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700 Club Interactive: Freedom Behind Bars – May 27, 2015

The chaplain from San Quentin talks about playing chess with Charles Manson, negotiating truces between gangs, and bearing witness for the final thoughts of death row inmates. Read Transcript


Andrew: HEAR TRUE

STORIES FROM AMERICA'S MOST

NOTORIOUS PRISON, FROM THE

MAN KNOWN AS DEATH-ROW

CHAPLAIN.

ON TODAY'S "700 CLUB

INTERACTIVE."

WELCOME TO THE SHOW.

IT'S ONE OF THE MOST

MYSTERIOUS AND MISUNDERSTOOD

PLACES ON THE PLANET: THE

MAXIMUM SECURITY PRISON.

AND WITHIN THE WALLS OF SAN

QUENTIN LIVES AN EVEN MORE

MENACING PLACE, DEATH ROW.

Terry: REVEREND EARL

SPENT MOST OF HIS LIFE IN

SAN QUENTIN AS A CHAPLAIN.

MURDERERS, DRUG DEALERS,

THESE MEN BECAME HIS

FRIENDS.

HE FOUND GRACE AND MERCY WAS

ALIVE AND WELL EVEN BEHIND

BARS.

Reporter: EARL SMITH

WAS CHAPLAIN AT SAN

QUENTIN.

FOR OVER TWO DECADES, HE

PRAYED WITH DOZENS OF

DEATH-ROW INMATES T.

TO MAKE A POSITIVE INTEREST,

EARL STARTED A BASEBALL TEAM

AND A CHOIR, AND HE EVEN

PLAYED CHESS WITH CHARLES

MANSON.

IN HIS BOOK, "DEATH-ROW

CHAPLAIN," EARL SHARES THESE

AND OTHER STORIES ABOUT

BRINGING HOPE INSIDE THE

WALLS OF WHAT SOME HAVE

CALLED THE MOST FRIGHTENING

PLACE ON EARTH.

Andrew: I WOULD LIKE TO

WELCOME MY FRIEND, EARL

SMITH, TO "700 CLUB

INTERACTIVE."

HOW ARE YOU, BUDDY?

I'M DOING WELL.

HOW ARE YOU?

Andrew: I WENT OUT TO SAN

QUENTIN TO DO AN INTERVIEW

WITH YOU, AND LATER WE'RE

GETTING SOME FOOTAGE, AND

I'M WALKING IN THE PRISON

AND I LOOKED UP, AND YOU

WERE NOWHERE TO BE FOUND.

I WAS OUT THERE PRETTY MUCH

BY MYSELF.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS

INTENTIONAL OR WHAT?

I THINK I WAS OFF PLAYING

BASKETBALL.

Andrew: I THINK YOU

WERE OFF SHOOTING HOOPS.

AND WATCHING YOU INTERACT

WITH THE GUYS, THEY REALLY,

REALLY LOVED YOU.

HOW DID YOU GET THAT BOND

WITH THE GUYS AT SAN

QUENTIN?

PROBABLY BECAUSE I PLAYED

SPOTS WITH THEM.

I FIGURE OUT IF YOU'RE IN

THE CHAPLAIN, YOU'RE

PROBABLY IN THE WRONG

LOCATION.

YOU SHOULD BE WHERE THE GUYS

ARE.

AND IF YOU'RE OUT WHERE THEY

ARE, YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT

THEY DO.

Andrew: A LOT OF PEOPLE

SAID YOU WOULD END UP AT SAN

QUENTIN, BUT AS AN INMATE.

YOU WERE SHOT SIX TIMES, AND

LIVED TO TELL ABOUT IT.

WHAT HAPPENED?

GANG MEMBER, DRUG DEALER,

AND IN THE PROCESS OF THAT,

A GUY OWED ME SOME MONEY.

I TOLD HIM -- HE DIDN'T PAY,

SO I DECIDED I WAS GOING TO

DO SOMETHING TO HIM.

HE GOT A GUN AND GAVE IT TO

SOMEONE AND TOLD A GUY TO

KILL ME.

THEY CAME TO MY HOUSE, AND

THE GUY SHOT ME SIX TIMES

AND LEFT HE FOR DEAD.

I WENT TO THE HOSPITAL, AND

WHILE I WAS IN THE HOSPITAL,

MY DAD CAME.

AND HE ASKED THE DOCTOR, HOW

BAD WAS IT.

AND THE DOCTOR SAID I WAS

GOING TO DIE.

