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The 700 Club - May 29, 2013

ORU President Dr. Mark Rutland shares insights from his new book, Relaunch. Plus, John was taught to believe faith in God was a sign of weakness, but years later he learned otherwise. Read Transcript


HERE IS A SIGHT YOU

WOULDN'T EXPECT TO SEE

INSIDE A PUBLIC SCHOOL.

THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN

ANYWHERE ELSE.

Lee: GO INSIDE THE

HOTTEST CLUB ON CAMPUS.

IT IS DEFINITELY A GOD

THING.

Lee: AND FIND OUT WHY

PEOPLE AROUND THE COUNTRY

WANT TO JOIN.

LOOK WHAT GOD CAN DO IN

YOUR SCHOOL.

Lee: PLUS...

HE SAYS, I'VE GOT SOME

BAD NEWS.

AND I SAID, WHAT'S THE BAD

NEWS.

AND HE SAID, I THINK YOU

HAVE LEUKEMIA.

AND I'M, LIKE, IS THAT A

CANCER.

Lee: AND THE NEWS GOT

WORSE.

AND I THINK YOU HAVE

ABOUT TWO WEEKS TO LIVE.

Lee: AND HOW SHE BEAT

THE ODDS.

YOU CAN PUT YOUR TRUST IN

MEDICINE, BUT THE ULTIMATE

HEALING HAS GOT TO BE GOD.

Lee: ON TODAY'S "700

CLUB."

[APPLAUSE]

Pat: WELCOME, FOLKS, TO

THIS EDITION OF "THE 700

CLUB."

THE SCANDAL AROUND THE

I.R.S. AND CONSERVATIVE

POLITICAL GROUPS KEEPS

GETTING BIGGER, AND NOW

CONGRESS IS LAUNCHING

MULTIPLE INVESTIGATIONS TO

FIND OUT WHAT THE TAX AGENCY

WAS REALLY UP TO.

Kristi: PAT, THEY WANT

TO KNOW WHY THE I.R.S. WAS

ASKING ORDINARY CITIZENS

EVERYTHING FROM WHAT THEY

WERE READING TO WHAT THEY

WERE PRAYING ABOUT.

WELL, JENNIFER WISHON HAS

MORE ON THIS STORY.

Reporter: ADAM BRANDON

SAYS HE KNEW SOMETHING WAS

GOING ON WHEN HE STARTED

GETTING CALLS FROM GROUPS

SEEKING TAX EXEMPT STATUS,

ASKING HIM IF IT IS NORMAL

FOR THE I.R.S. TO INQUIRE

ABOUT WHAT BOOKS THEY'RE

READING.

WHAT THE VICE PRESIDENT OF

FREEDOM WORKS DIDN'T KNOW

WAS THE MAGNITUDE OF THE

SCANDAL.

WHEN A GOVERNMENT DECIDES

TO START TARGETING ITS OWN

CITIZENS, FOR NO OTHER

REASON THAN THEIR POLITICAL

AFFILIATION, WE ALL HAVE

RIGHT TO BE VERY, VERY

SCARED.

Reporter: READING

MATERIALS, NAMES OF DONORS,

SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS, THAT'S

THE TYPE OF INFORMATION THE

I.R.S. WANTED.

SOME GROUPS WERE EVEN ASKED

TO GIVE INFORMATION ABOUT

THEIR PRAYERS.

SPECIFICALLY ASKED FROM

THE I.R.S. TO THE COALITION

FOR THE LIFE OF IOWA,

QUOTE,"PLEASE DETAIL THE

CONTENT OF THE MEMBERS OF

YOUR ORGANIZATION'S

PRAYERS."

WOUL."

WOULD THAT BE AN APPROPRIATE

QUESTION?

THE CONTENT OF ONE'S

PRAYERS.

IT PAINS ME THAT I CAN'T

SPEAK TO THAT --

YOU DON'T KNOW IF THAT

WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE

QUESTION OR NOT?

IT WOULD SURPRISE ME THAT

THAT QUESTION WAS ASKED.

Reporter: ASKING ABOUT

THE CONTENT OF PRAYERS IS

SOMETHING LOIS LEARNER IS

FAMILIAR WITH.

LEARNER LED THE ENFORCEMENT

OFFICE FOR THE FEDERAL

ELECTIONS COMMISSION.

DURING HER TENURE, THE

F.C.C. LED A MAJOR

CONTROVERSIAL INVESTIGATION

OF THE CHRISTIAN COALITION.

TESTIMONY REVEALS THE F.C.C.

ASKED LIEUTENANT COLONEL

OLIVER NORTH WHETHER OR NOT

HE WAS AWARE PAT ROBERTSON

WAS PRAYING FOR HIM.

THE CHRISTIAN COALITION WAS

CLEARED OF ANY WRONG-DOING,

AND LEARNER EVENTUALLY GOT

HER JOB AT THE I.R.S.

NOW SHE HAS BEEN PUT ON

LEAVE, WITH PAY, AS THE

SCANDAL IS IS BEING

INVESTIGATED.

BRANDON SAYS FEAR OF BEING

TARGETED BY THE I.R.S. IS

MAKING SOME CONSERVATIVES

WHO MIGHT GET INVOLVED IN

POLITICS ASK THEMSELVES IF

IT IS WORTH IT.

IF I STAY ACTIVE IN MY

CHURCH, IF I STAY ACTIVE IN

MY TEA PARTY GROUP, AM I

GOING TO BE TARGETED AND

SINGLED OUT?

IT IS VERY INTIMIDATING WHEN

THE GOVERNMENT IS ABLE TO

USE THE POWER OF TAXATION TO

TARGET ITS ADVERSARIES.

Reporter: THE EXECUTIVE

BRANCH APPEARED TO

BE TAKEN

OFF-GUARD BY THE SCANDAL,

EVEN THOUGH THE I.R.S. FALLS

UNDER THE PURVIEW OF

MR. OBAMA'S TREASURY

SECRETARY.

NOW THE BIG QUESTION IS WHO

IS RESPONSIBLE?

WHO ORDERED THE I.R.S. TO

TARGET CONSERVATIVE AND

RELIGIOUS GROUPS.

I KIND OF WOULD SLEEP

BETTER AT NIGHT IF THIS WAS

DIRECTED BY SOMEONE IN THE

WHITE HOUSE OR SOME AGENCY,

BUT I'M ACTUALLY VERY

FEARFUL THIS IS BUREAUCRATS

GONE CRAZY.

I THINK WE'RE JUST STARTING

TO GET INTO WHERE THIS

ORIGINATED, WHO KNEW WHAT,

WHEN, AND I BELIEVE LIKE

WATERGATE, THIS IS PROBABLY

GOING TO BE A SCANDAL THAT

IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO DRIP

AND WE'LL LEARN MORE AS TIME

GOES ON.

Reporter: JENNIFER

WISHON, CBN NEWS,

WASHINGTON.

Pat: JAY SECULO, FROM

THE AMERICAN LAW OF JUSTICE,

IS REPRESENTING MANY OF

THESE GROUPS.

JAY, DID YOU FILE A LAWSUIT

YET?

HERE IT IS, PAT.

IT IS ABOUT AN INCH THICK,

AND THE LAWSUIT IS IS BEING

FILED LITERALLY AS WE SPEAK

IN WASHINGTON, D.C. AGAINST

THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THE

I.R.S., THE TREASURY AS

WELL.

AND LET ME JUST SAY ONE

OTHER THING.

THERE HAS BEEN SOME

QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER THIS

WAS JUST THE CINCINNATI

OFFICES OR WHETHER IT WAS

OTHER OFFICES.

WE'VE RELEASED THIS LETTER

NOW.

PAT, THIS IS A LETTER FROM

THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT

OF THE TREASURY, INTERNAL

INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE,

WASHINGTON, D.C., FROM A TAX

LAW EXEMPT SPECIALIST, A

LAWYER.

AND SO WE'RE REPRESENTING 25

CLIENTS, AND THE LAWSUIT HAS

BEEN FILED, OR FILED

SHORTLY, AND LITIGATION IS

GOING TO START, WHICH NEEDS

TO HAPPEN.

Pat: WHAT IS THE

LITIGATION?

WHAT IS THE GRAPAMAN, IF I

CAN USE THAT TERM?

THERE ARE SEVERAL CAUSES

OF ACTION, OF COURSE FREE

SPEECH AND FREEDOM OF

ASSOCIATION VIOLATIONS, AND

THAT FOCUSING ON THE REQUEST

FOR MEMBERSHIP LIST AND

MEMBER DATA.

AND THEY ASKED NOT JUST WHAT

POSITIONS ARE IMPORTANT TO

YOU AND WHAT ISSUES ARE

IMPORTANT, BUT THEY ACTUALLY

ASK WHAT IS IS YOUR POSITION

WITH REGARD TO THOSE ISSUES,

WHICH THE GOVERNMENT REALLY

HAS NO BUSINESS DOING.

