THERE IS ONE GOD, BUT HE

HAS MANY NAMES.

Lee: LOOKING FOR

ANSWERS.

I WAS LOOKING FOR THAT

PEACE.

Lee: SEARCHING FOR

TRUTH.

LET ME BELIEVE WHAT I

WANT TO BELIEVE, AND YOU

BELIEVE IN WHAT YOU WANT TO

BELIEVE.

Lee: ONE HINDU'S QUEST

FOR GOD ON TODAY'S "700

CLUB."

HE IS NOT THE WAY, BUT HE

IS THE ONLY WAY TO THE

FATHER.

*

[APPLAUSE]

Pat: WELL, WELCOME TO

"THE 700 CLUB."

IF YOU DON'T GET YOUR TAXES

IN ON TIME, THE I.R.S. COMES

AFTER YOU, THEY FINE YOU,

AND YOU'VE GOT PENALTIES

YOU'VE GOT TO PAY.

BUT WHAT ABOUT THEM?

THEY DON'T SEEM TO WANT TO

ANSWER THEIR QUESTIONS.

AND WERE THEY TARGETING TEA

PARTY GROUPS?

, AND WHAT'S THE STORY?

WELL, AFTER ALL OF THESE

MONTHS, WE STILL DON'T KNOW

BECAUSE THEY ARE

STONEWALLING.

Terry: BUT THERE IS ONE

THING WE HAVE LEARNED: THE

SCANDAL WENT ALL OF THE WAY

TO I.R.S. HEADQUARTERS IN

WASHINGTON.

JENNIFER WISHON HAS THE

STORY.

Reporter: IN THE

BEGINNING, THE WHITE HOUSE

INSISTED THE I.R.S. SCANDAL

WAS CONFINED TO A ROGUE

OPERATION IN THE AGENCY'S

CINCINNATI OFFICE, BUT NOW

IT IS CLEAR THE SCANDAL WAS

ROOTED IN THE NATION'S

CAPITAL.

WE ARE FOLLOWING THE

FACTS.

THEY UNDENIABLY NOW LEAD TO

WASHINGTON.

Reporter: DURING A

RECENT HEARING, THE HOUSE

WATCHDOG COMMITTEE UNCOVERED

A CONNECTION WEAN THE TAX

EXEMPT STATUS FOR TEA PARTY

GROUPS, AND THE COUNCIL,

WHICH WAS ONE OF TWO I.R.S.

EMPLOYEES A APPOINTED BY

THE PRESIDENT.

CARL ROWE, WHO RETIRED, SAYS

HE WAS RECOMMENDED TO SEND

HIS APPLICATIONS FOR THE TEA

PARTY GROUPS TO THE OFFICE

OF THE COUNCIL.

WE KNOW WHEN YOU PUT THIS

MUCH DISCRETIONARY POWER IN

THE HANDS OF A FEW, IT MAY

BE ABUSED.

Reporter: SOON AFTER IT

BROKE, PRESIDENT OBAMA

APPOINTED PRESIDENT

SECRETARY JACK LOU TO

INVESTIGATE.

THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF

ANY POLITICAL DECISION

DECISION-MAKER INVOLVED IN

ANY OF THOSE DECISIONS.

Reporter: BUT WHEN

PRESSED BY THE FOX NEWS ON

SUNDAY, HE WOULDN'T ASK

ANYBODY WAS INVOLVED IN

TARGETING TEA PARTY GROUPS

QUESTIONS.

HE TELLS CBN NEWS POLITICAL

TARGETING BY THE I.R.S. IS

NOTHING NEW, AND SAYS THE

AGENCY HAS BECOME LITTLE

MORE THAN A POLITICAL ARM OF

THE PARTY IN CHARGE OF THE

WHITE HOUSE.

THESE ARE AMERICAN

CITIZENS BEING TARGETED.

THEY ARE NOT PHONY PEOPLE.

THIS IS NOT AN AFTER

ASTROTURF TYPE OF SCANDAL.

IT IS A SCANDAL THAT HAS

ACTUALLY ROOTS AND SHOWS THE

INHERENT PROBLEMS AT THE

I.R.S.

Reporter: AND THE

INVESTIGATION OF THIS

SCANDAL IS FAR FROM OVER.

JENNIFER WISHON, CBN NEWS,

WASHINGTON.

Pat: WELL, JAY SECULO

IS HEAD OF THE AMERICAN

CENTER FOR LAW AND JUSTICE,

AND HE IS WITH US FROM OUR

STUDIOS IN NASHVILLE.

JAY, WHO ARE YOU SUING?

YOU'RE SUING THE I.R.S. ON

BEHALF OF WHOM?

41 DIFFERENT GROUPS,

PAT.

THEY INCLUDE TEA PARTY

GROUPS.

AND THEY INCLUDE JUST SOME

CONSERVATIVE ORGANIZATIONS

AND AN EDUCATIONAL GROUP

CAUGHT UP IN THE DRAGNET,

AND A PRO-LIFE

ORGANIZATION.

WHAT STARTED AS THE TEA

PARTY, WHEN THEY DEVELOPED

WHAT IS CALL THE BOLO LIST,

THE BE ON THE LOOKOUT LIST,

YOU WERE PUT IN THIS

DRAGNET.

RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 41

PLAINTIFFS.

THE GOVERNMENT OFFERED A

QUICK RESOLUTION TO SOME OF

OUR CASES.

THEY SAID IF OUR CLIENTS

WOULD FORGO 9% OF THEIR

CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS OF

FREE SPEECH, IN OTHER WORDS,

YOU'RE ALLOWED TO ENGAGE AND

49% OF POLITICAL ACTIVITY,

AND IF YOU GO TO 40%, WE'LL

GIVE YOU AN EXPEDITED

REVIEW.

LET ME SHOW YOU THE RESPONSE

THAT YOUR AMERICAN CENTER

FOR LAW AND JUSTICE GAVE THE

I.R.S. IN RESPONSE TO THEIR

QUICK REVIEW.

THIS WAS THE LETTER AND

DOCUMENTS WE SENT TO THE

I.R.S., SAYING WE'RE NOT

GOING TO TAKE YOUR EXPEDITED

REVIEW.

THESE APPLICATIONS HAVE BEEN

PENDING FOR THREE YEARS, AND

WE WANT THEM APPROVED.

AND WE NOW KNOW THAT

EVERYTHING IS POINTING TO

THE OFFICE OF CHIEF COUNCIL,

WHICH IS AN OFFICE I WORKED

IN -- IT WAS MY FIRST JOB

OUT OF LAW SCHOOL, I WAS A

TRIAL LAWYER FOR THE CHIEF

COUNCIL'S OFFICE INVOLVED.

THAT'S A POLITICAL APPOINTEE

OF THE PRESIDENT.

THIS IS CERTAINLY MOVING UP

THE LADDER RAPIDLY,

ACTUALLY.

Pat: THIS LOIS LEARNER,

SHE WAS WITH THE FEDERAL

ELECTION COMMISSION, AND SHE

WENT AFTER MY CAMPAIGN

MERCILESSLY.

I THINK SHE HATES

EVANGELICALS -- I DON'T KNOW

PERSONALLY, BUT IS SHE GOING

TO GET AWAY WITH

STONEWALLING THE WAY SHE HAS

DONE?

IN YOUR PARTICULAR CASE,

THEY WERE ASKING OLIVER

NORTH ABOUT WHAT TYPE OF

PRAYERS HE ENGAGED IN WHEN

HE WAS MEETING WITH YOU.

THAT PRAYER LANGUAGE STILL

COMES UP IN QUESTIONS THAT

ARE ASKED OF PRO-LIFE

ORGANIZATIONS.

IN ONE OF THE LETTERS THAT

WENT TO ONE OF THE PRO-LIFE

GROUPS WE'RE REPRESENTING,

THEY WERE TOLD THAT THE

INFORMATION THEY ARE RELYING

ON, THAT LIFE IS SACRED, WAS

NOT SUPPORTED BY SCIENCE.

AND THEY WANTED INFORMATION

ABOUT PRAYER VIGILS AND

THINGS LIKE THIS.

SHE TOOK THE FIFTH

AMENDMENT.

