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The 700 Club - March 20, 2014

Bishop TD Jakes explains how to know what God designed you to do by discovering your destiny. Plus, actor Kevin Sorbo sits down with The 700 Club’s Scott Ross to discuss his latest movie, God's Not Dead. Read Transcript


FROM THE NEW MOVIE,

"GOD'S NOT DEAD...."

SCOTT ROSS SIT DOWN WITH

ACTOR KEVIN SORBO.

HOW DO YOU OR DON'T YOU

CONVINCE PEOPLE THERE IS A

GOD.

ç SOMETHING STARTED AMé OF

THIS.

PLUS JOEL ROSENBERG

SHARES A CHAPTER FROM HIS

BEST-SELLER.

AND T.C. JAKES JOINS US LIVE

ON TODAY'S "700 CLUB."

Pat: WELCOME, FOLKS, TO

THIS EDITION OF "THE 700

CLUB."

DID YOU SEE THE ANGUISHED

PEOPLE, THE CHINESE MOTHERSç

ANDç RELATIVES OF THE

PASSENGERS ON THAT MALAYSIAN

JET.

I MEAN, IT JUST BREAKS YOUR

HEART TO THINK WHAT THEY'RE

GOING THROUGH.

APPARENTLY WE'VE HAD SO MANY

FALSE LEADS ON THIS THING,

BUT A SATELLITE HAS SPOTTED

WHAT COULD BE FLOATING

DEBRIS ABOUT FOUR HOURS OFF

THE COAST OF AUSTRALIA.

THAT'S THE BEST CHANCE YET

TO FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED TO

THATç MALAYSIANç JETLINER,

THAT JUST VANISHED INTO THIN

AIR.

Terry: CREWS ARE

HUNTING FOR THE TWO OBJECTS

SEEN FLOATING IN THE WATER.

EPHRAIM GRAHAM HAS THE

STORY.

Reporter: IT IS NOT

CONFIRMED THE OBJECTS

SPOTTED IN THE INDIAN OCEAN

ARE FROM SPOT 70, BUT AFTER

LONG DAYS OF SEARCHING, IT

IS SOMETHING NEW.

THIS IS A LEAD, AND IT IS

PROBABLY THE BEST LEAD WE

HAVE RIGH(o NOW.ç

BUT WE NEED TO GET THERE,

FIND THEM, SEE THEM, ASSESS

THEM, TO KNOW WHETHER IT IS

REALLY MEANINGFUL OR NOT.

Reporter: THE MILITARY

SEARCHERS FROM AUSTRALIA AND

THE U.S. AND NEW ENGLAND ARE

ALL THERE.

THE I IMAGES THEY SAW WERE

DISTINCT.

ONE OF THE OBJECTS WAS

NEARLY 80 BQá, ANDç ONE

ABOUT 15 FEET.

WE HAVE BEEN IN THIS

BUSINESS OF USING SATELLITE

IMAGES BEFORE.

THEY DO NOT ALWAYS TURN OUT

TO BE RELATED TO THE SEARCH,

EVEN IF THEY LOOK GOOD.

Reporter: EXPERTS SAY

THE SIZE OF DEBRIS ACTUALLY

HAS THEM QUESTIONING WHETHER

IT IS FROM THE MISSING

MALAYSIAN FLIGHT.

NORMALLY SOMETHING SO LARGE

WOULDN'T SURVIVE A PLANE

CRASH.

FLIGHT 370 VANISHED MARCH

8th, WITH 239 PASSENGERS

ANDç CREW ONç BOARD.

AS THE SEARCH CONTINUES, THE

F.B.I. IS HELPING TO ANALYZE

DELETED DATA FOUND FROM A

FLIGHT SIMULATOR, FOUND IN

THE PILOT'S HOME.

IT COULD HELP EXPLAIN WHERE

THE PLANE WENT.

EPHRAIM GRAHAM, CBN NEWS.

Pat: THANKS, EPHRAIM.

IN OTHER NEWS, NEWSPAPERS IN

ISRAEL ARE REPORTING THAT

THAT NATION MAY BE GETTING

READY FOR A VERY IMPORTANT

MILITARYç ACTIONç TO PROTECT

ITSELF.

JOHN JESSUP HAS THAT STORY

FROM WASHINGTON.

Reporter: PAT, THAT'S

RIGHT.

ISRAEL IS GEARING UP FOR A

MILITARY STRIKE ON IRAN'S

NUCLEAR FACILITIES THIS

YEAR, ACCORDING TO THE

ISRAELI NEWSPAPER.

ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER

BENJAMIN NETANYAHU HAS

ORDERED THE ISRAELI DEFENSE

FORCES TO SPEND NEARLY

$3 BILLION ON A POSSIBLE

MILITARY STRIKE IN THE

COMING MONTHS.

THE U.S. AND FIVE OTHER

WORLD POWERSç MET THIS$Qi

FOR A SECOND ROUND OF TALKS

IN VIENNA, WITH IRAN, OVER

ITS NUCLEAR PROGRAM.

ISRAELI LEADERS COMPARE

THOSE TALKS TO A PERSIAN

BAZAAR WHERE IRAN USES THE

TIME TO EXPAND ITS NUCLEAR

CAPABILITY.

Pat: ISRAEL HAS A RIGHT

TO DEFEND ITSELF.

WHEN ANOTHER NATION HAS SAID

CLEARLY, CLEARLY, TIMEçç AND

AGAIN THAT IT'S MISSION IS

TO DESTROY THE NATION OF

ISRAEL, THEN ISRAEL HAS A

RIGHT TO SELF-DEFENSE.

I THINK THE GREAT POWERS

SHOULD KEEP THEIR HANDS OFF

AND LET ISRAEL DO WHAT IT

HAS TO DO.

BUT I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT

NETANYAHU WOULD TELEGRAPH TO

THE IRANIANS THAT A STRIKE

IS COMING.

THAT DOESN'T SOUND VERY

SMART.

BUT WHAT THEY DO IS SMART.ç

JOHN?

Reporter: PAT, RUSSIA

IS TIGHTENING ITS GRIP ON

CRIMEA, DESPITE THE

POSSIBILITY OF EVEN MORE

SANCTIONS, AND TENSIONS IN

EASTERN UKRAINE ARE ALSO

RISING.

A GROUP OF CHRISTIANS

RECENTLY CAME FACE TO FACE

WITH AN ANGRY MOB OF

PRO-RUSSIAN DEMONSTRATORS.

GEORGE THOMAS HAS THAT

STORY.

George: MARCH 16th,

HE AND SIX AMERICANS

TRAVELLING ON THIS BUS HADç

JUST FINISHDT MINISTERING AT

A WOMEN'S PRISON.

DOZENS OF PRO-RUSSIAN

DEMONSTRATORS CONFRONTED

THEM ON THE STREETS.

I WAS REALLY AFRAID ABOUT

MY TEAM.

George: CONFRONTATION

WAS FILMED AND UP LOADED.

LOADED.

IT HAPPENED NOT TOO FAR FROM

RUSSIA'S BORDER.

IT WAS JUST REALLYçç

ANGRILY RECEIVED, AND VERY

CRAZY PEOPLE.

I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS.

George: MORKO RUNS A

CHRISTIAN MINISTRY.

AND HE SAYS THE PEOPLE

CHANTING RUSSIA, RUSSIA,

TRIED TO PULL HIS TEAM OFF

THE BUS.

FORTUNATELY THEY MANAGED TO

GET AWAY UNHURT, BUT NOT

BEFORE WINDOWS WERE SMASHED

AND THEIR TIRES SHOT.

THE INCIDENT MADE THE LOCAL

NEWS.

HEç SAYS RUSSIA ISç SENDING

MEN ACROSS THE BORDER TO

THESE CITIES TO CREATE

CHAOS, TO INSTIGATE MORE

INVASION.

WE HAVE A REAL CHANCE FOR

WAR.

George: UKRAINE'S PRIME

MINISTER SAYS SUCH

INSTIGATORS WILL BE DEALT

WITH.

Translator: LAW

ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES HAVE

GATHEREDç

OF THE

PARTICIPATION OF

RUSSIAN SPECIAL FORCES.

THERE IS NO PLACE IN UKRAINE

FOR THESE WAR MONGERS.

George: VIOLENT

PROTESTS HAVE BROKEN OUT IN

MANY KEY REGIONS.

AND IN SOME CASES,

PRO-RUSSIAN DEMONSTRATORS

HAVE TAKEN OVER GOVERNMENT

BUILDINGS, REPLACING THE

EUROPEAN UNION FLAG WITH A

RUSSIAN FLAG.

FORçç EXAMPLE, IN DONEESK,

HUNDREDS OF DEMONSTRATORS

STORMED A GOVERNMENT

SECURITY BUILDING THIS

WEEK.

