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700 Club Interactive: Fear Fascination with Ted Dekker - March 7, 2013

Best-selling author Ted Dekker talks about fear and our culture's fascination with being scared. Read Transcript


Gordon: IN JUST THE

PAST 20 YEARS, HORROR FILMS

HAVE GROSSED OVER

$25 BILLION AT THE BOX

OFFICE.

AND MOVIES ARE A SAFE WAY

FOR THEM TO CONFRONT IT,

KNOWING THEY'RE SAFE IN A

MOVIE SEAT.

Gordon: EXPLORE

AMERICA'S OBSESSION WITH

THRILLERS AND HORROR STORIES

ON TODAY'S "700 CLUB

INTERACTIVE."

ON "700 CLUB INTERACTIVE,"

WE USE TECHNOLOGY TO PRAY

FOR EACH OTHER AND EXPLORE

TOPICS THAT MATTER TO YOU.

WATCH WHAT GOD IS DOING IN

THE WORLD TODAY.

Gordon: WELL, WELCOME

TO THE SHOW.

IT'S THAT TIME OF YEAR WHEN

HORROR FILMS MAKE IT BIG AT

THE BOX OFFICE.

AND WITH THE RELEASE OF

PARANORMAL ACTIVITY 4 AND

SINISTER, HOLLYWOOD IS

EXPECTING A VERY PROFITABLE

MONTH.

Terry: IT IS STRANGE

THAT MOVIES THAT SCARE

PEOPLE ARE SO POPULAR.

SO TODAY'S "NEW YORK TIMES"

BEST-SELLING AUTHOR TED

DECKER IS GOING TO JOIN US

TO SHED LIFE ON OUR

FASCINATION WITH FEAR.

ALL OF MY STORIES ARE

EXTREME IN SOME WAYS.

THEY DON'T FIT INTO A

PARTICULAR GENRE.

THEY'RE PRIMARILY DRIVEN BY

A SEARCH FOR UNDERSTANDING

AND A SEARCH FOR ESCAPE AND

EXCITEMENT.

THAT'S WHY I WRITE

THRILLERS.

FOR SOMETHING NEW.

ISN'T THAT WHY PEOPLE READ

BOOKS.

THEY WANT TO EXPLORE

SOMETHING THAT IS NOT

MUNDANE TO THEM.

THEY WANT TO ESCAPE.

I HAVE AN INSATIABLE

APPETITE FOR EXTREME.

I GREW UP IN THE JUNGLE.

Gordon: POLICE WELCOME

SUSPENCE WRITER TED DECKER.

GARD, IT IS GOOD TO BE

WITH YOU AGAIN.

Gordon: WHY DO WE LIKE

TO FEEL AFRAID.

IT SEEMS LIKE WE GO OUT OF

OUR WAY, WHETHER IT IS ON A

ROLLERCOASTER OR SITTING IN

A DARK MOVIE THEATER

WATCHING A HORROR FILM.

WHY DO WE LIKE IT SO MUCH?

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU,

BUT I DON'T.

I DON'T LIKE FEAR AT ALL.

WRITING ABOUT FEAR IS A SAFE

WAY TO WORK THROUGH FEAR.

I THINK PERFECT LOVE CASTS

OUT FEAR.

AND, ACTUALLY, FEAR IS A

MISUNDERSTANDING OF OUR TRUE

IDENTITY IN CHRIST.

SO -- I DON'T WRITE ABOUT

HORROR.

MY BOOKS ARE LIKE MIRRORS.

SO DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU'RE

COMING FROM, YOU'LL FEEL

FEAR IF YOU IDENTIFY WITH

THAT FEAR.

AND I HAVE CERTAINLY IN THE

PAST.

THE ONE PSALM, YEAH THOUGH I

WALK THROUGH THE VALLEY OF

DEATH I SHALL FEAR NO

EVIL -- THAT IS A VERY

TELLING PSALM.

IT IS BEAUTIFUL.

FIRST OF ALL, IN THAT PSALM,

WE DO WALK THROUGH THE

VALLEYS, BUT THEY ONLY HAVE

SHADOWS OF DEATH.

IT'S NOT -- THE DEATH HAS

BEEN CONQUERED.

THERE IS GOOD NEWS.