WE DON'T HAVE JUST TEA PARTY

CASES OR JUST CONSERVATIVE

ORGANIZATIONS, ALTHOUGH THE

ORGANIZATIONS SHARE A

CONSERVATIVE PHILOSOPHY, BUT

WE HAVE SOME THAT ARE

EDUCATIONAL GROUPS THAT WERE

TARGETED.

THEY KIND OF PUT IN THIS

DRAG NET BY THE I.R.S.

TARGETING PRACTICE.

AND WE ALSO HAVE A CLAIM FOR

A VIOLATION OF THE

ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURES

ACT.

WE HAVE A CLAIM FOR

DAMAGES.

AND WE ALSO HAVE CLAIMS FOR

VIOLATION OF THE INTERNAL

REVENUE CODE.

WE'VE GOT A TEAM OF LAWYERS

RIGHT NOW AT THE ACLJ, PAT,

THAT ARE PREPARING FREEDOM

OF INFORMATION ACT REQUESTS,

THAT WILL GO OUT TO SEE IF

WE MAY HAVE AN UNLAWFUL OR

INVOLUNTARY DISCLOSURE

ISSUE, WHERE THE I.R.S.

SHARED INFORMATION WITH THE

GOVERNMENT AGENCY OR

INDIVIDUALS THEY WERE NOT

SUPPOSED TO DO.

YOU MAY REMEMBER THIS, MY

FIRST JOB OUT OF LAW SCHOOL

WAS WITH THE INTERNAL

REVENUE SERVICE, AND I WAS A

TRIAL LAWYER.

ONE OF THE THEN YOUNG

LAWYERS, FRIEND OF MINE, WE

HAD OFFICES NEXT TO EACH

OTHER AT TREASURY, HE IS

HANDLING ANOTHER CASE

SIMILAR TO THIS ONE AS

WELL.

WE HAVE FORMER I.R.S.

LAWYERS, FORMER U.S.

ATTORNEYS, WHO ARE PART OF

THIS LEGAL TEAM.

YOU'LL SEE MULTIPLE

LAWSUITS.

THE FIRST ONE WE'VE GOT IS

25 PLAINTIFFS IN THIS ONE.

THERE WILL BE MORE FILED

THIS WEEK.

Pat: JAY, WHEN YOU TALK

ABOUT DAMAGES, WHO HAS BEEN

DAMAGED AND WHY AND HOW MUCH

MONEY IS INVOLVED?

WELL, FOR INSTANCE, WE

HAVE ONE CLIENT THAT HAD A

$30,000 GRANT THAT THEY WERE

AWARDED, SUBJECT TO

OBTAINING THEIR 501 C4

STATUS, AND IT IS STILL

PENDING.

THEY LOST THAT $30,000

GRANT.

MANY OF THESE CLIENTS, PAT,

BEFORE WE GOT INVOLVED, HAD

LEGAL FEES.

SIGNIFICANT TIME.

LOSS OF REVENUE FROM NOT

HAVING THE EXCEPTION,

EXPENSES, AND ATTORNEY

ATTORNEATTORNEYS' FEES.

THIS IS VERY SERIOUS

ALLEGATIONS.

THE GOVERNMENT HAS ADMITTED

THEY VIOLATED THE LAW.

YOU'VE GOT THE F.B.I.

INVESTIGATING THE I.R.S.,

AND THIS IS UNPRECEDENTED,

AND I THINK IT SHOWS THE

SCOPE AND NATURE OF WHAT IS

IS REALLY HAPPENING HERE.

Pat: JAY, LEWI LOIS

LEARNER TOOK THE FIFTH IN

HER TESTIMONY BEFORE

CONGRESS.

AND SHE WAS TRYING TO AVOID

TESTIFYING FROM WHAT?

LYING UNDER OATH.

AND THE ATTORNEY-GENERAL HAS

SOME SERIOUS PROBLEMS RIGHT

NOW AS THAT HAS BEEN

REPORTED IN A LOT OF

SOURCES.

SHE MADE STATEMENTS WHERE

SHE SAID SHE WAS ENGAGED IN

NO WRONG-DOING.

AND SHE DID NOT GIVE

INACCURATE INFORMATION, AND

WE KNOW THAT IS NOT TRUE.

SHE CLAIMED HER INNOCENCE

FIRST, AND TALKING ABOUT HER

PREVIOUS TESTIMONY, AND THEN

CLAIMING THE FIFTH, RAISES

ANOTHER SERIOUS QUESTION, IF

LOIS LEARNER IS ACTUALLY

ABLE TO TAKE THE FIFTH.

I WOULD NOT GIVE HER

IMMUNITY RIGHT AWAY, BUT I

WOULD GIVE IMMUNITY FROM THE

LOWER-LEVEL AGENTS THAT WERE

JUST EXECUTING ORDERS FROM

ABOVE.

FIND OUT EVERYTHING YOU CAN

FROM THEM.

THEN GO TO LOIS LEARNER, AND

GET THE INFORMATION AND FIND

OUT WHO MADE THE DECISION.

LOIS LEARNER IS HIGH UP, BUT

I THINK IT WENT A LOT HIGHER

THAN HER.

Pat: I WAS, AS YOU

KNOW, PRESIDENT OF THE

CHRISTIAN COALITION.

AND THE CHRISTIAN COALITION

WAS SUED BY THE FEDERAL

ELECTION COMMISSION.

IT WAS A HUGE CASE.

IT TOOK YEARS OF DEPOSITIONS

COMING OUT OF THE GAZOO.

AND WHEN IT WAS ALL OVER,

THE F.C.C. LOST

RESOUNDINGLY.

BUT LOIS LEARNER, AT THAT

TIME, WAS HEAD OF

ENFORCEMENT FOR THE FEDERAL

ELECTION COMMISSION.

AND THEY WERE ASKING STUFF

LIKE WHAT WAS THE CONTENT OF

YOUR PRAYERS?

WHOEVER HEARD OF SUCH AN

OUTRAGEOUS THING?

WELL, THE I.R.S. IS IS

DOING THAT RIGHT NOW.

THE QUESTIONNAIRES THAT WENT

OUT INCLUDED THINGS LIKE

PRAYER ACTIVITY, AND DO YOU

PRAYER A PARTICULAR PRAYER?

WE HAD OTHER CLIENTS THAT

WERE ASKED WHAT THE

CURRICULUMS WERE THEY WERE

ENDORSING, AND THE NAMES OF

THE STUDENTS -- MINORS,

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT -- THAT

THEY WERE TEACHING, WHICH

OBVIOUSLY WAS INAPPROPRIATE

QUESTIONS.

THIS ATTACK ON PRAYER IS NOT

SURPRISING.

THIS IS AN AGENT SEE THAT IS

COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTROL.

RIGHT NOW THE I.R.S. IN

PARTICULARLY IS

INSTITUTIONALLY INCAPABLE OF

REGULATING ITSELF.

THEY SAID IT STOPPED IN

MARCH OF LAST YEAR, AND IT'S

NOT TRUE.

WE RECEIVED A LETTER MAY

16th IN OUR OFFICE,

ASKING, AGAIN, THOSE

INTRUSIVE QUESTIONS.

THAT WAS LESS THAN THREE

WEEKS AGO.

AND I HAVE SIGNATURES OF

LETTERS WITH LOIS LEARNER'S

STAMPED SIGNATURE, AND TO

SAY SHE WAS NOT INVOLVED IN

INTRUSIVE QUESTIONS IS NOT

TRUE.

AND I CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHY

THE I.R.S. KEEPS DENYING

THIS OR DOESN'T KNOW THIS

WHEN WE HAVE THE LETTERS.

WE HAVE THE DOCUMENTS.

THEIR AGENTS WROTE THEM TO

US.

15 AGENTS, FOUR DIFFERENT

OFFICES.

Pat: THIS VIOLATES

EVERYTHING WE THINK ABOUT

THE FREEDOM FREEDOMS WE

ENJOY IN THIS COUNTRY.

FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO COME

IN AND SAY, WHAT WERE YOU

PRAYING ABOUT -- THIS IS IS

OU IS OUTRAGEOUS.

IT IS AN OUTRAGE OF MASSIVE

PROPORTIONS.

AND YOU COUPLE THIS WITH ALL

OF THE DENIAL, AND THE

PRESIDENT IS SAYS I REALLY

DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON

OVER THERE.

THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW, THE

DAY AFTER HE FIRES THE HEAD

OF THE ORGANIZATION.

WHAT IS IT?

WELL, HERE IS WHAT YOU'VE

GOT: WE KNOW THAT WHITE

HOUSE COUNCIL AND THE

CHIEF-OF-STAFF AND THE

DEPUTY SECRETARY OF THE

TREASURY, AND ALSO THE

PLEASURE OF THE PRESIDENT,

ESPECIALLY HIS WHITE HOUSE

STAFF, WERE IN CONVERSATIONS

WITH LOIS LEARNER ABOUT HOW

TO GET AHEAD OF THE

INSPECTOR GENERAL'S REPORT.

