I'M OUT OF HERE.
Lee: A SECRET
ADDICTION.
ESCORTS AND PROSTITUTES,
AND WHATEVER YOU WANT TO
CALL THEM.
Lee: A TRAPPED WIFE.
I FEEL LIKE HIS BALL AND
CHAIN AT TIMES.
Lee: A BUSTED HUSBAND.
I CAME BACK TO AN EMPTY
HOUSE AND HER MARRIAGE RING
ON THE MANTEL.
Lee: AND A MARRIAGE ON
THE ROCKS.
ONE HALF OF MY LIFE HAS
COME CRASHING DOWN.
Lee: WHY THEY STUCK
TOGETHER.
GOD'S VOICE IS LOUDER TO
ME THAN ANYONE ELSE'S.
Lee: A SPECIAL EDITION
ON "THE 700 CLUB."
Pat: WELCOME TO "THE
700 CLUB."
BLACK SMOKE ISSUED FORTH
FROM THE SISTINE CHAPEL
YESTERDAY.
THAT MEANS NO POPE YET.
AND WE'VE ALSO -- HOW TALL
ARE YOU?
Kristi: 5' 7."
Pat: DO YOU BELIEVE
WE'RE GOING TO SHOW SEVEN
FEET OF REGULATIONS FOR THE
OBAMACARE?
THAT'S A FOOT AND A HALF
TALLER THAN YOU ARE.
Kristi: THAT'S PRETTY
TALL.
Pat: WE'LL SHOW
PICTURES OF WHAT IT LOOKS
LIKE.
AND YOU'VE GOT TO READ
THROUGH ALL OF IT TO GET
HEALTH CARE.
Kristi: REMEMBER THAT
WOMAN WHO HAD THAT BOOK, AND
IT WAS THIS LONG, WHO READ
ALL OF IT, AND I THINK SHE
WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO
ACTUALLY READ IT.
Pat: THEY'RE LOOKING
FOR A POPE OVER IN ROME WHO
WILL HAVE TO HANDLE SOME
TOUGH PROBLEMS FACING THE
CATHOLIC CHURCH.
Kristi: THE CATHOLIC
CHURCH IN LOS ANGELES HAS
REACHED A SETTLEMENT IN FOUR
SEX ABUSE CASES, AND IT IS
GOING TO COST THEM NEARLY
$10 MILLION.
IT IS JUST ONE OF THE ISSUES
THE NEXT POPE MUST DEAL
WITH.
HERE IS CHRIS MITCHELL FROM
ROME.
Reporter: EVEN IN THE
DIGITAL AGE, 115 CARDINALS
COMMUNICATE BY BLACK SMOKE.
HERE IN VATICAN CITY, THERE
IS AN AIR OF EXPECTATION OF
WHEN THE CARDINALS WILL
REACH THEIR DECISION, AND
WHO THE NEXT POPE WILL BE.
IF HISTORY IS ANY JUDGE, IT
MAY NOT BE THAT LONG.
I DON'T THINK IT WILL
TAKE MORE THAN TWO OR THREE
DAYS, AT MOST.
WE HAVEN'T HAD A CONCLAVE GO
OVER FIVE DAYS SINCE 1831.
SO IF THEY GO MORE THAN
THAT, THEN WE KNOW THEY HAVE
PROBLEMS, THAT THEY'RE
HAVING A DIFFICULTY.
Reporter: MANY
CATHOLICS WE TALK TO HERE
ARE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT
OVERALL CHURCH LEADERSHIP
THAN WHO BECOMES POPE.
WE EXPECT A GOOD LEADER
IN THIS AGE, WHERE THERE IS
A CRISIS ABOUT FAITH.
I THINK THEY HAVE LOST A
BIT OF VISION IN THE
FUTURE.
PERHAPS THIS ONE NEEDS TO
GIVE US THE RIGHT
DIRECTION.
I THINK THE POPE IS A
REFLECTION OF THE DIRECTION
THE CHURCH IS GOING TO GO
IN, AND WHAT THE CARDINALS
ARE THINKING.
Reporter: DR. THOMAS
REESE, AUTHOR OF "INSIDE THE
VATICAN," SAYS THE CHURCH
NEEDS TO CONFRONT ONE OF ITS
SERIOUS PROBLEMS.
WE HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE
THE SEX ABUSE CRISIS,
ESPECIALLY FOR THE CHILDREN
THAT WERE HARMED.
THE AMERICAN BISHOPS ARE
VERY CONCERNED THAT ANY POPE
THEY WANT TO SEE ELECTED HAS
TO BE INVOLVED IN ANY SEXUAL
ABUSE.
Reporter: HOW THE
CHURCH AND THE NEXT POPE
CONFRONTS THIS ISSUE AND THE
OTHER CHALLENGES FACING IT
REMAINS TO BE SEEN.
BUT THE WORLD WILL BE
WAGING.
THE PAPAL CONCLAVE IS
ATTRACTING WORLDWIDE
ATTENTION.
THEIR REPORTS WILL REACH
NEARLY EVER PLACE ON THE
GLOBE.
CHRIS MITCHELL, CBN NEWS,
VATICAN CITY, ROME.
Pat: THE POPE IS A
SPIRITUAL LEADER OF NOT ONLY
THE CATHOLICS, BUT MANY
OTHERS.
HIS PRONOUNCEMENTS HAVE
GREAT IMPACT IN THE WORLD.
MANY OF US DEEPLY ADMIRED
POPE JOHN PAUL II.
HE WAS LOVED BY PEOPLE IN
AMERICA, REGARDLESS OF THEIR
RELIGIOUS AFFILIATION.
AND I BELIEVE THE CURRENT
POPE IS A TREMENDOUS GUY.
HE JUST IS A LITTLE MORE
RESERVED THAN JOHN PAUL.
WE LOOK TO THE CATHOLICS TO
GIVE SOMETHING THAT WILL BE
A SYMBOL FOR THE RELIGIOUS
VIEWS OF THE CHRISTIANS
AROUND THE WORLD.
AND WE WISH THEM THE VERY
BEST.
YOU KNOW -- I WON'T SAY
ANYTHING MORE ABOUT THE SEX
ABUSE.
THEY'VE GOT THEIR PROBLEMS
AND THEY NEED TO DEAL WITH
IT.
THEY NEED TO DEAL WITH IT IN
THE SEMINARIES.
IT IS A TOUGH THING WHEN
YOU'VE GOT SOME OF THE
PROBLEMS THEY HAVE.
WELL, HERE IS SOME OTHER
GROUPS THAT HAVE PROBLEMS.
HERE AT HOME, THE BOY SCOUTS
ARE TAKING ON A MAJOR MORAL
DECISION.
LEE WEBB HAS THAT STORY FROM
THE CBN NEWS ROOM.
HERE IS LEE.
Lee: PAT, THE BOY
SCOUTS OF AMERICA IS
SURVEYING ITS MEMBERS TO
DETERMINE THEIR VIEWS ON
HOMOSEXUALITY.
THE 13-QUESTION SURVEY WAS
SENT TO MORE THAN A MILLION
ADULTS INVOLVED IN
SCOUTING.
IT ASKED HIM TO SHARE THEIR
VIEWS ON THE IMPACT OF
ALLOWING GAY SCOUT LEADERS
AND MEMBERS.
AND IT ALSO INCLUDES
HYPOTHETICAL SITUATIONS LIKE
THIS ONE: BOB IS 15 YEARS
OLD AND THE ONLY OPENLY GAY
IN A BOY SCOUT TROOP.
IT IS ACCEPTABLE OR
UNACCEPTABLE FOR THE TROOP
LEADER TO ALLOW BOB TO TENT
WITH ANOTHER BOY, WHO IS
HETEROSEXUAL.
DEMOCRATS IN THE SENATE HAVE
FINALLY PUT TOGETHER THEIR
FIRST BUDGET IN FOUR YEARS.
IT INCLUDES NEARLY A
TRILLION DOLLARS IN NEW
TAXES, BUT IT STILL DOESN'T
BALANCE THE BUDGET.
AND THERE ARE PLENTY OF
EXAMPLES OF GOVERNMENT
WASTE.
THE NATIONAL INSTITUTES OF
HEALTH, FOR EXAMPLE, IS
GIVING GRANTS OF
$1.5 MILLION TO FIND OUT WHY
THREE-QUARTERS OF LES
LESBIANSS ARE OBESE, BUT GAY
MALES ARE NOT.
AND THEY'RE SPENDING A
QUARTER OF A MILLION OF
DOLLARS TO STUDY PICTURES OF
ANIMALS IN NATIONAL
GEOGRAPHIC MAGAZINE.
AND DESPITE BUDGET CUTS, THE
GOVERNMENT HAS ADVERTISED
FOR 2600 NEW JOBS IN THE
LAST WEEK AND A HALF.