SHE TOOK IN A RATHER BIZARRE

WAY -- I'M NOT SURE IF SHE

WAIVED IT OR NOT.

NOW THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE IN

WASHINGTON POINTING MUCH

HIGHER UP THE LADDER, INTO

THE OFFICE OF THE CHIEF

COUNCIL, THE PRESIDENT'S AP

APPOINTEE, YOU GIVE LOIS

LEARNER A IMMUNITY AND LET

HER TALK.

I THINK YOU'LL FIND THAT IT

WAS BEING DIRECTED BY THE

OFFICE OF THE CHIEF

COUNCIL.

WE KNOW THEY TOOK CONTROL OF

THE CHIEF CASES.

EVERYBODY THOUGHT CARTER

HALL WAS THE MAIN CUL

CULPRIT, BUT HE MADE CLEAR

IN HIS TESTIMONY THAT HE WAS

FOLLOWING ORDERS FROM THE

CHIEF COUNCIL'S OFFICE.

Pat: ARE YOU SAYING IT

BYPASSED LOIS LEARNER AND

WENT RIGHT TO THE WHITE

HOUSE?

OH, I THINK SHE HAS HAD A

LOT TO DO WITH IT.

REMEMBER WHEN SHE WAS IN

CHARGE OF THE F.C.C., THEY

WERE TELLING A CANDIDATE IF

YOU DIDN'T RUN FOR OFFICE

AGAIN, THEY WOULDN'T PUT A

FINE AGAINST HIS CAMPAIGN.

SO THEY'VE HAD THESE KIND OF

STATEMENTS BEFORE, AND FROM

HERSELF.

BUT WE KNOW FOR A FACT THAT

THE I.R.S. CHIEF COUNCIL

OFFICE WAS ASKED TO TAKE

THESE CASES OVER, OR TOOK

THESE CASES OVER.

SOMEBODY NEEDS TO ASK THE

I.R.S. CHIEF COUNCIL,

WILLIAM WILKEN, WHAT WAS

YOUR INVOLVEMENT, WHEN DID

YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS?

WHY DIDN'T YOU STOP?

AND JACK LEW, THE SECRETARY,

WAS ASKED TO MAKE AN

INVESTIGATION, AND HOLD

THOSE RESPONSIBLE LIABLE FOR

THEIR ACTIONS.

HE HAS NOT ASK AND WILL NOT

ASK THE I.R.S. COUNCIL WHAT

HE KNEW AND WHEN HE KNEW

IT.

AND THAT IS OUTRAGEOUS.

AND THAT IS WHAT WE GOT ON

THE SUNDAY TALK SHOWS WITH

CHRIS WALLACE.

AND PEOPLE SHOULD SAY NOW

YOU NEED TO GO BEFORE

CONGRESS AND TESTIFY UNDER

OATH.

Pat: CAN YOU GET THIS

CHIEF COUNCIL ON THE STAND,

UNDER OATH?

WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE THE

AUTHORITY UNDER THE FEDERAL

RULES OF CIVIL PROCEDURE TO

CERTAINLY DEPOSE THE HEAD OF

THE OFFICE OF CHIEF COUNCIL

NOW THAT WE KNOW THE CHIEF

COUNCIL'S OFFICE WAS

INVOLVED.

SO, YES, WE WILL DEPOSE

HIM.

WE WILL DEPOSE HIS

DEPUTIES.

IT IS AN OFFICE OF 1600

LAWYERS, BUT WHAT IS A

LITTLE UNTRUE ABOUT SOME OF

THAT STATEMENT, THERE IS NOT

JUST 1600 LAWYERS, BUT THERE

ARE LEVELS OF REVIEW.

BUT WE KNOW SOMEWHAT HIGH UP

TOOK THESE CASES OVER, AND

TOOK THEM OUT OF CAREER

LAWYERS WHO HAD BEEN WITH

THE I.R.S. FOR 48 YEARS, OR

AT THAT POINT, 46 YEARS.

WHAT WE NEED TO FIND OUT,

AND WE WILL ASK THE CHIEF

COUNCIL THIS UNDER OATH,

WHAT WAS HIS INVOLVEMENT,

AND WHEN HE WAS AWARE OF IT,

AND WHY HE ALLOWED IT TO GO

ON IF HE WAS AWARE.

BECAUSE THE SECOND ROUND OF

QUESTIONS THAT CAME OUT OF

THE CHIEF COUNCIL'S OFFICE

WAS THE MOST TROUBLING AND

DAMAGING.

THERE WAS A MEETING WITH THE

I.R.S., INCLUDING CHIEF

COUNCIL, AND TWO DAYS LATER,

HE WAS AT THE WHITE HOUSE,

AND A FEW DAYS AFTER THAT,

WE GET THE NEW LETTERS.

SO MAYBE IT IS JUST

COINCIDENTAL TIMING.

BUT IN WASHINGTON, WE DON'T

INTEND TO BELIEVE IN

COINCIDENCE TOO MUCH.

WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THIS ALL

THE WAY UP IN DISCOVERY

AGAINST THE I.R.S., AND

WE'LL SEE WHERE IT GOES.

THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF

EXPLAINING TO DO AT THIS

POINT.

AND I THINK CONGRESS NEEDS

TO PUSH AGGRESSIVELY TO GET

MORE TESTIMONY FROM NOT JUST

THE AGENTS, BUT FROM THE

HIGHER-UPS AT THE I.R.S.

Pat: WHO CAME UP WITH

THE CINCINNATI GAMBET?

WHERE DID THAT COME FROM?

I THINK LOIS LEARNER AND

HER TEAM, IN CONJUNCTION

WITH THE WHITE HOUSE,

THOUGHT THIS IS THE WAY THEY

COULD GET AWAY WITH THE

INSPECTOR GENERAL'S REPORT,

BY BLAMING IT ON TWO

LOW-LEVEL AGENTS.

BUT I KNEW RIGHT AWAY THEY

DIDN'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO

DO WHAT THEY DID WITH THESE

PARTICULAR CASES, BY LUMPING

THEM TOGETHER.

SO I THINK LOIS LEARNER, IN

CONJUNCTION WITH THE WHITE

HOUSE DEPUTY CHIEF

CHIEF-OF-STAFF, AND WE KNOW

THERE WERE CONVERSATIONS

BETWEEN THE WHITE HOUSE

CHIEF-OF-STAFF AND ANOTHER.

WHY DID JAY CARNEY SAY IT

WAS TWO LOW-LEVEL

BUREAUCRATS.

WHICH JACK LEW REPEATED THIS

WEEKEND, WHICH WE KNOW WAS

NOT TRUE.

LOIS LEARNER WAS A

HIGH-LEVEL GOVERNMENT

EMPLOYEE.

HOLLY CRAFT WAS A HIGH LEVEL

EMPLOYEE.

THE OFFICE OF CHIEF COUNCIL,

THESE AREN'T LOW-LEVEL

BUREAUCRATS.

THESE ARE SENIOR LAWYERS,

AND ONE WAS THE COUNSEL TO

JEREMIAH WRIGHT FOR WHAT

THEY WERE DEEMING

INAPPROPRIATE POLITICAL

ACTIVITY.

THE LAWYER FOR JEREMIAH

WRIGHT IS WILLIAM WILKENS,

AND LOIS LEARNER WAS

PARTNERS WITH THE WHITE

HOUSE COUNCIL.

Pat: WHO IS GOING TO

HOLD THESE PEOPLE

ACCOUNTABLE.

SO YOU FIND ALL OF THIS, SO

WHAT?

THREE THINGS: ONE, THE

CONGRESS IS INVESTIGATING.

AND THE OVERSIGHT THERE IS

CRITICAL.

NUMBER TWO, THIS IS A

FEDERAL LAWSUIT.

WE'RE NOT JUST ASKING FOR AN

IINJUNCTION FOR THINGS TO

STOP, AND THE EXEMPTIONS TO

BE GRANTED, BUT WE'RE ASKING

FOR DAMAGES.

AND THE GOVERNMENT CAN'T GET

AWAY WITH JUST VIOLATING

CIVIL RIGHTS.

IT WAS THE ATTORNEY-GENERAL

OF THE UNITED STATES, ERIC

HOLDER, WHO SAID THIS MAY BE

CRIMINAL ACTIVITY INVOLVED

AT THE I.R.S.