MY DAD GRABBED HIM, AND I'M

ON THE GURNEY, AND HE SAID,

YOU BETTER DO WHAT YOU DO

BEST, AND I'LL DO WHAT I DO

BEST.

AND WHILE I WAS THERE, GOD

SAID, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO

DIE.

I HAVE SOMETHING FOR YOU TO

DO.

AND IT WAS TO BE A CHAPLAIN

AT SAN QUENTIN.

AND I SAID, IF I TELL YOU

WHERE THE BULLETS ARE, WOULD

THAT HELP?

AND WHERE I POINTED, THE

BLEEDING STOPPED, AND THREE

DAYS LATER, I LEFT THE

HOSPITAL.

Andrew: YOU HEARD THE

VOICE OF GOD TELL YOU YOU'RE

GOING TO BE CHAPLAIN AT SAN

QUENTIN?

CLEARLY.

AND MY PASTOR, WHO IS ALSO

MY FATHER-IN-LAW NOW, SAID,

OKAY, WHAT DID GOD TELL

YOU?

AND I SAID, THE ONLY THING

HE TOLD ME I WOULD BE A

CHAPLAIN AND SAN QUENTIN.

Andrew: YOU'RE IN YOUR

LATE 20s, AND YOU'RE AT

SAN QUENTIN AS A CHAPLAIN.

TELL US ABOUT THE AMAZING

ENCOUNTER YOU HAD WITH

SOMEONE FROM YOUR PAST.

IN '83 I WAS IN SAN

CHAPLAIN, AND IN DECEMBER WE

HAD AN AREA WE WERE GIVING

CHRISTMAS CARDS TO.

AND I HAD THE SECOND TIER.

AND I'M WALKING DOWN THE

TIER, AND AS I GET TO THE

CERTAIN CELL, I LOOK IN AND

IT IS THIS GUY.

I HADN'T SEEN HIM -- ONLY

TWICE IN MY LIFE.

THE NIGHT HE SHOT ME, AND

THE DAY WE WENT TO COURT.

I DIDN'T TESTIFY AGAINST HIM

BECAUSE I WANTED HIM ON THE

STREETS SO I COULD KILL

HIM.

AND HERE HE WAS.

HE WAS IN THIS CELL.

I LOOKED AT HIM, AND I SAID,

WHAT'S YOUR NAME?

AND HE TOLD ME HIS NAME.

AND HE STEPPED AWAY.

AND I REALIZED THAT I DIDN'T

FORGIVE HIM.

I REALIZED THAT I STILL FELT

THE SAME PAIN.

AND I WALKED AWAY FROM THE

CELL ASKING GOD, WHY DID YOU

BRING ME BACK TO THIS PLACE

TO MAKE ME SEE HIM.

IF I WANTED TO HAVE HIM

KILLED, WHY DIDN'T YOU JUST

LET ME DO IT?

WHY NOW?

AS I WALKED BY THE TIER, I

HAD TO PASS HIM, AND THAT'S

THE BLESSING OF GOD.

SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO PASS BY

THE THINGS THAT ARE

TROUBLING US.

AS I WALKED BY HIS CELL, I

LOOKED IN AT HIM.

I SAID, I NEED TO TELL YOU

SOMETHING.

I NEED TO THANK YOU BECAUSE

GOD USED YOU TO GET TO ME.

IT WAS THE HARDEST WORDS I

SAID, BUT AT THE SAME TIME,

THERE WAS UNBELIEVABLE

PEACE.

THE SAME PEACE I FELT THAT

NIGHT ON THE GURNEY WHEN THE

VOICE OF THE LORD SAYS,

YOU'RE GOING TO BE A

CHAPLAIN.

Andrew: HOW DID HE

RECEIVE THAT, THIS GENTLEMAN

YOU FORGAVE?

HE WROTE A LETTER TO THE

WARDEN THAT NIGHT SAYING

YOU'VE GOT TO GET ME OUT OF

THE PRISON BECAUSE THE

CHAPLAIN IS GOING TO HAVE ME

KILLED.

HE WROTE THAT LETTER BECAUSE

HE REMEMBERED WHAT I USED TO

BE LIKE, AND HE COULDN'T

BELIEVE I WAS CHANGED.

THEY CALLED ME IN AND THEY

SAID, WE HAVE A LETTER FROM

AN INMATE WHO SHOT YOU AND

SAID YOU'LL KILL HIM.

THEY COULD RELEASE ME FROM

WORKING, I WAS PROBATION.

GO HOME, YOU'RE NOT HIRED.

