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The 700 Club - July 21, 2014

Author Gary Chapman shares tips on successful relationships. Plus, Perry was a pastor, but battled anxiety and depression connected to unresolved childhood issues. Read Transcript


BEAT DOWN.

THAT DAY I FELT LIKE GOD HAD

TAKEN A BIG ERASER.

BROKEN HEARTED.

AND BURNED OUT.

I STARTED SWEATING AND

COULDN'T CONTROL MY BREATH.

IF YOU HAVE EVER FELT THAT

WAY, YOU NEED TO WATCH THIS

SHOW.

WE ARE NOT IN CONTROL.

WE DO NOT HAVE CONTROL.

*

PAT: WELCOME LADIES AND

GENTLEMEN TO THIS EDITION OF

"700 CLUB." GLAD TO HAVE YOU

WITH US AS WE START THIS WEEK.

I HAVE BEEN WRESTLING TO

UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON WITH

HAMAS?

WHY WOULD THEY COMMIT SUICIDE?

WHY WOULD THEY START THIS WAR

AGAINST ISRAEL?

MADE NO SENSE.

THERE IS AN ARTICLE WRITTEN BY

FORMER ATTORNEY GENERAL MCKAZIE.

IT TURNED TO EGYPT AND SUNNIS AS

OPPOSED TO THE SHIAS.

THEY NOW DON'T HAVE ANY

SUPPORTERS.

THEY ARE LOOKING FOR SOME

CAPTURE OF ISRAELI SOLDIERS OR

SOMETHING ON THE MILITARY FRONT

THAT WOULD GIVE THEM

CREDITABILITY.

THAT MAKES SOME MAJOR SENSE.

WHAT NOW ISRAEL HAS FOUND IS

THAT THERE IS A HUGE NETWORK OF

TUNNELS THAT WOULD ENABLE THEM

TO SLIP INTO ISRAEL AND CAPTURE

SOLDIERS.

ONE RAIDING PARTY, THEY HAD

TRANQUILIZERS AND HANDCUFFS.

THEY THOUGHT IF THEY COULD GET A

SOLDIER, THEY COULD USE THEM FOR

LEVERAGE AND SHOW THEIR BUDDIES

AROUND THE ARAB WORLD THEY ARE

DOING SOMETHING.

TERRY?

TERRY: NOW THEY ARE TRYING

TO DESTROY THOSE TUNNELS.

CHRIS MITCHELL BRINGS THE STORY.

REPORTER: THE IDF RELEASED

THIS FOOTAGE.

ISRAELI SOLDIERS STOPPED THIS

INFILTRATION AND THIS PRESENTS A

CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER TO

ISRAELIS ALONG THE BORDER WITH

GAZA.

THE TUNNELS ARE DESIGNED TO

INFILTRATE THIS ONE CLOSE TO THE

BORDER.

60 FEET DEEP WITH MULTIPLE

EXITS.

HAMAS HAS BEEN PLANNING THIS A

LONG TIME.

I CAN'T IMAGINE ANYTHING MORE

TERRIFYING, SUDDENLY THE EARTH

OPENS UP AND THE WALKING DEAD

COME OUT, EXCEPT THEY ARE NOT

DEAD BUT ARMED WITH MACHINE

GUNS, GRENADES AND A FEW

THOUSAND ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION.

WE HAD TO DO THE GROUND

OPERATION.

ABSOLUTELY NO CHOICE.

WHAT COUNTRY WOULD ALLOW THEIR

PEOPLE TO BE UNDER THAT DANGER?

REPORTER: THE FIRST WAS TO

DISCOVER THIS ELABORATE TUNNEL.

ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER BENJAMIN

NETANYAHU TOLD ISRAELIS TO

EXPECT AN EXTENDED CAMPAIGN TO E

LIT ELIMINATE ROCKET FIRE.

FOR THREE DAYS, ISRAEL WARNED

RESIDENTS TO GET OUT OF HARM'S

WAY WHILE HAMAS AND INTERIOR

TOLD CIVILIANS TO STAY.

HAMAS IS CONDUCTING

SELF-GENOCIDE PLACING THEIR

WOMEN AND CHILDREN AROUND

MISSILE LAUNCHERS SHOOTING

ROCKETS AT ISRAEL WAITING FOR US

TO RETALIATE.

REPORTER: FORMER U.S.

PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON SAID IT

IS PART OF THEIR STRATEGY.

THEY HAVE A STRATEGY.

REPORTER: DIPLOMATICS ARRANGE

A CEASE-FIRE.

CHRIS MITCHELL, CBN NEWS ON THE

ISRAELI-GAZA BORDER.

PAT: THANKS, CHRIS.

THEY HAVE TO FINISH THIS.

THEY DIDN'T R CAN'T DO IT HALF

WAY.

THEY HAVE TO DESTROY THE

ROCKETRY THAT HAMAS HAS IN ITS

HANDS.

THEY CAN'T HAVE THIS TYPE OF --

THEY CAN'T DO IT.

THE WORLD HAS SEEN THE WORLD'S

OPINION CAN RIOT AND RING THEIR

HANDS ALL THE WAY THEY WANT TO.

ISRAEL HAS THE RIGHT TO DEFEND

ITSELF.

YOU CAN SEE WHY BILL CLINTON IS

POPULAR.

HE SAID IT RIGHT.

DOCTORS AND HOSPITALS ARE

TREATING PATIENTS UNDER CONSTANT

THREAT OF ATTACKS, JOHN JESSUP

HAS THE STORY FROM WASHINGTON.

REPORTER: PAT, CBN'S GEORGE

THOMAS HAS THE REPORTER FROM ASH

KA LON, ISRAEL.

DR. RON LIBEL HAS WORKED AT

THE HOSPITAL 34 YEARS.

AS DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF THE

HOSPITAL, HE CAN'T GET USED TO

THE SOUND OF THE SIREN WARNING

OF INCOMING ROCKETS SENDING

EVERYONE SCRAMBLING TO SHELTER.

WE HAVE BEEN LIVING IN THIS

SITUATION, ROCKETS EXPLODING

ABOVE THE HOZ.

JUST SEVEN MILES FROM GAZA

AND EASY REACH OF HAMAS'

ROCKETS.

MEANS DRIVING BACK AND FORTH,

COMING FOR THE SHIFT ARE A

THREAT.

ALSO ONE OF THE MAIN

HOSPITALS TREATING INJURED

ISRAELI SOLDIERS COMING OFF THE

BATTLEFIELD.

