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Killing Egypt’s Christians: ‘She Was Our Only Little Child’

Radical Muslims still blame Christians for the uprising in Egypt. Georgas' wife was at home the evening they got the call that changed their lives forever. Read Transcript


George: JULY 3rd,

2013, AS THE SUN SETS OVER

CAIRO, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS

OF EYPTIANS CELEBRATE IN

TAHRIR, OR LIBERATION

SQUARE.

IT WAS GAME OVER FOR

MOHAMMED MORSI.

THE CHIEF JUSTICE OF THE

SUPREME CONSTITUTIONAL COURT

WILL RULE THE COUNTRY DURING

THAT TRANSITIONAL PERIOD.

MOHAMMED MORSI.

MOHAMMED MORSI WAS AN

ISLAMIST LEADER WHO HAD BIG

DREAMS FOR EGYPT.

George: AS EGYPT'S

FIRST DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED

ISLAMIST PRESIDENT, MORSI

ALSO LED THE RADICAL MUSLIM

BROTHERHOOD.

BUT AFTER JUST ONE YEAR IN

OFFICE, EYPTIANS HAD HAD

ENOUGH.

BULLUS JOINED THE MILLIONS,

DEMANDING HE STEP DOWN.

THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD

BELIEVED MORSI WAS GOING TO

BRING BACK THE GLORY OF

EGYPT, AND TURN IT INTO AN

ISLAMIC COUNCIL.

Reporter: THAT WORRIED

BULUS BECAUSE HE IS PART OF

THE 10% OR SO OF EGYPT'S

POPULATION THAT IS

CHRISTIAN.

EVERYONE KNEW WE WERE

ALSO PROTESTING AGAINST THE

MORSI GOVERNMENT.

George: SABIR, A

PROMINENT CHRISTIAN,

BELIEVES MORSI'S REMOVAL WAS

NOTHING SHORT OF A MIRACLE.

CHRISTIANS FELT LIKE A

HEAVY BURDEN HAD BEEN

REMOVED FROM OUR NATION.

WE NEVER COULD HAVE IMAGINED

SUCH AN OUTCOME WAS

POSSIBLE, BUT WE PRAYED AND

GOD ANSWERED.

George: BUT THEN CAME

THE ISLAMIC THREATS.

WE STARTED RECEIVING

MESSAGES ON TELEVISION, IN

MOSQUE, AND ON THE STREETS.

PEOPLE SAYING THEY WERE

GOING TO KILL CHRISTIANS FOR

DEMONSTRATING AGAINST MORSI

AND THE BROTHERHOOD.

THEY SAID OUR FAMILY, OUR

CHILDREN, OUR HOMES AND

BUSINESSES WOULD BE

TARGETED.

George: AND IT TURNED

OUT EGYPTIAN CHRISTIANS HAD

EVERY REASON TO BE

CONCERNED.

THE STREET WERE QUIET

THAT EVENING.

I REMEMBER THERE WEREN'T TOO

MANY CARS ON THE ROAD.

NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE WALKING

AROUND.

George: BULUS' WIFE WAS

AT HOME, THE NIGHT THEY GOT

THE CALL THAT CHANGED THEIR

LIVES FOREVER.

MY FRIEND WAS SCREAMING

ON THE PHONE, JESSE HAS BEEN

SHOT!

JESSE HAS BEEN SHOT!

George: THE DAY WAS

AUGUST 6th, AND JESSE HAD

JUST WALKED OUT OF CHURCH,

HAVING FINISHED NINE DAYS OF

A 10-DAY VACATION BIBLE

SCHOOL.

SHE HAD WALKED DOWN THIS

VERY STREET, AND CAME TO

THIS SPOT THAT I'M STANDING

AT.

AND ONE SINGLE SHOT TO THE

HEART ENDED HER LIFE.

JESSE WAS OUR ONLY LITTLE

CHILD.

SHE WAS A WONDERFUL PERSON.

SHE WAS ONLY 10 YEARS OLD.

WHEN SHE TURNED 10, I

COULD SEE OUR LITTLE GIRL

SLOWLY TURNING INTO A

BEAUTIFUL YOUNG LADY.

SHE WAS MY DAUGHTER; SHE WAS

MY FRIEND.

George: THOUGH NO ONE

HAS CLAIMED RESPONSIBILITY,

JESSE'S PARENTS BELIEVE SH

WATHAT SHE WAS KILLED

BECAUSE OF HER FAITH.

BECAUSE WE SUPPORTED

MORSI'S REMOVAL AND THE

ARMY'S CRACKDOWN ON THE

BROTHERHOOD, RADICAL MUSLIMS

ARE LIKE BOMBS, READY TO

EXPLODE AGAINST CHRISTIANS.

George: THAT FURY

EXPLODED DAYS AFTER JESSE'S

MURDER.

[YELLING]

George: ON

AUGUST 14th, HOURS AFTER

THE ARMY VIOLENTLY BROKE UP

TWO BROTHERHOOD PROTESTS

CAMPED IN CAIRO, MORSI

SYMPATHIZERS LAUNCHED

REVENGE ATTACKS AGAINST

CHRISTIANS.

AND WHEN IT WAS ALL OVER,

THEY HAD DESTROYED MORE THAN

200 CHRISTIAN-OWNED

PROPERTIES, SOME 43 CHURCHES

SERIOUSLY DAMAGED.

SHOPS, BUSINESSES, CARS, AND

HOMES BELONGING TO

CHRISTIANS WERE ALSO

TARGETED.

MOST OF THE ATTACKS HAPPENED

IN CENTRAL EGYPT.

IT WAS THE WORST ORGANIZED

VIOLENCE AGAINST CHRISTIANS

IN 700 YEARS.

DR. SAM ADSAD, A RECENT

UNIVERSITY GRAD AND NATIVE

OF EGYPT SAYS AUTHORITIES

DID LITTLE TO STOP THE

ATTACKS OR IDENTIFY THOSE

RESPONSIBLE.

HE IS BASED IN THE U.S. AND

TRAVELS FREQUENTLY TO

EGYPT.

CBN NEWS MET HIM IN CAIRO,

WHILE HE MINISTERED TO

PASTORS WHO HAD LOST CHURCH

BUILDINGS DURING THE

ASSAULT.

