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700 Club Interactive: Catfish - March 19, 2013

To date online or not to date online? Dr. Henry Cloud tackles the online dating scam called "catfish." Read Transcript


Gordon: COME ON "700

CLUB INTERACTIVE," A NEW

TYPE OF SCAM.

HOW DO YOU KNOW IT IS

REALLY ME.

Terry: DON'T START

THAT.

Gordon: WHAT IS BEHIND

THESE BROMANCES.

AND HOW TO PROTECT YOURSELF

FROM GETTING HOOKED ON

TODAY'S "700 CLUB

INTERACTIVE."

ON "700 CLUB INTERACTIVE,"

WE USE TECHNOLOGY TO PRAY

FOR EACH OTHER AND EXPLORE

TOPICS THAT MATTER TO YOU.

WATCH WHAT GOD IS DOING IN

THE WORLD TODAY.

GOOD MORNING, AND WELCOME TO

"700 CLUB INTERACTIVE."

IT'S A STORY THAT IS BOTH

SOMEWHAT FUNNY AND BOTH

SHOCKING.

FOR MONTHS NOTRE DAME

LINEBACKER MANE TEO TOLD THE

MEDIA ABOUT HIS GIRLFRIEND.

HE SAID SHE HAD DIED, UNTIL

IT WAS DISCOVERED SHE NEVER

EXISTED.

Terry: MANTI WAS JUST

THE LATEST PERSON TO BE THE

VICTIM OF AN ONLINE SCAM,

ONE THAT IS DRAWING MORE

VICTIMS EVERY DAY.

Kristi: YOU CAN FIND

EVERYTHING ON LINE THESE

DAYS, EVEN LOVE.

AND EVERYBODY IS LOOKING FOR

THAT SPECIAL SOMEONE.

OUT OF THE 54 MILLION LONELY

HEARTS IN THE U.S., OVER

40 MILLION HAVE JOINED

DATING WEBSITES.

AND MILLIONS MORE HAVE

Facebook PROFILES.

SO IT IS NO WONDER THAT

PEOPLE HAVE TRADED FACE TO

FACE CONNECTIONS FOR

ELECTRONIC ONES.

BUT ONE THING ONLINE DATING

HAS PROVEN IS YOU SHOULD

NEVER JUDGE A PERSON BY

THEIR PROFILE.

INTERNET-BASED PROGRAMS HAVE

TAKEN IT TO A WHOLE NEW

LEVEL.

WITH A LITTLE BIT OF COPYING

AND PASTEING, ANYONE CAN BE

THE LOVE OF YOUR LIFE.

Terry: JOINING US FOR

NOR MORE IS DR. HENRY

CLOUT, WHO IS A PSYCHOLOGIST

AND BEST-SELLING AUTHOR.

WE WELCOME YOU BACK TO "700

CLUB INTERACTIVE."

IT'S GOOD TO BE HERE.

BUT HOW DO YOU KNOW IT IS

REALLY ME.

Terry: DON'T START THAT

WITH ME.

THIS IS SO UNBELIEVABLE.

YOU SAID IN OUR WORLD TODAY,

A VIRTUAL RELATIONSHIP, EVEN

WITH SOMEONE YOU HAVE NEVER

SEEN BEFORE, FOR SOME PEOPLE

CAN ACTUALLY BE MORE

POWERFUL THAN A REAL

RELATIONSHIP.

WHY IS THAT?

WELL, IT CAN BE MORE

POWERFUL IN THE BEGINNING,

AND IT CAN BE MUCH MORE

POWERFUL IN ITS SEDUCTIVE

POWER, AND HERE IS WHY:

BASICALLY, IF YOU LOOK AT

THE MODEL OF FALLING IN

LOVE, AND YOU SEE PEOPLE

FALL IN LOVE, WHAT HAPPENS

IS IN THE BEGINNING YOUR

PICTURE OF THE OTHER PERSON,

IF YOU'RE EMOTIONALLY

INVESTED, IS PRETTY MUCH

POSITIVE, RIGHT?

AND IT'S KIND OF ALL

POSITIVE BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T

GOTTEN INTO THE PROBLEMS OF

THE RELATIONSHIP YET.

AND VIRTUAL RELATIONSHIPS

HAVE THE ABILITY TO KEEP A

FANTASY GOING OF WHAT YOU

REALLY WISH SOMEBODY IS LIKE

VERSUS WHAT THEY'RE REALLY

LIKE.

AND THAT FUELS ENORMOUS

AMOUNTS OF CRAZY BRAIN

CHEMISTRY THAT KEEPS PEOPLE

KIND OF ON A PERPETUAL

HIGH.

IT IS VERY ADDICTING.

