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Wendy: COMING UP...A
CBN NEWS EXCLUSIVE.
A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE
SAYING DON'T TALK ABOUT
IT.
Wendy: JAMES FORTUNE
MAKES HIS FIRST AND ONLY
INTERVIEW SINCE PLEADING
GUILTY TO DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE.
I'M ONLY HERE FROM MY
OWN CHOICES.
Wendy:
PLUS...CREATING GUNS AND
RUNNING DRUGS, ONE CROOK
HITS THE CROSSROADS.
YOU MAY BE KILLED OR
YOU MAY HAVE TO KILL
SOMEBODY ELSE.
Wendy: ON TODAY'S
"700 CLUB."
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Pat: WELCOME, LADIES
AND GENTLEMEN.
WE'VE GOT AN ELECTION
COMING UP, AND THE TRUTH
IS THE FIRST THING THAT
PEOPLE THINK ABOUT IN THE
ELECTION IS THE ECONOMY.
JOBS, JOBS, JOBS.
HOW ARE YOU BETTER OFF
THAN YOU WERE FOUR YEARS
AGO?
THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE ARE
GOING TO ASK.
AND WHAT IS DRIVING THE
PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE
TODAY?
WELL, IT CENTERS PRIMARILY
IN THE UNITED STATES
ECONOMY.
I'M GOING TO HAVE THE
PRIVILEGE OF TALKING TO
THE MAN WHO IS HELPING TO
CRAFT A NEW FEDERAL TAX
CODE.
Terry: CRITICS SAY
THAT OUR COMPLEX TAX CODE
IS HURTING BUSINESS AND
COSTING JOBS.
NOW REPUBLICANS IN
CONGRESS SAY THEY HAVE A
PLAN TO CHANGE ALL OF
THAT.
ABIGAIL ROBERTSON BRINGS
US THAT STORY FROM
WASHINGTON.
Reporter: OUR ECONOMY
MAY NOT BE GROWING VERY
STRONG, BUT THE LENGTH OF
THE AMERICAN TAX CODE IS.
THE COMPLICATED TAX CODE
IS DIFFICULT TO A COMPLY
WITH.
IT I INCLUDES THE HIGHEST
BUSINESS TAX AMONG MAJOR
COUNTRIES.
EXPERTS ARGUE THAT THE
GOVERNMENT COULD SOLVE
BOTH PROBLEMS AT ONCE BY
REFORMING THE ALMOST
75,000 PAGE TAX CODE AND A
NEWER, STREAMLINED TAX
SYSTEM COULD HELP THE
ECONOMY COME BACK AND
CREATE MORE JOBS.
THE CURRENT U.S. TAX
CODE IS WRITTEN LIKE IT
WAS PRODUCED BY OUR
ECONOMIC ADVERSARIES, WHO
ARE TRYING TO UNDERMINE
OUR AMERICA ECONOMY.
IT WORKS AGAINST AMERICA.
WE TACKS WHA TAX WHAT WE PRODUCE IN
THIS COUNTRY, AND WE DON'T
TAX WHAT WITH IMPORT.
Reporter: STEVEN
MOORE, AN ECONOMIC ADVISOR
FOR THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN,
SAYS IT TIME TO GET RID OF
ALL OF THE JUNK IN THE TAX
SYSTEM AND MAKE IT SIMPLE.
HAVE A POSTCARD TAX
RETURN, HOW MUCH DID YOU
MAKE, PAY A CERTAIN
PERCENTAGE FOR THAT.
MAYBE AN ALLOWANCE FOR HOW
MANY KIDS YOU HAVE AND HOW
BIG YOUR FAMILY.
BUT ALL OF THE TAX BREAKS
FOR INVESTING IN WINDMILLS
AND ALL OF THIS OTHER
STUFF -- LET'S JUST GET
RID OF THAT.
Reporter: NOW
CONGRESSIONAL REPUBLICANS
HAVE DEVELOPED A TAX
REFORM PLAN THEY SAY WILL
MAKE THE TAX CODE SIMPLER
AND STRENGTHEN THE
ECONOMY.
MOORE BELIEVES WITH A
BETTER TAX CODE, THE
ECONOMY COULD GROW 3% TO
4% A YEAR, WHICH IS FAR
BETTER THAN THE 1% TO 2%
UNDER PRESIDENT OBAMA.
IT WOULD ADD MILLIONS OF
JOBS IN THE MARKET AND
LEAD TO HIGHER PAYCHECKS.
REPORTING FROM WASHINGTON,
ABIGAIL ROBERTSON, CBN
NEWS.
Pat: JOINING US TO
TAKTALK A VERY CREATIVE
REPUBLICAN PLAN FOR
SIMPLIFYING THE TAX CODE
IS CONGRESSMAN BRADY.
IT IS A PLEASURE TO HAVE
YOU WITH US TODAY.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
GOOD MORNING, PAT,
THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
Pat: I WANT TO ASK
YOU THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW.
HAS IT CLEARED THE WAYS
AND MEANS COMMITTEE?
HAS IT CLEARED THE HOUSE?
WHAT IS THE STATUS OF THAT
BILL RIGHT NOW?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE JUST UNVEILED THE
BLUEPRINT ON FRIDAY.
AND WHAT WE'RE LYING OUT
IS A VERY PRO-FAMILY,
PRO-GROWTH TAX CODE, THAT
ALSO BUSTS UP THE I.R.S.
THE GOAL HERE IS TO CREATE
MORE JOBS HERE IN THE
LOCAL ECONOMY.
IT IS TO SIMPLIFY THE
CODE, TO MAKE IT SO FAIR
AND SIMPLE, IT ACTUALLY
CAN BE FILED ON A POSTCARD
FOR MOST AMERICANS.
