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700 Club Canada: May 13, 2014

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HELLO I'M LAURA

LYNN TYLER THOMPSON AND

WELCOME TO THE 700 CLUB

CANADA. WE'VE GOT A

BRILLIANT SHOW IN STORE FOR YOU

TODAY CONTINUING A SPECIAL

INTERVIEW SERIES ON

MOTHERHOOD THAT WE STARTED

YESTERDAY WITH CHRISTIAN

SPEAKER, AUTHOR, AND PASTOR

LAURIE HEARTSWORN. WE'RE

DISCUSSING THE POWER OF

PRAYER TODAY AND YOU ARE

NOT GOING TO WANT TO MISS

THIS. ALSO, YOU'LL MEET AN

ATHEIST COLD CASE HOMICIDE

DETECTIVE WHO TURNED HIS

DETECTIVES EYE ON THE GOSPELS

WITH STARTLING RESULTS AS WELL

AS A MAN FALSELY ACCUSED OF

A CRIME HE DIDN'T COMMIT.

BUT RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT

BRIAN IN THE WINGS WITH

LAURIE HEARTSWORN.

THANK YOU LAURA LYNN

YOU KNOW ALL WEEK WE'RE

TALKING ABOUT A MOTHER'S

JOURNEY AND HOW YOU CAN

FIND STRENGTH IN JESUS OR THE

JOURNEY. REMEMBER, IT'S

NOT ABOUT A DESTINATION, BUT

THERE'S JOY IN THE JOURNEY

WHEN YOU UNDERSTAND WHO'S

LEADING YOU ALONG THE WAY.

ALL WEEK WE'VE BEEN TALKING

WITH LAURIE HEARTSWORN

ABOUT HER JOURNEY AND

ALSO THE POWER OF PRAYER AND

THE POWER OF GOD. SO, SHE'S

NO STRANGER BUT WELCOME

BACK LAURIE.

THANK YOU.

YOU KNOW I APPRECIATE

EVERY TIME WE GET AN

OPPORTUNITY TO TALK. I

MEAN YESTERDAY YOURSELF

AND LAURA LYNN, YOU GUYS

HAD A WONDERFUL INTIMATE

BUT A VERY VULNERABLE TIME

AS WELL. YOU WERE TALKING

ABOUT YOUR OWN EXPERIENCE

AND BEING A PASTOR, A

CONFERENCE SPEAKER, A

MOTHER, AND ALSO A SCHOOL

TEACHER BEFORE THAT. THIS HAS

BEEN A JOURNEY FOR YOU. TAKE

ME BACK TO BEING A SCHOOL

TEACHER THOUGH. I WANT TO

LOOK AT THAT A LITTLE BIT

BECAUSE WHAT MADE YOU GO

INTO EDUCATION AND WANT TO

TEACH CHILDREN?

WELL YOU KNOW I'D

SAY THE LORD LED ME INTO IT. I

HAD SIGHTS SET ON A MUSIC

DEGREE AND THEN WHEN I WENT

AWAY FOR THE SCHOOL I WENT

TO I LOST MY VOICE, KIND OF

HARD TO DO A MUSIC DEGREE

AND HE REALLY DIRECTED ME

INTO EDUCATION AND I JUST

THINK I HAVE SUCH A PASSION

FOR EQUIPPING PEOPLE AND

HELPING PEOPLE DO BETTER.

YES.

AND THAT'S WHAT TEACHERS

GET TO DO. WE GET TO HELP

PEOPLE DO BETTER AND I LOVED

I'VE TAUGHT FOR OVER, WELL

ALMOST 25 YEARS. YOU KNOW?

LIKE, I MUST BE ANCIENT OR

SOMETHING.

NO, THAT WAS JUST

YESTERDAY.

THAT WAS YESTERDAY

EXACTLY, I LOVED IT, I TAUGHT

MAINLY GRADES FIVE TO EIGHT, I

GOT TO TEACH MUSIC WHICH IS

THE PASSION IN MY LIFE AND IT

WAS JUST SUCH A JOY FOR ME

BRIAN. I JUST LOVED ON ALL

THOSE KIDS AND IT'S SO FUN

NOW WHEN YOU SEE THEM

OF COURSE, THEY RECOGNIZE YOU

BUT THEY'RE ALL GROWN UP.

WHAT GOD DOES IN YOUR

LIFE, IT'S SUCH A GREAT.

MRS. HEARTSWORN, DO YOU

REMEMBER WHEN?

OH YEAH, SO GREAT.

MY MOM WAS A SCHOOL

TEACHER AS WELL FOR ALMOST

40 YEARS SO I'VE GOT PASSION

FOR THAT. YOU KNOW, WHEN

YOU'VE GIVEN SO MUCH TO SO

MANY OTHER CHILDREN AND

THEN YESTERDAY YOU WERE

TALKING ABOUT HOW YOU WOULD

GET RATS IN THE IN HOME.