Pat: IT IS A TOTAL
FRAUD, WHAT HAS BEEN PUT
OUT, AND THE PRESIDENT HAS
GOT EGG ALL OVER HIS FACE.
AND THESE THINGS -- THEY'RE
GOING TO SPEND HOW MUCH
MONEY TO FIND OUT WHY
LESBIANS ARE FAT?
PLEASE.
I MEAN, THAT'S YOUR TAX
DOLLARS AT WORK.
YOU GO THROUGH A LIST OF THE
HORRIBLES OF WHAT GOES ON AT
THE GOVERNMENT, AND YOU SAY,
ARE THESE PEOPLE OUT OF
THEIR MIND?
AND YET THEY'RE BORROWING
MONEY FROM CHINA TO STUDY,
FOR EXAMPLE, THE IMPACT OF
ALCOHOL ON CHINESE
PROSTITUTES.
I MEAN, LIKE, WHO CARES?
MAYBE THE CHINESE CARE, BUT
WE SHOULDN'T BE PAYING OUR
TAX MONEY, NOR SHOULD WE BE
BORROWING FROM CHINA TO
STUDY THEIR PROBLEM.
WHEW!
DON'T GET ME STARTED.
ALL RIGHT, WELL, LEE, LET'S
LOOK AT SOMETHING ELSE.
Lee: PAT, PRESIDENT
OBAMA'S NEW POLICY GROUP,
ORGANIZING FOR ACTION, IS
HOLDING A SUMMIT IN
WASHINGTON, AND THE
PRESIDENT IS A FEATURED
SPEAKER.
THE WHITE HOUSE SAYS O.F.A.
IS DESIGNED TO HELP THE
MIDDLE CLASS.
BUT CRITICS FROM THE LEFT
AND THE RIGHT ARGUE IT LOOKS
MORE LIKE A LOBBYING GROUP
TO PUSH THE PRESIDENT'S
AGENDA.
JENNIFER WISHON EXPLAINS.
Reporter:
SOME WATCHDOG
GROUPS CALL IT A SCANDAL
WAITING TO HAPPEN, AND
THEY'RE ASKING PRESIDENT
OBAMA TO SHUT DOWN WHAT THEY
CALL A NEW DANGEROUS ARM OF
HIS PRESIDENCY.
THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT
"ORGANIZING FOR ACTION," THE
NON-PROFIT CREATED OUT OF
THE PRESIDENT'S RE-ELECTION
MACHINE, OBAMA FOR AMERICA.
IT IS DESIGNED TO REDIRECT
THE POWER OF HIS POLITICAL
CAMPAIGN TO BACK HIS POLICY
AGENDA,
DEPLOYING
RESOURCES
TO PROMOTE ITEMS LIKE GUN
CONTROL, IMMIGRATION REFORM,
AND CLIMATE CHANGE.
IT IS RUN BY FORMER TOP
OBAMA ADVISORS.
EVEN THE GROUP'S WEBSITE
LOOKS AN AWFUL LOT LIKE THE
PRESIDENT'S CAMPAIGN.
RAISING QUESTIONS ABOUT
WHERE THE GOVERNMENT AND THE
WHITE HOUSE ENDS, AND THE
POLITICAL ACTIVITIES BEGAN.
MICHELLE OBAMA HELPED
LAUNCHED IT.
THIS IS YOUR MOVEMENT.
GOING FORWARD, IT COULD BE
WHATEVER YOU MAKE OF IT.
Reporter: TONIGHT
O.F.A., AS IT IS KNOWN, IS
HOLDING ITS FOUNDER SUMMIT.
DONORS HAVE ACCESS TO THE
COMMANDER IN CHIEF HIMSELF.
THE COST FOR A SEAT AT THE
TABLE, $50,000 PER PERSON.
I JUST THINK THAT IS
WRONG.
Reporter: BOB EDGAR IS
PRESIDENT OF "COMMON CAUSE,"
A GROUP DEDICATED TO OPEN
AND ACCOUNTABLE GOVERNMENT.
HE SAYS THE PRESIDENT IS
BLOWING HIS CHANCE TO PROVE
HE IS SERIOUS ABOUT CAMPAIGN
FINANCE REFORM AND
MINIMIZING THE MONEY THAT
MONEY PLAYS IN POLITICS.
ONCE THE PRESIDENT WON
RE-ELECTION, HE SHOULD HAVE
STOPPED, THOUGHT ABOUT THIS
ORGANIZATION, AND ORGANIZED
FROM THE BOTTOM UP, AND NOT
FROM THE TOP DOWN.
Reporter: THE WHITE
HOUSE SAYS O.F.A. IS FOR
AVERAGE AMERICANS, AND IT
DENIES REPORTS THAT MEGA
DONORS WHO BUNDLE $5,000 FOR
MORE FOR O.F.A. WILL GET
THEIR OWN QUARTERLY MEETINGS
WITH THE PRESIDENT.
O.F.A. WAS SET UP TO
PROMOTE THE PRESIDENT'S
PUBLIC POLICY AGENDA.
AND AS ANYONE WOULD EXPECT,
HE WOULD MEET WITH THEM TO
DISCUSS HIS AGENDA.
THERE IS A PRICE SET FOR THE
MEETING FOR THE PRESIDENT IS
ABSURD.
Reporter: THE GROUP
PROMISES TO HELP RAISE
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO
EMPLOY AN ARMY OF POLITICAL
ACTIVISTS TO ADVANCE THE
PRESIDENT'S AGENDA.
JENNIFER WISHON, CBN NEWS,
WASHINGTON.
Lee: IT IS OBVIOUS THAT
CARNEY HAD A PREPARED
STATEMENT TO GO FOR THE
PRESS.
Pat: YOU KNOW HE DID.
$50,000 FOR DINNER.
THAT'S A RIGHT EXPENSIVE
DINNER, EVEN IF THE CHEF AND
THE WHITE HOUSE IS UP TO THE
TOP FORM.
$50,000 IS A LOT OF MONEY
FOR FORS FILET MIGNON.
Lee: THE ASSOCIATED
PRESS REPORTS THAT A DRAFT
OF AN APPLICATION FOR A
THREE-PERSON FAMILY RUNS 15
PAGES.
THE ONLINE VERSION HAS 21
STEPS, SOME WITH ADDITIONAL
QUESTIONS.
APPLICATION WILL BE CHECKED
BY THREE FEDERAL AGENCIES,
INCLUDING -- YOU GUESSED
IT -- THE I.R.S.
MORE THAN FOUR MILLION
APPLICATIONS FOR FINANCIAL
ASSISTANCE ARE EXPECTED NEXT
YEAR.
THE NEW COVERAGE STARTS
JANUARY 1st, AND
ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS SAY
IT IS BEE REFINED.
BUT THEY SAY PICKING A
HEALTH PROGRAM WILL BE AS
EASY AS SHOPPING ON THE
INTERNET IS NOT TRUE.
REPUBLICAN SENATOR MITCH
McCONNELL SENT OUT THIS
PROPOSAL OF THE 20,000 PAGES
OF THE OBAMACARE
REGULATIONS.
IT IS MORE THAN SEVEN FEET
HIGH.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, ALL OF
THAT PAPER IS WRAPPED UP IN
RED TAPE.
Kristi: WOW!
Pat: THAT'S WHAT
HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE A
WHOLE LOT OF PAID POLITICAL
APPOINTEES MAKING
DECISIONS.
THEY HAVE LOST TOUCH WITH
REALITY.
SEVEN FEET OF REGULATIONS
WRAPPED IN RED TAPE.
Kristi: WOW!
Pat: THAT'S WHAT THEY
HAVE GOT.
AND, YOU KNOW, I'M GLAD TO
SEE THAT THE A.P. IS
STARTING TO TURN RIGHTEOUS.
NOT FULLY RIGHTEOUS, BUT
PARTIALLY RIGHTEOUS.
THEY ARE STARTING TO REPORT
THINGS AS THEY ARE, AND GOOD
FOR THEM.
LET'S HOPE THEY DO MORE OF
THAT.
THIS IS A SWITCH.
BUT, HEY, WE'LL TAKE
EVERYTHING THAT COMES.
KRISTI?
Kristi: ALL I CAN SAY
IS THAT OLD SAYING, A
PICTURE IS WORTH A THOUSAND
WORDS.
Pat: IF YOU WERE
STANDING BESIDE IT, IT WOULD
TOWER OVER YOUR HEAD.
Kristi: RIDICULOUS.
UP NEXT, THEY'RE BULLYING
THEIR OPPONENTS WHILE SAYING
THEY'RE THE VICTIMS.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE
SCHOOL YARDS HERE.