Terry: IT SEEMS LIKE AT

SOME POINT IN A REGULAR

RELATIONSHIP YOU'D WANT TO

EYEBALL TO EYEBALL MEETING

DIRECTLY, AND YET SOME OF

THESE THINGS GO ON FOR A

LONG, LONG TIME.

WHAT ARE THE VICTIMS GETTING

OUT OF THIS IF IT IS NOT A

REAL RELATIONSHIP?

WELL, I THINK THAT'S A

REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT

QUESTION.

AND IT IS A DIAGNOSTIC

QUESTION.

THE MOST DANGEROUS OF THESE

ARE FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE REAL

DIFFICULTY, FOR WHATEVER

REASON.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE REALLY

SICK T NOT TO HAVE

RELATIONSHIPS.

BUT WHEN YOU GET INTO REAL

RELATIONSHIPS, YOU HAVE

CONFLICTS AND EXPECTATIONS

AND THE OTHER ONE DOESN'T

MEET THEM, AND NOW YOU'VE

GOT TO TALK ABOUT THEM.

SO IF YOU HAVE THOSE KINDS

OF FEARS, THINK ABOUT IT.

YOU CAN HAVE A VIRTUAL

RELATIONSHIP AND NEVER

REALLY HAVE TO DEAL WITH

SOME OF THE REALITIES THAT A

REAL RELATIONSHIP PRESENTS.

SO THE DANGER IS, LIKE

ANYTHING ELSE, THAT WE ARE

GOING TO GRAVITATE TOWARDS

THE LEAST RESISTANCE, AND

THE LEAST AMOUNT OF PAIN,

AND THAT'S HOW THESE BECOME

SO ADDICTING.

NOW, I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING

ELSE.

I WROTE A BOOK CALLED "HOW

TO GET A DATE WORTH

KEEPING," AND IN THAT BOOK,

I AM A HUGE ADVOCATE FOR

ONLINE DATING FOR MANY, MANY

GOOD REASONS.

BUT THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN

SUBSTITUTING A REAL

RELATIONSHIP FOR A FANTASY.

Terry: HOW DO YOU TELL

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE

TWO?

YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE ARE A

LOT OF PEOPLE MEETING PEOPLE

OF LIKE VALUES ON LINE, AND

THERE ARE RELATIONSHIPS THAT

ARE FORMING.

HOW DO YOU KNOW THE

DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT AND

A SCAM?

WELL, IT WOULD BE NICE IF

A REAL PERSON, LIKE, SHOWED

UP ONE DAY IN A COFFEE

SHOP.

AT SOME POINT YOU'VE GOT TO

REALIZE THAT THERE HAS TO

BE -- AND I CALL IT LIKE THE

TRIANGULATION OF A G.P.S.

THE WAY YOUR G.P.S. WORKS IS

YOU GET A LOCATION BY

TRIANGULATING.

IF YOU ARE TALKING TO YOU

AND ANOTHER PERSON, YOU HAVE

NO THIRD PERSON TO KNOW THE

REALITY.

YOU START TO ASK ABOUT THEIR

FAMILY.

YOU START TO ASK ABOUT THEIR

JOB.

YOU START TO ASK ABOUT THEIR

BACKGROUND.

AND THE MORE THEY FILL IN

THIS BIG PICTURE OF WHO THEY

ARE, THEN YOU HAVE SOME

REFERENCE POINTS TO BEGIN TO

KNOW THAT SOMETHING IS

REAL.

ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT THIS

SITUATION WITH TEO WAS THERE

WERE NO E-MAILING -- WHAT

NORMAL PEOPLE DO IN

RELATIONSHIPS NOW.

HEY, I'M AT THE BEACH.

HERE IS THE SHOT.

THAT BACK AND FORTH WHERE

YOU CAN TRIANGULATE IT WITH

REALITY.

THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT.

SECONDLY, IN GOOD ONLINE

DATING, I THINK THAT

SOMEWHERE PRETTY SOON TO

KNOW THAT SOMETHING IS

HAPPENING, IT WOULD BE GOOD

TO HAVE A FACE-TO-FACE

MEETING, BUT YOU'VE GOT TO

DO IT IN A VERY SAFE WAY

BECAUSE IT IS A VERY

DANGEROUS WORLD OUT THERE.

Terry: WHEN YOU'RE

LOOKING AT THIS WHOLE ISSUE

OF THE SCAM, MANY OF THE

PEOPLE WHO ARE THE

PERPETRATORS, WHO ARE

LEADING THIS WHOLE THING,

AREN'T EVEN GETTING ANY

MONEY OUT OF IT.

SO WHAT'S IN IT FOR THEM?

THERE ARE SO MANY

PSYCHOLOGICAL ANGLES.

SOMEBODY WHO CAN BE SCAMMING

SOMEBODY CAN BE DOING IT

JUST FOR THE POWER OF IT.

THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO

ACTUALLY FEEL POWERLESS TO

HAVE REAL RELATIONSHIPS.

AND ONE OF THE WAYS THEY

KIND OF FEEL BETTER ABOUT

THEMSELVES AND LIFE IS TO

BEGIN TO HAVE CONTROL OVER

SOMEBODY.

THINK ABOUT IT.

IF YOU FEEL POWERLESS IN THE

RELATIONAL WORLD AND YOU

CAN'T MAKE A REAL

RELATIONSHIP WORK, WHAT

BETTER DRUG WOULD THERE BE

TO GET AWAY FROM THAT

FEELING OF POWERLESSNESS

THAN TO THINK YOU'VE GOT

CONTROL OF SOMEBODY'S LIFE.

IT IS SICK, BUT IT'S A REAL

DRUG TRIP.

Terry: IS THERE KIND OF

A PSYCHOLOGICAL PROFILE FOR

PEOPLE WHO TEND TO GET

CAUGHT IN THESE SCAMMING

INCIDENTS?

YOU TALKED ABOUT PEOPLE WHO

HAVE TROUBLE IN THOSE

RELATIONSHIPS, MAYBE IT IS

LOW SELF-ESTEEM.

BUT IN TEO'S SITUATION, HERE

IS A GUY WHO IS WELSH LIKED,

AN WELL -- WELL LIKED, SO

YOU WOULDN'T THINK IT.

YOU WOULDN'T THINK IT IN

A COMPARTMENTALIZED PART OF

HIS LIFE.

WHEN WE LOOK AT HIM, WHAT WE

KNOW ABOUT HIM IS A PUBLIC

PERSONA, AND WE KNOW AN AREA

OF THIS LIFE WHERE HE HAS

INCREDIBLE SKILLS, AND

THAT'S IN FOOTBALL.

BUT THINK ABOUT HOW MANY --

JUST GO TO THE GROCERY STORE

AND LOOK AT THE TABLOIDS IN

THE CHECK-OUT COUNTER, AND

YOU'LL SEE ALL SORTS OF

STARS WHO HAVE INCREDIBLE

SKILLS IN THEIR PUBLIC

PERSONA, BUT YOU READ ABOUT

THEIR PERSONAL LIFE, AND

THERE ARE SOME SKILL

DEFICITS THERE.

SO WE CAN SEE HOW SOMEBODY

CAN LOOK GOOD AND, ACTUALLY,

THAT CAN FUEL THE NEED FOR

THEM TO KIND OF FILL OUT THE

PICTURE, RIGHT?

IF I'M HIM AND I'M A

FOOTBALL STAR AND EVERYBODY

IS I'L IDEALIZING ME, I

ALSO HAVE TO FILL OUT THE

PORTRAIT TO MAKE SURE I LOOK

GOOD IN ALL OF THE AREAS OF

LIFE.

SO I NEED THIS FANTASY

PRESENTATION, IN SOME SENSE,

IT'S KIND OF A P.R. SCAM,

PERHAPS.

IF YOU GO TO YOUR QUESTION

TO NORMAL PEOPLE, WHO AREN'T

ON THE COVER OF SPORTS

MAGAZINES EVERY DAY, THE

PROFILE WOULD BE, CERTAINLY,

AS I SAID, WHEN

RELATIONSHIPS ARE

DIFFICULT.

BUT ANOTHER ONE, TERRY, IS

THAT IF YOU'VE GOT SOMEBODY

WHO IS HEALTHY, THEY'RE NOT

GOING TO BE SATISFIED,

LONG-TERM, BY A VIRTUAL

RELATIONSHIP THAT THEY CAN'T

FILL OUT ALL OF THE AREAS OF

LIFE WITH.

ULTIMATELY, SOMEBODY IS

GOING TO WANT TO MEET THIS

PERSON.

IF I'M IN LOVE WITH

SOMEBODY, WOULDN'T I LIKE TO

SPEND THE DAY WITH THEM OR

GO TO THE ZOO OR SOMETHING

REAL?

SO ANYBODY THAT CAN BE

SATISFIED BY FANTASY

LONG-TERM, YOU'VE GOT TO ASK

YOURSELF WHAT IS IT ABOUT

REALITY THAT I'M AFRAID TO

GET INTO.

Terry: SOUND ADVICE.

SOUND ADVICE.

THANK YOU, DR. HENRY CLOUT,

FOR BEING WITH US.

THE DISCUSSION CONTINUES ON

OUR Facebook PAGE.

DO YOU KNOW SOMEONE WHO HAS

BEEN A VICTIM OF A SCAM LIKE

THIS?

DO YOU THINK THE PEOPLE WHO

GET CAUGHT ARE JUST NAIVE?