SOMETIMES RATS CAN COME IN

AND REALLY TAKE OVER THE

HOUSE. AND IT MAKES US

ALMOST FEEL LIKE WE'RE

BEING IN A WAY, WE'RE

JUST BEING, YOU KNOW,

SHAMED BY THE ENEMY,

LIKE HE'S JUST GIVING US THE

BOOTS BECAUSE WE'RE OUT

ON ONE PART AND WE'RE

STRONG AND WE'RE DOING

GREAT BUT WHEN WE'RE AT

HOME IT SEEMS LIKE THINGS

ARE GOING TO HELL IN A

HAND BASKET.

I REMEMBER GETTING

A PHONE CALL ONE DAY

AND IT WAS AT WORK

AND I WAS LOVING MY

WORK. I'VE SEEN GOD USE ME

AT MY WORK, YOU KNOW, WITH

THESE KIDS, AND I'M THINKING

MAN I'VE GOT SUCH A GREAT

INFLUENCE WITH KIDS AND THEN

I PICK UP THE PHONE AT MY

OFFICE AND IT'S THE HIGH SCHOOL

PRINCIPLE. AND TI'S ABOUT MY

SON AND HE'S DESCRIBING THIS

BOY THAT I'M LOOKING, I DON'T

KNOW WHO YOU'RE TALKING

ABOUT.

YES.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

LIKE MY BOY? LIKE, HOW?

AND I FELT SUCH DEFEAT AND

FAILURE BRIAN AS A MOM

THINKING I CAN TEACH ALL THESE

KIDS BUT I OBVIOUSLY CLEARLY

CANNOT RAISE MY OWN CHILDREN

YOU KNOW?

NOW WHAT DOES GOD DO

WITH YOU ON THAT? BECAUSE I

LOVE HOW YOU'RE SO

VULNERABLE WITH THIS AND SO

TRANSPARENT BECAUSE ON ONE

HAND YOU'RE MRS. HEARTSWORN

YOU'RE THE GREATEST TEACHER.

WELL, I DON'T KNOW. I GOT

A FEW OF THOSE MUGS THAT

SAID THAT, YOU KNOW?

AND A FEW APPLES.

YEAH.

BUT CAN GOD USE YOU IN

THAT MOMENT WHEN IT FEELS

LIKE YOU'VE BEEN PUNCHED IN

THE GUT BECAUSE I KNOW

SOMEONE HAS BEEN LOOKING AT

THIS AND SAYING.

YOU KNOW I FELT.

DISQUALIFIED.

I FELT DISQUALIFIED. THAT

IS IT. I FELT DISQUALIFIED. I

THOUGHT HOW, AND THEN WE

WERE WORSHIP LEADERS AT OUR

CHURCH, IT GETS WORSE. SO, YOU

KNOW, I'M THINKING, MY

HUSBAND AND I ARE JUST

THINKING WE'RE JUST

DISQUALIFIED. LIKE, ISN'T THERE

A VERSE SOMEWHERE, IF YOU

CAN'T LEAD YOUR FAMILY

YOU CAN'T LEAD OTHERS?

AND WE WERE JUST, WELL

THAT'S US, WE MUST STEP

OUT. BUT I WOULD SAY

BRIAN THAT ACTUALLY I CAN

SEE HOW THE ENEMY GOES

AFTER VERY OFTEN CHRISTIAN

LEADERS AND ANY OF US WHO

WERE ALL CALLED TO BE

MINISTERS TO THE GOSPELS OF

CHRIST.

SURE.

AND HE'S GOING TO GO AFTER

THE THING THAT IS EITHER OUR

PRIDE AND JOY, WE WERE

FEELING PRETTY GOOD ABOUT,

YOU KNOW, OURSELVES AND OUR

SERVING JESUS, AND YET THINGS

START FALLING APART AT HOME

WHETHER IT'S IN YOUR MARRIAGE

OR YOU'RE RAISING YOUR KIDS,

AND YOU FEEL LIKE HOW CAN

GOD EVER USE ME?

I KNOW THERE'S SOME

PEOPLE JUST LOVING ON WHAT

YOU'RE SAYING NOW BECAUSE

THEY'RE BEEN, THEY'VE

ACTUALLY JUST FELT LIKE GUMBY

BEING BEAT UP SO MUCH.

SURE.

NOW, YOU DO SOMETHING

IN YOUR BOOK AND IT'S CALLED

FINDING FREEDOM. AND WALK US

OUT OF THAT BECAUSE I KNOW

THERE'S SOMEONE LISTENING

RIGHT NOW. WHAT DO YOU DO

BECAUSE I KNOW MYSELF, WHEN

THE FOUNDATION IS SHAKEN

YOU GOT TO LOOK DOWN AND IT'S

GOD GETTING YOUR ATTENTION

YES.

BECAUSE I DON'T GIVE ANY

CREDIT TO THE ENEMY. BUT

HOW DO YOU NOW BEGIN TO

TALK TO GOD WHEN YOU DON'T

EVEN HAVE ANY WORDS?

YEAH, WELL YOU ARE

DESPERATE, LET ME TELL YOU

AND I THINK I STARTED, I WAS

ANGRY AND I WAS TERRIFIED

TICKED OFF, AND I TOLD GOD

SO. LIKE, I DON'T DESERVE

THIS. HAVE WE DONE THE

RIGHT, AND I MEAN HOW

ARROGANT IS THAT? BUT

THE LORD REALLY, YOU KNOW,

SOMETIMES WE WANT TO, WE

WANT TO PRAY OUR WAY OUT

OF A PROBLEM.