CBN NEW WAS THERE DURING A FIRE

FIGHT WITH HAMAS.

UNDER NORMAL CONDITIONS, WHEN

THE WAR IS NOT GOING ON, THIS

ROOM WOULD BE SEALED OFF.

THERE WOULD BE NO USE.

TODAY IT IS A HIVE OF ACTIVITY.

IT HOUSES THE MOST VULNERABLE

PATIENTS HERE IN THE CITY.

THE DOCTOR GAVE CBN NEWS THE

TOUR OF THE HOSPITAL INCLUDING

THE UNDERGROUND BUNKER TURNED

NEO NATAL WARD CARING FOR

PREMATURE BABIES.

THIS IS THE REAL SHELTERED

AREA IN THE HOSPITAL.

THE BABIES MIGHT SUFFER THE MOST

FROM MOVING ONE PLACE TO

ANOTHER.

BEFORE THE RECENT CONFLICT

ERUPTED, PATIENTS FROM GAZA

ROUTINELY VISITED THE HOSPITAL.

HAMAS STOPPED THAT FOR NOW.

MANY OF THEM HAVE WORKED AT

BARZILI ALONGSIDE THEIR ISRAELI

COUNTER PARTS.

YOU CAN SEE LAYING SIDE BY

SIDE THE PATIENT FROM GAZA AND

THEY LIE SIDE BY SIDE AND BEING

TREATED BY ISRAELI DOCTORS AND

BY PALESTINIAN TRAINEES.

WE HAVE HAVE A BOX AT THE

ENTRANCE WHERE THEY LEAVE THEIR

POLITICS.

THE HOSPITAL IS A SYMBOL OF

WHAT HE HOPES WILL BRING PEACE

BETWEEN ISRAELIS AND

PALESTINIANS.

GEORGE THOMAS, CBN NEWS, ISRAEL.

RUSSIAN PRESIDENT VLADIMIR

PUTIN IS LASHING OUT IN THE WAKE

OF THE DOWNING AIRLINES FIGHT

OVER EASTERN UKRAINE.

THEY PUT IT ON THE RUSSIAN

BACKED SEPARATISTS.

DALE HURD HAS THE STORY.

REPORTER: FOUR DAYS AFTER THE

TRAGEDY, THE CRASH SITE STILL

UNEXAMINED.

WORLD OUTRAGE IS GROWING.

I WANT TO ARRANGE A FUNERAL.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE.

I WANT MY CHILDREN BACK.

REPORTER: RUSSIAN PRESIDENT

VLADIMIR PUTIN ACCUSED OTHERS OF

EXPLOITING FOR MERCENARY

OBJECTIVES.

STILL BLAMING UKRAINE

AUTHORITIES FOR REIGNITING THE

FIGHTING.

SECRETARY OF STATE JOHN KERRY IS

HAVING NONE OF THAT.

RUSSIA ARMED SEPARATISTS AND

TRAINED THEM.

RUSSIA CONTINUES TO CALL

PUBLICALLY FOR THE SEPARATISTS

THAT ENGAGE IN THE BEHAVIOR THAT

LENDS ITSELF TO A RESOLUTION.

REPORTER: THERE ARE AUDIO

INTERCEPTS RELEASED BY THE

UKRAINE GOVERNMENT SHOWING REBEL

LEADERS DISCUSSING THE SHOOT

DOWN.

[ FOREIGN SPEAKING ]

REPORTER: U.S. ALSO SAW A

RUSSIAN CONVEY CARRYING MILITARY

EQUIPMENT AND THREE ANTIAIRCRAFT

MISSILE SYSTEMS WERE RUSHED BACK

ACROSS THE BORDER INTO RUSSIA

AFTER THE INCIDENT.

UKRAINIAN PRIME MINISTER CALLS

IT A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY.

MEANWHILE, PRESIDENT OBAMA IS

BEING CRITICIZED FOR NOT BEING

FORCEFUL ENOUGH.

THE EUROPEANS ARE NEVER GOING

TO LEAD ON THIS ISSUE.

INDISPENSABLE AMERICA LEAD.

REPORTER: DALE HURD, CBN

NEWS.

PAT, WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE

BEST MOVE FOR THE UNITED STATES

TO TAKE NOW?

PAT: THE THING THAT IS

IMPORTANT, YEARS AGO, BEFORE

COMMUNISM FELL, THE LORD HAD

SPOKEN TO ME.

COMMUNISM WAS GOING TO FALL IN

THE SOVIET UNION.

I SAID THAT AND EVERYBODY GASPED

IN HORROR.

IT DID FULL.

THE OTHER THING THE LORD SAID,

RUSSIA IS GOING TO BE THE MOST

DANGEROUS.

WE HAVE A KGB OPERATIVE, HE HAS

BEEN CALLED A THUG.

HE WANTS TO RECREATE A GREATER

RUSSIA.

HE WANTS ALL THE TERRITORIES

RUSSIA USED TO HAVE.

AT THE SAME TIME, HE IS IN

POSSESSION OF AN INCREDIBLE

NUCLEAR ARSENAL.

THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW AS I AM

SPEAKING, THEY HAVE

INTERCONTINENTAL BALLISTIC

MISSILES AIMED AT THE UNITED

STATES OF AMERICA.

ALL HE WOULD HAVE TO DO IS PUSH

A BUTTON AND INCINERATE

WASHINGTON AND NEW YORK.

YES WE COULD BLOW THEM OFF THE

MAP, TOO, IT WOULD BE A HIDEOUS

MESS.

WE PUSH HIM INTO THE CORNER, HE

WILL START LASHING OUT.

HE HAS TO BE STOPPED AND HAS TO

BE RESTRAINED, HOW DO WE DO IT?

I THINK SANCTIONS WILL WORK.

I THINK THE IDEA OF US PRODUCING

MORE OIL AND GAS SO THE GAS PROM

AND THE RUSSIANS DON'T HAVE A

MONOPOLY ON THE GAS IN EUROPE.

WE HAVE TO BE VERY, VERY CAREFUL

IN DEALING WITH SOMEBODY WITH A

NUCLEAR ARSENAL OF THAT

MAGNITUDE.

I WARN EVERYBODY.

WE HAVE TO BE TOUGH.

AT THE SAME TIME, HE HAS TO KNOW

WE ARE ENGAGED AND HAVE TO BE

FAIR.