BEN SHAPIRO TELLS US HOW TO
BEAT THEM AT THEIR OWN GAME,
COMING UP ON "THE 700
CLUB."
*
Pat: HEY, I'VE GOT A
BOOK HERE BY A GUY NAMED BEN
SHAPIRO.
MAN, HE IS A WONDER KING.
HE IS AMAZING.
HE GRADUATED FROM LAW
SCHOOL, SUMA KUM LAUDI.
AND BEN SHAPIRO IS CARRYING
ON.
AND HE HAS WRITTEN A BOOK
CALLED "BULLYING."
AND BULLYING DOESN'T JUST
MEAN BIG KIDS PICKING ON
LITTLE KIDS.
YOU CAN ALSO FIND BULLYING
IN POLITICS.
YOU MIGHT BE SURPRISED TO
FIND OUT WHO SOME OF THOSE
BULLIES ARE.
TAKE A LOOK.
Reporter: BULLYING, IN
WASHINGTON, IT IS POLITICS
AS USUAL, WITH SOME OF THE
BIGGEST DEFENDERS BEING
THOSE WHO PROTEST AGAINST
THE PRACTICE THE MOST.
BULLYING HAS MORVE MORPHED
INTO WHAT SOME CALL THE
USUAL.
THAT'S HOW BRIGHT.COM'S
AUTHOR, BEN SHAPIRO SEES
IT.
HE EXPERIENCED FIRSTHAND
WHEN HE RECENTLY CAME OUT
AGAINST THE PRESIDENT'S GUN
BAN PROPOSALS ON THE PIERCE
MORGAN SHOW.
YOU'RE ABSURD, YOU'RE
STUPID.
Reporter: IN HIS NEWEST
BOOK, "BULLIES, HOW THE LEFT
CULTURE OF FEAR AND IN
INTIMIDATION SILENCES THE
MEDIA," HE SAYS BULLIES ARE
PLAYING THE SEX AND RACISM
CARD, ALL THE WHILE CLAIMING
TO BE VICTIMS.
Pat: BEN SHAPIRO IS
JOINING US NOW FROM
WASHINGTON.
GOOD TO SEE YOU.
THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
Pat: WHAT DO THESE GUYS
DO ON THE LEFT?
GIVE US A FEW HORROR
STORIES.
EVERY TIME THE LEFT HAS A
POLICY IT WANTS TO PUSH, THE
ONLY WAY IT CAN PUSH THE
POLICY IS BY SUGGESTING THAT
WE ON THE OTHER SIDE ARE
MORALLY DEFICIENT.
THE LATEST EXAMPLES ARE ON
THE SEQUESTRATION, AND
PRESIDENT OBAMA IMPLYING THE
OM REASOONLY REASON WE
WON'T BUY INTO THIS PLAN IS
BECAUSE WE DON'T LIKE POOR
PEOPLE OR TEACHERS.
AND ON GUN CONTROL, STACKING
A BUNCH OF 7-YEAR-OLDS
BEHIND HIM TO MAKE THEPOINT
IF WE JUST LOVED KIDS A
LITTLE MORE, WE WOULD AGREE
WITH HIM ON GUN CONTROL.
IT ALWAYS COMES DOWN TO THE
SAME ARGUMENT.
IF WE DON'T AGREE WITH THE
LIBERAL POINT OF VIEW, IT
COMES DOWN TO THE PROBLEM
THAT WE ARE HORRIBLE
PEOPLE.
Pat: RACISTS,
SEXISTS -- THE THING IS,
THAT RHETORIC HAS WORKED,
HASN'T IT?
YEAH.
Pat: THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE SAY OBAMA CARES ABOUT
ME AND MITT ROMNEY DIDN'T
CARE ABOUT ME.
HE SOLD IT.
AND WHY?
IF YOU LOOK AT THE 2012
ELECTION, THIS IS WHY THEY
LOST.
MITT ROMNEY DEFINED BARACK
OBAMA AS A NICE GUY, A GOOD
FATHER AND FAMILY MAN,
BELIEVED IN THE
CONSTITUTION, JUST NOT VERY
GOOD AT BEING PRESIDENT.
AND THE POLLS REFLECTED
THAT.
BARACK OBAMA PAINTED MITT
ROMNEY AS THE WORST GUY
SINCE STALLIN, HE HAD
BINDERS FULL OF WOMEN
BECAUSE HE DIDN'T LIKE
THEM.
AND MOST AMERICANS GIVEN A
CHOICE BETWEEN A GOOD
GUY/BAD PRESIDENT OR A
HORRIBLE HUMAN BEING WILL
CHOOSE GOOD GUY/BAD
PRESIDENT.
Pat: WHAT ARE THE
REPUBLICANS GOING TO DO TO
FILL THAT GAP.
I THINK THEY HAVE TO STOP
ARGUING POLICY.
CIVILITY IS LIKE THE GENEVA
CONVENTION.
ONCE YOU STEP OUT OF
CIVILITY, YOU HAVE TO
REPLY.
THE PROPER RESPONSE, WHEN
CALLED A RACIST, OH, NO, I
HAVE BLACK FRIENDS.
THE PROPER RESPONSE IS NO,
RACISM IS SOMETHING TO WHICH
YOU DON'T AGREE.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT
REPUBLICANS NEED TO DO ON A
MORE REGULAR BASIS.
Pat: THAT'S WHAT LITTLE
KIDS ON THE PLAYGROUNDS DO,
YOU'RE A LIAR, NO, YOU'RE A
LIAR.
YOU HAVE TO EXPOSE THEIR
TACTICS.
ALL LIBERALISM IS BADE ON
FLIGHT OF HAND.
THEY DON'T HAVE FACTS OR
EVIDENCE.
THEY ARE ARGUING CHARACTER,
AND WE'RE ARGUING POLICY.
ARGUMENTS ABOUT CHARACTER
WILL ALSO DEFEAT ARGUMENTS
ABOUT POLICY.
WE HAVE TO TAKE IT OFF THE
TABLE.
AND WE HAVE TO MAKE IT CLEAR
TO THE LEFT, IF THEY ARGUE
CHARACTER, WE'LL ARGUE
CHARACTER, AND THEN WE CAN
ACTUALLY GET DOWN TO WHAT IS
BEST FOR THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE, AS OPPOSED TO
"YOU'RE A BAD PERSON."
Pat: KIND OF LIKE WHAT
THEY USED TO SAY IN
MASSACHUSETTS, IF YOU WON'T
LIE ABOUT US, WE WON'T TELL
THE TRUTH ABOUT YOU.
DO YOU THINK THE MEDIA IS
GOING TO PLAY THAT?
THEY SEEM COMPLICIT IN THIS
OBAMA THING.
ALTHOUGH NOW THEY'RE
BEGINNING TO QUESTION HIM.
ONCE THEY SHUT THE WHITE
HOUSE TOURS DOWN, HE BROUGHT
CRITICISM ON THEM.
THE MEDIA ARE THE BIGGEST
BULLIES BECAUSE THEY HIDE
BEHIND OBJECTIVITY TO
PRETEND THEY'RE TELLING THE
TRUTH.
THE FACT THAT GEORGE
STEPANOPOULOS IS CONSIDERED
AN OBJECTIVE REPORTER AFTER
BEING IN THE CLINTON
ADMINISTRATION -- THAT'S
ABSURD.
THAT'S WHY HE WAS ASKING
MITT ROMNEY, FOR EXAMPLE,
ABOUT CONTRACEPTIVE LAWS IN
THE STATE.
IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH
ANYTHING, BUT HE WAS
ATTEMPTING TO PUSH OUT THIS
OBAMA TALKING POINT.
THE MEDIA MUST BE DESTROYED
AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS.
NOW THEY'RE SHOWING A LITTLE
SKEPTICISM BECAUSE IT IS
SAFE TO COME OUT.
NOW THAT OBAMA HAS BEEN
RE-ELECTED.
BUT DON'T BE FOOLED, THIS IS
A MEDIA VERY MUCH IN THE
POCKET OF THE DEMOCRATIC
NATIONAL COMMITTEE, AND IT
IS A DEMOCRATIC PARTY THAT
CONTROLS THE MEDIA.
Pat: BEN, THANK YOU FOR
YOUR BOOK, "BULLIES."
AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR
INSIGHTS.
I HOPE YOU'RE SUCCESSFUL.
THANKS SO MUCH.
Pat: BEN SHAPIRO,
AMAZING.
AMAZING.
Kristi: I'LL SAY THIS,
PAT, WE DEFINITELY DON'T
KNOW WHERE HE STANDS --
THAT'S SARCASM.
Pat: WERE YOU
BULLIED -- YOU HAD ALL KINDS
OF BAD THINGS HAPPEN?
Kristi: I WAS NEVER
BULLIED, BUT I DID HAVE
EXPERIENCES OF GENUINE
RACISM.
