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Bring It On-Line: Lazarus and the Rich Man

What are your thoughts on the age of the Earth? Regarding the story of "Lazarus and the Rich Man" in Luke 16, do you suppose that this actually occurred, being that it's the only parable that I can think of where Jesus names three ... ... Read Transcript


Terry: E-MAIL TIME.

THIS IS FROM SCOTT, PAT, WHO

SAYS, CTRL+I , "I LOVE THE

SHOW AND WATCH DAILY.

I HAVE HEARD ARGUMENTS FROM

BOTH SIDES ON WHETHER OUR

EARTH IS 6,000 YEARS OLD OR

BILLIONS OF YEARS OLD.

I KNOW YOU SUPPORT THE OLDER

POSITION.

HOW CAN WE CONCEIVE THERE

WERE MILLIONS OF YEARS

BETWEEN ADAM AND NOAH, AND

MILLIONS BETWEEN NOAH AND

ABRAHAM, AND MORE MILLIONS

BETWEEN KING DAVID AND THE

APOSTLE POWER.

AND NOW 2,000 YEARS LATER

HERE WE ARE.

PLEASE EXPLAIN."

Pat: I THINK YOU'RE

SETTING UP A PREMISE THAT IS

INACCURATE.

I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT

YOU'RE TRYING TO GRAPPLE

WITH IT.

THIS OLDER AND NEWER -- THE

TRUTH IS YOU HAVE TO BE

DEAF, DUMB, AND BLIND TO

THINK THIS EARTH WE LIVE ON

ONLY HAS 6,000 YEARS.

YOU DRILLED IN A ZONE

65 MILLION YEARS AGO, AND

WHEN THOSE DINOSAURS WERE

HERE, THEY WERE ROTTING IN

THE EARTH AND MAKING OIL.

THERE IS NO QUESTION ABOUT

IT.

THERE IS NO QUESTION THERE

WERE DINOSAURS AND THERE WAS

RADIO CARBON DATING.

IT WAS 65 MILLION.

WE HAVE SO MANY GEE

GEOLOGICAL RECORDS.

THE QUESTION IS, IF YOU LOOK

AT DAY ONE, DAY TWO, DAY

THREE -- WHAT IS A DAY?

WELL, A DAY IS HOW LONG IT

TAKES THE EARTH TO REVOLVE

ON ITS AXIS.

BUT WHAT ABOUT A SOLAR DAY?

THAT WOULD BE HOW LONG IT

WOULD TAKE THE SUN TO TRAVEL

AROUND THE GALAXY WE'RE IN.

WELL, WHAT ABOUT AN GALACTIC

DAY?

THAT COULD BE HOW LONG IT

TAKES THE GALAXY TO

TRANSVERSE THE UNIVERSE.

AND NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT

BILLIONS OF YEARS.

SO DAY ONE, DAY TWO, AND DAY

THREE -- IT IS ALL

ACCOMMODATED IF YOU LOOK AT

IT THAT WAY.

BUT THE IDEA IS THAT YOU

FIRST HAVE ADAM, AND THEN

YOU'VE GOT A BILLION YEARS,

AND THEN YOU GET NOAH OR

SOMETHING -- THAT'S

NONSENSE.

I THINK WHAT WE'RE LOOKING

AT IS THAT THERE WAS A POINT

OF TIME AFTER THE EARTH WAS

CREATED, AFTER THESE THINGS

CAN DONE, AFTER THE UNIVERSE

WAS FORMED, AFTER THE

ASTEROID HIT THE EARTH AND

WIPED OUT THE DINOSAURS.

AND AFTER ALL OF THAT, THERE

WAS A POINT OF TIME THAT

THERE WAS A PARTICULAR HUMAN

BEING THAT GOD TOUCHED, AND

HAD WAS THE HUMAN HAD

STARTED THE RACE THAT WE ARE

NOW PART OF.

AND I THINK PRIOR TO THAT,

WHO KNOWS WHAT WAS HERE.

WE HAVEN'T WORKED ALL OF THE

WRINKLES OUT, BUT I THINK TO

DENY THE CLEAR RECORD THAT

IS THERE BEFORE US MAKES US

LOOK SILLY.

AND YOU'VE GOT THE OLD

EARTH, NEW EARTH, AND THERE

IS NO WAY THAT ALL THAT YOU

HAVE HERE TOOK PLACE IN

6,000 YEARS.

IT JUST COULDN'T HAVE BEEN

DONE.

IT COULDN'T HAVE POSSIBLY

BEEN DONE.

Terry: THIS IS ROCCO

WHO SAYS, "REGARDING THE

STORY OF LAZARUS AND THE

RICH MAN IN LUKE 16, DO YOU

SUPPOSE THIS ACTUALLY

OCCURRED, BEING IT IS THE

ONLY PARABLE THAT I CAN

THINK OF WHERE JESUS NAMES

THREE NAMES, MOSES, LAZARUS,

AND ABRAHAM?"