WE HAVE NOT HAD ONE CLIENT

CONTACTED BY THE I.R.S. AS

OF THE TIME I'M ON THE

BROADCAST WITH YOU TODAY.

NOT ONE HAS BEEN CONTACTED

BY THE F.B.I. INVESTIGATING

THIS.

SO THE I.R.S. IS IN A

FREEFALL.

AND THEY'RE NOT RESPONDING

TO ANYTHING, THE INTERNAL

PROCESS RIGHT NOW.

THESE GROUPS SHOULD BE

GRANTED EXEMPTION

IMMEDIATELY.

BUT THERE IS GOING TO BE

DAMAGES TO PAY.

AND THIS IS SERIOUS FEDERAL

INVESTIGATION.

THERE IS A LOT GOING ON.

THE GOVERNMENT ASKED FOR AN

EXTENSION OF TIME IN WHICH

TO RESPOND BECAUSE THEY'RE

TRYING TO SORT OUT WHO IS

GOING TO REPRESENT WHO

BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY

DEFENDANTS IN THIS CASE.

Pat: WE'RE GOING TO

PRAY FOR YOU.

I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING

TO LET YOU GO UNSCATHED.

IF YOU HURT THEM AND THEY

DON'T RESPOND -- I REMEMBER

THAT GREAT STATEMENT MY

FATHER USED TO SAY, IOT

QUOTING FROM THE OLD DAYS OF

ROME, "YOU DON'T STRIKE THE

KING UNLESS YOU KILL HIM."

YOU'VE STRUCK THE KING.

BUT IN THIS CASE, THE

KINGS ADMITTED LIABILITY.

THEY SAID WHAT WE DID WAS

WRONG.

THAT WILL REALLY HELP THE

CASE.

Pat: POWER TO YOU,

BUDDY.

JAY SECULO, LADIES AND

GENTLEMEN, A DEAR FRIEND,

AND GENERAL COUNSEL FOR THE

AMERICAN CENTER FOR LAW AND

JUSTICE.

ISN'T IT SHOCKING?

Terry: IT IS SHOCKING,

THE DEPTHS OF THIS ONE.

Pat: PRAY FOR JAY ON

THIS.

THE GOVERNMENT HAS MADE

ANOTHER BREAKTHROUGH IN THE

FIGHT AGAINST CHILD

MOLESTATION AND

PROSTITUTION, SEX

TRAFFICKING.

THIS IS A GOOD STORY, NOT A

BAD STORY.

YOU HEARD ABOUT IT

YESTERDAY, AND NOW THIS IS

AN EXPANDED EDITION TO GIVE

YOU MORE

DETAILS.

Lee: THE F.B.I. SAYS

AUTHORITIES RESCUED DOZENS

OF YOUNG PEOPLE, ALMOST ALL

OF THEM GIRLS FROM 13 TO 17

YEARS OLD.

MANY OF THEM HAD RUN AWAY

FROM HOME AND QUICKLY FALLEN

INTO PROSTITUTION.

DALE HERD HAS THE STORY.

IN HAYWARD, CALIFORNIA,

THIS 15-YEAR-OLD PROSTITUTE

PICKED UP BY POLICE SAID SHE

WAS SCARED AND ASKED IF SHE

COULD CALL HER MOTHER.

THIS 13-YEAR-OLD SAYS SHE

RAN AWAY FROM A GROUP HOME.

PATRICK MIMS, WHO IS WITH AN

ADVOCACY GROUP THAT HELPS

GIRLS WHO BECOME

PROSTITUTES.

FOSTER HOMES AND GROUP

HOMES, AND THEY'RE LEAVING

THESE PLACES AS FAST AS

THEY'RE SENT TO THEM.

Reporter: IN A MASSIVE

THREE-DAY F.B.I. SWEEP OVER

THE WEEKEND, FEDERAL

AUTHORITIES RESCUED 105

CHILDREN FROM FORCED

PROSTITUTION ACROSS THE

COUNTRY.

ONE OF THE MOST PREVALENT

AND VIOLENT CRIMES IN THIS

COUNTRY.

Lee: AND THE F.B.I.

ARRESTED 150 PIMPS IN 76

AMERICAN CITIES.

THE LARGEST NUMBERS OF

CHILDREN WERE RESCUED IN

DETROIT, MILWAUKEE, DENVER,

NEW ORLEANS, AND SAN

FRANCISCO.

TRAFFICKERS ARE PREYING

ON THOSE WITH LOW

SELF-ESTEEM AND MINIMAL

SOCIAL SUPPORT.

Reporter: FEDERAL

OFFICIALS SAID MANY OF THE

CHILDREN WERE SOLD INTO

PROSTITUTION ONLINE, AT

TRUCK STOPS OR ON CITY

STREETS.

THEY'RE OFTEN HOMELESS OR IN

FOSTER CARE.

WHEN THESE CHILDREN ARE

RECOVERED FROM THE CONTROL

OF THEIR PIMPS, TYPICALLY

THEIR ONLY POSSESSIONS ARE

THE CLOTHES THEY ARE

WEARING.

Lee: THE JUSTICE

DEPARTMENT ESTIMATES NEARLY

450,000 CHILDREN RUN AWAY

FROM HOME EACH YEAR, AND

ONE-THIRD OF TEENS LIVING ON

THE STREET WILL BE LURED

TOWARDS PROSTITUTION WITHIN

48 HOURS OF LEAVING HOME.

AND SOME ARE RECRUITED RIGHT

OUT OF FOSTER CARE

FACILITIES.

DALE HERD, CBN NEWS.

Lee: A BILLIONAIRE

SAUDI PRINCE SAYS THE

AMERICAN SHALE OIL

REVOLUTION COULD BECOME A

THREAT TO THE SAUDI

AUTHORITY.

PRINCE AL-WALID SAYS THE

U.S. OIL BOMB WILL TAKE

BUSINESS AWAY FROM SAUDI

ARABIA AND OTHER OPEC

COUNTRIES.

THE PRINCE GAVE HIS WARNING

IN A LETTER TO THE SAUDI OIL

MINISTRY.

BUT HE IS ASSURED THAT THE

SAUDI ECONOMY DEPENDS

HEAVILY ON ITS OIL SALES, SO

DO OTHER EASTERN COUNTRIES.

ALL OF THEM COULD BE HURT BY

THE SHALE FROM THE U.S. AND

OTHER COUNTRIES AS WELL.

PAT, WHAT ABOUT THAT?

Pat: I UNDERSTAND ABOUT

92% OF ALL OF THEIR INCOME

OF THE SAUDIS COMES FROM

OIL.

SOME OF THOSE BIG FIELDS ARE

STARTING TO DIMINISH,

DEPLETE.

THAT GREAT GOWAR FIELD THAT

WE'VE HEARD ABOUT IS

STARTING TO DEPLETE.

I THINK THE SHALE OIL IS

JUST SHOCKING THEM BECAUSE

NO LONGER WILL OPEC BE

RULING THE ROOST IN TERMS OF

OIL PRICING.

THIS MEANS THAT THE SAUDIS

CAN'T BE THE BIG PLAYER ANY

LONGER.

SO WHAT THE RUSSIANS, THE

UNITED STATES AND OTHERS,

THEY'RE LOSING THEIR

DOMINANCE.

BUT PRINCE al-AWID IS A

BIG VISITOR IN CITICORP AND

OTHERS.

HIS NET WORTH IS NORTH OF

$20 BILLION.

I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW

MUCH IT IS NOW BECAUSE

THINGS GO UP AND DOWN.

BUT HE HAS BEEN A VERY, VERY

SHREWD INVESTOR.

HE LIVES OUT IN A TENT IN

THE DESERT AND PLAYS LIKE AN

OLD ARAB, BUT HE IS A VERY

SOPHISTICATED INVESTOR.

SO WHAT HE SAYS, YOU OUGHT

TO TAKE SERIOUSLY.

TERRY?

Terry: UP NEXT, A

FORMER FELON FACES THE HARSH

REALITY OF LIFE ON THE

OUTSIDE.

I HAVE A CHILD, I HAVE A

WIFE, YOU'VE GOT TO PROVIDE

FOR THE HOUSEHOLD.