MY BOOKS ARE ABOUT LOVE AND

LIGHT AND HOPE, BEYOND THIS

IDEA THAT DEATH IS GOING TO

DESTROY US.

SO MY CHARACTERS DO FEEL

FEAR.

AND MY READERS DO.

BUT MY STORIES OR LOVE

STORIES ABOUT LIGHT AND

REDEMPTION AND BEAUTY.

BECAUSE THE TRUTH IS THAT IS

WHO WE ARE.

WE ARE THE CHILDREN OF GOD.

WE DO NOT NEED TO FEAR DEATH

AT ALL, AND YET WE DO.

IT IS STRANGE HOW THAT

HAPPENS, YEAH?

Gordon: YEAH, IT IS

STRANGE HOW THAT HAPPENS.

IT IS ALSO STRANGE TO ME

THAT SOME OF US -- AND MAYBE

YOU AND I ARE THE EXCEPTION

TO THE RULE -- I REALLY

DON'T LIKE GOING TO HORROR

FILMS.

I DON'T WANT TO PUT MYSELF

THROUGH THAT EXPERIENCE.

I USED TO LIKE

ROLLERCOASTERS, BUT I

PROBABLY HAVEN'T BEEN ON ONE

FOR TWO DECADES NOW.

THERE DOES SEEM TO BE A

FASCINATION, IF YOU WILL,

WITH EVEN -- I'LL TAKE THE

PHRASE FROM STAR WARS, WITH

THE DARK SIDE OF THINGS.

PEOPLE WANT TO INVESTIGATE

THAT.

THE SHOWS ABOUT GHOST

HUNTERS THAT ARE SO POPULAR

NOW.

WHY DO YOU THINK THAT WE'RE

STRANGEING ATTRACTED TO

THAT?

WELL, AGAIN, I CAN ONLY

SPEAK FROM MY EXPERIENCE.

I'M NOT STRANGELY ATTRACTED

TO IT.

SO IT IS DIFFICULT TO SAY.

YOU TALK TO PSYCHOLOGISTS

ABOUT THAT.

I WRITE ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ARE

THROWN INTO SITUATIONS OF

GREAT FEAR.

MY LATEST NOVEL IS ABOUT A

PRIEST WHO GOES TO PRISON,

AND IT IS A VERY DARK

EXPERIENCE FOR HIM.

BUT ULTIMATELY HE DISCOVERS

IN THAT DARKNESS, IF HE

SURRENDERS TO GOD'S LOVE,

THERE IS NOTHING TO FEAR.

THERE IS NO FEAR IN THAT

VALLEY.

IT IS ONLY A SHADOW OF

DEATH.

AND I WRITE TO DISCOVER THE

LIGHT.

SO WHY DO PEOPLE FEEL FEAR?

WELL, I BELIEV I THINK

BECAUSE THEY BUY INTO IT.

AND A MOVIE IS A SAFE WAY

FOR THEM TO CONFRONT IT.

IT IS ALMOST -- IT ALMOST

HAS A THERAPEUTIC VALUE.

THEY COME OUT ON SAFE ON THE

OTHER SIDE.

WHEN THEY LEAVE THE MOVIE

THEATER, THEY'RE, LIKE, I'M

OKAY.

I LOOK FOR A GREATER HOPE

BEYOND THAT ONE EXPERIENCE.

BECAUSE ME, I, AS GOD'S

CHILD, I AM IM PEPERVIOUS

TO DEATH.

THERE IS NO NEED FOR FEAR AT

ALL.

Gordon: YOU GREW UP A

SON OF MISSIONARIES AND YOU

WERE IN THE JUNGLES OF

INDONESIA.

IS PART OF YOUR, I GUESS,

THE SOURCE OF SOME OF YOUR

CONVICTION -- HOW DID IT

AFFECT YOUR STORY-TELLING.

MY PARENTS WENT INTO THE

JUNGLE TO BRING LIGHT INTO

THE DARKNESS.

AND THAT IS MY OBSESSION.

AND NOT SO MUCH FOR PEOPLE

TO READ MY BOOKS, YES, BUT

IT IS WORKING THROUGH MY OWN

SALVATION, MY OWN

UNDERSTANDING OF WHO I AM,

MY IDENTITY.

WHO AM I?

WHY DO I FEAR?

