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The 700 Club - August 12, 2014

Author and mother of four, Marybeth Hicks offers guidance for parents’ tough questions in a culture that glamorizes promiscuity and corruption. Plus, living a rebellious life backfired when Jordan experienced a drug overdose. Read Transcript


OUR TRADITIONAL VALUES

UNDER ASSAULT.

TODD STARNES TAKES US INSIDE

THE CULTURE WAR.

AND THEN...

ALL OF A SUDDEN THESE

WOMEN TURNED INTO HUGE, HUGE

DEMONS.

Wendy: ...HELL TRIES TO

CLAIM OTHER VICTIM.

WHAT HE SAW AND HOW HE

ESCAPED, ON TODAY'S "700

CLUB."

AND ALL OF A SUDDEN,

BOOM, I'M GONE.

*

Pat: WELL, WELCOME TO

"THE 700 CLUB."

THE SLAUGHTER IN IRAQ IS

STILL GOING ON, AND THE

QUESTION IS: IF THE

PRESIDENT HAD ACTED MORE

FORCEFULLY EARLIER, COULD HE

HAVE STOPPED IT?

WELL, SOME OF THE KURDS,

WITH OUR CHRIS MITCHELL,

BELIEVE THE ANSWER IS, YES,

WE COULD HAVE STOPPED IT.

Terry: THE UNITED

STATES IS HELPING THE KURDS

NOW, BUT THE ISLAMIC

TERRORISTS ARE STILL ON THE

MARCH.

WE HAVE TWO REPORTS STARTING

WITH CHRIS IN

KURDISTANMENT.

Reporter: AFTER ISIS

DEFEATED THE PESHMERGA, SOME

WONDERED IF THE KURDISH

MILITARY WAS UP TO THE

CHALLENGE.

THIS IS THE FRONT LINES OF

THE WAR BETWEEN ISIS AND THE

PESHMERGA.

ISIS CAME WITH A LARGE

CONVOY AND HEAVY ARTILLERY,

BUT THIS TIME THE PESHMERGA

PREVAILED.

SIGNS OF THE BATTLE LITTER

THE TOWN.

THIS DESTROYED VEHICLE

LAUNCHED SHELLS AT THE

PESHMERGA.

ACROSS THE ROAD, ISIS LED

BEHIND THIS FIGHTER.

THE VICTORY AT MACMOR

ENCOURAGED THE PESHMERGA,

BUT THEY STILL FACED AN

ENEMY.

MUCH OF IT CAPTURED IRAQI

EQUIPMENT SUPPLIED BY THE

U.S.

UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAVE

BEEN U OUT-GUNNED BY THEM.

WE NEED HEAVY WEAPONRY,

ARMOR AND AMMUNITION.

THEY HAVE BULLET PROOF

VEHICLES, HEAVY WEAPONRY,

AND ARMOR, WHICH WE LACK.

Reporter: THEY SAY

BECAUSE PESHMERGA HAS HEAVY

WEAPONS, THEY HAVE TO KEEP

THEIR DIFFERENCE.

IF THEY HAD THE SAME KIND OF

WEAPONS, IT WOULD BE A

DIFFERENT WAR.

U.S. AIR STRIKES HAVE MADE A

DIFFERENCE ON THE

BATTLEFIELD AND IN THE

DIPLOMATIC ARENA.

OF COURSE IT IS GOOD FOR

US.

WHEN A SUPER POWER LIKE THE

UNITED STATES INTERVENES,

THE BALANCE OF POWER GOES IN

OUR FAVOR.

BUT, ALSO, IT IS VERY

IMPORTANT FOR US IT IS THE

FIRST TIME THAT THE U.S. HAS

INTERVENED AND SAID I'M

GOING TO PROTECT MY ALLY.

Reporter: THE PESHMERGA

COMMANDERS TOLD CBN NEWS

THEY NEED MORE HELP.

THE WEAPONS WE HAVE, ISIS

HAS THE SAME STUFF, BUT EVEN

BETTER ONES.

WE NEED HEAVY WEAPONRY,

ARTILLERY, AND HUMVEES.

THESE ARE ALL VERY IMPORTANT

TO US.

Reporter: ONE VERY

KURDISH OFFICIAL SAID IF THE

PESHMERGA HAD BEEN BETTER

ARMED, MUCH OF THE CURRENT

CRISIS AND POTENTIAL

GENOCIDE MIGHT HAVE BEEN

AVOIDED.

COMMANDERS IN THE FIELD SAID

IF THEY HAD THE WEAPONS,

THEY'RE MORE THAN UP THE THE

TASK.

THE PESHMERGA ARE

FIGHTING FOR THE SAKE OF

THEIR LAND, THEIR PEOPLE,

AND THEIR RIGHTS.

SO THEY ARE READY TO

CONFRONT THE ENEMY WHEREVER

THEY ARE.

Reporter: CHRIS

MITCHELL, CBN NEWS, MAKMOR,

KURDISTAN.

Reporter: THIS IS GARY

LANE REPORTING.

PRESIDENT OBAMA INTERRUPTED

HIS VACATION ON MARTHA'S

VINEYARD TO HELP THE IRAQI

PEOPLE.

SO FAR HUMANITARIAN AIRDROPS

HAVE PROVIDED 16,000 GALLONS

OF WATER, AND 75,000 MEALS

FOR YAZIDIS AND OTHER KURDS

ON THE RUN FROM THE ISLAMIC

MILITANTS.

AT LEAST 16 TARGETED AIR

STRIKES HAVE MADE A

DIFFERENCE IN HALTING THEIR

ADVANCE.

BUT THE PRESIDENT AGAIN SAYS

THE CURRENT CRISIS MUST BE

RESOLVED BY THE IRAQIS, NOT

THE AMERICANS.

President Obama: THE

ONLY LASTING PEACE IS FOR

IRAQIS TO COME TOGETHER AND

FORM AN INCLUSIVE

GOVERNMENT, ONE THAT

REPRESENTS THE LEGITIMATE

INTERESTS OF ALL IRAQIS, AND

ONE THAT CAN UNIFY THE

COUNTRY'S FIGHT.

Reporter: ON MONDAY

IRAQ'S PRESIDENT NOMINATED

HAIDER AL-ABADI.

HE WAS NEEDED TO BRING UNITY

TO THE COUNTRY IN ITS BATTLE

AGAINST THE ISLAMIC STATE

MILITANTS.

HE WILL NOW HAVE 30 DAYS TO

FORM A NEW GOVERNMENT.

BUT HIS TASK WON'T BE EASY.

NOURI AL-MALIKI AND OTHERS

OPPOSE HIS NOMINATION,

CALLING IT

UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

THAT POWER STRUGGLE COMES AS

MANY IRAQIS SAY AL-MALIKI

HAS EXCLUDED THE SUNNIS AND

KURDS FOR $100 BILLION IN

ANNUAL OIL PROFITS.

President Obama: THE

UNITED STATES STANDS READY

TO SUPPORT A GOVERNMENT THAT

ADDRESSES THE NEEDS AND

GRIEVANCES OF ALL IRAQI

PEOPLE.

AND WE'RE ALSO READY TO WORK

WITH OTHER COUNTRIES IN THE

REGION TO WORK WITH THE

HUMANITARIAN CRISIS AND THE

COUNTERTERRORISM IN IRAQ.

Reporter: PERHAPS MORE

DIFFICULT WILL BE THE

DEVELOPMENT OF A LONG-TERM

STRATEGY TO COUNTER THE

STRENGTHENING AND ADVANCE OF

THE ISLAMIC STATE FIGHTERS

THROUGH THE LAVONT REGION,

WHICH INCLUDES SOUTHERN

TURKEY, IRAQ, SYRIA,

LEBANON, JORDAN, ISRAEL, AND

EGYPT.

GARY LANE, CBN NEWS.

Pat: LADIES AND

GENTLEMEN, HERE IS THE

SCENE: ISIS IS FORMED IN

SYRIA.

OUR PRESIDENT DID NOTHING.

MORE RECENTLY, JUST THE LAST

DAY OR TWO, HILLARY CLINTON,

FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE,

HAS CRITICIZED THE OBAMA

ADMINISTRATION FOR THE FACT

THEY DID NOT FIND THE

MODERATE REBELS AGAINST THE

AS SASAD REGIME IN SYRIA

AND HELP THEM.

BASICALLY HER CONTENTION WAS

IF THEY HAD DONE SOMETHING

FOR THEM, THEN THIS ISIS MAY

NOT HAVE BEEN FORMED.

BUT ISIS BROUGHT TOGETHER

THE ELEMENTS FIGHTING THE

ASSAD REGIME IN SYRIA AND

HAS MORVED OU MORPHED OUT

OF THAT IN IRAQ.

JUST THESE WORDS FROM THE

BIBLE -- LISTEN TO THIS: YOU

PUT OFF THE DAY OF DISASTER

AND BRING NEAR THE REIGN OF

TERROR.

YOU PUT OFF THE DAY OF

DISASTER AND BRING NEAR THE

REIGN OF TERROR.