I GOT SPIT ON THE FACE AND
CALLED A NAME.
Pat: SPIT IN THE FACE
IN LIBERAL MASSACHUSETTS?
Kristi: WHEN I WAS
GROWING UP, WE MOVED EVERY
THREE YEARS OF MY LIFE.
MASSACHUSETTS FOR ME WAS THE
PLACE I EXPERIENCED THE
GREATEST BLATENT FORM OF
RACISM.
WHERE IT WASN'T JUST
SH-SH-SH.
IT WAS LET ME TELL YOU WHO
YOU ARE, AND SPAT, IN MY
FACE.
Pat: THEY DID THAT?
YES.
WALKING TO SCHOOL, AND ON
THE SCHOOL BUS, THIS LITTLE
BOY SPIT IN MY FACE AND SAID
WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE?
Pat: IN MASSACHUSETTS?
SHI MASSACHUSETTS.
Pat: AND YOU STAYED
SWEET?
BECAUSE OF JESUS.
Pat: OR YOU WOULD HAVE
HIT HIM IN THE FACE?
YES.
I CRIED.
AND MY MOTHER AND FATHER
TALKED TO ME ABOUT JESUS,
AND WHATEVER NAME SOMEBODY
SAID TO ME, I'M A CHILD OF
GOD.
YOYOU SHRUG IT OFF AND ASK
GOD TO BLESS HIM.
BUT DON'T GET CLOSE.
Pat: MY BOXING COACH
SAID YOU HIT ME IN ONE
CHEEK, YOU TURN THE OTHER
CHEEK.
KRISTI WHO SURVIVED
MASSACHUSETTS, AND THE
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT WANTS TO
BEAT UP ON ALABAMA AND
GEORGIA, AND LOUISIANA.
Kristi: THE BOTTOM LINE
IS IT HAPPENS EVERYWHERE.
EVERYBODY HAS ISSUES, AND
PRAISE JESUS FOR JESUS.
Pat: THAT WAS VERY
INSPIRING.
Kristi: ARE YOU
INSPIRED?
Pat: YOU'RE VERY
INSPIRING, KRISTI.
Kristi: I'M GLAD I
COULD HELP YOU IN SOME
WAYS.
UP NEXT, A SNOOPING WIFE
FOUND OUT MORE THAN SHE
EXPECTED.
THERE WERE PAGES OF
DIFFERENT PROSTITUTES, THEIR
NAMES, AND ALL OF THEIR
STATS.
AND SOME HE HAD
WRITTEN, LIKE, WHAT HE HAD
DONE WITH THEM.
Kristi: THE ADDICTION
THAT POISONED THIS MARRIAGE,
AND THE CURE, COMING UP ON
"THE 700 CLUB."
Pat: MARRIAGE, 50% OF
THE MARRIAGES END IN DIVORCE
IN AMERICA.
SHOCKING.
THE AMOUNT OF POVERTY AMONG
SINGLE WOMEN, VICTIMS OF
DIVORCE, APPALLING.
THE DAMAGE TO WOMEN,
APPALLING.
AND WE HAVE SO-CALLED
NO-FAULT DIVORCE LAWS, WHERE
IT IS SO EASY TO GET OUT OF
A MARRIAGE.
BUT INSIDE OF MARRIAGES,
WHAT IS HAPPENING IS THE
PORNOGRAPHY ON THE INTERNET,
THE PORNOGRAPHY THAT IS
AVAILABLE ON CABLE TV, AND
THE PORNOGRAPHY ON MAGAZINES
AND BILLBOARDS, AND THE SEX
INDUSTRY HAS BEEN
GLORIFIED.
THESE PEOPLE ARE HEROS.
YOU KNOW, HOW TO MAKE LOVE
LIKE A PORN STAR.
THIS BECOMES A BIG THING.
OKAY, WELL, IT ISN'T
SURPRISING THEN THAT MEN GET
ADDICTED TO INTERNET
PORNOGRAPHY.
AND TIM ALLEN WAS SUCH A
MAN.
HE ALSO WAS FREQUENTING
PROSTITUTES.
HE LEFT FILES OF HIS SEXUAL
ESCAPADES RIGHT IN HIS HOME
OFFICE UNTIL ONE DAY THE
WIFE BEGAN TO INQUIRE, AND
LOOK THROUGH THESE MATERIALS
AND WAS SHOCKED.
Reporter: WHEN AMY
ALLEN WENT SNOOPING THROUGH
HER HUSBAND, TIM'S OFFICE
FILES, WHAT SHE FOUND BROKE
HER HEART.
HE HAD PAGES OF DIFFERENT
PROSTITUTES, THEIR NAMES,
ALL OF THEIR STATS, AND HOW
TO GET AHOLD OF THEM. AND
SOME HE HAD WRITTEN, LIKE,
WHAT HE HAD DONE WITH SOME
OF THEM.
AND THAT WAS CRUSHING.
I SAID, I'M OUT OF HERE.
I CAN'T DEAL WITH THIS
ANYMORE.
WHAT I CAME BACK TO WAS
AN EMPTY HOUSE WITH HER
WEDDING RING SITTING ON THE
MANTEL OF THE HOUSE, AND I
REALIZED IT WAS OVER.
Reporter: TIM'S SECRET
SEX ADDICTION HAD FINALLY
COME TO LIGHT, AND HIS
MARRIAGE TO AMY WAS OVER.
IT ALL STARTED IN HIS
CHILDHOOD.
PORNOGRAPHY HAD BEEN IN
MY LIFE SINCE I WAS ABOUT
NINE, PROBABLY EVEN BEFORE
THAT.
PLAYBOY, MY GRANDPARENTS --
MY GRANDFATHER HAD IT.
I LOOKED FOR IT ALL OF THE
TIME WHEN I WAS DOWN THERE.
Reporter: TIM'S
ADDICTION TO PORN ONLY
INCREASED AS HE GOT OLDER.
UNFORTUNATELY, AFTER HE
MARRIED AMY, HE BEGAN
PLAYING OUT HIS FANTASIES
WITH OTHER WOMEN.
THE PORNOGRAPHY STUFF IN
MAGAZINES WAS NOT ENOUGH
ANYMORE.
THAT WAS ACTUALLY SOMETHING
DIFFERENT AND INTERESTING.
I WANT MORE OF THAT.
Reporter: AT HOME, AMY
KNEW SOMETHING WAS WRONG IN
THEIR RELATIONSHIP, BUT
COULDN'T QUITE FIGURE IT
OUT.
I FELT LIKE HE DIDN'T
EVEN WANT TO BE WITH ME.
I FELT LIKE HIS BALL AND
CHAIN AT TIMES.
Reporter: AS THE
INTERNET GREW IN POPULARITY,
TIM'S LUST FOR OUTSIDE SEX
GREW OUT OF CONTROL.
TIM DEVELOPED AN ON-GOING
RELATIONSHIP WITH A WOMAN
SHE MET ON THE WEB.
AMY FOUND OUT WHEN SHE FOUND
CONDOS IN A BAG THEY BOTH
SHARED.
I WAS YELLING AT HIM, AND
SCREAMING OBSCENITIES,
SAYING WHAT IS WRONG WITH
YOU?
I PACKED SOME BAGS AND TOOK
THEM DOWN TO HIS OFFICE THAT
DAY AND PUT THEM IN HIS
TRUCK.
I'M ABOUT READY TO THROW
AWAY EVERYTHING SINCE WE'VE
MET, EVERYTHING I'VE WORKED
FOR, FOR AN AFFAIR I HAVE
WITH THIS YOUNG WOMAN THAT I
DON'T EVEN REALLY LIKE, BUT
IT WAS SEX.
AND THAT STILL HAD ITS
TENTACLES ON ME.
Reporter: EVENTUALLY
AMY AND TIM TRIED TO SALVAGE
THEIR MARRIAGE.
AND TIM MOVED BACK HOME.
THEY STARTED GOING TO
CHURCH, BUT TIM'S MIND WAS
ELSEWHERE.
HE STILL CRAZED SEX.
YOU GET ON THE INTERNET
AND YOU SEE ESCORTS AND
PROSTITUTES, AND WHATEVER
YOU WANT TO CALL THEM,
OFFERING WHAT I WANTED FOR
MONEY.
NO STRINGS ATTACHED.
Reporter: TIM CRUISED
THE CITY STREETS AND THE
INTERNET TO SET UP
RENDEZVOUSES WITH
PROSTITUTES.
THAT'S WHEN AMY FOUND HIS
FILES IN HIS HOME OFFICE.
SOME OF THE STUFF SHE WAS
READING WAS HORRIBLE.
BUT I HAD PUT IT DOWN, AND
SHE FOUND IT AND PACKED
EVERYTHING UP AND LEFT.