AND THEN WE WANT TO MAKE
SURE THAT WE BUST UP THE
I.R.S. SO THIS IS ACTUALLY
WORKING FOR AMERICANS, NOT
AGAINST US.
AND IF WE DO THAT, ONE,
THINK WE CAN GET RID OF
THE SECOND-RATE ECONOMY,
WHERE SO MANY SALARIES ARE
FLAT, WHERE MILLIONS OF
QUALIFIED WORKERS CAN'T
FIND FULL-TIME JOBS, AND
AMERICA KEEPS FALLING
BEHIND.
WE GET WEAKER AND OUR
FOREIGN COMPETITORS GET
STRONGER.
WE WANT TO DO THE
OPPOSITE.
THIS IS VERY MUCH A
PRO-AMERICAN TAX CODE AS
WELL.
Pat: I LOVE WHAT
YOU'RE DOING.
LET'S START WITH BUSINESS.
APPARENTLY AMERICA HAS THE
HIGHEST TAX.
WHEN THEY GET THROUGH
PAYING THE FEDERAL TAX,
THEY HAVE TO PAY STATE
TAXES, AND WE HAVE BECOME
THE HIGHEST TAXED COUNTRY
IN THE WORLD.
WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH
BUSINESS TAXES, FOR
STARTERS?
YEAH.
ONE, WE MAKE SURE
WASHINGTON TAKES LESS OF
WHAT OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES
EARN SO THEY CAN INVEST IN
THE LOCAL ECONOMY, RATHER
THAN SEND THEIR MONEY AND
GROW WASHINGTON'S ECONOMY.
SO WE PROPOSE THE LOWEST
BUSINESS RATES IN MORE
THAN 100 YEARS FOR
BUSINESSES, WHETHER
THEY'RE LARGE OR SMALL,
FAMILY-OWNED OR
CORPORATION, BECAUSE WE
KNOW THAT IS THE KEY TO
GROWTH.
THE OTHER THING IS, FOR
THE FIRST TIME WE STOPPED
TAXING AMERICAN BUSINESSES
HERE AT HOME AND THEN
UNDER THE CURRENT LAW, WE
TAX THEM, WHEN THEY
COMPETE AROUND THE WORLD,
AND TRY TO BRING THOSE
PROFITS HOME AND INVEST IN
OUR LOCAL AREAS -- WE'RE
THE ONLY COUNTRY THAT
TAXES THEM.
WE STOPPED DOING THEM.
AND WE STOPPED TAXING WHAT
IS MADE IN AMERICA, AND WE
TAX THE IMPORTS THAT ARE
COMING IN.
SO FOR THE FIRST TIME, OUR
"MADE IN AMERICA" PRODUCTS
WILL BE COMPETITIVE HERE
AND AROUND THE WORLD.
AND WE'RE REMOVING EVERY
INCENTIVE FOR A COMPANY TO
MOVE THEMSELVES, THEIR
MANUFACTURING, OR THEIR
JOBS TO SOME OTHER
COUNTRY.
SO THIS IS VERY STRONGLY
IN SUPPORT OF MORE JOBS
HERE IN OUR COUNTRY.
Pat: THE CURRENT TAX
CODE, YOU'VE GOT ONE TYPE
OF TAX FOR CORPORATIONS.
AND THEN THERE ARE
PARTNERSHIPS AND OTHER
CORPORATE FORMS OF
BUSINESS.
ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE THEM
THE SAME?
IS THAT THE IDEA IN THIS
NEW TAX PLAN?
YEAH, THEY'RE VERY
CLOSE.
IN FACT, WE CUT TAXES FOR
BOTH CORPORATIONS AND THEN
THE OTHER IS WHAT WE CALL
MOM AND POPS, OR
PARTNERSHIPS, AS YOU SAID.
WE CUT THOSE RATES TO THE
LOWEST IN NEARLY 100 YEARS
AS WELL BECAUSE WE THINK
IT IS IMPORTANT THAT THOSE
JOBS AND THOSE BUSINESSES
GROW AS WELL.
AND WE DO THAT -- AGAIN,
THERE ARE A LOT OF FIRST FIRSTS
IN HISTORY IN O OUR PAST.
IBILL, THE LOCAL PRINTER
HAS HAD TO PAY HIGHER
RATES, AND WE LOWER THE
RATES DRAMATICALLY FOR OUR
LOCAL BUSINESSES.
AND WE ALLOW THEM TO WRITE
OFF FROM THEIR TAXES,
IMMEDIATELY, ALL OF THAT
NEW EQUIPMENT, THE
BUILDING AND THE NEW
TRUCKS, THE OIL WELL THEY
CREATED, THE NEW
MANUFACTURING PLANT -- WE
ALLOW THEM TO IMMEDIATELY,
IN AN UNLIMITED WAY, WRITE
OFF THOSE INVESTMENTS.
THAT MAY, DR. ROBERTSON,
MAY BE THE MOST PRO-JOBS
PART OF THIS BLUEPRINT.
Pat: SO THERE WON'T
BE AN EXPENSE OVER THE
YEARS -- IT IS AN
IMMEDIATE WRITEOFF OF
INVESTMENT.
THAT'S A TREMENDOUS JOB
CREATOR.
IT REALLY IS.
Pat: THE TAX CODE IS
JUST RIDDLED WITH
EXCEPTIONS.
THE LOBBYISTS HAVE BEEN AT
IT FOR YEARS, AND THEY
HAVE LITTLE CUTOUTS AND
CARVEOUTS FOR
PRIVILEGES -- YOU'RE DOING
AWAY WITH A LOT OF THAT?
WE REALLY ARE.