ON THE OTHER HAND, COMING TO

IRAQ, OBAMA SAYS, FIRST OF

ALL, BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING,

WE'VE GOT TO HAVE A

GOVERNMENT IN PLACE.

WELL, THIS IS ABSURD.

THE SHI'AS AND THE SUNNIS

ARE AT ODDS WITH ONE

ANOTHER.

THE POOR PEOPLE, THE KURDS,

ARE AT THE TAIL END OF ALL

OF THAT.

AND MALIKI HAS BEEN A

DIVIDER OF MASSIVE

PROPORTION, AND THE COUNTRY

IS IN CHAOS.

SO WHAT OBAMA IS SAYING, I'M

NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING

UNTIL YOU FORM A

GOVERNMENT.

AND ISIS IS MOVING AT

BREAK-NECK SPEED TO CONQUER

A GREAT SEGMENT OF THE

POPULATION.

AND IT IS A HUMANITARIAN

DISASTER.

THAT'S WHAT INACTION

CAUSES.

NOW, I WANT TO SHOW YOU TWO

MAPS.

THE FIRST MAP HAS TO DO WITH

HOW FAR ISIS HAS GONE.

MR. DIRECTOR, IF YOU HAVE

THAT -- THERE IT IS.

ALL RIGHT.

IT IS A BIG HUNK OF SYRIA, A

BIG HUNK OF IRAQ.

THEY'RE SURROUNDING BAGHDAD,

AND THEY'RE MOVING ON IRBIL,

UP THERE IN THE KURDISTAN

AREA.

AND IN THE SUNNI HEARTLAND,

THEY HAVE DOMINANT.

AND THEY JUST ROLLED OVER

THAT IN A MATTER OF A FEW

DAYS.

NOW, THEY TALK ABOUT THAT WE

DON'T WANT THAT ONLY.

WE WANT THE SO-CALLED LA

VONT.

LITIES SEE WHERE THAT IS?

THAT'S SYRIA, THAT'S JORDAN,

THAT'S ISRAEL, AND THAT'S

PART OF EGYPT.

ULTIMATELY IT WOULD INCLUDE

IRAQ AND BAGHDAD, AND VERY

POSSIBLY IRAN.

THEY WANT THE CALIPHATE OVER

THAT ENTIRE REGION.

AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE

TALKING ABOUT.

THE L LAMONT IS THE PART IN

GREEN.

THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE ASKING

FOR.

AND THEY'RE BRUTAL KILLERS.

AND THEY'RE WELL-ARMED.

NOW, A LONG TIME AGO, I SAID

WE SHOULD HAVE SUPPORTED THE

KURDS.

THEY'RE WONDERFUL PEOPLE.

THEY HAVE A DEMOGRAPHIC-TYPE

GOVERNMENT IN PLACE IN THEIR

PART OF THE REGION.

AND THE PESHMERGA ARE STRONG

FIGHTERS.

BUT WE WITHHELD ANY AID FROM

THEM, SAYING WE'VE GOT TO

ONLY GIVE THIS TO THE

CENTRAL GOVERNMENT IN

BAGHDAD, WHICH IS MALIKI'S

GOVERNMENT.

FINALLY WE'VE SAID, THIS IS

NONSENSE.

WE'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING.

AND IT'S TOO LITTLE, TOO

LATE, AND THIS IS GOING TO

BE THE STORY WE'RE GOING TO

HEAR OVER AND OVER AND OVER

AGAIN.

YESTERDAY WE WERE STILL

PRAYING, BUT I AM VERY

GRATEFUL THAT AT LEAST WE'RE

DOING SOMETHING, AND THAT

WE'RE FINALLY WAKING UP TO

THE FACT THAT IRAQ IS GOING

TO WIND UP IN THREE PARTS.

I THERE IS.

THERE IS GOING TO BE A SHI'A

COUNTRY, THERE IS GOING TO

BE A SUNNI COUNTRY, AND

THERE IS GOING TO BE A

OCCURRED COUNTRY.

AND THE PEEKO AGREEMENT IS

BREAKING APART AND IT IS NOT

GOING TO COME BACK AGAIN.

SO WE NEED TO FIND OUT THE

PART WE NEED TO HELP, AND IT

HAS TO BE THE KURDISH

NATION.

TEA HAVE THEY HAVE A NICE

OIL SUPPLY IN KIRKUK, BUT

THEY NEED TO COME BACK AND

TAKE THAT DAM IN MOSUL, AND

THEY WILL IF WE'LL GIVE THEM

ENOUGH ARMS.

SO, TERRY, YOU'VE PUT OFF

TODAY THE BROUGHT FORTH A

REIGN OF TERROR, AND THAT'S

WHAT WE'VE GOT.

Terry: WE TALKED

YESTERDAY ABOUT THE NEED FOR

BELIEVERS TO PRAY.

AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK

TODAY ABOUT HOPE.

EVEN LATE, THERE IS HOPE.

Pat: WELL, THERE IS

ALWAYS HOPE.

ONE MORE TIME, LADIES AND

GENTLEMEN, I WANT TO TELL

YOU ABOUT A BOOK OF ISLAM.

WE'VE HAD ABOUT 180,000

PEOPLE WHO HAVE RECEIVED

THIS.

THIS TELLS YOU ABOUT THE

WHOLE THING, WHAT ISLAM IS

DOING AROUND THE WORLD AND

WHAT THEY BELIEVE.

WHAT THE ISLAMISTS BELIEVE.

AND LATER ON, WE'RE GOING TO

BE TALKING TO A GENTLEMAN

WHO HAS GOT A TAKE ON THE

WAY THAT ISLAM IS BEING

FAVORED IN THE UNITED STATES

THESE DAYS, AND IT IS A

DIFFICULT PROBLEM.

WELL, HERE AT HOME, A MAN

WHO WAS ONCE CONSIDERED A

POSSIBLE PRESIDENTIAL

CONTENDER IS NOW ON TRIAL.

FORMER VIRGINIA GOVERNOR BOB

McDONNELL AND HIS WIFE

FACE CHARGES OF POLITICAL

CORRUPTION IN A FEDERAL

COURT IN RICHMOND,

VIRGINIA.

OUR JENNIFER WISHON BRINGS

US THAT STORY.

Reporter: THIS IS THE

DAILY SCENE OUTSIDE THE

FEDERAL COURTHOUSE IN

RICHMOND.

FORMER GOVERNOR BOB

McDONNELL AND HIS WIFE,

MAUREEN, ARRIVING

SEPARATELY, ESCORTED BY

THEIR ATTORNEYS INTO A

COURTROOM WHERE DIRTY

LAUNDRY ABOUT THEIR MARRIAGE

AND PERSONAL FINANCES IS

AIRED.

ALL WE WANT IN THIS CASE

IS THE TRUTH.

Reporter: THE

McDONNELLS ARE CHARGED

WITH ACCEPTING MORE THAN

$165,000 IN GIFTS,

VACATIONS, AND PERSONAL

LOANS FROM JOHNNIE WILLIAMS,

A FORMER BUSINESS EXECUTIVE,

IN EXCHANGE FOR PROMOTING

HIS PRODUCTS.

THE DEFENSE CLAIMS THAT THE

TIME IN QUESTION, THE

McDONNELL'S MARRIAGE WAS

BROKEN AND THAT THE COUPLE

BARELY SPOKE, MAKING IT HARD

FOR THEM TO ENGAGE IN A

CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY.

OTHERS HAVE TESTIFIED

MAUREEN HAD A CRUSH ON

WILLIAMS.

WHAT IS IT ABOUT YOUR

FRIENDS AND FAMILY,

SUPPORTERS --

I LOVE THEM.

Reporter: MAUREEN'S

FORMER CHIEF-OF-STAFF CALLED

HER A NUT BAG.

ONE OF THE COUPLE'S

DAUGHTER, KAYLIN, GOT

EMOTIONAL, WHEN SHE WAS

CALLED TO TESTIFY, REGARDING

WILLIAMS FOOTING THE BILL

FOR CATERING AT HER

WEDDING.

THE FORMER GOVERNOR IS NOT

SAYING MUCH, BUT HE HAS

ALWAYS BEEN OUTSPOKEN ABOUT

THE IMPORTANCE OF HIS

CHRISTIAN FAITH.

I HAVE GREAT FAITH IN GOD

AND THE JUSTICE SYSTEM, AND

IT SUSTAINS ME EVERY DAY.

Reporter: THE MAJOR

QUESTION REMAINS: DID

McDONNELL ACTUALLY BREAK

THE LAW?

JENNIFER WISHON, CBN NEWS.

Pat: I WANT TO MAKE ONE

THING CLEAR, LADIES AND

GENTLEMEN, THAT WE HAVE A

LAW IN VIRGINIA, AND IT IS A

VERY EASY LAW IN TERMS OF

POLITICIANS.

THERE IS IN LAW AGAINST A

POLITICIAN RECEIVING A

GIFT.

THERE IS NO LIMIT ON

CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS GIVEN

TO POLITICIANS.