I GREW UP AMONGST PEOPLE

THAT WERE, YES, SMOTHERED BY

DARKNESS IN THE JUNGLE.

AND IN A WAY, I, AS A

MISSIONARY KID, I COME TO

THE UNITED STATES AND I FIND

THAT I CAN HAVE THE SAME

KIND OF FEAR.

NO BETTER.

AND EVEN AS A CHRISTIAN, I

CAN HAVE THE SAME KIND OF

FEAR.

WHY?

SO I WORK THROUGH THAT IN MY

STORIES TO DISCOVER FOR

MYSELF.

THAT'S WHY THEY COME OFF

AUTHENTIC BECAUSE I'M

ACTUALLY WRITING BOOKS TO

TAKE MY OWN JOURNEY.

THEY'RE LIKE MY JOURNALS,

AND PEOPLE READ THEM AND

THEY IDENTIFY WITH THEM.

ULTIMATELY, IT IS ALL ABOUT

LOVE, BRINGING LIGHT INTO

DARKNESS.

THAT'S REALLY ALL THAT

MATTERS.

Gordon: WHAT IS YOUR

GREATEST FEAR?

EVERYONE'S GREATEST FEAR

IS THE SAME, REALLY DEEP

DOWN INSIDE, AND THAT IS

SEPARATION FROM GOD.

THAT IS I'M NOT OKAY.

I'M NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

I AM BAD.

I'M NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO BE

TRULY LOVED.

BECAUSE WHEN WE UNDERSTAND

HOW MUCH GOD LOVES US, WHEN

WE UNDERSTAND WE ARE HIS

CHILDREN, MADE IN HIS IMAGE,

GOD CANNOT BE THREATENED.

CAN ANYTHING THREATEN GOD?

HAS GOD EVER BEEN BE

THREATENED BY ANYTHING?

YOU CAN EVEN ASK THE

QUESTION: HAS GOD EVEN

STRUGGLED EVER?

GOD IS TOO BIG TO STRUGGLE

WITH SOMETHING CALLED EVIL.

HE IS FAR TOO BIG, AND YET

WE STRUGGLE.

BUT WE ARE HIS CHILDREN.

WE'RE HIS HEIRS.

AND SO WE ALSO HAVE THAT

ASSURANCE THAT NOTHING --

NOTHING CAN EVER HURT US.

THAT'S A JOURNEY TO GET TO

THAT POINT OF DISCOVERY.

Gordon: IT IS A

JOURNEY.

I WENT THROUGH IT ON THE

MISSION FIELD MYSELF, GOING

INTO THAT FAIRLY DARK PLACES

WHERE THEY WERE GIVEN OVER

TO IDOL WORSHIP AND A LOT OF

WITCHCRAFT.

AND IT WAS AMAZING HOW MUCH

FEAR GRIPPED THE CHRISTIANS

I WAS WITH, AND THEY WOULD

WANT TO ENGAGE IN ALL OF

THIS SPIRITUAL WARFARE.

AND THE THOUGHT CAME TO ME,

WHAT CAN DARKNESS DO TO

LIGHT?

THAT IS SUCH A BEAUTIFUL

THOUGHT.

Gordon: AND WHEN I GOT

THAT ONE, TALK ABOUT A LIGHT

GOING ON.

WHAT CAN DARKNESS DO TO

LIGHT.

ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS GO IN

THERE AND SHINE THE LIGHT.

THERE IS NOTHING DARKNESS

CAN DO BUT FLEE.

IT HAS TO RUN AWAY IN THE

PRESENCE OF THE LIGHT.

THAT WAS A REAL TURNING

POINT FOR ME AND GOT ME

THROUGH A WHOLE BUNCH.

THAT'S BEAUTIFUL,

GORDON.

REALLY, IT'S NOT SO MUCH

WHAT SHOULD WE DO?

THE QUESTION IS: WHAT SHOULD

WE BE?

WHERE WE ARE LIGHT.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO TEACH A

LIGHT HOW TO SHINE IN THE

DARKNESS.

IT JUST NEEDS TO TURN ON.

JUST TURN ON.

JUST BE.

BE ONE WITH GOD.

AND THAT ALONE -- THAT

SINGLE THING THAT YOU JUST

SPOKE, THAT IS ACTUALLY AT

THE VERY CORE OF

EVERYTHING.