BUT I SAID, MR. JACKSON, HE

IS THE SAFEST PLACE HE WILL

EVER BE.

AND MR. JACKSON HAD HIS

TRANSPORTED TO ANOTHER

PRISON SO I COULD STAY THERE

AND WORK.

Andrew: HERE IS ONE OF

THE AMAZING THINGS OF YOUR

LIFE, YOU HAVE BEEN THE

CHAPLAIN FOR THE SAN

FRANCISCO 49ers CURRENTLY,

AND THE WARRIORS CURRENTLY,

AND YOU SPEND SOME DAYS

PREPARING MEN FOR EXECUTION,

AND DAYS LATER YOU'RE WITH

MILLIONAIRE ATHLETES, MEN

WITH TOTALLY DIFFERENT

CHALLENGES.

HOW DO YOU RELATE TO BOTH

PRISONER AND EXCEPTIONAL

ATHLETE?

STRESS IS STRESS.

PRESSURE IS PRESSURE.

GUYS WHO ARE PROFESSIONAL

BASKETBALL PLAYERS OR

BASEBALL PLAYERS OR FOOTBALL

PLAYERS, IN MANY CASES THEY

COME FROM THE SAME AREAS AS

GUYS IN PRISON.

THERE IS A SEPARATION.

SOME OF THE BEST ATHLETES IN

THE WORLD ARE IN PRISON.

AND IF YOU ASK MOST

PROFESSIONAL ATHLETES,

THEY'LL TELL YOU SOMEONE WHO

IS BETTER THAN THEM THAT IS

IN PRISON THAT DIDN'T MAKE

IT.

AND THERE IS A DIFFERENCE.

AND SO FOR ME TO RELATE, I

HAVE TO FIND OUT WHAT WAS

THE DIFFERENCE.

WHAT ABOUT YOU MADE YOU

SUCCEED WHEN SOMEONE ELSE

DIDN'T?

AND ALSO I TELL PEOPLE, TO

GET TO PRISON, YOU'RE

SOMEWHAT OF A SUCCESS

BECAUSE THERE IS ALL OF

THESE ROADBLOCKS ALONG THE

WAY, AND THERE ARE STOP

SIGNS.

AND YOU KEEP RUNNING THEM TO

GET TO THAT PLACE.

Andrew: YOU SPENT DAY

AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AT SAN

QUENTIN BY CHOICE, AND THE

PRISONERS OBVIOUSLY DON'T

HAVE THAT CHOICE.

WERE THERE DAYS WHEN YOU

SAID IT IS TOO ROUGH AND

DARK IN HERE, AND I WANT

OUT.

I THINK THE DAY I FELT

THAT THE MOST IS THE DAY

WHEN A GUY NAMED TANK DIED

IN MY ARMS.

THAT'S WHEN I RETIRED.

THERE WERE DAYS, YOU KNOW,

THE EXECUTIONS, WHEN YOU

START ASKING, WHAT IS REALLY

IMPORTANT, GOD?

WHAT'S GOING ON?

WHY AM I HERE?

I DON'T WANT TO SEE ANYONE

DIE.

I DON'T WANT TO SEE THE PAIN

ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

I DON'T WANT TO HAVE

NIGHTMARES ABOUT WHAT I'VE

SEEN.

BUT IT WAS WHEN TANK DIED.

BECAUSE ONE OF THE

M.T.A.s, HE'S IN MY ARMS.

AND HE WAS IN THE BATHROOM,

NEXT TO MY OFFICE, AND HE

SAID, CHAP, HELP ME.

I CAME OUT TO HIM AND HE

GRABBED ME.

HE COLLAPSED IN MY ARMS.

HIS LAST WORDS WERE CHAP,

DON'T LEAVE ME.

AND I'M HOLDING HIM, AND THE

M.T.A. COMES BY AND SAID YOU

JUST TOOK SOMEBODY'S BAD

DOPE.

HE'LL BE OKAY.

I REALIZED, HE HADN'T JUST

TAKEN SOMEBODY'S BAD DOPE.

THE GUY HAD AN ANEURYSM AND

HE WAS SICK.

I HAD TO ASK MYSELF, WHAT

WAS THE VALUE IN WHAT I WAS

DOING IF THAT IS HOW THEY

VIEWED THESE GUYS?

Andrew: YOU ALSO

BROUGHT GREAT HOPE, THOUGH.

YOU STARTED A BASEBALL

TEAM?

MY FAVORITE SPORT.

Andrew: YOU STARTED A

CHOIR THERE.