AND CERTAIN OF THOSE THINGS

ARE ACTUALLY BEYOND THE

REACH OF THE GOVERNMENT.

SO IN TERMS OF GETTING

GIFTS, THERE IS NO STATE LAW

THAT HAS BEEN BROKEN.

WELL, I WANT TO GET INTO

THIS DETAIL BECAUSE BOB

McDONNELL IS A CHRISTIAN.

HE HAPPENS TO BE A GRADUATE

OF REGENT UNIVERSITY.

AND HE IS A PERSONAL DEAR

FRIEND OF MINE.

HE WERE SEEN THIS CAREER,

FROM THE TIME HE WAS A YOUNG

LAWYER.

HE WENT TO THE GENERAL

ASSEMBLY, AND THEN HE BECAME

THE ATTORNEY-GENERAL AND

THEN GOVERNOR.

HE HAS BEEN A DISTINGUISHED

GOVERNOR AND DISTINGUISHED

ATTORNEY-GENERAL.

THIS WHOLE THING IS A SHOCK

TO ME.

JAY SECULO IS HERE FROM THE

AMERICAN CENTER FOR LAW AND

JUSTICE.

JAY, WHAT IS THE CASE?

WHAT ARE THE FEDS TRYING TO

DO WITH THIS EXPENSIVE LEGAL

PROCEEDING?

YOU SAID IT CORRECT, THAT

IS, UND UNDE UNDER VIRGINIA

LAW, NONE OF THIS WOULD BE

AN ISSUE.

BECAUSE THERE IS NO LIMIT ON

CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS, FOR

GOOD OR FOR BAD.

THAT'S THE WAY IT WORKS IN

VIRGINIA.

SO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT

CAME IN WITH THIS INDICTMENT

ALLEGING THAT BOB RECEIVED

THESE GIFTS, AND, THEREFORE,

HE HAD TO BE GIVING

SOMETHING BACK TO THIS

COMPANY AND THIS INDIVIDUAL

THAT WAS GIVING HIM GIFTS.

TWO THINGS -- NUMBER ONE, IN

CORRUPTION CASES IT IS QUID

PRO QUO.

I GET SOMETHING AND I GIVE

YOU SOMETHING IN RUSSIAN.

THE PROBLEM HERE IS BOB GOT

SOME GIFTS FROM THE GUY, AND

HE DIDN'T GIVE HIM ANYTHING

IN RETURN.

HE DIDN'T SET UP SPECIAL

STATE APPOINTMENTS, HE

DIDN'T GIVE HIM STATE-WIDE

GRANTS.

SO FAR THE GOVERNMENT HAS

NOT BEEN ABLE TO ESTABLISH

THE "QUO" PART OF THE QUID

PRO QUO.

WHAT DID BOB DO?

NOTHING, OTHER THAN SUPPORT

A VIRGINIA COMPANY.

Pat: HE HAD A LUNCHEON

FOR THE INVESTORS, BUT

GOVERNORS DO THAT ALL OF THE

TIME.

FIVE REPUBLICAN AND

DEMOCRATS SAID WHAT BOB

McDONNELL DID IS NOT A

VIOLATION OF THE LAW,

PERIOD.

AND THIS IS BIPARTISAN.

Pat: BUT THEY WANTED TO

COME IN THE PEOPLE AND THE

JUDGE REFUSED TO LET THEM.

WHY?

HE DENIED IT FROM EVERY

SIDE IN THE CASE.

I THINK THE AMIKAS WAS

ENLIGHTENING.

YOU HAD FIVE ATTORNEY

GENERALS, REPUBLICANS AND

DEMOCRATS, SAYING THIS

ISN'T -- SAYING THAT THE

CORRUPTION CHARGE IS NOT

VALID.

BOB HASN'T EVEN BEGUN TO

REALLY MOUNT HIS DEFENSE.

I THINK YOU'LL SEE, FIRST OF

ALL, JOHNNIE WILLIAMS, THE

PERSON THAT IS THE LEAD

WITNESS FOR THE GOVERNMENT,

DID NOT DO A GOOD JOB, IN

MY VIEW, ON EXAMINATION AND

CROSS-EXAMINATION.

AND HE HAS BEEN GIVEN

IMMUNITY.

HE HAS BEEN GIVEN IMMUNITY

FROM TAX CHARGES.

YOU TALK ABOUT BOB, YOU DEAL

WITH BOB, YOU TESTIFY

AGAINST BOB McDONNELL, AND

WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND

NOT TRY YOU FOR THESE OTHER

CASES.

Pat: THEN EVERYTHING HE

SAYS IS SUSPECT.

OF COURSE.

AND THE JURY IS THINK, WHAT

IS THE MOTIVE FOR THE GUY

WHO IS THE MAIN WITNESS

AGAINST US?

HERE THE MAIN WITNESS

AGAINST BOB McDONNELL'S

MOTIVE IS TO TE TO TESTIFY

TO HELP THE GOVERNMENT.

WHY?

SO HE DOESN'T GET

PROSECUTED.

YOU REMEMBER IN CASES -- IN

THE EDWARDS CASE, THEY TRIED

IT AND IT WENT TO A JURY,

AND HE WAS ACQUITTED.

THEY DON'T HAVE A TAPE OR A

PIECE OF EVIDENCE WHERE BOB

SAID IF YOU DO THIS, I WILL

DO THAT.

WHICH IS NORMALLY HOW A

CORRUPTION CASE WOULD BE

MADE.

I THINK IT WAS COMPLETELY

POLITICAL.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS

A POLITICAL WITCH HUNT, BUT

UNFORTUNATELY IT IS TAKING

PLACE IN A COURT.

Pat: BOB WAS A

CANDIDATE FOR VICE

PRESIDENT, AND HE WOULD HAVE

BEEN ON THE SHORT LIST --

YUP.

Pat: ERIC HOLDER IS

BEHIND ALL OF THIS STUFF?

SURE.

HE, AS THE CHIEF

ATTORNEY-GENERAL, CAN MAKE

THE DECISION -- IF HE WERE

TO LOOK AT THE FACTS

OBJECTIVELY, HE COULD SAY

THIS IS A POLITICAL

PROSECUTION, AND WE DON'T DO

THIS.

THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THE

JUSTICE DEPARTMENT HAS DONE

THIS UNDER ERIC HOLDER.

THIS CITY OVERREACHES, THEY

GET CAUGHT AND PULL BACK A

LITTLE BIT, BUT THEY STILL

PICKED UP A LITTLE BIT OF

TERRITORY.

IN BOB'S CASE THEY REALLY

OVERREACHED, AND IT IS A

CRIMINAL CASE INVOLVED.

BOB IS GOING TO PUT ON A

VIGOROUS DEFENSE, AND HIS

LAWYERS WILL PUT ON A

VIGOROUS DEFENSE, AND AT THE

END OF THE DAY, THE JURY IS

GOING TO MAKE THEIR

DECISION.

Pat: WHAT IS THEIR

DEFENSE, NO QUO?

THAT BOB DID NOTHING OUT

OF THE ORDINARY, WHAT ANY

GOVERNOR WOULD DO IN ANY

STATE.

Pat: I MET WITH HIM AND

HE WAS DEVASTATED A FEW

MONTHS AGO.

AND I SAID, BOB, YOU HAVE

DONE NOTHING WRONG.

YOU CAN'T GET INDICTED

FOR ACCEPTING A GIFT BECAUSE

IT IS NOT ILLEGAL.

THEY'RE BUILDING UP WHAT I

CALL A PERCEPTION CASE.

THEY HAVE A PICTURE OF HIM

IN A CAR AND SAY HE WAS

DRIVING THIS GUY'S CAR.

IS THAT A CRIME?

IN A LEGAL ACT UNDER FEDERAL

LAW, DO WE INDICT SOMEONE

UNDER THAT.

Pat: YOUR WIFE GOES

WITH SOMEBODY TO NEW YORK ON

A SHOPPING SPREE, YOU DON'T

GET INDICTED FOR THAT

EITHER.

PAT, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT,

THIS IS THE WHOLE CASE.

HE PLAYED GOLF AT THIS GUY'S

COUNTRY CLUB.

THESE ARE NOT CRIMES.

THE WAY THE GOVERNMENT IS

INTERPRETING IT, GOVERNORS

COULD NOT GOVERN.

THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO

GOVERN.

A LOT OF LAWYERS -- NOT JUST

ME, BUT A LOT OF LAWYERS

THAT DO CRIMINAL LAW HAVE

LOOKED AT THIS AND SAID, NO,

NOT AN ILLEGAL ACT.

Pat: LOOK AT THE

LINCOLN BEDROOM.

THE CLINTONS WERE SELLING

FAVORS LIKE IT WAS GOING OUT

OF STYLE.

[COUGHING]

Pat: YOU NEED SOME --

YEAH.

Pat: I HAVEN'T USED IT

YET.

I'M SORRY.

BUT THIS IS UNUSUAL, TOO.

TO LINK THE FIRST LADY WITH

THE GOVERNOR BECAUSE SHE HAD

NO FAVORS TO GIVE.