MOST OF THE PASTORS

AFFECTED ARE SO POOR, SO THE

LORD HELPS US THROUGH OUR

FRIENDS IN AMERICA TO MEET

SOME OF THEIR FINANCIAL AND

PHYSICAL NEEDS.

THE PASTORS ARE GRATEFUL

THAT PEOPLE IN THE U.S.

STOOD BEHIND THEM.

George: FOUR MONTHS

AFTER MORSI'S REMOVAL,

PEOPLE HERE ARE WORRIED

ABOUT AN ISLAMIC-LED

INSURGENT INSURGENCY

AGAINST CHRISTIANS AND THE

NEW GOVERNMENT.

MASS GUNMEN PULLED UP TO A

CHRISTIAN WEDDING AT A

CHURCH IN CAIRO AND KILLED

FOUR PEOPLE, INCLUDING AN

8-YEAR-OLD GIRL.

THEY ARE TARGETING ALL OF

EGYPT, NOT ONLY THE

CHRISTIANS.

THIS IS ENOUGH.

PEOPLE ARE GETTING SICK AND

TIRED OF THIS.

George: WITH THE

SPECTOR OF CHRISTIAN

VIOLENCE STILL RISING, BULUS

AND HIS WIFE RESOLVE TO

MINISTER TO THEIR

COUNTRYMEN.

AFTER JESSE'S DEATH, GOD

GAVE US A BIGGER DESIRE TO

PRAY FOR THE TERRORISTS AND

OUR COUNTRY.

NOT JUST FOR CHRISTIANS, BUT

FOR MUSLIMS, TOO.

ONLY GOD CAN OPEN HEARTS AND

EYES TO SEE THE TRUTH AND

EXPERIENCE HIS LOVE.

George: GEORGE THOMAS,

CBN NEWS, CAIRO.

Pat: YOU HAVE NOT YET

RESISTED TO THE SHEDDING OF

BLOOD, THE BIBLE SAYS.

THE EGYPTIAN COPTICS HAVE

RESISTED TO THE SHEDDING OF

BLOOD.

AND THE THING THAT STRIKES

YOU WHEN YOU HEAR THEIR

TESTIMONY, IS THEY'RE NOT

BITTER OR FILED WITH

HATRED.

THERE IS ALWAYS A SENSE OF A

SUBMISSION TO THE WILL OF

THE LORD.

BUT, FOLKS, WE NEED TO PRAY

FOR THOSE PEOPLE.

OUR GOVERNMENT HAS MADE A

TRAGIC MISTAKE IF THEY THINK

THEY CAN COZY UP TO THE

MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD.

THE BROTHERHOOD IS EVIL.

IT IS INTENT ON DOMINATION.

IT IS INTENT ON SETTING UP

SHARI'A THROUGHOUT THE WORLD

AND THE REIGN OF ISLAM.

AND THE MILITARY IS DOING

WHAT WE HOPED EVERYBODY

WOULD DO, THEIR PRO-NATION.

AS CHRISTIANS, WE NEED TO

SUPPORT OUR BROTHERS AND

SISTERS.

IF NOTHING ELSE, PRAY FOR

THEM.

Wendy: UP NEXT, AN

EXOTIC VACATION LEAVES A MOM

WITH A TOXIC SICKNESS.

FOR SOME PEOPLE, IT ENDS

IN DEATH.

I FELT LIKE I WAS IN A

COMA.

I COULDN'T MOVE OR OPEN MY

EYES OR MOVE MY HEAD.

Wendy: HERE THE CALL

THAT BECAME A WAKEUP CALL.

BUT FIRST, BACK BY POPULAR

DEMAND.

PRINCESS MAGGIE JOINS US,

RIGHT AFTER THIS.

Pat: FOR ALL OF YOU

ANIMAL-LOVERS, I HAVE A

TREAT FOR YOU TODAY.

THIS IS THE DOG, PRINCESS

MAGGIE, WHO IS LOOKING INTO

THE CAMERA.

COME ON, MAGGIE.

HERE, SWEETHEART.

Wendy: SO NICE TO MEET

YOU, PRINCESS MAGGIE.

Pat: ALL RIGHT,

SWEETIE.

HERE YOU GO.

BEHAVE YOURSELF AND DO GOOD

THINGS FOR ME.

LIE DOWN.

THAT'S A GIRL.

ISN'T SHE SWEET.

Wendy: I LOVE HER

HAIR.

Pat: ISN'T THAT

LOVELY.

GET OUT OF MY TEA.

[LAUGHTER]

Pat: SIT.

Wendy: WOW!

Pat: CAN YOU SPEAK?

SPEAK!

SHE JUST --

Wendy: SHE HAS SO MUCH

ENERGY.

HOW OLD IS SHE?

Pat: SHE IS ABOUT TWO.

SIT DOWN.

SHAKE HANDS.

MAGGIE, SHAKE HANDS.

THAT'S A GIRL.

DON'T WORRY ABOUT HIM.

Wendy: MAGGIE, SHAKE MY

HAND.

Pat: LIE DOWN.

ROLL OVER.

ROLL OVER, COME ON, ROLL

OVER.

THAT A GIRL.

[LAUGHTER]

Pat: GO TALK TO WENDY.

Wendy: PRINCESS MAGGIE,

SHAKE MY HAND.

SHE'S ONLY GOING TO DO IT

FOR PAPA.

Pat: ONE MORE TIME.

JUMP.

Wendy: OH, MY

GOODNESS.

Pat: YOU GO WITH

HUMBERTO, AND I'LL SEE YOU

LATER.

Wendy: SHE DID IT.

THAT JUMP.

SHE'S BACK.

Pat: THERE YOU GO.

SHE IS WITH HUMBERTO.

SHE LOVES HUMBERTO.

ISN'T SHE SWEET?

Wendy: WHAT A BEAUTIFUL

DOG.

AND I LOVE THAT JUMP.

YOU TAUGHT HER TO DO THAT?

Pat: OF COURSE.

I'M A HORSE TRAINER, DOG

TRAINER, TV HOST.

[LAUGHTER]

Pat: SHE IS AN IRISH

WATER SPANIEL.

Wendy: THAT'S WHY SHE

HAS SO MUCH ENERGY, SHE IS

STILL KIND OF A PUPPY.

PARM AND

Pat: SHE IS FUN.