ALL OF THESE METHODS IN

WHICH WE DO THINGS, BE LIGHT

UNTO THE WORLD.

YOU CAN'T BE LIGHT UNLESS

YOUR TURNED ON.

Gordon: THAT'S THE

ORIGINAL GREEK BEHIND

MANIFEST, IT IS THE LIGHT

TURNING ON.

IT IS A LIGHT IMAGE,

USING -- ANYWAY.

IT IS VERY GOOD NEWS.

Gordon: IT IS VERY GOOD

NEWS, AND ALL WE HAVE TO DO

IS SHINE.

HIS LATEST BOOK "THE

SANCTUARY," AND IT IS

AVAILABLE WHEREVER BOOKS OR

SOLD.

TED, THANKS AGAIN FOR BEING

WITH US.

THANK YOU.

Terry: IT IS A

GREAT-LOOKING BOOK.

GOOD JOB, TED.

STILL AHEAD, YOU'RE NEVER

TOO YOUNG TO EXPERIENCE THE

POWER OF PRAYER.

WE WANT YOU TO WATCH WHAT

HAPPENS WHEN A LITTLE BOY

PRAYERS FOR HIS BEST FRIEND

TO BE HEALED.

AND THAT'S NEXT.

Terry: WHEN A LITTLE

BOY IN NIGERIA GOT SICK, IT

WASN'T A DOCTOR WHO HELPED

HIM GET WELL.

IT WAS HIS BEST FRIEND FROM

SCHOOL WHO USED SOMETHING HE

SAW ON CBN'S AN NATED

PROGRAM "SUPERBOOK."

Reporter: LIKE MOST

BOYS HIS AGE, ADAM LIKES TO

PLAY BALL, WATCH TELEVISION,

AND READ COMICS WITH HIS

BEST FRIEND, WINTER.

THEY SIT NEXT TO EACH OTHER

IN CLASS.

BUT ONE DAY WINTER DIDN'T

COME TO SCHOOL.

HE DIDN'T COME ONE DAY.

Reporter: ADAM MISSED

HIS FRIEND AND HOPED HE

WOULD GET BETTER SOONMENT

SOON.

THEN HE REMEMBERED A LESSON

ABOUT PRAYER AND HEALING, SO

HE GOT ON HIS KNEES AND

PRAYED FOR WINTER.

THE NEXT MORNING, HIS ENTIRE

CLASS PRAYED.

AND THE DAY AFTER THAT,

WINTER WAS BACK IN SCHOOL.

[CHEERING]

HOW I FELT WAS I WAS SO,

SO SURPRISED.

I WAS HAPPY THAT WINTER CAME

TO SCHOOL.

I SAID IF GOD ANSWERS THIS

PRAYER, HE CAN ALSO ANSWER

EVERYTHING.

IT MADE ME SEE THAT GOD

HAS NOT FORGOTTEN ME.

Reporter: ADAM HAS BEEN

ENCOURAGED EVER SINCE.

HE SAYS HE IS CLOSER TO GOD

AND WANTS TO TELL OTHERS

ABOUT JESUS.

THANK YOU, CBN, FOR THE

MATERIALS YOU SENT.

THEY HAVE HELPED ME BECOME A

BETTER BOY.

Terry: HE IS TOO MUCH

(laughing).

I JUST THINK HE IS AWESOME.

I LOVE THE FACT THAT HE HAS

LEARNED THIS SPIRITUAL TRUTH

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A FANTASY ARTIST FACES THE

REALITY OF WHAT SHE HAS

CREATED.

ALL OF THESE DARK IMAGES,

I'M WATCHING THEM COME OUT

OF THE PRINTER.

THEY HAVE POWER AND SECRET

KNOWLEDGE WRAPPED UP WITH

THE OCCULT.

THERE WAS SOME KIND OF

DEMONIC POSSESSION GOING ON

HERE.

Terry: SEE HOW THESE

DEMONIC OBSESSIONS HAUNTED

HER OWN DAUGHTER, AFTER

THIS.

Terry: JESSICA

CALBREATH ACHIEVED

INTERNATIONAL FAME IN THE

WORL WORLD OF FANTASY ART.