Reporter: AMY MOVED
BACK HOME WITH HER MOM.
SHE STARTED ATTENDING CHURCH
AND ACCEPTED CHRIST AS HER
SAVIOR.
GOD WAS HELPING ME TO SEE
IT THROUGH HIS EYES, AND
THAT WE'RE ALL SINNERS.
Reporter: TIM WAS AT
HIS LOWEST POINT: HIS
MARRIAGE WAS OVER AND HIS
LIFE WAS AS A CROSS-ROADS.
HE STARTED READING CHRISTIAN
BOOKS ON SEXUAL ADDICTION.
I WAS READING ABOUT THE
CHURCH, AND WHAT DOES THIS
HAVE TO TELL ME ABOUT
MYSELF.
I KNEW THERE WAS SOMETHING
WRONG BECAUSE ONE HALF OF MY
LIFE JUST CAME CRASHING
DOWN.
Reporter: THEN ON THEIR
EIGHTH WEDDING ANNIVERSARY,
AMY GAVE TIM A CALL.
WE BOTH FILED FOR
DIVORCE.
HE FILED IN MARYLAND AND I
FILED IN SAN DIEGO.
SO THERE WAS NOTHING TO
LOSE.
WE WERE VERY, VERY HONEST IN
OUR FEELINGS.
SHE STARTED TALKING ABOUT
STILL LOVING ME, WHICH
HURT.
I DIDN'T WANT TO HEAR THAT.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT WAS
IMPACTING ME.
HOW CAN SHE STILL LOVE ME?
THAT'S PART OF WHAT I WAS
ASKING MYSELF AT THE TIME.
SHE ALSO READ SOME SCRIPTURE
TO ME ABOUT SIN IS SIN.
Reporter: TIM COULDN'T
GET AMY'S WORDS OUT OF HIS
MIND.
HE FINALLY CRIED OUT TO GOD
FOR HELP.
I JUST KEPT READING ALL
THIS STUFF, WHO HE WAS AND
WHAT HE DID.
AND JESUS IS WHO HE SAID HE
IS.
I BROKE DOWN, IN THE
BASEMENT OF THE HOUSE IN
MARYLAND.
AND IF YOU ARE WHO YOU
ARE...YOU HAVE TO HELP ME.
IF YOU'RE GOD, IF YOU ARE
WHO YOU SAY YOU ARE, HELP
ME.
Reporter: TIM FOUND A
CHURCH AND MET WITH THE
PASTOR.
AND I OPENED UP TO HIM
ABOUT IT, AND JUST FELT AND
KNEW I COULD TRUST HIM AND
HE WOULD BE OPEN AND WOULD
PRAY AND WOULD SUPPORT ME IN
ANY WAY HE POSSIBLY COULD.
Reporter: AMY AND TIM
BEGAN TO TALK.
AS THEY GREW IN THEIR FAITH,
THEY DECIDED TO MEET.
I GAVE HER HER RING BACK,
AND TOLD HER THAT I WAS
SORRY.
AND TOLD HER THE THINGS I'D
DONE ARE UNFORGIVE BELIEVE,
FORGIVABLE, BUT I'M
FOLLOWING JESUS.
I WAS AFRAID BECAUSE I
DIDN'T WANT IT TO HAPPEN
AGAIN.
GOD'S VOICE WAS STRONGER TO
ME THAN ANYONE ELSE'S.
MY PARENTS SAID, DON'T GO
BACK WITH HIM.
HIS PARENTS SAID, DON'T GO
BACK WITH HIM.
BUT I LISTENED TO GOD'S
VOICE, AND I'M GLAD I DID.
Reporter: THEIR LOVE
FOR EACH OTHER HAS GROWN,
AND TIM AND AMY NOW HAVE TWO
DAUGHTERS.
THE GROWING THAT WE WERE
DOING, AND THE INTIMACY THAT
WE ARE NOW SHARING, AND
WHERE THE LORD IS CONTINUING
TO BRING US BACK IS
SOMETHING I NEVER
UNDERSTOOD.
AND IT IS A WONDERFUL
THING.
IT TAKES TIME.
AND IT TAKES FORGIVENESS
OVER AND OVER, AND IT TAKES
AGAPE LOVE, THIS KIND OF
LOVE FOR US.
WE ARE TOGETHER BECAUSE
OF JESUS.
IT IS SOMETHING ONLY HE CAN
DO.
Pat: WHAT A STORY.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I
CAN'T EMPHASIZE STRONGLY
ENOUGH THE TREMENDOUS IMPACT
THAT PORNOGRAPHY OR EVEN THE
PLAYBOY IMAGE, THE PICTURES
OF NAKED WOMEN, OR WHATEVER,
WHAT IT DOES TO A LITTLE
BOY, EIGHT, NINE, 10, 11
YEARS OLD.
TIM RAN INTO PLAYBOY AT HIS
GRANDFATHER'S, AND ALTHOUGH
PLAYBOY WAS THE CUTTING-EDGE
OF ITS DAY, IT IS PRETTY
TAME COMPARED TO WHAT IS
BEING DONE NOW.
BUT I IT WAS ENOUGH TO
ENTICE AND SEDUCE A LITTLE
BOY.
AND I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND
THAT PORNOGRAPHY IS AS
DEVASTATING AND COMPELLING
AS HEROIN OR COCAINE OR ANY
OTHER MIND-ALTERING DRUG.
YOU NAME IT, CRACK OR
WHATEVER.
IT IS VERY HARD TO GET -- TO
OVERCOME.
AND IN TIM'S CASE, HE LET IT
GROW BECAUSE IT FEEDS ON
ITSELF.
AND YOU WANT A LITTLE MORE
AND A LITTLE MORE AND A
LITTLE MORE.
NOW, THIS IS A BUSINESS.
IT IS A HUGE BUSINESS.
IT IS A MULTI-MULTI-
MULTI-MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR
BUSINESS.
ENGAGED IN BY SOME LARGER
CORPORATIONS.
IT'S NOT JUST A FEW GUYS IN
A GARAGE MAKING OUT SOME
DIRTY PICTURES.
IT IS A MASSIVE CAMPAIGN.
AND THE DEVIL IS USING THAT
TO DESTROY THE LIVES OF
PEOPLE.
AND MEN KNOW THAT YOUR
CAREER IS AT STAKE, YOU'RE
MARRIAGE IS AT STAKE, YOUR
LIFE IS AT STAKE.
AND YOU NEED TO GET FREE
FROM THIS STUFF.
AND WIVES, YOU NEED TO
UNDERSTAND, TO KNOW WHAT
YOU'RE UP AGAINST, WHAT
YOU'RE COMPETING AGAINST.
AND YOU NEED TO BRING ALL
KINDS OF LOVE AND AFFECTION
INTO YOUR MARRIAGE.
AND SO THE TWO OF YOU NEED
TO KNOW YOU'VE GOT A
PROBLEM, AND YOU NEED TO
KNOW HOW TO DEAL WITH IT.
NOW, JESUS CHRIST IS THE
ANSWER.
HE CAN SET YOU FREE FROM
THIS PERVASIVE ADDICTION.
HE CAN CAN SET YOU FREE.
AND HE CAN GIVE YOU A WHOLES
SU WHOLESOME RELATIONSHIP,
WHERE YOU'RE A WONDERFUL
FATHER, WHERE YOU'RE A
WONDERFUL HUSBAND, WHERE
YOU'RE A SUCCESSFUL
BUSINESSMAN, WHERE YOUR ROLE
IN SOCIETY IS ASSURED AND
YOU'RE NOT ASHAMED OF THE
STUFF YOUR SLIPPING AROUND
DOING WHEN NOBODY IS
LOOKING.
BUT RIGHT NOW, IF THE LORD
IS SPEAKING TO YOU, I WANT
YOU TO DO SOMETHING.
I WANT YOU TO RENOUNCE THIS
ADDICTION.
AND ASK GOD FOR HELP.
I WANT YOU TO DO IT RIGHT
NOW.
DON'T SAY, WELL, I'LL DO IT
TOMORROW.
I'VE GOT ONE MORE HOOKUP
COMING.
NO, NO.
NOW.
NOW!
AND I WANT YOU TO PRAY WITH
ME RIGHT NOW.
AND I WANT YOU TO SAY THESE
WORDS, BUT MEAN THEM IN YOUR
HEART.
SO PRAY WITH ME.
LORD JESUS CHRIST -- THAT'S
RIGHT, PRAY NOW.
LORD JESUS CHRIST, YOU KNOW
WHAT HAS GAINED CONTROL OF
MY MIND AND OF MY THOUGHTS
AND OF MY HEART.
BUT I DON'T WANT TO BE A
SLAVE.
I BELONG TO YOU, JESUS.