SINCE PRODUCT REAGAN
REFORMED THE CODE -- WHAT
SMALL BUSINESSES CAN KEEP
UP WITH THIS?
THE ANSWER IS NO ONE.
WE BASICALLY GO ALL IN FOR
GROWTH ON JOBS.
AND FOR FAMILIES, WE GO
ALL IN FOR SIMPLICITY.
WE'VE BEEN LISTENING.
THE AMERICAN PUBLIC HAS
SAID, WHY CAN'T WE HAVE A
TACKTAX CODE THAT IS SO SIMPLE
THAT IT CAN FIT ON A
POSTCARD.
AND WASHINGTON SAYS IT
CAN'T HAPPEN.
WE ARE PROPOSING THAT.
WE THINK THE AMERICAN
PUBLIC IS GOING TO SPEAK
OUT IN SUPPORT OF THAT
SIMPLE, FAIR APPROACH.
Pat: THERE IS ONE
THING IN THE CODE CALLED
"THE DEATH TAX," AND I
UNDERSTAND YOU'RE TALK
TAKING THATAKINGTHAT AWAY?
YES.
I LEAD THE COALITION IN
WASHINGTON TO END THE
DEATH TAX.
SO FOR THE FIRST TIME
SINCE IT WAS ESTABLISHED
IN 1916, WE PERMANENTLY --
IT IS THE MOST IMMORAL TAX
ON THE BOOKS.
IT HITS THE WRONG PEOPLE
AT THE WRONG TIME FOR THE
WRONG REASONS.
IT IS THE NUMBER ONE
REASON FAMILY-OWNED FARMS
AND BUSINESSES AREN'T
PASSED DOWN TO THEIR KIDS
AND GRANDKIDS.
SO WE END IT.
WHICH I THINK FOR A LOT OF
AMERICANS IS GOING TO BE A
BIG SIGH OF RELIEF.
Pat: I CAN HEAR A
SHOUT OF PRAISE GOING
FORWARD FROM THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE ON THIS TAX PLAN.
WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE
FATE WHEN IT HITS
CONGRESS?
WILL IT PASS THE SENATE?
THAT'S WHAT YOU'VE GOT TO
DO.
YEAH.
WELL, WE'RE STARTING WITH
THE AMERICAN PUBLIC.
AND THE POINT HOUSE
REPUBLICANS ARE MAKING IS,
THIS IS NOT OUR TAX CODE.
THIS IS YOURS, AMERICA.
SO IF YOU WANT MORE JOBS,
SPEAK UP.
IF YOU WANT A SIMPLE AND
FAIR POSTCARD SYSTEM,
SPEAK UP.
IF YOU NO LONGER WANT TO
FEAR THE I.R.S., SPEAK UP.
BECAUSE THE ONLY WAY WE
CAN MAKE SUCH
GAME-CHANGING REFORMS AND
TO REALLY BLOW THROUGH ALL
OF THE WASHINGTON SPECIAL
INTERESTS IS IF AMERICANS
SPEAK UP.
I'M CONFIDENT IT WILL BE
SUPPORTED BY HOUSE
REPUBLICANS, AND WE INTEND
TO LISTEN TO THE AMERICAN
PUBLIC THROUGH THE REST OF
THE YEAR AS WE FINISH
WRITING THIS.
WE INTEND UNDER OUR
SPEAKER, PAUL RYAN, TO
HOLD A VOTE TO ADVANCE
THIS TAX REFORM.
IT WOULD BE INCREDIBLY
HELPFUL IF WE HAD A
REPUBLICAN SENATE AND A
REPUBLICAN WHITE HOUSE TO
SIGN THIS BILL.
Pat: DONALD TRUMP
COULD WIN RUNNING ON A
PLATFORM LIKE THIS.
IS HE ON BOARD YET?
OR HAS ANYBODY TALKED TO
HIM?
YEAH -- NOT YET.
BUT WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO
HIS TAX ADVISORS, WHO ARE
VERY MUCH SUPPORTIVE OF
THE PRO-GROWTH, PRO-FAMILY
TYPE OF APPROACH WE'RE
TAKING.
SO I THINK IT WOULD BE
TERRIFIC IF REPUBLICANS
AND OUR NOMINEE,
MR. TRUMP, WERE UNITED
BEHIND ONE MAJOR TAX
REFORM.
I THINK IT WOULD SEND THE
RIGHT SIGNAL, AND
CERTAINLY MAKE IT HARDER
TO DIVIDE THE PARTY ON
THIS.
Pat: WHAT WOULD YOU
LIKE OUR AUDIENCE TO DO?
PEOPLE ARE WATCHING, AND
IF THEY'RE LIKE ME,
THEY'RE SAYING THIS IS A
TREMENDOUS TAX PLAN.
HOW ARE THEY GOING TO GET
THEIR VOICES ACROSS?
SPEAK OUT.
DR. ROBERTSON, YOU'RE SO
GOOD AT THIS.
HAVE THEM SPEAK OUT.
HAVE THEM CALL OR E-MAIL
OR TEXT THEIR LOCAL
CONGRESSMAN OR SENATOR,
AND TELL THEM, WE WANT
THAT POSTCARD.
WE WANT THAT PRO-FAMILY
TAX REFORM.
ACT ON IT NOW.
I THINK, AGAIN, THE ONLY
WAY WE CAN PREVAIL IS THAT
THE AMERICAN PUBLIC HAS A
SAY IN THIS TAX COLD, AND
THEY USE THEIR VOICE,
STARTING THIS MORNING.
Pat: CONGRESSMAN, I
APPLAUD YOU ON WHAT YOU'RE
DOING AND YOUR COLLEAGUES.
I HOPE THIS SAILS THROUGH
THE CONGRESS AND IT GETS
TO BE A VETO-PROOFED
MAJORITY.