HER DARK CREATIONS ATTRACTED

A CULT FOLLOWING, AND MANY

OF HER FANS THOUGHT SHE WAS

A WITCH.

JESSICA REVELED IN HAD

REPUTATION, UNTIL THAT ART

BEGAN TO TAKE ON A LIFE OF

ITS OWN.

I THINK IT IS VERY, VERY

LIKELY THERE WAS SOME KIND

OF DEMONIC POSSESSION GOING

ON HERE.

I ALMOST FELT LIKE THERE WAS

A CLOUD OF DARKNESS AROUND

ME.

Reporter: FOR YEARS

JESSICA CALBREATH WAS KNOWN

AS A SPECIALTY ARTIST.

I WOULD TRY TO GIVE THEM

A LOOK LIKE THEY WERE GAZING

AS YOU WITH BAD INTENT.

THEY HAD POWER AND SECRET

KNOWLEDGE THAT ALL IS

WRAPPED UP WITH THE OCCULT.

Reporter: IT WAS A

POWER THAT JESSICA

DISCOVERED WHEN SHE WAS A

CHILD.

I THINK I ALWAYS HAD A

STRONG SENSE THERE WAS A

SUPERNATURAL WORLD.

IT KIND OF PROGRESSED FROM

LIKING THE PRETTY UNICORNS

TO BUYING A TAROT DECK AND

BRINGING IT HOME, AND DOING

READINGS FOR MY FRIENDS, AND

GETTING A QUIJA BOARD, AND

INVITING ANYONE TO COME TALK

TO US.

THINGS WOULD HAPPEN ALL OF

THE TIME.

UNEXPLAINABLE THINGS.

TERRIFYING THINGS.

Reporter: SHE SAW

PEOPLE SCREAM OUT OF

NOWHERE, AS WELL AS FLYING

PICTURE FRAMES, BROKEN

GLASS, AND COMPLETE POWER

OUTAGES.

THE SPIRITS THAT YOU

THINK MIGHT BE GHOSTS ARE

NOT.

THEY'RE DEMONS.

YOU'RE INVITING THEM IN.

SO THEY THOUGHT, LET'S MESS

WITH THESE GIRLS.

Reporter: JESSICA

STOPPED USING OUIJA BOARDS

IN HIGH SCHOOL, BUT KEPT

SEEKING THE SUPER NATURAL.

I WAS LOOKING FOR

KNOWLEDGE AND POWER AND

SECRETS I THOUGHT OTHER

PEOPLE DIDN'T KNOW.

I WOULD SAY PEOPLE THOUGHT I

WAS A WITCH.

Reporter: MORE THAN

ANYTHING, JESSICA WAS

CURIOUS ABOUT DEATH.

I WOULD READ ANY KIND OF

BOOK I COULD GET MY HANDS ON

IN THE NEW AGE, ABOUT

NEAR-DEATH EXPERIENCES OR

THE PARANORMAL.

MY GREATEST FEAR WAS THERE

WAS EITHER NOTHING AFTER

DEATH, OR, WORSE, THERE WAS

HELL AND I WAS GOING THERE.

Reporter: JESSICA

MAJORED IN ART IN COLLEGE,

AND BEGAN CREATING IMAGES

THAT REFLECTED HER OBSESSION

WITH DEATH.

SHE MARRIED JOSH AND THEY

HAD TWO KIDS.

I WAS VERY EMPTY INSIDE.

JOSH AND I BOTH WERE REALLY

FINANCIALLY-DRIVEN.

AND WE WOULD SET THESE GOALS

FOR OURSELVES, AND ONCE WE

WOULD REACH THEM, WE WOULD

BE DISSATISFIED AGAIN.

Reporter: AS HER

ARTWORK GOT DARKER, SHE

BEGAN REALIZING THAT HER

DAUGHTER, JULIA WAS HAVING

FEARS.

THE IMAGES WERE BECOMING

REAL TO JULIA.

I WAS AFRAID OF MY

PARENTS ARE I DYING.

I BEGAN TO HAVE NIGHTMARES

ABOUT THIS GUY GIVING ME

POISON AND DRIVING ME AWAY.

Reporter: THEY TOOK HER

TO A THERAPIST, BUT THE FEAR

AND THE NIGHTMARES

CONTINUED.