Pat: I THINK NAMING

NAMES MAKES ANY DIFFERENCE.

BUT IT IS CLEARLY A

PARABLE.

HE GIVES THEM A STORY, AND

THERE WAS A RICH MAN WHO

DIED, AND THERE WAS A BEGGER

WHO WAS EATEN BY SORES AND

WHO WAS TRYING TO GET THE

SCRAPS OFF HIS TABLE.

AND HE SAID THE POOR MAN

DIED AND WAS CARRIED BY

ANGELS TO ABRAHAM'S BOSOM

AND SO FORTH.

THAT'S A PARABLE.

COULD IT HAVE HAPPENED?

SURE IT COULD HAVE.

I JUST THINK THAT'S A

PARABLE AND IT TEACHES A

STORY.

Terry: MELANIE

SAYS, "WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE

BETWEEN HELL AND THE LAKE OF

FIRE?

THEY SEEM TO BOTH OFFER THE

SAME TORMENT, WEEPING,

WAILING, GNASHING OF TEETH

AND BURNING IN FIRE.

I GOOGLED IT TO DISCOVER

MANY OTHERS DON'T UNDERSTAND

IT, EITHER.

I NEED THE UNDERSTANDING FOR

MYSELF, MY 13-YEAR-OLD

DAUGHTER WHO ASKED ME ABOUT

THIS QUESTION, AND OTHERS

WHO WILL PROBABLY ASK ME IN

THE FUTURE."

Pat: ISN'T IT AMAZING,

IF SOME SPACE TRAVELLER

COMES TO EARTH AND ASKS A

QUESTION, AND YOU SAY, I

GOOGLED IT.

WE GOOGLE EVERYTHING.

THOSE GUYS, SCHMIDT AND

THOSE GUYS AT GOOGLE, IT IS

AMAZING HOW THEY HAVE

PERMEATED OUR SOCIETY.

I THINK THE LAKE OF FIRE --

JESUS TALKED ABOUT GAHENNA,

WHICH IS THE TRASH DUMP

OUTSIDE OF JERUSALEM, WITH

PERPETUAL BURNING.

AND HE SAID THE WORM DOESN'T

DIE AND THE FLAME DOESN'T GO

OUT.

HE TALKED ABOUT ETERNAL

TORMENT.

AND HE USES A TERM ABOUT

BEING SEPARATED, ETERNAL

SEPARATION.

THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT

VIEWS OF HELL.

SO THE QUESTION IS: WHAT'S

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HELL

AND THE LAKE OF FIRE?

IT IS ONE ASPECT -- LAKE OF

FIRE IS ONE ASPECT OF HELL.

THE THING THAT THE BIBLE

MAKES CLEAR, AND I WANT

EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND --

AND THIS IS WHAT MAKES IT SO

HORRIBLE, YOU CAN'T STOP

IT.

Terry: YEAH.

Pat: THE NICE THING

ABOUT THE LIFE WE LIVE IN, I

DON'T CARE HOW BAD IT IS,

WHETHER YOU'RE A SLAVE,

WHETHER YOU'VE GOT A

HORRIBLE DISEASE, WHETHER

YOU'VE GOT A RETCHED

MARRIAGE, YOU'RE GOING TO

DIE.

SOONER OR LATER YOU'RE GOING

TO DIE, AND DEATH IS A

RELEASE FROM THE BURDENS OF

THIS LIFE.

IN HEL HELL, THERE IS NO

DEATH, THERE IS NO RELIEF.

IT IS ETERNAL.

IT COULD BE OUTER DARKNESS,

IT COULD BE ETERNAL

SEPARATION FROM GOD.

IT COULD BE A LAKE OF FIRE,

BEING TORMENTED BY DEMONS.

AND YOU'VE GOT ALL OF THAT

IN THE BIBLE.

BUT THE TAKE-AWAY FROM ALL

OF THIS IS WHEN YOU DIE,

WHAT STANDS OUT IN FRONT OF

YOU ARE TWO CHOICES: YOU'RE

EITHER GOING TO BE WITH THE

LORD FOREVER IN HEAVEN, OR

YOU'RE GOING TO BE APART

FROM HIM FOREVER.

AND THERE IS NO SECOND

CHANCE.

THAT'S THE THING YOU NEED TO

UNDERSTAND.

YOU HAVE MANY CHANCES IN

THIS LIFE.

AS LONG AS YOU'RE ALIVE, YOU

CAN REPENT.

BUT WHEN YOU DIE, IT'S ALL

OVER.

