Gordon: COME ON "700
CLUB INTERACTIVE," A NEW
TYPE OF SCAM.
HOW DO YOU KNOW IT IS
REALLY ME.
Terry: DON'T START
THAT.
Gordon: WHAT IS BEHIND
THESE BROMANCES.
AND HOW TO PROTECT YOURSELF
FROM GETTING HOOKED ON
TODAY'S "700 CLUB
INTERACTIVE."
ON "700 CLUB INTERACTIVE,"
WE USE TECHNOLOGY TO PRAY
FOR EACH OTHER AND EXPLORE
TOPICS THAT MATTER TO YOU.
WATCH WHAT GOD IS DOING IN
THE WORLD TODAY.
GOOD MORNING, AND WELCOME TO
"700 CLUB INTERACTIVE."
IT'S A STORY THAT IS BOTH
SOMEWHAT FUNNY AND BOTH
SHOCKING.
FOR MONTHS NOTRE DAME
LINEBACKER MANE TEO TOLD THE
MEDIA ABOUT HIS GIRLFRIEND.
HE SAID SHE HAD DIED, UNTIL
IT WAS DISCOVERED SHE NEVER
EXISTED.
Terry: MANTI WAS JUST
THE LATEST PERSON TO BE THE
VICTIM OF AN ONLINE SCAM,
ONE THAT IS DRAWING MORE
VICTIMS EVERY DAY.
Kristi: YOU CAN FIND
EVERYTHING ON LINE THESE
DAYS, EVEN LOVE.
AND EVERYBODY IS LOOKING FOR
THAT SPECIAL SOMEONE.
OUT OF THE 54 MILLION LONELY
HEARTS IN THE U.S., OVER
40 MILLION HAVE JOINED
DATING WEBSITES.
AND MILLIONS MORE HAVE
Facebook PROFILES.
SO IT IS NO WONDER THAT
PEOPLE HAVE TRADED FACE TO
FACE CONNECTIONS FOR
ELECTRONIC ONES.
BUT ONE THING ONLINE DATING
HAS PROVEN IS YOU SHOULD
NEVER JUDGE A PERSON BY
THEIR PROFILE.
INTERNET-BASED PROGRAMS HAVE
TAKEN IT TO A WHOLE NEW
LEVEL.
WITH A LITTLE BIT OF COPYING
AND PASTEING, ANYONE CAN BE
THE LOVE OF YOUR LIFE.
Terry: JOINING US FOR
NOR MORE IS DR. HENRY
CLOUT, WHO IS A PSYCHOLOGIST
AND BEST-SELLING AUTHOR.
WE WELCOME YOU BACK TO "700
CLUB INTERACTIVE."
IT'S GOOD TO BE HERE.
BUT HOW DO YOU KNOW IT IS
REALLY ME.
Terry: DON'T START THAT
WITH ME.
THIS IS SO UNBELIEVABLE.
YOU SAID IN OUR WORLD TODAY,
A VIRTUAL RELATIONSHIP, EVEN
WITH SOMEONE YOU HAVE NEVER
SEEN BEFORE, FOR SOME PEOPLE
CAN ACTUALLY BE MORE
POWERFUL THAN A REAL
RELATIONSHIP.
WHY IS THAT?
WELL, IT CAN BE MORE
POWERFUL IN THE BEGINNING,
AND IT CAN BE MUCH MORE
POWERFUL IN ITS SEDUCTIVE
POWER, AND HERE IS WHY:
BASICALLY, IF YOU LOOK AT
THE MODEL OF FALLING IN
LOVE, AND YOU SEE PEOPLE
FALL IN LOVE, WHAT HAPPENS
IS IN THE BEGINNING YOUR
PICTURE OF THE OTHER PERSON,
IF YOU'RE EMOTIONALLY
INVESTED, IS PRETTY MUCH
POSITIVE, RIGHT?
AND IT'S KIND OF ALL
POSITIVE BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T
GOTTEN INTO THE PROBLEMS OF
THE RELATIONSHIP YET.
AND VIRTUAL RELATIONSHIPS
HAVE THE ABILITY TO KEEP A
FANTASY GOING OF WHAT YOU
REALLY WISH SOMEBODY IS LIKE
VERSUS WHAT THEY'RE REALLY
LIKE.
AND THAT FUELS ENORMOUS
AMOUNTS OF CRAZY BRAIN
CHEMISTRY THAT KEEPS PEOPLE
KIND OF ON A PERPETUAL
HIGH.
IT IS VERY ADDICTING.
Terry: IT SEEMS LIKE AT
SOME POINT IN A REGULAR
RELATIONSHIP YOU'D WANT TO
EYEBALL TO EYEBALL MEETING
DIRECTLY, AND YET SOME OF
THESE THINGS GO ON FOR A
LONG, LONG TIME.