AND THEY DID THAT FAKE

PLANTED QUESTION.

PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND

THE I.R.S. WENT OUT TO AN

A.B.A. MEETING AND PLANTED A

QUESTION ABOUT CONSERVATIVE

TARGETING TO TRY TO GET

AHEAD OF OF THE INSPECTOR

GENERAL'S REPORT.

THIS IS ABSURD.

AND I THINK THAT -- AND ALSO

THE -- I THINK WHAT YOU'RE

GOING TO SEE HERE, PAT, IS A

COMPLETE OVERHAUL OF THE

AGENCY, WHICH IS LONG

OVERDUE.

I GOT MY START AT THAT

AGENCY, AND I HAVE A LOT OF

RESPECT FOR IT, BUT I WILL

TELL YOU THIS, DISAPPOINTING

IS AN UNDERSTATEMENT.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE IN FEDERAL

COURT WITH AN INCH THICK

COMPLAINT.

Pat: WILL THEY COME

AFTER YOU?

WOULDN'T THAT BE

SOMETHING?

WE HAVE BEEN AUDITED

BEFORE.

I CAN'T IMAGINE -- WE JUST

ACTUALLY WERE AUDITED A FEW

YEARS AGO.

THEY WENT THROUGH

EVERYTHING.

WE GOT A COMPLETE CLEAN BILL

OF HEALTH.

BUT THAT WOULDN'T THAT BE

SOMETHING FOR THE I.R.S. TO

GO AFTER THE LAWYERS THAT

WERE INVOLVED IN BRINGING

THESE CASES FORWARD.

THAT WOULD SHOW SOME KIND OF

EFFORT.

I'LL TELL YOU SOMETHING

ELSE, PAT, AND THIS IS

RECENT IN THE LAST FEW DAYS,

WE HAD A COMPLAINT LETTER

SENT TO ONE OF OUR CLIENTS,

WHERE YOU GO ON LINE AND

FILL OUT AN EIGHT-PAGE

QUESTIONNAIRE, AND THAT CALM

CAME IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS

SCANDAL.

SO I'M ASKING MYSELF, WHAT

IS THIS AGENCY DOING?

PAT, IF THEY WANT TO AUDIT

US AGAIN, GO AHEAD.

BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER

IS THEY JUST DID, AND SPENT

A LOT OF MONEY AUDITING US,

AND WE CAME OUT GREAT, WITH

NOT ONE NICKEL ADJUSTMENT.

THESE ARE SMALL

ORGANIZATIONS, AND WE'LL BE

FILING A LAWSUIT FOR A MUCH

LARGER ONE NEXT WEEK.

THESE ARE ORGANIZATIONS WITH

REVENUE OF LESS THAN

$10,000, SOME OF THEM.

AND TO PUT THEM THROUGH THE

WRING ER LIK ER IS

OUTRAGEOUS.

Pat: JAY, WHAT ABOUT

ERIC HOLDER.

HE APPARENTLY HAS PERJURED

HIMSELF.

DO YOU THINK HE IS GOING

DOWN?

REMEMBER IN "FAST AND

FURIOUS," AND HE SAID THERE

WAS NO GUN-RUNNING, AND NINE

MONTHS LATER HE COMES BACK

AND WRITES THAT LETTER, AND

PULLS IT BACK AND SAYS, I

MADE A MISTAKE.

IF ANYBODY ELSE DID THAT,

YOU WOULD ENT UP IN JAIL.

NOW YOU HAVE THIS

INFORMATION FROM JAMES ROSEN

FROM FOX NEWS BASICALLY THEY

HAVE ACCUSED HIM OF A CRIME,

CO-CONSPIRATOR, AND THE

WARRANTS GOING ON THERE, AND

THAT IS CREATING A HUGE STIR

WITHIN THE MEDIA.

BUT THEN ERIC HOLDER

BASICALLY SAID HE NEVER DID

IT, AND NEVER WOULD DO IT,

AND WE FIND OUT HE DID.

I THINK THE ATTORNEY-GENERAL

IS IN SERIOUS TROUBLE.

AND, FRANKLY, IT IS ABOUT

TIME.

THIS ERIC HOLDER HAS GOTTEN

AWAY WITH RUNNING THIS

DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE INTO

THE GROUND.

I'VE TRAINED U.S. ATTORNEYS

ON PROSECUTIONS FOR THE

JUSTICE DEPARTMENT'S LEGAL

EDUCATION OFFICE.

SO, AGAIN, A LOT OF RESPECT

FOR THE AGENCY.

HOW MUCH LONGER CAN THAT

GO?

ERIC HOLDER NEEDS TO STEP

ASIDE.

Pat: I'M NOT TOO MUCH

IN FAVOR OF THESE SPECIAL

PROSECUTORS BECAUSE THEY

HAVE A LIFE OF THEIR OWN,

BUT HOW ARE YOU GOING TO

INVESTIGATE IT?

THE FOX DOESN'T INVESTIGATE

WHO IS WORKING IN THE HEN

HOUSE?

DARRELL ISSA'S COMMITTEE

IS VERY GOOD.

AND THEY HAVE GOOD

INVESTIGATORS.

I'M NOT KEEN ON THE SPECIAL

PROSECUTOR APPROACH EITHER.

I THINK IT IS GOING TO SLOW

THE PROCESS DOWN.

I THINK BETWEEN THE LAWSUITS

THAT HAVE BEEN FILED, THE

FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT

REQUESTS, WHICH HAVE BEEN

FILED, AND OTHERS THAT WE'RE

DOING ARE COMING, COUPLED

WITH THE CONGRESSIONAL

OVERSIGHT COMMITTEES, WE'LL

GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS.

Pat: THIS COULD BE A

DEATH BY A THOUSAND CUTS.

IT CAN BRING DOWN THE OBAMA

ADMINISTRATION.

IF I WERE OBAMA, I WOULD

FIRE EVERYBODY I COULD AS

QUICK AS I COULD AND GET ON

WITH LIFE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE IS IS

GOING TO DO.

HE DID THAT WITH THE

ACTING COMMISSIONER, MILLER,

BUT HE WAS GOING TO LEAVE A

MONTH LATER ANYWAYS.

THEY TRIED TO GET LOIS

LEARNER TO RESIGN, AND SHE

IS NOW ON ADMINISTRATIVE

LEAVE.

PAT, YOU'RE RIGHT.

AT THE END OF THE DAY -- I

THINK THEY PROBABLY

INSULATED THE PRESIDENT FROM

THIS, BUT HIS WHITE HOUSE

COUNSEL KNEW, AND HIS DEPUTY

SECRETARY KNEW, AND THE

PRESIDENT SAID I KNEW ABOUT

IT FROM READING IN THE

PAPER -- PRETTY AMAZING

STATEMENT.

Pat: JAY, KEEP IT UP.

IT IS A CAN OF WORMS.

JAY SECULO, GOD BLESS YOU.

YOU'RE RIGHT.

THANKS, PAT.

Pat: SOMETHING GOOD MAY

MAY END UP COMING OUT OF THE

I.R.S. SCANDAL.

HERE IS LEE.

Lee: SOME IN CONGRESS

ARE HOPING

THAT THE

ATTENTION WILL LEAD TO MORE

PUBLIC

AND

POLITICAL SUPPORT

NOW TO SIMPLIFY A

COMPLICATED AND BURDENSOME

TAX CODE.

IT HAS GONE THROUGH ABOUT

5,000 CHANGES IN JUST THE

PAST DOZEN YEARS ALONE.

THE CURRENT I.R.S. SCANDAL

PROVES THAT THE COMPLEX TAX

CODE GIVES THE AGENCY TOO

MUCH POWER TO INTERPRET AND

ENFORCE THE LAW.

THEY SAY SIMPLIFYING IT

WOULD CUT THE I.R.S.'S

POWER.

DAVID CAMP IS THE CHAIRMAN

OF THE HOUSE WAYS AND MEANS

COMMITTEE, WHICH WRITES TAX

BILLS, AND HE HAS A

COMPELLING PHRASE FOR THE

CURRENT TAX CODE.

HE CALLS IT "10 TIMES THE

SIZE OF THE BIBLE WITH NONE

OF THE GOOD NEWS."

CONSERVATIVE CONGRESSWOMAN

MICHELLE BAKMAN HAS SAID SHE

WON'T RUN FOR A THIRD TERM.

SHE ANNOUNCED HER DECISION

ON YouTube.

SHE SAID IT WASN'T BASED ON

CONCERNS ABOUT A TOUGH

RE-ELECTION CAMPAIGN, OR

ABOUT INQUIRIES INTO

FINANCIAL COMPAIGNS.

INSTEAD, SHE SAYS EIGHT

YEARS IS LONG ENOUGH TO

SERVE IN THE HOUSE OF

REPRESENTATIVES.

SHE ONCE TOLD CBN NEWS THAT

HER GREATEST DESIRE IS TO

PLEASE GOD.

