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700 Club Interactive - Do Christians Still Have Influence? - May 2, 2016

Gordon Robertson and Terry Meeuwsen discuss solutions to the transgender bathroom controversy. Read Transcript


Gordon: IT'S AN ISSUE

DIVIDING THE NATION.

IF YOU HAVE MAN PARTS,

YOU GO TO A MAN'S

BATHROOM, AND IF YOU HAVE

LADY PARTS, YOU GO TO A

LADIES' ROOM.

Gordon: AND THE

RETAIL GIANT, TARGET, HAS

CHOSEN SIDES.

IS BOYCOTTING THE THE

ANSWER?

WE'LL TACKLE THIS TOPIC ON

TODAY'S "700 CLUB

INTERACTIVE."

WELL, WELCOME TO THE SHOW.

YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN A

BULL'S EYE LOGO BLOWING UP

ON YOUR Facebook NEWS

FEED.

THAT'S BECAUSE TARGET'S

TRANSGENDER BATHROOM

CONTROVERSY HAS PEOPLE

FIRED UP.

TARGET BELIEVES PEOPLE

SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO USE

THE BATHROOM THAT MAKES

THEM FEEL THE MOST

COMFORTABLE.

AND MANY BUSINESSES AND

CORPORATIONS, AND THOSE IN

THE ENTERTAINMENT CITY,

ARE TAKING A STRONG

SUPPORTIVE STAND.

BUT NOT EVERYONE AGREES.

THE AMERICAN FAMILY

ASSOCIATION STARTED A

PETITION TO BOYCOTT

TARGET, AND NOW OVER A

MILLION PEOPLE HAVE

ALREADY SIGNED IT.

Terry: THE BOYCOTT

WAS ORGANIZED AFTER TARGET

RELEASED THE FOLLOWING

STATEMENT: "IN OUR STORES,

WE DEMONSTRATE OUR

COMMITMENT TO AN INCLUSIVE

EXPERIENCE IN MANY WAYS.

MOST RELEVANT FOR THE

CONVERSATIONS CURRENTLY

UNDER WAY, WE WELCOME

TRANSGENDER TEEN MEMBERS

AND GUESTS TO USE THE

BATHROOM OR FITTING ROOM

FACILITY THAT CORRESPONDS

WITH THEIR GENDER

IDENTITY."

THE THE AMERICAN FAMILY

ASSOCIATION SAYS,

QUOTE,"TARGET'S POLICY IS

EXACTLY HOW SEXUAL

PREDATORS GET ACCESS TO

THEIR VICTIMS."

SO, GORDON, WHAT DO YOU

THINK ABOUT TARGET'S NEW

POLICY?

Gordon: I'VE THE GOT

TWO EXAMPLES FOR YOU.

THE FIRST ONE COMES FROM

NORTHERN VIRGINIA, AND

THIS WAS JUST IN LAST

OCTOBER.

HERE IS HIS MUGSHOT, WHERE

THIS IS THE MAN WHO WAS

ARRESTED, AND THAT'S WHAT

HE LOOKS LIKE IN REAL

LIFE.

AND HERE IS HOW HE WAS

DRESSED AS HE WENT INTO A

WOMEN'S BATHROOM IN A MALL

IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA, AND

HE HAD A VIDEO CAMERA IN

ONE OF THOSE PLASTIC BAGS,

AND HE WOULD PUT THAT BAG

UNDERNEATH THE STALL TO

VIDEO THE WOMAN AND THE

NEXT STALL.

HE GOT ARRESTED.

THERE ARE PLENTY OF LAWS

AGAINST THAT KIND OF

BEHAVIOR.

BUT YOU WONDER IF THIS

TRANSGENDER, IF HE COULD

CLAIM, WELL, THAT'S THE

GENDER I FELT MOST

COMFORTABLE BEING IN THE

BATHROOM.

DOES IT SOMEHOW GIVE HIM

LICENSE?

THERE IS ALSO ANOTHER SIDE

TO IT.

IF YOU ARE TRANSGENDER,

WHERE DO YOU GO TO THE

BATHROOM.

MICHAEL SHANNON IS A

TRANSGENDER MAN WHO SAYS

THE NEW LAW WILL RAISE

OTHER SAFETY ISSUES.

MY PRESENTATION IS

MALE, AND IT POSITIONS ME

TO GO INTO A MALE

RESTROOM.

BUT IF I HAVE TO GO INTO

THE RESTROOM OF MY

BIOLOGICAL GENDER, I HAVE

A PROBLEM NOW.