MAYBE THE PRESIDENT WILL
SIGN IT.
BUT WE'LL SEE.
THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'RE
DOING.
THANK YOU, DOCTOR.
IT'S MY PLEASURE.
Pat: KEVIN BRADY, HE
REPRESENTS THE HOUSTON
AREA OF TEXAS.
Terry: I WANT TO
RAISE MY VOICE.
HALLELUJAH.
Pat: REALLY.
THIS IS FANTASTIC.
Terry: OH OH, MY WORD.
THIS IS LONG OVERDUE.
Pat: THEY HAVE
CAREFULLY LOOKED AT IT.
AND THESE ARE THE PEOPLE
WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO WRITE
THE TAX LAW.
IT IS THE HOUSE WAYS AND
MEANS COMMITTEE, ACCORDING
TO THE CONSTITUTION.
Terry: SOME OF THE
WAY WE HAVE GOTTEN TO THE
PLACE WE ARE TODAY,
NEGATIVELY, BECAUSE WE
HAVEN'T RAISED OUR VOICE.
SO HERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY.
Pat: THE LOBBYISTS
HAVE RAISED THEIR VOICES
BECAUSE THEY'RE IN WITH
THE BIG DONORS AND THEY
PEEL OUT THE CASH.
YOU'VE GOT TO GIVE US THIS
CUTOUT -- THE IDEA YOU CAN
EXPENSE ALL OF THE NEW
INVESTMENTS YOU MAKE IN A
COMPANY, THAT'S
INCREDIBLE.
CORPORATIONS,
PARTNERSHIPS, ALL OF THE
OTHER TYPES OF BUSINESS
FORMATIONS, ACCORDING TO
THAT, WILL BE TAXED THE
SAME.
AND THE LOWEST CORPORATE
TAX IN 100 YEARS, 20%.
IT'S WONDERFUL.
IT WILL STIMULATE THE
ECONOMY DRAMATICALLY AND
CREATE THOUSANDS OF JOBS.
Terry: EVERYBODY GETS
BLESSED BY THAT ONE.
Pat: I LOVE IT.
OKAY.
Terry: OKAY.
WELL, COMING UP, A CBN
NEWS EXCLUSIVE, FOR THE
FIRST TIME PUBLICLY,
GOSPEL RECORDING ARTIST
JAMES FORTUNE TALKS ABOUT
ASSAULTING THIS WIFE.
I DID PUT MY HANDS ON
HER.
I DID PHYSICALLY RESTRAIN
HER AND REMOVE HER FROM MY
ROOM.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, I
WAS THE PERPETRATOR AND
THE ABUSER.
Terry: CANDID
REVELATIONS FROM THIS
POPULAR PERFORMER WHEN WE
COME BACK.
Pat: WELL, YOU'RE
WATCHING "THE 700 CLUB."
WE'RE HAPPY TO BE WITH
YOU.
WE'VE GOT A WHOLE LOT OF
THINGS FOR YOU TODAY, SO
STAY TUNED.
> WELL, THIS GUY HAD
BEEN AT THE TOP OF THE
GOSPEL MUSIC CHARTS.
BUT A FEW MONTHS AGO,
SINGER JAMES FORTUNE PUT
HIS CAREER AT RISK: HE
FACED THE JUDGE AND PLED
GUILTY TO ASSAULTING HIS
WIFE.
NOW FORTUNE IS OPENING UP
ABOUT THE INCIDENT IN THIS
EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW.
HE TOLD EFREM GRAHAM THAT
HE HOPES THIS WILL START A
MUCH-NEEDED CONVERSATION
ABOUT DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN
THE CHURCH.
*
* HOLD ON
Efrem: JAMES
FORTUNE'S MUSIC HAS TOPPED
THE GOSPEL CHARTS FOR MORE
THAN A DECADE.
MINISTRY WAS MY LIFE.
IT'S ALL I'VE KNOWN.
I STARTED PLAYING THE
DRUMS AT FIVE YEARS OLD.
Efrem: FORTUNE IS A
PREACHER'S KID FROM
HOUSTON, TEXAS.
HE HAS RECORDED SEVEN
ALBUMS, EARNED TWO GRAMMY
NOMINATIONS, AND PERFORMED
FOR PACKED CROWDS AROUND
THE WORLD.
BUT IN MARCH, THIS SINGER
AND SONGWRITER TRADED
THOSE VENUES FOR THIS
COURTROOM, WHERE HE
PLEADED GUILTY TO
ASSAULTING HIS WIFE.
Efrem: YOU'VE BEEN
GIVEN FIVE YEARS
PROBATION --
YES.
Efrem: YOU SPENT FIVE
DAYS IN JAIL.
WHAT WERE FIVE DAYS IN
JAIL LIKE FOR YOU,
MINISTER OF MUSIC?
I HAD A LOT OF TIME TO
THINK.
I MINISTERED IN PRISONS.
WE'VE GONE TO PRISONS,
MAXIMUM SECURITY PRISONS,
AND SHARED THE GOSPEL AND
MINISTERED.
AND HERE I AM AS AN INMATE
MYSELF.
Efrem: AND YOU DID
100 HOURS OF COMMUNITY
SERVICE?
I'M STILL DOING IT.
Efrem: WHAT DOES THAT
INVOLVE?
PICKING UP TRASH,
WHATEVER THE CITY NEEDS,
IT IS NOT CHILLING.
Efrem: JAMES AND HIS
WIFE, CHERYL, ARE LEGALLY
SEPARATED AND CAN HAVE NO
CONTACT FOR THE NEXT FIVE
YEARS.
SHE ISN'T SPEAKING
PUBLICLY, BUT ISSUED THIS
STATEMENT TO HIM IN COURT:
"I HOPE IN ALL OF THIS,
YOU GET HELP, SERIOUS
HELP.