WHAT ARE THE VICTIMS GETTING
OUT OF THIS IF IT IS NOT A
REAL RELATIONSHIP?
WELL, I THINK THAT'S A
REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT
QUESTION.
AND IT IS A DIAGNOSTIC
QUESTION.
THE MOST DANGEROUS OF THESE
ARE FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE REAL
DIFFICULTY, FOR WHATEVER
REASON.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE REALLY
SICK T NOT TO HAVE
RELATIONSHIPS.
BUT WHEN YOU GET INTO REAL
RELATIONSHIPS, YOU HAVE
CONFLICTS AND EXPECTATIONS
AND THE OTHER ONE DOESN'T
MEET THEM, AND NOW YOU'VE
GOT TO TALK ABOUT THEM.
SO IF YOU HAVE THOSE KINDS
OF FEARS, THINK ABOUT IT.
YOU CAN HAVE A VIRTUAL
RELATIONSHIP AND NEVER
REALLY HAVE TO DEAL WITH
SOME OF THE REALITIES THAT A
REAL RELATIONSHIP PRESENTS.
SO THE DANGER IS, LIKE
ANYTHING ELSE, THAT WE ARE
GOING TO GRAVITATE TOWARDS
THE LEAST RESISTANCE, AND
THE LEAST AMOUNT OF PAIN,
AND THAT'S HOW THESE BECOME
SO ADDICTING.
NOW, I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING
ELSE.
I WROTE A BOOK CALLED "HOW
TO GET A DATE WORTH
KEEPING," AND IN THAT BOOK,
I AM A HUGE ADVOCATE FOR
ONLINE DATING FOR MANY, MANY
GOOD REASONS.
BUT THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN
SUBSTITUTING A REAL
RELATIONSHIP FOR A FANTASY.
Terry: HOW DO YOU TELL
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE
TWO?
YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE ARE A
LOT OF PEOPLE MEETING PEOPLE
OF LIKE VALUES ON LINE, AND
THERE ARE RELATIONSHIPS THAT
ARE FORMING.
HOW DO YOU KNOW THE
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT AND
A SCAM?
WELL, IT WOULD BE NICE IF
A REAL PERSON, LIKE, SHOWED
UP ONE DAY IN A COFFEE
SHOP.
AT SOME POINT YOU'VE GOT TO
REALIZE THAT THERE HAS TO
BE -- AND I CALL IT LIKE THE
TRIANGULATION OF A G.P.S.
THE WAY YOUR G.P.S. WORKS IS
YOU GET A LOCATION BY
TRIANGULATING.
IF YOU ARE TALKING TO YOU
AND ANOTHER PERSON, YOU HAVE
NO THIRD PERSON TO KNOW THE
REALITY.
YOU START TO ASK ABOUT THEIR
FAMILY.
YOU START TO ASK ABOUT THEIR
JOB.
YOU START TO ASK ABOUT THEIR
BACKGROUND.
AND THE MORE THEY FILL IN
THIS BIG PICTURE OF WHO THEY
ARE, THEN YOU HAVE SOME
REFERENCE POINTS TO BEGIN TO
KNOW THAT SOMETHING IS
REAL.
ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT THIS
SITUATION WITH TEO WAS THERE
WERE NO E-MAILING -- WHAT
NORMAL PEOPLE DO IN
RELATIONSHIPS NOW.
HEY, I'M AT THE BEACH.
HERE IS THE SHOT.
THAT BACK AND FORTH WHERE
YOU CAN TRIANGULATE IT WITH
REALITY.
THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT.
SECONDLY, IN GOOD ONLINE
DATING, I THINK THAT
SOMEWHERE PRETTY SOON TO
KNOW THAT SOMETHING IS
HAPPENING, IT WOULD BE GOOD
TO HAVE A FACE-TO-FACE
MEETING, BUT YOU'VE GOT TO
DO IT IN A VERY SAFE WAY
BECAUSE IT IS A VERY
DANGEROUS WORLD OUT THERE.
Terry: WHEN YOU'RE
LOOKING AT THIS WHOLE ISSUE
OF THE SCAM, MANY OF THE
PEOPLE WHO ARE THE
PERPETRATORS, WHO ARE
LEADING THIS WHOLE THING,
AREN'T EVEN GETTING ANY
MONEY OUT OF IT.
SO WHAT'S IN IT FOR THEM?
THERE ARE SO MANY
PSYCHOLOGICAL ANGLES.
SOMEBODY WHO CAN BE SCAMMING
SOMEBODY CAN BE DOING IT
JUST FOR THE POWER OF IT.
THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO
ACTUALLY FEEL POWERLESS TO
HAVE REAL RELATIONSHIPS.