NOT LONG AFTER THIS, THE

COUPLE SENT THEIR SON TO A

SCHOOL WHO'S FATHER WAS A

CHRISTIAN.

HE BEGAN QUESTIONING THEM

ABOUT THEIR BELIEFS.

JESSICA HAD ALREADY DECIDED

SHE DIDN'T WANT ANYTHING TO

DO WITH JESUS.

I FELT THAT PERHAPS GOD

WAS JUST A SET OF RULES, A

JUDGEMENTAL, SCARY

AUTHORITARIAN FIGURE.

BUT I FELT LIKE HE WAS

REMOVED AND WE WERE JUST

KIND OF OFF ON OUR OWN

HERE.

AND THERE WAS NO SATAN.

THERE WAS NO -- IT WAS JUST

ALL OUR IMAGINATION.

I WAS VERY PRIDEFUL AT THIS

POINT.

AND I DIDN'T NEED TO BE

SAVED FROM ANYTHING.

I HAD FALLEN FOR THAT

DECEPTION THAT IT WAS TRYING

TO HOLD WOMEN DOWN, IT WAS A

MALE-DOMINATED RELIGION.

AND HE WAS ABLE TO SHOW ME

IN THE BIBLE HOW THAT IS NOT

THE CASE AT ALL.

Reporter: AS JESSICA

AND JOSH READ THE BIBLE,

EVERYTHING THEY HAD BELIEVED

AND NOT BELIEVED CHANGED.

I READ THE GOSPEL OF JOHN

FIRST.

AND I REMEMBER LOOKING AT

JOSH SAYING, WOW, I THINK

THIS IS IT.

THIS IS THE TRUTH.

AND MY HEART DROPPED.

AND I BELIEVED THAT JESUS

WAS WHO HE SAID HE WAS.

HE WAS GOD.

AND THE BIBLE IS THE WORD OF

GOD.

AND I JUST REMEMBER DAN

LOOKING AT US, AND HE SAID

POINTBLANK, HAVE YOU GUYS

ACCEPTED JESUS AS YOUR LORD

AND SAVIOR.

AND WE BOTH BLURTED OUT YES,

AND WE MEANT IT.

AND I REMEMBER DAN SAYING,

THEN YOUR ETERNITY IS

SETTLED.

Reporter: WHEN JESSICA

GOT HOME, SHE HAD TO FACE

THE EVIL CHARACTERS SHE

CREATED AND INTRODUCED TO

OTHERS.

ALL OF THESE DARK IMAGES,

I'M WATCHING THEM COME OUT

OF THE PRINTER.

I FELT UTTER DISPAIR.

Reporter: JESSICA

CALLED HER MOM.

AND I JUST SAID, MOM, I

JUST ACCEPTED JESUS AS MY

LORD AND SAVIOR.

BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO

DO.

I DON'T FEEL LIKE HE CAN

FORGIVE ME.

AND SHE SAID, FOR YOUR ART?

AND I SAID YEAH.

>AND SHE SAID BECAUSE IT IS

SORT OF SATANIC?

AND I SAID YES.

AND SOMETHING TOLD ME TO GO

OPEN THE SHADES.

I CRAWLED OVER, TEARS COMING

DOWN, AND I LIFTED THE

SHADE, AND THERE WAS A HUGE

RAINBOW, JUST STRAIGHT UP,

OVER THE FIELD.

I FELT LIKE GOD WALKED RIGHT

IN THAT ROOM WITH ME AND

SAID, I FORGIVE YOU.

IT'S OKAY.

I HAVEN'T LOOKED BACK

SINCE.

Reporter: JESSICA AND

JOSH LITERALLY DUMPED ALL OF

THE DARK ARTWORK THEY HAD IN

THEIR HOUSE.

JESSICA REMOVED HERSELF FROM

EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THE

OCCULT.

THE COUPLE STARTED GOING TO

CHURCH AND STUDYING THE

BIBLE.

IF YOU COME TO HIM, HE

WILL GIVE YOU REST.

AND THAT'S WHAT I HAVE

EXPERIENCED.

I FEEL LIKE A BIG WEIGHT WAS

LIFTED OFF OF OUR LIVES.

Reporter: JESSICA IS NO

LONGER AFRAID OF DEATH, AND

NEITHER IS JULIA.