ALTHOUGH THIS PROBATION
MIGHT BE LIKE A SLAP ON
THE WRIST, I HOPE YOU LOOK
AT IT AS A MOMENT TO
BETTER YOURSELF AND CHANGE
SOMETHING WITHIN YOU FOR
YOUR FUTURE."
> IN TERMS OF WHAT
HAPPENED, THERE ARE
REPORTS THAT YOU THREW HER
AGAINST A WALL, HIT HER
WITH A STOOL, THREW HER
OUT OF THE HOUSE.
WERE THERE ANY BROKEN
BONES?
THERE WERE NO BROKEN
BONES.
THERE WERE NO INTERNAL
INJURIES.
THERE WAS NO BROKEN
PELVIS.
THOSE REPORTS ARE FALSE.
HER BEING BEATEN WITH A
STOOL IS FALSE.
I DID PUT MY HANDS ON HER.
I DID PHYSICALLY RESTRAIN
HER AND REMOVE HER FROM MY
ROOM.
A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE
SAYING, DON'T TALK ABOUT
IT.
KIND OF JUST LET IT GO.
LET PEOPLE FORGET ABOUT
IT, HOPEFULLY, AND MOVE ON
WITH YOUR LIFE.
BUT AS I WAS PRAYING, MY
SPIRIT DIDN'T SIT WELL
WITH ME.
AND GOD WAS, LIKE, I WANT
YOU TO SHARE YOUR STORY
BECAUSE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE
IS SOMETHING THE CHURCH
DOESN'T TALK ABOUT.
I'M SAYING, I WAS A
PERPETRATOR OF DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE.
I WAS AN ABUSER IN MORE
WAYS THAN ONE.
I BELIEVE THAT'S HOW GOD
IS HEALING ME.
Efrem: INSTEAD OF
JUST BELIEVING AND
PRAYING, JAMES IS FULLY
INVOLVED IN THE HEALING.
SINCE THE 2014 ASSAULT, HE
HAS BEEN IN THERAPY, AND
ALLOWED OUR CAMERAS TO
FOLLOW HIM TO A MEETING.
I'VE LEARNED A LOT MORE
NOW SINCE I'VE BEEN IN
THERAPY FOR ALMOST 18
MONTHS.
I THOUGHT DOM DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE WAS IF YOU HIT OR
SLAP YOUR WIFE.
BUT I FOUND OUT THERE ARE
18 FORMS OF ABUSE, AND
ONLY ONE OF THEM IS
PHYSICAL.
IT DIDN'T START WITH
PHYSICAL.
THAT NIGHT, THAT'S WHAT
CAUSED ME TO BE ARRESTED,
OBVIOUSLY, BUT THERE WERE
OTHER FORMS OF ABUSE THAT
WAS A PERPETRATOR OF.
INTIMIDATION, MALE
PRIVILEGE.
Efrem: YOU'RE
CERTAINLY NOT A VICTIM IN
ALL OF THIS, BUT WHAT ALL
HAVE YOU LOST AS A RESULT
OF THIS?
YOU CAN'T EVEN PUT A
NUMBER ON IT.
EVEN NOW THERE ARE SO MANY
CHURCHES WHO DON'T WANT ME
IN THEIR CHURCH.
THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE
ANYTHING TO DO WITH MY
MUSCULAMINISTRY.
A LOT OF CONCERTS WERE
CANCELLED.
AND WHO KNOWS THE CONCERTS
THAT WERE POTENTIALLY
THERE WHERE PEOPLE SAY,
YOU KNOW WHAT, WE CAN'T
HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH
THAT NAME.
BUT THAT HASN'T BEEN MY
FOCUS.
THERE WAS A TIME WHEN I
DIDN'T EVEN THINK I WOULD
GET TO THIS PLACE TO FEEL
THE WAY I FEEL NOW.
THERE IS A PLACE WHERE IT
SEEMED LIKE THERE WAS NO
LIGHT AT THE END OF THE
TUNNEL.
Efrem: YOU WERE
SUICIDAL?
I STARTED OFF TAKING
ANTIDEPRESSANTS JUST TO
HELP ME SLEEP BECAUSE I
HADN'T BEEN GETTING ANY
SLEEP.
I WAS TAKING THEM TO
BASICALLY JUST GET SOME
REST.
I STARTED FEELING SO
GUILTY FOR WHAT I HAD DID,
BAD CHOICES I MADE IN MY
LIFE.
I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE I HAD
ANYTHING TO LIVE FOR.
Efrem: YOU HAVE A
BOTTLE OF PILLS THAT
YOU'RE THINKING I'M GOING
TO TAKE AND JUST END IT
ALL.
YEAH.
Efrem: WHAT STOPPED
YOU?
SO MANY PEOPLE WERE
PRAYING FOR ME.
MANY PASTORS AND CHRISTIAN
LEADERS AROUND THE COUNTRY
AND THE AROUND THE WORLD
WERE REACHING OUT TO ME.
BUT YOU GET TO THE POINT
WHERE YOU'RE, LIKE, I
DON'T EVEN DESERVE
FORGIVENESS.
I'M OUT OF THE REACH OF
GRACE.
FOR ME, PERSONALLY, IT WAS
REMEMBERING MY
GRANDMOTHER'S PRAYERS,
PRAYING FOR ME AS A BOY.
AND GOD TOLD ME SOMETHING,
HE SAID, JAMES, PRAYERS
DON'T EXPIRE.
Efrem: WHAT HAS BEEN
THE MOST DIFFICULT PART?