IF HE THINKS WE ARE GOING OFF

COURSE, HE IS LIABLE TO DO IT IN

KIND.

WE HAVE A KGB MAN TRAINED IN

TERROR.

JOHN?

PAT, AMERICANS HAVE A

FAVORABLE VIEW OF JEWS,

CATHOLICS AND EVANGELICAL

CHRISTIANS AND LESS FAVABLE TO

MUSLIMS.

ATHEISTS AND MUSLIMS WITH THE

LOWEST FAVORABLE RATINGS.

A CHRISTIAN WOMAN NOW FACES A

LAWSUIT.

MEMBERS OF MERIAM IBRAHIM ARE

SUING TO HAVE HER MARRIAGE

ANNULLED TO KEEP HER IN THE

COUNTRY.

SHE AND FAMILY ARE STUCK IN

KHARTOUM.

SHE WAS SENTENCED TO DEATH FOR

MARRYING A CHRISTIAN.

SHE HASN'T YET BEEN ABLE TO GET

OUT OF THE COUNTRY.

JIHADISTS FROM THE ISLAMIC STATE

FORCED CHRISTIANS IN MOSUL.

MOST CHRISTIANS FLED THE KURDISH

AREA.

RESIDENTS IN MOSUL SAY MILITANTS

ARE OCCUPYING CHURCHES.

MOSUL'S CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY GOES

BACK 2,000 YEARS BEFORE THE U.S.

INVASION OF IRAQ IN 2003.

SOME 100,000 CHRISTIANS LIVE

THERE. IT WAS FEWER THAN 200.

SOME REPORTS THERE MAYBE NONE AT

ALL.

PAT?

PAT: AGAIN THE THE FOLEY OF

GOING IN AGAINST SADAM HUSSAN.

AS A RESULT, THIS ISIS HAS MOVED

IN.

THE MILITARY, THEY HAD ALMOST A

MILLION MEN UNDER ARMS, ARMED

WITH SOPHISTICATED WEAPONS.

A FEW TERRORISTS WITH PICK UP

TRUCKS ROUTED THE ISRAELI ARMY.

THEIR GENERALS WERE CORRUPT,

MALIKI, THE PRIME MINISTER TRIED

TO HUMILIATE THE SUNNIS.

IT WAS A TERRIBLE THING.

HE RUINED THE ARMED FORCES.

WE LEFT HIM IN POWER.

THAT IS THE RESULT.

SEEMS LIKE TO ME WHAT WE NEED IS

TO RECOGNIZE KURDISTAN AS AN

INDEPENDENT COUNTRY.

GIVE THEM HELP AND LET THEM DO

WHAT THEY DO BEST AND GIVE

STABILITY TO THE PEOPLE AND

FREEDOM TO THE CHRISTIANS.

TERRY?

TERRY: COMING UP, PREACHERS

AT TWO OF AMERICA'S LARGEST

CHURCHES AND NEVER SEEN THEM

LIKE THIS.

I COLLAPSED ON THE GROUND,

HOW WILL I GET THROUGH THIS?

IF NOBODY IS GOING TO KILL ME

AND I WANT TO DIE, MAYBE I

SHOULD JUST KILL MYSELF.

TERRY: HEAR WHAT BROKE THESE

TWO PASTORS AND HOW THEY MENDED

THEIR HEARTS, THAT IS NEXT.

PAT: GOD WANTS TO BIND UP THE

BROKEN HEARTED.

BROKEN HEARTED, TRAGEDY THAT

COMES.

WE ARE ALL SUBJECT TO TRAGEDY.

WE LIVE IN A WORLD OF SALT.

THAT IS WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS, OUR

DAYS OF OUR LIFE ARE THREE SCORE

AND TEN, FOUR SCORE FILL THE

SORROW.

BROKEN HEARTED, SIX YEARS AGO,

HE LOST HIS SON IN A TRAGIC CAR

ACCIDENT.

THIS MAN IS NOT JUST ANY FATHER

BUT AMERICA'S BEST KNOWN PAT

TOS, GREG HAS TURNED HIS GRIEF

INTO AWARD WINNING MOVIE.

LORIE JOHNSON TALKED ABOUT WITH

GREG AND WIFE KATHY IN LOS

ANGELES.

THE VOID IN OUR LIFE, THE

EMPTINESS, IT IS A LONELINESS

FOR GOD.

LORI: GREG PASTORS THE 15,000

HARVEST MEMBERSHIP IN L.A. HE

WAS KNOCKED OFF HIS FEET WHEN

SON CHRISTOPHER WAS KILLED IN A

CAR CRASH.

I COLLAPSED ON THE GROUND.

FOR DAYS I FELT LIKE I WAS

CARRYING A HUGE WEIGHT ON MY

CHEST.

LITERALLY, I FELT A PHYSICAL

PRESSURE.

YOU KNOW, IT WAS LIKE HOW WILL I

GET THROUGH THIS?

LORI: KATHY FELT LIKE HER

DREAMS DISAPPEARED.

I FELT LIKE GOD TOOK A BIG

ERASER TO A CHALK BOARD.

LORI: WHETHER IT IS A LOSS OF

A LOVED ONE, FINANCIAL RUIN OR A

HEALTH CRISIS, PEOPLE ARE LOSING

HOPE.

I WANTED TO LOOK AT SOMEBODY

ELSE THAT HAD BEEN THROUGH THIS.

IT IS THE REASON WHY WE MADE THE

FILM.

IT WILL HELP POINT PEOPLE TO

GOD AND THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE

EXPERIENCING MAYBE WORSE,

DEPENDING, AND THERE IS HOPE.

LORI: IN ADDITION TO THE

LORI'S THE MOVIE PROFILES NICK

WHO WAS BORN WITHOUT ARMS OR

LEGS.

I WOULD BE UP ALL NIGHT

PRAYING, GOD GIVE ME ARMS AND

LEGS.

HE WOULDN'T GIVE IT TO ME.

LORI: ALSO CHRISTIAN SINGER,

JEREMY CAMP WHOSE WIFE DIED OF

CANCER.

IN A SEA, NOT A PROGRESSION,

A DIGLEGS OF WHAT IS HAPPENING

IN HER HEALTH.

LORI: HOPE BEGAN WHEN THEY

STOPPED ASKING WHY.

INSTEAD WE SHOULD BE ASKING

WHAT SHOULD I DO NOW?

HOW SHOULD I REACT?

WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS LEAN INTO

CHRIST AND BRING GLORY TO HIS

NAME AND ONE DAY ALL OF THOSE

WHYS WILL BE RESOLVED.

LORI: AT ONE POINT NICK WAS

SO HOPELESS, HE PLANNED TO

DROWNED HIMSELF.

IT WAS THE END OF MY PAIN.

END OF HELL TO ME.

LORI: RIGHT BEFORE HE KILLED

HIMSELF, HE DECIDED TO GIVE

JESUS ANOTHER CHANCE.

THE REVELATION CAME FROM JOHN

9, JESUS CAME ACROSS A MAN BORN

BLIND.

NO ONE KNEW WHY.

JESUS SAID IT WAS BECAUSE THE

WORKS OF GOD WOULD BE REVEALED

THROUGH HIM.

WOW, MAYBE I DON'T NEED TO KNOW

GOD'S PLANS.

WHAT IF HE DID HAVE A PLAN FOR

ME?

LORI: GOD DID HAVE A PLAN

THAT WAS FULFILLED.

IT INCLUDED A WIFE, A CHILD, AND

TRAVELING THE WORLD SPREADING

THE WORD TO MILLIONS.

YOU DON'T NEED ARMS AND LEGS

TO BE THE HANDS AND FEET OF GOD.

ALL YOU NEED IS TO BE COMPLETE

ON THE INSIDE.

EVERYTHING ELSE WILL CHANGE.

LORI: LIKE NICK, WHEN JEREMY

WAS ABOUT TO GIVE UP ON GOD, HE

DID AN ABOUT FACE, OUT CAME THE

SONG "I STILL BELIEVE," A NO. 1

HIT.

DOZENS WOULD FOLLOW DRAWING

MILLIONS TO THE LORD.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND, I STILL

BELIEVE IN YOUR FAITHFULNESS AND

TRUTH AND WORD.

THAT IS A HEALING TIME FOR ME.

*

LORI: EVEN AFTER LOSING THEIR

SON, GREG AND KATHY FOUND GOD

FILLED THEIR HEARTS WITH JOY

AGAIN.

GOD IS IN CONTROL.

I WAS THANKFUL IN MY PAIN AND IN

THE CRISIS OF THAT MOMENT, I WAS

ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN GOD WAS NOT

SURPRISED AND HE WOULD WALK US

THROUGH THIS.

WE ARE HERE ON EARTH FOR TWO

REASONS, NO. 1 TO KNOW GOD AND

HERE TO GLORIFY GOD.

WHEN WE FULFILL OUR PURPOSE AS

CHRISTIANS, WE WILL FIND

HAPPINESS AS A BY-PRODUCT FROM

SEEKING HIM.

LORI: SO THE MESSAGE FOR

PEOPLE THAT FELT THE DEEPEST

DESPAIR, DON'T GIVE UP ON GOD

BECAUSE HE WILL NEVER GIVE UP ON

YOU, LORIE JOHNSON, CBN NEWS.

PAT: PRAISE THE LORD, HE IS

THE GOD OF ALL HOPE.

THE BIBLE SAYS NO TESTING THAT

HAS TAKEN YOU SUCH AS COMMON TO

MAN.

GOD WITH THE TESTING WILL MAKE

AN ESCAPE YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO

BEAR IT.

HOWEVER HARD IT MAYBE, GOD WILL

MAKE A WAY.

GOD WILL MAKE A WAY FOR YOU.

YOU COULD COUNT ON HIM, TERRY?

TERRY: YOU CAN LEARN MORE

ABOUT THE HOPE FOR HURTING

HEARTS MOVIE, PLUS MORE FROM THE

LORIE FAMILY BY GOING TO

CBNNEWS.COM.

CERTAINLY PASTOR GREG ISN'T

ALONE.

PERRY NOBLE LEADS NEW SPRING

CHURCH.

WHEN HIS CONGREGATION WAS

EXPLODING IN NUMBERS, HE MADE A

STARTLING CONFESSION.

I REMEMBER SAYING CHURCH IS

BIGGER THAN IT HAS EVER BEEN, IN

THE WORLD'S EYES I AM SUCCESSFUL

AND HATE MY LIFE.

PRESSURES OF PASTORING WERE

TAKING A TOLL ON PERRY NOBLE.

HE WAS OVERWHELMED.

HE KEPT WORKING AT A FAST AND

FURIOUS PACE.

I AM GOING AND MY ATTITUDE

WAS I CAN DO THIS BECAUSE I AM

SUPERMAN.

I CAN DO ANYTHING.

I CAN PREACH SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.

I WAS A CONTROL FREAK DURING

THAT TIME PERIOD.

I WANTED CONTROL OF EVERYTHING.

THIS SUPER PASTOR COULD NO

LONGER MASK HIS DEPRESSION AND

ANXIETY.

HE WAS PREACHING WHEN HE

SUFFERED FIRST OF SEVERAL PANIC

ATTACKS.

I COULDN'T CONTROL MY BREATH.

I WALKED OFF STAGE AND SAID

PLEASE DRIVE ME HOME.

HE BEGAN HAVING SUICIDAL

THOUGHTS.

IT WOULD BE AWESOME IF THEY

DIDN'T STOP AND HIT ME AND

KILLED ME.

I WOULDN'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH

THIS ANYMORE.

IT HIT ME, WELL, IF NOBODY IS

GOING TO KILL ME AND I WANT TO

DIE, MAYBE I SHOULD JUST KILL

MYSELF.

I REALIZED I HAD A PROBLEM WHEN

I STARTED THINKING ABOUT WAYS TO

DO IT.

FOR YEARS PERRY TOLD OTHERS

HOW TO FIX PROBLEMS LIKE THIS.

NOW HE TRIED TAKING HIS OWN

ADVICE.

I GUESS I NEED TO PRAY AND

READ MY BIBLE MORE AND MORE

INVOLVED IN SPIRITUAL

DISCIPLINE.

PERRY FELT LIKE HE WAS DOING

ALL THE LIGHT THINGS.

STILL NOTHING CHANGED.

HE WANTED TO CHANGE ME.

HE WANTED TO CHANGE ME THROUGH

MY CIRCUMSTANCES.

PERRY REALIZED HE COULDN'T

FIX THIS ON HIS OWN.

HELP WENT INTO COUNSELING FACING

PAINFUL CHILDHOOD MEMORIES, LOSS

OF HIS MOTHER AND ABUSE OF HIS

FATHER.