THE CLASHES FOR AND AGAINST

RUSSIA ARE BECOMING FOR

FREQUENT AND VIOLENT.

THE STAKES CONTINUED BE

HIGHER.

RUSSIA IS ADDING MO MORE

MILITARY EQUIPMENT AND

TROOPS TO THE BORDER.

ANDç ADVANCE

THE CAPITAL, WITHIN TWO OR

THREE HOURS.

GEORGE THOMAS, CBN NEWS.

PAT, NBC NEWS REPORTED

THAT THE PENTAGON HAD

SERIOUS CONCERNS BECAUSE THE

RUSSIAN TROOPS ALONG THE

BORDER COULD INVADE AT ANY

TIME WITHOUT WARNING.

Pat: WHAT MAKES ME SICK

IS THE FIRST LADY IS GOING

ON VACATION, AND THE

PRESIDENT IS PLANNINGTKP'OTHER VACATION.ç

HE HAS HAD OVER A HUNDRED

ROUNDS OF GOLF DURING HIS

PRESIDENCY, AND MORE

COMING.

WITH THIS CRISIS, HE OUGHT

TO BE AT HIS DESK WORKING AS

HARD AS HE CAN.

WE OUGHT TO BE AIR LIFTING

TROOPS INTO UKRAINE AND

POLAND.

AND WE OUGHT TO MAKE IT

ABSOLUTELY CLEAR THAT THIS

INVASION OF UKRAINE IS NOT

GOING TO BE PERMITTED.

THE CRIMEA IS ACTUALLY LIKE

A PART OFç RUSSKaé

THEY HAVE A MILITARY BASE

THERE.

WE MIGHT SAY, OKAY,

VLADIMIR, WE'LL LET YOU HAVE

CRIMEA BECAUSE THOSE PEOPLE

THERE ARE MOSTLY RUSSIAN

ANYHOW.

BUT THE REST OF UKRAINE, NO

WAY.

AND IF WE DON'T STOP PUTIN

NOW, NOTHING IS GOING TO

STOP HIM.

BECAUSE IT WILL BE MORE AND

MORE, AND BEFORE LONG WE'LL

BE STARING ACROSS THE BORDER

AT A NUCLEAR CONFRONTATION

THAT NONE OF US WANT.

BUTç NOW, Iç MEAN, WE COULD

IMMEDIATELY START OIL AND

GAS EXPORTS TO THE EUROPEAN

UNION.

WE COULD MAKE THE LARGE

AMOUNTS OF MONEY AVAILABLE

TO THE UKRAINIANS TO SHORE

UP THEIR ECONOMY.

AND WE COULD PUT TROOPS IN

THERE TO HELP THEM.

WE DON'T HAVE TO GO TO WAR,

BUT WE COULD TELL THE

RUSSIANS, LOOK, WE'VE GOT A

MUCH STRONGER ARMY AND NAVY

AND MILITARY THAN YOU DO,

AND LET'S NOT PLAY GAMESç

HERE.ç

WE DON'T LIKE THIS.

THIS IS NOT RIGHT, AND WE'RE

NOT GOING TO LET YOU GET

AWAY WITH IT.

BUT WE HAVE A PRESIDENT WHO

IS VACILLATING AND WEAK.

THE ONLY THING HE HAS DONE

WAS TO LIMIT THE BANK

ACCOUNTS OF THREE OR FOUR

ALAGUARDS.

THE WHOLE THING IS NUTS.

BACK HERE IN THE U.S.,

AUTHORITIES HAVE ARRESTED 14

PEOPLE WHO RAN A GLOBAL,çç

ONLINE CHILD PORN RING.

THE GROUP EXPLOITED 250

CHILDREN ACROSS 39 STATES IN

FIVE COUNTRIES.

MOST WERE 13 TO 15-YEAR-OLD

BOYS.

27-YEAR-OLD JONATHAN JOHNSON

OF LOUISIANA WAS THE RING

LEADER.

HE AND OTHER MEMBERS OF HIS

WEBSITE PRETEND TO THE GIRLS

TO ENTICE TEENAGED BOYS INTO

SENDING GRAPHIC MATERIAL.

çç JOHNSON'S WEBSITES HAD

OVER 30,000 MEMBERS.

AND HE FREQUENTLY UTILIZED

OTHER MEMBERS AND

UPLOOTERER UPLOADERS TO

SEARCH FOR AND LOCATE

UNSUSPECTING MINOR BOYS FOR

THE PURPOSE OF HAVING THEM

CREATE SEXUALLY EXPLOSIVE

VIDEOS.

IF CONVICTED, JOHNSON

COULD FACE 20 YEARS TO LIFE

INç PRISON.

MAJOR CATASTROPHE IN 2012,

WHEN POWERFUL SUN BLASTS

NEARLY MISSED US.

IT HAS HAPPENED IN A PASS

WHEN A MASSIVE SOLAR STORM

TOOK OUT THE TELEGRAPH

SYSTEM IN THE UNITED STATES

BACK IN 1859.

IF IT HAPPENED NOW, IT COULD

COST THE ECONOMYç

$2.6 TRILLION.

ASTEROID HITTING THE EARTH?

TRY TO ASTEROIDS HITTING THE

EARTH.

THE RESEARCHERS HAVE SOME OF

THE BEST EVIDENCE YET OF A

DOUBLE IMPACT.

WHEN AN ASTEROID AND ITS

COMPANION STRUCK THE EARTH

IN THE DISTANT PAST.

SCIENTISTS ESTIMATE ONLY

ABOUT 3% OF THE IMPACT

CRATERS ON EARTH COME FROM

DOUBLE ASTEROIDS.ç-$Q1ñ EVERY TIME WE DO A

STORY ABOUT METEORS OR

ASTEROIDS, IT MAKES ME THINK

WE SHOULD READ YOUR BOOK,

"THE END OF THE AGE."

Pat: I DIDN'T ASK YOU

TO DO IT, BUT I THINK IT IS

IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT TIES IN

BIBLICAL PROPHECY WITH AN

ASTEROID HITTING.

I DON'T THINK THERE IS

ANYTHING ELSE THAT FILLS THE

WORDS OF JESUS.

AND REVELATION, I MIGHT

ADD.

IT IS ALL THERE CLEARLY.

YOUç KNOW, LADIES ANDç

GENTLEMEN, WHAT I WANT TO

TELL YOU, AND I THINK WE

OUGHT TO RECOGNIZE IS THAT

WE'RE IN A COSMIC SHOOTING

GALLERY.

THE COSMOS IS JUST FILLED

WITH DEBRIS.

AND EACH ONE OF THESE SPACE

ROCKS -- AND THERE ARE

MILLIONS, BILLIONS OF

THEM -- IS SUFFICIENT TO BE

AN IMPACT THAT COULD CAUSE

THE CESSATION OF LIFE ON

EARTH.

SO IF THERE WAS A THING THAT

ISçç NEEDED, WE NEED TO GET

RIGHT WITH GOD, WHO CAN

PREVENT THINGS LIKE THIS AND

TO KEEP US SAFE.

AND WITHOUT HIS PRESENCE, WE

ARE IN DESPERATE SHAPE.

WELL, WE'RE GOING TO TALK

ABOUT SOMETHING ABOUT

HISTORY.

AND TERRY, TELL US ABOUT

IT.

Terry: WELL, NEXT,

YOU'VE BEEN CALLED A MODERN

DAY NOSTRODOMUSç BECAUSEç HIS

NOVELS HAVE A TENDENCY TO

COME TRUE.

NOW THE AUTHOR IS LOOKING

BACK.

çççççççç

Pat: HE HAS WRITTEN

THRILLERS ABOUT ISRAEL AND

INTERNATIONAL SHOWDOWNS IN

THE MIDDLE EAST, BUT HI IN

HIS NEW BOOK, JOE JOEL

ROSENBERG IS FOCUSING ON THE

PAST AND ONE OF THE DARKEST

CHAPTERS IN WORLD HISTORY.

TAKE A LOOK.

Reporter: DURING WORLD

WARç II, 11"Â1%=9 PEOPLE

WERE ROUNDED UP AND TAKEN TO

CONCENTRATION CAMPS ALL OVER

EUROPE.

SIX MILLION OF THESE WERE

JEWS.

AND AN ESTIMATED ONE MILLION

OF THEM DIED HERE AT

AUSCHWITZ, THE NAZI

CONCENTRATION COMPLEX IN

POLAND.

INSPIRED BY TRUE STORIES,

JOEL C.ROSENBERG'S NEW

NOVEL, "THE AUSCHWITZ

SJAPE,"ç GIVES A GLIMPSE OF

THE HORRORS THAT OCCURRED

BEHIND THOSE PRISON WALLS.

AND THE COURAGE TO BREAK

FREE AND TELL THE WORLD THE

TRUTH.