LET US KNOW.

GO TO

facebook.com/700clubintera

ctive.

Gordon: COMING UP,

YOUNG DIFFICULTIE ADULTS

LOOKING FOR ROMANCE AREN'T

THE ONLY ONES GETTING

SCAMMED.

SEE HOW GRANDPARENTS ARE

GETTING DEFRAUDED.

THAT'S UP NEXT.

Gordon: Facebook AND

TWITTER ARE GIVING NEW LIFE

TO AN OLD CON GAME:

TARGETING SENIOR CITIZENS.

EPHRAIM GRAHAM HAS THE GOODS

ON THE SCHEME KNOWN AS THE

GRANDPARENTS' SCAM.

Reporter: FAMILY MEANS

EVERYTHING TO LEON AND NINA

MERIT.

AS YOUNG CHILDREN, THE

HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS LOST

EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING.

MY DAUGHTER, MY

GRANDCHILDREN ARE THE ONLY

RELATIVES WE HAVE.

I AM THE ONLY SURVIVOR OF

MY FAMILY.

SO MY GRANDSON MEANS A LOT

TO ME.

Reporter: AND HE WAS ON

NINA'S MIND WHEN SHE

ANSWERED HER PHONE A FEW

WEEKS AGO.

HE SAID, HI, GRANDMA.

HOW YOU DOING?

AND I SAID, WHO AM I TALKING

TO?

AND HE SAID, YOUR GRANDSON,

JOSHUA.

AND I SAID JOSHUA NEVER

CALLS ME GRANDMA.

HE CALLS ME SOFTA.

Reporter: JOSHUA LIVES

IN ISRAEL, BUT THE CALLER

TOLD NINA HE HAD BEEN IN

GREECE, TENDING A FRIEND'S

WEDDING.

AND THEN HE SAID, WELL, I

AM IN BIG TROUBLE.

AND PROMISE YOU ARE NOT

GOING TO TELL MY PARENTS.

Reporter: SO THE STORY

GOES AND GROWS.

THE CALLER WAS SUPPOSEDLY IN

JAIL BECAUSE HE WRECKED A

RENTAL CAR.

I AM IN BIG TROUBLE.

THEY WOULD NOT LET ME GO,

GET OUT OF THE COUNTRY,

UNTIL I PAY THE DAMAGES.

AND I SAID, SO HOW MUCH ARE

THE DAMAGES?

HE SAID $3,500.

Reporter: NINA THEN

GAVE THE PHONE TO HER

HUSBAND, WHO PRESSED THE

CALLER FOR A NUMBER TO CALL

HIM BACK.

HE SAID, NO, I CANNOT

GIVE UT NUMBER.

I'M GOING TO PAY YOU BACK

EVERY PENNY.

DON'T WORRY.

DON'T WORRY.

IF YOU DON'T GIVE ME THE

MONEY, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO

LET ME LEAVE THE COUNTRY.

I SAID, JOSH, IT JUST

DOESN'T SOUND LIKE YOU.

YOU HAVE TO GIVE ME THE

TELEPHONE NUMBER.

LET ME THINK.

MAYBE I HAVE TO TALK TO

SOMEBODY.

AND HE DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE

ME THE TELEPHONE NUMBER.

AT THAT POINT, WE GOT

DISENGAGED.

THAT'S IT.

NO MONEY.

Reporter: LEON THEN

CALLED HIS GRANDSON, WHO WAS

SAFE IN ISRAEL.

TO BE ABLE TO EXPLOIT

SENIORS AND THEIR LOVE FOR

THEIR GRANDCHILDREN IS ABOUT

AS LOW AS IT COMES.

Reporter: ERIC

FREEDMOND HEADS THE

MONTGOMERY COUNTY CONSUMER

PROTECTION AGENCY, AND HE

SAYS THE PHONE CALL FOLLOWED

THE FOUR-STEP PLAN TO THE

GRANDPARENT'S STEP,

ESTABLISH EMERGENCY AND

CONNECTION, AND SECRECY, AND

THEN EXPLOIT THEIR

GRANDPARENTS' WILLINGNESS TO

HELP THEIR GRANDCHILDREN.

THE AGE OF SOCIAL MEDIA IS

ALSO MAKING IT EASIER FOR

CROOKS TO GET INFORMATION ON

A POSSIBLE TARGET, LIKE HERE

ON Facebook, WHERE

MILLIONS COME TO POST

PERSONAL PICTURES AND

INFORMATION TO SHARE WITH

FAMILY.

IN THE HANDS OF A CROOK,

THAT INFORMATION CAN BE

USEFUL TO CON A GRANDPARENT

WHO ISN'T LIKELY TO HAVE A

Facebook PAGE.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE DO

THEY GET THIS INFORMATION?

