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The Watchman: Is ISIS Winning Against The West?

On this week's edition of The Watchman, we sit down with Islam expert Robert Spencer to discuss his new book, "The Complete Infidels' Guide to ISIS." We also discuss ISIS among the Muslim refugees of Europe with Austrian counter-jihad ... Read Transcript


Erick: AND WELCOME TO

"THE WATCHMAN."

YOU KNOW, FOLKS, IN MY

TRAVELS AROUND THE

COUNTRY, I'M ASKED A LOT

OF QUESTIONS ABOUT ISIS.

WHERE DID ISIS COME FROM?

WHAT DO THEY WANT?

ARE THEY REALLY A THREAT

TO AMERICA?

AND WHY SHOULD I CARE?

WHAT SHOULD WE DO ABOUT

IT?

WELL, "NEW YORK TIMES"

BEST-SELLING AUTHOR ROBERT

SPENCER ANSWERS ALL OF

THOSE QUESTIONS, AND MANY

MORE, IN HIS NEW BOOK,

"THE COMPLETE INFIDEL'S

GUIDE TO ISIS."

IT IS A GREAT TITLE AND A

GREAT INFORMATIVE BOOK

THAT YOU NEED TO PICK UP

TO TRULY UNDERSTAND THE

ISIS THREAT AND WHAT IT

MEANS FOR AMERICA.

I SAT DOWN WITH ROBERT

RECENTLY TO DISCUSS THE

BOOK AND WHAT IS NEXT IN

THE GLOBAL JIHAD.

TAKE A LOOK.

AND WE ARE JOINED RIGHT

NOW BY OUR GOOD FRIEND

ROBERT SPENCER.

WELCOME BACK TO THE SHOW.

CONGRATULATIONS ON THE NEW

BOOK.

IT IS A GREAT ONE.

THANKS, ERICK.

IT IS A PLEASURE TO BE

BACK.

Erick: I TELL

EVERYONE, IF YOU WANT TO

KNOW ABOUT ISLAM, PLEASE

READ ROBERT SPENCER.

I THINK A GREAT PLACE TO

START, AND SO MUCH TO TALK

TO YOU IN THE TIME WE

HAVE.

A GREAT PLACE TO START,

YOU DELVE INTO THIS IN THE

BOOK, WESTERN LEADERS TELL

US THAT ISIS AND

EVERYTHING THEY'RE DOING

IS NOT ISLAMIC.

ROBERT, IS ISIS, THE

ISLAMIC STATE, IS IT

ISLAMIC?

IT IS QUITE ESSENTIALLY

ISLAMIC.

THEY BASE EVERYTHING THEY

DO ON ISLAMIC TEXT AND

TEACHINGS, ON THE QURAN

AND THE EXAMPLE OF

MUHAMMAD.

THIS KIND OF DENIAL FROM

WESTERN LEADERS IS

DISASTEROUS.

YOU CAN'T DEFEAT AN ENEMY

YOU REFUSE TO UNDERSTAND.

THEY ARE PRETENDING THIS

GROUP IS OTHER THAN WHAT

IT IS.

30,000 FOREIGN FIGHTERS

FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD

HAVE GONE TO IRAQ AND

SYRIA TO JOIN THE ISLAMIC

STATE.

THEY DID THAT BECAUSE THEY

BELIEVE THAT IT IS

ISLAMIC.

THEY BELIEVE THAT IT IS

THE TRUE ISLAMIC STATE,

THE ONLY LEGITIMATE

GOVERNMENT FOR SUNNI

MUSLIMS IN THE WORLD.

OUR POLICY-MAKERS AND

INTELLIGENCE ANALYSTS

OUGHT TO BE STUDYING THAT

AND DEVISING WAYS TO

COUNTER IT.

INSTEAD, THEY'RE JUST

IGNORING IT AND PRETENDING

IT IS NOT HAPPENING.

Erick: THE FIRST RULE

OF WAR: KNOW YOUR ENEMY.

KNOW THE IDEOLOGY.

YOU TALK ABOUT IT IN GREAT

DETAIL IN THE BOOK, THE

WESTERN RESPONSE OR LACK

OF RESPONSE.

WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE

STATE OF THE WEST, IN

TERMS OF WESTERN

LEADERSHIP, DEALING WITH

THIS THREAT?

ERICK, WE'RE

DISASTEROUSLY VULNERABLE

AND IT IS BY OUR OWN

DOING.

THIS REFUGEE CRISIS THAT

IS GOING ON RIGHT NOW, AND

HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF

PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GET

INTO EUROPE, AND BARACK

OBAMA JUST SAYING TODAY HE

IS GOING TO TAKE 10,000,

AND I'M SURE HE WILL BE

TAKING MORE BEFORE THIS IS

OVER.

LAST FEBRUARY I THE ISLAMIC

STATE SAID IT WOULD FLOOD

EUROPE WITH REFUGEES.

AND THERE WAS AN ISLAMIC

STATE OPERATIVE WHO

RECENTLY GAVE AN INTERVIEW

TO AN AMERICAN JOURNALIST,

AND HE SAID WE'VE SENT

4,000 OF OUR MEN INTO

EUROPE WITH THE REFUGEES.

AND WE'LL BE CARRYING OUT

PLANS TO CONQUER ROME AND

ISLAMIZE EUROPE.

Erick: THERE IS A

PIPELINE GOING FROM EUROPE

TO SYRIA AND BACK AGAIN.

WE HAVE SEEN THOUSANDS OF

EUROPEANS GOING TO SYRIA

AND IRAQ TO JOIN THIS

CALIPHATE.

A LOT OF PEOPLE ASK ME,

ROBERT, HEY, WHAT IS THE

ATTRACTION FOR A

WESTERNER?

WHAT IS YOUR TAKE ON THAT?

THE ATTRACTION FROM

WESTERNERS WHO LIVE IN

THESE PROSPEROUS SOCIETIES

GOING TO JOIN THE BARBARIC

ISLAMIC STATE.

BECAUSE THEY CLAIM TO

BE THE CALIPHATE, THE ONLY

LEGITIMATE GOVERNMENT FOR

ISLAM'S WORLDWIDE.

SEE, THIS IS A SPIRITUAL

APPEAL, A RELIGIOUS

APPEAL.

THIS IS ONE THING THAT

WESTERN POLICY-MAKERS SEEM

DETERMINED NOT TO

UNDERSTAND.

SO JUST YESTERDAY IT WAS

ANNOUNCED IN MINNEAPOLIS,

THEY'RE GOING TO OPEN UP

YOUTH LEADERSHIP PROGRAMS

TO PREVENT YOUNG MUSLIMS

FROM JOINING THE JIHAD.

WHAT IF YOU HAD A CHANCE

TO BECOME A WARRIOR OF GOD

ALMIGHTY, AND ONE OF HIS

ELECT, WHO WERE

IMPLEMENTING HIS TRUE

GOVERNMENT HE WANTS IN THE

WORLD, VERSUS RUNNING A

BASKETBALL TEAM?

Erick: I'VE SPENT

TIME IN THE COMMUNITIES

THERE, AND DANGEROUS

STUFF.

YOU CAN SEE A GLIMPSE OF

HOW THE REFUGEE CRISIS IN

EUROPE CAN AFFECT US HERE.

LOOK AT THE SOMALI

REFUGEES.

IT HAS BECOME A TERROR

HOTBED IN THE TWIN CITIES.

JUST MOVING ON A BIT,

ISLAMIC PROPHECY, I THINK

THIS IS A FASCINATING

ASPECT OF THE BOOK.

YOU GET INTO -- WE TALKED

ABOUT IDEOLOGY.

BUT IT IS DEEPER THAN JUST

JIHAD AND SHAR'IA FOR

ISIS.

THEY BELIEVE THEY ARE

WARRIORS FOR THE END

TIMES, FULFILLING ISLAMIC

PROPHECY, RIGHT?

THESE GUYS THINK

THEY'RE GOING TO BRING

ABOUT THE END OF THE

WORLD.

THEY HOPE BY 2025, 10

YEARS FROM NOW, TO BRING

ABOUT THE FINAL BATTLE,

THE FINAL SHOWDOWN BETWEEN

THE MUSLIMS AND THE

NON-MUSLIMS.