I WAS ON A PERFORMANCE

MINDSET.

I BELIEVED THE BIGGER THE CHURCH

GOD, THE MORE GOD LOVED ME AND

WOULD APPROVE OF ME.

I WORKED SO HARD FOR GOD NOT

REALIZING THE THING HE WANTED ME

TO DO WAS WALK WITH HIM.

THROUGH COUNSELING, GOD

HEALED THE BROKEN PLACES IN HIS

HEART.

HE ALSO REALIZED HE HAD BEEN

NEGLECTING THE SABBATH REST.

EF PASTOR IN THE WORLD,

DOESN'T MATTER IF THEY HAVE

10,000 OR 100,000 PEOPLE UNDER

SIGNIFICANT SPIRITUAL PRESSURE.

WHAT PASTORS DO IS ADOPT A PACE

IN LIFE THAT SO UNSUSTAINABLE.

I REMEMBER TELLING SOMEBODY WHEN

THEY COMFORTED ME ON THEIR PACE,

YOU ARE GOING TOO FAST.

THE DEVIL NEVER TAKES A DAY OFF.

MAYBE THE DEVIL IS NOT SUPPOSED

TO BE YOUR EXAMPLE MAYBE GENESIS

1, GOD TOOK A DAY OFF SHOULD BE

THE EXAMPLE YOU STRIVE FOR.

PERRY TALKED ABOUT ABOUT THIS

IN HIS NEW BOOK "OVERWHELMED."

HE TALKS ABOUT RESTING AND

SPENDING TIME WITH FAMILY AND

HAVING FUN.

LEARNING TO TAKE A SABBATH

AND DO SOMETHING FUN AND NOT

FEELING GUILTY ABOUT IT IS

ESSENTIAL TO LONG-TERM HEALTH.

TERRY: NOT JUST FOR PASTORS,

REALLY FOR ALL OF US.

TECHNOLOGY AS WONDERFUL AS IT IS

HAS CAUSED THINGS TO BE GO

FASTER AND BE CON STAND.

WE HAVE THE CHOICE WITHIN US TO

SAY I AM GOING TO DO IT THE WAY

GOD SUGGESTED.

OUR CREATOR KNOWS WHAT WE NEED.

PAT: JESUS SAID THE SABBATH

WAS MADE FOR MAN.

A DAY OF REST.

DO YOU DO THAT?

TERRY: I TLIE TRY TO DO

THAT.

TURNING YOUR CELL PHONE OFF AND

THE COMPUTER.

PAT: PUT THE COMPUTER IN THE

LAKE.

PEOPLE WILL ON CALL CONSTANTLY.

TERRY: IT IS VERY, VERY

TRUE.

THING THAT IS GLAET ABOUT WHAT

WE ARE HEARING TODAY AND THE

THOUGHT IT IS PROVOKING, WE CAN

CHOOSE.

WE ARE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO

SHAPE OUR LIVES WITH REST IN IT.

YOU ARE HEARING FROM A NUMBER OF

PEOPLE ON OUR PROGRAM HOW

SIGNIFICANT THAT IS.

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UP NEXT, A DIFFERENT WAY TO FIX

A BROKEN HEART.

THIS TIME IT SAVED A LITTLE

GIRL'S LIFE.

STAY TUNED FOR THAT STORY COMING

UP.

TERRY: WHEN A YOUNG BABY WAS

BORN IN THE PHILIPPINES, DOCTORS

GAVE HER ONE YEAR TO LIVE.

MEDICAL HELP FROM OPERATION

BLESSING, THAT YEAR TURNED INTO

A LIFETIME.

EIGHT-YEAR-OLD KEYSHA WAS

EXCITED WHEN SHE LEARNED SHE

WOULD BE A BIG SISTER FOR THE

FIRST TIME.

I WAS HAPPY TO HAVE SOMEONE

TO PLAY WITH.

A FEW MONTHS AFTER THE BABY

WAS BORN, HER MOTHER KNEW

SOMETHING WAS WRONG.

SHE WAS SMALL FOR HER AGE AND

SICK ALL THE TIME.

WE TOOK HER TO THE DOCTOR.

A CHEST X-RAY SHOWED

FIVE-MONTH-OLD KEYLA HAD TWO

HOLES IN HER HEART AND WITHOUT

SURGERY SHE WOULD DIE WITHIN A

YEAR.

WE DIDN'T HAVE MONEY FOR THE

SURGERY.

AT NIGHT I WOULD WAKE UP EVERY

HALF HOW TO SEE IF SHE WAS

BREATHING.

LORENZO BEGAN TO SET ASIDE

MONEY.

HIS EARNINGS WEREN'T ENOUGH.

HE NEEDED HELP FAST.

I WAS SO DESPERATE.

I THOUGHT ABOUT STEALING.

I WAS SCARED TO LOSE MY

SISTER.

THAT IS WHEN A FRIEND

SUGGESTED ASKING CBN FOR HELP.

THEY REPAIRED THE HOLES IN HER

HEART.

TODAY SHE IS A HAPPY ONE YEAR

OLD.

MY DAUGHTER IS MORE ACTIVE.

WHEN I LOOK INTO HER EYES I SEE

JOY.

THANK YOU, CBN, YOU SAVED OUR

LITTLE GIRL.

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WHEN YOU DO, OUR WAY OF SAYING

THANK YOU IS TO SEND YOU LIVING

UNDER GOD'S BLESSING.

I WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU MATILDA

WHO LIVES IN AKOYE, FLORIDA.

I LEARNED A LOT ABOUT ISRAEL AND

HOW GOD CONTINUES TO BLESS HER.

WE REALLY CAN DO IT.

PAT: COMING AHEAD, AUTHOR OF

"LOVE LANGUAGES," HEY, GARY

CHAPMAN IS GOING TO TELL US WHAT

TO DO WHEN LOVE RUNS OUT.

HOPE IT DOESN'T RUN OUT FOR YOU.

NEW

TERRY: IT IS NOT.

[LAUGHTER].



WELCOME BACK TO WASHINGTON

FOR THIS CBN NEWS BREAK,

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IT SHARES ABOUT THE LOVE OF

JESUS AND PROVIDES A PRAYER OF

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PAT AND TERRY WILL BE BACK RIGHT

AFTER THIS.

TERRY: WHAT IS YOUR LOVE

LANGUAGE?

THAT IS THE QUESTION FROM GARY

CHAPMAN.

IT IS ONE MILLIONS OF COUPLES

HAVE ANSWERED.