I MEAN, THAT I HAVE A

GRANDSON WHO'S NAME IS

JOSHUA.

THIS IS THE MOST

DESPICABLE TYPE OF CONSUMER

FRAUD WE CAN SEE IN THIS

OFFICE.

YOU KNOW, AND IT'S JUST ONE

DROP OF SHORT OF VIOLENT

CRIME.

Reporter: GRANDPARENTS

AREN'T THE ONLY ONES WHO

NEED TO BE CAREFUL.

FRIEDMAN ENCOURAGES ALL

CONSUMERS, NEVER RUSH TO

WIRE MONEY ANYWHERE UNLESS

YOU KNOW FOR SURE WHO WILL

GET IT.

TYPICALLY WIRING MONEY IS

NO DIFFERENT THAN HANDING

CASH TO SOMEONE.

ONCE THEY RUN AWAY, THE

MONEY IS GONE.

Reporter: AND THE

MERITS SHARE THEIR OWN

ADVICE AFTER ALMOST BECOMING

A VICTIM.

HE HAD ANSWERS FOR

EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING.

BUT IT IS IMPORTANT FOR

PEOPLE TO ASK QUESTIONS,

PERSONAL QUESTIONS, TO MAKE

SURE THAT THIS IS THEIR

LOVED ONES.

Reporter: EPHRAIM

GRAHAM, CBN NEWS, MONTGOMERY

COUNTY, MARYLAND.

Gordon: UNFORTUNATELY,

IN THIS DIGITAL AGE, A GREAT

DEAL OF INFORMATION ABOUT

YOU IS OUT THERE.

AND NOT JUST ABOUT YOU, BUT

WHO IS RELATED TO YOU, WHERE

THEY ARE, AND THESE CROOKS

ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF IT.

IT'S A SHAME.

AND YOU WISH THERE WAS SOME

EFFECTIVE LAW ENFORCEMENT,

BUT UNFORTUNATELY THEY

OPERATE INTERNATIONALLY.

THEY OPERATE THROUGH BANK

ACCOUNTS THAT ARE JUST RELAY

ACCOUNTS.

AND IT'S VERY HARD TO CATCH

THEM.

SO THE BEST DEFENSE, IF YOU

WILL, IS TO PREVENT IT FROM

EVER HAPPENING.

SO IF YOU EVER GET SOME KIND

OF CALL LIKE THIS, MAKE SURE

YOU VERIFY IT.

DON'T ACT ON IMPULSE, AND

CERTAINLY DON'T ACT OF SOME

SORT OF FALSE SENSE OF

COMPULSION THAT YOU HAVE TO

DO IT NOW.

YOU NEED TO VERIFY ANYTHING

YOU GETTING IN THIS KIND OF

NATURE.

WITH THE INFORMATION OUT

THERE AVAILABLE TO

PRACTICALLY ANYONE NOW, ALL

OF THE PROFILE INFORMATION

ON YOU IS THERE.

THEY CAN TRACK WHO IS

RELATED TO YOU.

THEY CAN TRACK THEM, FIND

OUT WHEN THEY'RE

TRAVELLING.

IT'S A VERY DANGEROUS WORLD

WE LIVE IN.

Terry: IT REALLY IS.

AND THE MORE WE'RE ONLINE

AND SHARING INFORMATION, THE

EASIER WE MAKE IT FOR

SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO

HAPPEN.

UP NEXT, YOU'RE GOING TO

MEET A MAN WHO MADE A LIVING

SCAMMING OTHER PEOPLE

LEGALLY, BY WORKING AS AN

UNDERCOVER AGENT FOR THE

F.B.I.

HE'LL TELL US ABOUT HIS

TOUGHEST CASE AFTER THIS.

Gordon: HE TRAVELS THE

WORLD IN PACKED-OUT

STADIUM.

BECAUSE I HAVE NO ARMS

AND NO LEGS, HE IS USING ME

ALL AROUND THE WORLD.

Gordon: AND HE LET'S

NOTHING HOLD HIM BACK.

WE'VE SEEN SO FAR,

APPROXIMATELY -- THIS IS

CONSERVATIVE -- 200,000

SOULS COME TO JESUS CHRIST

FOR THE FIRST TIME.

Gordon: MEET THE

UNSTOPPABLE NICK ON THE NEXT

"700 CLUB INTERACTIVE."

FOR MORE THAN 25 YEARS BOB

HAMMER LED A DOUBLE LIFE,

AND HE GOT PAID FOR IT.

IT WAS DANGEROUS WORK, BUT

AS AN UNDERCOVER AGENT, BOB

HAD A SECRET WEAPON IN HIS

ARSENAL FROM THE GET-GO.