ANOTHER ROUND OF THE LEGAL

LEGALITY OF THE BIBLE

BANNERS.

THE JUDGE HAD RULED THAT

THEY ARE NOT FORBIDDEN BY

THE U.S. CONSTITUTION.

BUT THE COONST SCHOOL

DISTRICT IS APPEALING THAT

DECISION.

THEY WANT TO KNOW IF THE

CHEERLEADERS HAVE A RIGHT TO

HAVE THE BIBLE MESSAGES ON

THEIR BANNERS.

THE RELIGIOUS LEADERS IN NEW

YORK CITY SCORED A POLITICAL

VICTORY IN THEIR ONGOING

FIGHT TO HOLD WORSHIP

SERVICES INSIDE CITY

BUILDINGS.

THE CITY COUNCIL PASSED A

RESLATION, ENCOURAGING THE

STATE LEGISLATURE TO TAKE A

VOTE TO ALLOW FAITH-BASED

INSTITUTIONS TO RENT SPACE.

THE COUNCIL PASSED THE

MEASURE WITH A VOTE OF 38 TO

11.

THE PASTOR LEADING THE FIGHT

SAID WE LOVE OUR CITY, WE

LOVE OUR MAYOR AND

CHANCELLOR, AND WE LOVE

THOSE WHO HAVE OPPOSED US.

WE NOW LOOK TO ALBANY FOR

THE NEXT STEP, ALBANY A

REFERRAL TO THE STATE

CAPITAL IN NEW YORK.

FREEDOM TO WORK LEGISLATION

PASSED IN THE STATE SENATE

THERE LAST YEAR, BUT IT HAS

BEEN HELD UP, PAT, IN THE

STATE ASSEMBLY.

Pat: WE'VE HAD CASES

FROM THE AMERICAN CENTER OF

LAW AND JUSTICE, THE FIRST A

LONG TIME AGO, WAS MERGAN'S

VERSUS THE INDEPENDENT

SCHOOL DISTRICT, WHICH WAS

STARTED BY THE LEGAL

FOUNDATION SYSTEM, WHICH

LATER BECAME THE AMERICAN

CENTER FOR LAW AND JUSTICE,

AND JAY SECULO WON THAT CASE

7 TO 2, SAYING THAT STUDENTS

DID NOT LOSE THEIR

CITIZENSHIP RIGHTS WHEN THEY

ENTERED THE SCHOOLHOUSE

DOORS, AND THERE WAS NO

CONSTITUTIONAL REQUIREMENT

OR RESTRICTION PERMITTED ON

THE EXPRESSION OF FAITH BY

STUDENTS.

SO THAT IS THE ONE HAVING TO

DO WITH BANNERS.

AND THEN WE HAD ANOTHER ONE

CALLED LAMB'S CHAPEL VERSUS

THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, WHICH

JAY HAD LITIGATED AND WON

AND IT WAS TOUGH BECAUSE THE

SECOND CIRCUIT WAS ALL

AGAINST HIM, AND THEY KEPT

BEATING HIM DOWN.

THEY WOULD RULE AGAINST US

AND WE WOULD GO TO THE

SUPREME COURT AND WIN.

BUT, NONETHELESS, THAT WAS

ONE THAT SAID IF THEY'RE

GOING TO HAVE A FORUM FOR

OTHER GROUPS, THEY HAD TO

ACCOMMODATE RELIGIOUS GROUPS

AS WELL.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS SUIT

IS ALL ABOUT NOW.

THEY'RE ASKING ALBANY TO

MAKE A DECLARATION, BUT

GRADUATIONS TO THE BOARD OF

SUPERVISORS OF THE CITY FOR

WHAT THEY HAVE HAD TO SAY.

KRISTI, IT IS AN INTERESTING

DAY IN THE LAWSUITS.

I KNOW YOU'RE JUST THRILLED

WITH ALL OF THESE LEGAL

DISCUSSIONS.

Kristi: ALWAYS.

BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I AM

THRILLED ABOUT IS OUR STORY

THAT IS COMING UP.

IT KIND OF PI PIGGYBACKS

ABOUT CHURCHES AND SCHOOLS.

IT IS A RARE SIGHT AT A

SCHOOL, A BIBLE STUDY ON

CAMPUS.

FIND OUT WHY IT IS SO

POPULAR, UP NEXT.

Pat: IMAGINE A BIBLE

CLUB -- A BIBLE CLUB -- IN A

PUBLIC SCHOOL THAT IS SO

POPULAR MORE THAN HALF THE

STUDENTS ATTEND ITS

MEETINGS.

CBN NEWS FIRST REPORTED ON

THIS AMAZING STORY TAKING

PLACE IN PENNSYLVANIA.

THAT WAS TWO YEARS AGO, WE

TOLD YOU ABOUT IT.

AS PAUL STRAND TELLS US, THE

IMPACT OF THAT BIBLE CLUB

HAS REACHED AROUND THE

WORLD.

Reporter: EACH MONDAY

IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SCHOOL

DAY, MORE THAN HALF OF

REDBANK VALLEY HIGH'S 600

STUDENTS HEAD TO BIBLE

CLUB.

THAT MAKES IT THE LARGEST OF

ITS KIND IN THE WORLD.

THEY PUT ON AN ANNUAL OPEN

HOUSE IN NEW BETHLEHEM,

WHICH SHOWS THEIR BOISTEROUS

WORSHIPMENT IWORSHIP.

THESE STUDENTS CARRY THEIR

BIBLES IN THE HALLWAYS,

OPENLY SHARE THE GOSPEL, AND

NOW THEY'RE INSPIRING KIDS

AROUND THE COUNTRY AND

BEYOND.

CBN NEWS FIRST COVERED RED

BANK'S CLUB TWO YEARS AGO

AFTER A STUDENT SENT A

VIDEO.

WE MADE THAT VIDEO, AND

WE'VE GOT ALL KINDS OF

RESPONSES FROM THAT.

Reporter: THE BIBLE

CLUB PRESIDENT IS SAYS IT

KICKED OFF A CATTLECADE OF

INQUIRIES.

THAT HAS SPARKED INTEREST

ALL OVER THE WORLD, REALLY.

Reporter: THEY EVEN HAD

TO ELECT THEIR OWN PUBLIC

RELATIONS OFFICER TO HANDLE

IT ALL.

WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF OUT

REACH PROJECTS, AS WELL AS

PEOPLE CONTACTING US TO SEE

HOW THINGS ARE DONE.

Reporter: MAGGIE'S

TESTIMONY IS THAT SHE IS 14

YEARS OLD, AND SHE LED 4,000

STUDENTS TO ACCEPT CHRIST.

ACCEPTING CHRIST IN FRONT

OF ALL OF THEIR PEERS DURING

THE SCHOOL DAY, THAT DOESN'T

HAPPEN ANYWHERE ELSE.

I'M SITTING THERE

COUNTING, AND I'M, LIKE, OH,

MY GOSH, 48 KIDS, AND THERE

COULD HAVE BEEN MORE.

AFTER WE WERE ON "700

CLUB," A CLUB FROM

CALIFORNIA, ROSAMAN HIGH

SCHOOL, THEIR BIBLE CLUB,

GOT IN TOUCH WITH US, AND

SAID THEY SAW OUR

INTERVIEW.

Reporter: AND THEN THE

ROSAMAN STUDENTS SHARED THEY

NEEDED 25 BIBLES, AND THAT'S

EXACTLY WHAT THE RED BANK

STUDENTS PRAYED FOR.

NOT EVEN A WEEK LATER,

SOMEONE DROPPED OFF 25

BIBLES.

Reporter: THE OWNER HAD

NO IDEA HE WAS FULFILLING TO

A "T" THE PRAYER FOR 25

BIBLES.

HE SAYS THEY WERE JUST

LAYING AROUND HIS OFFICE.

THAT'S DEFINITELY A GOD

THING.

Reporter: AFTER HEARING

ABOUT RED BANK'S BIBLE CLUB,

THE DEAN BEGAN TO SPREAD THE

WORD.

PART OF MY EXCITEMENT IS

TO SHARE WHAT IS HAPPENING

HERE WITH OTHER CLUBS AND

SAYING LOOK WHAT GOD CAN DO

IN YOUR SCHOOL.

Reporter: DEAN SHARED

THE STORY ON HIS WEBSITE,

9MONTHCHRISTIANSCHOOL.COM.

GOD HAS PUT THEM THERE

FOR A PURPOSE AND A REASON,

AND GOD WANTS TO USE THEM TO

SHARE THEIR LOVE WITH

FRIENDS.

Reporter: AN

ADMINISTRATION THAT WANTS TO

HELP WITH A NETWORK OF 30 OR

40 BIBLE CLUBS THROUGHOUT

NEW YORK CITY SCHOOLS, SENT

REPRESENTATIVES TO REDBANK.

THEY CAME TO US FOR

HELP.

Reporter: AND THE

REDBANKERS HAVE BECOME

MISSIONARIES IN THEIR OWN

WAY.