Pat: THE BOOK IS CALLED

THE AUSCHWITZ ESCAPE.

JOEL C. ROSENBERG IS SUCH A

POPULAR AUTHOR, AND HE HAS

THIRLS HAS THRILLERS, AND

THIS IS HIS LATEST.ç

Iç DROVE UP TO THERE AND I

BEGAN TO SEE THE PICTURES

AND THE THINGS.

THAT MOVED ME, BUT

UNDERSTAND SOMETHING

HAPPENED TO YOU WHEN YOU SAW

AUSCHWITZ THAT JUST

OVERWHELMED YOU.

IT DID.

I WENT AND VISITED THE NAZI

DEATH CAMP IN SOUTHERN

POLAND IN NOVEMBER 2011.

I HAVE NEVER BEEN.

THIS IS TRUE ABOUT ANYBODY,

BUT IT IS CERTAINLY TRUE

ABOUT A ROSENBERG.A JEWISH MANç STANDING IN A

GAS CHAMBER, LOOKING AT

OVENS, AND KNOWING -- IT IS

SURREAL TO GO STAND THERE IN

FREEDOM TODAY, BUT KNOWING

ALL THAT HAD HAPPENED.

WHAT I LEARNED AS I WAS

LEAVING THE CAMP, AFTER WE

HAD THE TOUR, IS THAT OVER

800 PEOPLE TRIED TO ESCAPE.

EVERYBODY WOULD HAVE WANTED

TO, BUT ONLY A HANDFUL HAD

GOT OUT.

I HAD NEVER HEARDç ANYBODYkP &C @&Cú

HAD GOTTEN OUT.

IT TURNED OUT SEVEN YEARS

NEXT MONTH, THE FIRST TWO OF

FOUR MEN NOT ONLY ESCAPED,

BUT THEY ESCAPED FOR TWO

DIFFERENT REASONS, PARTLY TO

SAVE THEIR OWN LIFE, OF

COURSE, BUT PARTLY TO WARN

THE JEWISH COMMUNITIES AND

THE ALLIES WHAT WAS REALLY

HAPPENING.

THAT THESE WERE NOT SLAVE

LABOR CAMPS.

THEY WERE EXTERMINATION

CAMPS.

THE MORE I READ, THEç MOREç

FASCINATED I GOT.

SO I DECIDED TO WRITE A

NOVEL THAT WOULD BE BASED ON

FACT, INSPIRED BIB BY THESE

TWO STORIES, AND IT WOULD

TAKE YOU INTO THIS WORLD.

IT IS PROBABLY THE MOST

PAINFUL AND DIFFICULT

PROCESS TO WRITE THIS

PARTICULAR NOVEL, BUT I

THINK THE HISTORY IS SO

IMPORTANT AND RELEVANT TO

TODAY.

Pat: WHAT DID YOU

LEARN?

I REMEMBER DACHAU, AND THEY

HAD PICTURES, ANDç THEY WEREç

HANGING THE JEWS FROM

POLES.

ONE OF THE MOST PAINFUL

THINGS IN THE WORLD IS TO

HAVE YOUR HANDS BEHIND YOU,

AND THEY WERE SUSPENDING

FROM THEIR HANDS, WRENCHING

THEIR SHOULDERS OUT.

AND THAT WAS JUST ONE OF THE

THINGS THEY WERE DOING.

AND, OF COURSE, YOU SAW THE

OVENS WHERE THEY WERE

BURNING THEM.

THESE TWO PEOPLE, HOW DID

THEY GET OUT AND WHO WERE

THERE?

IT WAS EXTRAORDINARY.

RUDOLPH VERBA ANDç FREDç

VEXLER.

VERBA IS A LATER HE TOOK

LATER.

HIS NAME WAS REALLY WALTER

ROSENBERG, AND NO RELATION

THAT I'M AWARE OF, BUT I

FEEL A KINDRED SPIRIT.

AND THE NEXT TWO WERE ARNA

AND CHESLO.

THESE PEOPLE WERE ALL JEWS.

AND THEY DEVELOP AN INGENIUS

PLOT.

AND HOW THEY GOT OUT, I'M

NOT GOING TO TELL YOU.

I TOOK EXACTLY HOW THEYç DID

IT, ANDç I CREATED SOME

FICTIONAL CHARACTERS WHO

COME ALONGSIDE THEM AND HELP

THEM GET OUT AND THEN

ESCAPE.

I DID CHANGE THEIR NAMES

BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO PUT

WORDS OR THOUGHTS INTO THE

MOUTHS OF THESE HEROS THAT I

COULDN'T VERIFY TO REALLY BE

TRUE.

SO I CHANGED THEIR NAMES.

BUT AS PART OF THIS BOOK

TOUR, AND CERTAINLY ON YOUR

SHOW, I WANTED TO TELL THE

NAMES.

RUDOLPHçç VERBA, FRED VESLA,

AND THE OTHER TO PULLED OFF

THE GREATEST ESCAPE.

AND THE REPORT THEY WROTE OF

THE EYE WITNESS ACCOUNT OF

WHAT THEY WERE SEEING, WHAT

WAS REALLY HAPPENING, A

MILLION PEOPLE, JEWS, BEING

KILLED, WOUND UP ON THE

DISTIC OF CHURCHILL AND

FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT, AND

THEY WEREçç PLEADING, LIBERATE

US OR BOMB THE TRACTS, AS

LEAST.

IF NOTHING ELSE COULD BE

DONE, BOMB THE CAMPS.

Pat: DID CHURCHILL

BELIEVE THEM?

IT TOOK A LONG TIME TO

PROCESS THIS.

IN THEIR DEFENSE, TO A

DEGREE, RIGHT AS THESE GUYS

GOT OUT, THEY WERE FINISHING

THE PLANS FOR "D" DAY, WHICH

WAS COMING UP ON THAT 70th

ANNIVERSARY.

THEY WERE TRYING TO

LIBERATE.

THERE ISç ANç INTENSE DEBATE,

DID WE DO ENOUGH?

AUSCHWITZ WAS BOMBED.

ONE OF THE FACTORIES THAT

THE SLAVE LABOR POPULATION

WAS WORKING, THEY DID GET

BOMBED BY THE AMERICANS.

IT IS NOT CLEAR WHY DIDN'T

THE AMERICANS GO BACK.

WE COULD HAVE DONE IT.

A BIGGER ISSUE WAS THAT THE

JEWS THAT GOT OUT, THEY

WEREN'T JUST TRYING TO SAY,

HEY, WE'RE TELLING YOU ABOUT

A STORY THAT HAS HAPPENED.

THEY HAD HEARDçç RUMOURS THAT

THE HUNGARY JEWISH

POPULATION WE'RE GOING TO BE

DEPORTED AND IT HADN'T

HAPPENED YET.

THAT WAS ALMOST A HALF

MILLION JEWS THAT HAD NOT

BEEN MURDERED.

THESE GUYS WANTED TO SAY,

DON'T GET ON THE TRAINS.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE

SLAVES.

YOU'RE GOING TO WALK RIGHT

OFF THE SLAVE INTO THESE GAS

CHAMBERS.

THEY WERE ABLE TO HELP STOP

THAT, ALTHOUGH 300,000ç

PEOPLEç ALREADY WENT BEFORE

PEOPLE WOKE UP AND REALIZED

WHAT HAPPENED.

Pat: DID YOU HAVE A

CHANCE TO SEE THE ACTUAL

WORDS THEY WROTE AND THE

PAPERS THEY DRAFTED.

YES.

I WENT TO THE RESEARCH

MEMORIAL IN ISRAEL, AND THEY

TOOK ME DOWN INTO THEIR

VAULT.

THREE LAYERS OF SECURITY,

MASSIVE DOORS, LIKE A BANK.

AND THEY SHOWED ME COPIES OF

THE ACTUAL DOCUMENTS AND THE

SKETCHES OF THE CAMPS.

THEY PROVIDED SO MUCH

RESEARCH.

IS NOT THEIR FAULT.

BUT THERE IS ONE OTHER STORY

THAT I WOVE INTO THIS

BECAUSE I THOUGHT, WHERE IS

THE HOPE?

YES, THEY GOT OUT.

YES, THEY HELPED SAVE

LIVES.

BUT THERE IS A LITTLE TOWN

IN SOUTHERN FRANCE, AND IT'S

A LITTLE PROTESTANT VILLAGE

IN A LARGELY CATHOLIC

COUNTRY.

I DISCOVERED IN MY RESEARCH

THAT THE PASTORS IN THAT

TOWN STARTED SEEING JEWS

COME TO THEIR DOORSTEPS,ç

SAYING, WE'VE gO( TO ESCAPE,

AND WOULD YOU HELP US?