I'D POSE AS A CONTRACT

KILLER, A DRUG DEALER, A

RESIDENTIAL BURGLAR, A

WHITE-COLLAR CRIMINAL.

I WAS A PEDOPHILE FOR THREE

YEARS.

I HAVE BEEN AN INTERNATIONAL

ARMS DEALER.

Reporter: BOB HAMMER

SPENT 26 YEARS WITH THE

F.B.I. AS AN UNDERCOVER

AGENT.

HE HAS BEEN IN GUN BATTLES

AND LIFE-THREATENING

SITUATION, BUT HE SAYS HE

FELT A PROTECTION THAT THE

BEST BODY ARMOR AND COVER

COULDN'T PROVIDE.

I PRAYED BEFORE EVERY

UNDERCOVER ASSIGNMENT.

TYPICALLY IT WAS A PRAYER OF

STRENGTH.

GOD, GIVE ME THE STRENGTH TO

CARRY OUT THIS ASSIGNMENT.

AND EACH OF THOSE

ASSIGNMENTS HAD AN ELEMENT

OF DANGER.

I WAS THE UNDERCOVER AGENT

IN THE L.A. MAFIA CASE WHERE

WE TOOK OUT THE TOP 15 MOB

GUYS IN L.A.

IF THEY DISCOVERED WHO I

WAS, I COULD HAVE BEEN

KILLED.

BUT THERE WAS USUALLY A

SENSE OF PEACE BECAUSE I

THOUGHT I WAS WHERE I WAS

SUPPOSED TO BE.

Reporter: HE FOUND HIS

CALLING WHILE IN HIS 20s.

BOB APPLIED FOR A JOB AS AN

F.B.I. AGENT, BUT WAS TURNED

DOWN DUE TO A HIRING

FREEZE.

BEFORE HE ACCEPTED ANOTHER

JOB, HE STOPPED TO PRAY.

THE NEXT MORNING THE

F.B.I. CALLED AND THEY SAID,

WE JUST HAD SOMEBODY DROP

OUT OF OUR SEPTEMBER CLASS,

ARE YOU STILL INTERESTED IN

BEING AN F.B.I. AGENT?

THAT WAS MY CALLING.

I COULDN'T HAVE ASKED FOR A

MORE DIRECT ANSWER TO

PRAYER.

I ALWAYS CAME BACK TO THAT

ANSWER TO PRAYER, THAT I WAS

MEANT TO BE IN THE F.B.I.

Reporter: BOB SAYS HIS

FAITH IN GOD GAVE HIM

COMFORT AND PROTECTION.

DEUTERONOMY 38: 1: "THE

LORD HIMSELF WILL GO BEFORE

YOU AND BE WITH YOU.

HE WILL NEVER LEAVE YOU NOR

FORSAKE YOU.

DO NOT BE DISCOURAGED.

DO NOT BE AFRAID."

THAT VERSE MEANT A LOT TO ME

THROUGHOUT MY CAREER.

THERE WERE TIMES, LITERALLY

WALKING INTO AN UNDERCOVER

MISSION, INTO AN ASSIGNMENT,

WALKING INTO A ROOM FULL OF

MEN WITH GUNS, NOT KNOWING,

LITERALLY, WHETHER I'D COME

OUT ALIVE, WHERE I WAS

RECITING THAT VERSE.

IT SUSTAINED ME THROUGH SOME

OF THE TOUGHEST

ASSIGNMENTS.

Reporter: AND HE

MAINTAINED HIS CHRISTIAN

FAITH AND VALUES EVEN WHILE

UNDERCOVER.

EVEN THOUGH I MAY HAVE

BEEN PORTRAYING AN

INTERNATIONAL DRUG DEALER OR

A CONTRACT KILLER, I WAS

ABLE TO MAINTAIN THOSE

VALUES.

THERE WERE TIMES WHEN I FELT

LIKE I WAS SQUEEZING ALL OF

THIS EVIL OUT OF MY

SPONGE-LIKE BRAIN BEFORE I

WENT HOME, BEFORE I WAS ABLE

TO SPEND TIME WITH MY WIFE

AND CHILDREN.

BUT I WAS ABLE TO

COMPARTMENTALIZE IT.

Reporter: ONE OF HIS

TOUGHEST ASSIGNMENTS WAS THE

THREE YEARS HE SPENT

INFILTRATING A PEDOPHILE

ASSOCIATION.

CALLED NAMBLA.

IN NAMBLA, I HAD TO

BECOME LIKE ONE OF THEM.

I HAD TO THINK LIKE THEY

DID.

THE MEN I WAS DEALING WITH

WERE SEEING THE WORLD

THROUGH A WHOLE DIFFERENT

SET OF EYES.

IT WAS MY MOST DIFFICULT

CASE AND MY MOST DISGUSTING

CASE.