WE WENT TO A YOUTH

CONVENTION IN DENVER AND DID

A PROGRAM THERE.

Reporter: THE CLUB'S

ADVISOR EVANGELIZES

EVERYONE.

Reporter: THEY WANT TO

SET STUDENTS ON FIRE FOR

GOD, AND LET THEM KNOW IT IS

COMPLETELY CONSTITUTIONAL TO

LIVE OUT THEIR FAITH

ANYWHERE.

THERE IS NO LAW THAT SAYS

KIDS CAN'T CARRY A BIBLE IN

SCHOOL, PRAY IN SCHOOL, AND

READ IN SCHOOL.

NOTHING LIKE THAT.

GOD IS COOL.

GOD IS AWESOME.

Reporter: MANY

AMERICANS MAY THINK THAT THE

SUPREME COURT THREW PRAYER

AND BIBLES OUT OF SCHOOLS IN

THE 1980s, BUT THE KIDS

HERE ARE SHOWING THAT AS

LONG AS YOU'RE A STUDENT,

YOU CAN HAVE AS MUCH PRAYER,

BIBLE, AND GOD IN YOUR

SCHOOL AS YOU WANT.

AND IT CAN BE COOL.

PAUL STRAND FROM CBN NEWS,

REPORTING FROM REDBANK HIGH

SCHOOL.

Pat: FANTASTIC.

THIS GENERATION MAY BE THE

HOPE OF THE WORLD.

Kristi: I LOVE THAT,

PAT.

I WAS JUST WATCHING GOOD

MORNING AMERICA, AND THEY

WERE TELLING OF A STORY OF A

YOUNG TEEN HAD WAS GOING TO

GO INTO HIS HIGH SCHOOL AND

DOES A COLUMBINE.

SO OFTEN THAT'S WHAT WE HEAR

ABOUT.

BUT ISN'T IT

WONDERFUL THAT

ON CBN WE HEAR ABOUT HOPE

AND A COLLECTION OF STUDENTS

THAT ARE PRAISING GOD.

COMING UP, AN AMAZING ANSWER

TO PRAYER.

THE STORY OF A BEAUTIFUL

WOMAN WITH A DEADLY

DIAGNOSIS.

HEAR HOW A PROMISE KEPT THIS

WIFE AND MOTHER ALIVE, AND

ASTONISHED HER DOCTORS.

PLUS WE'RE GOING TO BE

PRAYING FOR YOU AND YOUR

NEEDS.

SO WHATEVER YOU DO, DON'T GO

AWAY.

.

*

Pat: DOES THIS SOUND

FAMILIAR, VERA KIRKPATRICK

IS LIKE A LOT OF US, SHE

HADN'T BEEN TO SEE HER

DOCTOR IN SIX YEARS.

AND VERA FELT GREAT, UNTIL A

ROUTINE BLOOD TEST REVEALED

THAT SHE HAD A TICKING TIME

BOMB INSIDE OF HER, ONE THAT

WAS THREATENING TO KILL HER

IN TWO WEEKS.

COMING FROM A BACKGROUND

OF A BROKEN HOME, A

FATHERLESS HOME, AND WE WERE

POOR.

THERE WERE SIX KIDS.

WE HAD NOTHING.

SO MY WHOLE IDEA WAS IF I'M

SUCCESSFUL AND I HAVE

FINANCES, THEN PEOPLE WON'T

LOOK AT ME AS A POOR

ORPHAN.

THEY'LL SEE MY SUCCESS.

Reporter: VERA

KIRKPATRICK MADE A NAME FOR

HERSELF SELLING ART.

BY HER MID-20s, SHE WAS

THE SUCCESSFUL WOMAN SHE

ALWAYS DREAMED OF BECOMING.

I WANTED TO CREATE MY OWN

RULES, MY OWN WORLD, YOU

KNOW.

Reporter: VERA MET JOHN

KIRKPATRICK AND THEY

MARRIED.

JOHN'S FAITH IN GOD WAS

STRONG, AND HE TRIED TO

SHARE IT WITH HIS WIFE.

I FOUND SOMEONE THAT WAS

REALLY INTO ME, THAT LOVED

ME, THAT WOULD DO ANYTHING

FOR ME.

Reporter: VERA AND JOHN

MOVED TO HAWAII AND INVESTED

IN TWO ART GALLERIES.

TOGETHER THEY BECAME EVEN

MORE SUCCESSFUL.

BUT VERA FELT THE EMPTINESS

THAT HAD HAUNTED HER

CHILDHOOD.

SHE DECIDED JOHN WAS THE

PROBLEM.

JOHN ENDED UP PUTTING ME

ON A PEDESTAL.

AND THAT WAS GOOD FOR A

WHILE, BUT THEN I GOT TIRED

OF THAT.

Reporter: JOHN COULDN'T

UNDERSTAND WHY VERA DIDN'T

APPRECIATE HIS ATTENTION.

WELL, I THOUGHT SHE WAS

WRONG.

YOU KNOW, I KNEW THAT SHE

NEEDED ME AND WHAT I COULD

PROVIDE WAS VALUABLE.

Reporter: VERA SAW IT

AS CONTROL.

I DIDN'T WANT TO BE

MOLDED AND SHAPED.

I'M THE POWERFUL PERSON, NOT

WE, BUT ME.

Reporter: THE YEARS

PASSED, THE MARRIAGE

SUFFERED.

EVEN AS THEY RAISED THREE

CHILDREN, VERA THOUGHT ABOUT

LEAVING JOHN.

BUT BY THE SUMMER OF 2009,

VERA WOULD NEED JOHN MORE

THAN EVER.

HER ROUTINE PHYSICAL

REVEALED TROUBLING NEWS.

YOU KNOW, YOU HAVEN'T

BEEN HERE IN SIX YEARS.

I'M GOING TO DO A ROUTINE

BLOOD TEST.

Reporter: VERA WAS

NEVER SICK AND WORKED OUT

TWICE A DAY.

SHE SAYS THE RESULTS OF HER

BLOOD WORK WERE LIKE A PUNCH

IN THE STOMACH.

I'VE GOT SOME BAD NEWS.

AND I SAYS, WHAT'S THE BAD

NEWS?

AND HE SAYS, I THINK YOU

HAVE LEUKEMIA.

AND I'M, LIKE, WHAT'S

LEUKEMIA.

I'M THINKING FOR A MINUTE,

AND I'M, LIKE, WAIT, IS THAT

A CANCER?

AND HE GOES YEAH.

AND HE SAYS WHAT'S WORSE, I

THINK YOU HAVE ABOUT TWO

WEEKS TO LIVE.

Reporter: SHE WANTED A

SECOND OPINION, SO

ONCOLOGIST ANTHONY DESALVA

WAS CALLED IN.

HE CONFIRMED THE RESULTS.

ACUTE LEUKEMIA, IN THE

ABSENCE OF URGENT TREATMENT

IS RAPIDLY FATAL.

IT IS TYPICALLY WITHIN WEEKS

WITHOUT TREATMENT, YOU WILL

DIE.

Reporter: VERA NEEDED

MORE THAN SUCCESS NOW.

SHE NEEDED GOD.

SHE HAD ATTENDED CHURCH ALL

HER LIFE BUT DIDN'T KNOW IF

GOD WOULD LISTEN.

I'M TELLING YOU AT THAT

MOMENT EVERYTHING JUST FELL

FOR ME.

IT WAS LIKE THE BAGS, THE

CLOTHES, THE MATCHING

PURCHASES AND SHOES -- NONE

OF THAT MATTER.

OKAY, GOD, WAIT A MINUTE.

I'M AT A CROSSROADS HERE.

ARE YOU REAL?

CAN I CALL ON YOU?

ARE YOU ABLE?

ALL THESE STORIES AND ALL OF

THESE THINGS, IS THAT FOR

REAL MY WHOLE LIFE?

ARE YOU MAD AT ME?

WILL YOU EVEN LISTEN TO ME

NOW?

I'VE BEEN DOING EVERYTHING

ON MY OWN TERMS.

THE FIRST THING I DID WAS

REACHED OUT FOR A LIFESAVER,

AND THAT WAS GOD.

SO I WENT BACK TO MY ROOTS.

BECAUSE I WASN'T GOING TO

SAVE MYSELF.

AND, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN PUT

YOUR TRUST IN MEDICINE, BUT

THE ULTIMATE HEALING IS

GOING TO HAVE TO BE GOD.

Reporter: WITHIN TWO

DAYS FAMILY WAS CALLED IN TO

TAKE CARE OF THE CHILDREN.

VERA AND JOHN FLEW TO

SEATTLE, WHERE THEY MET

DR. JOHN HAGEL WITH THE FRED

HUTCHISON CANCER RESEARCH

CENTER.

HIS ASSESSMENT OF VERA'S

DIAGNOSIS, OF ACUTE MYELOID

LEUKEMIA, WASN'T

SURPRISING.