HOW CAN YOU HANDLE THESE

RESPONSIBILITIES WHEN PEOPLE

ARE AFRAID OF YOU BECAUSE

YOU'RE A CONVICTED FELON.

THEY'VE BEEN TOLD NOT TO

HIRE CONVICTED FELONS.

Terry: SEE HOW THIS

EX-ITEMS CONVICTED FELON

GETS A FRESH START.

Pat: WE'VE BEEN

TALKING, ON THIS PROGRAM,

ABOUT A SHOCKING ABUSE OF

THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE

SYSTEM.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAME

INTO PLAY ABOUT 20 YEARS

AGO, WHEN THERE WAS A BIG

ANTI-CRIME THRUST.

AND LET'S GET TOUGH ON

CRIMINALS, AND LET'S LOCK

THEM UP.

AND PEOPLE RAN FOR OFFICE ON

THAT PLATFORM.

LET'S LOCK UP THE CRIMINALS

AND DO AWAY WITH PAROLE.

WELL, WE JAMMED OUR

PRISONERS, AND WE'VE

CRIMINALIZED THE POSSESSION

OF AN OUNCE OR SO OF

MARIJUANA, AND NOW WE HAVE

MORE PEOPLE INCARCERATED IN

AMERICA THAN THEY DO IN

CHINA OR THE SOVIET UNION.

OUR PER CAPITA NUMBER OF

INCARCERATIONS IS SIMPLY

SHOCKING, AND THE COST IS

ENORMOUS.

SO YOU LOCK SOMEBODY UP FOR

A COUPLE OF YEARS BECAUSE HE

HAD AN OUNCE OF GRASS IN HIS

POSSESSION, NOW WHAT DOES HE

DO?

HE IS MARKED AS A CRIMINAL.

HE IS MARKED AS A FELON.

SO WHAT HAPPENS?

EVERY YEAR, MORE THAN

700,000 PEOPLE ARE RELEASED

FROM VARIOUS STATE AND

FEDERAL PRISONS.

WELL, IS THAT THE END OF THE

LINE?

OH, NO.

THAT ISN'T THE END.

THAT'S JUST THE BEGINNING OF

THEIR TROUBLES.

LIFE ON THE OUTSIDE IF TOUGH

FOR MANY OF THESE PEOPLE

BECAUSE EMPLOYERS ARE

RELUCTANT TO HIRE EX-CONS.

BUT CHARLENE ISRAEL FOUND

ONE MAN WHO IS HELPING SOME

OF THEM GET A NEW START IN

LIFE.

Reporter: SEAN COLLINS

HARRIS ONCE DREAMED OF

TRAVELLING THE WORLD AS A

MOTIVATIONAL SPEAKER.

IN COLLEGE, THAT ALL CHANGED

WHEN HE GOT CAUGHT UP WITH

THE WRONG CROWD AND STARTED

SELLING DRUGS.

I WANTED TO MAKE MONEY,

AND I WANTED TO MAKE QUICK

MONEY.

Reporter: THAT DESIRE

EVENTUALLY LANDED HIM BEHIND

BARS.

I WA I WAS SENTENCED TO

FIVE YEARS IN THE STATE

PENITENTIARY WITH POSSESSION

OF FIVE POUNDS OF MARIJUANA

WITH A FIREARM.

YOU'VE GOT TO PUT FOOD ON

THE TABLE AND PROVIDE FOR

THE HOUSEHOLD.

HOW ARE YOU GOING TO HANDLE

THESE RESPONSIBILITIES WHEN

PEOPLE ARE AFRAID OF YOU

BECAUSE YOU'RE A CONVICTED

FELON.

Reporter: DR. TOX ITO

SEES IT FAR TOO ALL.

DR. ITO NOTICED A TREND

AMONG PRISONERS RE-ENTERING

SOCIETY.

AS IT GOT CLOSE TO THEIR

RELEASE, THEY BECAME

APPREHENSIVE.

THEY DIDN'T WANT TO GO BACK

TO THE SAME OLD

NEIGHBORHOODS.

WHEN YOU GET SO MANY

DOORS CLOSED IN YOUR FACE,

WHAT IS LEFT TO DO?

WHAT CAN YOU DO?

I HAVE A CHILD, AND IV A

WIFE.

SO IT IS EITHER ONE OF TWO

THINGS: GO BACK TO WHAT I

KNEW HOW TO DO, BECAUSE,

TRUST ME, THAT SAME OLD GANG

WAS THERE.

Reporter: FOR THAT

REASON, DR. ITO CREATED

"LEADERSHIP CALL," AN

ORGANIZATION HELPING TO

REMOVE BARRIERS FOR

EX-OFFENDERS ACROSS

VIRGINIA.

MOST OF THESE MEN HAVE

BEEN GIVEN A BAD RAP.

THEY ALREADY PAID THEIR DUES

WHEN THEY WENT TO PRISON.

Reporter: IT HELPS

PEOPLE TEAR DOWN NEGATIVE

MIND SERTS.

> MINDSETS.

WE WANT TO FIND OUT WHAT

GOD HAS DEPOSITED INTO EACH

INDIVIDUAL AND HELP THEM TAP

INTO THAT.

Reporter: DR. ITO USES

THIS EXPERIENCE AS A

CONSULTANT AND DEFENSE

CONTRACTOR TO GET THE BALL

ROLLING.

I'M A FREE MARKET

CAPITALIST.

IF THERE IS ONE THING THAT

WORKS WELL, IT IS A FREE

MARKET.

WE HAVE ABOUT AN 85% RATE OF

SUCCESS.

Reporter: SEAN BECAME A

CHRISTIAN WHILE IN PRISON,

AND THEN WENT ON TO BE ONE

OF THE PROGRAM'S SUCCESS

STORIES.

I BORROWED A LOAN FROM MY

GRANDFATHER, AND

BORROWED A

PRESSURE WASHER, AND NOW I

OWN THREE PRESSURE WASHERS,

AND NOW I OWN SEVEN LAWN

MOWERS AND TRAILERS AND

EQUIPMENT AND RUN MY OWN

LAWN CARE BUSINESS.

I HAVE SUBCONTRACTORS UNDER

ME THAT DO ROOFING AND ALL

TYPES OF HANDYMAN SERVICES.

Reporter: 29-YEAR-OLD

GANG MEMBER MIKE TAYLOR

FACED AN EIGHT YEAR PRISON

SENTENCE FOR ROBBERY.

BEFORE GIVING HIS LIFE TO

CHRIST, HE FELT HE HAD A

DEATH WISH.

IF I HAD GOT SHOT AND

DIED RIGHT THEN, I WOULDN'T

HAVE CARED.

Reporter: NOW HE CARES

ABOUT THE PLANS FOR HIS NEW

T-SHIRT BUSINESS AND

NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATION,

THANKS TO THE PROGRAM'S

BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES AND

DISCIPLESHIP.

THAT WILL HELP HIM DO GOOD

IN THE COMMUNITIES WHERE HE

ONCE DID SO MUCH BAD.

I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE

MONEY.

I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT

MAKING A DIFFERENCE WHEN I

LEAVE HERE.

I JUST WANT TO LEAVE A GREAT

LEGACY THAT IS GOING TO LAST

FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS.

Reporter: DR. ITO SAYS

WHEN INMATES COMPLETE THEIR

12-MONTH PARTS PAIGHTS IN

PARTICIPATION IN LEADERSHIP,

THE OUTCOME IS RENEWED

LIVES.

THE ONLY THING WE DON'T

RECYCLE IS HUMAN CAPITAL.

THINK ABOUT IT, WE'RE

CREATED IN GOD'S IMAGE, BUT

WE DUMP IT AND TRASH IT.

SO IN A WAY I'M IN THE

RECYCLING BUSINESS, BUT IT

IS AWESOME TO SEE WHEN THEY

GET IT AND RUN WITH THE

VISION.

I'M GIVING GOD THE GLORY

FOR EVERYTHING HE HAS GIVEN

ME.

I WAITING TO SEE WHAT HE IS

GOING TO DO NEXT.

Reporter: CHARLENE

ISRAEL, CBN NEWS.

Pat: THAT'S A WONDERFUL

PROGRAM.