FOR ME THE MOST
DIFFICULT PART IS THE
SEPARATION FROM MY FAMILY,
EVEN MY CHILDREN, TO NOT
KNOW EXACTLY WHY THEIR
FATHER IS NOT AROUND AS
MUCH AS HE USED TO BE.
AND TRYING TO EXPLAIN THAT
TO THEM AND LET THEM KNOW
THAT I JUST MADE A
HORRIBLE CHOICE.
Efrem: FORTUNE SPENT
SIX MONTHS SEPARATED FROM
HIS FOUR CHILDREN.
THESE DAYS HE IS WITH THEM
AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK.
YOU POSTED ON SOCIAL
MEDIA, PLEASE PRAY THAT
DURING THIS PROCESS THAT
GOD CONTINUES TO PERFECT
AND RESTORE ME SO THAT
I'LL BECOME A BETTER MAN,
FATHER, AND CHRISTIAN.
YEAH.
Efrem: WHAT HAS THIS
PROCESS BEEN LIKE?
I'M GOING TO BE HONEST,
THE PROCESS HAS BEEN VERY,
VERY BEYOND MY
EXPECTATIONS.
MY EYES HAVE BEEN OPENED.
YEAH, IT STARTED OUT
ROUGH.
YEAH, I WAS SUICIDAL AND I
DIDN'T THINK I HAD
ANYTHING TO LIVE FOR,
DIDN'T THINK MY LIFE HAD
ANYMORE PURPOSE, YOU KNOW,
IT'S OVER, BUT TO SEE HOW
GOD IS ABLE TO KEEP ME.
EVERY DAY I KEPT GOING TO
SLEEP AND WAKING UP,
BELIEVING THAT CHANGE IS
GOING TO COME.
AS I SHARED WITH OTHER
PEOPLE WOULD GOD HAS BEEN
DOING IN MY LIFE, SO MANY
OTHER PEOPLE ARE REACHING
OUT.
AND SO MANY WOMEN ARE
SAYING, WE ALWAYS HEAR THE
VICTIMS TALK, BUT WE NEVER
HERE THE PERPETRATOR SPEAK
ABOUT WHERE THIS COMES
FROM AND WHY THIS HAPPENS,
AND HOW IT IS NOT THEIR
FAULT.
SO THE PROCESS HAS BEEN
SOMETHING THAT I WOULD SAY
WAS NECESSARY.
Efrem: AND THERE IS
STILL MORE WORK AHEAD FOR
JAMES FORTUNE AND HIS
FAMILY.
AND HOPEFULLY SOME DAY --
THIS KEEPS ME GOING.
Efrem: -- MORE MUSIC.
EFREM GRAHAM, CBN NEWS,
HOUSTON, TEXAS.
Pat: IT IS AN AMAZING
STORY.
YOU KNOW, MY TAKE ON
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IS WE
OUGHT TO HAVE ZERO
TOLERANCE FOR IT.
I THINK FOR A MAN TO BEAT
UP A WOMAN -- AND THEY DO
THAT IN SOME OF THESE
MUSLIM COUNTRIES.
THEY HAVE PERMISSION TO
BEAT THEIR WIVES.
THAT'S IN THEIR HOLY
BOOKS, THAT A MAN MAY BEAT
HIS WIFE.
I JUST DON'T BELIEVE THAT.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT.
I THINK WE'RE EQUAL
PARTNERS TOGETHER IN THE
THINGS OF THE LORD.
AND THE WIFE IS SUPPOSED
TO BE GIVEN HONOR AS THE
WEAKER VESSEL.
BUT WIVES CAN BEAT UP ON
HUSBANDS, TOO.
AND SOMETIMES IT IS
SUBTLE, AND SOMETIMES IT
IS OVERT.
WE DON'T LOOK AT THE WOMEN
BATTERERS, BUT THERE ARE
PLENTY OUT THERE.
Terry: SADLY, BY THE
TIME THIS ISSUE COMES TO
LIFE, THERE IS PROBABLY A
LOT OF WATER THAT HAS GONE
OVER THE DAM.
WHAT I SEE IN THIS MAN IS
HUMILITY, TO NOT POINT HIS
FINGER AT HIS WIFE OR EVEN
OTHERS IN HIS PAST, BUT TO
SAY, LORD, WHAT DO YOU
NEED ME TO DO?
Pat: WHO KNOWS WHAT
HAPPENS WHEN SOMEBODY IS A
LITTLE KID, HOW THEY GET
ABUSED BY THEIR PARENTS
AND THEIR FATHERS, MAYBE
OTHER SIBLINGS.
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT
RESENTMENT IS BUILT UP.
IT JUST BEGINS TO BUBBLE
OUT.
AND THE PERSON CLOSEST TO
THEM IS THEIR SPOUSE.
WHEN THEY'RE BEHIND CLOSED
DOORS, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN
THIS RAGE BUILDS UP.
IN MY OPINION, ZERO
TOLERANCE.
AND HELP, YES.
FORGIVENESS, YES.
REHABILITATION, YES.
BUT ZERO TOLERANCE.
TERRY?
Terry: UP NEXT, A
DRUG-DEALING GUN RUNNER
WITH A DEADLY DILEMMA.
THERE IS NO WINNING ON
EITHER DECISION.
TODAY YOU MAY BE KILLED OR
YOU MAY HAVE TO KILL
SOMEBODY ELSE.
IT'S HORRIBLE.
Terry: HEAR HOW HIS
DILEMMA WAS FINALLY
RESOLVED BY A VOICE FROM
INSIDE A PRISON CELL.
Pat: WELL, YOU'RE
WATCHING "THE 700 CLUB."
THANKS FOR BEING WITH US.
WILLIE LAMONACO THOUGHT HE
WAS GOING CRAZY.