AND ONE OF THE WAYS THEY
KIND OF FEEL BETTER ABOUT
THEMSELVES AND LIFE IS TO
BEGIN TO HAVE CONTROL OVER
SOMEBODY.
THINK ABOUT IT.
IF YOU FEEL POWERLESS IN THE
RELATIONAL WORLD AND YOU
CAN'T MAKE A REAL
RELATIONSHIP WORK, WHAT
BETTER DRUG WOULD THERE BE
TO GET AWAY FROM THAT
FEELING OF POWERLESSNESS
THAN TO THINK YOU'VE GOT
CONTROL OF SOMEBODY'S LIFE.
IT IS SICK, BUT IT'S A REAL
DRUG TRIP.
Terry: IS THERE KIND OF
A PSYCHOLOGICAL PROFILE FOR
PEOPLE WHO TEND TO GET
CAUGHT IN THESE SCAMMING
INCIDENTS?
YOU TALKED ABOUT PEOPLE WHO
HAVE TROUBLE IN THOSE
RELATIONSHIPS, MAYBE IT IS
LOW SELF-ESTEEM.
BUT IN TEO'S SITUATION, HERE
IS A GUY WHO IS WELSH LIKED,
AN WELL -- WELL LIKED, SO
YOU WOULDN'T THINK IT.
YOU WOULDN'T THINK IT IN
A COMPARTMENTALIZED PART OF
HIS LIFE.
WHEN WE LOOK AT HIM, WHAT WE
KNOW ABOUT HIM IS A PUBLIC
PERSONA, AND WE KNOW AN AREA
OF THIS LIFE WHERE HE HAS
INCREDIBLE SKILLS, AND
THAT'S IN FOOTBALL.
BUT THINK ABOUT HOW MANY --
JUST GO TO THE GROCERY STORE
AND LOOK AT THE TABLOIDS IN
THE CHECK-OUT COUNTER, AND
YOU'LL SEE ALL SORTS OF
STARS WHO HAVE INCREDIBLE
SKILLS IN THEIR PUBLIC
PERSONA, BUT YOU READ ABOUT
THEIR PERSONAL LIFE, AND
THERE ARE SOME SKILL
DEFICITS THERE.
SO WE CAN SEE HOW SOMEBODY
CAN LOOK GOOD AND, ACTUALLY,
THAT CAN FUEL THE NEED FOR
THEM TO KIND OF FILL OUT THE
PICTURE, RIGHT?
IF I'M HIM AND I'M A
FOOTBALL STAR AND EVERYBODY
IS I'L IDEALIZING ME, I
ALSO HAVE TO FILL OUT THE
PORTRAIT TO MAKE SURE I LOOK
GOOD IN ALL OF THE AREAS OF
LIFE.
SO I NEED THIS FANTASY
PRESENTATION, IN SOME SENSE,
IT'S KIND OF A P.R. SCAM,
PERHAPS.
IF YOU GO TO YOUR QUESTION
TO NORMAL PEOPLE, WHO AREN'T
ON THE COVER OF SPORTS
MAGAZINES EVERY DAY, THE
PROFILE WOULD BE, CERTAINLY,
AS I SAID, WHEN
RELATIONSHIPS ARE
DIFFICULT.
BUT ANOTHER ONE, TERRY, IS
THAT IF YOU'VE GOT SOMEBODY
WHO IS HEALTHY, THEY'RE NOT
GOING TO BE SATISFIED,
LONG-TERM, BY A VIRTUAL
RELATIONSHIP THAT THEY CAN'T
FILL OUT ALL OF THE AREAS OF
LIFE WITH.
ULTIMATELY, SOMEBODY IS
GOING TO WANT TO MEET THIS
PERSON.
IF I'M IN LOVE WITH
SOMEBODY, WOULDN'T I LIKE TO
SPEND THE DAY WITH THEM OR
GO TO THE ZOO OR SOMETHING
REAL?
SO ANYBODY THAT CAN BE
SATISFIED BY FANTASY
LONG-TERM, YOU'VE GOT TO ASK
YOURSELF WHAT IS IT ABOUT
REALITY THAT I'M AFRAID TO
GET INTO.
Terry: SOUND ADVICE.
SOUND ADVICE.
THANK YOU, DR. HENRY CLOUT,
FOR BEING WITH US.
THE DISCUSSION CONTINUES ON
OUR Facebook PAGE.
DO YOU KNOW SOMEONE WHO HAS
BEEN A VICTIM OF A SCAM LIKE
THIS?
DO YOU THINK THE PEOPLE WHO
GET CAUGHT ARE JUST NAIVE?
LET US KNOW.
GO TO
facebook.com/700clubintera
ctive.