THEY THINK AT THAT TIME,

THE AMERICANS AND WHATEVER

REMAINS OF THEIR ALLIES --

THEY THINK THEY WILL HAVE

CONQUERED QUITE A FEW OF

THEM BEFORE THAT.

THAT THE AMERICANS WILL

COME TO THE TOWN IN

NORTHERN SYRIA CALLED

DABIK, AND THAT IS WHERE

MUHAMMAD IS SUPPOSED TO

HAVE SAID THAT WILL BE THE

FINAL BATTLE BETWEEN GOOD

AND EVIL, AND THE MUSLIMS,

OF COURSE, BEING GOOD.

AND JESUS, THE MUSLIM

PROPHET, WILL DESCEND FROM

PARADISE AND CONQUER AND

IISLAMIZE THE ENTIRE WORLD.

IT IS JUST A TOWN OF 3,000

PEOPLE, AND THEY THINK

THEY'RE GOING TO BRING

THIS ABOUT IN 10 YEARS.

Erick: THEIR ONLINE

MAGAZINE IS CALLED DABIK.

IT SHOWS YOU THE ISLAMIC

PROPHECY TO WHAT IS

DRIVING ISIS.

ROBERT, A LOT OF AMERICANS

I SPEAK TO AT TIMES SAY,

LOOK, IT IS HORRIBLE WHAT

ISIS IS DOING.

THEY'RE KILLING CHRISTIANS

AND BEHEADING THEM, BUT

WHY SHOULD I CARE?

THEY'RE THOUSANDS OF MILES

AWAY?

WHY SHOULD AMERICANS CARE

ABOUT ISIS?

ERICK, JUST IN AUGUST

ALONE THERE WERE ARRESTS

IN CALIFORNIA, NEW YORK,

AND MISSISSIPPI OF YOUNG

MUSLIMS TRYING TO JOIN THE

ISLAMIC STATE.

AND THERE HAVE BEEN

ARRESTS ALL LAST YEAR

SINCE ISIS DECLARED THE

CALIPHATE OF MANY MUSLIMS

PLOTTING TO CARRY OUT

TERROR ATTACKS IN THE

UNITED STATES, IN

FULFILLMENT OF CALLS BY

THE ISLAMIC STATE.

THEY'RE HERE.

THEY'RE GOING OVER THERE

TO LEARN JIHAD.

AND THEN COME BACK HERE.

SOME ARE EVEN STAYING HERE

AND CARRYING OUT THE ORDER

ORDERS OF THE ISLAMIC

STATE TO CARRY OUT ATTACKS

AGAINST POLICEMEN AND

OTHERS.

Erick: THAN THINK ABOUT

WHAT al-QAEDA WAS ABLE

TO DO IN 9/11.

YOU CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT

ISIS IS DOING IN SYRIA AND

IRAQ, AND WITH THE ADDED

BENEFIT OF THOUSANDS OF

WESTERN RECRUITS.

ROBERT, I WANT TO ASK YOU

ABOUT THE PERSECUTION, THE

SLAUGHTER OF CHRISTIANS

AND YAZIDIS.

TALK ABOUT HOW THIS DOES

NOT COME IN A VACUUM.

ISIS DID NOT JUST CREATE

THIS.

TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE

ISLAMIC HISTORY IN TERMS

OF PERSECUTION OF

CHRISTIANS.

ISLAMIC LAW IS VERY

SPECIFIC: YOU HAVE TO

CONVERT TO ISLAM, OR

SUBMIT TO ISLAMIC RULE AS

A PROTECTED PERSON, DENIED

BASIC RIGHTS, AND FORCED

TO ENDURE

INSTITUTIONALIZED

DISCRIMINATION OR DIE.

CONVERSION, SUBJUGATION,

OR DEATH ARE THE THREE

CHOICES FOR CHRISTIANS AND

OTHER PEOPLE CONSIDERED

THE PEOPLE OF THE BOOK.

YAYAZIDIS WHO ARE NOT

CONSIDERED PEOPLE OF THE

BOOK ARE WORSE.