AND SHE WASN'T AN

OFFICIAL.

SO SHE'S NOT A GOVERNMENT

OFFICIAL.

AND THEY'RE BASICALLY

PAINTING A CASE WHERE SHE

IS.

AND -- SORRY ABOUT MY

VOICE.

THE FACT IS, PAT, IF YOU

LOOK AT THE CASE, AND YOU

LOOK AT THE INDICTMENT, AT

THE END OF THE DAY, THE

INDICTMENT DOESN'T REALLY

ALLEGE A CRIME.

BUT THEY'RE STILL GOING

AFTER HIM.

Pat: WELL, THERE IS ONE

LITTLE GIMMICK, AND WE

SHOULD POINT OUT, BOB ASKED

FOR A BANK LOAN TO SUPPORT A

REAL ESTATE PROJECT.

RIGHT.

Pat: AND WHEN HE FILLED

OUT HIS FINANCIAL REFORM, HE

DID NOT LIST THE LOANS OF

$50,000 THAT THIS JOHNNIE

WILLIAMS HAD MADE AVAILABLE

TO HIM.

NOW, THOSE LOANS WERE

NON-RECOURSE, WHICH MEANS

THEY ARE NOT ENFORCEABLE

AGAINST HIM.

WHICH MEANS THEY DON'T

AFFECT HIS ABILITY TO

REPAY.

WHICH MEANS IT DOESN'T

AFFECT THE CREDIT WORTHINESS

OF THE INDIVIDUAL.

SO IT IS A NON RECOURSE

LOAN.

HE DOESN'T HAVE A PERSONAL

OBLIGATION.

HAY MAY HAVE A MORAL

OBLIGATION TO PAY IT, BUT

THERE IS NO NOTE THAT SAYS

YOU ARE LIABLE FOR THIS

DEBT.

I THINK THAT IS GOING TO

COME OUT THROUGH EXPERT

WITNESSES.

Pat: THIS IS THE ONLY

THING THEY HAVE THAT HAS GOT

ANY SUBSTANCE.

PAT, IN ALL OF THESE,

THEY ALWAYS STICK IN A

PROVISION, AND IT'S CALLED

THE "GOTCHA PROVISION."

IT IS A NON-RECOURSE DEBT.

HE ALSO AMENDED HIS

FINANCIAL OBLIGATIONS.

THAT WOULD BE SUCH A

RIDICULOUS WAY FOR THIS TO

GO.

YOU PUT THE GUY THROUGH THIS

ENTIRE PROCESS AND YOU'RE

ARGUING ABOUT A $50,000

NON-RECOURSE LOAN.

Pat: AND THEY'RE TRYING

TO GET HER ON AN OBSTRUCTION

OF JUSTICE.

HERE IS THE THING WITH

HER, MAUREEN McDONNELL WAS

THE FIRST LADY OF VIRGINIA.

SHE WAS NOT A GOVERNMENT

OFFICIAL.

SO IF SHE BOUGHT SOMETHING

OR SOLD SOMETHING OR ENGAGED

IN A BUSINESS, SHE IS A

PRIVATE CITIZEN.

WHAT THEY'VE DONE IS THEY'RE

PAINTING WITH THIS VERY

BROAD BRUSH OF SAYING, WE'RE

DON'T LIKE THE WAY THIS

LOOKS.

HERE IS A GUY WHO WAS ON THE

SHORT LIST OF A VICE

PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE.

THAT'S NOT THE WAY THE

JUSTICE SYSTEM IS SUPPOSED

TO WORK.

WHAT YOU HAVE -- AND THIS IS

THE REAL TRAGEDY OF THIS --

THIS IS GOING TO BE A

SIX-WEEK TRIAL.

IT IS EXPENSIVE FOR BOB AND

MAUREEN.

IT IS EXPENSIVE FOR THE

UNITED STATES.

AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE

TALKING ABOUT A $50,000

NON-RECOURSE DEBT?

THAT WOULD BE PATHETIC.

Pat: IT WILL BE

PATHETIC, BUT THAT'S WHAT

THE FEDS DO.

YOU'RE WORKING ON LOIS

LERNER, AND I'VE SEEN THE

STUFF SHE HAS DONE WITH THE

F.C.C., AND WHAT SHE HAS

DONE WITH THE I.R.S. IS

OUTRAGEOUS.

AND NOT ONE SINGLE

CRIMINAL CHARGE BROUGHT

AGAINST LOIS LERNER

KNOWINGLY, WILLFULLY GOT RID

OF EVIDENCE, OR IT MYSTERY

MYSTERIOUSLY EVAPORATED INTO

THE UNITED STATES.

Pat: AND ERIC HOLDER IS

NOT GOING TO DO IT?

HE IS NOT GOING TO DO

IT.

WHY ARE THEY SPENDING THE

RESOURCES TO GO AFTER BOB

McDONNELL AND MAUREEN AND

NOT GO AFTER NOT JUST LOIS

LERNER, BUT ALL OF THESE

PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THE SCAM

AT THE I.R.S.

AND THEY'RE GETTING AWAY IT,

AND NO ONE IS DOING

ANYTHING.

IF IT WASN'T FOR WHAT

CONGRESS IS DOING IN

OVERSIGHT, NOTHING WOULD BE

DONE.

Pat: AND THEY

MANUFACTURED A CASE AGAINST

THE TEA PARTY TYPES --

A CRIMINAL CASE.

HERE IS THE SAME DEPARTMENT

OF JUSTICE GOING AFTER BOB

McDONNELL WANTED

TO, QUOTE,"PIECE TOGETHER

CRIMINAL CASES" -- PIECE

TOGETHER CRIMINAL CASES

AGAINST OUR CLIENTS WITH NO

EVIDENCE.

AND THAT E-MAIL, BY THE WAY,

WE DO HAVE.

Pat: THIS IS THE LAND

OF THE FREE, THE HOME OF THE

BRAVE, THE GREATEST

DEMOCRACY ON EARTH.

THESE PEOPLE HAVE

DISTORTED -- THIS IS MUCH

WORSE THAN WATERGATE.

I HEARD SOMEBODY TALKING

ABOUT WATERGATE, THAT WAS SO

BAD.

BUT IT WAS PROFESSIONALS

GOING AFTER PROFESSIONALS.

IIT WAS A PROFESSIONAL

BURGLARS GOING AFTER THE

PROFESSIONALS WITH THE

DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

THIS IS THE GOVERNMENT GOING

AFTER ORDINARY CITIZENS.

YES, WHO DON'T GENERALLY

HAVE THE RESOURCES TO FIGHT

BACK.

WHAT THIS ECONOMICALLY DOES

TO BOB AND MAUREEN IS

DEVASTATING.

YOU HAVE A SIX-WEEK TRIAL

WITH MAJOR LAW FIRMS, YOU'RE

TALKING SERIOUS COSTS.

OUR CLIENTS, IF WE WEREN'T

REPRESENTING THEM, IT WOULD

BE MILLIONS.

WE CALCULATED ON THE I.R.S.

CASES, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE

$3.5 MILLION, $4 MILLION.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF IT

COMES DOWN TO THAT THE

CHARGE THE JURY IS DEBATING

IF A $50,000 NON-RECOURSE

LOAN IS SUBJECT TO

LIABILITY, I WOULD SAY IT IS

PATHETIC.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY,

HE IS GOING TO PUT ON A

VIGOROUS DEFENSE.

YOU PRAY AND HOPE THE

JUSTICE SYSTEM WORKS AND

WE'RE CERTAINLY GOING TO

PRAY FOR BOB.

Pat: THAT IS ONE MORE

REASON THAT THIS

ADMINISTRATION IS JUST

DESTROYING THIS NATION AND

IT IS DESTROYING ITS OWN

CREDIBILITY.

JAY, I APPRECIATE YOU BEING

HERE.

THANKS FOR THE TEA, PAT.

Pat: I HASN'T DUNK ANY

OF IT. DRUNK ANY OF IT.

THERE IS SOMETHING IN THE

AIR.

IT HAPPENS TO ME FROM TIME

TO TIME.

THANK YOU, PAT.

Pat: TERRY?

Terry: UP NEXT, ONE

NATION UNDER GOD OR A NATION

GOING UNDER?

TODD STARNS GIVETODD

STARNES GIVES US HIS TAKE ON

THE STATE OF OUR UNION,

NEXT.

Pat: MAN, YOU READ THAT

BOOK -- I'M AN OPTIMIST,

FOLKS, JUST IN CASE YOU

MISSED IT OVER THE YEARS.

THIS THING WILL SEND YOU

INTO THE DUMPS.

"GOD BLESS AMERICA."

TODD STARNES IS GOING TO BE

TALKING ABOUT A SPECIAL

MESSAGE FOR PEOPLE OF

FAITH.

HE SAYS DARK CLOUDS ARE

APPROACHING.

I THINK DARK CLOUDS ARE

SITTING ON THE WHITEHOUSE.

WHERE ARE OUR PROBLEMS?

IS IT THE MEDIA.

WHERE ARE THE DARK CLOUDS?