YOU BROUGHT HOPE TO A LOT OF

MEN OVER THE YEARS.

AND IN SUCH A DARK PLACE,

WITH SO MUCH RACISM AND

VIOLENCE, IT HAD TO WEAR ON

YOU PERSONALLY.

DID YOU HAVE SOMEONE IN YOUR

LIFE YOU COULD GO TO FOR

HELP?

I HAD TWO.

I HAD MY FATHER, WHO IS MY

BEST FRIEND, AND HE WAS

ALWAYS SOMEONE I COULD TALK

TO AND CONFIDE IN AND

SHARE.

AND I HAD MY PASTOR, DONALD

GREEN, WHO ALSO CAME INTO

THE PRISON EVERY THURSDAY

AND MINISTERED WITH ME.

HE WASN'T JUST THE PASTOR OF

A LARGE CHURCH, BUT HE CAME

IN AND DID MINISTRY IN THE

PRISON.

SO THOSE TWO MEN WERE

PROBABLY MOST INFLUENTIAL IN

MY LIFE.

Andrew: EARL, WE THANK

YOU FOR BEING HERE.

THE BOOK IS CALLED

"DEATH-ROW CHAPLAIN."

I ENCOURAGE YOU TO PICK UP A

COPY.

IT IS A PHENOMENAL READ.

WE'RE GOING TO GO OVER TO

TERRY NOW.

Terry: A TEENAGED GIRL

LEAVES HOME FOR SIX MONTHS

AND RETURNS WITH A NEW

HEART.

SEE HOW YOU WERE THE ANSWER

TO THIS FAMILY'S PRAYERS

WHEN WE COME BACK.

Terry: RELIEF GROUPS

FROM AROUND THE WORLD ARE

WORKING TOGETHER TO HELP

SURVIVORS OF THE RECENT

EARTHQUAKE IN NEPAL.

BUT CBN WAS THERE LONG

BEFORE THE EARTHQUAKE,

HELPING PEOPLE LIKE

13-YEAR-OLD KRISHNA IN A

PART OF NEPAL WHERE MOST

PEOPLE HAVE NEVER SEEN A

DOCTOR.

HIGH IN THE MOUNTAINS OF

NORTHWEST NEPAL IS A LAND

THAT TIME HAS FORGOTTEN.

MOST PEOPLE IN THE HUMLA

DISTRICT HAVE NO RUNNING

WATER, ELECTRICITY, OR

DOCTORS.

IT WAS ESPECIALLY HARD FOR

13-YEAR-OLD KRISHNA.

SHE SUFFERED EVERY DAY NOT

KNOWING SHE HAD HEART

PROBLEMS.

Through Translator: I

COULDN'T WALK OR FETCH

WATER.

I FEEL WEAK.

IT IS DIFFICULT TO WORK.

I CANNOT DIG IN THE FIELD.

Terry: LIKE MOST PEOPLE

IN LIA THERE VILLAGE,

KRISHNA AND HER FAMILY WERE

HINDU.

THEN THEY LEARNED ABOUT

JESUS CHRIST BY READING A

GOSPEL TRACT.

MY FATHER BECAME A

BELIEVER, AND LATER I ALSO

BECAME A BELIEVER.

Terry: THEIR FAITH IN

JESUS INFURIATED THEIR

NEIGHBORS.

THEY ASKED US, WHAT WILL

YOU GET BY BELIEVING?

AND THEN THEY TOLD US TO

LEAVE THE VILLAGE.

Terry: BUT THE FAMILY

STOOD THEIR GROUND.

WE ASKED FOR GOD FOR

HELP, AND WE PRAYED THEY

WOULD ALSO BELIEVE IN YOU.

Terry: A DOCTOR IN A

NEARBY VILLAGE SAID SHE

NEEDED OPEN-HEART SURGERY.

I PRAYED, FATHER GOD,

PLEASE HELP ME.

PLEASE PROVIDE FOR ME.

SAVE MY LIFE.

Terry: THEN THEIR

PASTOR HEARD ABOUT CBN AND

CALLED US.

WE CAME TO KRISHNA'S HOME

AND TOLD HER CBN WOULD PAY

FOR HER SURGERY AT A

HOSPITAL IN KATHMANDU.

BUT THAT MEANT KRISHNA WOULD

HAVE TO LEAVE HER HOME AND

FAMILY BEHIND.

WHEN KRISHNA AND THE CBN

TEAM ARRIVED AT THE

HOSPITAL, DOCTORS TOLD HER

SHE MADE IT JUST IN TIME.