Wendy: NO CURE AND NO

TREATMENT.

THAT'S WHY ANGELA WAS TOLD

ABOUT THE EXOTIC INFECTION

SHE PICKED UP ON VACATION.

WITHIN WEEKS, IT LEFT HER

BEDRIDDEN AND HOPELESS.

TAKE A LOOK.

Reporter: THE HUNTLEY

FAMILY HAD A WONDERFUL TIME

ON THEIR VACATION IN THE

DOMINICAN REPUBLIC, BUT WHEN

THEY CAME HOME, ANGELA

BECAME ILL.

TWO WEEKS AFTER WE GOT

HOME, I HAD WHAT WAS VIRAL.

I FELT MYSELF NOT BEING ABLE

TO GET OFF THE COUCH.

MY LIMBS FELT SO HEAVY.

IT STARTED TO BECOME HARD TO

LIFT MY HEAD AND SOMETIMES

TO BREATHE.

WE'RE TESTING FOR THIS AND

TESTING FOR THIS, BUT

EVERYTHING SHOWED UP FINE.

SO THE DOCTORS SEEM

FRUSTRATED IN ME, THAT MAYBE

IT WAS ALL IN MY MIND.

NOW AT THIS POINT, I LOST

EIGHT WEEKS OF MY LIFE.

IT STARTED TO APPEAR

HOPELESS.

Reporter: A DOCTOR, WHO

WAS A FAMILY FRIEND, BEGAN

INVESTIGATING ANGELA'S

SYMPTOMS, IN HOPES OF

DISCOVERING A REASON FOR HER

ILLNESS.

I KNEW HE WAS DIGGING.

I GOT A CALL, AND THEY TOLD

ME THEY FOUND -- THERE IS A

CONDITION CALLED SIGWATERA,

AND HE FOUND AT THE TIME

THAT THE ONLY PLACE THAT WAS

TESTING FOR THIS SOC SIN

TOXIN AND COULD GIVE YOU A

POSITIVE TEST WAS THE

UNIVERSITY OF HAWAII,

BECAUSE THEY WERE CONDUCTING

A STUDY.

Reporter: IT IS A FOOD

BORNE ILLNESS THAT COMES

FROM EATING TROPICAL AND SUB

TROPICAL FISH.

SEVERAL DAYS LATER, I WE

GOT BACK POSITIVE

INFORMATION THAT I HAD

SIGWATERA.

I WASN'T EATING RAW FISH.

EVERYTHING WAS COOKED WELL,

AND THEY WERE VERY COMMON

FISH.

Reporter: THE TOXIN IS

ODORLESS, TASTELESS, AND

VERY HEAT RESISTANT,

VIRTUALLY UNDETECT TABLE.

UNFORTUNATELY, THERE IS NO

TREATMENT AND NO CURE.

FOR SOME PEOPLE, IT ENDS

IN DEATH.

SOME PEOPLE THE SICKNESS

RUNS A COURSE OF OF, LIKE,

25 YEARS.

I FELT LIKE I WAS IN A

COMA.

I COULDN'T OPEN MY EYES OR

MOVE MY HEAD, BUT I COULD

HEAR EVERYTHING.

I COULD HEAR MY CHILDREN

PLAYING AND I COULD HEAR

OTHER PEOPLE TAKING CARE OF

THEM.

I KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON,

BUT I COULDN'T PARTICIPATE.

I HAD MY HUSBAND TAKE ME TO

THE ELDERS OF OUR CHURCH AT

THE TIME, AND THEY ANOINTED

ME AND PAID FOR ME.

I REMEMBER ONE OF MY PASTORS

LOOKED AT ME AS I LEFT, AND

SHE SAID, ANGIE, HAVE YOU

THANKED GOD IN THIS?

AND MY HEART JUST BROKE WHEN

HE SAID THAT BECAUSE I

THOUGHT I KNOW THE

SCRIPTURES.

AND I KNOW I'M SUPPOSED TO

THANK HIM.

AND I HADN'T.

IT WAS SO DIFFICULT TO START

SPEAKING OUT GRATITUDE FOR

SOMETHING THAT I HATED SO

MUCH.

BECAUSE I DID HATE THE

SICKNESS.

I WAS BEING ROBBED.

I WAS BEING ROBBED OF TIME

WITH MY KIDS.

I MISSED CHRISTMAS.

I MISSED 12 WEEKS OF MY

LIFE.

BUT YET, EVERY TIME I SPOKE

OUT, THANK YOU FOR THIS.

THANK YOU THAT I DON'T

UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON,

AND THANK YOU THAT I DON'T

EVEN KNOW IF I'M GOING TO

LIVE TO SEE ANOTHER DAY, I

JUST KEPT HEARING BECAUSE I

WILL BE GLORIFIED.

AND I WOULD SAY THAT,

BECAUSE YOU WILL BE

GLORIFIED IN THIS.

I FELT MYSELF YELLING,

BECAUSE YOU WILL BE

GLORIFIED!

BECAUSE YOU WILL BE

GLORIFIED!

Reporter: ANGELA WASN'T

HEALED AT THAT MOMENT, BUT

SOMETHING SHIFTED.

AS SHE FOUND STRENGTH IN

PRAISING GOD, HER HEALING

WOULD COME WITH REVELATION.

WHEN YOU SPEAK GRATITUDE,

THE ENEMY DOESN'T SPEAK THAT

LANGUAGE.

I FELT SOMETHING BREAK

DURING THAT TIME.

I LEARNED ABOUT SOZO, WHICH

IS A GREEK WORD.

IT IS IN THE NEW TESTAMENT

110 TIMES, AND ITS

TRANSLATION IS PHYSICALLY

HEALED, REDEEMED, DELIVERED,

AND RESCUED.

IN THAT MOMENT, SOMETHING

CHANGED INSIDE OF ME.

THERE WAS, LIKE, A SWITCH

THAT WENT OFF.

AND THE LORD SAID TO ME, YOU

NEVER EVER DOUBT I'M YOUR

SAVIOR, BUT I'M YOUR HEALER

JUST AS MUCH AS I AM YOUR

SAVIOR.

YOU CAN'T JUST HAVE PART OF

ME.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE ALL OF ME.

AND IT HIT ME, AS MUCH AS I

AM SAVED, I AM HEALED.