IT WAS ONE OF THE WORST

KINDS OF A.M. L. YOU COULD

HAVE, HIGH RISK.

WE TREATED HER WITH

CHEMOTHERAPIES, SOMETHING WE

RARELY HAVE TRIED EVER IN

OTHER PATIENTS.

WE WEREN'T REALLY SURE IT

WOULD WORK.

BUT WE DID FEEL IT WAS

IMPORTANT FOR HER, GIVEN THE

HIGH-RISK NATURE OF HER

DISEASE.

Reporter: BEFORE THE

TREATMENTS BEGAN, JOHN

BELIEVED GOD GAVE THEM A

PROMISE.

WHEN THE DOCTORS COME IN,

THEY HAVE TO TELL YOU ALL OF

THE WORST-CASE SCENARIOS.

IT IS LIKE WHATEVER THEY

SAID, IT DIDN'T MATTER

BECAUSE GOD SAID SHE IS

GOING TO LIVE, AND SHE'S

GOING TO LIVE.

THIS SCRIPTURE, JEREMIAH

29: 11: "FOR I KNOW THE

PLANS I HAVE FOR YOU, NOT TO

HURT YOU OR TO HARM YOU, BUT

TO GIVE YOU A HOPE AND A

FUTURE."

I TOOK THAT LITERALLY.

Reporter: FOR MONTHS,

VERA SUFFERED THROUGH

AGONIZING CHEMOTHERAPY

TREATMENTS.

JOHN STAYED BY HER SIDE AND

BELIEVED GOD FOR HER

HEALING.

THEIR CHILDREN FLEW TO

SEATTLE TO SPEND TIME WITH

HER.

BUT THE DAYS GREW DARKER AND

DARKER.

I WAS JUST OVERWHELMED.

AND IN MY POCKET, I DON'T

KNOW IF I HEARD SOMETHING OR

WHATEVER, BUT I REACHED IN

MY POCKET AND GOT MY PHONE

OUT, AND THEY'RE LIO, LIKE,

THIS IS THE CBN PRAYER

LINE.

Reporter: JOHN AND VERA

RELIED ON THE CBN PRAYER

LINE FOR SUPPORT.

BUT FOR A STAFF MEMBER TO

CALL THEM AND KNOW THEIR

NEED AMAZED JOHN.

I WAS, LIKE, WOW GOD, YOU

KNEW AT THE EXACT MOMENT.

Reporter: THEY REJOICED

WHEN VERA WENT INTO

REMISSION, BUT HER BATTLE

FOR LIFE WAS FAR FROM OVER.

I THINK THE ODDS OF

LONG-TERM SUCCESS WERE ZERO

WITHOUT THE STEM CELL

TRANSPLANT.

Reporter: THE SEARCH

FOR A DONOR WENT WORLDWIDE.

DAYS PASSED AND VERA

WAITED.

THE WHOLE TIME, YOU'RE

JUST GOING, IF I CAN GET

THROUGH THIS.

IF I CAN GET THROUGH THIS

AND GET THE TRANSPLANT, I'M

GOING TO LIVE.

SO YOU JUST GO INTO SURVIVAL

MODE.

Reporter: FINALLY A

DONOR WAS FOUND.

SO WE HAD TO USE AN

ALTERNATIVE DONOR THAT

WASN'T COMPLETELY A MATCH,

AND THAT WAS ALSO VERY

HIGH-RISK AND VERY

CHALLENGING.

Reporter: THE SAME

MONTH VERA WAS DIAGNOSED

WITH LEUKEMIA, A MAN NAMED

DIMITRI WAS DONATING.

21 DAYS AFTER, VERA LEFT THE

CAMPUS.

I PERSONALLY THINK GOD

HAD HIS WONDERFUL HANDS ALL

OVER VERA, NO QUESTION ABOUT

IT.

YOU COULD SEE IT EVERY

SINGLE DAY WHEN YOU SAW

HER.

Reporter: AFTER SEVEN

MONTHS, VER VERA FINALLY

RETURNED HOME TO HAWAII.

DR. ANTHONY DESALVA TOOK

OVER HER CARE.

IT IS AMAZING.

I'VE SENT MANY PEOPLE FOR

TRANSPLANTS, AND I'VE NEVER

SEEN ANYBODY LIKE VERA.

I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYBODY

RECOVER SO QUICKLY AND SO

PROFOUNDING.

Reporter: JOHN AND VERA

SAY THE PROMISE GOD GAVE

THEM CAME TO PASS.

I THINK THE MESSAGE TO ME

IS IF GOD GIVES YOU A

PROMISE, TRUST IN THAT

PROMISES, BECAUSE IT WILL

COME TO PASS.

NO MATTER WHAT THE

CIRCUMSTANCES SAY, TRUST

WHAT GOD HAS SPOKEN TO YOU.

IT IS A BEAUTIFUL LOVE

AFFAIR WITH GOD THAT I NOW

HAVE.

AND HE MENDED MY BROKEN

HEART.

HE FIXED MY MARRIAGE.

AND HE BRINGS PEACE AND JOY

TO MY HOME, TO MY STORES, MY

GALLERIES, AND HE HAS

RADICALLY CHANGED THE

CHILDREN'S HEARTS THROUGH

GOD.

AND EVEN MY LITTLE

9-YEAR-OLD, YOU KNOW, JESUS

HEALED MY MOMMY'S BLOOD, AND

HE DID.

THIS JOURNEY CONTINUES.

IT'S ALL UPWARD AND ONWARD.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT GOD

HAS IN STORE, BUT I'M PRETTY

SURE IT'S A GOOD THING.

PRETTY SURE IT'S A GOOD

THING.

Pat: TRIUMPH, LADIES

AND GENTLEMEN.

VICTORY.

VICTORY IN THE LORD.

WE GO FROM VICTORY UNTO

VICTORY, FROM TRIUMPH UNTO

TRIUMPH.

WHAT A STORY.

BUT, WE'VE GOT SOME ANSWERS

TO PRAYER, AND WE WANT TO

PRAY FOR YOU.

HERE IS SOMEBODY NAMED

ANGELA.

SHE LIVES IN CARLISLE,

PENNSYLVANIA.

SHE WAS DIAGNOSED WITH

SCOLIOSIS.

X-RAYS SHOWED THE CONDITION

WAS QUITE SEVERE.

SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS A

BRIEF RIDE IN A CAR WOULD

CAUSE PAIN TO ANGELA.

ONE DAY WHILE SHE WAS

WATCHING, SHE HEARD KRISTI

GIVE A WORD.

YOU DON'T KNOW ANGELA, DO

YOU?

I DON'T, BUT GOD DOES.

Pat: ANGELA CLAIMED THE

WORD, AND SHE FELT SOMETHING

SNAP INTO PLACE, AND THE

PAIN DISAPPEARED, AND SHE

HASN'T HAD ANY PROBLEM IS

SINCE, AND I GUESS HER SPINE

IS STRAIGHTENED OUT.

Kristi: AND HERE IS

ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF GOD'S

FAITHFULNESS.

ANN FROM OKLAHOMA WAS BORN

WITH A GOYTER IN HER NECK.

AND SHE HAD NODULES THAT

WERE AFFECTING HER ABILITY

TO SWALLOW.

SHE WAS SCHEDULED FOR

SURGERY.

ONE DAY BEFORE SHE HAD

SURGERY AND WAS WATCHING

"THE 700 CLUB," PAT, YOU

GAVE A WORD OF KNOWLEDGE,

AND YOU SAID SOMEBODY WITH A

RESTRICTION IN YOUR THROAT,

YOU'RE BEING HEALED.

ANN CLAIMED THAT, AND SHE

FELT A WARMING IN HER NECK.

SHE WENT BACK TO HER DOCTOR

FOR MORE TESTS, AND THEY

SHOWED THAT THE NODULES WERE

GONE.

AND THE TECHNICIAN SAID, YOU

NEED CHEMO TO DO THAT.

BUT THE SURGERY WAS

CANCELLED, AND ANN HAS NOT

HAD ANY THROAT PROBLEMS EVER

SINCE.

Pat: NO CHEMO.

Kristi: COME ON,

RIGHT.

Pat: WE'RE GOING TO

JOIN HANDS RIGHT NOW.

FATHER, WE HOLD BEFORE YOU

THE NEEDS OF THE PEOPLE.

LORD, THERE IS SUFFERING ALL

OVER THIS WORLD.

THERE IS SUFFERING OF PEOPLE

IN THIS AUDIENCE.

BUT, GOD, YOU'RE THE GOD WHO

CREATED US.

YOU ARE THE CREATOR OF THE

WORLD AND EVERYTHING THAT IS

IN IT.

AND WE ACKNOWLEDGE YOU,

LORD, AS THE GOD AND AUTHOR

OF LIFE.

TOUCH LIVES, WE PRAY TODAY,

AND BRING HEALING, BRING

BLESSING, BRING FINANCIAL

STABILITY, WHATEVER THEY

NEED, IN JESUS' NAME.

KRISTI.