YES.

WE WANT GOD TO RESCUE US

AND GET US OUT OF THIS, WHERE

GOD ACTUALLY SAYS, I WANT YOU

TO PRAY THROUGH THIS.

NOW TALK TO ME ABOUT

PRAYER BECAUSE I THINK

THAT'S THE STARTING POINT

NOW THAT WE'RE TALKING

ABOUT HOW WE GET THROUGH

THIS AND PRAYER HAS TO BE THE

FIRST BUILDING BLOCK. NO

PRAYER, NO POWER, SOME

PRAYER, SOME POWER, MUCH

PRAYER, MUCH POWER. TALK TO

ME ABOUT THAT.

ABSOLUTELY. AND YOU

KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE WEAK, IT'S

HARD TO PRAY.

YEAH.

IT'S HARD TO PRAY AND I

WOULD SAY THAT PRAYER IS A

PLACE WHERE I LEARNED TO GO

TO BE VERY HONEST WITH

GOD, FIRST OF ALL. TO KNOW

THAT PRAYER IS ABOUT INTIMACY

WITH HIM. IT'S NOT A FORMULA,

IT IS ABOUT A RELATIONSHIP

AND PRAYER BREAKS OPEN

THAT RELATIONSHIP AND

GOD CAN HANDLE US. HE

CAN HANDLE OUR GRIEF AND

OUR PAIN, AND OUR SHAME,

AND HE WANTS US TO COME IN

PRAYER AND HONESTLY

DUMP IT ON HIM. HE WANTS

US TO GIVE US THE, GIVE HIM

THOSE STRUGGLES BECAUSE THAT

WAY IN THE SENSE WE'RE

INVITING HIM TO JOIN US, RIGHT?

RIGHT?

LIKE IN PRAYER WE'RE SAYING

GOD I'M ACTUALLY OKAY, I'M

DONE, I'M TIRED ON MY OWN,

I NEED YOU WITH ME IN THIS.

NOW, YOU GIVE SOME

PRACTICES OF PRAYER IN

IT'S IN SESSION FOUR HERE. YOU

TALK ABOUT A FEW THINGS AS FAR

AS SHARING TIME WITH GOD.

GIVE SOMEONE SOME PRACTICAL

TOOLS BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN

IN A SITUATION AND THEY SAID

I NEED SOME HELP. HELP ME

COUCH ME THROUGH THIS

NOW.

WELL I THINK ONE OF

THE STUMBLING BLOCKS FOR

ME IN PRAYER IS I WAS

TAUGHT VERY WELL

ABOUT, I CALL IT TWO

SIDES OF THE COIN. ONE

SIDE OF THE COIN IS GOD

SOVEREIGNTY. I WAS TAUGHT

VERY WELL THAT GOD WAS IN

CONTROL, HE'S GOT IT COVERED

THAT, YOU KNOW, HE ALREADY

KNOWS WHAT'S GOING TO

HAPPEN, SO I REALLY HAD A

STINKY PATHETIC PRAYER

LIFE, TO BE HONEST BECAUSE

I WAS ALL ABOUT THE

SOVEREIGNTY, OKAY WELL

GOD, YOU'VE GOT THIS

COVERED, YOU SEE WHAT'S

GOING ON. SO LIKE I'M GOING

PRAY BUT CLEARLY, YOU KNOW,

YOU ARE GOING TO FIGURE IT

OUT ANYWAY, SO WHAT'S THE

POINT IN PRAYING, LIKE IF YOU

ALREADY KNOW WHAT YOU'RE

GOING TO DO I JUST GOT WEAKER,

AND WEAKER, AND WEAKER

THINKING FOCUSED ON THE

SOVEREIGNTY OF GOD. NOW

GOD IS IN CONTROL AND HE IS

SOVEREIGN BUT BRIAN, THERE'S

ANOTHER SIDE OF THE COIN.

OKAY.

AND THE OTHER SIDE OF THE

COIN IS MANS RESPONSIBILITY

YOU SEE GOD IN ALL OF HIS

SOVEREIGNTY CHOSE TO LIMIT

HIMSELF.

OKAY.

HE CHOSE THAT. HE CHOSE

THAT EVEN TO SEND HIS OWN

SON TO DIE FOR US. WHEN HE

LIMITS HIMSELF HE SAYS, I

ACTUALLY NEED YOU TO PRAY.

GOD NEEDS US TO PRAY. I

MEAN THINK OF THAT. LIKE,

DOES GOD NEED ANYTHING?

BUT HE SAYS IF MY PEOPLE WILL

PRAY, COME AND SEEK ME AND

YOU WILL FIND ME. YOU COME

AND POUR YOUR HEART OUT TO

ME JUST AS WE SEE IN THE

PSALMS AND HE SAYS YOU PRAY

AND I WILL HEAR YOU.

SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT

SOMETHING REALLY STRONG

AND I KNOW SOMEONE IS

HEARING THIS. AND WHAT I

HAVE LEARNED, EVEN ONE OF

THE MOST PRACTICAL THINGS

IS JUST JESUS, I NEED YOU,

HELP ME.