WELL, OUR NEXT GUEST IS

GOING TO TALK ABOUT THOSE

DARK CLOUDS, WHATEVER THEY

ARE.

AND HE IS GOING TO JOIN US

IN JUST A MOMENT.

Reporter: IN HIS ROLE

AS A POPULAR FOX NEWS RADIO

HOST AND COMMENTATOR, TODD

STARNES FOLLOWS THE LATEST

DEVELOPMENTS IN TODAY'S

CULTURE WAR.

IN HIS LATEST BOOK, "GOD

BLESS AMERICA," HE DETAILS

THE GROWING ATTACKS ON

RELIGIOUS LIBERTY IN THE

UNITED STATES.

AND WHILE HE PRESENTS IT ALL

IN HIS STORY-TELLING STYLE

WITH HUMOR AND WIT, HIS BOOK

SHOWS THAT THE ASSAULTS IN

AMERICA IS NO LAUGHING

MATTER.

Pat: WELL, THE BOOK IS

CALLED "GOD BLESS AMERICA,"

FROM TODD STARNES IN FOX

NEWS.

PAT, MY MORNING

COMMENTARIES ARE ON MORNING,

MIDDAY, AND AFTERNOON.

Pat: OH, ALL DAY.

I DON'T WANT TO CUT YOU

SHORT.

THEY LIKE TO KEEP ME OFF

THE STREETS AND KEEP ME

BUSY.

Pat: TODD, THIS IS A

SHOCKING THING.

THERE WAS ONE THING THAT

STOOD OUT.

I'VE BEEN INTERESTED IN SOME

OF THE THINGS YOU PUT OUT

HERE.

THERE WAS A LITTLE GIRL,

ABOUT EIGHT YEARS OLD, WHO

DREW A PICTURE OF JESUS ON

THE CROSS.

AND HER TEACHER TOOK IT

AWAY.

AND THE SCHOOL SAID SHE HAD

TO HAVE PSYCHOLOGICAL

COUNSELLING.

THAT WAS HORRIBLE.

I TELL STORIES ABOUT

THAT, MORE THAN 250 PAGES OF

CHRISTIANS HERE IN THE

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

THAT ARE UNDER ATTACK FOR

THEIR BELIEFS.

AND THE ATTACKS ARE

ESPECIALLY HOSTILE IN THE

PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM, PAT.

I TELL A STORY ABOUT A YOUNG

BOY DOWN IN FLORIDA, WHO HAD

JUST ACCEPTED CHRIST AS A

SAVIOR.

HIS PASTOR HAD GIVEN HIM A

BIBLE, HEN WAS S AND HE WAS

SO EXCITED ABOUT THAT BIBLE

THAT HE BROUGHT IT TO

SCHOOL.

THIS PARTICULAR CLASS, THEY

HAD FREE READING TIME, AND

WHEN IT CAME TIME FOR KIDS

TO READ HIS BOOKS, HE PULLED

OUT HIS BIBLE AND BEGAN TO

READ HIS BIBLE.

HIS TEACHER ACTUALLY YELLED

AT HIM AND ORDERED HIM TO

STOP READING THAT BOOK IN

HER CLASSROOM.

AND SHE THEN CALLED THE

BOY'S PARENTS AND LEFT THIS

SCATHING VOICEMAIL ON THE

ANSWERING MACHINE, WHICH THE

PARENTS GLADLY GAVE ME A

COPY OF, WHICH EXPOSED THE

HATE AND VI VITRIOL AGAINST

YOUNG BOYS AND GIRLS.

Pat: WE HAD A CASE

WHERE JUSTICE BRENNEN HAD A

CLEAR STATEMENT THAT YOU

DIDN'T LOSE YOUR CHRISTIAN

RIGHTS WHEN YOU ENTERED A

SCHOOL HOUSE.

THAT CHILD HAD ABSOLUTE

RIGHT TO READ HIS OR HER

BIBLE ANY TIME.

NO QUESTION.

NOT AT ALL.

PAT, WHEN PRESIDENT OBAMA

WAS RUNNING FOR ELECTION FOR

THE FIRST TIME, HE TIPPED

HIS HAND.

HE TOLD US THE KIND OF

PERSON HE WAS.

HE WAS AT A FUNDRAISER IN

SAN FRANCISCO.

HE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THE

PEOPLE WHO CLING TO THEIR

GUNS AND THEIR RELIGION.

HE CALLED THEM "BITTER

CLINGERS."

I'M A GUN-TOTING, BIBLE

CLINGING SON OF A BAPTIST.

I'M NOT BITTER.

I'M BLESSED.

Pat: AND YOU'RE GOING

TO BLOW THOSE SUCKERS AWAY.

[LAUGHTER]

YOU KNOW, PAT, THIS GAVE

ME -- THROUGH WRITING THIS

BOOK, IT REALLY EXPOSES WHAT

IS HAPPENING IN THIS

COUNTRY.

IT IS SOMETHING YOU THAT

TALK ABOUT JUST ABOUT EVERY

DAY ON THIS PROGRAM.

THERE IS A WAR ON RELIGIOUS

LIBERTY.

THAT WAR IS BEING DIRECTED

TO PEOPLE UNDER THE

CHRISTIAN FAITH.

Pat: WHAT IS THE

ATTITUDE TOWARDS MUSLIMS?

WHAT CAN THEY DO?

IN THIS ADMINISTRATION,

WE HAVE SEEN TIME AND TIME

AGAIN WHERE THE ISLAMIC

FAITH HAS BEEN GIVEN

ACCOMMODATION, AND YET THE

CHRISTIAN FAITH HAS BEEN

MARGINALIZED.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT MILITARY

PERSONNEL RECEIVED ORDERS

THAT THEY WERE TO BE

ACCOMMODATING TO THEIR

FELLOW SOLDIERS WHO WERE

MARKING RAMADAN.

THEY WERE TOLD TO DRESS

CONSERVATIVELY, AND TO STUDY

UP ON THE FAITH.

AT THE SAME TIME, JUST

YESTERDAY, I WROTE A COLUMN

ABOUT THE NAVY, THE UNITED

STATES NAVY, ORDERING THAT

BIBLES BE REMOVED FROM

LODGES THAT ARE OWNED BY THE

NAVY, THAT ARE RUN BY THE

NAVY, SIMPLY BECAUSE TWO

ATHEISTS GOT OFFENDED WHEN

THEY SAW A BIBLE IN THEIR

HOTEL ROOM.

Pat: YOU'VE OBVIOUSLY

BEEN AWARE THAT THE F.B.I.

HAD TOOK OUT ABOUT A

THOUSAND PAGES OF ITS

TERRORIST TRAINING MANUALS

THAT DEALT WITH MUSLIMS.

THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO TALK

ABOUT MUSLIMS OR TERRORISM

OR THE WAR ON TERROR.

IT'S TRUE.

AT THE SAME TIME, I TELL A

STORY ABOUT HOW OUR

SOLDIERS, 17, 18,

19-YEAR-OLD KIDS, PAT, WERE

TAUGHT THAT EXAMPLES OF

RELIGIOUS EXTREMISM INCLUDE

EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANITY AND

ROMAN CATHOLICISM.

Pat: WAIT A MINUTE,

THEY SAY THAT IN THE

PENTAGON MANUAL?

THAT'S RIGHT.

WHEN WE CALLED THEM ON THE

CARPET ON THAT, THEY GO, OH,

THAT WAS JUST A MISTAKE.

WELL, THAT MISTAKE WAS

REPLICATED TIME AND TIME

AGAIN.

AND THESE SOLDIERS WERE ALSO

TAUGHT THAT GROUPS LIKE THE

AMERICAN FAMILY ASSOCIATION

AND THE FAMILY RESEARCH

COUNCIL ARE EXAMPLES OF THE

DOMESTIC HATE GROUPS.

I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR

THE AMERICAN TAXPAYERS, AND

ESPECIALLY CHRISTIANS, TO

STEP BACK AND ASK THEMSELVES

THIS QUESTION: WHY IS IT

THEY'RE TEACHING OUR

SOLDIERS THAT WHAT IS

HAPPENING AT THE LOCAL FIRST

BAPTIST CHURCH IS AN EXAMPLE

OF RELIGIOUS EXTREMISM?

Pat: I'M SHOCKED AT ALL

OF THIS.

WHILE WE'RE TALKING, THERE

ARE SO MANY EXAMPLES IN THIS

BOOK.

TEXAS RULED THAT THEY

COULDN'T WEAR GREEN OR RED

DURING CHRISTMAS.

TELL US ABOUT THAT.

IT'S CRAZY.

IT IS.

EVEN WITHIN OUR OWN MILL

MILITARY, OR WITHIN OUR V.A.

HOSPITALS, THERE WAS A GROUP

OF CHRISTIAN BOYS AND GIRLS

THAT WANTED TO COME AND SING

CHRISTMAS CAR ROLL CAROLS

AT A V.A. HOSPITAL.

THEY WERE GREETED BY A

GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL WHO

SAID, WE WERE LOVE FOR YOU

TO COME AND SING THESE

CHRISTMAS SONGS.