WE CONGRATULATE THEM FOR

WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND LET'S

HOPE THEY'RE VERY

SUCCESSFUL.

Terry: COMING UP, A

DEVOUT HINDU EXPANDS HIS

SPIRITUAL SEARCH.

I WAS INVOLVED IN AF AS

ASTROLOGY, AND I WOULD READ

PEOPLE'S PALMS AND TELL THEM

WHAT THEIR LINES MEANT.

Terry: WATCH WHAT

HAPPENS THE NIGHT SOMEONE

READS HIS?

THAT'S COMING UP.

Pat: WHAT DO HINDUS

BELIEVE?

WELL, THEY BELIEVE IN A LOT

OF THINGS, SUCH AS KARMA.

BUT THEY ALSO HAVE A

PANTHEON, 300 MILLION

DEITIES.

300MILLION.

I WAS SHOCKED WHEN I HEARD

THE NUMBER, BUT THAT THE IS

IS WHAT IT IS.

THERE WAS A DEVOUT HINDU AND

HE THOUGHT ASTROLOGY, PALM

READING -- ALL WERE A WAY TO

GET CLOSER TO GOD.

AND THEN ONE NIGHT, THIS

HINDU, NAMED ERIC, HAD A

SUPER NATURAL EXPERIENCE,

NOT ONE OF THE 300 MILLION,

BUT THE ONE TRUE GOD.

WATCH THIS.

*

*

MY VIEWPOINT WAS THERE IS

ONE GOD, BUT HE HAS MANY

NAMES AND MANY FORMS.

TO ME, JESUS WAS A GOD.

BUDDHA WAS A GOD.

CHRISTIAN WACRESHCRISH

KRISHNA WAS A GOD.

Reporter: HE GREW UP

BELIEVING THERE ARE MANY

PATHS TO GOD.

BORN INTO A CONSERVATIVE

FAMILY IN INDIA, HE WAS

DEEPLY COMMITTED TO HIS

FAITH.

I WOULD OFFER THE FLOWERS

FOR THE HINDU GODS IN THE

SHRINES, AND PRAY EVERY DAY,

AND HAVE A GREAT RESPECT FOR

THE HINDU GURUS.

Reporter: WHEN ERIC WAS

A TEENAGER, HIS FAMILY MOVED

TO THE U.S.

SHE WENT TO A CHRISTIAN

SCHOOL WHERE HE LEARNED

ABOUT JESUS.

HE ALSO STARTED GOING TO

CHURCH.

I DID NOT HAVE A PROBLEM

GOING TO CHRISTIAN CHURCH

BECAUSE I BELIEVED THAT

JESUS WAS A WAY, A GOD.

I REMEMBER GOING TO THAT

CHURCH AND FEELING THE

PRESENCE OF GOD.

I REMEMBER ONE DAY THE

PASTOR CAME TO ME AND HE

ASKED ME TO PRAY THE PRAYER

OF SALVATION, AND I DID.

BUT I DID NOT UNDERSTAND

WHAT I WAS PRAYING.

BUT ONE THING THAT REALLY

STOOD OUT IN THAT CHURCH WAS

THE PEACE THAT I REALLY

FELT.

AND I WAS LOOKING FOR THAT

PEACE.

Reporter: ERIC'S

OPENNESS TO CHRISTIANITY

SOURED WHEN A CHURCH MEMBER

CONFRONTED HIM ABOUT HOLDING

ON TO HIS HINDU FAITH.

I LEFT THAT CHURCH HURT,

OFFENDED, AND ANGRY.

AND THAT ALSO MADE ME ANGRY

TOWARDS CHRISTIANS.

AND I SAID TO MYSELF, WHY

ARE THESE CHRISTIANS TRYING

TO CONVERT THE HINDUS.

LEAVE THE HINDUS ALONE.

SO LET ME BELIEVE WHAT I

WANT TO BELIEVE, AND YOU

BELIEVE IN WHAT YOU WANT TO

BELIEVE.

Reporter: SO ERIC SET

OUT TO PROVE THAT ALL

RELIGIONS ARE BASICALLY THE

SAME.

I CAME TO THE POINT WHERE

I THOUGHT I HAD THE

ANSWERS.

SO MY ENCOUNTER WITH

CHRISTIANS WAS I WOULD GET

INTO DEBATE, TRYING TO

CONVINCE THEM THAT, NO,

HINDU IS THE RIGHT WAY.

YES, I DO BELIEVE IN JESUS

CHRIST, BUT TO ME HE IS ONE

OF THE GODS.

HE IS NOT THE ONLY GOD.

Reporter: ERIC EXPANDED

HIS SEARCH FOR ANSWERS

THROUGH OTHER PRACTICES.

I WAS INVOLVED IN

ASTROLOGY, PALMISTRY, NUM

NUMEROLOGY.

I DID NOT SEE THERE ANYTHING

WRONG WITH THAT.

IT WAS ACTUALLY VERY, VERY

EXCITING AND FUN.

I WOULD READ PEOPLE'S PALMS,

AND I WOULD TELL THEM WHAT

THEIR LINES MEANT.

Reporter: THEN ONE

NIGHT ERIC HAD AN EXPERIENCE

HE WOULD NEVER FORGET.

I HEARD THE VOICE OF

GOD.

TURN ON THE TELEVISION.

AND AS I DID, THERE WAS PAT

ON "THE 700 CLUB."

AND HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE

SINFULNESS OF OCCULT.

FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME, THE

LIGHT CAME ON.

MY EYES SUPER NATURALLY

OPENED.

I GOT A REVELATION FROM GOD

THAT EVENING, HEARING HIM,

YES, ASTROLOGY, PALMISTRY,

NUMEROLOGY, THEY ARE SINFUL

AND DEMONIC.

I GOT ON MY KNEE AND I BEGAN

TO PRAY THIS PRAYER OF

REPENTANCE, AND I SAID,

JESUS, FORGIVE ME FOR DOING

ALL OF THESE THINGS.

I'M SINCERELY SORRY.

I SINCERELY PRAYED THAT

PRAYER OF SALVATION AND

REPENTANCE, AND I MEANT IT

FROM MY HEART.

Reporter: THEN ERIC

FINALLY EXPERIENCED WHAT HE

HAD BEEN LOOKING FOR ALL OF

HIS LIFE.

I FELT THE PRESENCE OF

GOD, THE GLORY OF GOD, OF

JESUS CHRIST, ACTUALLY, COME

ALL OVER ME AND FILL ME AND

SUBMERGE ME.

I FELT LIKE THAT STRONGHOLD

OF OCCULT WAS BROKEN, AND

GOD DELIVERED ME INSTANTLY.

I TOOK ALL OF MY BOOKS THAT

HAD TO DO WITH THE OCCULT

AND THREW THEM IN THE

DUMPSTER.

THE IMAGES OF THE HINDU GODS

THAT WERE ON MY WALL, I

SUDDENLY HAD NO DESIRE TO

PRAY TO THEM.

Reporter: ERIC WENT TO

ANOTHER CHURCH.

THIS TIME WAS DIFFERENT.

THEY ALLOWED GOD TO DO

THE WORK IN MEMEN ME.

AND THEY SHOWED ME LOVE.

AND THAT LOVE THAT I FELT IN

THE CHURCH, DREW ME O G TO

GO BACK THERE AGAIN WEEK

AFTER WEEK AFTER WEEK, THE

LOVE AND THE POWER OF GOD.

THE MORE I HEARD THE WORD OF

GOD, SOMETHING BEGAN TO

CHANGE IN MY SUPER

NATURALLY.

GOD BEGAN TO REVEAL TO ME

THAT JESUS IS NOT A GOD; HE

IS THE GOD.

HE IS NOT A WAY; HE IS THE

ONLY WAY TO THE FATHER.

Reporter: ERIC'S QUEST

WAS FINALLY OVER.

EVEN WHEN I WAS DOING

DEEP YOGA, EVEN IN THOSE

STATES, I NEVER EXPERIENCED

GOD, LIKE I DID WITH JESUS.

ONE THING ABOUT OUR LORD

JESUS CHRIST, I HAVE THAT

REAL PEACE AND CONTENTMENT.

