COURT IS IN SESSION.
ALL RISE.
Lee: WITH A JUDGE WHO
KNOWS HOW TO CUT CORNERS.
AND IT BECAME A GAME TO
ME.
Lee: HOW HE ROSE TO THE
TOP.
IF I KNOW THE GAME, IF I
KNOW THE RULES, I CAN PASS,
AND I DID.
Lee: AND WHY HE LEFT
THE BENCH?
JUST FALLING APART.
WHAT DO I DO?
*
Pat: WELCOME TO THIS
EDITION OF "THE 700 CLUB."
IT'S BEEN 600 YEARS SINCE A
POPE RESIGNED, AND WE'VE GOT
THAT STORY.
YOU'LL FIND IT AMAZING.
AND WE ALSO HAVE REPORTS OUT
OF ENGLAND THAT THERE IS AN
ASTEROID COMING TOWARDS
EARTH.
IT IS 150 FEET, BUT IT HAS
THE SAME POWER THAT
FLATTENED THE TREES IN
TANGESTA IN SIBERIA, AND
THAT WILL BE HITTING ABOUT
2:00 ON FRIDAY, BUT IT MAY
KNOCK OUT SOME SATELLITE
TRANSMISSION, BUT THEY DON'T
THINK IT COULD HIT EARTH.
IT COULD WIPE OUT NEW YORK
OR LONDON IF IT HITS.
Terry: GOOD GRIEF.
Pat: 150 FEET, THAT'S
ALL.
Terry: BUT THEY'RE
SAYING IT IS NOT --
Pat: THEY'RE SAYING IT
IS GOING TO COME INTO THE
AREA WHERE WE HAVE OUR
SATELLITES, AND IT COULD HIT
A SATELLITE.
INTERESTING.
Terry: HAVE AN IMPACT.
SPEAKING OF IMPACT --
Pat: WE LOVE HIM.
THIS MAN IS A GREAT LIBERAL
SCHOLAR.
I WAS FASCINATED BY HIS BOOK
"JESUS OF NAZARETH," AND IT
WAS SO BIBLICALLY ACCURATE
AND WELL-DONE.
BUT POPE BENEDICT XVI SAYS
HIS HEALTH WON'T STAND THE
DUTIES OF OFFICE ANYMORE.
HE IS GOING TO RESIGN AT THE
END OF THE MONTH.
AGAIN, AS I SAID EARLIER, IT
IS THE FIRST TIME IN 600
YEARS THAT A SITTING POPE
HAS STEPPED DOWN.
Terry: AND NOW THE
CATHOLIC CHURCH WILL BEGIN
THE PROCESS OF FINDING A NEW
LEADER.
Reporter: AT 85 YEARS
OLD, POPE BENEDICT XVI SAYS
HE NO LONGER FEELS HE CAN
ADEQUATELY DO THE JOB
ENTRUSTED TO HIM.
IN A STATEMENT HE COMPLAINED
EXPLAINED HIS REASONS FOR
STEPPING DOWN "AFTER HAVING
REPEATEDLY EXAMINED NI
CONSCIOUS BEFORE GOD, MY
HEALTH IS NO LONGER SUITED
TO AN EXERCISE OF THE
PATRINE MINISTRY."
HE WAS 78 YEARS OLD AT THE
TIME, AND HAD BEEN PLANNING
TO RETIRE AS THE VATICAN'S
CHIEF ORTHODOXI WATCHDOG TO
SPEND HIS FINAL YEARS
WRITING.
HIS TIME AS THE LEADER OF
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS
INCLUDED A SERIES OF
SCANDALS AND CONTROVERSY.
IN 2008, HE ADDRESSED THE
SEX ABUSE CRISIS IN THE
CATHOLIC CHURCH, MEETING
PRIVATELY WITH THE VICTIMS
OF PEDOPHILE PRIESTS, AND HE
OPPOSED GAY MARRIAGE, AND
ALLOWING THE PRIESTS TO
MARRY.
ALL CARDINALS UNDER THE AGE
OF 80 WILL NOW GATHER TO
VOTE IN THE CONCLAVE.
HELD IN THE SISTINE CHAPEL.
A SPOKESPERSON FOR THE
VATICAN SAYS THAT DECISION
IS EXPECTED BY THE END OF
MARCH.
CHARLENE ISRAEL, CBN NEWS.
Pat: I AM SAD.
I'M NOT A ROMAN CATHOLIC,
BUT WE ALL LOVE POPE JOHN
PAUL II, AND HE DIDN'T
RESIGN.
HE DIED.
AND THIS ONE HAS BEEN A
SUBURB LEADER AND A GREAT
SCHOLAR, AND NEEDLESS TO
SAY, WE WILL MISS HIM.
TERRY, I MIGHT SAY IN HIS
ADVANCED AGE, HE IS ABOUT
TWO YEARS OLDER THAN I AM.
Terry: I ADMIRE HIS
DECISION.
Pat: MAYBE IT IS TIME
FOR ME TO --
Terry: I'M NOT GOING
THERE.
Pat: BUT YOU NEVER
KNOW.
ALL RIGHT, HERE AT HOME,
FOLKS, ANOTHER SNOWSTORM HIT
THIS WEEKEND JUST AS THE
NORTHEAST IS DIGGING OUT
FROM THEIR HISTORIC
BLIZZARD.
THREE FEET.
HAMDEN, CONNECTICUT, HAD,
WHAT, 50 INCHES OF SNOW.
IT WAS UNBELIEVABLE.
LEE WEBB HAS THAT STORY FROM
THE CBN NEWS ROOM.
LEE?
Lee: PAT, THAT SECOND
SNOWSTORM THAT YOU MENTIONED
HIT THE NORTHERN PLAIN
STATES, INCLUDING
MINNESOTA.
IT FOLLOWS THE MONSTER STORM
THAT POUNDED NEW ENGLAND
THIS WEEKEND.
PARTS OF THE NORTHEAST
RECEIVED MORE THAN THREE
FEET OF SNOW, AS YOU
MENTIONED, PAT, AND MILLIONS
CONTINUE TO DIG OUT AND
THOUSANDS ARE STILL WITHOUT
POWER.
MARK MARTIN HAS THE STORY.
Reporter: TAKE A LOOK
AT THE STRONG WINDS WHIPPING
TO HEAVY SNOW AND ICE IN
MINNESOTA.
GUSTS UP TO 50 MILES PER
HOUR AND HIGHER SWEPT ACROSS
THE REGION, AND LED TO
WHITEOUT CONDITIONS AND
TREACHEROUS TRAVEL.
MEANWHILE, THE MONSTER
BLIZZARD IN THE NORTHEAST
BROUGHT SOME OF THE HIGHEST
SNOW ACCUMULATIONS EVER
RECORDED.
IT IS BLAMED FOR AT LEAST 15
DEATHS IN THE U.S. AND
CANADA.
CLEANUP CONTINUES.
IT IS GOING TO TAKE DAYS TO
RECOVER.
IT IS HORRIBLE.
WHEN YOU DO SHOVEL YOUR
DRIVEWAY, THE PLOWS COME AND
PUT IT BACK.
Reporter: UTILITY CREWS
ARE WORKING ROUND-THE-CLOCK
TO RESTORE POWER.
ABOUT 80,000 COSTUMERS ARE
STILL WITHOUT ELECTRIC.
WE HAVE NO POWER, NO
NOTHING.
Reporter: AFTER CLOSE
TO THREE FEET OF SNOW.
AT THE HEIGHT OF THE STORM,
SOME DRIVERS HAD TO ABANDON
THEIR CARS.
OTHERS SPENDER THOTHERS
SPENT THE NIGHT ON THE
ROADWAY.
I GOT THROUGH THE NIGHT,
WHICH IS STARTED THE CAR
EVERY 40 MINUTES TO GET SOME
HEAT.
Reporter: DRIVING BANS
PUT IN PLACE DOING THE SNOW
HAVE BEEN LIFTED.
BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER.
SNOW H HAS BURIED SOME
CARS.
I HAD TO CALL WORK AND
SAID I COULD NOT COME TO
WORK.
Reporter: IN HARD-HIT
BOSTON, SCHOOLS ARE CLOSED
TODAY.
WE OPENED SOME SMALL
COMMUNITY CENTERS FOR KIDS
AND PARENTS TO GO TO IF THEY
WANT.
Reporter: NORTHEAST
AIRPORTS ARE APPARENTLY MORE
THAN NORMAL SCHEDULES.