BUT HERE IS A LIST OF THE

APPROVED CHRISTMAS CAROLS.

OUR GOVERNMENT HAD NOTHING

BETTER TO DO THAN BRINGING A

LIST OF SONGS APPROPRIATE

FOR OUR SOLDIERS TO HEAR.

AND THE STUDENTS TURNED

AROUND AND WENT ELSEWHERE.

YES, THERE ARE MANY MOR

HORROR STORIES, BUT THERE IS

HOPE THAT PEOPLE ARE RISING

UP.

PEOPLE LIKE ROY, 18 YEARS

OLD, A GOOD OLD BAPTIST

KID.

HE HAD TO TURN IN HIS

GRADUATION SPEECH.

WHEN HE GOT IT BACK, ALL OF

THE REFERENCES TO JESUS AND

GOD WERE REDACTED.

YOU KNOW WHAT?

HE WENT AND PRAYED ABOUT

IT.

WHEN HE WENT UP TO DELIVER

THAT SPEECH, HE TOOK THE

GOVERNMENT-APPROVED SPEECH

AND TORE, AND LED AN ENTIRE

AUDIENCE IN "THE LORD'S

PRAYER," AN ACT OF CIVIL

DISOBEDIENCE IN SOUTH

CAROLINA.

Pat: THAT'S SOUTH

CAROLINA, THE BIBLE BELT.

YES.

Pat: ANYHOW, YOU WANT

TO GET MAD, GET SAD,

WHATEVER, I HOPE YOU'LL BE

HAPPY, BUT, IN ANY EVENT,

YOU READ THIS BOOK -- ARE WE

GOING TO HAVE A REVOLUTION?

YOU REMEMBER MILEY CYRUS

AND THAT HORRIBLE THING SHE

DID, THE TWERKING.

I GOT TO THINKING, I LIVE IN

THAT NEIGHBOURHOOD WHERE

THAT HAPPENED IN NEW YORK

CITY, I GOT TO THINKING, I

THINK A LOT OF US FEEL THE

SAME WAY.

I FEEL LIKE A "DUCK DYNASTY"

GUY LIVING IN A MILEY CYRUS

WORLD, WHERE RIGHT IS WRONG

AND WRONG IS RIGHT, AND

EVERYTHING IS TOPS

TOPSY-TURVY.

Pat: TODD, THANK YOU.

GOD BLESS YOU.

Terry: THE CULTURE WAR

ISN'T JUST AFFECTING OUR

COUNTRY, IT IS ALSO

AFFECTING OUR KIDS.

SO HOW CAN YOU RAISE THEM

WHILE THEY'RE BEING

BOMBARDED ON ALL SIDES.

MARY BETH HICKS EXPLAINS,

NEXT.

FECH

Terry: CHILDREN FACE

PROBLEMS THAT WE NEVER

MANAGED, FROM SEXTING TO

TWERKING, AND AN ONLINE

WORLD THAT BRINGS A

PERMANENT RECORD.

SO HOW CAN PARENTS HELP

THEIR KIDS NAVIGATE THESE

ISSUES?

WELL, WATCH THIS.

Reporter: RAISING KIDS

HAS NEVER BEEN A GREATER

CHALLENGE, ACCORDING TO MARY

BETH HICKS, THE NATIONALLY

SYNDICATED COLUMNIST SAYS

PARENTS HAVE ONE TOUGH JOB.

TODAY'S MOMS AND DADS HAVE

TO DEAL WITH SECURITY

QUESTIONS, LIKE HOW MUCH

PRIVACY THEY SHOULD ALLOW

THEIR CHILD IN CYBERSPACE.

AND THEY HAVE THE AGE OLD

QUESTIONS LIKE WHEN TO ALLOW

THEIR SON OR DAUGHTER TO

START DATING.

THESE UNCOMFORTABLE

DECISIONS OFTEN LEAD PARENTS

WONDERING WHAT TO DO.úH

MARY BETH WROTE "TEACHABLE

MOMENTS," TO HELP PARENTS

INSTILL FAITH INTO THEIR

CHILDREN IN A

MEDIA-SATURATED WORLD.

Terry: MARY BETH HICKS

IS HERE WITH US TO TALK

ABOUT THIS.

AND WE WELCOME TO "THE 700

CLUB" AS WE TALK ABOUT

TEACHABLE MOMENTS.

GREAT BOOK.

THANK YOU.

Terry: YOU USE A PHRASE

CALLED "GENERATION M.."

WHAT DO YOU MEAN ABOUT

THAT?

THE KAISER FOUNDATION

STUDIED THE WAY OUR

GENERATION USES MEDIA.

AND OUR KIDS WILL NEVER KNOW

LIFE WITHOUT, YOU KNOW,

COMPUTERS, AND

SMARTPHONES --

Terry: ALL OF THE

TECHNOLOGY.

EXACTLY.

Terry: HOW DO YOU

DEFINE A TEACHABLE MOMENT TO

A PARENT?

IT IS A PHRASE BORROWED

FROM EACH OTHERS.

EACEDUCATORS.

EDUCATORS WANT TO TAKE

ADVANTAGE OF THINGS THAT POP

UP TO TEACH ABOUT IT.

WE WANT TO DO THE SAME

THINGS IN OUR FAMILIES AND

LOOK FOR TIMES WE CAN TEACH

MORALITY AND CONSCIENCE.

THOSE ARE THINGS PARENTS

DON'T PAY AS MUCH ATTENTION

TO IT.

WE ARE QUICK TO PUT THE KIDS

IN CAMPS AND THINGS TO

AUGMENT THEIR EDUCATION, BUT

WE HAVE TO ALSO FOCUS ON

THEIR CHARACTER.

Terry: LET ME GIVE ONE

EXAMPLE SO WE CAN GIVE FOLKS

AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE SHARE

AND THE BOOK.

YOU SAY YOU OPEN YOU'RE

DAUGHTER'S Facebook PAGE

AND YOU ARE DISTRESSED ABOUT

A MESSAGE SHE IS HAVING WITH

HER FRIEND.

AND SHE SAYS YOU'RE TAKING

HER PRIVACY AWAY.

THEY THINK THEY HAVE

PRIVACY SETTINGS, BUT OUT IN

CYBERSPACE, THERE IS NO

PRIVACY.

THAT'S A GREAT THINGS KIDS

WILL DO, THEY'LL SAY YOU'RE

INVADING MY PRIVACY, WHEN IN

FACT YOU'RE PARENTING.

IF YOU'RE SUPERVISING YOUR

CHILD'S SOCIAL MEDIA, THOSE

ARE LESSONS YOU MUST TEACH

IN THE MOMENT.

Terry: IT SEEMS SO

PRACTICAL.

WHY DO WE, AS PARENTS, SEEM

SO CONFUSED ABOUT OUR ROLE

IN THIS?

I THINK IN OUR

GENERATION, PARENTS HAVE

LOST A CERTAIN SET OF SKILLS

IN OUR PARENTING.

Terry: THERE ARE MORE

BOOKS WRITTEN TODAY ABOUT IT

THAN EVER IN THE HISTORY OF

MANKIND.

I KNOW.

AND YET WE DON'T TRUST OUR

INSTINCTS, AND WE THINK WE

SHOULD HOLD BACK, BUT WE

SHOULD BE MOVING CLOSER TO

OUR KIDS THE OLDER THEY

GET.

Terry: DO YOU THINK

SOMETIMES AS PARENTS WE ARE

AFRAID IF WE'RE TOO STRICT

AND WE LAY DOWN THE LAW,

WE'LL LOSE THE

RELATIONSHIP?

YES.

AND I THINK MOST PARENTS ARE

MORE CONCERNED ABOUT OUR

HARMONY IN THE RELATIONSHIP,

BUT GOD DIDN'T PUT US HERE

ON THE EARTH TO BE OUR KIDS'

FRIENDS.

THEY SEEK THOSE BOUNDARIES,

AND THAT'S HOW THEY KNOW

WE'RE LOVING THEM.

Terry: YOU SAY YOU

BELIEVE THAT CHILDREN

DESERVE A CHANCE TO BUILD

REAL SKILLS, AND THAT'S A

BIG PART OF WHAT PARENTS ARE

SUPPOSED TO DO FOR THEIR

CHILDREN.

BUT THE WORLD HAS SO MUCH

TECHNOLOGY, AND NOW THERE IS

SO MUCH OPPORTUNITY OPEN TO

KID AT AN EARLIER AGE.

YOU DID SOMETHING

INTERESTING WITH YOUR

DAUGHTER WHEN SHE TURNED

14.

TALK ABOUT THAT.

WE BECOME THIS GENERATION

OF PARENTS WHO HOVER OVER

OUR KIDS, AND WE'RE AFRAID

TO LET THEM OUT OF OUR

SIGHT.

WE OFFERED OUR YOUNGEST

DAUGHTER TO VISIT HER SISTER

IN WASHINGTON, D.C. BY

HERSELF.