AND THEY DECIDED TO RESCUE

THESE JEWS, AND THEY RALLIED

THEIR WHOLE TOWN, 3,000

PEOPLE, AND THEY ENDED UP

SAVING MORE THAN 5,000

PEOPLE, AND MOST OF THEM

WERE JEWS, AND MOST OF THEM

WERE CHILDREN.

WHEN THE WAR WAS OVER, THE

STATE OF ISRAEL ACTUALLY

RECOGNIZED THE ENTIRE TOWN

AND THESE PASTORS AS

RIGHTEOUS GENTILES.

ANDç EVERY SINGLE ONEç OF THE

PASTORS WAS ARRESTED BY THE

GASTOPO DURING THE WAR, AND

TWO OF WHICH WERE MURDERED.

SO I CREATED A YOUNGER MAN

WHO IS WORKING WITH THESE

LEADERS AND HE GETS ARRESTED

AND TAKEN TO AUSCHWITZ, AND

I WEAVE HIM INTO THE STORY.

SO YOU SEE THE HOPE OF THIS

TOWN AND THE COURAGE OF THIS

BELIEVER, WHO IS ASKED, WHY

ARE YOU HERE?

ALL OF THE JEWSçç ARE SAYING,

WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE?

AND HE SAYS, WHY AREN'T ALL

OF THE CHRISTIANS HERE?

Pat: THE JEWS WERE

GREAT WITH RETALIATION, IF

SOMEBODY KILLED AN S.S.

OFFICER, THEY WOULD KILL 100

VILLAGERS.

WHEN THEY ESCAPED, WHAT WAS

THE RETALIATION.

IF THEY ESCAPED, THEY

WOULD ROUND UP ANYONE THEY

THOUGHT MIGHT BE CONNECTED

AND THEY SHOT THEM.çç

BUT THESE MEN THOUGHT, THEY

WERE DYING ANYWAY.

IF WE STAY TO SAVE 100

LIVES, WE'RE RISKING A

MILLION LIVES.

MAYBE IF PEOPLE REALLY

KNEW -- HOW COULD THEY LEAVE

US HERE IF THEY KNOW WHAT IS

HAPPENING.

THEY MUST NOT KNOW.

THERE IS A BIG HISTORICAL

DEBATE, BECAUSE THERE HAD

BEEN OTHER REPORTS THAT HAD

GOTTEN OUT, AND THE WORLD

HAD NOT TAKEN IT SERIOUSLY.

BECAUSE, IN @A Q1ñ THEYç

COULDN'T IMAGINE IT.

Pat: WASN'T THERE A

MOVIE MADE ABOUT THESE

GUYS?

THERE WAS A DOCUMENTARY

MADE BY PBS.

I THINK IT WOULD BE A

MAJOR MOVIE BLOCKBUSTER.

BUT MOST ARE HIDDEN,

FORGOTTEN, IF THEY WERE EVER

KNOWN, STORIES.

Pat: WE ALL TRY TO

WONDER HOW A NATION THAT HAD

THE CHRISTIANçç BACKGROUND

THAT GERMANY HAD COULD HAVE

BEEN SUCKED UP INTO THIS

DELUSION AND IGNORED IT.

THAT IS WHAT WAS SO

TERRIBLE.

DID YOU FIND ANYTHING IN THE

GERMAN PSYCHE THAT LED TO

THIS HORROR THAT TOOK

PLACE?

IF I BOILED IT DOWN, I

WOULD SAY A CATASTROPHIC

FAILURE OF DISCIPLESHIP.

YOU HAVE 45 MILLION

PROTESTANTS, AS AN EXAMPLE,

IN GERMANY.

WHEN HITLER TOOK OVER, HEç

TOOK OVE)ç THE CHURCH.

THEY BANNED THE BIBLE.

THEY BANNED THE CROSSMENT

THEY BANNED THE PREACHING OF

THE BIBLE.

THEY PUT THE PASTORS IN

PRISON.

ONE WAS HANGED.

HE HAD CREATED AN

UNDERGROUND SEMINARY TO KEEP

THE GOSPEL ALIVE, TO KEEP

THE WORD OF GOD BEING

PREACHED.

BUT A LOT OF PROTESTANTS

OPTED FOR THE RIGHT CHURCH

OR THOUGHT,ç YOU CIN&T BUCK

THE SYSTEM.

AND YET MEN WERE HEROIC IN

THE FACT THAT THEY DID.

THE QUESTION FOR US TODAY --

JUST AS AN EXAMPLE,

55 MILLION CHILDREN HAVE

BEEN MURDERED BY ABORTION IN

OUR COUNTRY.

WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO

60 MILLION IN THE NEXT YEAR

OR TWO.

IF WE GET TO 60 MILLION, WE

WILL HAVE KILLED 10 TIMES

MORE AMERICANS THAN THE

NAZIS KILLED THE JEWS.

NOW, WEç KNOW THEç JUDGMENT

THAT CAME ON NAZI GERMANY,

AND WE FEEL LIKE IT WAS

CORRECT, IT WAS JUST.

WHAT DO WE THINK IS GOING TO

HAPPEN?

AND THIS STORY IS NOT JUST

ABOUT HOW IT APPLIES TO US

OR ABORTION.

IT'S RWANDA, IT'S SUDAN,

IT'S SYRIA, IT'S BOSNIA.

THERE ARE CRUEL, INHUMANE

THINGS HAPPENING, AND THE

QUESTION IS, WHAT AREç WE

GOING TOç DO AS BELIEVERS, AS

WELL AS A COUNTRY.

WE HAVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS

WITH OUR GOVERNMENT AND THE

WEAKNESS I THINK WE'RE

SEEING IN FOREIGN POLICY.

BUT IN IRAN THEY'RE SAYING,

WE'RE GOING TO WIPE OUT THE

JEWS AND WE'RE GOING TO

BUILD NUCLEAR WEAPONS.

THEY'RE NOT SAYING THEY'RE

GOING TO BUILD NUCLEAR

WEAPONS --

Pat: BUT THEY ARE.

WE DID A POLL, AND 80% OF

AMERICANS NOW BELIEVE IF

IRAN GETS NUCLEAR WEAPONS,

THEIR INTENT IS TO BRING

ABOUTç Aç SECOND HOLOCAUST.

THAT'S THE LANGUAGE WE

TESTED, IN ISRAEL, TRYING TO

KILL ALL SIX MILLION JEWS IN

ISRAEL.

OVER 70% BELIEVE THAT A

NUCLEAR HOLOCAUST WILL

HAPPEN HERE.

THAT IRAN MOSTLY WANTS TO

HIT US.

Pat: THAT'S RIGHT.

YOU AND I KNOW THAT.

MANY OF YOUR VIEWERS

INSTINCTIVELY BELIEVE THAT,

AND YET NOT ONLY;Há

GOVERNMENT, BUT THE LEADERS

OF THE WORLD SEEM NOT TO BE

TAKING DECISIVE ACTION TO

DEAL WITH THE EVIL THAT IS

ARRIVING IN IRAN.

Pat: WE'RE SEWING

WORRIED ABOUWE'RE SO

WORRIED ABOUT THE NEXT

PAYCHECK -- LADIES AND

GENTLEMEN, I RECOMMEND THIS

BOOK TO YOU.

WHAT HE HAS SAID HERE IS

SOMETHING YOU OUGHT TO

READ.

AND THIS ISAVAILABLE IN

AMAZON, AND WE'VE GOT IT

HERE.

ç ALLç BOOKSTORES AROUND THE

COUNTRY, AND CBN HAS IT AT

WELL.

Pat: JOEL, THANK YOU SO

MUCH.

GOD BLESS YOU.

GOD BLESS YOU.

GREAT TO SEE YOU.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY.

Pat: I'M GETTING THERE,

MAN.

I WAS READING ABOUT JOSHUA

TODAY.

HE PASSED ON AT 110, SO I'VE

GOT A FEW MORE YEARS TO GO.

[LAUGHTER]

Pat:TERRY?

Terry:ç WELL, COMING UP,

THE MAN ONCE CALLED HERCULES

TAKES ON THE VILLAINS INSIDE

OUR SCHOOL.

I WOULD SAY THIS IS

SOMETHING THAT GOD WANTED ME

TO DO.

AND AT THE END OF THE MOVIE,

YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF CREDITS,

A LOT OF PLACES WHERE THEY

FOUND NIS I THIS IS GOING

ON IN UNIVERSITIES ALL

ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

Terry:çç ACTOR KEVIN

SORBO GIVES US A SNEAK PEEK

AT THE MOVIE "GOD'S NOT

DEAD."

çççççççççç

Pat: WHATEVER HAPPENED

TO ACADEMIC FREEDOM?

A BRIGHT YOUNG COLLEGE

STUDENT RISKS FLUNKING Aç

COURSEç BECAUSE HIS RELIGIOUS

BELIEFS ARE AT ODDS WITH HIS

ATHEIST PROFESSOR.