MORE THAN 5,000 FLIGHTS WERE
CANCELLED AT THE HEIGHT OF
THE STORM.
MARK MARTIN, CBN NEWS.
Lee: SPRING CAN'T COME
SOON ENOUGH UP MR, PAT.
Pat: IT SURE CAN'T.
I THINK WE SHOULD PRAY FOR
THEM.
SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE
LOST POWER, THEY'RE IN
FREEZING COLD TEMPERATURES
AND WIND BLOWING.
HOPEFULLY THEY HAVE SOME
WARM CLOTHES AND HEAT.
WE HAD SOME EMERGENCY
CALLS.
THE CRAZY CHEFS WAS ASKED,
WHERE THEY HAVE HELPED
BEFORE, AND THEY SAID WE'RE
DESPERATE, AND PEOPLE ARE
DESPERATE.
SO RELIEF SUPPLIES ARE ON
THE WAY.
BUT THERE IS STILL SOME
PEOPLE SUFFERING.
THERE IS ONE BOY WHO DIED.
IT'S A SHAME.
HE WAS IN A CAR, AND THE
EXHAUST PIPES OF THE CAR
WERE UP AGAINST THE FUMES,
AND HE GOT KILLED.
HE DIDN'T REALIZE WHAT WAS
HAPPENING TO HIM.
LEE, I THINK MORE OF IT IS
COME, ISN'T IT?
Lee: THAT'S RIGHT,
PAT.
ANOTHER WEATHER SYSTEM IN
THE GULF COAST RESPONDED
TORNADOES IN HATTISBURG,
MISSISSIPPI.
IT CAUSED DAMAGE AT TH AT
THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTHERN
MISSISSIPPI.
THEY ASKED ANYONE ON CAMPUS
TO STAY AWAY.
THE GOVERNOR IS VISITING
HATTISBURG TO SURVEY THE
DAMAGE.
A LEADING REPUBLICAN SENATOR
SAYS HE WILL HOLD UP
PRESIDENT OBAMA'S NOMINEES
TO HEAD UP THE PENTAGON AND
THE C.I.A.
LINDSEY GRAHAM SAYS HE WILL
DELAY THE NOMINEES UNTIL THE
WHITE HOUSE PROVIDES MORE
INFORMATION ON THE ATTACK ON
THE U.S. CONSULATE IN
BENGHAZI LAST SEPTEMBER.
HE ACCUSES THE
ADMINISTRATION OF
STONEWALLING THE REQUESTS.
GRAHAM PROMISES TO GET TO
THE BOTTOM OF BENGHAZI,
PAT.
Pat: THEY HAVE THE
PRIVILEGED OF PUTTING
SOMETHING ON HOLD.
BUT BACK TO HAGEL AGAIN, IT
ISN'T SO MUCH HIS VIEWS ON
SEVERAL HOT TOPICS, WHICH
EVERYBODY SEEMS TO POINT
TO.
IT IS HIS COMPETENCY TO RUN
ONE OF THE LARGEST
CORPORATIONS IN THE WORLD
WITH HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS
OF PERSONNEL.
IT IS A GIGANTIC EFFORT, AND
HE HAS NEVER DONE ANYTHING
LIKE THIS IN HIS LIFE.
I THINK WE OUGHT TO LOOK FOR
COMPETENCY.
I DON'T THINK OBAMA HAS DONE
THAT.
HE HAS IDEOLOGICAL PURECY IN
HIS IDEA.
Lee: THE DEBATE HAS
GONE ON FOR DECADES: IS IT
OKAY FOR PRESIDENTS TO MIX
RELIGION AND POLITICS?
A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL SAY IT
DEPENDS ON WHO'S RELIGION
AND WHO'S POLITICS.
HEATHER CELLS HAD SOME VERY
HARD POSITIONS.
Reporter: THE EIGHTH
REAGAN SYMPOSIUM TOOK ON TWO
TOPICS, RELIGION AND
POLITICS.
BUT THE EXPERTS EXPLAINED
THAT IS GOOD REASON FOR
PRESIDENTS TO SPEAK TO
ISSUES OF FAITH.
WHEN PRESIDENTS SPEAK,
THEY WANT TO SPEAK TO THEIR
AUDIENCE AND AT A LEVEL
THEIR AUDIENCE CAN RELATE
TO.
IT RESONATES TO PEOPLE
WE'RE NOT JUST SQUABBLING
ABOUT TAXES AND THAT SORT OF
THING, BUT THAT WE HAVE A
COMMON PURPOSE TOGETHER.
Reporter: ONE OF THE
MOST EFFECTIVE USES OF
RELIGION IN POLITICS CAME IN
PRESIDENT RA REAGAN'S
EMPIRE SPEECH, WHERE HE
EXPLAINED THE COLD WAR IN
MORAL TERMS, AND HELPED
BRING DOWN THE SOVIET
UNION.
THEY ARE THE MODERN EVIL
IN LIFE.
SOMETIMES WORDS AS
WEAPONS CAN BE MORE POWERFUL
THAN ANY FLEET OF CRUISE
MISSILES OR NAVY SHIPS.
Reporter: AT THE TIME,
IN 1983, MANY PEOPLE IN THE
MEDIA BASHED THE SPEECH AS
RELIGIOUS BIGOTRY.
BUT IN THE END, IT HELPED TO
HASTEN THE FALL OF THE
SOVIET EMPIRE.
BUT SOME AGREE THAT THE
PRESIDENTIAL USE OF RELIGION
MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE.
WHEN I SEE IT BASED ON
SELECTIVE INTERPRETATION OF
SCRIPTURE OR MISLEADING
INTERPRETATION OF THE
SCRIPTURE.
WE NEED TO RELIES OUR
PRESIDENTS ARE LAYMAN WHEN
IT COMES TO THE BIBLE.
HE HAS A LOT OF
EXPERIENCE IN THE CHURCH.
HE IS VERY COMFORTABLE WITH
RELIGIOUS LANGUAGE.
I REMEMBER ON THE 10th
ANNIVERSARY OF 9/11, HE READ
PSALM 46.
Reporter: BUT THEY NOTE
THE PRESIDENT'S POLICIES
THAT THEY SAY THAT RESTRICT
RELIGIOUS LIBILITY LIBERTY,
REFLECT HIS DEEP RELIGIOUS
FAITH.
THEY SHOULD ALSO BE PREPARED
FOR SOME CHANGE.
THE AMERICAN POPULATION
DIVERSE FIS DIFFERSFIES,
YOU WILL SEE MORE
DIVERSITY.
Reporter: ONE THING
WHICH MAY NOT CHANGE IS THE
DEPENDS OF THE OVAL OFFICE,
WHICH OVER TIME INVITE
PRESIDENTS TO SEEK HELP.
AT SOME POINT, THE JOB
BECOMES SO DEMANDING, YOU'VE
GOT TO LOOK OUTSIDE
YOURSELF.
AND FOR EVER PRESIDENT, THEY
LOOKED UPWARDS.
Lee: THE BIRTH RATE
CAME IN 12.7 BIRTHS FOR
EVERY 1,000 PEOPLE.
THE NUMBER OF TEEN NUMBERS
SET A RECORD LOW, AND WOMEN
IN THEIR 20s ALSO HAD
FEWER BIRTHS.
BUT BIRTH RATES ROSE FOR
WOMEN 35 TO 44.
RESEARCHERS SAY THE WEAK
ECONOMY IS ONE REASON FEWER
WOMEN ARE HAVING BABIES.
BUT, PAT, THE NUMBERS
REFLECT A LONG-TERM TREND IN
THE U.S. TOWARDS SMALLER
FAMILIES.
Pat: IF YOU RECALL, THE
FEMINIST MOVEMENT, LEE,
BETTY FERDAN AND OTHERS,
WERE TALKING ABOUT BRINGING
DOWN THE "F"ING PATRIARCH.
AND YOUNG WOMEN IN COLLEGE
WERE TOLD THAT MARRIAGE AND
CHILD BEARING IS DEMEANING,
AND THEIR MAIN GOAL SHOULD
BE SUCCESSFUL CAREER PEOPLE
AND COMPETE WITH MEN.
THAT HAS BEEN REFLECTED NOT
ONLY IN THE UNITED STATES,
BUT IN MOST OF THE WESTERN
NATIONS.
WE HAVE AN AUTHOR WITH US
WHO HAS WRITTEN AN
INTRIGUING BOOK "WHAT TO
EXPECT WHEN NO ONE IS
EXPECTING."