YES, YES.

WHILE YOU'RE AT THE

DISHES, WASHING DISHES

OR DRIVING YOUR KIDS TO

SCHOOL.

YEAH.

THAT YOU BEGIN TO JUST

HAVE A CONVERSATION.

ABSOLUTELY.

AND EVEN IF YOU CAN'T, JUST

SEE GOD, PUT AN EMPTY

CHAIR THERE AND BEGIN TO

VISUALIZE THAT YOU'RE TALKING

TO GOD.

YEAH, AND SOMETHING

THAT REALLY HELPED ME WAS

GETTING -- BOOK

ON THE POWER OF A PRAYING

PARENT AND JUST, IT'S

SCRIPTURE, JUST START READING

IT AND READING. I NEVER

THOUGHT I WOULD READ

PRAYERS AND GET ANYTHING.

BUT I WAS SO WEAK, I HAD TO

GO LITERALLY ON THE INTERNET

AND I HAD TO LOOK UP LIKE HOW

TO PRAY FOR MY KIDS AND I

STARTED READING THESE

PRAYERS THAT ARE REALLY

SCRIPTURE. I STARTED REPEATING

SCRIPTURE AND JUST READING IT

AS A PRAYER TO GOD. BECAUSE I

DIDN'T HAVE WORDS MYSELF.

YEAH.

AND THAT JUST WAS A SIMPLE

WAY THAT HELPED ME CONNECT

WITH GOD AT A TIME THAT I

FELT VERY DISCONNECTED.

WELL, LAURIE, YOU'RE

GOING TO BE HERE ALL WEEK

AND I KNOW SOMEONE TODAY

GET YOUR BIBLE OUT, GET YOUR

PAD OUT, BEGIN TO TALK

TO GOD, HE'S LISTENING TO

YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH

FOR THIS TIME. I CAN'T WAIT

TO BE BACK.

UP NEXT, A HOMICIDE

DETECTIVE GOES SEARCHING

FOR JESUS. SEE WHAT HE FINDS.

THERE IS NO STATUTE OF

LIMITATIONS ON MURDER, AND

THE ONES THAT ARE UNSOLVED

GO INTO A COLD CASE FILE. IN

TORRANCE, CALIFORNIA, THOSE

CASES LANDED ON THE DESK OF

DETECTIVE JIM WARNER

WALLACE. SEVERAL COLD CASES

THAT JIM SOLVED WERE

FEATURED ON NBC DATELINE.

IN THE END YOU'RE TRYING TO

FIGURE OUT WHAT JUST

HAPPENED HERE. YOU'RE

CONSTANTLY ENTERING EACH

SCENE AND ASKING, 'WHAT

REALLY HAPPENED HERE?' USING

THE EVIDENCE AVAILABLE TO

YOU. THESE WERE CASES THAT

REALLY WERE GIVEN UP FOR LOST.

NOBODY HAD ANY

EXPECTATIONS OF EVER SOLVING

THOSE CASES.

JIM STARTED IN LAW

ENFORCEMENT AS A PATROL

OFFICER. A SECOND-GENERATION

COP, HE WORE HIS BADGE

PROUDLY. HE HAD A KEEN EYE

AND SHARP MIND, AND BY HIS

THIRTIES WAS PROMOTED TO

DETECTIVE. HE WAS ALSO A

LOVING HUSBAND, DEDICATED

FATHER AND AN AVOWED

ATHEIST.

I WAS MORE THAN HAPPY

WITH THE IDEA THAT I WOULD

LIVE MY LIFE, AND WHEN I

CLOSED MY EYES FOR THE LAST

TIME, I WOULD BE IN THE DIRT. I

CAME FROM NOTHING; I'LL GO

BACK TO NOTHING. THE IDEA OF

A LIFE AFTER THIS ONE WAS

MEANINGLESS TO ME.

IF YOU'D HAVE TOLD ME THAT I

WAS A SINNER, I WOULD HAVE

LAUGHED AT YOU. I KNOW WHAT

SINNERS LOOK LIKE. THEY'RE THE

FOLKS THAT I TAKE TO JAIL. THATS

NOT ME. I'M A GOOD GUY.

JIM ALWAYS PRIDED HIMSELF

IN HIS INTELLECT, AND OPENLY

MOCKED PEOPLE OF FAITH,

ESPECIALLY CHRISTIANS.

I THOUGHT OF IT AS A

COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY

MYTHOLOGY THAT I JUST COULD

NOT BE PART OF.

REASON AND OBSERVATION AND

SCIENTIFIC EXPLORATION WOULD

EVENTUALLY HAVE ANSWERS FOR

ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD

ABOUT LIFE.

THERE WAS ONE

FRIEND WHO KEPT INVITING JIM

AND HIS WIFE SUSIE TO CHURCH.

SUSIE WANTED TO GO BECAUSE

SHE BELIEVED IN GOD AND FELT

THEIR CHILDREN SHOULD GO TO

CHURCH LIKE SHE AND HER

FAMILY DID.

I NEVER READ THE BIBLE AND

REALLY DIDN'T HAVE MUCH

UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IT ALL

REALLY MEANT. I THINK I KNEW

THE BASIC TENETS OF THE FAITH.