THAT'S THE PLOT BEHIND THE

UPCOMING MOVIE "GOD'S NOT

DEAD."

AS ACTOR KEVIN SO SORBO

TOLD SCOTT ROSS, IT IS

HAPPENING ACROSS OUR SCHOOLS

ALL ACROSS AMERICA.

Reporter: HE HASçNE

SHAKESPEARE AND PLAYED

HEROS, BUT TODAY KEVIN SORBO

IS MORE COMFORTABLE PLAYING

PROFESSORS IN COLLEGES.

I SAT DOWN TO TALK TO KEVIN

ABOUT HIS NEW FILM "GOD'S

NOT DEAD," WHICH OPENS

APRIL 21st.

MY MOM LOVED OLD MOVIESçç

WITH KATHERINE HEPBURN AND

CAREY GRANT.

AND I WATCHED ALL OF THE

BLACK AND WHITE MOVIES AND I

JUST FELL IN LOVE WITH

THEM.

FOR ME, IT WAS ROBERT

REDFORD AND PAUL NEWMAN.

I KNEW THAT'S WHAT I WANTED

TO DO.

Reporter: SO WAS IT THE

AUDITION ROUTE OR MODELING

ROUTE?

MINNEAPOLIS IS HOMEç TO SOç

MANY BIG CORPORATIONS,

GENERAL MILLS, DAIRY QUEEN,

SO A LOT OF COMMERCIALS ARE

SHOT THERE.

SO I GOT THAT SCREEN ACTORS

GUILD CARD.

Reporter: AFTER ACTING

IN EUROPE AND NEW ZEALAND,

KEVIN MOVED TO L.A.

I THINK THE BEST ADVICE I

GOT WAS FROM A GOOD FRIEND

OF MINE IN MINNESOTA, AND HE

SAID,ç REMEMBER, IT ISç CALLED

SHOW BUSINESS.

SO I TREATED IT LIKE A

BUSINESS.

I WORKED MY BUTT OFF.

AND I WOULD AUDITION AND GO

THROUGH THE PROCESS TO GET

INTO THOSE CLASSES.

Reporter: KEVIN

EVENTUALLY LANDED THE LEAD

ROLE IN THE TELEVISION

SERIES "HERCULES," WHICH

BECOME ONE OF THE TOP SHOWS

IN THE '90s.

AND HE MET AND MARRIED HISçç

LEADING LADY.

WITH ALL OF THE CHANGES IN

HIS LIFE, THERE WAS ONE

CONSTANT, HIS FAITH.

HE WAS IN SEVENTH GRADE WHEN

HE AND A FRIEND ACCEPTED

JESUS AS THEIR SAVIOR AT A

BILLY GRAHAM CRUSADE IN

MINNESOTA.

I REMEMBER HEARING HIM

SPEAK.

AND I WAS AT AN AGE WHERE I

COULD MAKE UP MY OWN MIND,

AND IT SORT OF CLICKED FOR

ME.

Reporter: DID THIS

FAITH;HáUáUPR' YOUç THROUGHOUT

THE YEARS?

I'M NOT PERFECT, BUT I

NEVER STOPPED BELIEVING.

Reporter: IN HIS LATEST

FILM, "GOD'S NOT DEAD," HE

PLAYS AN ATHEIST PROFESSOR

BENT ON CONVERTING HIS

CLASSROOMS.

DO NOT TRY TO HUMILIATE

ME IN FRONT OF MY STUDENTS.

IF YOU TRULY FEEL THE NEED

TO CONTINUEçç WITH THIS

CHARADE, I WILL MAKE IT MY

MISSION TO DESTROY ANY HOPE

OF A LAW DEGREE IN YOUR

FUTURE.

HAVE A NICE DAY.

Reporter: HOW DID YOU

IDENTIFY WITH THIS GUY?

WELL, I HAVE FRIENDS WHO

ARE ATHEISTS.

AND I DON'T MIND HAVING

THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITHOUT

THE WHOLE ANGER THING

ENTERING INTO IT.

I FIND IT VERY STRANGE THAT

SO MANY ATHEISTS SPEND SO

MUCHç TIMEç IN HATRED TOWARDS

PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BELIEVE

IN GOD.

THEY DIDN'T SPEAK THEIR

OWN CHOICE.

THAT'S WHAT GOD WANTS.

Reporter: WAS IT

DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO SPEAK

SOME OF THE LINES YOU HAVE

TO SPEAK AS AN ATHEIST?

YEAH.

I JUST THINK THIS IS

SOMETHING GOD WANTED ME DO

DO.

TO ME, H7VE KNOWNç COLLEGE

PROFESSORS LIKE THIS.

I'VE TALKED TO MANY PEOPLE,

AND MY NIECES AND NEPHEWS

ARE IN COLLEGE AND THEY SAY

THEY MET WITH PROFESSORS

LIKE THIS.

AT THE END OF THE MOVIE,

YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF CREDITS,

A LOT OF PLACES WHERE THE

SOURCES ARE WHERE THEY FOUND

THIS IS GOING ON IN

UNIVERSITIES ALL ACROSS THIS

COUNTRY.

Reporter: THE MOVIE WAS

INSPIRED BY THE BOOK "GOD'S

NOT DEAD," BY ARTHUR RICE

BROOKS, AND IT FEATURESç Aé-POPULAR SON BY THE NEWS

BOYS.

* GOD'S NOT DEAD

Reporter: HOW DO YOU,

OR DON'T YOU, CONVINCE

PEOPLE THERE IS A GOD?

SOMETHING STARTED ALL OF

THIS.

IT'S ALL TOO AMAZINGLY

PERFECT TO JUST HAVE

HAPPENED.

AND I GO TO MY ATHEIST

FRIENDS, IF I'M WRONG, I'VE

LOST NOTHING.

BUT IF I'M RIGHT, I'VE

GAINED EVERYTHING.ç

RepobtNIiñ KEVIN SAYS

THIS MOVIE ISN'T JUST FOR

CHRISTIANS.

I DON'T WANT TO PREACH TO

THE CHOIR.

I WANT ALL OF THE CHRISTIANS

TO SEE "GOD'S NOT DEAD," BUT

I WANT THE GUYS WHO HAVEN'T

MADE UP THEIR MIND.

THEY'RE AGNOSTIC, AND THEY

FIGURE, MAYBE THERE IS

SOMETHING -- I DON'T KNOW.

I WANT IT TO PROVOKE

CONVERSATION WITH PEOPLE.

AND LOOK AT IT AND GO,ç

]AYBE.

TO GET PEOPLE TO THINK A

LITTLE BIT.

THEN WE'VE DONE OUR JOB.

Pat: THANKS.

GREAT INTERVIEW.

KEVIN IS A TERRIFIC GUY.

Terry: LOOKS LIKE A

WONDERFUL MOVIE.

Pat: YEAH, IT DOES.

MY GOODNESS, I THINK YOU

OUGHT TO GO SEE IT.

Terry: THE MOVIE,

"GOD'S NOT DEAD," OPENS IN

THEATERS NATIONWIDE

TOMORROW, AND YOU CAN GO TOç

cbn.com TOç SEE WHERE IT IS

PLAYING.

STILL TO COME, HE HAS BEEN

CALLED AMERICA'S BEST

PREACHER AND HAS BEEN DUBBED

AS ONE OF THE MOST

INFLUENTIAL EF CULLS

EVANGELICALS IN THE

COUNTRY.

T.D. JAKES IS GOING TO JOIN

US LIVE, NEXT.

çççççç

AND WELCOME BACK TO "THE

700 CLUB."

22% OF THE WORLD'S

CHRISTIANS FACE PERSECUTION

TODAY.

THAT'S ACCORDING TO

PROFESSOR TODD JOHNSON OF

GORDON CONWELL THEOLOGICAL

SEMINARY.

ABOUT 500 MILLION BELIEVERS

LIVEç IN COUNTRIES HOSTILE TO

THEIR FAITH.

THE PROFESSOR SAYS

CHRISTIANS ARE PERSECUTED IN

46 COUNTRIES, AND OVER HALF

OF THOSE COUNTRIES ARE

MUSLIM.

JOHNSON SAYS THE PERSECUTORS

ARE COMMONLY NEIGHBORS OR

GROUPS IN SOCIETY RATHER

THAN GOVERNMENTS.

AND HE HOPES MORE AMERICAN

CHRISTIANS RECOGNIZE AND

BECOME CONCERNED ABOUT THE

DIFFICULTIES FACED BY THEIR

FELLOW BELIEVERS.

AND IN HEALTH NEWS, NOT

GETTING ENOUGH SLEEPç MIGHTç

LITERALLY KILL YOUR BRAIN

CELLS.