BECAUSE NOW I'M IN THE

FEMALE RESTROOM WITH THIS

MALE PRESENTATION.

SO YOU END UP STAYING

HOME, WHERE YOU WOULD

NORMALLY GO OUT.

YOU END UP MAYBE NOT

SOCIALIZING AS MUCH.

THOSE KINDS OF THINGS FOR

A TRANS PERSON INCITE

DEPRESSION.

Gordon: I WONDER IF

COMMON SENSE HAS LEFT US

ON THIS ONE.

LET'S TAKE THE MOST FAMOUS

ONE, BRUCE JENNER.

IF CAITLIN WERE TO WALK

INTO A MEN'S BATHROOM, I

DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD

BE A GOOD EXPERIENCE FOR

ANYBODY.

Terry: WHEN YOU LOOK

AT THIS PERSON -- WAS IT

MICHAEL -- WHO HAS THE

APPEARANCE OF MALE, NO ONE

WOULD EVER REALLY KNOW IF

YOU WENT INTO A BATHROOM.

AND IN A WOMEN'S

BATHROOM -- THE ISSUE

ISN'T THE TRANSGENDER

PERSON AS IT IS THE PERSON

WHO HAS AN AGENDA THAT IS

PERVERSE ABOUT THE GENERAL

POPULATION COMING INTO

THAT BATHROOM.

LIKE THE GUY TRYING TO

TAKE PICTURES UNDER THE

DOOR.

BUT JENNER, FOR SURE,

WOULD WALK INTO A WOMEN'S

ROOM, GO INTO A STALL,

CLOSE THE DOOR, AND DO

WHATEVER HE IS DOING.

Gordon: STUFF.

I'M GOING TO MAKE A BOLD

PREDICTION.

YOU'VE GOT TO KEEP IN MIND

I THINK THAT TARGET IS

SORT OF POSITIONING HERE

BECAUSE THE REALITY AND

THE MAJORITY OF TARGET

STORES ARE SINGLE-STALL

BATHROOM.

SO JUST AS WE'VE SEEN THE

CHANGING STATION AND

SINGLE-STALL BATHROOMS, I

THINK WE'LL SEE THAT RISE.

AND NOW WILL THAT AFFECT

BUILDING CODES?

AND IT CREATES

CONSTRUCTION COSTS, BUT IT

SOLVES THE ISSUE.

Terry: EXACTLY, IF IT

SOLVES THE ISSUE.

LAST NIGHT I WAS A DINNER,

AND WHEN I CAME OUT OF THE

ROOM, THERE WERE SIX

FAMILY BATHROOMS AVAILABLE

TO PEOPLE.

WHEN YOU'RE IN EUROPE,

VERY OFTEN THE STALLED

DOORS GOU FRO GO FROM THE TOP ALL

THE WAY TO THE BOTTOM.

SO PEOPLE WHO ARE PERVERSE

IN THEIR INTENTIONS ARE

GOING TO GET IN THERE NO

MATTER WHAT THE LAW SAYS.

Gordon: RIGHT.

BUT I THINK THERE ARE LAWS

AGAINST THAT.

SO JUST AS THIS MAN IN

NORTHERN VIRGINIA, AND

SOMEBODY WAS ALERT, HEY,

THIS WAS NOT RIGHT.

THEY GO GET A SECURITY

GUARD, AND HE IS ARRESTED.

AND HE IS NOW GOING TO

HAVE TO LIVE WITH THE FACT

THAT HE COMMITTED A SEX

CRIME.

AND HE IS GOING TO BE

IDENTIFIED AND LABELLED

WITH THAT FOR THE REST OF

HIS LIFE.

SO I THINK THE LAWS

ALREADY EXIST TO STOP THAT

BEHAVIOR.

Terry: BUT YOU CAN

SEE THE DILEMMA OF SOMEONE

WHO IS A TRANSGENDER

PERSON.

WHAT DO THEY DO?

REALLY, THEIR LIVES COULD

BE IN PERIL.

Gordon: I KNOW THEY

DON'T WANT MY PITY, BUT I

CAN'T HELP BUT FEEL SORRY

FOR THEM.

WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN

THROUGH, GOING THROUGH,

AND THEN POST SURGERY,

POST-CHANGE, POST-HORMONE,

ACTUALLY, LIFE DOESN'T GET

A WHOLE LOT BETTER FOR

THEM.

I KNOW, AGAIN, THEY DON'T

WANT MY PITY, BUT I DO

FEEL SORRY FOR THEM.