COMING UP, TERRY IS GOING TO
TELL US ABOUT IT.
Terry: IT IS A LOOMING
DISASTER THAT COULD ACTUALLY
DESTROY OUR COUNTRY, AND IT
IS A PROBLEM THAT NO ONE IS
REALLY EXPECTING.
HEAR MORE ABOUT IT.
THAT'S NEXT.
Pat: WE READ TODAY --
AT LEAST I READ TODAY --
THAT CHINA HAS NOW SURPASSED
THE UNITED STATES IN TERMS
OF TOTAL EXPORTS.
THE GROSS DOMESTIC PRODUCT
OF CHINA IS ABOUT
$7.2 TRILLION.
THE UNITE UNITED STATES IS
ABOUT $15 TRILLION.
SO WE'RE TWICE AS LARGE AN
ECONOMY, AND YET THEIR
EXPORTS ARE BIGGER THAN
OURS, NUMBER ONE IN THE
WORLD.
YOU SAY THE BIGGEST THREAT
FACING AMERICA IS CHINA.
ACCORDING TO OUR NEXT GUEST,
THE BIGGEST THREAT FACING
AMERICAN MAY NOT BE CHINA OR
TERRORISM OR ANY FOREIGN
COUNTRY, OR EVEN OUR
NATIONAL DEBT.
THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WE FACE,
HE SAYS, IS SOMETHING FROM
OUR OWN HOMES.
TAKE A LOOK.
FOR YEARS WE'VE BEEN
WARNED, THERE ARE ARE TOO
MANY PEOPLE IN THE WORLD.
THAT WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF
LAND, FOOD, AND EVERYTHING
ELSE NEEDED TO SUSTAIN AN
OVERPOPULATED PLANET.
BUT AUTHOR JONATHAN LEST
SAYS THE BIGGEST CRISIS
FACING THE UNITED STATES AND
THE WORLD IS JUST THE
OPPOSITE.
HE HAS WRITTEN THE BOOK
CALLED "WHAT TO EXPECT WHEN
NO ONE IS EXPECTING."
LEST SAYS THE GREATEST
THREAT TO LIFE IN AMERICA IS
US AND OUR COLLECTIVE
UNWILLINGNESS TO HAVE MORE
KIDS.
HE SAYS THAT UNLESS WE
CHANGE OUR VIEWS ABOUT THE
VALUE OF RAISING CHILDREN,
AMERICA FACES A BLEAK
FUTURE.
DISEASE, WAR, AND ECONOMIC
COLLAPSE ARE ALL ON THE
HORIZON AS THE FERTILITY
RATE PLUMMETS AND OUR
POPULATION DECLINES.
Pat: WELL, WE'VE GOT
THE AUTHOR OF AN INTRIGUING
BOOK, "WHAT TO EXPECT TO
WHEN NO ONE IS EXPECTING,
AMERICA'S COMING DEMOGRAPHIC
DISASTER."
JONATHAN LEST JOINS US FROM
WASHINGTON.
GOOD TO HAVE YOU.
I WAS INTERESTING IN READING
YOUR BOOK.
I WANT TO TAKE ISSUE IN ONE
THING, I'M A FATHER OF FOUR,
AND WHEN WE WERE HAVING
LITTLE CHILDREN GROWING UP,
IT WAS A REAL PLEASURE.
SURE, IT COSTS A LOT OF
MONEY, BUT YOU MAKE IT SOUND
ENORMOUSLY EXPENSIVE.
IF WE TOTAL UP ALL OF THE
COSTS INCLUDING COLLEGE AND
MISSING WAGES AND CHILD
CARE, IT COSTS THE AVERAGE
MIDDLE-CLASS COUPLE OVER A
MILLION DOLLARS TO RAISE A
CHILD.
IT IS LIKE BUYING FIVE
HOUSES ALL AT ONCE.
THIS COST HAS INCREASED A
LOT SINCE 1965.
THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS
PEOPLE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO
HAVE AS MANY CHILDREN AS
THEY WANT TO.
Pat: ALL RIGHT.
LET'S GO TO SOME FIGURES.
WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE TO
SUSTAIN THE POPULATION.
IS IT 2.1 BIRTHS PER
THOUSAND.
2.1 BIRTHS PER WOMAN, PER
LIFE.
Pat: PER WOMAN.
Reporter: THE AVERAGE
NEEDS TO HAVE 2.1 WOMEN OVER
YOUR LIFETIME TO KEEP THE
POPULATION STABLE.
WHAT DEMOGRAPHERS CALL THE
REPLACE RATE.
Pat: THERE WAS A
PSYCHOLOGIST IN NEW ENGLAND
WHO WAS PROMINENT, AND SHE
JUMPED ALL OVER ME AND SHE
SAID, MR MR. ROBERTS SEEMS
TO THINK THE WOMAN'S WOMB IS
A NATIONAL RESOURCE.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING?
NO, NOT AT ALL.
THE WORLD HAS CHANGED, AND A
LOT OF WOMEN AND MEN WHO DO
NOT WANT TO HAVE CHILDREN.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I
DISCOVERED WRITING THIS
BOOK, WHEN DEMOGRAPHERS TALK
ABOUT THE IDEAL AMOUNT THE
PEOPLE IN AMERICA WANT TO
HAVE.
AND IN AMERICA, THAT NUMBER
IS 2.5.
SO DESPITE ALL OF THE TALK
ABOUT MEN NOT WANTING THIS
AND WOMEN NOT WANTING THIS,
THE TRUTH IS AMERICANS STILL
WANT BIGGER FAMILIES, BUT
THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO
HAVE THEM.
THE GAP BETWEEN OUR REAL
FERT-ELEC FERTILITY AND OUR
IDEAL FERTILITY EXPLAINS THE
GAP BETWEEN PEOPLE HAVING
THE FAMILIES THEY WANT.
Pat: JONATHAN, WHAT
WILL HAPPEN IF WE AS A
NATION DOES NOT KEEP THE
REPLACEMENT RATE GOING.
WHAT HAPPENS?
ALL SORTS OF BAD THINGS
HAPPEN, AND SOME ARE
OBVIOUS.
YOU WOULD EXPECT OUR
ENTITLEMENT PROGRAMS,
MEDICARE AND SOCIAL SECURITY
BECOME VERY DIFFICULT TO
MAINTAIN.
BECAUSE YOU HAVE TOO MANY
PEOPLE RETIRING AND NOT
ENOUGH YOUNGER WORKERS.
AND IT BECOMES VERY HARD TO
SUSTAIN A DYNAMIC ECONOMY.
THE CONSUMPTION SHIFTS
DOWNWARD.
INNOVATION DRIES UP, AND
CAPITAL POOLS BEGAN TO
SHIFT, BECAUSE HAVE HAVE
OLDER PEOPLE LOOKING TO USE
THEIR CAPITAL, AND NOT
ENOUGH YOUNGER PEOPLE.
AND THERE IS JUST THE
MONEY.
YOU'RE SHIFTING OUT YOUR
MONEY FROM THE PENTAGON OVER
TO THE SOCIAL SECURITY
OFFICE.
AND JUST IN TERMS OF HAVING
THE PEOPLE OF MILITARY AGE,
18 TO 24.
THERE AREN'T ENOUGH OF THEM
TO FIELD A MILITARY.
Pat: GIVE US SOME OF
THE HORROR STORIES.
EUROPE AND JAPAN.
THINK ABOUT JAPAN.
REMEMBER IN THE 1980s,
WHEN WE WERE GOING TO ALL
WORK FOR THE JAPANESE.
AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT
HOW WE WERE GOING TO HAVE TO
TEACH ALL OF OUR KIDS IN THE
PUBLIC SCHOOLS HOW TO SPEAK
JAPANESE IF THEY WERE GOING
TO EARN A LIVING.
THE DEMOGRAPHERS WERE
WARNING THE JAPANESE PEOPLE
THEIR FERTILITY RATE WAS SO
LOW.
AND JAPAN WENT INTO THIS
ENORMOUS RECESSION.
THE JAPANESE CALLED IT THE
LOST DECADE, BUT IT IS STILL
GOING TODAY.
BOTH ECONOMISTS AND
DEMOGRAPHERS IN JAPAN SAY IT
IS ALL BECAUSE OF THEIR
FERTILITY RATE.
THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO SUSTAIN
THEIR HUMAN CAPITAL.
JAPAN IS GOING TO LOSE A
LITTLE MORE THAN 50% OF ITS
ENTIRE POPULATION IN THE
NEXT CENTURY.
