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Bring It On-Line: Christian Mystics

I've heard about Christian Mystics. What are they? Can you be a Christian and be a mystic? I know pre-marital sex is a sin. What about 'self-gratification?' I have heard youth pastor say this is okay. What is your opinion of the Rapture? I feel ... Read Transcript


WE'VE GOT SOME GOOD

QUESTIONS TO BEGIN 2014.

JOEL WRITES, "I'VE HEARD

PEOPLE TALK ABOUT CHRISTIAN

MYSTICS.

WHAT ARE THEY?

CAN YOU BE A CHRISTIAN AND

BE A MYSTIC?"

Pat: I THINK IT IS JUST

A NAME SOMEBODY HOOKS ON

SOMEBODY.

THEY SAY, OKAY, THIS IS ONE

OF THE LADIES, THE SAINTS,

WHO SPENT ALL HER LIFE

PRAYING AND SEEKING GOD.

AND THEREFORE HAD SOME

REVELATIONS FROM THE HOLY

SPIRIT, AND THEY CONSIDER

THEM MYSTICS.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS A

COMPLIMENTARY TERM.

THE WORLD WOULD CALL A

MYSTIC, SOMEBODY WHO

BELIEVES IN THE REVELATION

OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND

SOMEBODY WHO BELIEVES IN

SEEKING GOD AND PRAYING TO

THE LORD AT EXTENDED PERIODS

OF TIME, LOOKING FOR

REVELATIONS.

THAT'S THE KIND OF THING

THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.

BUT THEY CALL IT MIST CISM.

MYSTICISM.

THAT'S ALL I KNOW.

Wendy: MICHAEL WRITES,

"I KNOW THAT PRE-MARITAL SEX

IS A SIN.

WHAT ABOUT

SELF-GRATIFICATION?"

WE GET A LOT OF THESE

QUESTIONS.

"I HAVE HEARD YOUTH LEADERS

TELLING TEENS IT IS OKAY TO

DO THAT.

WHAT DO YOU THINK?"

Pat: IN ANCIENT

MYTHOLOGY THERE WAS A MAN

NAMED NARSSISIS, WHO BECAME

TO LOOK AT A POOL OF WATER

AND HE SAW HIS IMAGE IN THE

POOL AND HE FELL IN LOVE

WITH HIMSELF.

Wendy: IN LOVE WITH

HIMSELF.

Pat: AND WHAT DO WE

CALL IT?

NARCISSISM.

YOU'RE LOOKING AT

SELF-GRATIFICATION.

THEY USED TO SAY YOU'RE

GOING TO GO CRAZY IF YOU DO

THIS.

THAT'S NONSENSE.

BUT, NEVERTHELESS, I DO

THINK THAT WHAT SOMEBODY CAN

DO IS FALL IN LOVE WITH

HIMSELF.

AND I THINK FOR MEN TO BEGIN

THIS PRACTICE ON A REGULAR

BASIS, IT WILL DESTROY THE

INTIMACY THAT YOU HAVE IN

MARRIAGE, AND YOU WILL BE

UNABLE TO PERFORM ADEQUATELY

AS A HUSBAND.

THAT'S A DANGER.

WOMEN, THE SAME THING

BECAUSE THEY SAY, I CAN DO A

BETTER JOB WITH MYSELF THAN

SOMEBODY ELSE CAN, AND

THEREFORE I'M NOT GETTING

SEXUAL SATISFACTION.

SO IT IS A PROBLEM.

I THINK IN TERMS OF MEN, GOD

HAS SET UP A RELEASE

MECHANISM THAT IS KNOWN AS

NOC TERNA NOCTERNAL

EMISSIONS, AND THE PRESSURE

BUILDS UP AND THERE IS A

RELEASE.

FOR WOMEN, IT IS A PROBLEM.

THERE IS A GUY NAMED O NAN

WHO EMITTED ON THE GROUND,

AND GOD KILLED HIM.

BUT THAT HAD TO DO WITH THE

FACT HE WAS SUPPOSED TO

BRING FORTH SEED TO HIS

BROTHER AND HE DIDN'T WANT

TO DO IT.

Wendy: THE BIBLE IS NOT

REAL CLEAR ON IT.

Pat: IT ISN'T.

I THINK IT IS THE IDEA OF

SELF-GRATIFICATION AND

FANTASY IS NOT A GOOD THING

BECAUSE YOU'RE HAVING SEXUAL

FANTASIES.

Wendy: LIKE YOU SAID,

THAT CAN DESTROY INTIMACY.

Pat: WITHOUT A

QUESTION, FOR MEN IT CAN DO

IT, AND THE SAME THING FOR

WOMEN.

SO THAT'S THE DANGER.

BUT I'M NOT SAYING IT IS A

TERRIBLE SIN.

I'M NOT SAYING IT IS GOING

TO DRIVE PEOPLE CRAZY.

BECAUSE THE BIBLE IS NOT

CLEAR.