Terry: WELL, IT'S

PUZZLING TO FIGURE OUT HOW

TO DO LIFE WHEN YOU'RE

ALREADY MAKING SOME

CONSIDERABLE PUZZLING

DECISIONS ABOUT HOW YOU'RE

GOING TO -- WHAT YOU'RE

GOING TO LOOK LIKE, AND

HOW YOU'RE GOING TO WALK

THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

I HAVE COMPASSION FOR THE

SITUATION ON THAT SIDE AS

WELL.

YOU KNOW, MUCH OF WHAT

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY

STARTED WITH TWO BILLS

PASSED IN MISSISSIPPI AND

NORTH CAROLINA.

THE LAWS WERE MEANT TO

PROTECT RELIGIOUS

FREEDOMS, BUT THAT IS NOT

THE WAY THEY'RE BEING

PORTRAYED IN OUR

POLITICALLY CORRECT

CULTURE.

HERE IS A SHORT VIDEO FROM

FAMILY RESEARCH COUNCIL

THAT SHOWS HOW BIG

BUSINESS IS SPINNING THIS

CONTROVERSY.

BIG BUSINESS IS ALL UP

IN ARMS ABOUT NEW LAWS

PASSED IN NORTH CAROLINA

AND MISSISSIPPI.

LEADERS OF MAJOR

CORPORATIONS HAVE

DENOUNCED THE PROTECTIONS

FOR WOMEN, CHILDREN,

CHURCHES, AND, YES,

BUSINESSES, TOO.

THEY'RE UPSET BECAUSE IN

NORTH CAROLINA, THEY

CANNOT PUNISH BUSINESSES

FOR HAVE BATHROOMS FOR MEN

ONLY AND WOMEN ONLY.

AND IN MISSISSIPPI, IT

DISCRIMINATES AGAINST

THOSE WHO THINK THAT

MARRIAGE IS BETWEEN AND A

MAN AND A WOMAN.

MANY OF THESE BUSINESSES

ARE DOING BUSINESS IN

COUNTRIES WHERE WOMEN ARE

TREATED AS PROPERTY AND

NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO DRIVE,

IN COUNTRIES WHERE

HOMOSEXUAL BEHAVIOR IS

ILLEGAL, AND EVEN

PUNISHABLE BY DEATH IN

SOME COUNTRIES.

JUST REMEMBER, WHEN IT

COMES TO MORAL AUTHORITY,

THESE CORPORATIONS DON'T

HAVE ANY GROUND TO STAND

ON.

Gordon: TERRY, IT IS

INTERESTING HOW IT CHANGES

BASED ON WHERE YOU'RE

DOING BUSINESS.

AND YOU HAVE ONE STANDARD

FOR MISSISSIPPI AND

ANOTHER STANDARD FOR SAUDI

ARABIA.

I JUST FIND IT

FASCINATING.

I'M REALLY GLAD THEY PUT

THAT OUT BECAUSE IT HOLDS

THEM ACCOUNTABLE.

WHY ARE YOU HAVING A

DOUBLE STANDARD?

Terry: AND THESE ARE

ALL BIG COMPANIES THAT ARE

DOING BUSINESS IN THESE

OTHER PLACES.

THE WORD HYPOCRISY COMES

TO MIND.

WHEREVER THE POCKETBOOK IS

INVOLVED, YOU CAN BE SURE

YOU'LL FIND SOME MEASURE

OF THAT IN THE DECISIONS

CORPORATELY MAKE BY

PEOPLE.

WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON ALL OF

THIS?

Gordon: I DO HAVE A

SPECIFIC TAKE ON THE TWO

LAWS.

IN NORTH CAROLINA, I THINK

THAT LAW IS ULTIMATELY

GOING TO BE CHANGED

BECAUSE IT SAYS YOU HAVE

TO GO TO THE BATHROOM OF

THE GENDER LISTED ON YOUR

BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

AND FOR TRANSGENDERED, I

THINK THAT IS PRETTY CLEAR

THAT IS JUST NOT GOING TO

WORK.

BUT THE LAW IN MISSISSIPPI

IS ONE THAT WE AS

CHRISTIANS ALL NEED TO PAY

ATTENTION TO.

BECAUSE THIS ONE IS

PROTECTING YOUR FREEDOM OF

CONSCIENCE.