THE SURGERY WAS A SUCCESS.

KRISHNA WAS TOLD SHE WOULD

HAVE TO LIVE IN KATHMANDU

FOR ONGOING MEDICAL

TREATMENTS AND BETTER LIVING

CONDITIONS.

SO A CHRISTIAN FAMILY THERE

WELCOMED HER AS PART OF

THEIR FAMILY.

SIX MONTHS LATER, KRISHNA

WENT HOME FOR A VISIT.

SHE HAS GOTTEN BETTER.

HER FACE HAS COLOR AND SHE

LOOKS HEALTHY.

Terry: KRISHNA AND HER

FAMILY GAVE ALL OF THE GLORY

TO JESUS CHRIST.

GOD IS GREAT AND HIGH

ABOVE EVERYTHING ELSE.

Terry: AND SOME OF

THOSE WHO PERSECUTED THEM

NOW GATHER AT THEIR HOME TO

PRAISE AND WORSHIP THE ONE

TRUE GOD.

ALL OF YOU PRAYED FOR ME,

AND THE MONEY FOR MY

OPERATION WAS RAISED.

I WANT TO THANK ALL OF THE

PEOPLE OF GOD.

Terry: IT'S AMAZING TO

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NOT ONLY IS HER FAMILY NOW

WORSHIPPING THE LORD, NOT

ONLY ARE HER VILLAGERS NOW

WORSHIPPING THE LORD, THE

STORY OF KRISHNA IS STILL

LEFT OPEN-ENDED BECAUSE GOD

HAS SOMETHING AMAZING

PLANNED FOR HER LIFE.

AND SHE HAS YET TO WALK INTO

THAT PLACE.

BUT SHE IS IN THE PROCESS.

AND WE WANT TO SAY THANK

YOU.

YOU SAVED HER LIFE.

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> UP NEXT, HE WASN'T EVEN

AT THE SCENE OF THE CRIME,

BUT THE POLICE CAME LOOKING

FOR HIM.

THEY ARRESTED ME AND TOLD

ME I WAS CHARGED WITH

CAPITOL MURDER.

I WAS SEEN AS THE MASTERMIND

BEHIND IT ALL.

Terry: HOW THIS

INNOCENT MAN FOUND FREEDOM

BEHIND BARS.

THAT'S COMING UP.

Andrew: PATRICK RENSHER

WAS A HIGH SCHOOL SENIOR AND

FACING THE DEATH PENALTY.

A SECURITY GUARD HAD BEEN

KILLED, SHOT IN COLD BLOOD.

THERE WAS JUST ONE PROBLEM:

PATRICK WAS NOWHERE NEAR THE

SCENE OF THE CRIME.

A FELONY MURDER IS A

FELONY IF SOMEONE IS KILLED,

BUT IT WASN'T THE INTENT.

I JOINED A GANG AT 15.

I HAD GOTTEN INTO SELLING

DRUGS.

AND WE ONLY SOLD A LITTLE

BIT HERE AND THERE.

AND I WANTED TO MAKE MORE

MONEY.

SO I TALKED TO HIM ABOUT

DOING SOME ROBBERIES.

BECAUSE I HAD WORKED AT THE

PLACE BEFORE, THAT'S WHY I

DIDN'T GO WITH THEM.

I JUST TALKED WITH THEM

ABOUT THE PLANNING OF IT.

AND THEY WENT AND PULLED IT

OFF.

WELL, A MAN'S LIFE WAS

TAKEN.

I WASN'T WITH THEM WHEN THEY

COMMITTED IT.

THEY DID IT, AND I WASN'T

EVEN THERE.

SO I WAS THINKING, IT'S ALL

ON THEM.

I WAS AT SCHOOL THE DAY

BEFORE THANKSGIVING.

AND THE VICE PRINCIPLE CAME

TO THE CLASSROOM AND ASKED

THE TEACHER, CAN HE SPEAK

WITH ME.

AND WHEN I STEPPED OUTSIDE

THE DOOR, THERE WERE THREE

POLICE OFFICERS THERE AND

THEY ARRESTED ME AND TOLD ME

I WAS CHARGED WITH CAPITOL

MURDER.

I WAS PINNED AS THE

MASTERMIND BEHIND IT ALL.

THE PENALTY FOR THAT IS LIFE

WITHOUT PAROLE OR THE DEATH

PENALTY.

AND I WAS 17 YEARS OLD.

AND I'M SCARED NOW.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO

HAPPEN NOW.