Pat: WHY?
I WAS STATIONED IN JAPAN
DURING THE KOREAN WAR.
I DIDN'T SEE THE JAPANESE
PEOPLE UNWILLING TO HAVE SEX
WITH EACH OTHER.
WHAT'S THE DEAL?
WHY DON'T THEY WANT TO
HAVE BABIES?
PART OF IT IS
UNWILLINGNESS TO HAVE SEX.
THERE WAS A SURVEY A WHILE
AGO, AND BOYS BETWEEN 15 AND
19 THOUGHT EVEN THE IDEA OF
SEX WITH A WOMAN WAS
DISGUSTING TO THEM.
THIS IS THE FIRST COUNTRY IN
THE WORLD WHERE YOU HAVE
TEENAGED BOYS WHO THINK LIKE
THAT.
AND THE OTHER PART OF WHAT
HAPPENED IN JAPAN IS THEIR
MARRIAGE CULTURE HAS
SUFFERED.
THE RATES OF MARRIAGE IN
JAPAN HAS FALLEN DRAMATICSLY
OVE DRAMATICALLY OVER THE
PAST FEW YEARS AND DIVORCE
HAS RISEN.
Pat: 50 YEARS AGO,
EUROPE DOMINATED, AND IT
SLSHUNK, AND IS THAT THE
RESULT OF NOT HAVING
BABIES?
IT IS.
THEY'VE HAD LONG-STANDING
PLANS TO RAISE THEIR
FERTILITY RATE, AND THEY
HAVE SUCCEEDED A LITTLE, AND
WHAT HAS HELPED IS THE
MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF
IMMIGRATION FROM NORTHERN
AFRICA.
GERMANY IS ALREADYLIZING
ALREADY LOSING POPULATION.
THEY HAVE GONE FROM FIGURING
OUT HOW TO BUILD CITIES INTO
TURNING OUT HOW TO DOWN SIZE
THEIR CITIES, AND THEY NOW
STUDY HOW DO YOU TAKE OUT
CITY BLOCKS.
YOU HAVE PACKS OF WOLVES
RETURNING TO TOWNS IN EAST
GERMANY WHERE THEY HAVEN'T
BEEN IN 400 YEARS BECAUSE
THERE JUST ISN'T ENOUGH
PEOPLE AROUND TO GET TO STAY
OUT IN THE WOODS.
YOU CAN GENERALLY HAVE TWO
TYPES OF POLICIES.
YOU HAVE LIBERAL POLICIES,
LIKE IN FRANCE AND
SCANDINAVIA, WHICH SURROUND
STATE-RUN DAYCARE CENTERS TO
HELP MOTHERS WORK MORE.
AND YOU HAVE THINGS LIKE TAX
INCENTIVES, WHICH YOU SEE IN
SINGAPORE AND JAPAN.
AND THE TRUTH IS NEITHER OF
THEM HAVE BEEN PARTICULARLY
EFFECTIVE.
IT IS REALLY HARD RAISING A
CHILD.
IT IS REALLY HARD HAVING A
FAMILY.
THESE LITTLE INCENTIVES AND
NUDGES AREN'T GOING TO DO
IT.
FORGET THE GOVERNMENT, YOU
HAVE TO WORK ON CHANGING THE
CULTURE.
CHANGE OUR ATTITUDES TOWARDS
FAMILIES AND HELP THEM
REALIZE FAMILIES ARE
IMPORTANT.
THEY'RE IMPORTANT NOUT AND
IN THE FUTURE.
Pat: WE FOUND OUT THAT
RELIGIOUS BELIEF PLAYS A BIG
PART IN THIS.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE A BELIEF IN
A FUTURE.
YOU DIDN'T ADDRESS THAT VERY
MUCH IN YOUR BOOK, DID YOU?
OR DID YOU?
I DO.
I TALK ABOUT IT IN THE BOOK
BECAUSE IT IS FASCINATING.
DEMOGRAPHERS HAVE STUDIED
RELIGIOUS BELIEF AND IT'S
EFFECT ON FERTILITY.
THE CATHOLICS HAD MORE
BABIES IN GENERAL THAN THE
PROTESTANTS DID, AND THE
PROTESTANTS HAD MORE BABIES
THAN THE JEWS DID.
BEGINNING IN THE 1950S AND
1960S, THOUGH SECTARIAN
DIFFERENCES BEGAN TO SLIP.
AND NOW WE SEE THERE IS
ALMOST NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
THE RELIGIOUS SECT, BUT IN
THE RELIGIOUS PRACTICE.
IT IS NOT WHAT YOU BELIEVE
BUT HOW OFTEN YOU GO TO
CHURCHES.
IF YOU GO EVERY MONTH, YOUR
FERTILITY RATE IS HIGHER.
THE PEOPLE WITH THE HIGHEST
FERTILITY RATE ARE THE
PEOPLE WHO GO TO CHURCH
SERVICES ONCE A WEEK.
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT
RELIGION YOU ARE.
YOU CAN BE PROTESTANT,
CATHOLIC, JEW.
IF YOU SHOW UP AT CHURCH
EVERY WEEK, THAT'S WHAT IT
IS, BELIEVING IN SOMETHING
BIGGER THAN WE ARE RIGHT
HERE AND RIGHT NOW.
Pat: JONATHAN, THANK
YOU VERY MUCH.
HIS BOOK IS CALLED "WHAT TO
EXPECT WHEN NO ONE IS
EXPECTING."
IT IS VERY INTRIGUING.
I THINK YOU'LL FIND IT A
VERY GOOD READ.
YOU CAN GET IT WHERE BOOKS
ARE SOLD.
FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE
EVANGELICALS, I WANT TO TELL
YOU THERE IS HOPE.
YOU CAN OUTBREED THOSE
OTHERS WHO DON'T AGREE WITH
YOU.
THE MUSLIMS ARE CERTAINLY
DOING IT.
THEY HAVE, LIKE, SEVEN KIDS
PER FAMILY.
Terry: THAT'S TRUE.
A LOT OF THOSE COUNTRIES IN
EUROPE --
Pat: I DON'T THINK IT
HAS WORKED IN IRELAND.
IT IS AN INTRIGUING THING.
HE GOES DOWN THE LIST OF THE
COUNTRIES, WHAT THEY'VE DONE
AND WASN'T DOESN'T WORK, AND
HE POINTS TO SINGAPORE WHO
DELIBERATELY TRIED TO KILL
THE BIRTH RATE AND IT HAS
HAD A DEVASTATING EFFECT.
Terry: UP NEXT, THE
VERDICT ONE JUDGE DIDN'T
WANT TO HEAR.
IT WASN'T LIKE WHEN I GOT
THE "F" IN LAW SCHOOL -- I
COULD COME BACK STRONGER.
THIS, I'M GETTING ANOTHER
"F," AND WHAT DO I DO?
Terry: HEAR HIS FINAL
APPEAL.
THAT'S NEXT.
.
Pat: IF YOU'VE EVER
BEEN IN THE COURTROOM, YOU
HAVE A PERSON WHO SAYS, "ALL
RISE," AND YOU ALL STAND
UP.
AND A MAN IN A BLACK ROBE
COMES IN AND TAKES A SEAT UP
ABOVE YOU.
HE IS E ENVELOPED WITH A
PANOPLY OF SUCH POWER.
THE JUDGE COULD DECIDE A
PERSON'S FATE.
HE ALONE DETERMINED WHO WAS
INNOCENT AND WHO WASN'T.
BUT DURING HIS TIME ON THE
BENCH, EDWIN COULDN'T WRAP
HIS MIND AROUND ONE THING,
THAT HE WAS THE ONE WHO WAS
REALLY GUILTY.
ALL RISE.
Reporter: EDWIN AHU WAS
PROUD TO WEAR THE ROBE OF A
CIRCUIT COURT JUDGE.
AFTER ALL, HE DESERVED IT.
HE WORKED HARD, PLAYED BY
THE RULES, AND WON.
AS AN ATHLETE, HE ALWAYS HAD
A FIERCE DESIRE TO WIN.
AND HE WAS SMART, SMART
ENOUGH TO CRUISE THROUGH
COLLEGE WITH LITTLE EFFORT.
HE EVEN GOT INTO LAW SCHOOL,
BUT THAT'S WHERE THINGS
CHANGED.
I CUT OUT A CLASS.
THE SAME I DID IN
UNDER-GRAD, THINKING I COULD
CARRY ON IN LAW SCHOOL.