I WAS THE KIND OF PERSON

WHO WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE

THAN HAPPY TO GO TO CHURCH

WITH MY WIFE, AS LONG AS I CAN

GO AS AN ATHEIST.

THE PASTOR WAS ABLE TO

COMMUNICATE A MESSAGE THAT

WAS REALLY GEARED FOR THE

KIND OF SELFISH, SELF-FOCUSED

ATHEIST THAT I WAS IN THE

SENSE THAT HE WAS ABLE TO

INTEREST ME IN JESUS AS A

SMART GUY.

JIM WAS INTRIGUED, SO HE

BOUGHT A $6 BIBLE.

I WASN'T ABOUT TO SPEND ANY

MORE THAN $6 ON THIS. I WAS

LOOKING FOR THE RED LETTERS. I

JUST WANT TO SEE WHAT JESUS

HAS TO SAY. IF HE'S GOT SOME

WISDOM TO SHARE, LET'S HEAR

IT.

JIM PUT HIS TRAINING AS A

DETECTIVE TO WORK AND

POURED OVER THE GOSPELS. HE

DISCOVERED SOMETHING THAT IN

HIS LINE OF WORK WAS CRITICAL

TO ANY INVESTIGATION&

EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS.

IF YOU HAVE MULTIPLE

EYEWITNESSES THAT SEE THE

SAME EVENT, THEY NEVER TELL

YOU THE SAME STORY, BUT THEY

DO TELL YOU A STORY THAT CAN

BE SEAMED TOGETHER LIKE A

PUZZLE. I WAS SEEING THESE

CHARACTERISTICS IN THE

GOSPELS. AND I THOUGHT,

'WOW! IN SOME ASPECTS, I

THINK THIS STUFF FEELS AND

LOOKS A LOT LIKE EYEWITNESS

TESTIMONY.' SO I WAS WILLING

TO TAKE A STEP WITH IT AND

START TO EXAMINE IT AS AN

EYEWITNESS ACCOUNT TO SEE IF

IT WOULD HOLD UP.

THIS WAS INTRIGUING TO ME

BECAUSE IT WAS A CLAIM, NOT

JUST ABOUT SOME WISDOM

FROM THE ANCIENT PAST, BUT A

CLAIM ABOUT AN EVENT THAT

EITHER OCCURRED OR DIDN'T

OCCUR IN THE ANCIENT PAST,

AND THAT WAS SOMETHING I

COULD TEST.

JIM ALSO LOOKED INTO THE

WRITINGS OF OTHER ANCIENT

HISTORIANS TO VERIFY THE

ACCOUNTS HE FOUND IN THE

BIBLE.

SO I THINK AS I WENT

THROUGH THAT PROCESS OF

DIGGING, LOOKING AT LANGUAGE,

LOOKING AT THE TEMPLATE THAT I

USED TO EVALUATE

EYEWITNESSES, I BECAME MORE

COMFORTABLE AND MORE

CONFIDENT THAT THOSE WERE

ACCURATE, RELIABLE EYEWITNESS

ACCOUNTS.

WE WERE BOTH LEARNING SO

MUCH AT THE SAME TIME.

WHEN JIM'S ATHEISM

COULDN'T STAND IN LIGHT OF THE

EVIDENCE, HE WAS FACED WITH

ONE QUESTION.

WHY DO WE NEED A SAVIOR?

TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION,

JIM HAD TO ADMIT THAT HIS

PRIDE WAS KEEPING HIM FROM

ACCEPTING THE TRUTH ABOUT

JESUS.

IT WASN'T THAT THERE WASN'T

ENOUGH EVIDENCE. IT WAS ALL

ABOUT REALIZING, 'I'M NOT

GOD.' AND REALIZING THAT

'MAN, I'M A MESS.' AND

THERE'S A LOT ABOUT MY LIFE

THAT I WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE, A

LOT THAT I'M NOT PROUD OF, A

LOT THAT I NEED FORGIVENESS

FOR.

JIM, THE GOOD GUY, NEEDED

A SAVIOR TOO.

I, FOR A LOT OF YEARS,

WORKED HARD TO RESIST GOD'S

SPIRIT AND AT SOME POINT I JUST

SAID, OKAY, I'M DONE. I

BELIEVE IT. I'M IN.' I SUBMITTED

EVERYTHING TO HIM. I

SUBMITTED EVERYTHING TO

CHRIST. I SUBMITTED EVERY

WAKING THOUGHT.

I FELT LIKE I WAS GETTING TO

WITNESS A MIRACLE JUST UNFOLD

RIGHT BEFORE ME. IT WAS JUST

AMAZING!

THE FIRST THING THAT

CHANGED FOR ME WAS A SENSE

THAT THIS HUGE SEPARATION I'D

ALWAYS DRAWN FROM THE

PEOPLE WHO WERE ON ONE

SIDE OF THE BARS AND THE

PEOPLE WHO WERE ON THE

OTHER SIDE OF THE BARS

VANISHED. I HAVE BECOME A

MUCH MORE FORGIVING PERSON,

I HOPE, BECAUSE I'M

CONSTANTLY REMINDING MYSELF

OF MY NEED FOR FORGIVENESS.