AND IT SEEMED THAT THE WORLD

HAD MORE TO OFFER, WHICH WAS

JUST AN ILLUSION.

I TOLD GOD, I KNOW I NEED TO

GET SAVED.

I KNOW I NEED JESUS IN MY

LIFE.

IT WAS MY FIRST NIGHT IN

JAIL, SO I JUST TALKED TO

GOD.

I SAID, I KNOW I MESSED UP.

IF YOU'LL GET ME OUT OF

THIS, I'LL SERVE YOU THE

REST OF MY LIFE.

GOING TO TRIAL, THE JUDGE

GAVE THE JURY THREE CHARGES

THEY COULD CONVICT ME OF.

AND I WAS CONVICTED OF

FELONY MURDER.

WHICH NORMALLY CARRIES A

LIFE SENTENCE, BUT I HAD A

CHANCE OF PAROLE ONE DAY.

THE JUDGE TOLD ME, GOD HAD

MERCY ON YOU.

THERE WAS A REAL CHANGE IN

MY HEART.

I WAS A NEW CREATURE, LIKE

THE SCRIPTURE SAYS.

IT WASN'T HARD FOR ME TO

STEP AWAY AND LEAVE THAT

GANG LIFE ALONE.

OPENING THE SCRIPTURES UP

AFTER THAT, HE GRADUALLY

CONTINUED TO CHANGE ME AND

CHANGE ME.

AND SO THE PRAYER CHANGED

FROM, IF YOU GET ME OUT OF

THIS, I'LL SERVE YOU THE

REST OF MY LIFE, TO WILL I

EVER GET OUT OF HERE?

NOT, I'M GOING TO SERVE YOU

THE REST OF MY LIFE.

I BEGAN TO SPEAK THAT WORD

OVER MYSELF.

THAT I AM A NEW CREATURE.

THE GUY THEY ARRESTED IS NOT

ME.

HE IS DEAD.

HE IS GONE.

WELL, THEY HAVE SCHOOL

INSIDE.

SO I GOT MY G.E.D. FIRST,

AND LATER I ENROLLED IN A

DATA PROCESSING CLASS.

SO I GOT A ASSOCIATE'S

DEGREE IN DATA PROCESSING.

BECAUSE OF THAT, I WAS ABLE

TO GET BETTER JOBS IN THE

PRISON.

I WAS ABLE TO WORK FOR ONE

OF THE CHAPLAINS.

AS TIME WENT ON, I FOUND THE

SCRIPTURES LIKE PSALMS 136:

7, THE LORD LOOSENS THE

PRISONERS.

AND I WAS LIKE, I'M GOING

HOME.

DESPITE THE TIME I HAD, I

BELIEVE GOD SAID HE LOOSENS

THE PRISONERS.

AFTER 12 YEARS, I WENT UP

FOR PAROLE, AND THE PAROLE

BOARD RELEASED ME.

IT WAS JUST A MIRACLE OF

GOD, HIS FAVOR AND MERCY,

THAT I WAS RELEASED.

HE SURROUNDED ME WITH HIS

FAVOR.

AS PSALM 5: 12 SAYS: HAVE

FAVOR WITH GOD AND MAN.

AND GOD BLESSED ME WITH AN

AWESOME JOB, MAKING GOOD

MONEY.

WHEN I WAS ON THE INSIDE, I

HAD A DESIRE OR VISION THAT

WHEN I GET OUT, I WOULD COME

BACK AND MINISTER TO YOUNG

PEOPLE IN INSTITUTIONS.

AND SO I WAS TALKING TO A

FRIEND ONE DAY AT WORK, AND

I SHARED WITH HIM ABOUT

THAT.

AND HE TOLD ME ABOUT A GUY

HE KNOWS THAT HE DOES GO

INTO THE JUVENILE DETENTION

CENTERS.

SO HE GOT US CONNECTED, AND

WE TALKED.

AND THE GUY LET ME COME IN

WITH HIM.

SO I WOULD SHARE MY STORY OF

HOW GOD CHANGED MY LIFE.

AS I WAS SITTING THERE ONE

TIME, BUT NOW I'M FREE.

AND IT'S BECAUSE OF JESUS

THAT I'M FREE.

AND HE HAS A PLAN FOR THEM.

THAT REALLY IS A BLESSING TO

ME, THAT MY LIFE CAN SERVE,

CAN BE USED TO BRING HOPE IN

SOMEBODY ELSE.

Andrew: WOW, WHAT A

STORY.

SOMETIMES WE WOULD ALL LIKE

A DO-OVER.