Kristi: I HEAR A PERSON

RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE SITTING ON

THE COUCH AND YOU'RE SAYING,

I WANT TO KNOW THAT GOD.

THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO

KNOW GOD AS YOUR LORD AND

SAVIOR.

THE BIBLE SAYS IF YOU

CONFESS WITH YOUR MOUTH AND

BELIEVE IN YOUR HEART THAT

JESUS IS LORD, THAT YOU WILL

BE SAVED AND YOU CAN AND

WILL KNOW HIM.

SO DO THAT RIGHT NOW.

CONFESS THAT JESUS IS LORD,

THAT HE IS YOUR SAVIOR, AND

YOU ARE SAVED.

THERE IS ANOTHER PERSON OUT

THERE, AND THERE IS A WEIGHT

OVER YOUR SHOULDERS, AND YOU

JUST FEEL SO HEAVY.

IT IS A PHYSICAL BURDEN,

EVEN THOUGH IT IS REALLY A

SPIRITUAL BURDEN.

GOD IS IS LIFTING THAT AF

OFF OF YOU RIGHT NOW AND GOD

WILL GIVE YOU HEALING AND

DIRECTION OF WHAT YOU NEED

TO DO.

Pat: SOMEBODY HAS A

STRAIN IN THE MUSCLE IN YOUR

NECK.

PUT YOUR HAND ON YOUR NECK,

AND GOD HAS JUST HEALED YOU

NOW IN THE NAME OF JESUS.

THERE IS A TONGUE THAT IS

SWELLED, AND THERE ARE SOME

BROKEN OUT PLACES IN IT, AND

THE SWELLING IS GOING DOWN.

YOU'RE GOING TO BE

COMPLETELY HEALED.

SOMEBODY WITH SENIORS

SERIOUS ALLERGIES, AND GOD

HAS JUST TOUCHED YOU.

AND THE SWELLING WILL GO

DOWN, AND YOUR BODY IS

FUNCTIONING AS IT SHOULD, IN

THE NAME OF JESUS.

Kristi: THERE IS A

GENTLEMAN, YOU WERE DOING

HOUSEWORK OVER THE WEEKEND

AND LITERALLY FELL OFF OF A

LADDER, AND YOU DISLOCATED

YOUR SHOULDER.

NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO IT IS

JUST IN EXCRUCIATING PAIN.

PUT YOUR OTHER HAND ON IT.

AS YOU DO, YOU'LL FEEL A POP

AND HEALING SENSATION, AND

THE LORD IS HEALING YOU

RIGHT NOW.

WHAT YOU COULD NOT DO, YOU

DO IT NOW IN THE MIGHTY NAME

OF JESUS CHRIST.

Pat: THANK YOU, JESUS.

PRAISE GOD.

Kristi: PRAISE GOD.

Pat: FOLKS, YOU CALL

US.

ANY PRAYER YOU NEED, WE'RE

HERE FOR YOU.

IT'S 1-800-759-0700.

WE'RE HERE BECAUSE WE LOVE

THE LORD AND WE LOVE YOU.

KRISTI?

Kristi: FANTASTIC.

UP NEXT, HE IS THE MAN WITH

THE MIDAS TOUCH.

A PERSON WHO HAS RESCUED

SEVERAL COMPANIES FROM

MULTI-MILLION DEBT.

YOU'RE GOING TO GET A SECRET

IN HOW IT CAN WORK FOR YOU.

UP NEXT.

AND WELCOME BACK TO "THE

700 CLUB."

EXTREME WEATHER CONTINUES TO

SWEEP ACROSS AMERICA WITH

OTHER BATCH OF SEVERE STORMS

ON TAP TODAY.

THERE WERE AT LEAST 20

REPORTS OF TORNADOES

OVERNIGHT FROM TEXAS TO

MICHIGAN.

IN KANSAS, A MASSIVE TWISTER

DEMOLISHED BUILDINGS AND

SENT FARM EQUIPMENT FLYING

LIKE TOYS.

HOMES WERE DESTROYED, AND

TREES SNAPPED IN HALF IN

FLINT, MICHIGAN.

MEANWHILE, RAIN CONTINUES TO

CAUSE FLOODING IN MICHIGAN,

AND HIGH WINDS ARE FUELING

BRUSHFIRES IN CALIFORNIA.

THE SUPREME COURT IS

REFUSING TO HEAR A CASE THAT

COULD CUT SOME FUNDING FOR

PLANNED PARENTHOOD IN THE

TATE OSTATE OF IND IND. INDIANA.

THE SEVENTH CIRCUIT COURT OF

APPEALS BLOCKED THE MEASURE,

THOUGH, FROM GOING INTO

EFFECT, AND THE SUPREME

COURT LET THAT DECISION

STAND.

YOU CAN ALWAYS GET THE

LATEST FROM CBN NEWS BY

GOING TO OUR WEBSITE AT CBN

CBNNEWS.COM.

PAT AND CRIS T KRISTI WILL

BE BACK WITH MORE OF "THE

700 CLUB" AFTER THIS.

Lee: THURSDAY, THE

SURPRISING NEW SUPER FOOD

THAT WILL HELP YOU LOSE

WEIGHT AND FEEL GREAT.

IT WAS DESCRIBED BY ONE

MAGAZINE AT MINI LAP BAND

SURGERY.

Lee: AND THEN, KING

DAVID, MAN OR MYTH?

HERE THE GROUNDBREAKING

EVIDENCE ABOUT ISRAEL'S

GREATEST MONARCH.

WE KNOW THERE WAS A GUY

CALLED DAVID.

Lee: THURSDAY ON "THE

700 CLUB."

*

Pat: YOU'RE WATCHING

"THE 700 CLUB," AND WE'RE

VERY HAPPY TO HAVE YOU WITH

US.

MARK RUTLAND IS A QUOTE

MR. FIX IT FOR THE BUSINESS

WORLD.

FIRST HE FIXED A MEGA CHURCH

THAT WAS LOSING MONEY AND

MEMBERS.

THEN HE RESCUED A SCHOOL

THAT WAS STRUGGLING TO MAKE

ENDS MEET.

A FEW YEARS AGO, MARK FACED

HIS BIGGEST CHALLENGE YET,

SAVING THE BIG ORAL ROBERTS

UNIVERSITY.

Reporter: WHEN MARK

TOOK A JOB AS PRESIDENT OF

ORAL ROBERT'S UNIVERSITY, IT

WAS MORE THAN $55 MILLION IN

DEBT.

IT WAS ON THE URGE OF

SHUTTING DOWN.

NOW A FEW YEARS LATER, THE

UNIVERSITY IS COMPLETELY OUT

OF DEBT.

ENROLLMENT IS UP, AND THE

SCHOOL IS THRIVING ONCE

AGAIN.

O.R. U. WAS THE THIRD

ORGANIZATION DR. RUTLAND

SAVED FROM DISASTER OVER THE

PAST 25 YEARS.

NOW HE SHARES HIS SECRETS OF

TURNAROUND LEADERSHIP IN HIS

NEW BOOK "RELAUNCH, HOW TO

STAGE AN ORGANIZATIONAL COMEBACK."

Pat: MARK RUTLAND IS

HERE WITH US, AND HIS BOOK

I IS SOLD AROUND THE

NATION.

LET'S JUST INTRODUCE OUR

GUEST.

MARK, GREAT TO HAVE YOU

HERE.

GREAT TO BE BACK.

Pat: YOU TOOK ON A $

$55 MILLION DEBT, THE

BUILDINGS WERE IN BAD

CONDITION, THE ENROLLMENT

WAS FALLING -- HOW COME YOU

DO THAT?

DO YOU HAVE A DEATH WISH OR

SOMETHING?

I ASKED MY WIFE TO CHECK

TO SEE IF THERE WAS A SIGN

ON MY BACK THAT I HAD NEVER

SEEN.

NO.

IT WAS EXCITING.

IT WAS A GREAT CHALLENGE.

AND, OF COURSE, WE HAD THIS

WONDERFUL FAMILY THAT

STEPPED IN.

THE GREEN FAMILY.

NONE OF IT WOULD HAVE BEEN

POSSIBLE WITHOUT THEM.

Pat: THE HOBBY LOBBY

PEOPLE?

THE HOBBY LOBBY PEOPLE.

THEIR HELP WAS ABSOLUTELY

INDISPENSABLE IN THE

PROCESS.

REALLY WHAT THEY NEEDED WAS

LEADERSHIP.

AND THE CULTURE OF THE

UNIVERSITY HAD BEGUN TO

ERODE.

AND SO WHAT THEY NEEDED WAS

MANAGEMENT, LEADERSHIP, AND

CULTURE.

AND IT SEEMED LIKE THE RIGHT

CHALLENGE.

I WAS 61 WHEN I WENT THERE,

WHICH I FELT YOUNG, AND I

STILL DO.

Pat: WELL, YOU LOOK

YOUNG, BUT I'M SURE THAT

AGED YOU SUBSTANTIALLY.