Gordon: COMING UP,
YOUNG DIFFICULTIE ADULTS
LOOKING FOR ROMANCE AREN'T
THE ONLY ONES GETTING
SCAMMED.
SEE HOW GRANDPARENTS ARE
GETTING DEFRAUDED.
THAT'S UP NEXT.
Gordon: Facebook AND
TWITTER ARE GIVING NEW LIFE
TO AN OLD CON GAME:
TARGETING SENIOR CITIZENS.
EPHRAIM GRAHAM HAS THE GOODS
ON THE SCHEME KNOWN AS THE
GRANDPARENTS' SCAM.
Reporter: FAMILY MEANS
EVERYTHING TO LEON AND NINA
MERIT.
AS YOUNG CHILDREN, THE
HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS LOST
EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING.
MY DAUGHTER, MY
GRANDCHILDREN ARE THE ONLY
RELATIVES WE HAVE.
I AM THE ONLY SURVIVOR OF
MY FAMILY.
SO MY GRANDSON MEANS A LOT
TO ME.
Reporter: AND HE WAS ON
NINA'S MIND WHEN SHE
ANSWERED HER PHONE A FEW
WEEKS AGO.
HE SAID, HI, GRANDMA.
HOW YOU DOING?
AND I SAID, WHO AM I TALKING
TO?
AND HE SAID, YOUR GRANDSON,
JOSHUA.
AND I SAID JOSHUA NEVER
CALLS ME GRANDMA.
HE CALLS ME SOFTA.
Reporter: JOSHUA LIVES
IN ISRAEL, BUT THE CALLER
TOLD NINA HE HAD BEEN IN
GREECE, TENDING A FRIEND'S
WEDDING.
AND THEN HE SAID, WELL, I
AM IN BIG TROUBLE.
AND PROMISE YOU ARE NOT
GOING TO TELL MY PARENTS.
Reporter: SO THE STORY
GOES AND GROWS.
THE CALLER WAS SUPPOSEDLY IN
JAIL BECAUSE HE WRECKED A
RENTAL CAR.
I AM IN BIG TROUBLE.
THEY WOULD NOT LET ME GO,
GET OUT OF THE COUNTRY,
UNTIL I PAY THE DAMAGES.
AND I SAID, SO HOW MUCH ARE
THE DAMAGES?
HE SAID $3,500.
Reporter: NINA THEN
GAVE THE PHONE TO HER
HUSBAND, WHO PRESSED THE
CALLER FOR A NUMBER TO CALL
HIM BACK.
HE SAID, NO, I CANNOT
GIVE UT NUMBER.
I'M GOING TO PAY YOU BACK
EVERY PENNY.
DON'T WORRY.
DON'T WORRY.
IF YOU DON'T GIVE ME THE
MONEY, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO
LET ME LEAVE THE COUNTRY.
I SAID, JOSH, IT JUST
DOESN'T SOUND LIKE YOU.
YOU HAVE TO GIVE ME THE
TELEPHONE NUMBER.
LET ME THINK.
MAYBE I HAVE TO TALK TO
SOMEBODY.
AND HE DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE
ME THE TELEPHONE NUMBER.
AT THAT POINT, WE GOT
DISENGAGED.
THAT'S IT.
NO MONEY.
Reporter: LEON THEN
CALLED HIS GRANDSON, WHO WAS
SAFE IN ISRAEL.
TO BE ABLE TO EXPLOIT
SENIORS AND THEIR LOVE FOR
THEIR GRANDCHILDREN IS ABOUT
AS LOW AS IT COMES.
Reporter: ERIC
FREEDMOND HEADS THE
MONTGOMERY COUNTY CONSUMER
PROTECTION AGENCY, AND HE
SAYS THE PHONE CALL FOLLOWED
THE FOUR-STEP PLAN TO THE
GRANDPARENT'S STEP,
ESTABLISH EMERGENCY AND
CONNECTION, AND SECRECY, AND
THEN EXPLOIT THEIR
GRANDPARENTS' WILLINGNESS TO
HELP THEIR GRANDCHILDREN.
THE AGE OF SOCIAL MEDIA IS
ALSO MAKING IT EASIER FOR
CROOKS TO GET INFORMATION ON
A POSSIBLE TARGET, LIKE HERE
ON Facebook, WHERE
MILLIONS COME TO POST
PERSONAL PICTURES AND
INFORMATION TO SHARE WITH
FAMILY.
IN THE HANDS OF A CROOK,
THAT INFORMATION CAN BE
USEFUL TO CON A GRANDPARENT
WHO ISN'T LIKELY TO HAVE A
Facebook PAGE.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE DO
THEY GET THIS INFORMATION?
I MEAN, THAT I HAVE A
GRANDSON WHO'S NAME IS
JOSHUA.
