45 AND $55 A

MONTH.

FOR ALMOST THAT AMOUNT OF

MONEY, YOU CAN FEED 50

PEOPLE.

Terry: UNBELIEVABLE.

ISN'T THAT INCREDIBLE?

Terry: AND PEOPLE

TODAY, CAROL, I THINK ARE

LOOKING FOR SOMETHING TO

INVEST THEMSELVES IN, WHERE

THEY KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING

WITH THEIR GIVING AND

SOMETHING THAT MATTERS.

I WANT TO MENTION YOU'VE GOT

A BIG ANNIVERSARY COMING UP

WITH "CATCH THE FIRE."

AND YOU'VE GOT BIG PLANS.

TELL US WHAT IS HAPPENING?

IT IS GREAT.

A 20-YEAR CELEBRATION OF THE

VERY FIRST TIME THE HOLY

SPIRIT CAME AND JUST IGNITED

US.

AND HE HAS NEVER LEFT.

IT IS CONTINUING RIGHT UP

UNTIL THIS DAY.

WE'RE INTO OUR 20th YEAR.

Terry: IN 2014, YOU'RE

DOING SOME SPECIAL

RECOGNITION?

IN 2013, WE HAVE THE

20th "CATCH THE FIRE"

CONFERENCE.

AND WE HAVE ALL OF THE

ORIGINALS, MIKE AND RANDY

AND DAVID, EVERYONE WHO WAS

WITH US 20 YEARS AGO.

IT IS GOING TO BE REALLY

FUN.

AND THE ACTUALLY

ANNIVERSARY IS IN JANUARY,

THE 20th OF NEXT YEAR, SO

IT IS NINE MONTHS AWAY --

SORRY, 11 MONTHS AWAY.

IT IS GOING TO BE AMAZING.

Terry: YOU HAVE TO KEEP

US POSTED SO WE CAN LET ALL

OUR VIEWERS KNOW.

HAPPY ANNIVERSARY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

Terry: IT'S GREAT TO

HAVE YOU HERE.

THANKS FOR COMING.

PAT?

Pat: GREAT PEOPLE AND A

GREAT MINISTRY.

WE LEAVE YOU WITH THESE

WORDS FROM PSALM 56: "CAST

YOUR BURDEN ON THE LORD AND

HE SHALL SUSTAIN YOU."

SEE YOU TOMORROW.

BYE-BYE.

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