THEY HAVE TO SUBMIT OR

DIE.

FOR 1400 YEARS AGO, OR A

1,000 YEARS IN THE MIDDLE

EAST, THE CHRISTIANS AND

YAZIDIS DID SUBMIT TO THE

ISLAMIC RULE AND PAID THE

TAX SPECIFIED IN THE QURAN

AND THEY ACCEPTED THE

DENIAL OF RIGHTS FOR THE

PRIVILEGE OF BEING ALLOWED

TO LIVE.

NOW THOSE LAWS WERE SET

ASIDE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE

19th CENTURY UNDER THE

OTTOMAN EMPIREMENT AND THE

CHRISTIANS AND OTHER

NON-MUSLIMS ENJOYED

RELATIVELY EQUAL RIGHTS IN

SYRIA AND IRAQ IN

PARTICULAR.

BUT THE ISLAMIC STATE CAME

IN AND WANTED TO REASSERT

THE LAWS SPECIFIED IN THE

QURAN FOR THE SUBJUGATION

OF THE NON-MUSLIMS.

SO THEY WERE CONSIDERED

INFIDELS AT WAR WITH

ISLAM, AND THEY HAD TO BE

KILLED.

SO SO MINU MANY HAVE BEEN

KILLED.

Erick: THERE IS A

GENOCIDE AGAINST

CHRISTIANS OPENLY, AND

YAZIDIS, AND WESTERN

ELITES JUST WHISTLE AND

LOOK THE OTHER WAY.

ROBERT, WE HAVE ABOUT A

MINUTE AND A HALF LEFT.

PRESIDENT OBAMA, HOW

DISASTEROUS HAS HE BEEN

FOR THE WAR AGAINST

ISLAMISM AND JIHAD?

HE SAID IN ONE OF HIS

AUTOBIOGRAPHYS THAT THE

POLITICAL WIND SHIFTED

OUTSIDE WITH THE MUSLIMS.

AND PEOPLE DISMISSED THAT

AND POOH-POOHED IT, BUT IF

YOU LOOK AT HIS

PRESIDENCY, HE HAS DONE

THIS IN EVERY PARTICULAR.

HE KILLED BIN LADEN, BUT

THAT WAS IN PROCESS BEFORE

HE BECAME PRESIDENT.

HE HAS AIDED THE PEACEFUL

IMPOSITION OF ISLAMIC LAW

EVERYWHERE HE COULD.

Erick: CLEARLY VERY,

VERY FOND OF ISLAM.

ROBERT, YOU'RE OPTMISTIC,

PESSIMISTIC?

WHAT DO YOU THINK IS

COMING NEXT IN THE FIGHT

AGAINST ISIS?

WILL IT HIT A TIPPING

POINT WHERE THE WEST WAKES

UP?

I HOPE SO.

I WAS BORN IN SOUTH

CAROLINA, AND THE STATE

MOTTO IS "WHILE I BREATHE,

I HOPE."

BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD

FOR US NOW.

THE ISIS PEOPLE SAY WE

LOVE DEATH MORE THAN YOU

LOVE LIFE, AND THAT GIVES

ME HOPE BECAUSE LIFE

ALWAYS KWO CONQUERS OVER

DEATH.

Erick: THE BOOK IS

CALLED "THE COMPLETE

INFIDEL'S GUIDE TO ISIS."

ROBERT, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

GOD BLESS YOU, MY FRIEND.

KEEP IT UP.

YOU, TOO, ERICK.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

Erick: UP NEXT, THE

SO-CALLED REFUGEE CRISIS

IN EUROPE AND WHAT IT

MEANS FOR YOU.

STICK AROUND.

Erick: AND WELCOME

BACK.

IF YOU WANT A GLIMPSE OF

WHAT THE FUTURE LOOKS LIKE

FOR AMERICA IF IT

CONTINUES ON ITS CURRENT

COURSE, LOOK NO FURTHER

THAN WESTERN EUROPE.

THE LARGE AND GROWING

MUSLIM POPULATION THERE IS

RESTLESS, AND IN MANY

CASES UNASSIMILATED AND

RADICALIZED.