AND I UNDERSTAND WHY SO MANY

PEOPLE -- WHY JESUS SAID

YOUR FAITH HAS MADE YOU WELL

BECAUSE SOMETHING SWITCHED

IN ME.

I JUST KNEW I WAS HEALED.

MY HUSBAND CAME DOWNSTAIRS

DOWNSTAIRS, AND I'M LAYING

THERE, PROPPED UP, AND I'M,

LIKE, GOD JUST HEALED ME.

AND I GOT UP.

I MEAN, I GOT UP.

AND MY KIDS WERE RIGHT THERE

IN THE LIVING ROOM, AND WE

JUST, LIKE, LOOKED AT EACH

OTHER AND STARTED LAUGHING

AND SCREAMING.

AND WE TURNED ON MUSIC AND

WE STARTED DANCING.

AND I KNEW I WAS HEALED.

I WAS OVERWHELMED.

I WAS SO OVERWHELMED BY THE

HEALING THAT IN THAT MOMENT,

I LOOKED IN THE EYES OF MY

FOUR LITTLE BOYS AND I

REALIZED THEY WOULD ALWAYS

KNOW, AND NEVER DOUBT, THAT

JESUS IS HEALING.

Wendy: ANGELA FIGURED

IT OUT, PAT.

Pat: ISN'T THAT

WONDERFUL?

Wendy: IS THERE

ANYTHING TOO HARD FOR GOD?

Pat: HERE IS ONE BY THE

WAY, NORMAN, WHO LIVES IN

WASHINGTON, HAD A CLICK IN

HIS KNEE.

AND WENDY, YOU HAD A WORD OF

KNOWLEDGE ABOUT A KNEE BEING

HEALED, AND NORMAN SAID,

I'LL TAKE IT, AND THE PAIN

IS GONE AND HIS KNEE IS

FINE.

Wendy: 30-YEAR-OLD

SHANELLE, FROM FLORIDA, HAD

A BUNCH OF DARK SPOTS ON HER

HANDS, WHICH RESEMBLED BURN

MARKS.

AND LAST WEEK SHE WAS

WATCHING "THE 700 CLUB" WHEN

THE HOST READ AN ANSWER TO

PRAYER WHO'S RED MARKS WERE

HEALED, AND SHE HEARD PAT

GIVE A WORD OF KNOWLEDGE

ABOUT ANOTHER SKIN INFECTION

BEING HEALED.

JANELLE RECEIVED THAT WORD

FOR HERSELF, AND WITHIN TWO

DAYS BOTH OF HER HANDS WERE

COMPLETELY HEALED.

PRAISE GOD.

Pat: WENDY, WE KNOW GOD

LOVES THESE PEOPLE.

HE LOVES US, AND HE IS ABLE

TO DO EXCEEDINGLY AND ABD

ABUNDANTLY ABOVE WHAT YOU

CAN THINK.

WENDY AND I ARE GOING TO

JOIN HANDS.

YOU MAY BE IN THE HOSPITAL

WATCHING THIS TV, AND YOU

SAY, CAN THE LORD HEAL ME?

YES.

HE CAN FIX EVERYTHING.

MAYBE YOU'RE AT HOME, IN A

WHEELCHAIR, GOD WILL HEAL

YOU.

MAYBE YOU'RE IN A HOTEL,

MAYBE YOU'RE IN A

RESTAURANT, A BAR -- I DON'T

KNOW WHERE YOU ARE, BUT GOD

WILL ANSWER YOUR PRAYER.

WE JOIN HANDS RIGHT NOW.

FATHER, WITH YOU, ALL THINGS

ARE POSSIBLE.

EVERYTHING IS POSSIBLE WITH

YOU.

LORD, WE CAN'T DO IT.

WE CAN'T REACH ACROSS THESE

AIRWAVES AND HEAL PEOPLE,

BUT YOU CAN.

YOU ARE IN CHARGE OF THE

WHOLE UNIVERSE, GOD.

AND THIS IS NOTHING TO YOU.

YOU ARE A GREAT GOD.

YOU ARE THE AUTHOR OF ALL

THAT LIVES.

AND WE COME BEFORE YOU RIGHT

NOW, AND WE SAY IN THE NAME

OF JESUS, REACH OUT AND

TOUCH PEOPLE WHO ARE CRYING

OUT TO YOU RIGHT NOW.

IN THE NAME OF JESUS, CHRIST

OF NAZARETH, BE MADE WHOLE.

TOUCH THEM.

SOMEBODY HAS GOT A SWELLING

IN YOUR TONGUE.

AND IT'S REALLY A TERRIBLE

THING.

RIGHT NOW GOD HAS JUST

HEALED YOU.

JUST PRAISE HIM FOR YOU.

AND, WENDY, DO YOU HAVE

ANYTHING?

Wendy: KIDNEYS.

GOD IS TOUCHING KIDNEYS

RIGHT NOW.

PUT YOUR HAND ON YOUR

KIDNEYS AND RECEIVE THAT

HEALING.

Pat: SHOULDER MUSCLES

BEING HEALED BY THE POWER OF

GOD.

I BELIEVE IT IS AN ULCER, IF

NOT, IT IS A PAIN IN YOUR

ABDOMEN.

JUST PUT YOUR HAND IN THAT

AREA.

IN THE NAME OF JESUS, YOU

WILL FEEL FIRE.

YOU'RE MADE WHOLE IN JESUS'

NAME.

ANOTHER KNEE CONDITION HAS

BEEN HEALED.

AND SOMEBODY HAS GOT A

TWISTED TOE.

YOUR TOES ARE TWISTED.

AND AS I SPEAK AND WE SPEAK,

THOSE TOES ARE GOING TO

STRAIGHTEN OUT, ABSOLUTELY

WHOLE, IN JESUS' NAME.

FATHER, TAKE AWAY FEAR.

THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE

AFRAID.

IN THE NAME OF JESUS, WE

REBUKE A SPIRIT OF FEAR, FOR

FEAR HAS TORMENT.

IN THE NAME OF JESUS, BE SET

FREE.

THANK YOU, LORD.

BLESS YOU LORD.

AMEN, AND AMEN.

WHEREVER YOU ARE, PRAISE THE

LORD.

IF YOU WANT TO GIVE US A

CALL, I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR

WHAT THE LORD HAS DONE FOR

YOU.