Reporter: BECAUSE OF

HIS UNDERCOVER WORK, SEVERAL

MEN IN THE GROUP'S

LEADERSHIP WERE CONVICTED ON

FEDERAL CHARGES.

HIS BOOK "THE LAST

UNDERCOVER," DETAILS HIS

CAREER IN THE F.B.I. AND THE

NAMBLA CASE.

IT WAS A BOOK I HAD TO

WRITE.

I WANTED TO ALERT THE WORLD

TO THIS ORGANIZATION AND TO

THE BOY-LOVER AGENDA.

MOST OF THE MEN I DEALT WITH

SOUGHT THE CHILDREN THAT

WERE SEEKING A FATHER

FIGURE.

A LOT OF THEIR TARGETS WERE

FROM SINGLE-PARENT HOMES OR

HOMES WHERE THERE WAS AN

ABUSIVE FATHER.

THESE MEN WANT TO CREATE

SECRETS.

THEY WANT TO HAVE A SECRET,

THAT THIS IS JUST OUR SECRET

THAT YOU CAN'T TELL ANYONE.

Reporter: BOB RETIRED

SHORTLY AFTER THE NAMBLA

CASE.

THE DIFFICULT ROLES AND

SITUATIONS WERE PART OF

LEARNING HE COULD TRUST GOD

WITH HIS JOB AND HIS LIFE.

HE HAS OBVIOUSLY PROVEN

TO ME THAT HE IS GOING TO

PROTECT ME.

I FELT HIS PROTECTION FOR

THOSE 26 YEARS.

AND BECAUSE I WAS

SUCCESSFUL, THERE WAS

MEANING TO WHAT I WAS TRYING

TO DO, AND I WAS WHERE GOD

WANTED ME TO BE.

Gordon: THERE IS GREAT

PEACE IN KNOWING YOU'RE

WHERE GOD WANTS YOU TO BE.

HERE IS THE VERSE THAT BOB

USED, AND I LOVE THAT HE HAD

A GUIDING VERSE HE WOULD

JUST RECITE TO HIMSELF

BEFORE HE WOULD ENTER ANY

KIND OF DANGEROUS

SITUATION.

IT COMES FROM DEUTERONOMY

31: 8: "THE LORD HIMSELF

GOES BEFORE YOU AND WILL BE

WITH YOU.

HE WILL NEVER LEAVE YOU NOR

FORSAKE YOU.

DO NOT BE AFRAID.

DO NOT BE DISCOURAGED."

THERTHIS IS A WONDERFUL

VERSE.

AND UNDERSTAND GOD'S PROMISE

TO YOU IS THAT SAME THING,

HE WILL NEVER LEAVE YOU.

HE WILL NEVER FORSAKE YOU.

IF YOU EVER FIND YOURSELF IN

A DANGEROUS SITUATION,

UNDERSTAND GOD IS RIGHT

THERE WITH YOU.

AND ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS

TURN TO HIM.

AND HE'LL BE YOUR

PROTECTOR.

WELL, WE'RE GOING THROUGH A

WHOLE SERIES HERE ON "700

CLUB INTERACTIVE," WHERE WE

WANT TO FIND THESE STORIES,

WHERE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN

ENCOURAGED THROUGH THEIR

LIFE BY BIBLE VERSES.

SO IF THERE IS A VERSE THAT

HAS CHANGED YOUR LIFE, WE

WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU.

AND THEN TELL YOUR STORY.

ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS GO TO

OUR Facebook PAGE AND TELL

US WHAT SITUATION YOU WERE

IN, AND WHAT SCRIPTURE

PULLED YOU THROUGH.

SO DO IT NOW.

BE PART OF THE STORY.

BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION.

I WANT TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE.

WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE

WITH THE BIBLE WORKS.

WHEN YOU MEMORIZE THE WORD

OF GOD, IT WILL BE A LAMP

UNTO YOUR FEET.

IT WILL GUIDE YOU.

IT WILL PROTECT YOU.

IT WILL ENCOURAGE YOU BOTH

IN TIMES OF SUCCESS AND IN

TIMES OF GREAT DIFFICULTY.

SO TELL YOUR STORY.

GO TO Facebook.

"700 CLUB INTERACTIVE" ON

Facebook, AND THERE WILL

BE A PLACE THERE WHERE YOU

CAN TELL YOUR STORY.

Terry: FOR MORE OF BOB

BOB HAMMER'S INCREDIBLE

STORY, CHECK OUT HIS BOOK,

CALLED "THE UNDERCOVER

MOB."

AND THE MAN IN OUR NEXT

STORY THOUGHT THE JOB WAS

TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE, AND HE

WAS RIGHT.