THOUSANDS OF EUROPEAN

MUSLIMS HAVE TRAVELLED

OVERSEAS TO JOIN ISIS, AND

NOW THOUSANDS OF MUSLIM

REFUGEES ARE DESCENDING ON

EUROPE, WHICH MEANS WE

WILL SEE MORE CULTURE

CLASHES IN THE VERY NEAR

FUTURE.

I RECENTLY SAT DOWN WITH

ELIZABETH WOLFE, A LEADING

COUNTERJIHAD ACTIVIST IN

AUSTRIA TO FIND OUT WHAT

THIS ALL MEANS FOR THE

FUTURE OF EUROPE AND FOR

YOU.

TAKE A LOOK.

AND WE'RE JOINED NOW BY

ELIZABETH WOLFE.

WELCOME BACK TO CBN NEWS.

ERICK, IT IS SUCH A

PLEASURE TO BE BACK.

THANK YOU, ERICK.

Erick: YOU WERE MY

EXPERT GUIDE IN VIENNA A

FEW YEARS AGO.

WE HAD MANY REPORTS ON CBN

FROM THAT AUSTRIA TRIP.

SPEAKING OF VIENNA, NUMBER

ONE, IT IS GREAT TO HAVE

YOU HERE IN WASHINGTON,

D.C.

SPEAKING OF VIENNA, RIGHT

NOW VIENNA AND AUSTRIA,

WHERE YOU'RE BASED, ARE

KIND OF GROUND ZERO FOR

THIS MIGRANT CRISIS AS IT

IS BEING CALLED IN EUROPE.

GIVE US, ELIZABETH, KIND

OF A FIRSTHAND ACCOUNT AND

VIEW OF WHAT IS GOING ON

RIGHT NOW IN EUROPE WITH

THESE REFUGEES COMING FROM

SYRIA, IRAQI, AFGHANISTAN,

AND GOD KNOWS WHERE ELSE.

POOX I WOULDN'T CALL THIS A

REFUGEE CRISIS.

THIS IS A FULL-BLOWN

INVASION.

THESE ARE PEOPLE COMING IN

FROM ALL OVER THE PLACE.

THESE ARE YOUNG MEN.

THESE THES ARE NOT WOMEN AND

CHILDREN.

I WOULD ARGUE, BY LOOKING

AT THE PICTURES THAT WE

SEE ON TELEVISION AND IN

NEWSPAPERS, THAT THESE ARE

YOUNG MEN, PROBABLY FROM

SYRIA, A LOT OF THEM FROM

PAKISTAN.

YOU WONDER WHAT IS GOING

ON IN PAKISTAN.

THERE IS NO WAR IN

PAKISTAN.

AND YOU ALSO HAVE A LOT OF

THEM FROM SOMALIA.

AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT

SYRIAN.

I WOULDN'T CALL THIS A

SYRIAN REFUGEE CRISIS.

AND I WOULD ALSO ASK, CAN

WE PLEASE SEPARATE THE

TERMS.

WHAT IS A MIGRANT?

WHAT IS AN IMMIGRANT?

AND WHAT IS AN

ASYLUM-SEEKER?

IT IS A VERY CRUCIAL

DISTINCTION BECAUSE THE

GENEVA CONVENTION HAS VERY

STRICT RULES REGARDING

ASYLUM-SEEKERS.

AND ONE OF THOSE RULES AND

REGULATIONS ARE BEING

BROKEN EVERY SINGLE DAY.

IF YOU HAVE MIGRANTS, OR

WHATEVER YOU WANT TO COME

THEM, ENTERING AUSTRIA

FROM HUNGARY, THEY ARE

BREAKING NUMEROUS LAWS

ALREADY.

THEY SHOULD NOT BE IN

AUSTRIA WITHOUT A VISA,

WITHOUT SOME SORT OF

IDENTIFICATION.

THEY SHOULD BE

FINGERPRINTED IN THE FIRST

COUNTRY THEY ENTER WITHIN

THE EUROPEAN UNION OR THE

SHINANG AREA.