GO TO YOUR TELEPHONE,

1-800-759-0700.

I'D LOVE TO HEAR WHAT GOD

HAS DONE FOR YOU.

PICK UP THE PHONE AND CALL.

WE WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM

YOU.

WENDY, WHAT IS NEXT?

Wendy: LINDA WANTS TO

KNOW, "IS IT OKAY TO TITHE

TO A FAMILY MEMBER?"

STANDARSTAY TUNED FOR THAT

ANSWER WHEN WE "BRING IT

ON."

WELCOME BACK TO

WASHINGTON FOR THIS CBN NEWS

BREAK.

A CHRISTIAN IMPRISONED IN

IRAN HAS BEEN SET FREE.

27-YEAR-OLD MUSTAFA WAS

RELEASED THREE MONTHS INTO

HIS 10-YEAR SENTENCE.

THEY CHARGED HIM WITH CRIMES

AGAINST NATIONAL SECURITY.

AN APPEALS COURT OVERTURNED

HIS CONVICTION LAST MONTH.

AFTER BLASTING THE U.S. FOR

ITS SUSPECTED N.S.A. SPYING,

BRAZIL HAS TO DEFEND ITS OWN

SPYING PRACTICES.

THEY HAVE SPIED ON

COUNTRIES, INCLUDING THE

UNITED STATES, RUSSIA, AND

IRAN.

THE REPORT SAYS BRAZIL SPIED

ON PROPERTY RENTED BY THE

U.S. EMBASSY IN BRAZIL.

THEY ACKNOWLEDGE THAT SPYING

TOOK PLACE, BUT SAYS THE

OPERATIONS WERE CARRIED OUT

WITHIN THE LAW.

YOU CAN ALWAYS GET THE

LATEST FROM CBN NEWS BY

GOING TO OUR WEBSITE AT

CBNNEWS.COM.

PAT AND WENDY WILL BE BACK

WITH MORE OF "THE 700 CLUB"

RIGHT AFTER THIS.

Pat: WELCOME BACK,

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

THANKSGIVING, CBN

THANKSGIVING, CBN CENTER,

AND WE WANT YOU TO KNOW WE

HAVE SOMETHING FOR YOU THAT

WE WANT TO GIVE YOU.

THIS IS THE KEYS TO A JOYFUL

THANKSGIVING.

HOLIDAY GIFTS ENCLOSED.

WATCH FOR THIS IN THE MAIL.

IT SHOULD BE ARRIVING AT

YOUR HOUSE.

THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL THING,

THE KEYS TO A JOYFUL

THANKSGIVING.

AND WE'VE GOT SOME SCRIPTURE

IN HERE FOR YOU.

AND ONE OF GORDON'S -- I

THINK HE EATS TOO MUCH, BUT

HE LOVES TO COOK.

[LAUGHTER]

Wendy: HE IS A

GOURMET.

Pat: GOURMET --

Wendy: I THINK YOU LIKE

TO EAT HIS COOKING, THOUGH.

Pat: HE IS A WONDERFUL

COOK.

Wendy: I BET YOU LIKE

TO EAT HIS COOKING?

Pat: I DO.

HE IS A LITTLE OBSESSED WITH

COOKING.

MY WIFE, BY THE WAY -- I

HAVE MY FAMOUS MINESTRONE

SOUP, AND MY WIFE DECIDED

SHE WAS GOING TO COOK SOME

ACCORDING TO MY RECIPE.

WE HAVE A BIG POT OF IT

COMING UP.

IT HAS TO SIT AND WAIT A

WHILE --

Wendy: I'VE GOT A COLD,

AND MAYBE THAT WILL BE GOOD

FOR MY COLD.

Pat: VERY GOOD FOR

U.THAT'S O YOU.

WHAT'S NEXT?

Wendy: LINDA WRITES, "I

KNOW SOMEONE WHO IS

SELF-EMPLOYED AND DIDN'T

HAVE A LARGE INCOME.

IN FACT, HE WAS GOING

WITHOUT MEDICATION HE NEEDS

BECAUSE HE CAN NO LONGER

AFFORD IT.

I'M LIVING PAYCHECK TO

PAYCHECK, AND I WOULD LIKE

TO HELP OUT.

BUT FRANKLY, I DON'T HAVE

MUCH LEFT AFTER GIVING 10%

OF MY INCOME TO THE CHURCH.

IS IT OKAY TO TITHE TO A

FAMILY MEMBER?"

Pat: I HATE TO QUENCH

THIS BENEVOLENT SPIRIT, BUT

I THINK GIVING TO YOUR

FAMILY IS LIKE GIVING TO

YOURSELF.

BY ALL MEANS, LOOK AFTER

YOUR FAMILY.

BUT THAT DOESN'T COUNT AS

TITHING.

BUT, I MEAN, MAYBE YOU CAN

HELP HIM A LITTLE BIT.

AND THERE MAY BE WAYS THAT

HE CAN GET MEDICINE A LITTLE

CHEAPER.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU CHECK THE

INTERNET, IT IS AMAZING.

SOMETIMES MEDICINE OVERSEAS

IS ONE-TENTH THE COST OF

WHAT IT IS IN AMERICA, AND

THEY CAN SHIP STUFF IN.

DON'T GET SOME FRAUD OUT

THERE, OBVIOUSLY, BUT THERE

ARE SOME GOOD ONES THAT ARE

HONORABLE.

INVESTIGATE AROUND.

BUT THAT DOESN'T COUNT AS

TITHING.

WHAT'S NEXT?

Wendy: BARBARA WRITES,

"WHEN PEOPLE HAVE A

NEAR-DEATH EXPERIENCE, CAN

THEY REALLY SEE WHAT HEAVEN

IS LIKE?

WOULD THEY REALLY SEE THEIR

LOVED ONES IN HUMAN FORM?

WOULD GOD LET THAT HAPPEN

AND THEN LET THEM GO BACK TO

EARTH TO TELL PEOPLE?"

Pat: WHEN YOU SAY WOULD

HE LET IT HAPPEN -- IT'S

HAPPENED TO MANY, MANY.

WE'VE DONE SPOTS ON THAT.

THERE WAS A MAN NAMED HOWARD

CANNESSER, AND HE DIED IN

THE PULPIT.