I AM NOT AFRAID BECAUSE

JESUS IS WITH ME AND HE

PROTECTS ME.

Reporter: TODAY THE

MESSAGE IN JESSICA'S ARTWORK

IS HOPE AND LIGHT.

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH

DEATH AND DARKNESS, AND

EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THE

LIGHT OF CHRIST.

ALL OF IT, TO ME, IS A

MIRACLE.

THAT SOMEONE LIKE ME COULD

FIND OUR FAITH, FIND HIM.

IT IS LIKE A VEIL LIFTED

WHEN YOU SEE IT.

AND ALL OF THE POWER AND

INTRIGUE THAT YOU THOUGHT

WAS WITH THE OCCULT IS

NOTHING COMPARED TO THE

LIGHT OF GOD AND HIS SUPER

NATURAL POWER.

AND I WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW

THAT GOD FORGIVES ANYTHING.

AND HIS GRACE IS BIG ENOUGH

FOR ALL OF US.

AND ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS

ASK.

Terry: GOD DOES FORGIVE

ANYTHING, AND HE LOVES YOU

MORE THAN YOU COULD HOPE FOR

OR IMAGINE.

YOU KNOW, EARLIER WE HEARD

TED DECKER TALK ABOUT THE

FACT THAT HE WRITES ABOUT

LIGHT.

HE WRITES ABOUT THE KIND OF

THINGS THAT JESSICA PAINTS

ABOUT RIGHT NOW.

AND GORDON TALKED ABOUT

THAT.

THAT THE DARKNESS CAN'T

QUENCH THE LIGHT.

A LOT OF TIMES THE SORT OF

SHADE THAT COMES OVER OUR

EYES SO WE CAN'T SEE WHAT

SHE IS TALKING ABOUT, THE

THING THAT BLOCKS US FROM

GOD, IS OUR OWN

UNWILLINGNESS TO SURRENDER

OURSELVES.

AND I THINK WHY DO WE MAKE

IT SO DIFFICULT.

BUT GOD WANTS TO SHOW YOU

WHO HE IS.

HE WANTS TO LOVE YOU.

WITH THE KIND OF LOVE THAT

IS LIFE CHANGING.

YOU CAN SEE IT IN THIS

LITTLE FAMILY'S STORY.

YOU CAN SEE IT IN THEIR

CHILDREN.

GOD WANTS TO DO THAT FOR

YOU.

IF THERE IS A DARKNESS IN

YOUR LIGHT, IF YOU FEEL LIKE

YOU HAVE BLINDERS ON TO THE

TRUTH, IF YOU FEEL LIKE

YOU'RE ARE BURDENED AND

HEAVY-LADEN, JESUS SAYS COME

TO ME.

I WANT TO GIVE YOU REST.

I WANT YOU TO KNOW WHO I

AM.

HE IS NOT A GOD WHO HIDES

FROM US OR MAKES IT

DIFFICULT FOR US TO KNOW

HIM.

HE IS THERE.

HE IS AVAILABLE.

BUT WE HAVE TO CHOOSE TO

COME.

WE HAVE TO SAY SOMETHING AS

SIMPLE AS, GOD, SHOW ME WHO

YOU ARE.

I WANT TO KNOW YOU.

JESSICA TALKED ABOUT BEING

TOO PRIDEFUL TO DO THAT.

I BELIEVE A LOT OF US GO

THROUGH THAT IN OUR LIVES,

WHERE WE THINK WE HAVE A

BETTER WAY.

SOMETIMES IT IS NOT UNTIL

SOMETHING HAPPENS THAT

BRINGS US TO OURSELVES,

WHERE WE SAY, GOD, SHOW ME

WHO YOU ARE.

AND WHEN WE EXPERIENCE HIM,

WE ASK OURSELVES, WHY DID WE

WAIT SO LONG.

THE BIBLE SAYS THAT GOD DOES

NOT WISH THAT ANYONE WOULD

PERISH, THAT ANYONE WOULD

LIVE WITH FEAR IN THEIR

HEARTS, OR LACK OF

UNDERSTANDING ABOUT WHO HE

IS.

HE WANTS ALL OF US TO BE

WITH HIM.

WE WERE CREATED TO THAT

ENDS.

BUT WE HAVE A CHOICE.