GERMANY AND AUSTRIA ARE

CERTAINLY NOT THE FIRST

COUNTRIES THEY ARE

ENTERING.

THEY WOULD BE ENTERING

EITHER HUNGARY, MALTA, OR

ITALY.

AND WHERE ARE THEY?

THEY'RE MARCHING FOR

BUDAPEST TO VIENNA,

DEMANDING ENTRANCE INTO

AUSTRIA.

IF I WERE KNOCKING ON THE

DOOR AT DULLES AIRPORT

SAYING I DEMAND TO BE LET

INTO THE UNITED STATES, I

WOULD BE LAUGHED OUT OF

TOWN.

Erick: AND DEMANDING

TO BE SENT TO A CERTAIN

STATE.

RIGHT.

THEY HAVE NO RIGHT UNDER

THE GENEVA CONVENTION TO

SAY I'M AN ASYLUM-SEEKER

AND I DEMAND TO BE BROUGHT

TO MY FRIENDS IN BERLIN OR

WHAT HAVE YOU.

THEY MUST STAY IN THE

FIRST COUNTRY OF ENTRY.

Erick: NOW YOU HAVE

SERIOUS CONCERNS,

OBVIOUSLY, ABOUT THE

CULTURE CLASHES THAT COULD

ENSUE FROM THIS.

THE POSSIBILITY THAT

JIHADISTS AND THE LIKES OF

ISIS, WHICH ALREADY HAS AN

EXTENSIVE NETWORK IN

EUROPE, COULD INFILTRATE

HERE, RIGHT.

THESE ARE MUSLIM REFUGEES.

YOU KNOW EXACTLY

FROM -- WHEN YOU AND I

WENT UNDERCOVER IN VIENNA

AND WE CHECKED OUT THE

MOSQUES, YOU KNOW HOW MANY

SO-CALLED AUSTRIANS HAVE

LEFT TO JOIN THE JIHAD.

WE HAVE VERY HIGH NUMBERS.

WHY DO WE HAVE THOSE HIGH

NUMBERS?

BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF

BOSNIANS FROM THE LAST WAR

IN BOSNIA.

THESE ARE REFUGEES WHO

CAME IN FROM, DURING, AND

AFTER THE BOSNIAN CRISIS.

AND NOW A LOT OF THEM ARE

IN THE MOSQUES.

THEY'RE BEING RADICALIZED,

AND THEN THEY SHIP

THEMSELVES AWAY, OFF TO

SYRIA.

AND WE HAVE A MINISTER OF

INTERIOR WHO TELLS US,

WE'RE GOING TO PREVENT

THEM FROM LEAVING BECAUSE

OBVIOUSLY I WOULD QUITE

HAPPY IF THEY LEFT THE

COUNTRY AND NEVER

RETURNED.

Erick: RIGHT.

REVOKED THEIR CITIZEN

SHCHSHIP,AND WE SAY THE SAME IN THE

U.S.

AND THIS IS VIENNA, ONE OF

THE GREAT CITIES OF

WESTERN CIVILIZATION.

THIS IS AUSTRIA, WHERE

THIS IS ALL GOING DOWN.

TALK ABOUT THE CULTURE

CLASHES RIGHT NOW THAT ARE

INCREASING IN AUSTRIA,

ELIZABETH.

YOU'RE THERE.

YOU LIVE THERE.

YOU SEE IT FIRSTHAND.

I DO.

I SEE THE MOSQUES.

I SEE THE RHETORIC.

I SEE, YOU KNOW -- YOU

WERE IN VIENNA, WHAT, FOUR

YEARS AGO?

Erick: YES.

YOU WOULDN'T RECOGNIZE

IT NOW.

THERE ARE SO MANY

JIBAD-CLAD WOMEN.

THE STREETS ARE FILLED

WITH REFUGEES, AND IT IS

FILTHY.

WHEREVER THE THESE PEOPLE

GO -- I LIVED IN KUWAIT

AND LIBYA, AND THESE

PLACES ARE FILTHY AS WELL.

AND NOW THIS IS BEING

BROUGHT INTO EUROPE.

THE FILTH.

Erick: WE'LL LEAVE IT

RIGHT THERE.