THAT IF FOR RELIGIOUS

REASONS, FOR YOUR

CONVICTION, YOU CAN'T

PARTICIPATE IN A GAY

WEDDING, THERE ARE

PROTECTIONS IN THERE FOR

THOSE WHO ARE GETTING

MARRIED THAT IF YOU'RE A

GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL, YOU

HAVE TO PROVIDE A QUICK

AND EASY SOLUTION FOR THEM

TO GET THE LICENSE.

BUT IT EXEMPTS YOU FROM

PARTICIPATING IN THAT

BEHAVIOR.

AND IF YOU'RE A BUSINESS,

YOU DON'T HAVE TO BAKE THE

CAKE KIND OF THING.

IT IS NOT A DENIAL OF

BASIC SERVICES.

WHAT IT IS IS ALLOWING

CHRISTIANS TO LIVE FREE IN

THE UNITED STATES AND LIVE

ACCORDING TO THEIR

CONVICTIONS.

THIS ONE IS COMPLETELY

DIFFERENT THAN THE NORTH

CAROLINA LAW.

AND WE NEED TO WAKE UP TO

THIS ONE.

IT IS A GOOD LAW.

I THINK IT PROVIDES

PROTECTION FOR CHRISTIANS,

PROTECTIONS FOR THE GAY

COMMUNITY AT THE SAME

TIME.

IT IS NOT DENYING ANYBODY

ANYTHING, OTHER THAN

ALLOWING CHRISTIANS TO BE

ABLE TO LIVE FREE IN THE

UNITED STATES AND LIVE

ACCORDING TO THEIR

CONVICTIONS.

Terry: CONSIDERING

THE FACT THAT SOME OF

THESE CHARGES THAT HAVE

BEEN MADE AGAINST BAC BAKERY

OWNERS AND VENUES FOR

WEDDINGS, SEEM -- DON'T

SEEM, THEY OBVIOUSLY ARE

SO DIRECTLY TARGETED WITH

INTENTION IN MIND.

Gordon: I THINK

THEY'RE TARGETED FROM THE

GET-GO.

Terry: ABSOLUTELY.

Gordon: LIKE THE

PIZZA PARLOR IN INDIANA,

IT WAS SUCH A SETUP.

WHO ORDERS PIZZA FOR YOUR

WEDDING?

Terry: IT DOESN'T

HAPPEN.

Gordon: SO THEY GOT

TRAPPED.

I THINK THEY WERE TARGETED

AND THEY GOT TRAPPED WITH

THE WRONG RESPONSE.

Terry: I THINK THEY

ALL GOT TRAPPED.

Gordon: IN OREGON, I

THINK THAT GOVERNMENT

OFFICIAL WANTED TO MAKE AN

EXAMPLE.

THE FINE IS JUST

COMPLETELY OUT-SIZED TO

WHATEVER OFFENSE IS GOING

ON.

Terry: BUT WHEN

SOMETHING IS DELIBERATE,

THERE IS AN INTENTION

BEHIND IT.

WHAT IS THE BIGGER AGENDA

HERE, DO YOU THINK?

Gordon: I'M DISTURBED

BY THE LABELLING OF IT, TO

SAY IT IS A DENIAL OF

BASIC GOODS AND SERVICES.

SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER IF

THESE LAWS GO FORWARD, IT

MEANS GAY PEOPLE CAN BE

DENIED --

Terry: THEY'RE MAKING

IT A PRIVILEGES AS OPPOSED

TO LIVING YOUR CONSCIENCE.

Gordon: AND WE'VE GOT

TO GET THE ARGUMENT BACK

TO WHERE IT IS.

AS INDIVIDUALS IN THE

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,

DO YOU HAVE FREEDOM OF

CONSCIENCE?

YOU WERE GOING TO BE

FORCED TO PARTICIPATE IN

ACTIVITY THAT YOU DON'T

AGREE WITH, THAT YOU THINK

IS IMMORAL?

AND IF THE PRICE OF THAT

IS CAN NO LONGER OPERATE A

BAKERY OR YOU CAN NO

LONGER OPERATE A WEDDING

CHAPEL, THEN THAT'S GOING

TO BE A PRICE CHRISTIANS

ARE GOING TO HAVE TO FACE,

AND DO WE PAY IT?

Terry: AND CANNOT

ONLY NO LONGER OPERATE, ON

TOP OF THAT, YOU'RE FOG TO GOING

TO FACE A HEFTY, HEFT FEE

FINE.

Gordon: I THINK THE

FINES ARE DESIGNED TO

DRIVE YOU OUT OF BUSINESS.