I ALWAYS HAVE THE PRESENCE

OF GOD BECAUSE THE BIBLE

SAYS THAT GOD LOVES ME.

AND AS A HINDU, I NEVER HAD

ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

Reporter: ERIC WENT ON

TO BECOME AN ORDAINED

MINISTER.

HE ENCOURAGES OTHERS WHO ARE

LOOKING FOR ANSWERS TO LOOK

TO JESUS.

IF YOU WANT THE TRUE

SUPER NATURAL POWER OF GOD,

AND IF YOU WANT TO HAVE THE

TRUE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD, COME

TO JESUS, AND PUT YOUR TRUST

TO HIM, AND JESUS CHRIST

WILL REVEAL TO YOU WHAT HE

HAS REVEALED TO ME.

BECAUSE GOD IS NO RESPECTER

OF PEOPLE.

THE ANSWER IS NOT IN THE

HINDU GURUS.

IT IS NOT IN THE STARS.

IT IS NOT IN THE PSYCHICS.

THE ANSWER IS IN JESUS.

Pat: WHAT A STORY.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, GOD

ALMIGHTY, THE CREATOR OF

HEAVEN AND EARTH, MADE THIS

WORLD, AND HE FORMED PEOPLE,

MAN, WOMEN, TO LIVE ON THIS

EARTH.

AND HE GAVE US A HUNGER FOR

HIMSELF.

BUT THE BIBLE TELLS US IN

ADDITION TO THE CREATOR GOD,

THERE WAS ALSO AN ENEMY,

WHO'S CALLED SATAN,

DEABOLOS, OR WHATEVER NAME

HE WANTS TO BE GIVEN, AND HE

WAS THERE TO DESTROY PEOPLE

MADE IN THE IMAGE OF GOD.

AND HE IS VERY DECEPTIVE,

AND VERY POWERFUL, AND THERE

ARE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WHO

ARE DECEIVED BY HIM, AND WHO

WORSHIP HIM, AND WHO WORSHIP

MANIFESTATIONS OF CREATURES

THAT HE HAS PLACED ON

EARTH.

BUT THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD.

JESUS SAID THERE IS ONLY ONE

WAY.

THE BIBLE SAYS -- WELL, HE

SAID, I AM THE WAY, THE

TRUTH, AND THE LIGHT.

NOBODY COMES TO THE FATHER

BUT BY ME.

HE IS THE GREAT GOD.

HE IS THE CREATOR.

AND THESE OTHER THINGS COME

FROM DEMONIC SPIRITS.

THEY COME FROM SATAN, THE

ENEMY.

THE ONE WHO WANTS TO KILL

AND TO DESTROY AND TO

DECEIVE.

THAT'S WHO YOUR ENEMY IS.

AND THE ONE WHO LOVES YOU IS

THE ONE WHO CREATED YOU.

GOD ALMIGHTY.

HE IS THE SO WONDERFUL.

HE IS SO POWERFUL.

AND HE SAYS TO YOU TODAY,

CHILD, I LOVE YOU.

CHILD, I LOVE YOU.

I WILL FORGIVE YOU.

DON'T BE DECEIVED.

DON'T BE DESTROYED.

DON'T LET SATAN TWIST YOUR

MIND AND TAKE YOU FROM ME.

BUT COME BACK TO ME BECAUSE

I LOVE YOU.

I'M GOING TO PRAY RIGHT NOW,

AND IF YOU WANT TO, COME TO

THE FATHER.

I WANT YOU TO PRAY THIS

PRAYER WITH ME, WHEREVER YOU

ARE.

JUST BOW YOUR HEAD RIGHT NOW

AND PRAY.

JESUS -- THAT'S RIGHT, PRAY

WITH ME RIGHT NOW.

LORD JESUS, I COME TO YOU.

I'VE SOUGHT MANY WAYS.

I'VE DABBLED IN THE OCCULT.

I'VE SINNED, GOD.

PLEASE FORGIVE ME.

LET ME KNOW YOU.

I OPEN MY HEART TO YOU, AND

I SAY COME IN.

LIVE IN ME.

LIVE YOUR LIFE IN ME.

AND FROM THIS MOMENT ON, I

WILL SERVE YOU AND I WILL

GIVE MY LIFE TO YOU.

THANK YOU, LORD.

THANK YOU, JESUS.

THANK YOU, FATHER, FOR

HEARING MY PRAYER.

THANK YOU.

AMEN.

AND AMEN.

IF YOU PRAYED THAT PRAYER

JUST NOW, I WANT YOU TO GIVE

US A CALL.

TELL SOMEBODY WHAT YOU'VE

DONE.

BUT MORE THAN ANYTHING,

BEGIN TO LIVE FOR THE LORD.

LIVE YOUR LIFE FOR HIM.

HE IS GOD ALMIGHTY.

I'LL BE GLAD TO SEND YOU

LITERATURE AND THINGS THAT

WILL HELP YOU.

BUT CALL IN RIGHT NOW, AND

SAY I JUST PRAYED WITH PAT.

I HAVE COME TO THE FATHER

THROUGH JESUS CHRIST, HIS

SON.

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Terry: STILL AHEAD,

WE'LL READ YOUR MAIL, YOUR

E-MAIL, THAT IS.

MARY WANTS TO KNOW, "IS IT A

SIN TO HAVE INTERCOURSE ON

SUNDAY IF YOU'RE MARRIED?

I KNOW THE BIBLE SAYS TO

KEEP SUNDAY HOLY."

PAT IS GOING TO ANSWER

MARY'S QUESTION AND MORE.

THAT'S ALL COMING UP.

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OPERATION WHEN HE WAS ONLY

FOUR YEARS OLD.

COLTON SAID AT THE TIME, HE

SAW HEAVEN.

JESUS CAME TO ME AND

SAID, COLTON, YOU NEED TO GO

BACK.

EVEN THOUGH I DIDN'T WANT TO

GO BACK, HE SAID HE WAS

ANSWERING MY DAD'S PRAYER.

Reporter: THE BOOK

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Pat: RAHAB WAS A

PROSTITUTE.

SHE HID THE SPIES, AND

ACTUALLY BECAME PART OF THE

PRODGINY OF THE LINEAGE OF

JESUS CHRIST.

SO SHE IS VERY IMPORTANT,

BUT A PROSTITUTE.

INTERESTING HOW GOD USES

THOSE --

Terry: A FASCINATING

STORY.

AND A GREAT WAY TO SHARE THE

WORD WITH YOUR CHILDREN IN

AN EXCITING FASHION.

Pat: QUESTIONS!

Terry: IT IS "BRING IT

ON" TIME.

THIS IS MARY -- I DON'T KNOW

WHERE SHE HEARD THIS, BUT

SHE SAYS, "IS IT A SIN TO

HAVE INTERCOURSE ON SUNDAY

IF YOU'RE MARRIED.

I KNOW THE BIBLE SAYS TO

KEEP SUNDAY HOLY."

Pat: THAT DEPENDS ON

YOUR VIEW OF INTERCOURSE.

IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE A HOLY

ACT.

I DON'T THINK IT IS A SIN IF

YOU'RE MARRIED, TO MAKE LOVE

TO YOUR WIFE OR YOUR

HUSBAND, WHETHER IT IS

SUNDAY OR OTHERWISE.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY

ACCEPT -- THE BASIC THING

ABOUT THE SABBATH IS

SUPPOSED TO BE A DAY OF

REST --

Terry: AND A DAY OF

FOCUSING ON THE LORD.

Pat: I DON'T KNOW WHAT

YOU FOCUS ON WHEN YOU'RE

HAVING INTERCOURSE IN YOUR

RELATIONSHIP --

Terry: A GOD-ORDAINED

INSTITUTION.

Pat: THANK YOU, TERRY.

IT IS.

Terry: IT IS.

Pat: IT IS MADE BY GOD,

AND THEREFORE IT IS A HOLY

ACT.

WHAT IS NEXT?

Terry: JOHN SAYS, "MY

DAUGHTER, JENNIFER, IS

GETTING READY TO HAVE A

LITTLE ONE SOON.

SHE ASKED ME WHEN SHOULD SHE

HAVE HER BABY BAPTIZED.

WHAT SHOULD I TELL HER?"

Pat: IT DEPENDS ON WHAT

CHURCH YOU BELONG TO.