THEY WOKE HIM UP, AND THE

FIRST THING SOME OF HIS

CHURCH MEMBERS SAID, PASTOR,

WHAT DID YOU SEE?

IT IS AMAZING.

THEY HAVE COME BACK AND

DESCRIBED THIS WONDERFUL

EXPERIENCE.

I GIVE IT VALIDITY.

I THINK THEY ARE FOR REAL.

Wendy: A VIEWER WRITES,

"I'M A NEW CHRISTIAN, AND I

HAVE BEEN TEMPTED MANY TIMES

TO HAVE SEX.

I AM NOT MARRIED, AND I KNOW

I SHOULD NOT, BUT THE URGES

ARE SO STRONG.

WHAT SHOULD I DO TO RUN AWAY

FROM THIS PROBLEM?"

Pat: I CAN ONLY QUOTE

THE BIBLE.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOUR MALE OR

FEMALE, BUT THE URGES ARE

THERE.

GOD MADE US SEXUAL BEINGS.

THERE IS NOTHING SINFUL

ABOUT BEING THE WAY GOD MADE

YOU.

HE DID THAT SO THAT WE WOULD

REPRODUCE AND CARRY ON THE

RACE.

SO SEX IS PLEASURABLE, AND

THERE IS A DESIRE, MALE AND

FEMALE.

NOW, THE BIBLE SAYS IT'S

BETTER TO MARRY THAN TO BURN

WITH LUST.

THAT IS THE WORD OF THE

APOSTLE PAUL.

SO YOU SAY, HOW DO I RUN

AWAY FROM IT?

I JUST CAN'T TELL YOU HOW TO

RUN AWAY FROM WHAT YOU ARE.

BUT I DO KNOW IN THE BONDS

OF MATRIMONY, SEXUAL

RELATIONS ARE PERFECTLY

LEGITIMATE.

Wendy: SHIRLEY WRITES,

"WHEN THE BIBLE TELLS US TO

TITHE 10% OF OUR INCOME,

DOES THAT INCLUDE MONEY THAT

WE RECEIVED, FOR EXAMPLE,

FROM SELLING A CAR?"

Pat: IF YOU'RE SELLING

A CAR AT A PROFIT, GOD BLESS

YOU, YOU'RE IN THE TINY,

TINY MEGA.

I MAJORITY.

ONLY THE PROFIT.

NOT THE WHOLE AMOUNT OF THE

CAR.

Wendy: WHAT ABOUT THE

MONEY -- IF YOU GET MONEY

BACK FROM THE GOVERNMENT?

YOUR TAX RETURN.

SHOULD YOU TITHE ON THAT?

Pat: IF YOU CONSIDER

THAT ADDITIONAL INCOME, YOU

TITHE ON THAT.

YOU GET IT BACK FROM THE

GOVERNMENT, THAT MEANS IT IS

INCOME.

Wendy: CLAIRE

WRITES, "GOD GAVE ME A VOICE

TO SING, AND I WANT TO

GLORIFY GOD WITH MY VOICE.

BUT MY CHRISTIAN FRIENDS

HAVE ASKED ME TO STOP

PERFORMING SPECIAL MUSIC IN

CHURCH.

THEY SAY MY SINGING ONLY

GLORIFIES MYSELF AND NOT

GOD.

WHAT AM I TO DO HERE?"

Pat: WE ARE TO THINK

SOLELY ABOUT OUR GICHTS

GIFTS AND TALENTS.

MAYBE YOU AREN'T AS GIFTED

AS YOU THINK YOU ARE, AND

YOUR CHURCH MEMBERS ARE

TRYING TO TELL YOU NICELY TO

KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT.

Wendy: OR MAYBE THEIR

JEALOUS.

Pat: I DOUBT THAT.

TAKE VOICE LESSONS.

GET A FRANK APPRAISAL.

Wendy: "MY 14-YEAR-OLD

DAUGHTER WAS INVITED TO A

SLEEPOVER AT MY FRIEND'S

HOUSE.

I LATER FOUND OUT THAT

ANOTHER PERSON WOULD BE

SPENDING THE NIGHT AT THE

HOUSE, A MALE FRIEND.

I CALLED THE MOM, AND SHE

TOLD ME THERE WAS NO

PROBLEM.

AND SHE EVEN TOLD ME SHE

PRAYED ABOUT THE SITUATION,

AND GOD HAD GIVEN HER

PEACE.

WOULD GOD REALLY DO THAT?

IN CASE YOU WERE WONDERING,

MY DAUGHTER STAYED HOME THAT

NIGHT."

Pat: YOU'RE NOT

OVERREACTING AT

ALL.

I THOUGHT GIRLS HAD THEIR

HAIR

UP IN CURLERS -- IT

DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT, WHY

ANYBODY WOULD BRING A BOY

INTO A BUNCH OF LITTLE

TEENAGED GIRLS --

Wendy: IT'S TOTALLY

INAPPROPRIATE.

Pat:

NOT ONLY

INAPPROPRIATE, BUT IT'S

STUPID.

Wendy: IT IS PROBABLY

THE BOYFRIEND OF ONE OF THE

LITTLE GIRLFRIENDS.

Pat: WELL THEY SHOULD

HAVE ANOTHER VENUE.

MOTHER, YOU WERE DOING THE

RIGHT THING TO

KEEP YOUR

DAUGHTER OUT OF THAT

SITUATION.

Wendy: THANK YOU SO

MUCH, PAT.

GREAT ANSWERS AND SOME GREAT

QUESTIONS.

KEEP THEM COMING.

UP NEXT, HE IS THE PASTOR OF

THE CHURCH THAT NEVER

SLEEPS.

MATTHEW BARNETT REVEALS WHAT

MADE HIS MINISTRY ONE OF THE

FASTEST GROWING IN AMERICA,

RIGHT AFTER THIS.

*

Wendy: 19 YEARS AGO,

MATTHEW BARNETT PULLED OFF

THE INTERSTATE INTO A DAIRY

QUEEN.

HE DECIDED TO QUIT, TO GIVE

UP ON HIS VISION TO PLAN A

CHURCH IN THE HEART OF L.A.

MATTHEW MADE SEVERAL MORE

SIMILAR STOPS IN THE DAYS

AHEAD, BUT HE ALWAYS TURNED

BACK.