IF THE BIBLE IS CLEAR, I'LL

LAY DOWN HERE IT IS.

BUT I DONE THINK ONISM IS

THE PROBLEM WE'RE DEALING

WITH HERE.

Wendy: MARK WRITES,

"YOU FUNDAMENTALISTS HAVE IT

ALL WRONG.

THE RAPTURE IS MENTIONED

NOWHERE IN THE BIBLE.

IT WAS INVENTED BACK IN THE

1830s BY JOHN NELSON

DARVY.

DID HE HAVE SOME DIVINE IN

SIGHT THAT EVERYONE ELSE

LACKED?"

Pat: HERE IS THE DEAL

WITH DARVY: THERE WAS A

GROUP CALL THE IRVINGITES.

IRVINGITIS.

AND IN ONE OF THOSE

MEETINGS, THERE WAS A

17-YEAR-OLD GIRL WHO STARTED

SPEAKING IN TONGUES AND THEN

PROPHESYING, AND DARVY WAS

THERE AND SHE SAID, WOW, AND

HE WROTE ALL THIS STUFF

DOWN.

HIS DISCIPLE WAS A FELLOW

NAMED C.I. SKOFIELD.

AND HE PUT THAT INTO A

BIBLE, THE SKOFIELD

REFERENCE BIBLE.

AND THIS BECAME WIDELY

CIRCULATED.

THAT'S WHERE IT CAME FROM.

NOW TO SAY THE RAPTURE IS

NOT MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE

IS NOT TRUE.

THE LORD WILL DESCEND WITH A

SHOUT OF COMMAND, AND THE

DEAD IN CHRIST WILL RISE

FIRST.

AND WE WHO REMAIN WILL BE

CAUGHT UP TO BE WITH HIM IN

THE AIR.

THAT IS IN THE BIBLE VERY

CLEARLY.

THE IDEA OF THE WORD

"RAPTURE," IS FROM A LATIN

WORD, "I SNATCH."

BUT THE IDEA THIS TAKES

PLACE SECRETLY BEFORE A

SEVEN-YEAR TRIBULATION,

WHICH TAKES PLACE BEFORE A

THOUSAND YEAR MILLENNIUM,

THAT ISN'T BIBLICAL.

I'M SORRY, IT IS NOT

BIBLICAL.

THE LORD SAYS AFTER THE

TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS,

THEN SHALL APPEAR THE SIGN

OF THE SON OF MAN IN

HEAVEN.

AND HE WILL SEND FORTH HIS

ANGELS TO GATHER HIS ELECT

FROM THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE

EARTH.

THAT'S WHAT JESUS SAID, AND

I WOULD RATHER GO WITH HIS

WORD THAN JOHN NELSON DARVY

AND C.I. SKOFIELD.

BUT THAT'S WHERE IT CAME

FROM.

Wendy: BEATRICE WRITES,

"I FEEL THAT GOD IS LEADING

ME IN THE AREA OF BEING AN

INTERCESSOR.

CAN YOU RECOMMEND SOME BOOKS

FOR ME TO READ ON THE

SUBJECT?"

Pat: I THINK ALICE

SMITH, ONE OF OUR DEAR

FRIENDS, IS AN INTERCESSOR,

AND SHE HAS WRITTEN ABOUT

IT.

WHAT IS AN INTERCESSOR?

IT IS SOMEBODY WHO IS CALLED

TO PRAY.

THEY PRAY FOR OTHERS.

THAT'S WHAT YOU DO.

YOU INTERCEDE FOR SOMEBODY

ELSE.

AND YOU CRY OUT TO THE

LORD.

AND IT'S A VERY HOLY,

WONDERFUL CALLING.

BUT THAT WOULD BE ONE.

AND THERE ARE OTHER BOOKS

ABOUT INTERCESSION.

YOU CAN JUST LOOK IT UP.

Wendy: DO YOU THINK,

PAT, THAT EVERY CHRISTIAN

INTERCEDES AT TIMES?

WE ALL PRAY.

SOME PEOPLE HAVE SORT OF

LIKE THAT MANTEL AND THAT'S

WHAT THEY DO.

Pat: IF I FELT YOU WERE

HAVING TROUBLE, I WOULD SAY,

I WANT TO PRAY FOR WENDY,

LORD.

IT DOESN'T MEAN I'M AN

INTERCESSOR.

IT JUST MEANS THAT I WOULD

BE PRAYING FOR YOU.

BUT THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE,

LIKE MY DEAR FRIEND, ALICE,

WHO SAYS, I AM CALLED TO BE

AN INTERCESSOR.

I PRAY FOR ALL KINDS OF

PEOPLE BY THE HOUR.

AND SHE DOES HAVE A REAL

CLOSE WALK WITH THE LORD.

Wendy: MAYBE SHE IS

WATCHING.

HI, ALICE.

Pat: SHE'S A

SWEETHEART.

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