MUCH MORE COMING BACK WITH

ELIZABETH WOLFE.

MUCH MORE COMING UP AFTER

THE BREAK.

STICK AROUND.

Erick: AND WELCOME

BACK.

WE'RE TALKING TO ELIZABETH

WOLFE, A BOARD MEMBER IN

CHARGE OF INTERNATIONAL

AFFAIRS, AND THE AUSTRIA

CHAPTER LEADER FOR A GREAT

GROUP CALLED "ACT FOR

AMERICA."

ELIZABETH, THIS WASN'T

YOUR FOCUS.

YOU'RE A MOM.

YOU WERE ALWAYS FASCINATED

BY THIS AND OBVIOUSLY

INVOLVED, BUT YOU REALLY

BECAME AN ACTIVIST, I

SHOULD SAY, OVER THE PAST

SEVERAL YEARS.

TELL US HOW YOU HAVE

DEVOTED YOUR LIFE TO THIS

CAUSE, THIS CAUSE AGAINST

JIHAD AND PRESERVING

WESTERN CULTURE.

YOU SEE, I GOT INTO

THIS BECAUSE I SAW THE WAY

AUSTRIA HAD CHANGED

ALREADY IN THE 1990s.

I WAS LIVING IN KUWAIT AT

THE TIME.

I WAS WORKING THERE AT THE

AUSTRIAN EMBASSY.

AND WHENEVER I RETURNED

HOME, I WOULD RIDE THE

TRAIN AND I WOULD LOOK AT

HOW IT HAD CHANGED.

AND IN JUST ONE YEAR, YOU

WOULD SEE SO MANY

HIJAB-CLAD WOMEN AND EVEN

MORE AND MORE AND MORE.

AND AFTER MY RETURN TO

AUSTRIA, AND I HAD MY

DAUGHTER, WHO IS THE FOCUS

OF MY LIFE, WHICH IS WHY

I'M MENTIONING HER, AND I

THEN STARTED READING A

BOOK AND THAT CHANGED MY

LIFE.

Erick: WHAT WAS THE

BOOK?

THE BOOK WAS CALLED

"GABRIEL'S WHISPERINGS,S,"

WRITTEN BY AN INDIAN

ATHEIST.

HE COMPLETELY CHANGED MY

LIFE BECAUSE IT WAS A BOOK

WRITTEN SOLELY ON ISLAMIC

SCRIPTURE AND ISLAMIC

TEACHING.

NOTHING EUROPEAN OR

NOTHING WESTERN.

IT CHANGED MY LIFE.

SOMEHOW GOD INTERVENE, I

SUPPOSE, AND BROUGHT ME TO

A WONDERFUL GROUP, CENTER

FOR SECURITY POLICY --

Erick: FRANK GAFFNEY.

YES, FRANK GAFFNEY.

AND MY STAR IN THE JIHAD

AREA ROSE BECAUSE I'M

BILINGUAL.

AND BECAUSE I'M A

TRAVELLER BETWEEN THE

UNITED STATES AND EUROPE,

KNOWING BOTH SYSTEMS VERY

WELL, PEOPLE LIKED HAVING

ME AROUND.

I LIVED AND GREW UP IN THE

U.S., AND I HAVE A GREAT

LOVE AND RESPECT FOR THE

U.S. CONSTITUTION, THE

GREATEST PIECE OF PAPER

EVER WRITTEN.

Erick: WE HAVE A

FIRST AMENDMENT HERE IN

AMERICA.

YOU HAVE NOTHING LIKE THAT

IN AUSTRIA.

IN SPEAKING OUT ABOUT

THESE ISSUES YO, YOU HAVE

PAID A PRICE.

I HAVE PAID A PRICE.

BUT THIS PRICE FOR ME,

PERSONALLY, WASN'T HEAVY.

BUT FOR EUROPE IT HAS BEEN

VERY HEAVY.

WHY HASN'T IT BEEN HEAVY

FOR ME?

BECAUSE I'M NOW ABLE TO

SPEAK OUT WITHOUT THIS

LAWSUIT THAT WAS BROUGHT

AGAINST ME, I WOULD NOT BE

SITTING HERE WITH YOU

TODAY.