THIS IS THE MOST
DESPICABLE TYPE OF CONSUMER
FRAUD WE CAN SEE IN THIS
OFFICE.
YOU KNOW, AND IT'S JUST ONE
DROP OF SHORT OF VIOLENT
CRIME.
Reporter: GRANDPARENTS
AREN'T THE ONLY ONES WHO
NEED TO BE CAREFUL.
FRIEDMAN ENCOURAGES ALL
CONSUMERS, NEVER RUSH TO
WIRE MONEY ANYWHERE UNLESS
YOU KNOW FOR SURE WHO WILL
GET IT.
TYPICALLY WIRING MONEY IS
NO DIFFERENT THAN HANDING
CASH TO SOMEONE.
ONCE THEY RUN AWAY, THE
MONEY IS GONE.
Reporter: AND THE
MERITS SHARE THEIR OWN
ADVICE AFTER ALMOST BECOMING
A VICTIM.
HE HAD ANSWERS FOR
EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING.
BUT IT IS IMPORTANT FOR
PEOPLE TO ASK QUESTIONS,
PERSONAL QUESTIONS, TO MAKE
SURE THAT THIS IS THEIR
LOVED ONES.
Reporter: EPHRAIM
GRAHAM, CBN NEWS, MONTGOMERY
COUNTY, MARYLAND.
Gordon: UNFORTUNATELY,
IN THIS DIGITAL AGE, A GREAT
DEAL OF INFORMATION ABOUT
YOU IS OUT THERE.
AND NOT JUST ABOUT YOU, BUT
WHO IS RELATED TO YOU, WHERE
THEY ARE, AND THESE CROOKS
ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF IT.
IT'S A SHAME.
AND YOU WISH THERE WAS SOME
EFFECTIVE LAW ENFORCEMENT,
BUT UNFORTUNATELY THEY
OPERATE INTERNATIONALLY.
THEY OPERATE THROUGH BANK
ACCOUNTS THAT ARE JUST RELAY
ACCOUNTS.
AND IT'S VERY HARD TO CATCH
THEM.
SO THE BEST DEFENSE, IF YOU
WILL, IS TO PREVENT IT FROM
EVER HAPPENING.
SO IF YOU EVER GET SOME KIND
OF CALL LIKE THIS, MAKE SURE
YOU VERIFY IT.
DON'T ACT ON IMPULSE, AND
CERTAINLY DON'T ACT OF SOME
SORT OF FALSE SENSE OF
COMPULSION THAT YOU HAVE TO
DO IT NOW.
YOU NEED TO VERIFY ANYTHING
YOU GETTING IN THIS KIND OF
NATURE.
WITH THE INFORMATION OUT
THERE AVAILABLE TO
PRACTICALLY ANYONE NOW, ALL
OF THE PROFILE INFORMATION
ON YOU IS THERE.
THEY CAN TRACK WHO IS
RELATED TO YOU.
THEY CAN TRACK THEM, FIND
OUT WHEN THEY'RE
TRAVELLING.
IT'S A VERY DANGEROUS WORLD
WE LIVE IN.
Terry: IT REALLY IS.
AND THE MORE WE'RE ONLINE
AND SHARING INFORMATION, THE
EASIER WE MAKE IT FOR
SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO
HAPPEN.
UP NEXT, YOU'RE GOING TO
MEET A MAN WHO MADE A LIVING
SCAMMING OTHER PEOPLE
LEGALLY, BY WORKING AS AN
UNDERCOVER AGENT FOR THE
F.B.I.
HE'LL TELL US ABOUT HIS
TOUGHEST CASE AFTER THIS.
Gordon: HE TRAVELS THE
WORLD IN PACKED-OUT
STADIUM.
BECAUSE I HAVE NO ARMS
AND NO LEGS, HE IS USING ME
ALL AROUND THE WORLD.
Gordon: AND HE LET'S
NOTHING HOLD HIM BACK.
WE'VE SEEN SO FAR,
APPROXIMATELY -- THIS IS
CONSERVATIVE -- 200,000
SOULS COME TO JESUS CHRIST
FOR THE FIRST TIME.
Gordon: MEET THE
UNSTOPPABLE NICK ON THE NEXT
"700 CLUB INTERACTIVE."
FOR MORE THAN 25 YEARS BOB
HAMMER LED A DOUBLE LIFE,
AND HE GOT PAID FOR IT.
IT WAS DANGEROUS WORK, BUT
AS AN UNDERCOVER AGENT, BOB
HAD A SECRET WEAPON IN HIS
ARSENAL FROM THE GET-GO.
I'D POSE AS A CONTRACT
KILLER, A DRUG DEALER, A
RESIDENTIAL BURGLAR, A
WHITE-COLLAR CRIMINAL.