A NEW STUDY ON MICE FOUND

THAT THE LACK OF SLEEP DID

DAMAGE TO THE BRAIN, AND

GETTING THOSE EXTRA HOURS OF

SLEEP LATER MIGHT NOT BE

ENOUGH TO MAKE UP FOR IT.

RESEARCHERS AT THE

UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA

DID THEIR INVESTIGATION ON

MICE AND THEY SAY IT

PROVIDES EVIDENCE THAT NOT

GETTING ENOUGH SHUT-EYE CAN

LEAD TOçç IRREVERSIBLE INJURY

TO THE BRAIN.

YOU CAN ALWAYS GET THE

LATEST NEWS BYGOING TO OUR

WEBSITE AT CBNNEWS.COM.

PAT AND TERRY AND BISHOP

JAKES WILL BE BACK WITH MORE

ON SLURNTION "THE 700

CLUB," RIGHT AFTER THIS.

çççççç

Terry: WHAT'S HOLDING

YOU BACK?

DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE NOT

LIVING UP TO YOUR

POTENTIAL?

OR DO YOU FEEL AS IF YOU'RE

ENTIRE LIFE IS MISALIGNED

AND OUT OF SYNC?

IF SO, YOU'RE NOT ALONE.

TAKE A LOOK.ç

MANY PEOPLE GO THROUGH

LIFE NOT KNOWING WHO THEY

ARE OR WHERE THEY'RE GOING.

THEY FLOAT ALONG FEELING

UNFULFILLED AND

UNSATISFIED.

OPPORTUNITIES PASS THEM BY

BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT

TO DO OR WHEN TO DO IT.

THEY'RE BOUND BY FEAR AND

UNCERTAINTY.

BUT THERE IS HOPE.

BISHOP T.D. JAKES BELIEVES

THATç@QA1TO TRUST

THEIR GOD-GIVEN INSTINCTS.

Terry: JOINING US NOW,

AND WE'RE THRILLED TO HAVE

HIM BACK, BISHOP T.D.

JAKES.

THANKS SO MUCH.

Terry: WELCOME TO "THE

700 CLUB."

FASCINATING BOOK.

YOU TALK ABOUT THE VALUE OF

THE BASIC INSTINCT THAT IS

AS MUCH A PART OF US AS THE

AIR WEBREATHE, YOU SAY.

ABSOLUTELY.

THIS ALL STARTED WITH THEK3

TRIP YOUç TOOK TO

JOHANNESBURG.

TELL US ABOUT THAT.

IWENT TO JOHANNESBURG,

AND I WAS ON A SAFARI THERE,

AND IT WAS MY FIRST TIME.

AND OUT THERE, I HAD THE

PRIVILEGE OF GOING ON THE

TOUR WITH A ZOOLOGIST, IN

THE COMPANYOF A ZOOLOO, AND

THE ZOOLOGIST IT WAS

EXPLAINING ALL ABOUT THE

GIRAFFES AND THEHEç COULD EXPLAIN DOWN TOELEPHANTS.

THE MINUTE DETAIL, THEIR

TEETH, THEIR MATING PATTERNS

AND SLEEPINGPATTERNS,

EVERYTHING ABOUT THEM.

BUT WHEN IT CAME TIME TO

FIND THEM, THE ZOOLOO SAID,

THE ELEPHANT IS OVER THERE.

AND I THOUGHT ALL OF THIS

INTELLECT CAN DESCRIBE IT,

BUT ONLY INSTINCT CAN FIND

IT.

Terry: TALK A LITTLE

ABOUT THAT.

YOU SAY IN THE BOOK IT'S

PARTOUR D.N.A., THAé HTç

IS BUILT INTO US.

YES.

FOR WHAT PURPOSE?

I THINK WE GRAPPLE WITH

THE COMPLEXITIES OF

UNDERSTANDING THE PURPOSE OF

GOD.

WE HAVE THE OVERALL VIEW

THAT IT IS REVEALED TO US

THROUGH THE WORD.

BUT THE SPECIFICITY OF WHAT

IS GOD'S PURPOSE FOR ME --

NOT THE CHURCH, NOT

ISRAEL -- FOR ME, THAT

LEAVES US STOMPED.

Iç BELIEVEç THAT GOD PUT OUR

DESTINY INSIDE OF US.

IF YOU WOULD GO WITH YOUR

GUT, IF YOU WOULD LISTEN

WITH YOUR HEART, AND TO

FOLLOW THOSE INSTINCTS WILL

PUT YOU ON A PATH WHERE YOU

ARE BEST SUITED, WHERE YOU

ARE THE MOST CREATIVE, WHERE

YOU ARE THE MOST FUNCTIONAL,

AND WHERE YOU ARE THE MOST

LOVED.

Terry: I KNOW THERE IS

SOMETHING SPECIAL ABOUT WHAT

YOU'RE WRITING HERE BECAUSE

I KNOW SOç MANY PEOPLEç LIVING

UNFULFILLED LIVES, UNHAPPY

WITH THEIR JOBS, AND THEIR

PERSONAL LIVES ARE MESSED

UP.

TALK ABOUT THAT BASIC

INSTINCT BECAUSE THAT COULD

BE A GOOD THING AND THAT

COULD BE A BAD THING.

HOW CAN WE ARE SURE IT IS

ALIGNED WITH GOD?

I THINK YOU HAVE TO

SEPARATE INSTINCTS FROM

URGES.

Terry: BOY, THAT'S

TRUE.

BECAUSE WEç ALL HAVEç THESE

URGES.

BUTINSTINCTS CENTER MORE

ABOUT WHAT HAS GOD PUT IN

ME?

NO WONDER I'M ATTRACTED THAT

WAY.

NO WONDER I WORK WELL IN

QUIET OR SILENCE.

OR MY STRENGTH IS

INTERACTING WITH PEOPLE.

AND THEN INVESTING IN YOUR

GIFT.

ONCE YOUIDENTIFY IT, YOU

HAVE TO INVEST IN IT.

YOU HAVE TO SUPPORT IT.

YOU HAVE TO PUT YOURSELF IN

AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE YOU CAN

STRIVE.

Terry: HOW MUCHç DOES

PASRYON PLAY IDENTIFYING

IT?

BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE SEEM TO

HAVE A HARD TIME FIGURING

OUT WHAT IS MY BASIC

INSTINCT?

WHAT ARE MY GIFTS?

I TRY TO BREAK IT DOWN IN

SUCH A WAY THAT EVEN PEOPLE

WHO ARE NOT DEEPLY SPIRITUAL

CAN GET IN TOUCH WITH WHO

THEY ARE.

AND PART OF IT IS WHAT JESUS

SAID?

WHO DO MEN SAY I AM?

HOW DO I MAKE YOUçç FEEL?

YOU WOULD BE SURPRISED HOW

YOU MIRROR WITH PEOPLE, AND

PEOPLE BEGIN TO REFLECT BACK

TO YOU WHO YOU ARE, AND

HELPS YOU DEFINE HOW YOU

ARE, THINGS YOU DON'T NOTICE

ABOUT YOURSELF.

YOU CANNOT UTILIZE WHAT YOU

CANNOT IDENTIFY.

Terry: UH-HUH.

IT IS ALMOST LIKE YOU BECOME

YOUR OWN SELF-FULFILLING

PROPHECY ONCE YOU IDENTIFY

THAT.

RIGHT.

Terry: TALK Aç LITTLE(%%já

DO BELIEVE WE ALL HAVE

DESTINY?

ABSOLUTELY.

Terry: HOW DO YOU MATCH

THIS INSTINCT YOU'RE WANTING

TO DISCOVER IN YOURSELF, AND

YOUR PURPOSE, WITH THE

DESTINY OF YOUR LIFE?

DESTINY AT ITS ROOT IS

YOURDESTINATION, THEN YOUR

INSTINCTSYOUR

TRANSPORTATION.

IT IS THE G.P.S.-GUIDED

SYSTEM THAT HELPS YOU TOGET

TO WHAT YOU ARE PREDESTINED

TOç DO.

THAT ARE NOT BROKEN.

THERE IS A REASON WHY YOU

ARE WHO YOU ARE.

THERE IS A REASON YOU'RE

CREATED THIS WAY, SO YOU CAN

FULFILL YOUR DESTINY.

INSTEAD OF TRYING TO TURN

INTO MY BEST VERSION OF

SOMEBODY ELSE, WHAT I WANT

TO BE MY BEST EXPRESSION OF

MYSELF.

AND TO APPRECIATE THAT I AM

FEARFULLY AND MARVELOUSLY

MADE.

AND THE REASON I'M SHAPED

THIS WAY IS BECAUSEZÑ FIT¿

THIS PART OF THE PUZZLE.

Terry: AND YOU SAY THAT

INSTINCT MULTIPLIES

SUCCESS.

YES.

YES.