Erick: THE LAWSUIT

WAS A FEW YEARS AGO,

BASICALLY CHARGING YOU

WITH HATE SPEECH.

IF IT WAS HATE SPEECH,

AND THEN IT WAS

DENIGRATION OF RELIGIOUS

TEACHINGS.

AND I WAS TOLD TO PAY A

FINE, WHICH I DID.

AND BASICALLY FREEDOM OF

SPEECH IS DEAD IN EUROPE.

IT HAS BEEN DEAD FOR A

WHILE.

AND IT IS REALLY, REALLY

DETERIORATING EVEN MORE.

Erick: AND THAT'S WHY

AMERICANS SHOULD CARE,

RIGHT, ELIZABETH?

ABSOLUTELY.

Erick: BECAUSE THAT

COULD COME HERE.

WE SEE THAT CREEPING IN

HERE ALREADY.

THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS

I WANTED TO HAVE YOU ON

THE SHOW.

YOUR STORY AND WHAT IS

HAPPENING IN AUSTRIA IS A

CAUTIONARY TALE FOR THE

UNITED STATES.

NOT ONLY THAT, I'M NOT

THE ONLY PERSON.

PEOPLE ARE BEING ROUNDED

UP AND BEING SNITCHED ON

BY THEIR CO-WORKERS FOR

SAYING THINGS THAT ARE

NOT --

Erick: POLITICALLY

CORRECT ABOUT ISLAM.

-- POLITICALLY CORRECT

ABOUT ISLAM.

YOU HAVE A CERTAIN

CORRIDOR, WHAT YOU CAN

SAY.

IF YOU LEAVE THAT

CORRIDOR, YOU WILL LOSE

YOUR JOB.

WUL BE REPORTED TO THE

AUTHORITIES.

YOU WILL BE PROSECUTED.

Erick: YOU'RE A HATE

MONGER AND A BIGOT.

WE'RE SEEING THAT IN THE

UNITED STATES ON CERTAIN

ISSUES AS WELL.

AND YOU, PLEASE -- I

BEG YOU, EVERY TIME I COME

TO THE U.S., YOU MUST

FIGHT FOR THE FIRST AMEND

AMENDMENT.

BECAUSE AFTER AMERICA,

THERE IS NO PLACE TO GO.

WE NEED TO PRESERVE

AMERICA.

THE GOOD OLD AMERICA, NOT

THE ONE THAT THE PERSON

PRESIDENT VOWED TO CHANGE

DRAMATICALLY.

Erick: WE HAVE 30

SECOND LEFT.

BUT EUROPE, YOU'RE NOT

VERY OPTMISTIC.

NO.

Erick: BUT YOU'RE

GOING TO KEEP ON FIGHTING?

I HAVE NO CHOICE.

I HAVE A LITTLE GIRL.

I WILL FIGHT TO THE END

FOR THE FREEDOM FOR MY

LITTLE GIRL.

I SHARE IT WITH SO MANY

PEOPLE, AND I SALUTE THOSE

PEOPLE.

WE'RE IN THIS FIGHT

TOGETHER, AND I SALUTE YOU

BECAUSE YOU'RE ALSO DOING

THE SAME THING AND IT IS

SO IMPORTANT.

FREEDOM COMES AT A COST,

BUT IT IS WORTH IT.

Erick: IT IS.

ELIZABETH, THANK YOU SO

MUCH.

GOD BLESS YOU.

KEEP IT UP.

ACactforAmerican.org AND

SHE IS THE BOARD MEMBER AT

PACK SHEROPA.

MUCH MORE AFTER THE BREAK.

STICK AROUND.

Erick: AND WELCOME

BACK.

THANKS TO ROBERT SPENCER,

ELIZABETH WOLFE FOR

JOINING US TODAY AND

SOUNDING THE ALARM ABOUT

THE GATHERING THREAT AT

THE WEST'S DOORSTEP.

AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING

US HERE ON "THE WATCHMAN."

UNTIL NEXT TIME, GOD BLESS

AND REMEMBER, NEVER HOLD

YOUR PEACE.

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