Reporter: BUT HE
COULDN'T.
HE FLUNGED A CLASS, AND THE
SCHOOL THREATENED TO DISMISS
HIM.
EDWIN REFUSED TO ACCEPT
FAILURE AND CAME UP WITH A
PLAN.
I FIGURED ON A WAY HOW I
COULD GET THROUGH THESE
CLASSES.
AND I FOUND OUT SEVERAL
RULES AND PRINCIPLES I
NEEDED TO APPLY, AND IT
BECAME A GAME TO ME.
IF I KNOW THE GAME, IF I
KNOW THE RULES, I CAN PASS,
AND I DID.
Reporter: ELWIN
BELIEVED HE COULD APPLY THAT
SAME STRATEGY TO ANY AREA OF
LIFE AND SUCCEED.
HE EVEN MARRIED WHILE IN LAW
SCHOOL JUST TO PROVE IT.
EVERYONE SAID WE WERE TOO
YOUNG.
THE MORE PEOPLE TOLD ME I
COULDN'T DO IT, THAT IT
WOULDN'T BE SUCCESSFUL, THE
COMPETITIVE EDGE KICKED IN
AND I WAS OUT TO PROVE THEM
WRONG.
Reporter: THE DOUBLE
DIVORCED AFTER SEVEN YEARS
AND SHARED CUSTODY OF THEIR
6-YEAR-OLD SON, BRANDON.
ELWIN REFUSED TO ACCEPT ANY
BLAME FOR THE BROKEN
MARRIAGE.
IT'S FAILURE, BUT IT
WASN'T MY FAULT.
I PLAYED BY MY SET OF
RULES.
AND IT WAS HER -- MY
PERCEPTION AT THE TIME, IT
WAS BECAUSE OF WHAT SHE
FAILED TO DO THAT CREATED
THIS BREAKUP.
Reporter: ELWIN'S
PROFESSIONAL LIFE AS A
LITIGATOR WAS SOARING.
HIS DRIVE TO WIN MADE HIM A
POWERHOUSE IN THE
COURTROOM.
I LOVE TRIAL WORK.
TO SEE THE JURY COME TO A
DECISION THAT YOU HAD BEEN
ADVOCATING, EVEN THOUGH YOU
DIDN'T STAND A CHANCE
WALKING THROUGH THAT
COURTROOM.
Reporter: HIS SUCCESS
AS A LAWYER EVENTUALLY
LANDED HIM AN APPOINTMENT AS
A CIRCUIT COURT JUDGE.
HIS PERSONAL LIFE, ON THE
OTHER HAND, WAS A MESS.
HE HAD REMARRIED AND TO A
BLENDED FAMILY.
AND HE WAS DETERMINED TO
MAKE IT WORK HIS WAY.
I STEP IN, KNIGHT IN
SHINING ARMOR, SAVE THE DAY
FOR EVERYONE, PLAY BY MY
RULES.
Reporter: BUT THAT ONLY
CREATED TENSION.
TO MAKE THINGS WORSE, HE
DAMAGED HIS RELATIONSHIP
WITH HIS SON, BRANDON.
HERE I AM, A PERSON WHO
TRIED TO CREATE THE RULES
AND PLAY BY THE RULES, AND
EVEN THOUGH I DID, IS
FALLING APART.
IT WASN'T, LIKE, WHEN I GOT
THE "F" IN LAW SCHOOL.
I COULD COME BACK STRONGER.
THIS TIME I'M GETTING
ANOTHER "F," AND WHAT DO I
DO?
ELWIN DIVORCED AGAIN AND
MOVED IN WITH HIS PARENTS.
I REMEMBER MY DAD SAYING
TO ME ONE DAY, WHAT'S WRONG
WITH YOU, MAN?
WHAT DO YOU WANT?
AND YET YOU'RE LIVING AT
HOME AGAIN.
AND I JUST BEGAN WONDERING
WONDERING.
WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE
WORLD?
AND I COULDN'T PUT MY FINGER
ON IT.
Reporter: ONE
AFTERNOON, WHILE STUCK IN A
HONOLULU TRAGIC JAM, ELWIN
WAS LISTENING TO A RECORDED
CEREMONY A FRIEND HAD GIVEN
HIM.
HE LIKED THE MESSAGE SO
MUCH, HE DECIDED TO VISIT
THE CHURCH.
WHEN THE WORSHIP WAS
DONE, AS THE PASTOR STARTED
TO SPEAK, IT WAS AS IF THE
ROOM JUST EMPTIED, AND THERE
WAS NOBODY THERE.
IT WAS LIKE IT WAS JUST ME.
I THOUGHT, THIS IS INSANE.
Reporter: THE
EXPERIENCE STAYED WITH HIM,
SO HE WENT BACK.
HE STILL REMEMBERS WHAT THE
PASTOR SAID.
HE SAID GOD MAY HAVE
ORCHESTRATED EVERY MOMENT IN
YOUR LIFE FOR YOU TO BE HERE
TO RECEIVE THE FORGIVENESS
OF JESUS CHRIST.
WHOA!
THAT EXPLODED.
BECAUSE FOR THE VERY FIRST
TIME I CAME TO REALIZE THAT
IT WASN'T ANYONE ELSE WHO
WAS WRONG.
IT WAS ME.
THAT I NEEDED FORGIVENESS.
Reporter: ELWIN
REALIZED THAT FORGIVENESS
COMES THROUGH JESUS CHRIST.
HE ALSO FELT HE NEEDED TO
SET SOME THINGS RIGHT.
I NEEDED TO NOT ONLY
RECEIVE FORGIVENESS FROM THE
LORD, BUT TO GO AND ASK FOR
FORGIVENESS FROM MY TWO
EX-WIVES.
AND THAT WAS AN INTERESTING
JOURNEY.
Reporter: HE ALSO ASKED
HIS SON, BRANDON, TO FORGIVE
HIM.
BECAUSE HE FELT LIKE HE HAD
FAILED HIM AS A FATHER.
BUT ELWIN SAYS GOD HAD
ALREADY BEEN AT WORK IN
BRANDON'S HEART.
AND I CAN STILL HEAR HIS
VOICE.
HE SAID, I LOVE YOU.
ALL IS FORGIVEN.
LET'S START OVER.
AND TO ME, IF GOD CAN DO
THAT, THEN GOD CAN DO
ANYTHING.
Reporter: FOR TWO AND A
HALF YEARS, ELWIN CONTINUED
SERVING IN THE CIRCUIT
COURT.
HE REMARRIED.
AND HE AND HIS WIFE FELT IT
WAS TIME TO LEAVE THE
COURT.
AND TODAY HE PASTORS A
CHURCH WITH HIS SON,
BRANDON.
ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS
GOD HAS TOLD ME THROUGHOUT
THIS ENTIRE JOURNEY IS THAT
LIFE IS NOT ABOUT ME.
ABOUT THE PARADOX OF DYING
TO SELF BEFORE YOU CAN
LIVE.
THAT LED ME TO REALIZE THAT,
YOU KNOW, SUCCESS IS NOT
NECESSARILY ABOUT WHERE YOU
ARE, THE POSITION YOU HOLD,
THE MONEY YOU MAKE.
LIFE IS MORE ABOUT
SIGNIFICANCE AND HOW YOU CAN
CRIBILITCONTRIBUTE NOW TO
SOMEONE ELSE'S LIFE.
Pat: AMAZING.
HIS HONOR GOT IT RIGHT.
IT TAKES A TREMENDOUSLY
STRONG PERSON TO SAY I'M THE
ONE THAT'S WRONG.
I'M THE GUILTY ONE.
WASN'T IT SHAKESPEARE THAT
SAID IT IS NOT THE FAULT IN
THE STARS, IT IS THE FAULT
IN OURSELVES.
WHEN WE LOOK AT OURSELVES
AND SAY, I'M GUILTY, I'M A
SINNER, I KILLED JESUS --
IT'S MY FAULT.
I DID IT.
WHEN WE BEGIN TO SAY THAT,
AND THEN WE SUDDENLY FIND
WE'RE FREE BECAUSE WE PUT
THE BLAME WHERE IT IS
SUPPOSED TO BE.
IT IS NOT OUR WIFE'S FAULT
OR OUR CHILDREN'S.
IT'S NOT THE EDUCATORS OR
THE BUSINESSES.
IT IS NOT THE REPUBLICANS OR
THE DEMOCRATS.
IT ISN'T THE CHINESE OR THE
JAPANESE OR WHOEVER.
IT'S US.