SOMETIMES IT SEEMS AS IF A

RELATIONSHIP IS DESTINED TO FALL

APART.

TO THOSE COUPLES, GARY CHAPMAN

HAS A QUESTION AS WELL.

MANY PEOPLE KNOW GARY CHAPMAN AS

AMERICA'S MOST BELOVED MARRIAGE

COUNSELOR.

ALSO THE AUTHOR OF "NEW YORK

TIMES" BEST SELLER "THE FIVE

LOVE LANGUAGES."

FOR 35 YEARS, GARY HAS HELPED

THOUSANDS HEAL THEIR MARRIAGES.

HIS NEW BOOK "ONE MORE TRY,"

GARY WILL TELL YOU WHAT TO DO

THAT WILL SAVE YOUR MARRIAGE.

TERRY: DR. GARY CHAPMAN IS

HERE AGAIN AND WE WELCOME YOU.

THANK YOU, TERRY.

GOOD TO BE BACK.

TERRY: MOST PEOPLE HAVE

POINTS WHERE THEY STRUGGLE A

LITTLE BIT.

WHEN PEOPLE GET IN A HARD PLACE,

USUALLY THEY FEEL LIKE IT IS THE

OTHER GUY'S FAULT, IS THAT

COMMON?

IT IS COMMON.

ALL OF US FEEL LIKE OUR

POSITION, OUR THOUGHTS, OUR

BEHAVIOR IS ALL RIGHT.

TERRY: I AM THE RIGHTEOUS

ONE, [LAUGHTER].

WHEN PEOPLE COME TO YOU AND SO

MANY PEOPLE HAVE READ YOUR BOOKS

OVER THE YEARS, HOW DO YOU MOVE

THEM TO CONSIDERING THE FACT

THERE ARE THINGS IN THEIR OWN

THOUGHT PROCESS, THEIR OWN WAY

OF LIVING THAT NEED CHANGING.

IF THEY ARE BELIEVERS, JESUS

MADE IT CLEAR, FIRST OF ALL, YOU

GET THE LOG OUT OF YOUR OWN EYE.

THEN YOU CAN SEE HOW TO GET THE

SPECK OUT OF THE OTHER PERSON'S

EYE.

HE DIDN'T SAY NOTHING IS WRONG

WITH THEM, LEAVE THEM ALONE.

HE SAID FIRST OF ALL, DEAL WITH

YOUR OWN FAILURES, THEN PROCESS

THE PROBLEMS ON THE OTHER

PERSON.

TERRY: WHEN PEOPLE COME TO

YOU, OFTEN THEY COME, I AM SURE

THEY ARE AT THE END OF THEIR

ROPE.

THEY WANT OUT OF THE DISCOMFORT

OF HAVING TO WORK THROUGH THESE

THINGS.

HOW DO YOU HELP PEOPLE GET TO

THE PLACE WHERE THEY SAY I AM

WILLING TO TRY TO RECONCILE

THIS?

THAT IS THE BEGINNING, ISN'T IT?

IT IS.

I AM VERY EMPATHIC.

I KNOW WHAT IT IS LIKE TO BE

MARRIED AND FEEL LIKE YOU

MARRIED THE WRONG PERSON.

TERRY: DID YOU GO THROUGH

THAT?

WE DID.

CAROLYN AND I FELT LIKE THAT IN

THE EARLY YEARS.

TERRY: WHAT DID YOU DO?

FOR US IT WAS A LONG JOURNEY.

WE WERE BOTH COMMITTED TO

MARRIAGE AND GOD.

WHEN YOU HAVE THAT KIND OF

FOUNDATION, YOU ARE GOING TO

FIND ANSWERS.

WHAT I SAY TO PEOPLE WHEN THEY

COME, REALLY.

I UNDERSTAND, FIRST OF ALL HOW

YOU COULD GET TO THE PLACE WHERE

YOU HAVE NO HOPE.

WHY DON'T YOU GO ON MY HOPE FOR

A WHILE.

I WORK WITH A LOT OF COUPLES.

I HAVE SEEN A LOT OF MARRIAGES

RESTORED.

I NEVER ASK PEOPLE DO YOU WANT

TO WORK ON YOUR MARRIAGE?

THEY HAVE LOST THE WANT TO.

I ASK WILL YOU WORK ON YOUR

MARRIAGE?

I UNDERSTAND, THE EMOTIONS ARE

NOT PUSHING YOU.

WILL YOU WORK ON THE MARRIAGE?

IF YOU WILL, WE CAN TAKE STEPS

TO LEAD YOU IN THE RIGHT

DIRECTION.

TERRY: IT IS A PROCESS FOR

EVERYONE, ISN'T IT?

IT IS.

THERE IS NO MAGIC WAND WAVED AND

THE MARRIAGE IS FIND.

OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD IS

EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.

WE HAVE TO TURN AROUND.

WE HAVE TO COME BACK TO GOD.

OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD AND

HELP OF THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL

HELP US IMPLEMENT THOSE THINGS.

WE DIDN'T GET TO THE POINT OF

DESPAIR OVERNIGHT.

WE ARE NOT GOING TO GET BACK TO

THE POINT OF ENJOYING LIFE

OVERNIGHT.

TERRY: WHEN SHOULD PEOPLE

SEEK HELP WHEN THEY ARE

STRUGGLING?

I THINK SOMETIMES WE WAIT UNTIL

WE DON'T WANT TO.

COUPLES GETTING MARRIED, IN

THE FIRST YEAR OF MARRIAGE, CALL

A PASTOR.

GO SEE AN OLDER FRIEND.

SHARE THE STRUGGLE WITH THEM.

YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE

PROBLEMS OTHER PEOPLE HAVEN'T

HAD SIMILAR PROBLEMS.

EARLIER YOU REACH OUT, EARLIER

YOU'LL FIND AN ANSWER.

TERRY: I AM GOING TO ASK YOU

THIS, WHY DO MEN SEEM TO HAVE

SUCH A STRUGGLE WITH GETTING

HELP FROM SOMEONE?

IT IS THE IDEA WE WANT TO DO

IT OURSELVES.

YOU KNOW, WE ARE NOT GOING TO

ASK SOMEBODY HOW TO GET THERE.

OF COURSE NOW WE HAVE GOOGLE.

WE ARE NOT GOING TO ASK

QUESTIONS.

WE ARE GOING TO DO IT OURSELVES.