JIM WENT ON TO BECOME A

CELEBRATED COLD CASE

DETECTIVE. HE ALSO DEFENDS

HIS FAITH AS A CHRISTIAN

APOLOGIST. TOGETHER HE AND

SUSIE HAVE BUILT THEIR LIVES ON

THE TRUTH OF GOD'S WORD.

GOD KNEW ME. HE KNEW

HOW COMMITTED I WAS TO

LOOKING AT EVIDENCE. AND I

THINK GOD REACHED ME

THROUGH THAT EVIDENCE. IT

MAY NOT BE HOW EVERYONE

HEARS THE GOSPEL FOR THE FIRST

TIME, BUT FOR FOLKS LIKE ME, I

NEEDED TO BE REACHED THIS

WAY. SO I'M ONLY A CHRISTIAN

TODAY BECAUSE IT'S TRUE.

I JUST LOVE THAT. YOU KNOW,

I KNOW GOD BY MANY NAMES,

JEHOVAH, -- JEHOVAH

SNEAKY. JIM FOUND OUT THAT

GOD WAS THE DETECTIVE

DETECTING HIM.

SO TRUE, YOU KNOW, THE

QUESTION THAT WE HAVE TO

ASK OURSELVES IS, WHY WOULD

I BELIEVE IN JESUS? JIM

WALLACE LOOKED AT ALL OF

THE FACTS AND HE WAS AN

ATHEIST, AND HE FOUND THAT

THERE'S ENOUGH EVIDENCE

THERE TO REALLY COMPEL HIM TO

LOOK AT IT. BUT WHY WOULD

YOU CHOOSE TO BELIEVE IN

JESUS? YOU KNOW, THERE'S

LOTS TO LOOK AT. MANY OF

JESUS OWN DISCIPLES DIED A

MARTYRS DEATH GOING TO

THEIR DEATHS STATING I

KNOW WHO JESUS WAS. HE

WAS THE SON OF GOD, HE WAS

THE MESSIAH. I DON'T KNOW

HOW MANY OF YOU WOULD

DIE FOR A LIE, BUT UNLESS THEY

WERE THOROUGHLY CONVINCED

OF WHO JESUS WAS, I'M NOT

SURE THAT ANYONE WOULD PAY

SUCH A HIGH PRICE, AND DO YOU

KNOW, I MEAN HISTORY RECORDS

THAT NOBODY EVEN DISPUTED

THAT THERE WAS A MAN NAMED

JESUS UNTIL THE 18TH CENTURY.

IT WAS A FRENCH MYTHISIST

WHO FIRST PUT IT OUT THAT

WELL, DID JESUS EVEN EXIST?

18 CENTURIES LATER. THAT GIVES

YOU A COMPELLING REASON TO

BELIEVE THAT ALL THROUGH

HISTORY EVERYONE SAID

THERE WAS A MAN WHO WAS

MADE BY JESUS AND HE LEFT

A MARK LIKE NO ONE ELSE. AND

WHEN THIS BELIEF THAT HE WAS

THE MESSIAH, THAT HE WAS

OUR HEALER, THAT HE WAS

THE SON OF GOD BEGAN

TO TAKE HOLD OF PEOPLES

HEARTS. IT HAS CHANGED THE

WORLD TO THIS VERY DAY.

THE QUESTION IS, WILL YOU GIVE

JESUS AN OPPORTUNITY TO

REVEAL HIS TRUTH, HIS

IDENTITY, HIS AUTHENTICITY,

TO YOUR HEART?

AMEN, YOU KNOW THERE

WAS ALSO A MAN WHO WAS

ALSO A DETECTIVE, LEE STROBAL

A CASE FOR CHRIST, EXCUSE

ME. AND HE DID THE SAME

THING AS JIM WALLACE, I'D LIKE

TO GET SOMETHING INTO YOUR

HANDS, IT IS OVERCOMING A

CRITICAL SPIRIT BUT I CAN

GUARANTEE THERE'S ANOTHER

THING THAT CAN OVERCOME A

CRITICAL SPIRIT, SUBMIT YOURSELF

ACCORDING WITH WHAT JAMES

FOUR SAYS. LET'S PRAY A

PRAYER RIGHT NOW AND

I JUST WANT YOU TO FOLLOW

UP AFTER THIS. JUST PRAY THIS

SIMPLE PRAYER. JESUS, I'M

WILLING TO GIVE YOU THE TIME

OF DAY BUT I'M WILLING TO

BE MADE WILLING. I GIVE

YOU MY PERSONAL PERMISSION

COME INTO MY HEART NOW AND

SHOW ME WHO YOU ARE, BUT

SHOW ME WHO I AM. IN JESUS

NAME, AMEN.

AMEN.

WHAT WHAT'S GOING TO

HAPPEN. IF THAT'S YOU,

1-855-759-0700. PRAYER

PARTNERS ARE STANDING BY.

THIS IS A GOOD DAY.

MY FAVORITE ACTIVITY

TO DO WITH MY MOM IS

DRAWING. SHE SOMETIMES

TAKES ME OUT SHOPPING

AND WE BUY SOME COOL

CLOTHES FOR ME. LIKE

BOARD GAMES OR CARD

GAMES.