Terry: COMING UP,

HEAR FROM A DESPERATE

WOMAN LIVING AND THE WEST

BANK.

I CANNOT DESCRIBE THE

TERRIBLE THINGS MY HUSBAND

DID TO ME.

HE CONTROLLED ME A LOT.

I DIDN'T FEEL SAFE IN MY

OWN HOUSE.

Terry: SEE HOW YOU

HELPED EMPOWER HER TO

START A NEW LIFE.

THAT'S NEXT.

Gordon: WELL, ACROSS

THE MIDDLE EAST, WOMEN ARE

PRACTICALLY TREATED AS

SECOND-CLASS CITIZENS.

AND COUNTLESS NUMBER OF

THEM ARE TRAPPED IN

ABUSIVE RELATIONSHIPS.

SOME OF THEM DON'T HAVE

THE ABILITY TO MAKE IT ON

THEIR OWN, WHICH IS WHY

"OPERATION BLESSING" SET

UP A NEW TRAINING PROGRAM

JUST FOR THEM.

Reporter: AT A

WOMEN'S EMPOWERMENT CENTER

IN THE WEST BANK, I MET

FABIA.

AT THIS CENTER, SHE AND

THE OTHER LADIES HAVE

LEARNED TO MAKE STUFFED

ANIMALS AND CHILDREN'S

CLOTHES THEY SELL AT LOCAL

CLOTHES.

DID YOU SEE SOMETHING

LIKE THAT SOMEWHERE?

OR DID YOU COME UP WITH

THIS IDEA?

Reporter: FABIA HAS

FOUND HELP HERE AFTER

HARSH AND PAINFUL

DIVORCES.

MY HUSBAND CONTROLLED

ME AND I DIDN'T FEEL SAFE

IN MY OWN HOUSE.

Reporter: IT IS

ACTUALLCULTURALLY UNACCEPTABLE

FOR THEM TO DIVORCE, SO

FABIA STRUGGLED FOR 10

YEARS.

THE DIVORCE WAS VERY

EMOTIONAL.

I EVEN HAD TO GIVE UP MY

FIVE CHILDREN.

Reporter: FABIA'S

FAMILY DISOWNED HER AFTER

THE DIVORCE, AND SHE COULD

NOT FIND A JOB BECAUSE OF

THE DIVORCE.

EVERYBODY DISOWNED ME

AND EVERYBODY SAID BAD

THINGS ABOUT ME.

IT WAS HORRIBLE.

Reporter: THEN FABIA

FOUND THE WOMEN'S CENTER,

WHICH IS SUPPORTED BY

"OPERATION BLESSING."

I LOVED SEEING THE STUFFED

ANIMALS AND CLOTHES THEY

MAKE.

EVERYTHING THEY MAKE HAS

BEEN A BIG HIT AT STORES

ALL OVER THE WEST BANK.

THAT HAS HELPED THESE

LADIES BUILD THEIR

CONFIDENCE.

"OPERATION BLESSING"

REALLY ENCOURAGED ME IN

THE DIRECTION I WAS GOING

IN MY LIFE.

THEY GAVE ME EMOTIONAL

SUPPORT AND HELPED ME TO

LEARN HOW TO BE A DIVORCED

WOMEN IN THIS COUNTRY.

Reporter: THANKS TO

"OPERATION BLESSING,"

FABIA CAN NOW MAKE A

LIVING FOR HERSELF AND SHE

IS GOING TO COLLEGE TO

STUDY GRAPHIC DESIGN.

SHE CAN EVEN AFFORD

SPECIAL DINNERS FOR HER

SONS, SO SHE GETS TO SEE

THEM MORE OFTEN THAN

BEFORE.

I CANNOT THANK

"OPERATION BLESSING"

ENOUGH FOR THIS.

IT IS STRENGTHENS ME TO

KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO

CARE FOR WOMEN LIKE ME.

YOU HELPED ME GET MY FEET

BACK ON THE GROUND.

Gordon: WE WANT TO

HELP PEOPLE, AND WE WANT

TO DO THAT IN INNOVATIVE

WAYS, IMAGINATIVE WAYS,

WAYS THAT MEET THEM RIGHT

AT THEIR POINT OF NEED.

IT IS NOT A HANDOUT.

IT IS A HAND-UP, TO GIVE

THEM DIGNITY, THE DIGNITY

TO EARN A LIVING, TO HAVE

A PLACE, TO HAVE A HOPE

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TERRY?

Terry: WELL, STILL

AHEAD, WHAT'S THE FASTEST

GROWING GROUP IN AMERICA?