TAKE A LOOK.

Reporter: MATTHEW

BARNETT IS PASTOR OF THE

HISTORIC TEMPLE IN

LOS ANGELES, ONE OF THE

FASTEST GROWING CHURCHES IN

AMERICA.

LIKE HIS FATHER, MEGA CHURCH

PASTOR TOMMY BARNETT,

MATTHEW HAD LONG DREAMED OF

PASTORING A LARGE CHURCH.

BUT WHEN HE LANDED IN A

DWINDLING, IMPOVERISHED

CHURCH ON L.A.'S SKID ROW,

HE WAS READY TO QUIT.

HE SAYS IT WAS THEN THAT GOD

GAVE HIM A VISION TO START A

CHURCH THAT NEVER SLEEPS.

OUT OF THAT VISION, CAME

"THE DREAM CENTER."

TODAY THERE ARE 180 DREAM

CENTERS AROUND THE COUNTRY,

THAT SERVE MORE THAN 50,000

PEOPLE A WEEK.

BUT IT IS NOT JUST A

HANDOUT.

THOSE WHO COME ARE ASKED ONE

QUESTION THEY DON'T EXPECT:

WHAT IS YOUR DREAM?

Wendy: AND PLEASE

WELCOME BACK TO "THE 700

CLUB," PASTOR MATTHEW

BARNETT.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

IT IS GOOD TO BE WITH

YOU.

Wendy: I LOVE THE DAIRY

QUEEN STORY.

SO MANY OF US ALMOST THREW

IN THE TOWEL.

YOU ALMOST QUIT THE VISION

THAT GOD PUT IN YOUR HEART.

YOU PROBABLY SAID FIVE

TIMES, I'M OUT OF HERE.

I'M ON MY WAY BACK TO

PHOENIX.

WHAT HAPPENED?

MY DAD ALWAYS SAYS

WANTING TO QUIT IS A SIGN OF

SUCCESS BECAUSE IT MEANS YOU

HAVE SOMETHING TO QUIT.

SO YOU CAN REJOICE SOMETIMES

WHEN YOU WANT TO QUIT.

BECAUSE IT MEANS THERE IS

SOMETHING VALUABLE IN YOUR

LIFE.

I WAS 20 YEARS OF AGE, CAME

TO L.A., AND I WAS TRYING TO

PASTOR A TRADITIONAL CHURCH

IN A CITY THAT WAS BROKEN

DOWN.

SEVERAL TIMES I WENT DOWN TO

10 FREEWAY TO GO BACK HOME

TO THE SAFE CONFINES OF A

SAFE CHURCH IN PHOENIX,

ARIZONA.

I SAID, GOD, I'M GOING TO

QUIT.

BUT BEFORE I QUIT, I'M GOING

TO GO TO DAIRY QUEEN AND

HAVE A BLIZZARD BEFORE I

QUIT.

AND THEN I WOULD SAY, GOD,

I'LL GIVE YOU ONE MORE DAY.

AND NOW I'VE GIVEN HIM 19

YEARS.

THE BIBLE SAYS HIS MERCIES

ARE NEW EVERY SINGLE DAY,

AND THAT'S TRUE.

SOMETIMES YOU ONLY HAVE ONE

MORE DAY TO GIVE GOD, BUT

THAT MAY BE THE DAY TO GET

YOU OVER THE HUMP.

AND ONE DAY YOU'LL WAKE UP

AND 19 YEARS LATER, YOU KEPT

GIVING GOD ONE MORE DAY.

Wendy: WHAT S IS YOUR

FAVORITE BLIZZARD FLAVOR?

THE HEATH BAR, OF

COURSE.

Wendy: TODAY YOUR DREAM

CENTER SERVES 50,000

PEOPLE.

YOU USED TO SERVE, LIKE,

20.

NOW, WHAT IS THE QUESTION

THAT YOU ASK PEOPLE, THE

SURPRISING QUESTION THAT YOU

ASK EVERYBODY THAT COMES TO

THE DREAM CENTER?

WELL, A LOT OF PEOPLE

COME TO THE DREAM CENTER,

AND WE ASK THEM, WHEN

THEY'RE HOMELESS, THEY'RE IN

THE CARS, THEY HAVE

NOTHING.

A FAMILY WILL SHOW UP, AND

EVERYTHING IS GONE.

AND THE FIRST QUESTION WE EX

PEOPL ASK PEOPLE WHO HAVE

LOST EVERYTHING IS VERY

SIMPLE: WHAT IS YOUR DREAM.

CAN I BE HONEST WITH YOU?

THAT QUESTION SHOCKED

PEOPLE.

HOW CAN YOU ASK ME WHAT MY

DREAM IS WHEN I'M TRYING TO

OVERCOME A 20-YEAR ADDICTION

OR LIVING OUT OF MY CAR.

BUT THAT'S THE QUESTION

WE'RE NEED TO ASK.

WE'RE NOT TRYING TO MINISTER

TO PEOPLE'S NEED.

WE'RE TRYING TO MINISTER TO

THEIR DREAM.

WE, AS THE BODY OF CHRIST

CAN GRAB THEM BY THE HAND

AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT

GETTING PEOPLE THROUGH

COLLEGE AND TAKING A

HOMELESS FAMILY AND GETTING

THEIR G.E.D., AND STARTING

TO PROCESS A FULL

RESTORATION FOR THE GLORY OF

GOD.

THAT'S WHY WE ASK IN THE

BOOK -- WE TELL PEOPLE TO

JUST START THINKING ABOUT

SOMETHING MORE FOR THEIR

LIFE.

IF WE ONLY MINISTER TO

PEOPLE'S NEED, WE'LL BE

TAKING CARE OF THEIR NEEDS

FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIFE.

BUT IF WE GET INTO THEIR

POTENTIAL, WE CAN GET INTO

THEIR GOD-GIVEN DESTINY.

Wendy: TELL US,

MATTHEW, ABOUT SOME OF THE

INCREDIBLE DREAMS FOR PEOPLE

THAT HAVE COME TRUE, FOR

SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE

BEEN HOMELESS -- WELL, TELL

US.

WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO HAVE

LIVED UNDER BRIDGES FOR

DECADES.

AND YOU SAY HOW IN THE WORLD

CAN THAT PEOPLE EVER

CHANGE.