IF WE COULD DO THINGS

DIFFERENTLY, WE WOULD.

IT MAY NOT NECESSARILY

CHANGE OUR CIRCUMSTANCES,

BUT SOMETIMES WE WISH WE

COULD CHANGE WHO WE'VE

BECOME.

I THINK WE ESTABLISHED THAT

WITH THAT STORY.

AND WE HAD EARL SMITH ON

WITH HIS STORY AND HIS

EXPERIENCE OF COUNSELLING

MEN AT SAN QUENTIN, AND

OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF MEN THERE

WISH THEY COULD DO THINGS

DIFFERENTLY AND DIDN'T LIKE

WHO THEY BECAME.

THROUGH JESUS CHRIST WE CAN

CHANGE WHO WE ARE.

IT MAY NOT CHANGE THE

CIRCUMSTANCES IMMEDIATELY,

BUT WE CAN BECOME A

REFLECTION OF JESUS.

THERE IS NO BARRIER BETWEEN

US AND GOD BECAUSE JESUS

SERVES TO FACILITATE THAT

RELATIONSHIP AND SAVE US.

BUT SOMETIMES WE ACT IN SUCH

A WAY THAT WE MAKE IT

DIFFICULT TO ACCEPT THE

GRACE AND FORGIVENESS OF

CHRIST.

HIS LOVE WON'T CHANGE FOR

US, BASED UPON WHAT WE'VE

DONE.

HE DOESN'T LOVE YOU ANY LESS

NOW THAN HE DID LAST MONTH

OR LAST YEAR OR BEFORE THOSE

CIRCUMSTANCES CAME ABOUT OR

THE ACTIONS WE'VE DONE TO

CHANGE OUR LIFE.

THE LOVE HE HAS FOR US DOES

NOT CHANGE.

HOWEVER, ACCEPTING HIS

GRACE, THAT'S PART OF OUR

RESPONSIBILITY.

YOU KNOW, THERE IS A STORY

OF A MAN WHO COULDN'T SWIM,

AND HE WAS IN THE WATER

DROWNING.

AND HE WENT UNDER WATER.

AND HE WAS FLAILING AND HE

CAME BACK UP.

AND THERE WAS A MAN ON THE

THE PIER WHO WAS A GOOD

SWIMMER, AND THEY SAID, WHY

DON'T YOU SAVE THIS MAN.

AND HE STOOD THERE AND

WATCHED.

AND THE MAN FLAILED AGAIN.

AND HE TURNED AND WENT BACK

UP.

AND THEN AGAIN THE MAN WENT

UNDER.

AND AT THAT MOMENT, THIS

EXPERIENCED SWIMMER THREW

OFF HIS COAT AND JUMPED INTO

THE WATER AND SAFELY BROUGHT

THIS DROWNING MAN THE

WATER.

AND HE SAID, I HAD TO WAIT

UNTIL HE WAS NO LONGER

STRONG ENOUGH SO I COULD

SAVE HIM.

BECAUSE THIS MAN WAS

FLAILING AND THROWING HIS

ARMS AND HE WOULDN'T BE ABLE

TO BE SAVED.

TO BE RESCUED, WE NEED TO

COME TO THE LORD AND SAY, I

NEED YOU.

I AM HELPLESS.

I CAN'T DO IT ANYMORE ON MY

OWN.

I'M GOING TO BE STILL AND

LET YOU INTERCEDE AND SAVE

MY LIFE.

IN THE FOURTH CHAPTER OF

HEBREWS, WE READ HOW THE

WRITER SAYS, COME WITH

CONFIDENCE BEFORE THE THRONE

OF GOD.

EMBRACE HIS GRACE AND HIS

MERCY AND TAKE IT FOR

YOURSELF.

AND I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT

THAT WE REMEMBER TODAY THAT

CHRIST LOVES US NO MATTER

WHAT WE'VE DONE, BUT IT

DOESN'T GIVE US AN EXCUSE TO

SIN.

IF ANYTHING, IT SHOULD

INSPIRE US TO WORSHIP AND

LOVE HIM MORE.

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FOR EACH NEED.

JESSICA IS ONE OF THOSE

PEOPLE, AND SHE HAS RECEIVED

SOME PRAYER REQUESTS ON OUR

Facebook PAGE.

THANKS, ANDREW.

OUR FIRST ONE IS FROM

ANGELA.

AND SHE WRITES: "PRAY FOR

ME, I'M A BACK SLIDER,

OVERRUN BY THE CARES OF THIS

WORLD.