WELL, AN ADVENTURE IS

FUN, THOUGH.

Pat: SURE IT IS.

THEY'D GONE THROUGH WITH

RICHARD, AND THEY FIRED

HIM.

DID YOU GET A NEW BOARD FOR

THE SCHOOL AS WELL?

YES, A TOTALLY NEW

BOARD.

AND I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT

THE TWO THINGS THAT

CONCERNED ME THE MOST.

IT TURNED OUT TO BE THE

GREATEST BLESSING.

I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE

STUDENTS.

THEY DIDN'T KNOW ME.

THEY HAD BEEN THROUGH A

LOT.

THEY WERE CHALLENGED IN THE

PRESIDENTIAL TRANSITION.

THE STUDENT BODY EMBRACED

ALLISON AND ME.

IT WAS A WONDERFUL THING.

AND THE SECOND CHALLENGE WAS

THE FACULTY.

THE FACULTY HAD SUED THE

PREVIOUS READ PRESIDENT.

YOU KNOW WHAT CAN HAPPEN.

YOU REMEMBER THE FACULTY AT

HARVARD GOT THE PRESIDENT

FIRED.

AND THAT TURNED OUT TO BE A

LOVE AFFAIR.

I PROBABLY HAD A BETTER

RELATIONSHIP WITH THE

FACULTY AT O.R. U. THAN ANY

FACULTY I KNOW OF.

Pat: WHY DID YOU TAKE

IT TO START WITH?

I REALLY STRUGGLED WITH

IT.

THEY COURTED ME FOR SIX

MONTHS.

I JUST COULDN'T SEE IT.

IT JUST SEEMED LIKE A CRAZY

RISK AT THAT STAGE OF MY

LIFE.

BUT I FINALLY CAME TO THE

CONCLUSION THAT MY COMFORT

ZONE AT SOUTH EASTERN, WHERE

I WAS, WE HAD TURNED THAT

UNIVERSITY.

I HAD BEEN THERE 10 YEARS.

I JUST DIDN'T WANT MY

COMFORT ZONE TO DICTATE MY

DESTINY.

I THOUGHT, I'VE GOT ONE MORE

RODEO.

AND I WENT OUT THERE, AND IT

TURNED OUT GREAT.

Pat: YOU WENT OUT THERE

ON A SERIOUS BULL.

YOU GOT YOUR EIGHT

SECONDS.

IT WAS A SCARY BULL.

Pat: MARK, WHAT ARE YOU

PRINCIPLES?

WHAT DID YOU DO AS YOU WENT

IN.

"A," "B," AND "C," WHAT

WOULD YOU ADVICE SOMEBODY TO

DO?

THE FIRST THING IS

REALITY.

NO INSTITUTION,

ORGANIZATION, MARRIAGE,

LIFE -- NOTHING WILL CHANGE

UNTIL SOMEBODY LOOKS IN THE

MIRROR AND SAYS THIS CAN'T

GO ON THIS WAY.

AND ONE OF THE PROBLEMS,

PAT, IS FRANKLY CHRISTIANS

TEND TO INDULGE THEMSELVES

IN MAGICAL THINKING.

SOMETHING WILL HAPPEN.

IT IS NOT AS BAD AS THEY

THINK.

THEY GET THEOLOGY MIXED UP

WITH REALITY.

YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE REALITY

THERAPY.

THAT'S WHERE YOU SAY, THIS

HAS GOT TO CHANGE.

THE SECOND THING IS THAT YOU

HAVE TO KNOW WHAT HAS TO

CHANGE.

THERE HAS TO BE SPECIFIC

ANALYTICAL -- DO A SYSTEMS

ANALYSIS.

AND THE THIRD THING IS FOR

THE C.E.O., THE NEW

PRESIDENT, C.E.O., WHATEVER

THAT PERSON IS, HAS TO SEE

THEMSELVES AS AN ACTIVE

CATALYTIC AGENT OF HIGH

OCTANE ENERGY.

A START-UP OR A TURNAROUND

REQUIRES HUGE PERSONAL

EXPENDITURE OF ENERGY.

THAT PRESIDENT IS THE SENIOR

CULTURE OFFICER, SENIOR

ACADEMIC OFFICER, ALL OF

THAT, UNTIL THE PRESIDENT

STEPS IN -- OR THE LEADER OR

C.E.O. -- WHATEVER IT IS.

WHETHER IT IS A HARDWARE

STORE OR A UNIVERSITY OR A

CHURCH, THIS PERSON HAS TO

PROVIDE THAT LEVEL OF HIGH

OCTANE ENERGY OUTPUT.

Pat: THERE WAS NO

DETAIL TOO SMALL FOR YOU TO

GET INVOLVED IN?

YOU HAVE TO BE INVOLVED IN

DETAIL, BUT AT THE SAME

TIME, YOU CAN'T BE A

MICROMANAGER.

YOU HAVE TO GET PEOPLE

AROUND YOU THAT CAN REALLY,

REALLY PULL IT.

Pat: WAS YOUR DEAL TO

PULL IN NEW PEOPLE OR

MOTIVATE THE ONES THAT ARE

THERE.

YES.

ALL OF THE ABOVE.

WE DID HAVE TO GET NO

PEOPLE.

THE EXECUTIVE STAFF I

CHANGED.

Pat: YOU DID.

BUT THE FACULTY, THE

STAFF DOWN, NEEDED TO BE

REMOTE VATEED.

VATEED -- RE MOTIVATED.

WE HAD TO REARTICULATE A

CULTURE OF JOY.

THERE WAS JUST A KIND OF PUR

VA PERVASIVE SADNESS, AND

WE HAD TO REENERGIZE THE JOY

AND THE DREAM.

Pat: I WAS THERE IN THE

EARLY DAYS.

I WAS HEAD OF WHAT THEY CALL

THE PRESIDENT'S COUNCIL OR

CABINET, AND THERE WAS HUGE

DREAM, HUGE JOY,

EVERYTHING.

AND THEN IT JUST COLLAPSED.

IT IMPLODED, AND ALL OF

THE DIFFICULTY AND THE

SCANDAL AND THE LAWSUITS AND

ALL OF THAT.

SO WHAT HAD TO HAPPEN WAS

EXECUTIVE LEADERSHIP THAT

COULD BRING BACK A SENSE OF

CONFIDENCE.

TRUST HAD TO BE RESTORED.

I SPOKE TO EVERY CIVIC

ORGANIZATION IN TULSA,

OKLAHOMA, AND YOU JUST HAVE

TO GO AND OPEN THE BOOKS AND

GET THEM RIGHT AND GET

EVERYTHING RIGHT AND LEAD.

IT IS THE KIND OF

TURNAROUND, FRANKLY, THAT I

THINK WE'RE GOING TO NEED

NATIONALLY AT SOME POINT.

Pat: BOY, YOU'RE NOT

KIDDING.

STARTING WITH THE TOP AND

ALL THE WAY THROUGH.

HOW IS O.R. U. NOW?

O.R.U. IS DEBT-FREE.

AND WE HAVE DONE $57 MILLION

WORTH OF DEFERRED

MAINTENANCE FOR CASH.

WE BUILT AN $11.5 MILLION

STUDENT CENTRE FOR CASH.

AND WE'VE HAD FOUR STRAIGHT

YEARS OF ENROLLMENT GROWTH,

AND FOUR STRAIGHT YEARS OF

FRESHMAN RETENTION RATE OVER

80%.

Pat: MARK, THAT'S

EXTRAORDINARY.

IT IS A MIRACULOUS STORY,

REALLY, IT IS.

Pat: YOU WILL BE SO

MUCH IN DEMAND.

FORGET RETIREMENT, MAN.

THE OFFERS ARE COMING IN

OVER THE TRANSIT, I BET, RET

NOW.

IT IS VERY EXCITING.

I'M TRAVELLING, SPEAKING,

LECTURING, CONSULTING.

THE BOOK HAS GONE GREAT ON

THE "NEW YORK TIMES"

BEST-SELLER LIST.

Pat: YOU LEAVE

TOMORROW?

TOMORROW IS MY LAST DAY

AT O.R.U.

Pat: MARK, BLESS YOU.

THE BOOK IS CALLED

"RELAUNCH."

IIT IS HOUSE TO STAGE AN

ORGANIZATIONAL COMEBACK.

TOMORROW, WE'LL TELL YOU HOW

THE SEEDS THAT HAVE BECOME

SUPER FOODS ON TOMORROW'S

PROGRAM.

TODAY WE LEAVE YOU WITH

THESE WORDS FROM EPHESIANS:

"BE FILLED WITH THE SPIRIT,

GIVING THANKS FOR ALL THINGS

TO GOD THE FATHER IN THE

NAME OF OUR LORD JESUS

CHRIST."

OUR THANKS TO OUR DEAR

GUESTS, AND TO ALL OF YOU

FOR BEING WITH US, AND WE

WILL SEE YOU TOMORROW.

BYE-BYE.

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