I WAS A PEDOPHILE FOR THREE
YEARS.
I HAVE BEEN AN INTERNATIONAL
ARMS DEALER.
Reporter: BOB HAMMER
SPENT 26 YEARS WITH THE
F.B.I. AS AN UNDERCOVER
AGENT.
HE HAS BEEN IN GUN BATTLES
AND LIFE-THREATENING
SITUATION, BUT HE SAYS HE
FELT A PROTECTION THAT THE
BEST BODY ARMOR AND COVER
COULDN'T PROVIDE.
I PRAYED BEFORE EVERY
UNDERCOVER ASSIGNMENT.
TYPICALLY IT WAS A PRAYER OF
STRENGTH.
GOD, GIVE ME THE STRENGTH TO
CARRY OUT THIS ASSIGNMENT.
AND EACH OF THOSE
ASSIGNMENTS HAD AN ELEMENT
OF DANGER.
I WAS THE UNDERCOVER AGENT
IN THE L.A. MAFIA CASE WHERE
WE TOOK OUT THE TOP 15 MOB
GUYS IN L.A.
IF THEY DISCOVERED WHO I
WAS, I COULD HAVE BEEN
KILLED.
BUT THERE WAS USUALLY A
SENSE OF PEACE BECAUSE I
THOUGHT I WAS WHERE I WAS
SUPPOSED TO BE.
Reporter: HE FOUND HIS
CALLING WHILE IN HIS 20s.
BOB APPLIED FOR A JOB AS AN
F.B.I. AGENT, BUT WAS TURNED
DOWN DUE TO A HIRING
FREEZE.
BEFORE HE ACCEPTED ANOTHER
JOB, HE STOPPED TO PRAY.
THE NEXT MORNING THE
F.B.I. CALLED AND THEY SAID,
WE JUST HAD SOMEBODY DROP
OUT OF OUR SEPTEMBER CLASS,
ARE YOU STILL INTERESTED IN
BEING AN F.B.I. AGENT?
THAT WAS MY CALLING.
I COULDN'T HAVE ASKED FOR A
MORE DIRECT ANSWER TO
PRAYER.
I ALWAYS CAME BACK TO THAT
ANSWER TO PRAYER, THAT I WAS
MEANT TO BE IN THE F.B.I.
Reporter: BOB SAYS HIS
FAITH IN GOD GAVE HIM
COMFORT AND PROTECTION.
DEUTERONOMY 38: 1: "THE
LORD HIMSELF WILL GO BEFORE
YOU AND BE WITH YOU.
HE WILL NEVER LEAVE YOU NOR
FORSAKE YOU.
DO NOT BE DISCOURAGED.
DO NOT BE AFRAID."
THAT VERSE MEANT A LOT TO ME
THROUGHOUT MY CAREER.
THERE WERE TIMES, LITERALLY
WALKING INTO AN UNDERCOVER
MISSION, INTO AN ASSIGNMENT,
WALKING INTO A ROOM FULL OF
MEN WITH GUNS, NOT KNOWING,
LITERALLY, WHETHER I'D COME
OUT ALIVE, WHERE I WAS
RECITING THAT VERSE.
IT SUSTAINED ME THROUGH SOME
OF THE TOUGHEST
ASSIGNMENTS.
Reporter: AND HE
MAINTAINED HIS CHRISTIAN
FAITH AND VALUES EVEN WHILE
UNDERCOVER.
EVEN THOUGH I MAY HAVE
BEEN PORTRAYING AN
INTERNATIONAL DRUG DEALER OR
A CONTRACT KILLER, I WAS
ABLE TO MAINTAIN THOSE
VALUES.
THERE WERE TIMES WHEN I FELT
LIKE I WAS SQUEEZING ALL OF
THIS EVIL OUT OF MY
SPONGE-LIKE BRAIN BEFORE I
WENT HOME, BEFORE I WAS ABLE
TO SPEND TIME WITH MY WIFE
AND CHILDREN.
BUT I WAS ABLE TO
COMPARTMENTALIZE IT.
Reporter: ONE OF HIS
TOUGHEST ASSIGNMENTS WAS THE
THREE YEARS HE SPENT
INFILTRATING A PEDOPHILE
ASSOCIATION.
CALLED NAMBLA.
IN NAMBLA, I HAD TO
BECOME LIKE ONE OF THEM.
I HAD TO THINK LIKE THEY
DID.
THE MEN I WAS DEALING WITH
WERE SEEING THE WORLD
THROUGH A WHOLE DIFFERENT
SET OF EYES.
IT WAS MY MOST DIFFICULT
CASE AND MY MOST DISGUSTING
CASE.