AND I COME TO YOU, AND I SAY
PLEASE SET ME FREE.
AND FROM THIS MOMENT ON I
CONSCIOUSLY RENOUNCE THE
HOLD OF SEDUCTION AND
PORNOGRAPHY ON MY LIFE.
I RENOUNCE IT, AND, SATAN, I
COMMAND YOU IN JESUS' NAME
LOOSEN ME.
AND FROM THIS MOMENT ON I AM
FREE.
FOR THOSE WHO PRAYED THAT
PRAYER WITH ME, I WANT TO
PRAY FOR YOU.
FATHER, IN JESUS' NAME, LET
YOUR POWER AND ANOINTING
FLOOD THESE PEOPLE IN THE
AUDIENCE WHO PRAYED WITH ME
IN JESUS' NAME.
AMEN.
AND AMEN.
LISTEN, I'VE GOT SOME THINGS
I WANT TO SEND YOU.
IF YOU PRAYED WITH ME JUST
THEN.
I'VE GOT A LITTLE BOOKLET
CALLED "LOVE AND MARRIAGE."
WHAT DO YOU DO?
HOW DO YOU GET THINGS
STRAIGHTENED OUT?
LOVE AND MARRIAGE.
AND I'VE GOT SOMETHING ELSE
CALLED A NEW DAY.
IF YOU'VE JUST PRAYED AND
GIVEN YOUR HEART TO THE
LORD, WHAT DO YOU DO NEXT?
WHAT DOES GOD HAVE IN STORE
FOR YOU?
THIS IS A C.D., COMPACT
DISC, AND A BOOKLET, AND
THIS IS ALL FREE.
NO CHARGE.
YOU CAN CALL IN NOW.
WE HAVE PEOPLE ON THE PHONES
WHO ARE SYMPATHETIC, WHO
LOVE YOU, AND THEY SAY CALL
NOW.
WE'RE HERE TO HELP YOU.
THIS IS A WEEK OF
RESTORATION OF MARRIAGES.
THIS IS A WEEK TO SET YOU
FREE.
1-800-759-0700.
CALL RIGHT NOW.
SAY I PRAYED WITH PAT.
I GAVE MY HEART TO THE LORD,
AND I AM FREE.
IF YOU WANT FURTHER PRAYER,
CALL IN MANY WE'RE HERE FOR
YOU.
KRISTI?
Kristi: THANK YOU,
PAT.
THE STORY YOU JUST WATCHED
FEATURED A COUPLE ON THE
EDGE OF DIVORCE.
COMING UP LATER, WE'LL MEET
A PAIR WHO CROSSED THAT
LINE, SO FIND OUT WHY
THEY'RE BACK TOGETHER AND
HOW IT HAPPENED.
THEY'RE HERE LIVE ON THE
SHOW, SO WHATEVER YOU DO,
DON'T GO AWAY.
FIRST, A MARRIAGE ON THE
ROCKS, AN EDITION OF "BRING
IT ON."
ERICA SAYS, "MY HUSBAND HAS
ALWAYS SAID HE IS THE HEAD
OF THE HOUSEHOLD BECAUSE HE
IS MAKING MORE MONEY.
NOW I'M MAKING MORE MONEY,
SO DOES IT MEAN I'M IN
CHARGE?"
PAT IS GOING TO ANSWER THAT
QUESTION, SO WHATEVER YOU
DO, DON'T GO AWAY.
Lee: WELCOME BACK TO
"THE 700 CLUB."
THE COLORADO STATE
LEGISLATURE HAS APPROVED A
MEASURE ALLOWING CIVIL
UNIONS FOR GAY COUPLES IN
THAT STATE.
TWO REPUBLICANS BROKE FROM
PARTY LINES TO PASS THE
BILL.
THE GOVERNOR IS EXPECTED TO
SIGN IT INTO LAW.
THE MOVE MARKS A POLITICAL
SHIFT IN COLORADO.
SEVEN YEARS AGO VOTERS THERE
APPROVED A MEASURE BANNING
GAY MARRIAGE.
WESTMINISTER THEOLOGICAL
SEMINARY IN PENNSYLVANIA HAS
FILED A LAWSUIT AGAINST THE
CONTRACEPTION MANDATE IN
OBAMACARE.
THE SUIT CHALLENGES THE
REQUIREMENT THAT EMPLOYEES
HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE THAT
PROVIDES ABORTION INDUCING
DRUGS.
TWO OTHER INSTITUTIONS HAVE
ALREADY GONE TO COURT
AGAINST THE MANDATE.
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LATEST FROM CBN NEWS BY
GOING TO OUR WEBSITE AT
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PAT AND KRISTI WILL BE BACK
WITH MORE OF "THE 700 CLUB"
AFTER THIS.
Kristi: TIME IS
TICKING, SO WE'RE GOING TO
JUMP IN WITH YOUR E-MAIL
QUESTIONS.
ERICA SAYS, "MY HUSBAND HAS
ALWAYS SAID HE IS THE HEAD
OF THE HOUSEHOLD BECAUSE HE
BRINGS IN A LARGER
PAYCHECK.
RECENTLY I GOT A RAISE, AND
NOW I MAKE MORE MONEY.
SO DOES THIS MEAN I NEED TO
TAKE ON THE LEAD ROLE IN THE
HOME?
WHAT DOES GOD SAY ABOUT
THIS, PAT?"
Pat: THE BIBLE SAYS THE
HUSBAND IS THE HEAD OF THE
HOUSEHOLD.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH
WHO MAKES THE MOST MONEY.
INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, SO
MANY OF THESE WOMEN ARE
OUTCLASSING THE MEN, BY FAR,
IN TERMS OF THEIR EARNING
CAPACITY.
I THINK MANY OF THEM HAVE
ADVISED FOLKS ALONG THE WAY
TO HAVE SEPARATE BANK
ACCOUNTS SO THEY HAVE SOME
CONTROL OVER THEIR OWN
MONEY.
BUT IN TERMS OF SPIRITUAL
DEVELOPMENT OF THE CHILDREN,
IN TERMS OF THE LONG-RANGE
PLANS OF THE FAMILY, THE
HUSBAND IS SUPPOSED TO BE
THE HIGH PRIEST.
HE IS SUPPOSED TO GO BEFORE
THE LORD AND SAY, LORD, GIVE
ME DIRECTION.
AND TOGETHER HE AND THE WIFE
WILL PRAY.
AND THEY ARE TO BE IN
UNITY.
AND THE BIBLE SAYS TO MAN
MAKE PEACE WITH YOUR WIFE SO
THAT YOUR PRAYERS WOULD NOT
BE HINDERED.
SO THERE NEEDS TO BE HARMONY
BETWEEN THE HUSBAND AND WIFE
SO THEIR PRAYERS WILL NOT BE
HINDERED.
ALLEN SAYS "IN 1
CORINTHIANS SAYS THAT THE --
MY WIFE WAS A CHRISTIAN WHEN
WE MARRIED, AND HAS SINCE
WALKED AWAY FROM GOD.
DOES THIS MEAN SHE'LL GO TO
HEAVEN BECAUSE SHE MARRIED
ME, A CHRISTIAN?"
Pat: THAT DOESN'T HAVE
ANYTHING TO DO WITH GOING TO
HEAVEN.
IT HAS TO DO WITH YOUR
CHILDREN.
YOU SEE, IN THE JEWISH
TRADITION, THROUGH THE
WOMAN, FEMALE LINE, THEIR
OFF SPRING BECAME PART OF
THE COVENANT OF ISRAEL.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT.
HE SAID LEST YOUR
CHILDREN -- IF YOU READ
FURTHER ON, LEST YOUR
CHILDREN.
SO HE IS TALKING ABOUT THE
CHILDREN.
AND THE CHILDREN COME INTO
THE COVENANT RELATIONSHIP
WITH GOD IF ONE OF THE
MEMBERS IS A BELIEVER.
THAT'S WHAT PAUL WAS
SAYING.
DOES THAT MEAN YOUR WIFE IS
GOING TO HEAVEN OR NOT GOING
TO HEAVEN, I MEAN, IT
DOESN'T APPLY TO THAT AT
ALL.
Kristi: CECILIA
SAYS, "I JUST WANT TO ASK,
SHOULD WE PRAY FOR OUR LOVED
ONES WHO HAVE PASSED AWAY,
AND WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY
ABOUT THIS?"
Pat: PAUL WAS WRITING
TO ONE CHURCH WHO DIDN'T
BELIEVE IN THE SECOND COMING
AND DIDN'T BELIEVE IN THE
RESURRECTION, ACTUALLY.
AND HE SAID, IF YOU DON'T
BELIEVE IN THE RESURRECTION,
HOW COME YOU'RE PRAYING FOR
THE DEAD.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN HE
APPROVED OF IT.