THE ANSWER IS PEOPLE WITH

NO RELIGION, ALSO KNOWN AS

THE NUNS.

FIND OUT HOW WE CAN TURN

THIS TREND AROUND WHEN WE

COME BACK.

Terry: AMERICA'S

RELIGIOUS LANDSCAPE IS

CHANGING.

STUDIES SHOW MILLENNIALS

ARE LESS RELIGIOUS THAN

THEIR PARENTS EVER WERE.

AND A NEW GROUP IS SHOWING

A DRAMATIC RISE IN NUMBER.

WE'RE CALLING THEM THE

NUNS.

JENNIFER WISHON EXPLAINS.

*

Jennifer: DESPITE OUR

JUDEO-CHRISTIAN ROOTS,

FEWER AMERICANS ARE

IDENTIFYING AS CHRISTIANS.

WHILE THE NUMBER OF

AMERICANS WITH NO RELIGION

IS GROWING AT A RECORD

PACE.

PEW RESEARCH FIRST

SURVEYED MORE THAN 35,000

AMERICANS ABOUT THEIR

RELIGIOUS VIEWS IN 2007.

THEN REPEATED THE STUDY

SEVEN YEARS LATER.

DURING THAT TIME, THOSE

WHO CALLED THEMSELVES

CHRISTIANS DROPPED NEARLY

8%, DRIVEN BY DECLINES

AMONG MAIN-LINE PROTESTANT

AND CATHOLIC

CONGREGATIONS.

NON-CHRISTIAN FAITHS

INCHED UP JUST OVER 1%.

AT THE SAME TIME, THOUGH,

AMERICANS WHO SAY THEY'RE

ATHEIST, AGNOSTIC OR

SO-CALLED RELIGIOUS NUNS

JUMPED BY MORE THAN 6%,

MAKING THE NUNS NOW NEARLY

23% OF THE POPULATION.

THREE CHRISTIAN U.S.

SENATORS, TWO DEMOCRATS

AND ONE REPUBLICAN,

RECENTLY TALKED ABOUT THIS

CHANGE AND THE ROLE FAITH

PLACPLAYS IN THEIR JOBS AS

ELECTIVE LEADERS.

I STRUGGLED IN 22 YEARS

IN PUBLIC LIFE ON HOW TO

BE A RELIGIOUS PERSON IN

THE WORLD.

THEN WHAT I DECIDED WAS I

SHOULD BE AUTHENTICLY WHO

I AM.

MUCH LIKE I WOULD SHARE

I'M INTERESTED IN THE

KANSAS CITY CHIEFS OR LOVE

BASEBALL AND CAMPING.

OR IF I WOULD SHARE I'M

MARRIED AND HAVE THREE

CHILDREN, WHY WOULDN'T I

SHARE THE MOST IMPORTANT

THING ABOUT ME.

Jennifer: THIS

OKLAHOMA SENATOR SAYS THE

NATION IS BECOMING

INCREASINGLY UNCOMFORTABLE

WITH EXPRESSIONS OF FAITH.

I TELL PEOPLE ALL THE

TIME, FAITH IS FAITH WHEN

IT PERMEATES EVERY PART OF

WHO YOU ARE.

IF YOUR FAITH IS ONLY ON

THE WEEKENDS, THAT'S NOT

REALLY FAITH, I IT IS A

HOBBY.

FAITH AFFECTS HOW I TREAT

EACH OTHER AND HOW I TREAT

MY LIFE.

IT SHOULDN'T BE SOMETHING

I HIDE.

Jennifer: THE

SENATORS AGREE OPEN

DIALOGUE IS CRITICAL.

PEOPLE WILL SAY, YOU'RE

EITHER FOR RELIGIOUS

LIBERTY OR YOU'RE FOR GAY

MARRIAGE.

OR THEY'LL SAY, IF YOU

SUPPORT RELIGIOUS LIBERTY,

THEN YOU'RE ANTI-GAY.

AND THEAP WANT T THEY WANT TO TAKE THAT

AND PULL THAT APART.

THAT'S IS NOT WHO WE ARE

OR WHERE WE HAVE BEEN AS A

NATION.

I THINK IT IS A VERY PRY

PRECARIOUS ROAD OF

RESTRICTING SPEECH.

Jennifer: IT STOPS

IMPORTANT CONVERSATION.

WITH THE GROWTH IN

MILLENNIALS CHOOSING LIFE

WITHOUT FAITH, SENATOR

COONS WORRIES ABOUT

RELIGIOUS LIBERTY AMONG

BELIEVERS.