Reporter: BECAUSE OF
HIS UNDERCOVER WORK, SEVERAL
MEN IN THE GROUP'S
LEADERSHIP WERE CONVICTED ON
FEDERAL CHARGES.
HIS BOOK "THE LAST
UNDERCOVER," DETAILS HIS
CAREER IN THE F.B.I. AND THE
NAMBLA CASE.
IT WAS A BOOK I HAD TO
WRITE.
I WANTED TO ALERT THE WORLD
TO THIS ORGANIZATION AND TO
THE BOY-LOVER AGENDA.
MOST OF THE MEN I DEALT WITH
SOUGHT THE CHILDREN THAT
WERE SEEKING A FATHER
FIGURE.
A LOT OF THEIR TARGETS WERE
FROM SINGLE-PARENT HOMES OR
HOMES WHERE THERE WAS AN
ABUSIVE FATHER.
THESE MEN WANT TO CREATE
SECRETS.
THEY WANT TO HAVE A SECRET,
THAT THIS IS JUST OUR SECRET
THAT YOU CAN'T TELL ANYONE.
Reporter: BOB RETIRED
SHORTLY AFTER THE NAMBLA
CASE.
THE DIFFICULT ROLES AND
SITUATIONS WERE PART OF
LEARNING HE COULD TRUST GOD
WITH HIS JOB AND HIS LIFE.
HE HAS OBVIOUSLY PROVEN
TO ME THAT HE IS GOING TO
PROTECT ME.
I FELT HIS PROTECTION FOR
THOSE 26 YEARS.
AND BECAUSE I WAS
SUCCESSFUL, THERE WAS
MEANING TO WHAT I WAS TRYING
TO DO, AND I WAS WHERE GOD
WANTED ME TO BE.
Gordon: THERE IS GREAT
PEACE IN KNOWING YOU'RE
WHERE GOD WANTS YOU TO BE.
HERE IS THE VERSE THAT BOB
USED, AND I LOVE THAT HE HAD
A GUIDING VERSE HE WOULD
JUST RECITE TO HIMSELF
BEFORE HE WOULD ENTER ANY
KIND OF DANGEROUS
SITUATION.
IT COMES FROM DEUTERONOMY
31: 8: "THE LORD HIMSELF
GOES BEFORE YOU AND WILL BE
WITH YOU.
HE WILL NEVER LEAVE YOU NOR
FORSAKE YOU.
DO NOT BE AFRAID.
DO NOT BE DISCOURAGED."
THERTHIS IS A WONDERFUL
VERSE.
AND UNDERSTAND GOD'S PROMISE
TO YOU IS THAT SAME THING,
HE WILL NEVER LEAVE YOU.
HE WILL NEVER FORSAKE YOU.
IF YOU EVER FIND YOURSELF IN
A DANGEROUS SITUATION,
UNDERSTAND GOD IS RIGHT
THERE WITH YOU.
AND ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS
TURN TO HIM.
AND HE'LL BE YOUR
PROTECTOR.
WELL, WE'RE GOING THROUGH A
WHOLE SERIES HERE ON "700
CLUB INTERACTIVE," WHERE WE
WANT TO FIND THESE STORIES,
WHERE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN
ENCOURAGED THROUGH THEIR
LIFE BY BIBLE VERSES.
SO IF THERE IS A VERSE THAT
HAS CHANGED YOUR LIFE, WE
WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU.
AND THEN TELL YOUR STORY.
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS GO TO
OUR Facebook PAGE AND TELL
US WHAT SITUATION YOU WERE
IN, AND WHAT SCRIPTURE
PULLED YOU THROUGH.
SO DO IT NOW.
BE PART OF THE STORY.
BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION.
I WANT TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE.
WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE
WITH THE BIBLE WORKS.
WHEN YOU MEMORIZE THE WORD
OF GOD, IT WILL BE A LAMP
UNTO YOUR FEET.
IT WILL GUIDE YOU.
IT WILL PROTECT YOU.
IT WILL ENCOURAGE YOU BOTH
IN TIMES OF SUCCESS AND IN
TIMES OF GREAT DIFFICULTY.
SO TELL YOUR STORY.
GO TO Facebook.
"700 CLUB INTERACTIVE" ON
Facebook, AND THERE WILL
BE A PLACE THERE WHERE YOU
CAN TELL YOUR STORY.
Terry: FOR MORE OF BOB
BOB HAMMER'S INCREDIBLE
STORY, CHECK OUT HIS BOOK,
CALLED "THE UNDERCOVER
MOB."
AND THE MAN IN OUR NEXT
STORY THOUGHT THE JOB WAS
TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE, AND HE
WAS RIGHT.