Terry: SO WHEN WE TUNE

IN WITH WHAT YOU'RE TALKING

ABOUT, WHEN WE IDENTIFY IT

AND GET AHOLD OF THAT, IT

CHANGES OUR WHOLE LIFE.

WE BEGIN TO PROSPER

FINANCIALLY BECAUSE WE'RE

THE MOST FRUITFUL WHERE WE

ARE THE MOST GIFTED.

AND THEN WE BEGIN TO INVEST

INTO THAT.

AND MORE THAN MONEY --

BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE

HAVEN'T FOUND PURPOSE.

Terry: BOY, ISN'T THAT

TRUE.

THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE

WHO HAVE PLENTY OF MONEY BUT

THEY'RE SAYING, THERE IS

SOMETHING ELSE IN ME.

IF YOU LISTEN, IT IS ALMOST

LIKE THE PACING OF A LION IN

THE CAGE.

THERE IS SOMETHING ELSE

ROARING DOWN INSIDE OF YOU.

PAY ATTENTION TO THAT.

FIND THE GATE TO THAT CAGE

AND OPEN THAT CAGE.

RUN THAT WHILEç YOU STILLç

HAVE THE ENERGY AND STRENGTH

TO DO IT.

Terry: IT IS

INTERESTING THAT YOU

MENTIONED MONEY.

BECAUSE SO OFTEN WHEN WE

FEEL THAT PACING GOING ON

INSIDE OF US, WHEN

EVERYTHING ISN'T CLICKING

AND GOING WHERE WE WANT IT

TO, WE LOOK FOR THE ANSWER

OUTSIDE OF US.

NOT JUST MONEY, BUT

RELATIONSHIPS, FRIENDS,

WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE.

AND ALL THE TIME THAT GOLDEN

TREASURE IS IN YOU.

YOU CANNOT GIVEç YOURSELF

TO SOMEONE IFç YOU DON'T KNOW

WHO YOU ARE.

Terry: YOU SHOULDN'T.

YOU SHOULDN'T.

YOU WOULDN'T BE VALUED

APPROPRIATELY IN THE

RELATIONSHIP.

YOU HAVE TO KNOW WHAT YOU

BRING TO THE TABLE, WHETHER

YOU'RE GOINGINTO A

RELATIONSHIP, OR GOING INTO

ABUSINESS, OR GOING INTO A

JOB.

YOU CAN'T JUST GO TO A JOB

WANT ME TO DO.

WHAT IS YOUR CONCLUSION?

WHAT IS THE DERIVITIVE?

I WANT TO TALK TO YOU

WHAT JOEL TALKED ABOUT, AND

WHAT MY HAVE BEEN MISSING

DURING THATç TIMEç WAS

DISCIPLESHIP.

AND YOU TALK ABOUT INSTINCT

TO SHIFT.

AND YOU SAID, OUR GENERATION

HAS DONE THE WORST JOB OF

WINNINGOUR CHILDREN'S

GENERATION TO CHRISTIN THE

HISTORYOF THE CHURCH.

HOW DO WE FIX THAT?

IT IS A HUGE PROBLEM.

I THINK THEPROBLEM IS WE

GOT SO CAUGHT UP IN MAKING A

LIVING, WE LOST THE ABILITY

TO MAKE A LIFE.

AND WITH BOTH PARENTSç

WORKING -- LET'S BEGINç WITH

THBABY-BOOMERS -- THE KIDS

WEREALONE.

THE COMPUTERSTHE

LAPTOPS ANDTHE TELEVISION

RAISEDTHEM.

AND RAISEDTHEM THROUGH

VEHICLES WE HAD NOT ENTERED

INTO.

Terry: AND DIDN'T

UNDERSTAND THE MESSAGE

BEHIND IT.

AND WE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND

THE MESSAGE AND THE POWER OF

THE MESSAGE.

I THINK WE HAVE TO SIT DOWN

AND HAVE THOSE TALKS.

IN OUR GENERATION, WE MIGHT

HAVE BEENAWAY,ç BUT WE CAME

BACK TO IT BECAUSE IT IS IN

OUR ROOTS.

THE MILLENNIUMS ARE NOT

CHURCH ORIENTED.

THEY HAVE NOT BEEN TO BIBLE

SCHOOL.

EVEN THOUGH WE DRIFTED AWAY

AND WENT INTO THE WILDNESS

OF THE '60s, WE HAD A

FOUNDATION TO DRAW BACK TO.

I'M CONCERNED WE NEED TO DO

MORE TO BUILD THEIR

FOUNDATION.

Terry: BOY, I'M WITH

YOU ON THAT ONE.

LET ME SHIFT GEARS FOR A

MINUTE.

I WANT TOç MENTION THAT YOUç

ARE NOW, IN ADDITION TO ALL

OF THE THINGS THAT YOU DO, A

MOVIE PRODUCER.

YOU PRODUCED THIS MOVIE

"HEAVEN IS REAL."

TALK ABOUT THAT.

I HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF

MEETING THE BERBOS.

AN AMAZING FAMILY.

I WAS SPEAKING AT ED YOUNG'S

CHURCH WHEN TODD BERPO WAS

IN THE CROWD.

HE APPROACHED MEçç AFTERWARDS

AND SAID, LISTEN, I'VE GOT

THIS BOOK WE'RE TALKING

ABOUT BRINGING TO A MOVIE,

AND I WANT YOU TO BE THE

PRODUCER.

AND I SAID, OKAY, SEND ME

THE BOOK.

AND I READ THE BOOK, AND I

COULDN'T BELIEVE THE BOOK.

Terry: IT IS AN AMAZING

STORY.

ABOUT A LITTLE BOY WHO

ALMOST DIED ON AN OPERATING

TABLE AND COMES BACK WITH

DESCRIPTIONS OF HEAVEN AND

LOVED ONES AND PEOPLE THAT

HE WASN'T SUPPOSED TO KNOW.

AND IT IS A TRUEçç STORY.

AND THAT'S WHAT'S SO

POWERFUL ABOUT IT.

AND THANKFULLY SONY AGREED

TO JUMP IN AND BE PART OF

IT.

IT IS COMING OUT THIS EASTER

WEEKEND.

A VERY IN INSPIRATIONAL

MOVIE.

Terry: I WANT TO PLUG

BOTH OF THE THINGS YOU'RE

INVOLVED WITH.

THE BOOK IS CALLED

"INSTINCT, THE POWER TO

UNLEASH YOUR UNBORN DRIVE."

YOU WANT TO BE SURE TOç GET

YOUR COPY.ç

IF YOU WANT TO KNOW MORE

WITH BISHOP JAKES, GO TO OUR

WEBSITE AT cbn.com, WHERE

HE SITS DOWN WITH US FOR A

BEHIND-THE-SCENES SEGMENT

CALLED "IN THE GREEN ROOM."

AND DON'T THE FORGET TO

WATCH FOR THAT MOVIE COMING

UP AT EASTER TIME.

WHAT A PERFECT TIME TO

RELEASE THAT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

IT IS ALWAYS A TREAT TO HAVE

YOU HERE.

THANK YOU.

Terry: COMING UP NEXT,

WE HAVE YOUR E-MAIL

QUESTIONS.

ROBIN SAYS, "I KNOW YOU

BELIEVE THATç THEç RAPTURE

HAPPENS AFTER THE

TRIBULATION.

WHY WOULD GOD MAKE US ENDURE

THAT TREATMENT?

IF WE HAVE TO ENDURE THE

SAME AS THE UNJUST, WHAT

SENSE DOES THAT MAKE?"

WE'LL BE BACK AFTER THIS.

ççççç

Terry: TIME FOR YOUR

E-MAIL QUESTIONS, SO "BRING

IT ON."

THIS IS ROBIN, WHO SAYS, HOW

DO YOU EXPLAIN WHAT HAPPENS

IN THESSALONIANS, IF YOU SAY

THERE IS NO RAPTURE UNTIL

AFTER THE TRIBULATION.

I'VE BEEN TAUGHT THAT IT

HAPPENS BEFORE THE LAST

SEVEN YEARS.

IF WE HAVE TO ENDURE THEç

SAME JUDGMENTS ASç THE

UNSAVED DO, WHAT SENSE DO

THAT MAKE?"

Pat: I'M SORRY, BUT IF

YOU READ THESSALONIANS, I

WANT TO SAY, HERE IS WHAT IT

SAYS.

WE WHO ARE ALIVE AND REMAIN

UNTIL THE COMING OF THE LORD

SHALL NOT GO AHEAD OF THOSE

WHO ARE DEAD.

THE LORD WILL SHOUT THE

VOICE OF THE ARCH ANGEL WITH

A TRUMP OF GODç ANDç THE DEAD

WILL RISE FIRST.

THAT'S THE RAPTURE, DOES IT

SOUND LIKE A QUIET SLIPPING

AWAY?