THIS COLD-BLOODED GUN
RUNNER KEPT HEARING A
VOICE INSIDE HIS PRISON
CELL, TELLING HIM OVER AND
OVER TO DO ONE THING.
LOUIE HAD ABSOLUTELY NO
PEACE, DAY OR NOT, UNTIL
HE AGREED TO DO IT.
YOU'VE GOT TO BE
TRUSTWORTHY.
YOU'VE GOT TO BE NOT A
SNITCH.
YOU'VE GOT TO BE TOUGH.
Reporter: GROWING UP
ON THE STREETS OF
BAKERSFIELD, CALIFORNIA,
LOUIE DIDN'T CARE WHAT HE
HAD TO DO TO GET ACCEPTED.
YOU'VE GOT TO BE
WILLING TO DO SOME THINGS
THAT MAYBE OTHER GUYS
AREN'T WILLING TO DO,
THAT'S THE PART OF
CLIMBING UP THE LADDER.
WHEN YOU SHOW THAT, YOU
START GETTING FAVOR AND
TRUST.
Reporter: HIS FATHER
LEFT WHEN HE WAS ONE.
BY THE TIME HE WAS IN HIGH
SCHOOL, SEVERAL
STEPFATHERS MADE THEIR WAY
IN AND OUT OF HIS LIFE.
NONE OF THEM SHOWED ANY
AFFECTION.
IT WAS THE MALE FIGURE
COMING INTO MY LIFE AND
THEN LEAVING.
AT ONE POINT, YOU SAY, I'M
GOING TO PUT UP A WALL.
Reporter: THAT CAME
ON CHRISTMAS, WHEN HE WAS
15 YEARS OLD.
AND MY THIRD
STEPFATHER, WHO HAD BEEN
IN THE HOUSE THE LONGEST
AT THIS POINT, CAME AND
GAVE MY SISTER A CHRISTMAS
PRESENT AT MY AUNT'S HOUSE
AND DIDN'T GIVE ME
ANYTHING AND DIDN'T
ACKNOWLEDGE ME AT ALL,
AFTER WE HAD BEEN TOGETHER
NINE YEARS.
THAT WAS THE DAY I SAID,
IT DOESN'T EVEN MATTER
WHAT HAPPENS TO ME
ANYMORE.
Reporter: SO LOUIE
DROPPED OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL
AND STARTED HUSTLING,
STEALING, AND DEALING
DRUGS FOR MONEY.
BY HIS EARLY 20s, HE HAD
A LENGTH CRIMINAL RECORD
THAT INCLUDED ROBBERY,
ASSAULT, AND DEALING
DRUGS.
HE ALSO HAD MONEY, STREET
CREDIBILITY, AND THE
RESPECT OF GANG MEMBERS.
BUT HE SAYS SOMETHING WAS
MISSING.
YOU HAVE MONEY, YOU
HAVE NICE CARS, AND AS YOU
PUT ON THIS FRONT OF YOU
MIGHT BE TOUGH, BUT INSIDE
YOU'RE EMPTY.
Reporter: TRYING TO
FILL A VOID, LOUIE FOUND A
WAY TO MAKE MORE MONEY
RUNNING GUNS ACROSS STATE
LINES IN EXCHANGE FOR
DRUGS.
BUT WITH EACH DEAL, HE
THOUGHT MORE AND MORE
ABOUT THE COST HE WOULD
ULTIMATELY PAY.
I HAD TO SIT BACK AND
SAY, NOW THIS COULD GO
BAD, AND HOW AM I GOING TO
MAKE SURE I'M NOT GOING TO
GET KILLED TODAY.
THERE IS NO WINNING ON
EITHER DECISION.
TODAY YOU MAY BE KILLED OR
YOU MAY HAVE TO KILL
SOMEBODY ELSE.
IT'S HORRIBLE.
YOU KNOW YOUR MIND IS SO
GONE ON THE STREETS, THAT
THIS EVEN MAKES SENSE TO
SOMEBODY.
YOU KNOW THAT YOU NEED A
CHANGE, A BIG CHANGE, AND
YOUR LIFE IS LOST.
Reporter: AT AGE 29,
LOUIE WAS ARRESTED AND A
PLEA BARGAIN GOT HIM THREE
YEARS.
WHILE SERVING TIME, HE
THOUGHT ABOUT THE
DIRECTION HE HAD TAKEN IN
LIFE.
I ACHIEVED EVERYTHING I
WAS LOOKING FOR.
I'VE GOT SCARS ALL OVER
ME.
I'VE GOT ETERNAL SCARS.
I'VE GOT THE BATTLE SCARS.
I'VE GOT THE FRIENDS WHO
ARE DEAD OR DOING LIFE.
YOU REALIZE WHEN YOU
ACHIEVE IT, IT IS NOT WHAT
YOU WERE LOOKING FOR.
Reporter: IN THE
SOLITUDE OF HIS PRISON
CELL, LOUIE SAYS HE HEARD
SOMETHING.
I HEARD A VOICE SAYING,
GO TO CHURCH WITH YOUR
GREAT GRANDMOTHER.
THAT'S ALL IT WOULD SAY
OVER AND OVER, THROUGHOUT
THE DAY OR THROUGHOUT THE
WEEK.
SO ONE DAY I DID TO SHUT
IT UP.
OKAY, I'LL GO.
Reporter: AFTER
SERVING HIS TIME, LOUIE
KEPT HIS WORD.
I I WA WAS IN A HALFWAY
HOUSE IN CALIFORNIA, AND
MY GRANDMA INVITED ME TO
CHURCH.
THE ATMOSPHERE WAS HEAVY.
AND IT WAS LOVE.
I REMEMBER COMING DOWN
ALMOST LIKE A CLOUD -- IT
JUST SET OVER ME.