IT'S YOU AND ME.
AND WHEN WE CAN LOOK BEFORE
THE LORD AND SAY, GOD, I'M
GUILTY AND YOU DIED FOR ME.
THEN SUDDENLY A FLOOD OF
FORGIVENESS COMES INTO OUR
LIFE AND WE ARE SET FREE.
WE ARE SET FREE.
THE CHAINS BEGIN TO DROP OFF
BECAUSE WE HAVE SAID, YES, I
NEED A SAVIOR.
AND JESUS IS THAT SAVIOR.
AND ONCE WE ESTABLISH THAT
RELATIONSHIP, HE TAKES OVER
AND GOOD THINGS START TO
HAPPEN.
HAVE YOU SURRENDERED TO
HIM.
HAVE YOU ACKNOWLEDGED THAT
THE FAULT IS YOU?
HAVE YOU ACKNOWLEDGED THAT
YOU'RE THE ONE THAT SCREWED
UP YOUR MARRIAGE?
HAVE YOU ACKNOWLEDGED THAT
YOU'RE THE ONE THAT CAUSED
YOUR CHILD TO BE
REBELLIOUS.
ARE YOU THE ONE WHO
ACKNOWLEDGED THAT YOU ARE
THE ONE WHO CAUSED THE
BUSINESS FAILURES?
ONCE YOU SAY YES, ALL OF A
SUDDEN A WHOLE NEW PROCESS
STARTS.
I WANT YOU TO PRAY WITH ME
AND BE HONEST WITH YOURSELF
AND WITH YOUR GOD.
PRAY THESE WORDS.
LORD JESUS -- THAT'S RIGHT,
PRAY.
PRAY OUT LOUD.
PRAY SILENTLY.
LORD JESUS, I LOOK AT MYSELF
AND I REALIZE, LORD, THAT I
AM GUILTY.
IT WAS MY SIN THAT PUT YOU
ON THE CROSS.
IT WAS MY SIN THAT BROUGHT
ABOUT TROUBLE.
IT IS MY FAILURE, AND I
PRAY, LORD, THAT YOU WILL
FORGIVE ME FOR THE SIN THAT
I HAVE COMMITTED AND FOR
WHAT I HAVE DONE.
I ASK YOU, LORD, FOR
FORGIVENESS.
I ASK YOU FOR CLEANSING.
AND NOW, LORD, TAKE OVER MY
LIFE.
AND, LORD, GIVE ME THE
WISDOM AND THE STRENGTH TO
DO THAT WHICH YOU WANT TO
HAVE DONE.
LIVE YOUR LIFE IN ME.
AND FROM THIS MOMENT ON, I
WILL LIVE FOR YOU, AND I
WILL SERVE YOU.
THANK YOU, LORD.
AMEN.
AND AMEN.
IF YOU PRAYED WITH ME JUST
THEN, LET'S GET STARTED
TOGETHER.
I WANT TO GIVE YOU
SOMETHING.
YOU KNOW, YOU SAY I JUST
PRAYED, SO WHAT DO I DO
NEXT?
THAT'S WHY WE DID THIS FOR
YOU.
I'VE GOT A 73-MINUTE COMPACT
DISC.
A C.D. IN HERE.
PUT IT IN YOUR C.D. PLAYER.
MOST PEOPLE HAVE THEM IN
THEIR CARS OR SOMETHING.
YOU CAN PLAY IT WHILE YOU'RE
DRIVING AROUND.
AND I'VE GOT A LITTLE
BOOKLET WITH THE SCRIPTURES
IN IT WITH THE C.D.
AND YOU CAN READ IT AT YOUR
LEISURE, AND YOU CAN SEE
WHAT GOD WANTS YOU TO KNOW.
IF YOU PRAYED WITH ME, YOU
CAN SAY, I'VE JUST BEEN SET
FREE.
CALL IN.
TELL ONE OF THE COUNSELLORS,
I JUST PRAYED WITH PAT.
1-800-759-0700.
IT IS TOLL-FREE.
AND THERE IS NO CHARGE FOR
THIS LITTLE THING.
WE'LL GIVE IT TO YOU FREE.
PLEASE, GO TO YOUR PHONES
AND CALL IN.
WE'RE HERE BECAUSE WE LOVE
YOU.
TERRY?
Terry: WELL, STILL
AHEAD, PAT'S GOING TO ANSWER
YOUR E-MAIL QUESTIONS.
JESSICA SAYS, "IN THE PAST,
I DID YOGA AS PART OF MY
WORKOUT.
I STOPPED AFTER MY
INSTRUCTOR INSISTED WE MAKE
IT A SPIRITUAL EXPERIENCE.
BUT I REALLY MISS IT.
IS IT WRONG FOR A CHRISTIAN
TO DO YOGA?"
STAY TUNED.
"BRING IT ON" IS NEXT.
Lee: WELCOME BACK TO
"THE 700 CLUB."
CHRISTIAN MUSICIAN MATT
REDMOND WON TWO GRAMMYS FOR
HIS SON "10,000 REASONS."
IT WON BEST CONTEMPORARY
CHRISTIAN SONG AND BEST
GOSPEL CONTEMPORARY
CHRISTIAN MUSIC
PERFORMANCE.
AND RAP ARTIST LE CROIX
BECAME THE FIRST CHRISTIAN
HIP-HOP MUSICIAN TO TAKE
HOME A GRAMMY.
HE CO-OWNS REACH RECORDS,
WHICH PRODUCED THE ALBUM,
AND IN A TWEET, HE DEDICATED
HIS GRAMMY TO FANS, SAYING
"TO GOD BE THE GLORY."
CBN IS RESTORING
SMILESAROUNSMILES AROUND
THE WORLD THROUGH
LIFE-SAVING SURGERIES.
IN MANY COUNTRIES, CHILDREN
WITH A CLEFT LIP OR CLEFT
PALLET ARE FORCED TO LIVE
WITH THEIR CONDITION.
BUT CBN PROVIDED SURGERIES
FOR PEOPLE IN ASIA AND
AMERICA, AND LATIN-AMERICA.
ONE PARENT SAID, "I WOULD
LIKE TO THANK CBN.
THANK YOU FOR CHANGING MY
SON'S LIFE.
TO HAVE A BEAUTIFUL SMILE IS
A MIRACLE, AND HE CAN ALSO
EAT AND DRINK PROPERLY."
THANK YOU.
YOU CAN FIND OUT MORE ABOUT
WHAT CBN IS DOING AROUND THE
WORLD BY LOGGING ON TO
CBN.COM/INTERNATIONAL.
PAT AND TERRY WILL BE BACK
WITH MORE OF "THE 700 CLUB"
AFTER THIS.
.
Terry: WE INVITE YOU TO
SEND IN YOUR E-MAIL
QUESTIONS, AND A NUMBER OF
YOU HAVE DONE THAT.
THE FIRST ONE IS FROM
JESSICA, WHO SAYS, "IN THE
PAST I DID YOGA AS PART OF
MY WORKOUT.
I NEVER THOUGHT IT WAS WRONG
UNTIL ONE OF THE INSTRUCTORS
STRESSED MAKING IT QUOTE A
SPIRITUAL EXPERIENCE.
AT THAT POINT I STOPPED
GOING.
I REALLY MISS IT, BUT I
DON'T WANT DEMONIC FORCES IN
MY LIFE.
IS IT WRONG?"
Pat: HERE IS THE DEAL,
THERE ARE REALLY GOOD
STRETCHING EXERCISES
CONNECTED WITH YOGA.
YOU STRETCH AND GET YOUR
MUSCLES ALL LIMBER.
AND THEN YOU CAN DO SOME
HEAVY WORKOUT.
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH
THAT.
BUT IF YOU DO IT ACCORDING
TO MANY OF THEM, THEY INSIST
ON YOU HAVING WHAT IS CALLED
A MANTRA.
AND SO YOU SAY THINGS, AND
YOU'RE NOT REALIZING YOU'RE
SPEAKING IN HINDI, AND
YOU'RE SPEAKING TO SOME
HINDU GOD.
YOU DON'T WANT TO GET
INVOLVED IN SOME SORT OF
MYSTIC RELATIONSHIP.
AS FAR AS TAKING YOUR HANDS
OVER YOUR HEAD, THERE IS
NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
BUT BEING INTO THE OCCULT,
YOU DON'T WANT IT.
Terry: SARAH SAYS, "I
AM PARALYZED ON MY LEFT SIDE
FROM A STROKE.