Terry: THIS VIEWER

SAID, "I'M 14, AND MY MOM

DIED LAST YEAR.

DUE TO MY RELATIONSHIP WITH

GOD, I'VE BEEN ABLE TO COPE

WITH HER DEATH.

BUT MY 10-YEAR-OLD SISTER

HAS NOT.

MOTHER'S DAY WAS REALLY

DIFFICULT FOR MY SISTER AND

SHE IS REALLY UPSET.

SHE HATES EVERYONE WHO HAS A

MOM WHO IS ALIVE.

WHAT CAN I DO TO MAKE HER

FEEL BETTER?"

Pat: WHAT YOU CAN DO IS

TELL HER WHERE YOUR MOM IS.

SHE'S RELIEVED.

SHE IS WITH THE LORD.

SHE IS OVERJOYED WITH THE

PRESENCE OF GOD.

YOU NEED TO SHOW YOUR LITTLE

SISTER WHAT HEAVEN IS LIKE.

THAT'S WHAT I CAN SAY.

SHE SHOULDN'T FEEL BITTER

ABOUT GOD BECAUSE HER MOTHER

IS HAPPY.

Terry: A GREAT LOSS FOR

A 10-YEAR-OLD, THOUGH.

Pat: OF COURSE IT IS.

Terry: DEBRA SAYS, "ARE

YOU STILL INVESTING IN GOLD,

AND IF SO, WHERE AND HOW ARE

YOU INVESTING?"

Pat: THE THING THAT I

URGE PEOPLE -- I DON'T URGE

PEOPLE, BUT I RECOMMEND THAT

PEOPLE LOOK AT ARE MASTER

LIMITED PARTNERSHIPS, THE

ONES ESPECIALLY THAT ARE

DEALING WITH PIPELINES AND

THE TRANSPORT OF OIL AND

GAS.

AND THEY PAY NICE DIVIDENDS

AND THEY JUST GO ON AND ON

AND ON.

YOU CAN FIND THEM ON THE

STOCK MARKET, ENTERPRISE

PRODUCTS, FOR EXAMPLE, AND

OTHERS LIKE THEM.

BUT GET SOME BROKER TO GIVE

YOU A LIST OF THOSE THAT PAY

HIGH DIVIDENDS.

I THINK THAT'S THE WAY IT

IS.

GOLD HAS HAD A ROCKY RIDE.

BUT YOU CAN BUY GOLD.

IT'S AN E.T.F. -- WELL, IT

IS AN E.T.F., BUT IT IS

G.L.D., GOLD, ON THE STOCK

MARKET.

IT IS PRICED IN TERMS OF A

FRACTION OF AN OUNCE OF

GOLD.

SO LIKE A TENTH OF AN

OUNCE.

Terry: IF IT MAKES YOU

FEEL GOOD --

Pat: I DON'T KNOW IF IT

MAKES ME FEEL GOOD OR NOT.

BUT I'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF

IT.

I FEEL BETTER HAVING

DIVIDENDS COMING IN FROM

SOMETHING.

Terry: THIS ONE

SAYS, "I WANT TO BE REALLY

CONNECTED WITH GOD AND

EXPERIENCE HIM IN ME.

HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE?"

Pat: HE NEEDS TO HAVE A

TIME WHERE YOU GO APART,

WITH YOU AND THE LORD AND

THE BIBLE.

FIRST OF ALL, YOU MAKE SURE

THERE IS NOTHING IN YOUR

LIFE, NO SIN THAT IS

SEPARATING YOU FROM GOD.

IF THERE IS ANY SIN THAT YOU

KNOW YOU'RE COMMITTING, YOU

NEED TO CONFESS THAT.

AND YOU NEED TO BEGIN TO

WORSHIP GOD AND THANK HIM

FOR WHAT HE IS GOING TO DO

AND PRAISE HIM AND WORSHIP

HIM.

THE LORD DWELLS IN THE

PRAISES OF HIS PEOPLE.

AND AS YOU PRAISE HIM AND

WORSHIP HIM, YOU WILL FIND

THAT YOU'RE COMING INTO THE

PRESENCE OF GOD.

YOU ENTER INTO HIS COURTS

WITH PRAISE AND

THANKSGIVING.

YOU COME IN WITH

THANKSGIVING, AND YOU'RE

THANKING HIM FOR EVERYTHING

HE HAS DONE, AND SPEND TIME

JUST PRAISING HIM.

DON'T BE ASKING FOR STUFF.

THANK HIM.

PRAISE HIM FOR WHO HE IS AND

WHAT HE HAS DONE.

PRAISE IS WORSHIP OF HIM.

THANKSGIVING IS FOR WHAT HE

HAS DONE.

THANK YOU FOR THOSE

QUESTIONS.

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