HE SAYS AN INDIVIDUAL'S

RIGHT TO EXERCISE THEIR

RELIGION MUST BE ON EQUAL

FOOTING WITH LIBERTY.

AS LONG AS WE CAN LIFT

UP THE IMPORTANCE OF FREE

EXERCISE OF RELIGION AS

THE SAME AS LIBERTY, WE'RE

ASKING THE RIGHT

QUESTIONS.

Jennifer: DEVOUT

CHRISTIANS ARE ACTUALLY

READING THEIR BIBLES,

SHARING THEIR FAITH, AND

PRAYING TOGETHER MORE

TODAY THAN SEVEN YEARS

AGO.

SENATOR CANE SAYS WE'RE

BLESSED TO LIVE IN A

COUNTRY WHERE BOTH SIDES

CAN TALK ABOUT THESE

ISSUES CIVILLY.

THAT KEEPS AMERICA AS A

BEACON OF PEACE, APART

FROM OTHER COUNTRIES WHERE

THERE IS NO PEACE.

JENNIFER WISHON, CBN NEWS,

WASHINGTON.

Terry: WE ASKED,

SHOULD THE GROWING NUMBER

OF AMERICANS WITH NO

RELIGION CONCERN

BELIEVERS?

AND MANY OF YOU WEIGHED IN

ON THAT QUESTION.

WAYNE WRITES, "PERHAPS THE

CHURCH SHOULD STOP TRYING

TO LOOK LIKE THE WORLD AND

START LOOKING LIKE

SOMETHING DIFFERENT, LIKE,

I DON'T KNOW, CHRIST,

PERHAPS?

WHY SHOULD THE WORLD

BOTHER WITH CHURCH WHEN IT

IS ANOTHER LAME ROCK

CONCERT WITH A

MOTIVATIONAL SPEAKER AT

THE END."

ERIC SAYS, "I'M FOR THE

REBIRTH OF CHRISTIANITY."

AND DOT WRITES, "WE'RE NOT

LIVING A LIFE TO SHOW THEM

CHRIST AND NOT WITNESSING

OR PRAYING FOR

NON-BELIEVERS."

GORDON, WHAT DO YOU THINK?

Gordon: I THINK WE'RE

IN A GENERAL DECLINE OF

CHRISTIANITY IN NOT JUST

AMERICA, BUT WE'RE

FOLLOWING EUROPE.

Terry: AND YET IN

OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD

IT'S EXPLODING.

Gordon: IT IS

EXPLODING.

BECAUSE THEY ARE COMING TO

UNDERSTAND THAT

CHRISTIANITY AND CHRISTIAN

IDEAS ARE THE WAY OUT.

IT IS THE WAY OUT OF

POVERTY.

IT IS THE WAY OUT OF

CORRUPTION.

IT GIVES A SOCIETY A

FABRIC TO LIVE TOGETHER.

AND THAT'S WHY YOU'RE

SEEING THAT.

AND WITHIN EUROPE, YOU

KNOW, I THINK THERE IS

JUST GENERAL ANGER AT THE

CHURCH.

ANGER THAT YOU'RE MORE

INTERESTED IN MY MONEY

THAN IN ME.

AND I SEE THAT PRETTY MUCH

ALL OVER IN MY TRAVELS.

ITALY, I WAS FRANKLY

AMAZED, THE VISCERAL

REACTION AGAINST IT.

SO WHAT'S THE ANSWER?

THE ANSWER IS WE NEED TO

TAKE COURAGE.

THE CHURCH WAS BIRTHED IN

AN INCREDIBLY HOSTILE

ENVIRONMENT.

AND YOU GO BACK TO ANCIENT

ROME, ANCIENT GREECE, WHAT

WE'RE NOW SEEING STARTING

TO ARISE IN AMERICA IS

NOTHING NEW.

THERE IS NOTHING NEW ABOUT

IT AT ALL.

THESE CULTURAL SHIFTS HAVE

HAPPENED BEFORE.

AND THE ISSUE FOR US IS:

HOW CAN WE BE SALT AND

LIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF A

FALLEN WORLD.

Terry: JUST CURIOUS

TO KNOW YOUR PERSONAL

OPINION.

DO WE HAVE TO GO TO THE

LOSS OF THE COUNTRIES WHO

ARE NOW EXPLODING WITH

CHRISTIANITY TO FIND THE

FAITH WE HAD?