WE BOUGHT HER A PLANE

TICKETMENT AND SH TICKET.

AND SHE HAD HER CELL PHONE

AND SHE CAN READ SIGNS.

THAT'S THE KIND OF

EXPERIENCE THAT BROADENS

THEIR HORIZONS AND HELPS

THEM BUILD CONFIDENCE.

Terry: AND GIVE THEM A

CONFIDENCE IN THEIR

ABILITY.

WHICH IS SIGNIFICANT TO

EVERY YOUNG PERSON.

HOW MUCH INDEPENDENCE DO YOU

GIVE A CHILD WHEN IT COMES

TO DATING.

I THINK THIS IS THE REAL

LANDMINE MOMENT FOR MOST

PARENTS.

IT IS.

AND UNFORTUNATELY IN OUR

CULTURE, WE CREATED THIS

HYPER SEXUAL ATMOSPHERE,

WHERE THEY THINK THEY SHOULD

BE PAIRING OFF AT AN EARLY

AGE.

IN OUR HOME, IT IS SOMETHING

WE COMMUNICATE ABOUT VERY

EFFECTIVELY AND OPENLY.

AND WE TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT

DATING IS SOMETHING THAT IS

PART OF A NATURAL, NORMAL

GROWING UP EXPERIENCE.

BUT NOT SOMETHING THAT IS

TOO SERIOUS AT AN EARLY

AGE.

PARENTS HAVE TO

COMMUNICATE.

Terry: A BIG ISSUE,

LIKE DATING, REALLY WHAT

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE

BOOK "TEACHABLE MOMENTS,"

LEAD UP TO IT BEING MORE OF

A PREVIOUS CONVERSATION IF

YOU'RE UTILIZING THOSE KEY

MOMENTS.

YOU WROTE, "IN THE END

YOU'LL NEVER KNOW WHICH

MOMENTS MATTERED THE MOST IN

YOUR CHILD'S LIFE."

TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE

BIT.

I DELIVERED WHAT I

THOUGHT WERE BRILLIANT

MOMENTS, LECTURES IN THE

CARS WHEN THEY'RE LOCKED IN

AND THEY CAN'T LEAVE.

AND THOSE AREN'T THE THINGS

THEY WILL REMEMBER.

IT WILL COME BACK TO ME AND

THEY'LL SAY ONE TIME YOU

TOLD ME THIS THING, AND I

DIDN'T EVEN REMEMBER IT.

I WAS SIMPLY RESPONDING TO

THE MOMENT AT HAND AND DO MY

JOB AS A PARENT AND HONOR

THAT VOCATION FROM GOD.

AND THEY DO HEAR US AND

THEY'RE LISTENING.

Terry: WHEN DO YOU HOLD

TIGHT AND WHEN DO YOU LISTEN

TO THEIR SIDE OF THE COIN

AND GIVE A LITTLE BIT?

I THINK AS THEY GROW, I

THINK CHILDREN NEE NEED TO

KNOW THEY CAN NAVIGATE THE

WORLD ON THEIR OWN.

IF WE FOCUS ON THEIR

CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT, ON

THEIR CONSCIENCE AND GIVE

THEM THAT FAITH, THEY WILL

REALLY HAVE EVERYTHING THEY

NEED TO TACKLE THE ADULT

WORLD AT AN APPROPRIATE

TIME.

Terry: WELL, IT IS A

WONDERFUL BOOK, YOU HAVE

COVERED SO MANY THINGS I

THINK WILL BE HELPFUL TO

PEOPLE.

IF YOU WANT MORE GREAT

PARENTING TIPS, GET MARY

BETH HICKS' BOOK CALLED

"TEACHABLE MOMENTS," AND IT

IS AVAILABLE NATIONWIDE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING

HERE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

Terry: PAT?

Pat: WELL, I'VE HAD

FOUR CHILDREN, 14

GRANDCHILDREN, ABOUT FIVE OR

SIX GREAT-GRANDCHILDREN.

MAYBE I'LL LEARN SOONER OR

LATER.

STILL AHEAD, AN EYE WITNESS

ACCOUNT OF HELL.

THERE WERE DEMONS AND I

COULD HEAR STUFF.

I COULD HEAR SCREAMING.

IT WAS ALL RED AND BLACK.

"TURN AROUND, GET OUT OF

HER."

Pat: HEAR HOW HE MADE

IT OUT AND CAME OUT ALIVE,

AFTER THIS.

AND WELCOME BACK TO "THE

700 CLUB."

THE COUNTRY IS MOURNING THE

DEATH OF ACTOR AND COMEDIC

GENIUS ROBIN WILLIAMS AFTER

HE DIED ON MONDAY AT AGE

63.

HE HAD A LONG CAREER IN

HOLLYWOOD, STARTING IN THE

1970s AT AN ALIEN ON MORK

AND MINDY.

HE PLAYED BOTH COMEDIC AND

DRAMATIC ROLES IN FILMS AND

EVENTUALLY WON AN OSCAR.

BUT IN HIS PERSONAL LIFE, HE

STRUGGLED WITH DEPRESSION

AND ADDICTION.

JUST LAST MONTH HE ANNOUNCED

HE WAS RETURNING TO A

12-STEP PROGRAM FOR

TREATMENT.

A SPANISH MISSIONARY PRIEST

BEING TREATED FOR EBOLA DIED

IN MADRID TODAY.

THE HOSPITAL WOULD NOT

CONFIRM HE WAS BEING TREATED

WITH THE EXPERIMENTAL DRUG

FOR EBOLA THAT WAS GIVEN TO

THE TWO AMERICAN MEDICAL

MISSIONARIES.

BUT HIS ORDER SAID HE WOULD

BE.

HIS BODY WILL NOW BE

CREMATED TO AVOID PUBLIC

HEALTH RISKS.

REMEMBER YOU CAN ALWAYS GET

THE LATEST BY GOING TO OUR

WEBSITE, CBNNEWS.COM.

PAT AND TERRY WILL BE BACK

WITH MORE OF "THE 700 CLUB"

RIGHT AFTER THIS.

Pat: WELCOME BACK.

WHAT IS HELL?

THE BIBLE DESCRIBES HELL AS

A PLACE OF WEEPING AND

GNASHING OF TEETH.

IT IS A PLACE OF TORMENT.

IT'S A PLACE WHERE THE FIRE

NEVER GOES OUT AND THE WORM

NEVER DIES.

JORDAN SAMUEL HAS HIS OWN

WAY TO DESCRIBE HELL BECAUSE

ONE DAY NOT TOO LONG AGO

JORDAN ACTUALLY WENT THERE.

I WENT MY WHOLE LIFE NOT

BELIEVING THAT HELL WAS

REAL.

I SAID I DIDN'T WANT TO

BELIEVE IN ALL OF THAT DARK

STUFF.

THERE IS NO HELL -- THAT'S

WHAT I THOUGHT, BUT THERE IS

A HELL.

Reporter: JORDAN SAMUEL

BELIEVES THERE IS A HELL

BECAUSE HE BELIEVES HE HAS

BEEN THERE.

THERE IS CACKLING, LIKE

LAUGHING.

THERE WERE DEMONS AND I

COULD HEAR STUFF.

Reporter: EARLIER IN

HIS LIFE, HE NEVER BELIEVED

HELL EXISTED.

IF I LIVE MY LIFE AND DO

THE BEST I CAN, KARMA-WISE,

WHAT GOES AROUND COMES

AROUND, AND I'LL JUST BE THE

BEST MAN I COULD BE.

Reporter: HE GREW UP

WITH A SINGLE MOM AND WENT

TO A CATHOLIC SCHOOL.

HE WAS NATURALLY INQUISITIVE

AND ASKED A LOT OF QUESTIONS

ABOUT JESUS.

HOW COULD ONE MAN COME

AND JUST DIE FOR ME.

WHO IS THIS GUY?

Reporter: AND FOR THAT,

HE WAS KICKED OUT OF CLASS.

MY THIRD TIME GETTING

KICKED OUT OF CLASS, I

REMEMBER SAYING, YOU KNOW

WHAT?

I NEVER WANT TO KNOW THIS

JESUS GUY.

WHOEVER HE IS, HE GETS ME IN

TROUBLE.

AND NO ONE WANTS TO GIVE ME

ANSWERS ABOUT IT, AND THIS

IS HOW PEOPLE TREAT ME, I

DON'T WANT TO KNOW.

Reporter: HIS MOM

MARRIED, AND FOR THE NEXT 15

YEARS, JORDAN SAYS HIS

FAMILY LIFE WAS GREAT.

THEN HIS MOM AND STEPDAD

DIVORCED.

JORDAN WAS DEVASTATED.

THE ONLY WAY HE KNEW HOW TO

DEAL WITH THE PAIN WAS TO

REBEL.

SO WHETHER I WAS DRINKING

AND DRIVING WITH BUDDIES,

UNDER AGED DRIVING AND

HAVING THE THRILL OF ALMOST

HAVING SOMEONE CATCH ME, BUT

NOT QUITE.