Reporter: HE LEFT HIS
JOB IN A MOTORCYCLE SHOP TO
INTERVIEW FOR A POSITION AS
A TRAIN CONDUCTOR.
BUT HE HAD TO BORROW $200 TO
PAY THE AGENCY FEE.
I WANTED A BETTER JOB TO
HELP MY MOM.
MY DAD DIED, SO I WANTED TO
PROVIDE FOR HER.
Reporter: A FEW DAYS
LATER, ALBERT STARTED
WORKING AS A TRAIN MARSHAL,
BUT THE JOB ACTUALLY ENDED
UP BEING A SCAM.
AFTER TWO DAYS WORKING,
10 OF MY CO-WORKERS QUIT.
I HAD A BAD FEELING ABOUT
THAT.
THEN ON PAYDAY, I NEVER GOT
A CHECK.
Reporter: 12 DAYS
LATER, ALBERT CAME HOME
PENNILESS AND UNEMPLOYED.
THAT NIGHT HE TURNED ON
SALUCCI.
AND HE CALLED TO PRAY.
A FEW DAYS LATER, HE GOT A
CALL, ASKING ALBERT IF HE
WANTED TO COME BACK TO WORK
AT HIS OLD JOB.
AND HIS BOSS EVEN GAVE HIM A
RAISE.
I WANT TO THANK CBN FOR
HELPING ME AND THANK YOU FOR
YOUR PROGRAMME, SALUCCI, IN
MY COUNTRY.
Terry: BEING THERE FOR
PEOPLE RIGHT AT THEIR POINT
OF NEED IS WHAT IS "700
CLUB" MEMBERS DO EVERY DAY.
WOULDN'T YOU LIKE TO BE A
PART OF THAT, TO BRING HOPE
AND LIGHT TO PEOPLE WHO ARE
DESPERATE IN MANY IN
STANCES.
YOU CAN DO THAT BY JOINING
"THE 700 CLUB."
WE REACH OUT TO PEOPLE NOT
JUST HERE IN THE UNITED
STATES, BUT ALL AROUND THE
WORLD.
IT IS HAPPENING EVERY DAY.
JOIN WITH US.
IT IS $20 A MONTH, 65 CENTS
A DAY TO BECOME A MEMBER.
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS CALL
THAT NUMBER ON YOUR SCREEN,
1-888-777-1999.
AND SAY I WANT TO JOIN "700
CLUB."
WE WANT TO SAY THANK YOU BY
SENDING YOU LIF "LIFE
BEYOND THE GRAVE, PART TWO,"
AMAZING STORIES OF PEOPLE
WHO HAVE DIED AND GONE TO
HEAVEN OR HELL, AND WHO HAVE
COME BACK TO SHARE THEIR
STORIES.
CALL RIGHT NOW AND YOU'LL
KNOW YOU'RE MAKING A
DIFFERENTIATION.
Gordon: LET'S GO OVER
TO JOSEPH IN THE CHATROOM.
JOYCE AS, "MY SISTER,
JANE, NEEDS PRAYER.
SHE HAS CANCER, NOW SHE HAS
A SECONDARY SITUATION.
SHE IS DOWN TO 94 POUNDS."
Gordon: WOULD YOU PRAY
FOR HER, JOSEPH?
LORD, WE ASK FOR HEALING
IN HER BODY, AND WE ASK FOR
WEIGHT TO COME BACK ON HER
BODY AS SHE EATS.
WE ASK HER TO GIVE HER A
HUNGER, LORD GOD, FOR FOOD,
SO IT BUILDS HER WEIGHT UP
SO SHE CAN GO BACK FOR
TREATMENT.
LORD, YOU ARE THE MASTER
PHYSICIAN, SO WE KNOW YOU
CAN HEAL HER.
IN JESUS' NAME WE PRAY.
AMEN.
Gordon: WE REMIND YOU,
WE'RE HERE FOR YOU 24 HOURS
A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.
IT IS OUR HONOR AND
PRIVILEGE TO PRAY WITH YOU.
SO IF YOU NEED PRAYER, ALL
YOU HAVE TO DO IS CALL US.
THE NUMBER IS TOLL-FREE,
1-888-777-1999.
THAT'S ALL THE TIME WE HAVE
FOR THIS PROGRAM.
WE LEAVE YOU WITH THESE
WORDS FROM JOHN 14: "LET NOT
YOUR HEART BE TROUBLED.
IF YOU BELIEVE IN GOD,
BELIEVE ALSO IN ME.
REALIZE THE PATHWAY HAS BEEN
MADE OPEN BY JESUS."
ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS BELIEVE
IN HIM AND WE ENTER IN.
SO DO THAT.
JUST RESOLVE TODAY, I'M
GOING TO BELIEVE THE GOOD
NEWS.
GOD BLESS YOU.