SOMETHING ABOUT THE EGO OF MEN

THAT WANT TO DO IT OURSELVES.

WE WERE DESIGNED TO LIVE IN

COMMUNITY.

MARRIAGE IS DESIGNED TO BE THE

MOST INTIMATE OF ALL

RELATIONSHIPS.

BECAUSE OF THE INTIMACY, DESIRE

FOR INTIMACY, WE HAVE TO HAVE

HELP.

THERE ARE THINGS WE DON'T

UNDERSTAND ABOUT EACH OTHER.

WE REACH OUT FOR HELP, WE FIND

HELP.

TERRY: SOMETIMES THERE ARE

THINGS WE DON'T UNDERSTAND ABOUT

OURSELVES.

IT SEEMS LIKE A COMMON THING WE

GO THROUGH AS HUMAN BEINGS IS

THAT THE GRASS IS ALWAYS GREENER

SOME WHERE ELSE.

THAT IS NOT REALITY.

WE TAKE OUR PROBLEMS WITH US IF

WE DON'T SOLVE THEM.

RESEARCH INDICATES DIVORCE

RATE IN SECOND MARRIAGES IS

HIGHER THAN FIRST MARRIAGE.

ANSWER IS LEARNING HOW TO LOVE

THE PERSON TO WHOM YOU ARE NOW

MARRIED.

NO ONE GETS MARRIED, GEE, I

HOPE THIS WORKS, IF IT DOESN'T

THERE IS ALWAYS DIVORCE.

WHAT HAPPENS TO PEOPLE'S DREAMS?

WE HEAR ABOUT THE HONEYMOON

PHASE.

HOW DO WE LOSE WHAT WAS SO

ENTICING?

THE INLOVE EXPERIENCE WHERE

YOU ARE PUSHED ALONG WITH THESE

EUPHORIC FEELINGS HAS AVERAGE

LIFE SPAN OF TWO YEARS, WE COME

DOWN OFF THE HIGH.

I SAY LET'S BE GLAD WE COME DOWN

OFF THE HIGH.

IF WE DIDN'T, YOU WOULD HAVE TO

CLOSE DOWN BUSINESS, INDUSTRY,

CHURCH, EDUCATION.

YOU CAN'T GET ANYTHING DONE WHEN

YOU ARE IN LOVE.

BEING IN LOVE IS NEXT DOOR TO

BEING INSANE.

WHEN WE COME DOWN, WE BEGIN TO

IDENTIFY THE THINGS ON THE OTHER

PERSON THAT IRRITATE US AND

ARGUE AND SAY HURTFUL THINGS.

AFTER A WHILE, WE ARE WONDERING,

WHY DID WE GET MARRIED?

WE DON'T LIKE EACH OTHER.

IT IS A NORMAL PHASE.

BEFORE YOU GET MARRIED, YOU WILL

COME DOWN OFF THE HIGH AND HAVE

TO WORK THROUGH THE DIFFERENCES.

IF YOU UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS

MUCH EASIER.

TERRY: YOU WRITE IN THE BOOK

ABOUT THE DEEPEST PIT,

LONELINESS, TALK ABOUT THAT.

I THINK IN A MARRIAGE, YOU

CAN BECOME EXTREMELY LONELY IF

YOU HAVEN'T LEARNED HOW TO SHARE

A LIFE INTELLECTUALLY,

EMOTIONALLY, SOCIALLY WHICH IS

WHAT INTIMACY IS ABOUT.

YOU CAN BECOME EXTREMELY LONELY

WHEN YOU LEAD INDEPENDENT LIVES.

THE LONELINESS IS ONE OF THE

DEEPEST HURTS OF THE HUMAN

HEART.

GOD SAID IT IS NOT GOOD FOR A

MAN TO BE ALONE.

THE WORD MEANS CUT OFF OR

ISOLATED.

GOD'S ANSWER WAS THE INSTITUTION

OF MARRIAGE.

DESIGNED FOR THE MOST INTIMATE

OF ALL RELATIONSHIPS.

TERRY: IT CAN BE LEARNED.

ABSOLUTELY.

[LAUGHTER].

TERRY: IF YOUR MARRIAGE IS

IN TROUBLE, I WANT TO SHARE WITH

YOU DR. GARY'S BOOK "ONE MORE

TRY."

WHAT TO DO WHEN YOUR MARRIAGE IS

FALLING APART.

A GREAT INTRODUCTION TO FINDING

LIFE LONG ANSWERS FOR YOU AND

THE PEOPLE YOU LOVE.

DR. CHAPMAN, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

TERRY: WHEN WE COME BACK, WE

HAVE YOUR E-MAIL QUESTIONS LIKE

THIS ONE FROM ONE VIEWER: MY

FRIEND SAYS ALLOWING INSTRUMENTS

TO BE PLAYED AT CHURCH ISN'T

BIBLICAL, IS SHE RIGHT?

THAT AND MORE WHEN WE COME BACK.

?

TERRY: YOU ALL HAVE BEEN

NICE ENOUGH TO SUBMIT QUESTIONS

YOU WANT ANSWERS, WE ARE GOING

TO BRING IT ON.

FIRST ONE IS A VIEWER WHO SAYS I

HAVE A FRIEND THAT JOINED A

CHURCH THAT DOES NOT ALLOW

INSTRUMENTS TO BE PLAYED DURING

PRAISE AND WORSHIP.

THERE IS NO MENTION IN THE NEW

TESTAMENT AND WRONG.

SHE REFUSES TO VISIT ANY OTHER

CHURCH, IS THIS BIBLICAL?

WHERE CAN I POINT HER?

PAT: THAT IS GROSS LEGALISM.

THE BIBLE SAYS, PRAISE THE LORD

WITH THE SYMBOL AND THE HARP

WITH THE VOICE OF TRIUMPH, SHOUT

HAS GONE UP.

IN THE HOLD DAYS THEY BLEW THE

SHOFAR, THE TRUMPET BLASTS THAT

THE LORD WILL COME BACK.

YOU READ THAT IN THE NEW

TESTAMENT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE, I

DON'T KNOW THEY READ A LITTLE

BIT OF THE BIBLE AND READ IT

WRONG, I AM SORRY, YOU ARE OFF.

I DON'T LIKE LEGALISM.

TERRY: ALSO MUSIC IS SO

GRAND IN BRINGING US INTO THE

PRESENCE OF THE LORD.

I CAN'T IMAGINE NOT HAVING IT.