Reporter: HE LEFT HIS

JOB IN A MOTORCYCLE SHOP TO

INTERVIEW FOR A POSITION AS

A TRAIN CONDUCTOR.

BUT HE HAD TO BORROW $200 TO

PAY THE AGENCY FEE.

I WANTED A BETTER JOB TO

HELP MY MOM.

MY DAD DIED, SO I WANTED TO

PROVIDE FOR HER.

Reporter: A FEW DAYS

LATER, ALBERT STARTED

WORKING AS A TRAIN MARSHAL,

BUT THE JOB ACTUALLY ENDED

UP BEING A SCAM.

AFTER TWO DAYS WORKING,

10 OF MY CO-WORKERS QUIT.

I HAD A BAD FEELING ABOUT

THAT.

THEN ON PAYDAY, I NEVER GOT

A CHECK.

Reporter: 12 DAYS

LATER, ALBERT CAME HOME

PENNILESS AND UNEMPLOYED.

THAT NIGHT HE TURNED ON

SALUCCI.

AND HE CALLED TO PRAY.

A FEW DAYS LATER, HE GOT A

CALL, ASKING ALBERT IF HE

WANTED TO COME BACK TO WORK

AT HIS OLD JOB.

AND HIS BOSS EVEN GAVE HIM A

RAISE.

I WANT TO THANK CBN FOR

HELPING ME AND THANK YOU FOR

YOUR PROGRAMME, SALUCCI, IN

MY COUNTRY.

Terry: BEING THERE FOR

PEOPLE RIGHT AT THEIR POINT

OF NEED IS WHAT IS "700

CLUB" MEMBERS DO EVERY DAY.

WOULDN'T YOU LIKE TO BE A

PART OF THAT, TO BRING HOPE

AND LIGHT TO PEOPLE WHO ARE

DESPERATE IN MANY IN

STANCES.

YOU CAN DO THAT BY JOINING

"THE 700 CLUB."

WE REACH OUT TO PEOPLE NOT

JUST HERE IN THE UNITED

STATES, BUT ALL AROUND THE

WORLD.

IT IS HAPPENING EVERY DAY.

JOIN WITH US.

IT IS $20 A MONTH, 65 CENTS

A DAY TO BECOME A MEMBER.

ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS CALL

THAT NUMBER ON YOUR SCREEN,

1-888-777-1999.

AND SAY I WANT TO JOIN "700

CLUB."

WE WANT TO SAY THANK YOU BY

SENDING YOU LIF "LIFE

BEYOND THE GRAVE, PART TWO,"

AMAZING STORIES OF PEOPLE

WHO HAVE DIED AND GONE TO

HEAVEN OR HELL, AND WHO HAVE

COME BACK TO SHARE THEIR

STORIES.

CALL RIGHT NOW AND YOU'LL

KNOW YOU'RE MAKING A

DIFFERENTIATION.

Gordon: LET'S GO OVER

TO JOSEPH IN THE CHATROOM.

JOYCE AS, "MY SISTER,

JANE, NEEDS PRAYER.

SHE HAS CANCER, NOW SHE HAS

A SECONDARY SITUATION.

SHE IS DOWN TO 94 POUNDS."

Gordon: WOULD YOU PRAY

FOR HER, JOSEPH?

LORD, WE ASK FOR HEALING

IN HER BODY, AND WE ASK FOR

WEIGHT TO COME BACK ON HER

BODY AS SHE EATS.

WE ASK HER TO GIVE HER A

HUNGER, LORD GOD, FOR FOOD,

SO IT BUILDS HER WEIGHT UP

SO SHE CAN GO BACK FOR

TREATMENT.

LORD, YOU ARE THE MASTER

PHYSICIAN, SO WE KNOW YOU

CAN HEAL HER.

IN JESUS' NAME WE PRAY.

AMEN.

Gordon: WE REMIND YOU,

WE'RE HERE FOR YOU 24 HOURS

A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.

IT IS OUR HONOR AND

PRIVILEGE TO PRAY WITH YOU.

SO IF YOU NEED PRAYER, ALL

YOU HAVE TO DO IS CALL US.

THE NUMBER IS TOLL-FREE,

1-888-777-1999.

THAT'S ALL THE TIME WE HAVE

FOR THIS PROGRAM.

WE LEAVE YOU WITH THESE

WORDS FROM JOHN 14: "LET NOT

YOUR HEART BE TROUBLED.

IF YOU BELIEVE IN GOD,

BELIEVE ALSO IN ME.

REALIZE THE PATHWAY HAS BEEN

MADE OPEN BY JESUS."

ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS BELIEVE

IN HIM AND WE ENTER IN.

SO DO THAT.

JUST RESOLVE TODAY, I'M

GOING TO BELIEVE THE GOOD

NEWS.

GOD BLESS YOU.

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