Reporter: FOR THE NEXT

FOUR YEARS, JORDAN CONTINUED

HIS RECKLESS BEHAVIOR.

BUT HE WANTED TO TURN HIS

LIFE AROUND, SO HE STOPPED

SELLING DRUGS AND STARTED

WORKING FOR AN OIL RIG

COMPANY.

I WAS MAKING REALLY GOOD

MONEY.

Reporter: AFTER WORK

ONE DAY, JORDAN DECIDED TO

SMOKE SOME POT.

HE DIDN'T KNOW THE PIPE HE

USED WAS LACED WITH CRACK

COCAINE.

SOMETHING HE HAD NEVER DONE

BEFORE.

JORDAN WAS SURE HE WAS

DYING.

I COULD FEEL MY HEART

GOING BOOP, BOOP, BOOP,

BOOP, AND THEN THIS

FLUTTERING.

Reporter: JORDAN

BELIEVED IN THAT MOMENT HE

WENT TO HELL.

ALL THESE WOMEN, AND ALL

OF THE THINGS YOU THINK YOU

WANT IN THE WORLD, MONEY,

CARS, SUCCESS, ALL OF THESE

THINGS, AND I WAS JUST

LOVING IT, AND ALL OF A

SUDDEN THIS CAR BROKE DOWN.

ALL OF A SUDDEN THESE WOMEN

TURNED TO HUGE, HUGE

DEMONS.

AND THE EARTH QAIKD,

EARTHQUAKED -- AND I COULD

HEAR SCREAMING.

IT IS ALL RED AND BLACK.

"TURN AROUND!

GET OUT OF HERE."

THERE WERE PEOPLE THAT WERE

JUST BURNING.

IT WAS THE WORST.

I REMEMBER BEING AFRAID,

GRIPPING THE STEERING

WHEEL.

AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WAS

PFFFFF! BACK TO MY BODY.

Reporter: AS JORDAN WAS

TAKING WHAT HE THOUGHT WAS

HIS LAST BREATH, HE MADE A

DECLARATION OF FAITH TO

GOD.

AND MY HEART WENT

PFFFFF!, LIKE THE LAST

BEEP.

I DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT ALL OF

A SUDDEN I SAID, I BELIEVE.

AND BOOM, I'M GONE.

Reporter: THAT'S WHEN

JORDAN SAID JESUS PULLED HIM

OUT OF HELL AND TOOK HIM TO

HEAVEN.

HE WAS ALL IN WHITE.

HE WAS IN A ROBE WHEN I SAW

HIM.

AND HE LOOKED AT ME AND

WEARS A CROWN ON HIS HEAD.

HIS EYES ARE FIERCE, LIKE

FIRE, BUT THERE IS NO, LIKE,

COLOR.

THEY'RE BRIGHT.

IT IS JUST AMAZING.

YOU'RE AT HIS FEET.

YOU'RE AT THE LORD'S FEET

BECAUSE HE IS JUST PERFECT.

YOU WORSHIP HIM BECAUSE HE

IS THE ALMIGHTY.

YOU WORSHIP HIM BECAUSE HE

SAVED US.

Reporter: THEN JORDAN

BELIEVED HE WAS STANDING

BEFORE GOD.

THE LORD WENT TO THE

RIGHT HAND OF THE FATHER.

I BEGAN TO GET JUDGED BY THE

FATHER, AND IT WAS THE

WORST.

WHAT HAPPENED IS HE PLAYED

SECRETS IN MY HEART THAT I

ONLY KNEW I EVER DID, THAT I

THOUGHT NO ONE KNEW.

I COULD FEEL WHAT GOD FELT.

AND I SAID, LORD, FORGIVE

ME.

IT WAS THE WORST FEELING.

AND HE JUST COMES IN AND HE

HUGS AND YOU SAYS, ALL IS

FORGIVEN.

MY OLD HEART WAS BROKEN.

MY OLD HEART NEEDED FIXING.

AND GOD GAVE ME A NEW

HEART.

ALL OF A SUDDEN HE TOLD ME

HE LOVED ME, THAT I'M NOT

ALONE, THAT I'VE NEVER BEEN

ALONE.

HE SHOWED ME ALL OF THE

TIMES IN MY LIFE WHERE I

THOUGHT AWE I WAS LUCKY,

BUT HOW HIS HAND WAS ALWAYS

UPON ME AND HE WAS ALWAYS

PURSUING ME NON-STOP.

HE HUGGED ME AGAIN AND TOLD

ME HE LOVED ME.

AND ALL OF A SUDDEN I'M BACK

IN MY TRAILER ROOM.

I GRABBED MY BIBLE.

I OPENED UP THE BIBLE.

THE FIRST THING I READ IS

PSALM 34, THE HAPPINESS OF

THOSE WHO TRUST IN GOD.

ONLY GOD CAN DO THAT.

Reporter: JORDAN SHARED

HIS JOURNEY TO HEAVEN AND

HELL WITH HIS GIRLFRIEND,

DANICA.

HIS VOICE CHANGED.

HIS EYES CHANGED.

HIS BODY LANGUAGE CHANGED.

EVERYTHING ABOUT HIM WAS

NEW.

SO THERE WAS NO DOUBTING HE

HAD HAD THE EXPERIENCE THAT

HE DID.

MY MOUTH, MY WORDS,

SWEARING, EVERYTHING

WAS, LIKE, CLEANSED.

I WAS DELIVERED FROM ANY

ADDICTION I HAD.

Reporter: TODAY JORDAN

AND DANICA ARE MARRIED WITH

TWO CHILDREN.

THEY ARE MISSIONARIES

PREACHING THE GOSPEL AROUND

THE WORLD.

THEY'RE LETTING EVERYONE

KNOW JESUS IS REAL AND HE

CAN CHANGE THE MOST HARDENED

HEART WITH HIS LOVE.

GOD LOVES THE BROKEN AND

LOVES THE LOSTMEN LOST.

HE DOESN'T GIVE UP ON THEM.

HE LEAVES THE FLOCK TO ONE

TH FIND THE ONE, AND HE

DID.

Pat: TURN AROUND, GET

OUT OF HERE.

BLACK, RED FIRE.

DO YOU REALIZE THAT IF YOU

ARE IN HELL THERE IS TORMENT

THAT NEVER ENDS.

A PERSON IN HELL CAN'T DIE.

THERE IS NO DEATH.

IT GOES ON AND ON AND ON AND

ON AND ON AND ON.

THERE IS NO SUNDAY.

THERE IS NO WEEKEND.

THERE IS NO DAY OFF.

JUST TORTURE AND TORMENT

FOREVER AND EVER AND EVER,

FOREVER.

NOW, THAT'S HORRIBLE.

FORTUNATELY FOR JORDAN, HE

CRIED OUT TO THE NAME OF THE

LORD AND HE WAS SET FREE.

YOU WHO ARE WATCHING ME

RIGHT NOW, YOU DON'T WANT TO

GO TO HELL.

YOU JUST DON'T WANT TO DO

IT.

YOU DON'T WANT TO SPEND

ETERNITY IN TORMENT.

AND RIGHT NOW THERE IS THE

WAY AND THE TRUTH AND THE

LIFE FOUND IN JESUS.

I AM THE WAY.

THERE IS NO OTHER WAY

BESIDES HIM.

AND IF YOU WANT TO BE SET

FREE, IF YOU WANT TO BE

SAVED, I WANT YOU TO PRAY

WITH ME THIS PRAYER, AND HE

WILL HEAR AND HE WILL

ANSWER.

SO WHEREVER YOU ARE, BOW

YOUR HEAD AND PRAY WITH ME.

RIGHT NOW, DO IT.

DO IT NOW.

LORD JESUS -- PRAY WITH ME.

LORD JESUS, AT THIS MOMENT I

SURRENDER TO YOU.

I RECEIVE YOU AS MY SAVIOR.

I MAKE YOU THE LORD OF MY

LIFE.

COME IN, LORD.

LIVE IN MY HEART.

TAKE ME TO HEAVEN.

AND KEEP ME FROM HELL.

IN JESUS' NAME.

AMEN.

IF YOU PRAYED WITH ME, I

WANT TO GIVE YOU SOMETHING

REAL QUICK.

I WANT YOU TO CALL,

1-800-759-0700.

IT'S CALLED "A NEW DAY," AND

I'LL GIVE IT TO YOU.

THE PHONES ARE AVAILABLE,

EVEN THOUGH THE PROGRAM WILL

NOT BE ON THE AIR IN 30

SECONDS.

PLEASE CALL.

I WANT TO LEAVE YOU WITH

THIS POWER MINUTE FROM

ISAIAH 58: "THE LORD WILL

GUIDE YOU CONTINUALLY AND

SATISFY YOU'RE SOUL IN

DROUGHT AND STRENGTHEN YOUR

BONES.

YOU SHALL BE LIKE A WATER

GARDEN AND LIKE A SPRING OF

WATER, WHO'S WATERS DO NOT

FAIL."

THAT'S ALL OF THE TIME WE'VE

GOT.

WE'LL SEE YOU TOMORROW.

BYE-BYE.

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