TRUMPETS, SHOUTS.

I SAID THER READ THAT AND

SAID THERE IS NOTHING QUIET

ABOUT THAT.

Terry: AND THERE HAVE

BEEN MANY CHRISTIANS OVER

THE YEARS WHO HAVE SUFFERED

SEVERE TRIBULATIONS.

Pat: THE WHOLE CHURCH

IN CHINA WAS DECIMATED

BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN

TAUGHT BEFORE THE LORD

RAPTURED.

THEY WENT THROUGH THE

COMMUNIST PERSECUTION, AND

THEY SAID THE BIBLE ISN'T

TRUE.

AND GOD DIDN'T RAPTURE US,

AND THEREFORE WE'RE GOING TO

LEAVE THE FAITH.

LISTEN, THE BIBLE DOESN'T

SAY THAT HE THAT ENDURES TO

THE END SHALL BE SAVED.

YOU MAKE UP YOUR OWN DESIRE

OF WHAT YOU THINK IS RIGHT

AND WHAT IS WRONG.

BUT THE LORD SAID WHAT IS

GOING TO HAPPEN.

HE SAID IMMEDIATELY AFTER

THE TRIBULATION OF THOSEç

DAYS, YOU'LLç SEE THE SON OF

MAN IN HEAVEN.

READ MATTHEW 24.

WE DON'T MAKE THIS STUFF

UP.

GOD TELLS US WHAT IS GOING

TO HAPPEN.

AND WE WILL BE LIFTED UP TO

BE WITH HIM WHEN HE COMES

BACK AGAIN.

AND THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT

IS.

AND I'M SORRY THIS OTHER

STUFF -- I'M GOING TO SAY IT

AS CLEARLY AS I CAN, IT IS

HARASSY.

IT WAS NEVER TAUGHT IN THEç

CHURCHç UNTIL THE IRVINGITES,

AND THE 17-YEAR-OLD GIRLS

STARTED BRINGING THIS

PROPHECY, SPEAKING AND

TONGUES.

UP UNTIL THAT TIME, THE

CHURCH KNEW NOTHING ABOUT

THE DOUBLE RAPTURE STUFF.

IT JUST ISN'T THERE.

Terry: THIS IS LONGI

FROM SOUTH AFRICA, WHO SAYS,

"WHEN ONE IS GIVEN THE WORD

OF KNOWLEDGE TO SHARE WITH

OTHER, WHEN WILL ITç4Z59%

IF FOR INSTANCE IT

IS NOT

FOR HEALING,

BUT

FOR

SOMETHING LIKE RELATIONSHIP

RESTORATION DOES IT TAKE

DAYS OR WEEKS, OR IS IT

GOING TO MANIFEST IN GOD'S

TIME?

AND WHAT DOES GOD EXPECT US

TO DO ONCE WE RECEIVE THE

WORD OF KNOWLEDGE FROM HIM?

DO WE ACT OUT IN FAITH OR DO

WE WAIT?"

Pat: ALL OF THE ABOVE.

PRAISE GOD.

THANK HIM.

THE WORDç OFç KNOWLEDGE, I

RECEIVE IT.

THANK YOU, LORD.

HE HAS HEALED MY BODY, HE IS

GOING TO BRING MY MARRIAGE

TOGETHER.

Terry: YOU WATCH FOR

IT.

Pat: HOW LONG DOES IT

TAKE PLACE?

IT MAY BE INSTANTLY.

IT MAY BE A MONTH OR YEARS.

THE PROMISES IN THE BIBLE,

HOW LONG DID THEY TAKE?

A DAY WITH THE LORD IS A

THOUSAND YEARS.

IF GOD SAYS IT, IT WILL

HAPPEN.

Terry: THIS IS JAKE WHO

SAID,ç "Iç GAVE MY LIFE TO

CHRIST SIX YEARS AGO.

I'VE NOTICED THE GIFT OF

WORD OF KNOWLEDGE IS WORKING

AT "THE 700 CLUB."

IS THERE ANYTHING YOU FOLKS

DO TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN?

I DON'T KNOW BY I'M NOT

SEEING THE GIFTS OF THE HOLY

SPIRIT IN MY LIFE."

Pat: THE BIBLE

SAYS, "THEY SPOKE AS THE

SPIRIT GAVE UTTERANCE."

THE SPIRIT GIVES THE

UTTERANCE ANDç THEYç SPEAK.

THOSE OF YOU WHO PRO

PROPHESY, YOU REACH OUT AND

PROTECTIVE IN THE PRESENCE

OF GOD.

REALIZE YOU COULD BE

MISTAKEN.

WE SEE THROUGH A DARK

GLASS.

I AM VERY SCARED OF THESE

PEOPLE WHO ALWAYS THINK

THEY'VE GOT A WORD OF GOD,

AND THEY'VE HEARD FROM THE

THRONE RIGHT NOW.

WE SEE THROUGH A GLASS

DARKLY, ANDç IF YOUç APPROACH

THE GIFTS OF GOD WITH

HUMILITY, THE LORD WILL WORK

THEM OUT IN YOUR LIFE.

BUT HOW DO YOU DO IT?

HOW DO WE FIRST HAVE A WORD

OF KNOWLEDGE?

WE WERE LISTENING, AND WE

WERE PRAYING, AND GOD SPOKE

TO US, AND WE SPOKE IT OUT.

AND SOMETHING HAPPENED.

THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS.

AND SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T

HAPPEN.

Terry: SO YOU WALK WITH

THE LORD AS CLOSELY AS YOU

CAN.

Pat: YOU WALK BYç FAITH

ANDç NOT BY SIGHT.

Terry: THAT'S ALL OF

THE TIME WE HAVE FOR "BRING

IT ON."

BUT THE WEATHER IS STARTING

TO WARM UP.

AND WE HOPE IT WILL HOLD.

THE GROUNDHOG HAS SEEN HIS

SHADOW, AND IT IS SPRINGTIME

AT CBN.

THAT MEANS ONE THING, WE'LL

CELEBRATE PAT'S BIRTHDAY.

AND THAT'S NEXT.

Pat: HALLELUJAH!

çççççççç

Terry: CHAOS IN THE

STUDIO BECAUSE ALL OF US

LOVE PAT SO MUCH, AND WE

WANTED TO JUST STAND WITH

YOU AND SAY WE THANK THE

LORD FOR YOU.ç

Pat:ç MY BIRTHDAY IS

ACTUALLY SATURDAY.

I WAS BORN THE FIRST DAY

AFTER SPRING.

SO JUST IN CASE --

Terry: THAT WAS WISE OF

YOUR MOTHER.

Pat: SHE HAD IT ALL

PLANNED FOR ME.

AND I AM MOVING INTO 84

YEARS.

Terry: YAY!

[APPLAUSE]

Terry: SLOWLY MOVING

INTO 84, CAN I SAY.

Pat: THERE IS A PICTURE

OF ME --

Terry:çç DOING YOUR

FAVORITE THING.

Pat: I WAS TALKING TO

MY LITTLE GIRL WHO TAKES

CARE OF THE HORSES, AND I

SAID, I'M TRYING TO GET MY

HORSE TO DO FLYING CIRCLES,

AND HE IS NOT DOING IT

RIGHT.

AND SHE SAID, SIR, MOST

PEOPLE WHO ARE 84 ARE

SITTING IN A ROCKING CHAIR.

I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR

JOINING US.

AND THERE IS THE WONDERFUL

STAFF FROM REGENT AND THE

PEOPLE HERE AT CBN.ç

I HATE TOç CUT THIS, IT IS SO

PRETTY.

Terry: IT IS SO

BEAUTIFUL.

BUT YOU ARE A PRO AT THIS.

Pat: ISN'T THAT A

PRETTY PICTURE?

Terry: IT'S BEAUTIFUL.

Pat: GIVE ME A

CLOSEUP.

Terry: YOU WANT TO

LIFT, WENDY, ON YOUR SIDE.

Terry: THAT'S WHAT HE

DOES WHEN HE IS NOT IN THE

STUDIO.

Wendy: HE'S ON HIS

HORSE.

Pat: IT'S A BEAUTIFUL

CAKE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.ç

AND, FOéK"1ñ I GUESS THAT'S

ALL OF THE TIME WE'VE GOT.

I APPRECIATE T.D. JAKES

BEING HERE WITH US.

HE IS A GREAT FRIEND.

WE LEAVE YOU WITH THIS POWER

MINUTE FROM 3 JOHN: "I PRAY

THAT YOU MAY PROSPER IN ALL

THINGS AND BE IN HEALTH,

JUST AS YOUR SOUL

PROSPERS."

AND WE PROSPER AND PRAISE

GOD AND WE THANK GOD FOR ALL

OF YOU.

SEE YOU TOMORROW.çç

[APPLAUSE]

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