AND NOW THESE PEOPLE HAVE

GONE TO COLLEGE.

WE HAD A MAN WHO WAS

HOMELESS FOR 15 YEARS,

LIVING UNDER THE BUSHES,

WENT TO THE DREAM CENTER,

GOT A MEAL, AND NOW HOMELESS

BARRY, WHO WAS LIVING UNDER

THE BRIDGE, ALL THE WAY UP

TO 60 YEARS OF AGE, AND NOW

IS ONE OF THE PASTORS ON OUR

STAGE.

SOMETIMES YOU DRIVE BY AND

YOU THINK, THAT PERSON IS

TOO FAR GONE, BUT WE HAVE

SEEN SUCH A DRAMATIC

TRANSFORMATION TO WHERE WE

NO LONGER ASK THAT

QUESTION.

THAT HOSPITAL IS A BEACON OF

HOPE.

WE BELIEVE THERE IS NOT ONE

PERSON WHO IS TOO FAR GONE

FOR OUR GOD TO RESTORE.

Wendy: YOU HAVE WRITTEN

THIS BOOK "GOD'S CHANGE FOR

YOU, FINDING LASTING CHANGE

IN JESUS," AND WHY IS IT

HARD FOR PEOPLE TO

UNDERSTAND?

BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE THINK

THEIR DREAM IS OVER.

THEY'VE GONE THROUGH

CRUSHING CIRCUMSTANCES OR

DEFEAT.

THE BOOK IS ABOUT A BROKEN

DREAM.

AND HOW YOU GIVE GOD THAT

BROKEN DREAM, HE MIGHT

RESTORE THAT DREAM DIFFERENT

THAN ANY WAY YOU CAN

IMAGINE.

I NEVER IMAGINED THAT WE

WOULD BE MINISTERING TO

HOMELESS PEOPLE OR PEOPLE

WHO HAD A DRUG ADDICTION.

I NEVER USED DRUGS IN MY

LIFE.

BUT WE TALK ABOUT PEOPLE

DISCOVERING THEIR DREAM IN

THE MIDDLE OF BROKENNESS.

WHEN YOU THINK MAYBE YOUR

LIFE IS OVER, YOU HAVE

NOTHING LEFT TO GIVE GOD BUT

BROKEN PIECES, THAT'S

USUALLY WHAT HE IS LOOKING

FOR TO BUILD THE DREAM HE

HAS FOR YOU.

MY DREAM DIED, AND I'M GLAD

IT DID BECAUSE GOD PUT

TOGETHER SOMETHING SO

AMAZING.

THE BOOK IS ENCOURAGING

PEOPLE WHO FEEL LIKE

EVERYTHING IS DEAD, AND JUST

LOOK AROUND AND SUBMIT

WHATEVER YOU HAVE LEFT TO

GOD.

AND YOU MAY DISCOVER THE

DREAM YOU WERE BORN TO LIVE

FOR, GOD'S DREAM.

Wendy: I TWEETED

YESTERDAY A QUOTE FROM YOUR

BOOK, "A BROKEN DREAM IS

REALLY THE WAY TO A BETTER

DREAM, GOD'S DREAM."

I THINK I'M GETTING IT

RIGHT.

THAT'S RIGHT.

GOD DOESN'T DESTROY DREAMS

AT ROCK BECOME.

HE RECREATES THEM.

I WAS A PASTOR, I WAS 20,

AND I PUT EVERYTHING ON THE

WALL.

THIS HAS GOT TO HAPPEN THE

FIRST YEAR.

I WAS ADDICTED TO THE

TIMETABLE.

AND ONE DAY GOD SAID, THROW

THAT AWAY.

IN ALL OF YOUR WAYS,

ACKNOWLEDGE HIM.

Wendy: THAT IS SO HARD,

ISN'T IT?

AND HE SHALL DIRECT YOUR

PATH.

ALL I HAVE TO DO IS

ACKNOWLEDGE HIM AND HE IS

GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THE

PATH.

LITTLE DID I REALIZE THIS

PATH WOULD BE THE MOST

INCREDIBLE PATH.

TRAFFICKING VICTIMS,

HOMELESS PEOPLE, ALL OF THE

PEOPLE WE'RE MINISTERING TO

ON A DAILY BASIS WERE NEVER

IN THE ORIGINAL PLAN, BUT

THEY WERE IN GOD'S PLANS.

Wendy: YOU JUST

CELEBRATED 19 YEARS AT THE

DREAM CENTER.

AND WE SPENT THE WHOLE

19th YEAR LIVING ON THE

STREETS HOMELESS, AND

SERVING PEOPLE, AND DOING A

24-HOUR OUTREACH.

WE WENT ALL OVER THE CITY,

LOVING PEOPLE, SERVING

PEOPLE, AND MAKING A

DIFFERENCE.

I FELT ON A 19th

ANNIVERSARY, OTHER THAN

HAVING A PARTY AND A CAKE,

LET'S GO OUT THERE AND DO

SOMETHING THAT DEFINES WHO

WE ARE.

WE DID A 24-HOUR OUTREACH

THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CITY

OF LOS ANGELES.

Wendy: MATTHEW'S BOOK

IS CALLED "GOD'S DREAM FOR

YOU," AND IT IS AVAILABLE

FOR YOU WHEREVER BOOKS OR

SOLD.

AND WE HAVE AN EXCLUSIVE

INTERVIEW WITH MATTHEW, AND

TO WATCH THAT, LOG ON TO

cbn.com AND CLICK THE "IN

THE GREEN ROOM" LINK.

PAT, OVER TO YOU.

Pat: MAN, WHAT A GREAT

MINISTRY MATTHEW HAS GOT.

TOMORROW, "DUCK DYNASTY",

MS. KAY, THE PATRIARCH OF

THAT FAMILY, COOKING WITH

HER.

AND SHE IS GOING TO SHARE

HER COUNTRY CUISINE TOMORROW

ON "THE 700 CLUB."

WE LEAVE YOU WITH THESE

WORDS FROM ACTS 2: "YOUR

YOUNG MEN SHALL SEE

VISIONS.

YOUR OLD MEN SHALL DREAM

DREAMS."

THANKS FOR THE DREAM

CENTER.

WE'LL SEE YOU TOMORROW.

GOD BLESS YOU.

BYE-BYE.

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