I HAVE ACCEPTED THE FACT
THAT IT IS NOT TIME FOR A
COMPLETE RECOVERY.
BUT IS IT WRONG FOR ME TO
ASK GOD TO WALK BETTER
BECAUSE I HAVE A FEAR OF
FALLING.
I AM THANKFUL FOR THE
PROGRESS I HAVE MADE SO
FAR."
Pat: YOU ARE SO SWEET
AND LOVELY.
GOD REALLY WANTS YOU
HEALED.
BROTHERS, I PRAY THAT YOU
MAY PROSPER AND BE IN HEALTH
AS YOUR SOUL PROSPERS, IS
WHAT JOHN WROTE.
GOD WANTS US ALL TO BE
PAIN-FREE.
HE DOESN'T VISIT PAIN ON
PEOPLE.
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH
ASKING.
OF COURSE YOU DON'T WANT
TOTAL HEALING, BUT IF YOU
ARE RESIGNED OF PART OF THE
STROKE IS THERE, BUT YOU
WANT TO HAVE A BETTER LIFE
WITH WHAT IS LEFT, BY ALL
MEANS ASK HIM.
GOD LOVES THAT TYPE OF
PRAYER.
Terry: KENNETH WRITES,
"OUR CHURCH IS ON ITS THIRD
MINISTER IN FOUR YEARS.
RECENTLY THE HYMNAL MUSIC IS
GETTING SLOWER AND SLOWER.
I'VE MENTIONED MY CONCERN TO
SOME OF THE OLDER ELDERS,
BUT THEY AREN'T CONCERN
BECAUSE THEY LIKE IT.
THE YOUNGER PEOPLE WANT A
MORE CONTEMPORARY SONG.
SHOULD I TRY TO MAKE A
DIFFERENCE THERE OR JUST
MOVE TO ANOTHER CHURCH?"
Pat: I DON'T ENOUGH TO
TELL YOU, BUT IT IS THE
CLASSES THAT ARE TAKING
PLACE.
I LOVE THE OLD HYMNS.
THERE ARE SOME HYMNS THAT
ARE JUST MAJESTIC, AND THEY
CARRY YOU INTO THE HANDS OF
GOD AND THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL.
AND SOME OF THE CONTEMPORARY
MUSIC IS CACOPHONY AND I
CAN'T STAND IT.
ON THE OTHER HAND, THE
PRAISE AND WORSHIP MUSIC
THAT COMES OUT OF THE RECORD
COMPANIES AND SOME OF THE
MUSICIANS IS JUST FANTASTIC,
AND THE YOUNG PEOPLE WANT TO
RESPOND TO IT.
MOST CHURCHES FACED WITH THE
DILEMMA YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
SAY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A
SERVICE FOR THE YOUNG
PEOPLE, WITH THE
CONTEMPORARY MUSIC, AND THEN
A SERVICE FOR THE ELDERS.
IF PEOPLE HAVE ANY SENSE,
THAT'S WHAT THEY'LL DO.
OTHER THAN THAT, YOU WANT SO
SAY, I WANT TO BE
COMFORTABLE.
YOU DON'T WANT TO SIT THERE
AND WHILE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO
WORSHIPPING GOD, SAY IF THEY
JUST STOP THIS ORGAN.
Terry: AND FOR THOSE
CHURCHES THAT DON'T HAVE
ENOUGH TO HAVE TWO SERVICES,
COMBINE THE TWO.
Pat: THE OLDER PEOPLE
GET OFFENDED.
AND THEY DON'T WANT THE
YOUNGER MUSIC.
PROBABLY -- IT IS LIKE JESUS
PARABLE THAT YOU DON'T PUT
NEW WINE IN OLD SKINS.
THESE ARE OLD SKINS.
AND IF YOU PUT NEW WINE IN,
THE SKINS WILL BE TORN AND
YOU LOSE IT ALL.
DON'T FIGHT.
YOU MAY HAVE TO GO SOME
PLACE ELSE.
MAYBE YOU COULD HAVE A YOUTH
CHURCH OR SOMETHING.
IF THE OLD PEOPLE WON'T
ACCOMMODATE, YOU PROBABLY
WANT TO GO SOME PLACE WHERE
YOU'RE MORE HAPPY.
Terry: GRACE SAYS, "MY
SISTER AND I HAD A
DISAGREEMENT.
SHE SAID IF GOD IS A LOVING
GOD, HE WOULD FORGIVE THOSE
WHO GOT THE MARK OF THE
BEAST.
I THOUGHT SOMEONE WHO GOT
THE MARK OF THE BEAST IS
PERMANENT.
WHICH IS TRUE?"
Pat: I DON'T THINK IT
IS SOMETHING YOU SHOULD BE
ARGUING ABOUT.
THE TRUTH IS GOD WILL
FORGIVE ANYTHING.
I'M SURE THE SOMEBODY COULD
COME BACK AND SAY I'M
SORRY.
WE HAVE IN THE BIBLE A
SEEMING FEELING THAT ONCE
SOMEBODY SUBMITS TO THE
ANTI-CHRIST SYSTEM, THEY
HAVE TURNED THEIR BACK ON
JESUS AND THERE IS NO COMING
BACK.
I WOULDN'T SPEND YOUR TIME
ARGUE BE ABOUT THAT.
YOU SHOULD SPEND YOUR TIME
SAYING, HOW CAN I PLEASE THE
LORD.
Terry: ANNA SAYS, "HOW
CAN YOU KEEP A SERVANT'S
HEART FROM BECOMING A USED
HEART.
I WANT TO HELP PEOPLE, BUT I
DON'T WANT TO BE TAKEN
ADVANTAGE OF?"
Pat: JESUS CHRIST SET
THE EXAMPLE.
HE TOOK AN OUTER GARMENT
DOWN AND WASHED THE PEOPLE
OF THE DISCIPLES.
IT WAS AN ACT OF HUMILITY.
HE ALSO FOUND EVIL IN THE
TEMPLE, AND HE MADE A WHIP
WITH ROPES, AND WHIPPED THE
MONEY CHANGERS, OVERTURNED
THEIR TABLES, AND DROVE THEM
OUT OF THE TEMPLE.
BOTH OF THEM, JESUS.
SO HE WAS NOT A DOOR MAT.
AND WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE
DOOR MATS.
THERE ARE TIMES WE STAND UP
TO EVIL, AND WE STAND UP TO
OPPRESSION, AND WE TAKE A
STAND.
OTHER TIMES WE'RE YIELDING
SERVANTS FILLED WITH
HUMILITY.
AND JESUS REFLECTED BOTH OF
THEM.
Terry: THIS IS FROM
WANDA WHO SAYS, "I FEEL IT
IS IMPORTANT IN GENERAL FOR
MEN AS WELL AS WOMAN TO WEAR
A WEDDING RING.
SO WHY DOESN'T PAT WEAR
ONE?
I CAN FEEL WHY MECHANICS
MIGHT NOT WANT TO WEAR ONE.
BUT WHY DOESN'T PAT WEAR
ONE?"
Pat: MY DEAR
GRANDFATHER DIDN'T WEAR A
WEDDING RING.
MY WIFE'S FATHER, WHO WAS
MARRIED TO HER MOTHER FOR
DECADES, DIDN'T WEAR A
WEDDING RING.
WE DIDN'T WEAR WEDDING RIN.
RING.
THE TWO-RING CEREMONY
STARTED SOMEWHERE ALONG THE
WAY.
THERE IS NOTHING IN THE
BIBLE THAT TALKS ABOUT A MAN
WEARING A WEDDING RING.
THIS IS CUSTOM.
I CAME FROM A BRANCH OF
CHRISTIANITY WHERE THE
CUSTOM DIDN'T APPLY.
TERRY, DO YOU KNOW ABOUT
THAT?
Terry: MY DAD WORE A
WEDDING RING, BUT I DON'T
KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
Pat: WE HAVE THIS THING
ABOUT THE GUY WHO TAKES HIS
RING OFF AND HE IS GOING TO
TIE UP WITH A HOOKER HE MET
IN A BAR.
A WEDDING RING IS NOT WHAT
KEEPS ME IN LOVE WITH MY
WIFE.
WE HAVE BEEN MARRIED 58
YEARS, AND I NEVER HAVE WORN
A WEDDING RING --
Terry: YOU HAVE NEVER
WORN ONE?
Pat: NO.
BECAUSE WE DIDN'T START OUT
WITH THAT.
IT IS A DOUBLE-RING
CEREMONY, AND WE DIDN'T
START OUT THAT.