SHE LIKES TO CUDDLE WITH

ME.

SHE SOMETIMES TAKES

ME TO THE MALL AND I GET

TO LOOK AT THE DISNEY

STORE.

WE LIKE PLAYING --

14. SHE'S A VERY GOOD LOSER,

VERY GOOD LOSER.

UP NEXT, HE WAS RAISED

IN POVERTY BUT DREAMED OF A

BETTER LIFE. SO HOW ON EARTH

DID HE END UP IN PRISON?

WHEN I START WALKING

TOWARD THE HOUSE I HEAR

FREEZE, AND I SEE THESE

GUYS RUNNING TOWARDS ME

FROM THE ALLEY, AND I SEE GUNS

POINTED AT ME.

FRANK THOMAS HAD NO IDEA

WHY POLICE STOPPED HIM. BUT

WHEN THEY SEARCHED HIS CAR,

THEY FOUND DRUGS IN MY

CAR. THERE WAS AN OUNCE OF

CRACK COCAINE ROCKED UP AND

PACKAGED TO SELL, AND THEY

FOUND SEVERAL THOUSAND

DOLLARS IN THE GLOVE BOX.

IN THAT INSTANT, FRANK'S

DREAM OF MAKING A NEW START

FADED AWAY.

FRANK GREW UP IN A

POVERTY-STRICKEN HOME IN

KANSAS CITY, MISSOURI, WHERE

EVERY DAY WAS A STRUGGLE TO

SURVIVE.

WE HAD ONE ANOTHER AND

WE DID WHATEVER WE NEEDED

TO DO IN ORDER TO KEEP

MOVING FORWARD. SO IT WAS

TOUGH.

THEN AT 16, HE WENT TO

WORK FOR HIS UNCLE WHO WAS A

SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS OWNER.

HE STARTED TO BELIEVE HE HAD

A CHANCE FOR A BETTER LIFE.

IT REALLY HELPED ME TO

UNDERSTAND THAT I DID HAVE

SOME LEVEL OF CONTROL OVER

MY CIRCUMSTANCES. IF THAT'S

WHAT IT TAKES IN ORDER TO BE

WHO HE WAS, THEN THAT'S WHAT

I WANT TO DO.

FRANK ENJOYED WORKING,

AND DID WELL IN SCHOOL, BUT HIS

MOTHER TOOK HIS MONEY TO

PAY RENT AND UTILITIES.

IT CAUSED FRICTION BETWEEN

MY MOTHER AND I BECAUSE I

FELT LIKE THE ROLES HAD

REVERSED TO SOME DEGREE,

AND I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE SHE WAS

FIGHTING ANYMORE FOR MY

BROTHER AND I.

STILL, FRANK WORKED HARD

AND MADE HIS WAY INTO

COLLEGE; BUT WHEN HE ARRIVED,

HE LOST HIS FOCUS. I DIDN'T GO

TO CLASS. ALL I DID WAS STAY UP

LATE DRINKING BEER WITH MY

BUDDIES AND WOULD SLEEP LATE

AND WE'D MAKE IT UP IN TIME

FOR LUNCH AND WE'D GO EAT

LUNCH TOGETHER AND THEN

WE'D GO HANG OUT AND PLAY

VIDEO GAMES.

FRANK WAS PUT ON

ACADEMIC SUSPENSION AND

LOST HIS FINANCIAL AID. I HAD AN

OUTSTANDING BALANCE OF

SEVERAL THOUSAND DOLLARS THAT

I HAD NO IDEA WHERE I WAS

GOING TO GET THE MONEY TO

PAY. I WENT BACK TO KANSAS

CITY AND MY MOTHER PICKED

ME UP AT THE TRAIN STATION

AND, I DREADED GOING BACK TO

THAT DILAPIDATED HOUSE THAT

WE LIVED IN.

HIS MOTHER HAD BEEN

SELLING DRUGS TO MAKE ENDS

MEET AND WITH THE NEXT

SEMESTER FAST APPROACHING,

FRANK WAS RUNNING OUT OF

TIME AND PATIENCE.

I TOLD MY MOM, 'GIVE ME

THOSE DRUGS, I'LL SELL THEM.' I

REALLY DIDN'T WANT TO DEAL

DRUGS, BUT I WANTED TO GET

OUT OF THERE MORE. AND IF

THAT WAS A WAY TO DO IT, THEN

THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO DO.

THREE WEEKS IN TO MY DRUG-

DEALING CAREER, I GET BUSTED.

AS A FIRST-TIME OFFENDER,

HE WAS GIVEN PROBATION.

HIS GIRLFRIEND HAD MOVED TO

CALIFORNIA, SO HE DECIDED TO

JOIN HER THERE.

THIS IS WHERE MY DREAMS

ARE GOING TO COME TRUE. MY

PLAN WAS TO COMPLETE THE

PROBATION AND GET MY RECORD

WIPED CLEAN AND GET MYSELF

BACK IN SCHOOL AT SOME POINT

AND MOVE ON WITH MY LIFE.