Gordon: NO, I DON'T

THINK WE HAVE TO GO THERE,

BUT WE'RE WELL ON THE WAY.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE LACK

OF PRINCIPLE IN EITHER OUR

GOVERNMENT OR WHAT WE'RE

CURRENTLY CALLING BIG

BUSINESS, THE STOCK MARKET

CRASH OF 2008, WHERE

PEOPLE WERE TRADING

DERIVATIVES THAT THEY KNEW

HAD NO UNDERLYING BASIS.

AND THE OVERALL IMPACT ON

THE ECONOMY -- WHEN YOU

CAN'T TRUST BUSINESS, AND

YOU NO LONGER THINK THAT

THEY OPERATE ON PRINCIPLE,

AND SHARED PRINCIPLE, IT

REALLY TEARS THINGS APART.

SO I THINK WE'RE WAKING UP

TO THAT.

AND WE'RE WAKING UP TO

LACK OF MORALITY LEADS TO

AN OVERALL DECAY.

AND THEN YOU GET INTO LACK

OF TRUST, AND NOW

EVERYTHING IS AT RISK.

Terry: A CHANCE TO BE

LIGHT, THOUGH, AS SAMMY

RODRIGUEZ WOULD SAY,

RIGHT?

Gordon: IT IS MORE

THAN A CHANCE.

IT IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY.

AND IT IS A GREAT

OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW FORTH

HIS LIGHT AND HIS LOVE.

WE JUST NEED TO KEEP IN

MIND, ARE WE SHOWING HIS

LOVE?

ARE WE LOVING ONE ANOTHER?

THAT'S THE KEY FOR THE

CHURCH.

WHERE IS OUR LOVE?

Terry: WE WANT TO

PRAY FOR A REVIVAL IN THIS

COUNTRY.

AND WE'RE ALSO GOING TO

PRAY FOR SOME OF YOU WHO

HAVE REACHED OUT TO US

THROUGH Facebook.

TERESA SAYS, "MY HUSBAND

HAS BEEN LAID OFF TWICE

NOW.

WE NEED THE LORD'S

DIRECTION AND A JOB."

AND RONNIE WRITES, "I AM

BELIEVING GOD FOR A SUPER

NATURAL HEALING FROM

A.L.S.

PLEASE PRAY FOR ME.

I NEED THE POWER OF PRAYER

FROM OTHER BELIEVERS.

THANK YOU."

Gordon: JOIN IN.

LORD, WE JUST LIFT AMERICA

TO YOU RIGHT NOW.

WE LIFT THE NUNS, THE ONES

WHO ARE SAYING, I DON'T

WANT ANY PART OF ORGANIZED

RELIGION.

WE LIFT THEM TO YOU.

AND ASK THAT YOU WOULD

SEND MESSENGERS AFTER YOUR

OWN HEART, TO PREACH THE

GLORIOUS GOOD NEWS, THAT

YOU'RE NOT MAD AT THEM.

YOU'RE NOT ANGRY WITH

THEM.

YOU LOVE THEM INFINITELY.

AND YOU LOVE THEM SO MUCH

YOU WANT THEM WITH YOU FOR

ALL ETERNITY.

AND FOR THESE PRAYER

REQUESTS, FOR A JOB, FOR

HEALING FROM A.L.S., WE

LIFT THEM TO YOU RIGHT

NOW.

AND WE KNOW WHATEVER WE

ASK I IN ACCORDANCE WITH

YOUR WILL, AND IT'S YOUR

WILL TO SEND JOBS, IT'S

YOUR WILL TO HEAL.

WE HAVE WHAT WE ASK, SO WE

RECEIVE IT NOW.

IN JESUS' NAME.

WE BELIEVE FOR IT AND WE

THANK YOU FOR IT.

AMEN.

AND AMEN.

IF YOU NEED PRAYER, WE'RE

HERE FOR YOU.

WE CONSIDER AN ABSOLUTE

HONOR TO PRAY WITH YOU.

AND IF YOU NEED SOMEONE TO

PRAY WITH YOU, ALL YOU

HAVE TO DO IS CALL US:

1-888-777-1999.

HERE IS A VERSE FOR YOU

FROM MATTHEW: "IN THE SAME

WAY, LET YOUR LIGHT SHINE

BEFORE OTHERS, THAT THEY

MAY SEE YOUR GOOD DEEDS

AND GLORIFY YOUR FATHER IN

HEAVEN."

> REMEMBER TO PRAY FOR

AMERICA TODAY.

PRAY FOR A REVIVAL.

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