ONCE SOMEBODY DIES, THAT
DECISION IS FINAL.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PRAY TO
CHANGE IT.
SO
WHY BOTHER?
PRAY FOR THE SURVIVORS.
PRAY FOR THE CHILDREN.
PRAY FOR THE SURVIVING
SPOUSE, ETC.
BUT THE PERSON IS DEAD IS
DEAD, GONE.
YOUR PRAYERS ARE NOT GOING
TO HAVE IMPACT WITH THEIR
ULTIMATE DESTINY.
Kristi: SHERRY
SAYS, "I'M HAVING A HARD
TIME UNDERSTANDING
SCRIPTURE.
THE BIBLE STATES IN THE
BEGINNING WAS THE WORD, AND
THE WORD WAS GOD AND THE
WORD IS GOD.
AND JESUS SAID, WHEN YOU SEE
ME, YOU HAVE ALSO SEEN THE
FATHER.
AND SO WHY DOES JESUS SAID
NO ONE KNOWS THE TIME BUT
THE FATHER.
HELP ME UNDERSTAND."
Pat: THE TRINITY IS A
MYSTERY, BUT THIS IS THE WAY
IT IS.
WE BELIEVE IN ONE GOD,
ETERNALLY EXISTENT IN THREE
PERSONS.
THERE IS THE FATHER, WHO IS
THE CREATIVE MIND.
THERE IS THE SON, WHO IS THE
AGENT OF CREATION, AND THERE
IS THE SPIRIT THAT FLOWS
FROM THE RELATIONSHIP OF THE
FATHER AND SON, THAT IS THE
ACTIVE FORCE THROUGHOUT THE
UNIVERSE.
BUT THEY ARE SEPARATE
PEOPLE.
NOW, JESUS WAS TALKING,
ACTUALLY, WHEN HE WAS HERE
ON EARTH.
WHAT HE SAID IS RIGHT NOW
THE ANGELS DON'T KNOW WHEN
I'M COMING, AND I DON'T
KNOW.
BUT HE SAID, YOU'VE SEEN ME,
YOU'VE SEEN THE FATHER.
BECAUSE HE WAS GOD.
JESUS WAS GOD.
BUT THIS PARTICULAR THING,
HE SAID THE FATHER HAS KEPT
UNTO HIMSELF.
SO, LISTEN, PEOPLE, FOR
HUNDREDS OF YEARS, HAVE
TRIED TO FIGURE HIS BABY
OUT.
SO DON'T THINK I'M GOING TO
WRITE A BOOK ABOUT IT.
BUT THAT'S THE WAY IT IS.
THAT'S WHAT THE -- THAT'S
CORRECT THEOLOGY, WHAT I
JUST TOLD YOU.
HOW IT ALL WORKS, WHEN WE
GET TO HEAVEN, WE'LL FIND
OUT.
Kristi: DANIELLE SAYS,
"HI, I'M 8 YEARS OLD, AND
WHY DID GOD LET SIN INTO
THE WORLD WHEN HE KNOWS WHAT
IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN OUR
LIVES?"
MY SON ASKS ME THE SAME
QUESTION.
Pat: GOD ALLOWED
FREEDOM IN ORDER TO HAVE A
PERFECT BEING.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE FREEDOM.
LIKE YOUR CHILDREN.
YOU DON'T WANT YOUR CHILDREN
TO COME AND HUG YOU BECAUSE
THEY KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO
BEAT THE DAY LIGHTS OUT OF
YOU IF THEY DON'T.
YOU WANT THEM TO HUG YOU
BECAUSE THEY LOVE YOU.
THAT'S A VOLITIONAL ACT, AND
GOD WANTS OUR LOVE FREELY.
THAT MEANS WE HAVE THE
DECISION TO SAY NO, AS WELL
AS YES.
OTHERWISE IT IS NOT A
LEGITIMATE DECISION.
SO HE GAVE US FREEDOM.
HE KNEW THAT MEN WOULD SIN.
HE KNEW THAT SATAN WOULD
FALL.
HE KNEW THESE THINGS, BUT HE
ALLOWED HIS CREATURES TO
HAVE FREE WILL.
BUT WHAT HAS HE DONE?
HE HAS SENT HIS SON TO
REDEEM THE UNIVERSE.
AND HE IS GOING TO PROVE TO
THE ANGELS, THE
PRINCIPALITIES IN POWERS,
THAT LOVE OVERCOMES
REBELLION AND HATRED.
AND ONE DAY HE IS GOING TO
SAY ENOUGH OF THIS.
YOU'VE HAD YOUR RUN, AND NOW
I'M GOING TO TAKE YOU AND
PUT A CHAIN ON YOU AND LOCK
YOU UP IN A BOTTOMLESS PIT
WHERE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO
GET OUT ANYMORE.
AND FROM THEN ON OUT IT WILL
BE SWEETNESS AND LIGHT FOR
THOSE OF US WHO LIVE IN THE
KINGDOM OF GOD.
AT THAT POINT, THERE WILL BE
NO MORE SIN, NO MORE
SUFFERING, NO MORE PAIN.
Kristi: GOOD JOB.
Pat: OH, I'M SO GLAD.
[LAUGHTER]
Kristi: WE'RE GOING TO
RETURN BACK TO MARRIAGE WEEK
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'VE
BEEN TALKING ABOUTMENT WHILE
SOME COUPLES MAY HAVE HIS OR
HER BATH TOWELS, OR HIS OR
HER COFFEE MUGS, THIS COUPLE
HAD HIS OR HER SIDES OF THE
HOUSE.
FIND OUT WHAT REPAIRED THIS
BROKEN HOME, UP NEXT.
Kristi: SO HOW MUCH BAD
BLOOD WAS THERE BETWEEN DALE
AND JANET FOREHAND?
THERE WAS A LOT OF FINGER
POINTING AND VERBAL ABUSE.
IN FACT, AT ONE POINT, BOTH
OF THEM HIRED PRIVATE
INVESTIGATORS TO SPY ON THE
OTHER PERSON.
BUT CHECK THIS OUT, IT
ACTUALLY GOT WORSE.
TAKE A LOOK.
Reporter: THE MINUTE
DALE SAW GINA AT CHURCH, HE
KNEW HE HAD TO MEET HER.
THEY FELL IN LOVE, DATED FOR
FOUR YEARS, AND MARRIED IN
1988.
WE WERE DOING A LOT OF
THE THINGS WE WERE TOLD DO
TO DO.
THE PROBLEM IS YOU CAN GET
SO BUSY CHASING THAT DREAM,
YOU CAN LOSE EACH OTHER IN
THE PROCESS.
DALE AND I WERE MARRIED
FOR SEVEN AND A HALF, ALMOST
EIGHT YEARS, WHEN THERE WAS
JUST KIND OF THIS SLOW
EROSION THAT BEGAN TO TAKE
PLACE.
Reporter: ARGUING
TURNED TO YELLING, AND THE
FIGHTING ESCALATED.
THEN ONE DAY DALE PACKED
GINA'S BAGS AND KICKED HER
OUT OF THE HOUSE.
Kristi: I WAS RIVETED
BY THE STORY.
WHAT HAPPENED NEXT?
YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED
NEXT?
DALE AND GINA FOREHAND BOTH
ARE HERE WITH US TO TELL US
WHAT HAPPENED NEXT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
THANK YOU.
Kristi: NINE YEARS AGO,
AND YOU GUYS ARE BACK AND
STILL SMILING.
WE HAVE A LOT TO SMILE
ABOUT.
Kristi: THERE YOU GO.
WHEN I READ YOUR RESEARCH,
THE THING I THOUGHT WAS
FASCINATING, THAT SO MANY
CHRISTIAN COUPLES CAN RELATE
TO, BOTH OF YOU WERE VERY
ACTIVE IN YOUR CHURCH.
BOTH OF YOU HAD THE
CHRISTIAN HOME AND CHRISTIAN
FAMILY.
AND BY ALL ACCOUNTS, I'M
SURE EVERYBODY SAID, ISN'T
IT LOVELY.
THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER WAS,
YOU MIGHT HAVE BEEN PRAISING
AT CHURCH, BUT AT HOME, YOU
GUYS WERE THROWING BOOKS AT
EACH OTHER.
TELL US ABOUT THAT TIME.
WE GOT VERY GOOD AT
WEARING THE MASK.
BUT IN THE FOUR WALLS OF OUR
HOME, OUR MARRIAGE WAS DYING
A VERY UGLY DEATH.
IT WAS EXCRUCIATING.
WE WERE NOT THE HAPPY COUPLE
INSIDE OF OUR HOME.
WE HAD GOTTEN SO GOOD AT
PLAYING THE GAME AND
PRETENDING EVERYTHING IS
OKAY.