IF YOU'RE OF THE CATHOLIC

PERSUASION, YOU BELIEVE THAT

THE CHILD IS BORN WITH

ORIGINAL SIN, AND THEREFORE

BAPTISM IS AN ACT WHICH

CLEANSES THE CHILD.

AND IF THE CHILD DIES BEFORE

BAPTISM --

Terry: YEAH.

Pat: -- IT IS SUBJECT

TO REAL SERIOUS PROBLEMS.

THE PROTESTANTS BELIEVE IT

IS A BAPTISM THAT TAKES

PLACE AS A BELIEVER, AND

THEREFORE YOU HAVE TO BE

ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU

ARE DOING.

IT DEPENDS ON WHICH

COMMUNION YOU BELONG TO.

THERE ARE OTHERS WHO HAVE A

CHILD DEDICATED, WHETHER IT

IS METHODIST, OR WHATEVER,

AND THEY SPRINKLE THEM AND

THERE IS AN ACT OF

DEDICATION.

Terry: IN CATHOLICISM,

THEY HAVE CA CADECISM, AND

THEN YOU'RE ALLOWED TO SPEAK

FOR YOURSELF.

Pat: WHEN?

WELL, WHICH CHURCH DO YOU

BELONG TO?

IF YOU BELIEVE IN THE

DEDICATION OF INFANTS, THERE

IS NOTHING WRONG WITH

DEDICATING AN INFANT TO THE

LORD.

IT IS AT ANY TIME AFTER

BIRTH.

SO IT IS UP TO YOU.

Terry: THE INTENTION OF

THE HEART IS IN THAT

PROCESS, TOO.

THIS IS MARIA WHO SAYS, "HOW

CAN I FACE MEAN PEOPLE IN

THEIR CRITICISM ABOUT ME?"

Pat: I THINK YOU OUGHT

TO REFER THEM TO THE LORD.

I THINK YOU OUGHT TO REALIZE

WHAT GOD SAYS ABOUT YOU.

AND I THINK YOU NEED TO

SATURATE YOURSELF IN THE

WORD.

AND THE BIBLE SAYS YOU'RE

PRECIOUS.

I'M PARAPHRASING NOW, BUT

THERE IS NOBODY ELSE IN ALL

OF THE WORLD, JESUS CHRIST

WOULD STILL HAVE DIED FOR

YOU.

IF HE WOULD HAVE DIED FOR

YOU, THEN YOU'RE PRECIOUS.

AND WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT

MAKE WHAT PEOPLE SAY.

YOU JUST HAVE TO IGNORE

THESE THINGS.

I TALKED TO SOMEBODY

YESTERDAY, WHO IS IN PUBLIC

OFFICE, AND WHO HAD BAD

THINGS WRITTEN.

AND I SAID, LISTEN, I WANT

YOU TO REMEMBER SOMETHING.

THEY WRAP FISH AND

YESTERDAY'S NEWSPAPERS.

AND MOST PEOPLE DON'T

REMEMBER WHAT WAS SAID IN

THE PAPER A DAY AFTER IT WAS

WRITTEN.

SO DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.

LOOK AT WHAT GOD SAYS.

AND GOD SAYS YOU'RE

PRECIOUS.

SO THAT'S HOW YOU HANDLE

PEOPLE WHO ARE -- JUST

IGNORE PEOPLE WHO ARE SAYING

MEAN THINGS.

I KNOW THAT IS EASY ENOUGH

TO SAY, BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU

HAVE TO DO.

YOU SHUT YOUR EARS TO THAT

AND OPEN YOUR EYES AND EARS

TO WHAT GOD SAYS ABOUT YOU.

Terry: THIS IS A VIEWER

WHO SAYS, "MY HOUSE IS

HAUNTED.

THERE IS MOANING COMING FROM

THE WALLS, LIGHTS TURN ON

AND OFF, AND THE TV CHANGES

CHANNELS ON ITS OWN, THE

BEDS MOVE, MIRRORS BREAK,

AND THERE IS SOMETIMES A

CREEPY FOG.

THE GHOSTS LOOK LIKE PEOPLE,

BUT HAVE DARK BLUE LIGHT

AROUND THEIR FEET AND

HANDS.

WHAT DO I DO?"

Pat: IF IT WAS ME, I'D

BURN THE HOUSE DOWN AND MOVE

ON.

ASSUMING YOU CAN'T AFFORD

THAT THAT -- I DON'T

BELIEVE IN GHOSTS.

I DON'T BELIEVE THE BIBLE

SUPPORTS THE CONCEPT OF

PEOPLE COMING BACK TO HAUNT

HOUSES.

THEY'RE WALKING THE HALLS

BECAUSE THEY WERE MURDERED

AND THEY'RE LOOKING FOREST

AND SOLACE.

BUT I DO BELIEVE IN DEMONS.

THE BIBLE CLEARLY SAYS THERE

ARE DEMONS.

THERE ARE FALLEN ANGELS.

AND THERE ARE DEMONIC

FORCES.

YOU NEED TO GET PEOPLE TO

COME AND DO AN EXORCISM OVER

THAT PROPERTY AND COMMAND

THOSE DEMONS TO LEAVE.

THAT'S WHAT YOU DO.

YOU TAKE AUTHORITY IN THE

NAME OF JESUS.

IF YOU CAN'T DO THAT, MOVE.

Terry: THIS IS BROOK,

SHE NEEDS SOME WISE COUNSEL,

PAT.

"MY HUSBAND OF EIGHT YEARS

WALKED OUT ON ME TO BE WITH

HIS GIRLFRIEND AND REFUSES

TO DIVORCE ME.

AFTER A WHILE, I STARTED TO

DATE AGAIN AND GOT

PREGNANT.

HE STILL REFUSES TO DIVORCE

ME, BUT NOW THAT I'M GETTING

BACK RIGHT WITH GOD, WHERE

DOES THAT LEAVE MY SON.

MY SON NEEDS HIS FATHER AND

DESERVES TO HAVE A FULL

FAMILY."

Pat: JESUS GAVE AS A

REASON FOR DIVORCE SEXUAL

IMMORTALITY AND ADULTERY.

YOUR HUSBAND IS CLEARLY

COMMITTING ADULTERY.

AND HE WON'T GIVE YOU A

DIVORCE?

HE DOESN'T HAVE TO GIVE YOU

A DIVORCE IN TODAY'S LEGAL

SYSTEM.

YOU CAN ASK FOR YOUR OWN

DIVORCE.

YOU DON'T EVEN NEED

GROUNDS.

IT IS WHAT THEY CALL

NO-FAULT DIVORCE.

SO IF YOU WANT A SEPARATION,

AND YOU CAN BACK UP -- IT

MAY BE BECAUSE HE WON'T DO

ANYTHING FINANCIALLY FOR

YOU, BUT HE IS NOT DOING

ANYTHING NOW.

BUT YOU DEFINITELY NEED TO

SEVER THE TIES WITH THE OLD

RELATIONSHIP.

YOUR HUSBAND SOUNDS LIKE AN

AWFUL PERSON, BUT THERE ARE

MANY MEN WE CAN CLASSIFY

THAT WAY AND IT'S A SHAME.

NEVERTHELESS, YOU NEED TO

GET OUT.

SO GET A LAWYER AND GET A

PROPER DIVORCE.

AND THEN IF THIS IS THE NEW

MAN, YOU CAN MARRY HIM.

YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN

HAVING SEX WITH HIM BEFORE

YOU WERE MARRIED.

YOU MADE A MISTAKE.

BUT YOU SAY I WANT TO GET

BACK TO GOD.

SO GOD WILL FORGIVE YOU.

GOD WANTS TO MAKE EVERYTHING

RIGHT.

BUT YOU'VE GOT TO GO BACK

AND GET THE LEGAL STEPS.

GET DIVORCED.

GET REMARRIED, AND THEN GET

ON WITH YOUR LIFE.

Terry: AND LIVE WITH

THE LORD.

Pat: AND LIVE WITH THE

LORD AND GOD WILL FORGIVE

AND GOD WILL BLESS YOU.

Terry: THAT'S ALL THE

TIME WE HAVE FOR TODAY, BUT

WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR

QUESTIONS.