SOMETIME LATER HE WENT

HOME TO APPEAR IN COURT FOR

AN OUTSTANDING TRAFFIC

VIOLATION. ONE DAY HE LET HIS

MOTHER USE HIS CAR WHILE HE

WAS OUT. WHEN HE RETURNED,

THE POLICE WERE WAITING. THEY

SEARCHED THE HOUSE AND THEN

HIS CAR.

THEY COME BACK AND THEY

READ ME MY MIRANDA RIGHTS

AND THEY ARREST ME. AND I

SAY, 'FOR WHAT? I DIDN'T DO

ANYTHING WRONG.

THE EVIDENCE PROVED

OTHERWISE. POLICE FOUND

DRUGS AND CASH INSIDE THE CAR

AND A GUN IN THE HOUSE. THEY

ACCUSED HIM OF RUNNING DRUGS

FROM CALIFORNIA TO IOWA.

FRANK SAW NO WAY OUT.

MY MOTHER HAD PUT THEM

THERE BECAUSE MY FATHER, HE

WAS KNOWN TO STEAL HER DRUGS

AND HER MONEY AND TAKE THE

CAR AND BE GONE FOR DAYS. SHE

DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING. SHE JUST

ALLOWED ME TO GO TO JAIL FOR

DRUGS THAT SHE HAD PLANTED

THERE.

FRANK FACED 60 YEARS IN

PRISON. HIS LAWYER TRIED TO

MAKE A PLEA DEAL FOR A

SHORTER SENTENCE, BUT THE

JUDGE STOOD HIS GROUND.

HE SAYS, 'NO DEALS. NO

DEALS. THEY THINK THEY HAVE

ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO CONVICT

YOU, AT THAT POINT IN TIME I

KNEW I HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO

FIGHT FOR MY LIFE. I WASN'T

GOING TO PLEAD GUILTY TO 60

YEARS FOR SOMETHING I DIDN'T

DO.

STILL FEELING THE STING OF HS

MOTHER'S BETRAYAL, FRANK WAS

OUT OF OPTIONS AND OUT OF

HOPE - UNTIL HE FOUND A BIBLE

IN THE PRISON LIBRARY.

I GRABBED THE BIBLE

BECAUSE I'M LIKE, 'WHERE DO

YOU GO WHEN THE ONE PERSON

IN THE WORLD TURNS THEIR BACK

ON YOUÃMY MOTHER?' I WAS

DOWN TO NOTHING. I HAD

NOWHERE ELSE TO GO.

HE ALSO STARTED PRAYING.

I'M JUST SAYING, 'LORD, HELP

ME. SAVE ME. YOU KNOW I'M

INNOCENT, LORD. PLEASE HELP

ME GET OUT OF HERE.'

ONE DAY, A FELLOW INMATE

SPOKE TO HIM ABOUT JESUS.

HE'S LIKE, 'HAVE YOU EVER

CONFESSED THAT JESUS IS YOUR

PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOR AND

FOR FORGIVENESS OF YOUR SINS?'

I SAID, 'NO.' HE LED ME IN THE

SINNER'S PRAYER.

ON THE DAY OF THE TRIAL, HIS

MOTHER AGAIN WITHHELD THE

TRUTH, BUT FRANK KNEW GOD

WAS THERE WITH HIM.

LORD, YOUR WORD SAYS THE

TRUTH WILL SET ME FREE. I

BELIEVED THAT THE TRUTH WAS

GOING TO SET ME FREE.

AFTER DELIBERATION, THE JURY

REACHED A VERDICT.

HE SAYS, WE THE JURY FIND

THE DEFENDANT ON COUNT ONE,

NOT GUILTY; ON COUNT TWO' NOT

GUILT; ON COUNT THREE, NOT

GUILTY.' AND I JUST FALL TO MY

KNEES AND I SAID, 'THANK YOU,

JESUS, THANK YOU, THANK YOU,

THANK YOU!'

NOW A FREE MAN, FRANK

RETURNED TO CALIFORNIA WHERE

HE GOT A JOB AND STARTED

ATTENDING USC. HE ALSO

FORGAVE HIS MOTHER, WHO WAS

THERE WHEN HE GRADUATED

WITH HONORS.

I KNEW LIKE I HAD TO FORGIVE

HER. I HAD TO LET IT GO IN ORDER

FOR MYSELF TO BE FREE. I KNEW

THAT IF I WAS EVER GIVEN

ANOTHER CHANCE THERE WAS

NOTHING SHORT OF DEATH THAT

COULD STOP ME FROM

ACHIEVING THE SUCCESS IN LIFE

THAT I FELT LIKE GOD CALLED ME

TO, FRANK SAID.

HE EVENTUALLY MARRIED

ERICA AND THEY STARTED A

FAMILY.

I FINALLY UNDERSTAND

MY IDENTITY. MOST PEOPLE

FIND THEIR IDENTITY IN THEIR

EARTHLY FATHER. WELL, IT TOOK

ME A LONG TIME TO FIND MY

IDENTITY IN MY HEAVENLY

FATHER, AND IT'S MADE ALL THE

DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD.

MAN, YOU KNOW WHEN I

LOOK AT THAT THAT JUST

BLOWS MY MIND. SMALL

EXPLOSION BUT IT'S HUGE

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