I THINK THAT IS WHAT WE LOVE
ABOUT OUR STORY IS WE'RE
TAKING OUR MASK OFF.
WE ARE TELLING OUR STORY,
AND SAYING WE'RE LIKE SO
MANY OTHER COUPLES WHO HAVE
WALKED THROUGH THE JOURNEY,
THE HARD THING CALLED
MARRIAGE.
BUT THERE IS IS GOD'S
REDEMPTION AND HOPE AND
HEALING.
IF YOU DO THE HARD WORK, YOU
CAN HAVE A GREAT MARRIAGE.
ABSOLUTELY.
Kristi: WHY DO SO MANY
CHRISTIANS WEAR MASKS?
DO WE FEEL LIKE IF IT IS NOT
PERFECT, WE'RE NOT TRUE
CHRISTIANS?
I THINK SO.
I THINK WE HAVE TAKEN THAT
ROLE.
AS BILL AN DALE AND I
ALWAYS SAY WE HAVE EXCHANGED
SPIRITUAL INTIMACY FOR THIS
ACTIVITY THAT MAKES US LOOK
LIKE WE'RE WALKING WITH GOD
WHEN WE'RE REALLY NOT.
WHEN WE WERE KIDS, OUR MASKS
WERE THE PLASTIC ONES, AND
YOU GOT YOUR HAIR ALL CAUGHT
IN IT, AND IT STUCK TO YOU
AND IT SUFFOCATED YOU, AND
YOU ENDED UP WANTING TO TAKE
IT OFF.
I THINK THAT IN THE
CHRISTIAN WORLD TODAY, IN
THE CHURCH, WE'VE GOTTEN SO
GOOD AT HIDING BEHIND
BECAUSE WE HAVE TO PUT ON
THIS PERSONA THAT WE'RE
FINE, AND WE'RE
SUFFOCATING.
BUT TODAY YOU CAN TAKE IT
OFF AND SAY, I'M
STRUGGLING.
CAN CAN YOU HELP ME.
Kristi: I WANT TO SPEND
THE REST OF THE INTERVIEW
TALKING ABOUT HOW BECAUSE SO
MANY COUPLES, CHRISTIAN
MARRIAGES, ARE FALLING BY
THE WAY SIDE.
SURE.
Kristi: SO WHAT DID GOD
DO THAT BROUGHT YOU.
GUYS BACK
TOGETHER.
TELL US ABOUT THE HIGH.
WHEN GINA ASKED ME TO
COME BACK HOME, WE HAD SO
MUCH FEAR.
WE STOPPED BLAMING EACH
OTHER, AND LOOKING AT
OURSELVES AND THE PART WE
PLAYED IN THE BREAKUP OF OUR
MARRIAGE.
Kristi: WHAT WAS THE
CATALYST?
THAT'S THE THING.
TO FILL EVERYBODY IN, YOU
GUYS WERE LIVING IN THE SAME
HOME FOR ABOUT 15 YEARS
HATING EACH OTHER BECAUSE
THE JUDGE SAID SO, BUT THEN
YOU GUYS HAD GOTTEN A
DIVORCE.
RIGHT.
Kristi: AND BY ALL
ACCOUNTS, YOU GUYS WERE
STILL JUST AS UNHAPPY AS YOU
WERE BEFORE.
WHAT WAS IT THAT TOOK THAT
PRIDE AWAY AND SAID, I'M
WRONG.
I'M SORRY.
I THINK FOR ME, THERE WAS
JUST THIS STRIPPING.
THERE WAS THIS MOMENT WHERE
IT WAS NO LONGER POINTING
THE FINGER AT DALE BECAUSE
DALE WAS NOW OUT OF THE
PICTURE.
NOW I WAS FORCED TO GO, OH,
MY GOODNESS, I HAD A PART TO
PLAY.
THERE IS THIS PART WHERE
YOU'RE GOING, HE DID THIS
AND HE DID THAT, AND YOU
NEVER TURN IT BACK IN.
IT IS LIKE THE SCRIPTURE
WHERE DAVID SAID, SEARCH ME,
OH, GOD, KNOW MY HEART AND
SEE WHAT IS GOING ON IN MY
LIFE.
THAT KIND OF GOT TURNED BACK
ON ME.
SUDDENLY IT WAS, LIKE, OOH,
I DID HAVE A PART TO PLAY IN
THIS.
I DID HAVE A PLACE WHERE I
CAUSED SOME BREAKDOWN IN
THIS RELATIONSHIP.
THEN IT WAS, LIKE, NOW WHAT
DO I DO WITH THIS.
BIBLICALLY, I REALLY NEED TO
GO TO HIM AND POP
APOLOGIZE.
WHILE ALL OF THIS STRIPPING
WAS GOING ON IN MY LIFE, THE
SAME THING WAS GOING ON IN
DALE'S.
BUT WE WERE APART, SO WE
DIDN'T KNOW IT.
A SITUATION BETWEEN OUR
CHILDREN CAUSED ME TO HAVE
TO COMMUNICATE WITH HIM.
IN THAT CONVERSATION, IT IS
LIKE THE HOLY SPIRIT SENT
THIS OUT THROUGH ME.
I JUST SAID, WHAT IN THE
WORLD HAVE WE DONE?
CAN WE JUST -- CAN YOU JUST
COME HOME AND LET'S TRY TOP
PUT IT BACK TOGETHER.
EVEN AFTER I SAID THAT, I
WAS, LIKE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW
IF I WANT TO DO THAT BECAUSE
IT IS SCARY AND IT IS HARD
AND RISKY.
BUT WHEN GOD IS IN THE
MIDDLE OF IT, GREAT THINGS
HAPPEN.
IT WAS HAPPENING TO DALE,
THE STRIPPING, AND IT WAS
LIKE GOD PREPARED US BOTH
FOR THAT PERFECT TIME.
Kristi: WHAT I HEAR IS
YOU BOTH HUMBLED YOURSELF.
ABSOLUTELY.
Kristi: I INTERVIEWED
SOMEBODY WHO SAID THE KEY TO
BROKEN MARRIAGES IS NOT
MONEY, LACK OF SEX -- IT IS
SELFISHNESS.
AND YOU SAY I'M SORRY, AND
YOUR FOCUS IS LONGER HER AND
HIM, AND IT'S YOU, LORD, AND
RESTORATION HAPPENS.
AND NOT ONLY DID GOD RESTORE
YOUR MARRIAGE, TELL US WHAT
HAPPENED WITH YOUR SON.
THE DAY WE GET REMARRIED,
OUR SON COMES INTO OUR
BEDROOM AND SAYS, HEY, MOM
AND DAD, SINCE GOD PUT MY
FAMILY BACK TOGETHER, TELL
ME HOW I CAN ACCEPT CHRIST
AS MY SAVIOR.
I ALWAYS SAY NEVER, EVER
UNDERESTIMATE YOUR SINGLE
ACT OF OBEDIENCE.
BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT
THAT ONE ACT OF OBEDIENCE
WILL DO.
BECAUSE NOW HERE WE ARE WITH
A MINISTRY.
IF YOU WILL TRUST GOD, AND
YOU HUMBLE YOURSELF, HIS WAY
AND HIS WORDS, THEY WORK.
Kristi: I'M JUST ABOUT
TO STAND UP AND SHOUT
HALLELUJAH, BECAUSE YOU GUYS
GAVE ME HOPE AND I'M NOT
EVEN MARRIED.
BLES MARRIED.
GOD BLESS YOU.
THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR
TESTIMONY AND YOUR HOPE.
PRAISE GOD.
FOR MORE ADVICE, CHECK OUT
THEIR BOOK.
IT'S CALLED "LET'S GET
REAL."
THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
DON'T GET ME STARTED
TALKING.
AND THERE IS A "LET'S GET
REAL" WORK BOOK, AND THIS IS
GOOD FOR MARRIAGES.
GO TO cbn.com AND YOU CAN
GET THIS, THE WORK BOOK, AND
YOU CAN GET EVERYTHING.
PRAISE GOD.
I'M DONE.
GOD BLESS YOU.
PAT, YOU'RE TURN.
Pat: MY GOODNESS, WHAT
IS GREAT TESTIMONY.
TOMORROW WE'RE GOT A
SHOCKER.
MY PRODUCER SAID I'M NOT
SURE WE'RE GOING TO SHOW ANY
OF THIS ON TELEVISION.
YOU BETTER WARN PEOPLE.
THIS IS WHAT GOES ON IN
YALE.
I WENT TO YALE LAW SCHOOL.
THEY HAD NAKED PARTIES.
THEY HAVE LESSONS ON SEX
FROM THE MAIN PURVEYORS.
IT IS UNBELIEVABLE.
AND WE'LL HAVE IT ON
TOMORROW'S "THE 700 CLUB."