WHY DIDN'T I WEAR IT?
BECAUSE MY DADDY DIDN'T WEAR
IT.
MY DADDY SET THE OTHER.
I'M THE DADDY OF FOUR OTHERS
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY
WEAR A WEDDING RING.
IT IS UP TO THEM.
IT IS A NICE LITTLE
CEREMONY.
THE WOMAN PUTS THE RING ON
THE HUSBAND, AND THE HUSBAND
PUTS IT ON THE WIFE.
IT IS A RECENT ACCRETION TO
THE CEREMONY.
A RECENT ACCRETION.
ESTABLISHMENT THERE
Terry: THERE YOU GO,
WANDA.
UP NEXT, WE'RE GOING TO TELL
YOU ABOUT A PROGRAM THAT IS
FEEDING COMMUNITIES AND
CHANGING LIVES A WORLD
AWAY.
Terry: THEY SAY, IF YOU
GIVE A MAN A FISH, YOU FEED
HIM FOR A DAY.
BUT IF YOU TEACH A MAN TO
FISH, YOU'LL FEED HIM FOR A
LIFETIME.
THAT'S THE PHILOSOPHY BEHIND
HARVEST GARDENS, IT IS A
MINISTRY HELPING TO FEED
VILLAGERS BOTH TODAY AND
TOMORROW.
THAT MINISTRY IS SPORTED IN
PART BY "CATCH THE FIRE,"
RUN BY JON AND CAROL.
IT'S GREAT TO HAVE YOU
BACK.
THANK YOU, TERRY.
IT IS WONDERFUL TO BE HERE.
Terry: TALK A LITTLE
BIT ABOUT HARVEST GARDENS.
WHAT IS THIS?
OKAY.
WELL, IN THE PAST, WE'VE
SUPPORTED MANY, MANY
MISSIONS AND MISSIONARIES,
BUT NEVER REALLY HAD OUR
OWN, SO TO SPEAK.
I FELT STIRRED UP FROM THE
LORD, DIDN'T WE, CAROL?
WE SURE DID.
WE NEEDED TO BE DOING
SOMETHING OUR PEOPLE WOULD
TAKE OWNERSHIP, AND I LOVE
THIS CONCEPT.
FROM A FRIEND OF OURS, NAMED
DEDELL BOLTON, AND HE HAS
ORGANICS FOR ORPHANS.
AND HE DEVELOPED THIS WAY OF
PRODUCING HUGELY IN
GARDENING.
OVER IN AFRICA, THEY HAVE A
SCHOOL, ONE MONTH, THAT
TRAINS PEOPLE HOW TO DO IT.
THEN THEY GO HOME AND START
THEM ALL OVER THE PLACE.
IT IS AMAZING HOW THEY TAKE
TO IT AND SAY, WE CAN DO
THIS.
Terry: THIS IS A
WONDERFUL CONCEPT.
YOU KNOW, PEOPLE IN AMERICA,
WE'RE NOT USED TO HUNGER
BEING A HUGE ISSUE --
CERTAINLY THERE ARE ARE
PEOPLE HERE WHO ARE HUNGRY
IN PARTS OF THE COUNTRY, BUT
IN OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD,
THIS IS LIFE OR DEATH.
IT IS.
AND THEY'RE EATING THINGS
THAT ARE NOT NUTRITIOUS.
SO TEACHING THEM HOW TO GROW
THEIR OWN GARDENS, BE
SELF-SUFFICIENT.
NOT ONLY THAT, THEY'RE
EATING WONDERFUL NUTRIENTS
AND ENZYMES, LIVE FOOD.
THEY'VE GOT SMOOTHIES AND
THEY HAVE NEVER HAD THEM
BEFORE.
THEY'RE ABSOLUTELY
LEARNING THIS AND IT IS
CHANGING.
WHEN THEY GET MALARIA NOW,
THEY ONLY GET IT, A MILD,
MILD FEVER --
Terry: BECAUSE YOU'RE
BUILDING THE IMMUNE SYSTEM
IN A VERY NATURAL SYSTEM.
AND EVEN AIDS THEY'RE
SEEING TURNED AROUND BY
HAVING ALL OF THIS GREEN
FOOD.
Terry: I KNOW YOU
WANTED SOMETHING THAT THE
PEOPLE WHO ARE PART OF YOUR
MINISTRY COULD GRAB ON TO
AND MOVE FORWARD.
WE'RE ALL SUPPOSED TO DO
THAT, AREN'T WE?
I THINK THAT WE ARE.
YEAH.
REMEMBER THE POOR AND THE
WIDOWS AND ALL OF THAT.
AND SO MANY THOUSANDS DIE OF
HUNGER IN AFRICA, AND MANY
MORE OF DISEASE.
BUT IT ISN'T JUST AFRICA.
IT IS INDIA AND
LATIN-AMERICA.
Terry: MANY SMALLER
COUNTRIES?
RIGHT.
SO THIS, I THINK, IS A KEY.
BECAUSE ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY
CAN HAVE ORGANIC GARDENING
WHICH GIVES THEM THE FOOD
THEY NEED, AND EVEN AN
INCOME.
Terry: YOU SAID THE
LORD SPOKE TO YOU ABOUT THE
POOR, JOHN.
WHAT DID GOD SPEAK TO YOUR
HEART?
HE REMINDED ME FROM
MATTHEWS' GOSPEL, BECAUSE
YOU DID IT NOT UNTO THE
LEAST OF THESE, YOU DID IT
NOT UNTO ME.
AND BECAUSE YOU DID IT,
THEREFORE IT IS UNTO THE
LORD.
WE'VE BEEN PREACHING THIS
FOR A LONG TIME, GOD LOVES
YOU.
AND HE CARES ABOUT YOU.
HE CARES ABOUT YOUR
ILLNESS.
HE CARES ABOUT YOUR
PROBLEMS.
HOW MUCH MORE DOES HE CARE
ABOUT PEOPLE WHO DON'T EVEN
HAVE ENOUGH TO EAT.
SO WE THINK THIS IS A
SIMPLE, INEXPENSIVE FIX
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN
FEED ONE CHILD FOR SOMETHING
LIKE BETWEEN $45 AND $55 A
MONTH.
FOR ALMOST THAT AMOUNT OF
MONEY, YOU CAN FEED 50
PEOPLE.
Terry: UNBELIEVABLE.
ISN'T THAT INCREDIBLE?
Terry: AND PEOPLE
TODAY, CAROL, I THINK ARE
LOOKING FOR SOMETHING TO
INVEST THEMSELVES IN, WHERE
THEY KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING
WITH THEIR GIVING AND
SOMETHING THAT MATTERS.
I WANT TO MENTION YOU'VE GOT
A BIG ANNIVERSARY COMING UP
WITH "CATCH THE FIRE."
AND YOU'VE GOT BIG PLANS.
TELL US WHAT IS HAPPENING?
IT IS GREAT.
A 20-YEAR CELEBRATION OF THE
VERY FIRST TIME THE HOLY
SPIRIT CAME AND JUST IGNITED
US.
AND HE HAS NEVER LEFT.
IT IS CONTINUING RIGHT UP
UNTIL THIS DAY.
WE'RE INTO OUR 20th YEAR.
Terry: IN 2014, YOU'RE
DOING SOME SPECIAL
RECOGNITION?
IN 2013, WE HAVE THE
20th "CATCH THE FIRE"
CONFERENCE.
AND WE HAVE ALL OF THE
ORIGINALS, MIKE AND RANDY
AND DAVID, EVERYONE WHO WAS
WITH US 20 YEARS AGO.
IT IS GOING TO BE REALLY
FUN.
AND THE ACTUALLY
ANNIVERSARY IS IN JANUARY,
THE 20th OF NEXT YEAR, SO
IT IS NINE MONTHS AWAY --
SORRY, 11 MONTHS AWAY.
IT IS GOING TO BE AMAZING.
Terry: YOU HAVE TO KEEP
US POSTED SO WE CAN LET ALL
OUR VIEWERS KNOW.
HAPPY ANNIVERSARY.
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
Terry: IT'S GREAT TO
HAVE YOU HERE.
THANKS FOR COMING.
PAT?
Pat: GREAT PEOPLE AND A
GREAT MINISTRY.
WE LEAVE YOU WITH THESE
WORDS FROM PSALM 56: "CAST
YOUR BURDEN ON THE LORD AND
HE SHALL SUSTAIN YOU."
SEE YOU TOMORROW.
BYE-BYE.