WE ARE NOT AUTOMITRONS.

GOD WANTS US TO LOVE HIM AND

HE WANTS TO LOVE US IN

RETURN.

IF YOU HAVEN'T EXPERIENCED

GOD AND IT HAS ROCKED YOUR

WORLD, TODAY IS THE DAY TO

START THAT.

YOU JUST ASK HIM.

JUST PRAY RIGHT NOW.

STOP WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND

SAY, GOD, I WANT TO KNOW

WHAT JESSICA KNOWS.

I WANT TO KNOW YOU IN EVERY

ASPECT OF MY LIFE.

I WANT TO UNDERSTAND HOW

MUCH YOU LOVE ME, AND I WANT

TO GIVE YOU MY HEART.

I WANT TO GIVE YOU MY LIFE.

I WANT TO GIVE YOU MY

FUTURE.

I WANT TO KNOW WHY YOU

CREATED ME.

ALL OF THOSE QUESTIONS ARE

ANSWERED IN A RELATIONSHIP

WITH JESUS CHRIST.

AND IT IS THE MOST EXCITING

DAY-TO-DAY ADVENTURE YOU'RE

EVER EMBARK ON.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO PRAY

WITH SOMEONE ABOUT A NEED IN

YOUR LIFE, YOU CAN CALL THAT

NUMBER THAT IS ON YOUR

SCREEN, 1-888-777-1999.

WE WANT YOU TO KNOW ABOUT

THE LORD.

AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO

RECEIVE THIS -- MAYBE YOU'VE

PRAYED THAT PRAYER.

MAYBE THAT IS YOUR HEART

DESIRE RIGHT NOW.

AND YOU JUST WANT TO HAVE A

QUIET CONVERSATION WITH THE

LORD.

DO THAT AND THEN CALL AND

ASK US FOR THIS.

IT IS A PACKET PUT TOGETHER

WITH YOU IN MIND.

IT IS CALLED "A NEW DAY."

IT IS FILLED WITH

INFORMATION ON WHAT DO YOU

DO AFTER YOU PRAYED THAT

PRAYER?

HOW DO YOU GROPE I GROW IN

YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE

LORD?

1-888-777-1999.

GORDON?

Gordon: PATRICK WRITES

IN, "I BELIEVE IN SPIRITS

LIKE DEMONS AND ANGELS, BUT

I HEAR PEOPLE SAY THINGS

LIKE HUMAN SPIRITS IN

RELATION TO GHOSTS.

AREN'T OUR OPTIONS HEAVEN

AND HELL, AND THERE ARE NO

GHOSTS, RIGHT?"

Gordon: PAUL WRITES, TO

BE ABSENT FROM THE BODY

MEANS THAT YOU'RE TRANSLATED

INTO HIS PRESENCE.

THERE IS ONE INSTANCE WHERE

THE WITCH OF ENDOR IS

CONSULTED BY SAUL.

AND TO HER SURPRISE, SHE IS

STARTLED BY THE SPIRIT OF

SAMUEL COMING AND BEING WITH

THEM IN THE ROOM.

THAT LITERALLY HE WAS CALLED

BACK FROM THE DEAD.

AND SAMUEL IS KIND OF MAD

ABOUT IT.

WHY DID YOU WAKE ME UP?

IF GOD WON'T ANSWER YOUR

PRAYER, WHY DO YOU THINK I

WILL?

THAT'S THE ONE N INSTANCE.

BUT IN NEW TESTAMENT TIMES,

AND THIS IS AFTER THE DEATH

AND RESURRECTION OF JESUS

CHRIST, IT APPEARS TO HAVE

CHANGED THINGS.

SO TO BE ABSENT FROM THE

BODY IS TO BE PRESENT WITH

THE LORD.

SO THERE AREN'T A BUNCH OF

HUMAN GHOSTS RUNNING

AROUND.

THAT'S ALL THE TIME WE HAVE

FOR THIS PROGRAM.

WE LEAVE YOU WITH THESE

WORDS FROM PSALM 56: "FOR

WHEN I AM AFRAID, I PUT MY

TRUST IN YOU."

FOR TERRY, ME, AND ALL OF US

HERE, WE'LL SEE YOU AGAIN.

GOD BLESS YOU YOU.

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