LORD, PLEASE HELP ME.

I NEED JESUS IN MY LIFE."

WE'RE GOING TO PRAY FOR YOU,

ANGELA.

THIS ONE IS FROM MORGAN.

SHE SAYS, "I ASK THAT YOU

PRAY FOR DELIVERANCE FOR MY

CHILDREN, FROM ALCOHOL AND

DRUGS.

ALSO PRAY THAT THEY RECEIVE

JESUS AS THEIR LORD AND

SAVIOR.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE

COMPLETE CHANGE IN THEM,

LIKE JESUS DID IN ME."

AND OUR LAST ONE IS FROM

JOE.

HE WRITES, "MY NEPHEW WAS

RECENTLY SENT TO PRISON.

THIS WIFE IS PREGNANT.

HE WALKED AWAY FROM GOD, AND

MY PRAYER IS HE RECOMMITS

HIS LIFE TO CHRIST WHILE HE

IS SERVING HIS SENTENCE."

WELL, WE HAVE SEEN MANY

ENCOURAGING STORIES ABOUT

THAT VERY TOPIC RIGHT HERE

ON OUR SHOW.

SO WE'RE GOING TO PRAY IN

FAITH.

IF YOU OR SOMEONE YOU KNOW

NEEDS PRAYER, JOIN WITH US.

HEAVENLY FATHER, WE JUST

THANK YOU, FATHER.

JUST LIKE ANDREW SAID, WE

CAN APPROACH YOUR THRONE OF

GRACE WITH CONFIDENCE.

SO, LORD, WE COME BEFORE YOU

TODAY, FOR ALL OF THE

PARENTS WHO ARE PRAYING FOR

THEIR CHILDREN, THAT THEY

WILL COME HOME TO YOU,

LORD.

FOR THE WIVES, FOR THE

CHILDREN WHO ARE PRAYING FOR

THEIR SPOUSES OR PRAYING FOR

THEIR PARENTS, FATHER, YOU

HEAR THEIR CRY.

AND, FATHER, WE THANK YOU

THAT YOUR WORD SAYS, I KNOW

THE PLANS THAT I HAVE FOR

YOU, PLANS TO GIVE YOU A

HOPE AND A FUTURE.

SO, LORD, WE LIFT UP ANGELA

WHO IS CONCERNED ABOUT HER

FAMILY.

FATHER, WE ASK FOR YOUR

INTERVENTION RIGHT NOW IN

JESUS' NAME.

FOR JOE'S FAMILY, WE ASK THE

SAME THING.

AND FOR MORGAN'S FAMILY,

FATHER, YOU HEAR THE CRY OF

THEIR HEART.

THEY HAVE GOTTEN TO THAT

PLACE WHERE THEY SAY, JESUS,

I CANNOT DO THIS ANYMORE.

THEY HAVE COME TO THE END OF

THEIR ROPE.

AND, FATHER, WE THANK YOU

THAT WHEN WE GET TO THAT

PLACE OF SURRENDER, THAT WE

CAN TURN IT OVER TO YOU, AND

THAT WE CAN SEE GREAT AND

MIGHTY MIRACLES.

FOR THOSE WHO ARE WATCHING

AND SAYING, I'M TOO FAR AWAY

FROM GOD, THERE IS NO WAY I

CAN BE RESCUED OR TURNED

AROUND NOW, THE LORD IS

SPEAKING TO YOU RIGHT NOW

AND SAYING, CHOOSE TODAY TO

FOLLOW ME.

AND I WILL MEET YOU RIGHT

WHERE YOU ARE.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO CLEAN UP

FIRST.

I'M GOING TO COME AND I'M

GOING TO PICK YOU UP.

I AM THE LIFTER OF YOUR HEAD

AND I WILL RESTORE AND HEAL

YOUR LIFE.

IN JESUS' NAME WE PRAY.

AMEN.

ANDREW?

Andrew: THANK YOU,

JESSICA.

BEAUTIFUL PRAYER.

WE LEAVE YOU WITH THESE

WORDS FROM 8 JOHN 36: "SO IF

THE SON SETS YOU FREE, YOU

WILL BE FREE INDEED."

REMEMBER THAT CHRIST HAS SET

YOU FREE.

FOR JESSICA AND TERRY, I'M

ANDREW KNOX, AND WE'LL SEE

YOU NEXT TIME ON "700 CLUB

INTERACTIVE."

BYE-BYE.

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-"THE BRODY FILE" FILE.

MAY 26, 2015.

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