PAT: ABSOLUTELY, PIPE ORGAN,

PRAISE THE LORD WITH A SYMBOL

AND THE HARP.

IT IS IN THERE.

TERRY: MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE

BEEN TRYING FOR A BABY.

I HAVE POLLY CYSTIC -- WE PRAY

FOR A BABY AND THE EMOTIONAL

STRENGTH TO KEEP TRYING.

DO YOU HAVE WORDS OF ADVICE TO

STAY POSITIVE?

PAT: WE HAPPEN TO HAVE ONE OF

OUR PRODUCERS WHO TOLD MY

SECRETARY SHE HAD THIS SAME

CONDITION AND WAITING YEARS AND

YEARS.

IN HER CASE SHE HAD TO LOSE SOME

WEIGHT.

THEN THEY BEGAN TO HOLD ON IN

PRAYER.

WEIGHT LOSS AND HOLDING ON TO

PRAYER, GOD GAVE THEM A

BEAUTIFUL BABY.

YOU CAN OVERCOME THIS PROBLEM.

ONE OF THE FASTEST WAYS TO GET A

BABY IS GO ADOPT ONE.

[LAUGHTER].

TERRY: OH DEAR.

PAT: THEN ALL THE PRESSURE IS

GONE.

TERRY: IF IT IS ENCOURAGING,

MY DAUGHTER AND LAW AND MY

SISTER BOTH HAD THAT CONDITION

AND BOTH HAVE BEAUTIFUL

CHILDREN.

PAT: WHAT DID THEY DO?

TERRY: THERE ARE THINGS YOU

DO AND THE OTHER JUST GOT

PREGNANT.

PRAYER WORKS.

THIS IS HEIDI, MY FAMILY HAS

BEEN UNDER DEMONIC ATTACK FOR

EIGHT MONTHS.

I KNOW ABOUT EPHESIANS 6:10.

MY HUSBAND REFUSES TO SEE THIS.

HOW DOES A CHRISTIAN REMOVE

DEMONIC FORCES AND CLEANSE THEIR

HOME.

PAT: FIND A PASTOR THAT

BELIEVES IN SPIRITUAL WARFARE

AND BRING SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE

CONGREGATION TO YOUR HOUSE.

WHAT YOU DO IN YOUR OWN VOICE IS

SAY SAY SATAN, I BIND YOUR POWER

AND FORCES OF EVIL.

DEMONS ARE REAL.

SATAN IS REAL.

POWER OF JESUS IS REAL.

ALL RIGHT.

TERRY: PUT PRAISE MUSIC ON,

TOO.

PAT: I DON'T BELIEVE IN

SINGING TO DEMONS, COMMAND THEM.

T

TERRY: IS WATER BAPTISM

REQUIRED.

RAISED IN NEWNESS OF LIFE.

IT IS LIKE AN IMMERSION.

WE HAVE GOTTEN INTO THE

SPRINKLING STUFF.

THE BAPTIST BELIEVE IN EMERSION.

OTHERS BELIEVE IN SPRING LG.

IT IS NOT GOING TO KEEP YOU OUT

OF HEAVEN.

IF YOU WANT TO DO THE BIBLICAL

WAY, IT HAS TO DO WITH WATER.

TERRY: ROB SAID I HEARD IN

HEAVEN, PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT

DEGREES OF GLORY?

IF SO, CAN IT BE LOST ON THIS

EARTH DUE TO ACTIONS THAT DON'T

PLEASE GOD?

PAT: I HAVE NEVER BEEN TO

HEAVEN, I WOULD LIKE TO GO.

I AM NOT IN ANY HURRY.

PAUL SAID I WAS CALLED UP INTO

THE THIRD HEAVEN AND SAW SIGHTS

AND SOUNDS.

I READ A BOOK OF SOMEONE THAT

DIED.

VARIOUS STAGES OF WHERE YOU ARE.

PARADISE, SHIELD, SO FORTH.

THE OTHER PART IS PAUL SAID WE

ALL HAVE TO STAND BEFORE THE

BEAM OF THE JUDGMENT SEAT OF

CHRIST.

WE WON'T GO INTO THE GREAT WHITE

FALL OF JUDGMENT, WHICH IS GOING

TO HELL, JESUS SAID IF YOU HEAR

MY WORD AND BELIEVE ON HIM, YOU

HAVE EVER LASTING LIFE AND SHALL

NOT COME INTO JUDGMENT.

WHEN WE COME TO JESUS, WE ARE

OUT OF THAT PART OF JUDGMENT.

APPARENTLY THERE IS A REWARD FOR

WHAT YOU DO IN YOUR BODY.

THAT IS WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS.

IT IS NOT CLEAR.

I WISH IT WAS CLEAR.

HELP DIDN'T.

WHAT ELSE?

REAL QUICK?

TERRY: THERESA SAID MY

HUSBAND IS INTO WATCHING

PORNOGRAPHIC MOVIES.

HE DOESN'T PROVIDE, CONSTANT

DRUG USER, I WANT TO LIVE FOR

CHRIST.

SHOULD I CONTINUE TO PRAY FOR

OUR MARRIAGE OR WALK AWAY.

PAT: HE IS MAKING IT SO YOU

CAN'T LIVE WITH HIM.

HE HAS ABANDONED THE MARRIAGE.

YOU COULD ASK FOR COUNSELING.

SOUNDS LIKE HE IS FAR GONE.

GOD IS A GOD OF MIRACLES, HE CAN

BRING HIM BACK.

REDEMPTION IS GOD'S BEST WAY.

YOU MIGHT TRY A TRIAL SEPARATION

AND HOPE HE STRAIGHTENS UP.

IF THAT DOESN'T WORK, GOOD-BYE.

WE LEAVE YOU WITH TODAY'S POWER

MINUTE FROM MATTHEW 11: COME

UNTO ME, ALL YOU WHO ARE WEARY

AND BURDENED.

I WILL GIVE YOU REST.

THAT IS ALL THE TIME WE HAVE

GOT.

TOMORROW, AMERICANS WANT JOBS,

GUESS WHO IS IN THE WAY OF THEM

GETTING THEM?

OUR OWN GOVERNMENT.

THAT IS ALL THE TIME WE HAVE

GOT.

FOR TERRY, AND ALL OF US, THIS

IS PAT ROBERTSON, WE THANK YOU

FOR BEING WITH US AND LOOK

FORWARD TO SEE YOU TOMORROW,

BYE-BYE.

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