COMING UP, WE WANT YOU TO

MEET THE SILICON BUSINESSMAN

WHO IS USING SOCIAL MEDIA TO

BRING MILLIONS OF PEOPLE

TOGETHER TO PRAY FOR EACH

OTHER AND AMERICA.

FIND OUT HOW YOU CAN BE A

PART OF IT WHEN WE COME

BACK.

Terry: SOCIAL MEDIA

SOMETIMES GETS A BAD RAP,

BUT YOU'RE BOW T ABOUT TO

SEE HOW IT ONE MAN TO

MOBILIZED MILLIONS OF

PEOPLE.

Reporter: PRESIDENT

OBAMA USED SOCIAL MEDIA TO

GENERATE MOMENTUM AND

SUPPORT.

BUSINESSMAN MARK RY RYMAN

THOUGHT HE COULD DO THE SAME

THING.

LAST YEAR HE BECAME PARTNERS

WITH ONLINE PRAYER GROUPS

AND STARTED

newlifeAmerica.com HE IS

BRINGING MILLIONS TOGETHER

TO PRAY FOR EACH OTHER AND

OUR COUNTRY.

Terry: POLICE WELCOME

TO "THE 700

CLUB," MARK

RYMAN.

IT IS GOOD TO HAVE YOU.

THANK YOU, TERRY.

IT IS GOOD TO BE HERE.

Terry: YOU WERE A

SUCCESSFUL BUSINESSMAN.

WHAT MOTIVATED YOU TO GO IN

THIS DIRECTION?

TERRY, OUR COUNTRY NEEDS

GOD.

IN SILICON VALLEY WE NOW HOW

TO ORGANIZE PEOPLE.

WE THOUGHT, CAN WE GET

MILLIONS OF PEOPLE PRAYING

FOR AMERICA.

Terry: WHAT A GREAT

IDEA.

IT IS CALLED

NEWLIFEAMERICA.COM?

YES.

AND YOU CAN GO TO

Facebook.

WE HAVE A COMMUNITY OF ABOUT

A MILLION PEOPLE THERE RIGHT

NOW.

AND THEY'RE CONNECTED TO

96 MILLION PEOPLE ONLINE.

SO WE'VE GOT A GOOD SEGMENT

OF THE COUNTRY THAT ARE

CHRISTIANS, THAT CAN BE

REACHED TO PRAY FOR

AMERICA.

Terry: YOU, I'M SURE,

HAD RESPONSE FROM PEOPLE IN

THE TIME YOU'VE BEEN DOING

IT.

HOW ARE PEOPLE RESPONDING TO

PARTICIPATING IN THIS AND

EVEN FINDING OUT ABOUT IT?

PEOPLE FIND OUT IN A

VARIETY OF WAYS, MOSTLY

THROUGH FRIENDS.

THEY PARTICIPATE BY COMING

ON TO PRAY.

WE HAVE HUNDREDS OF

THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE EACH

WEEK WHO PRAY FOR EACH

OTHER, PRAY FOR OUR COUNTRY,

AND SUPREME COURT

DECISIONS.

RICH, POOR, BLACK, WHITE,

OLD, YOUNG, PEOPLE ALL

PRAYING FOR AMERICA.

Terry: HOW DOES THAT

WORK?

DO YOU GIVE

SOME

FORM AND

DIRECTION TO?

DO PEOPLE JUST COME IN AND

DO IT INDEPENDENTLY?

YOU GO TO Facebook, NEW

LIFE AMERICA, AND EVERY DAY

YOU'LL GET MESSAGES

ENCOURAGING YOU TO PRAY.

WE MIGHT HAVE SOMEONE COMING

ON PRAYING FOR INDIVIDUAL

NEEDS, LIKE CANCER.

OR FOR THE HOBBY LOBBY COURT

DECISION.

AND THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE CAN

COME AND GET TOGETHER AND

PRAY IN A UNITED WAY FOR OUR

COUNTRY.

Terry: THIS IS SO

EXCITING.

I AM SOMETIMES FRUSTRATED

WITH SOCIAL

MEDIA BECAUSE I

THINK THERE IS SO MUCH THAT

IS NEGATIVE ABOUT IT,

ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE A

PARENT AND YOU'RE TRYING TO

RAISE YOUR KIDS IN A WORLD

THAT IS FILLED WITH ALL

KINDS OF TEMPTATION AND

THINGS.

BUT IT REALLY CAN BE USED IN

A VERY POWERFUL WAY.

WHAT WAS YOUR GOAL WHEN YOU

STARTED THIS?

WHAT DO YOU HOPE TO

ACCOMPLISH WITH THIS?

GOD GAVE US THE FORMULA,

SO TO IS SPEAK, IN THE

BIBLE, IF WE PRAY AND HUMBLE

OURSELVES AND TURN FROM OUR

WICKED WAYS, HE WILL HEAR

AND FORGIVE.

WE SAID, HOW CAN YOU GET

80 MILLION AMERICANS AND

CHRISTIANS PRAYER TOGETHER.

WE NEED TO PRAY FOR OUR

SINS, AND PRAY THAT GOD WILL

BRING HEALING TO AMERICA.

Terry: WHO IS BEHIND

ALL OF THIS?

HOW MANY ARE IN A LEADERSHIP

CAPACITY?

THERE IS A SMALL TEAM OF

PEOPLE WHO DO THIS, MOSTLY

YOUNG PEOPLE, CENTERED OUT

OF SILICON VALLEY IN

CALIFORNIA.

WE HAVE JOINED TOGETHER

NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER,

NATIONAL PRAYER COMMITTEE --

EVERYONE IS GETTING TOGETHER

TO JOIN ONLINE TO PRAY.

Terry: THAT IS SO

EXCITING.

I THINK OF THE PSALM WHERE

IT SAYS HOW GOOD AND

WONDERFUL IT IS WHEN

BRETHREN COME TOGETHER IN

COMMUNITY.

BECAUSE GOD SAYS HE WILL

COMMAND A BLESSING.

AND OUR COUNTRY NEEDS A

BLESSING.

ABSOLUTELY.

OUR COUNTRY WAS GREAT AND

CAN BE GREAT AGAIN.

Terry: HOW CAN I

VIEWERS PARTICIPATE?

YOU CAN GO TO

Facebook.

Facebook.COM/NEW LIFE

AMERICA.

WHEN YOU GO THERE, START

GETTING INVOLVED AND PRAY

FOR AMERICA.

Terry: PRAY FOR

AMERICA, AS WELL AS THE

INDIVIDUAL NEEDS ON THERE.

WHAT A WONDERFUL IDEA.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

Terry: IF YOU WOULD

LIKE MORE INFORMATION ON

MARK RYEMER, ALL YOU HAVE TO

DO IS LOG ON TO OUR WEBSITE

AT CBN.COM.

MARK, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

PAYER THANK YOU, TERRY.

Pat: I'M SO GLAD

Facebook IS BEING USED

REDEMPTIVELY.

IT OFTEN ISN'T.

WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF YOUR

HUSBAND DIED, AND WITHOUT

YOUR KNOWING, HE IS SPENDING

90 MINUTES IN HEAVEN.

WHAT HAPPENS TO YOU?

YOU'RE THE WIFE.

EVA PFIZER IS GOING TO GIVE

US HER DESCRIPTION OF THE

SHOCK SHE WENT THROUGH WHEN

HER HUSBAND WAS IN HEAVEN

WITHOUT HER KNOWING WHERE HE

HAD GONE.

SHE THOUGHT HE WAS DEAD.

HERE IS WHAT THE BIBLE SAID,

1 PETER: "CAST ALL OF YOUR

CARE UPON HIM, FOR HE CARES

FOR YOU."

THAT'S ALL THE TIME WE HAVE

FOR THIS PROGRAM.

THANKS SO MUCH FOR BEING

WITH US.

REMEMBER, IF YOU HAVE A

PRAYER NEED, YOU WANT SOME

COUNSELLING, THE TELEPHONE

NUMBER IS THERE.

IT IS A TOLL-FREE NUMBER, 24

HOURS A DAY SOMEBODY IS

THERE WHO LOVES YOU.

WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING

YOU AGAIN TOMORROW AT THIS

SAME TIME.

BYE-BYE.