AND THAT VOICE SPOKE TO ME
AND SAID, I'VE TAMED A LOT
TOUGHER THAN YOU.
SO I WENT DOWN AND GAVE MY
HEART TO THE LORD JESUS
CHRIST.
I FELT LIKE I HAD FREEDOM.
I FELT LIKE I WAS
FORGIVEN.
Reporter: LOUIE
STARTED BUILDING A LIFE
CENTERED ON CHRIST, AND
OVER THE YEARS BECAME THE
MAN, HUSBAND, AND FATHER
HE THOUGHT HE WOULD ALWAYS
BE.
YOU START TO BLOSSOM
INTO THE PERSON GOD
INTENDED YOU TO BE.
AND THE WEIRDEST THING IS
YOU NEVER REALIZED YOU
COULD BE THAT WAY.
Reporter: WITH A
DAUGHTER IN COLLEGE, HE
AND HIS WIFE ARE RAISING
HIS SON.
HE MAKES SURE BOTH THEIR
CHILDREN REALIZE THEY ARE
LOVED.
I ALWAYS GO IN AND TELL
THEM I LOVE THEM AND TELL
THEM I'M PROUD OF THEM.
BOTH OF MY KIDS HAVE SAID
HOW COME YOU DO THAT?
AND I SAID BECAUSE I NEVER
HAD IT WHEN I WAS A KID.
AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE
YOU KNOW THE LOVE OF JESUS
CHRIST.
Reporter: PEOPLE WHO
KNEW LOUIE BEFORE SAY THE
CHANGE IS REAL.
DENNIS STERK IS A FORMER
DETECTIVE RESPONSIBLE FOR
HIS ARREST.
TODAY HE CALLS LOUIE A
FRIEND.
IF YOU'VE KNOWN HIM
BEFORE AND YOU KNOW HIM
TODAY, YOU KNOW THE
CHANGE.
IT IS NOT ALL TALK.
LOUIE HAS CHANGED.
THE DAY I FOUND CHRIST
AT THE ALTER, AND THE
FREEDOM HE GAVE ME -- IF
THAT'S ALL HE EVER GAVE ME
AND I HAD ONLY, I'M OKAY
WITH THAT.
THAT IS WHAT I WAS LOOKING
FOR IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Pat: ISN'T IT
AMAZING?
WHAT A YOUNG BOY, A YOUNG
GIRL, WANTS?
ISN'T IT AMAZING?
NOT TOYS.
NOT BIG, ELABORATE
PARTIES.
IT'S LOVE.
YOUNG PEOPLE WANT TO BE
LOVED.
YOUNG BOYS WANT THE LOVE
OF A FATHER.
YOUNG GIRLS WANT THE LOVE
OF A FATHER, THEY WANT THE
LOVE OF A MOTHER.
THEY WANT THE LOVE OF
PARENTS.
AND SO THIS SOCIETY, WHERE
WE HAVE THROW AWAY
MARRIAGES AND DIVORCE, NO
FAULT, AND MANY
STEPPARENTS AND ALL OF THE
REST OF IT -- LOUIE DIDN'T
FIND ANY LOVE.
HE COULD HAVE BEEN A
HORRIBLE PERSON.
OBVIOUSLY, HE WAS -- HE
FELL INTO SOME PRETTY
DEADLY STUFF.
AND IT WAS ILLEGAL, AND HE
GOT CAUGHT.
BUT HE DIDN'T KNOW LOVE.
AND I COUNSEL THE PARENTS,
LISTEN, HUG YOUR KIDS.
HUG THEM.
KISS THEM.
TELL THEM YOU LOVE THEM.
DON'T BE AFRAID TO SHOW
AFFECTION.
CERTAINLY IF YOU THINK IT
IS NOT MANLY TO HUG
SOMEBODY -- YES, IT IS.
BIG, TOUGH GUYS CAN BE
TENDER TOWARDS THEIR
CHILDREN.
YES, HAVE DISCIPLINE.
DISCIPLINE IS A FORM OF
LOVE.
AND CHILDREN KNOW THAT.
IF THEY'RE MESSING UP AND
THE PARENT DOESN'T CORRECT
THEM, THEY THINK THE
PARENT DOESN'T LOVE THEM.
AND CORRECTION IS A FORM
OF LOVE.
SO THERE IS NOTHING WRONG
TO HAVE MODERATE
DISCIPLINE WHEN YOU'RE A
PARENT.
BUT MORE THAN ANYTHING, DO
SOMETHING WITH THEM.
SPEND TIME WITH THEM.
LISTEN TO WHAT THEY'VE GOT
TO SAY.
LISTEN TO THEIR PROBLEMS.
AND ENTER INTO, AS MUCH AS
YOU CAN, THEIR PROBLEMS
AND STRUGGLES.
AND MORE THAN ANYTHING,
TELL THEM ABOUT JESUS.
AND WHAT YOU WANT TO DO --
WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IS TO
LET YOUR CHILDREN GRADUATE
FROM YOU INTO A
RELATIONSHIP WITH JESUS.
SO THEY'RE OBEDIENT TO
YOU.
AND NOW YOU WANT THEM TO
BE OBEDIENT TO THE LORD.
AND THE BEST REFERRAL
YOU'VE GOT WHEN SOMEBODY
HAS A QUESTION IS TO SAY,
LET ME REFER YOU TO JESUS.
YOU ASK HIM, AND LET HIM
TELL YOU.
WHEN THEY LEARN THAT, IT
WILL BE AMAZING WHAT WILL
HAPPEN IN THEIR LIVES.
I WANT TO PRAY RIGHT NOW
FOR FATHERS AND MOTHERS
AND CHILDREN, LIKE LOUIE,
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.
FATHER, IN JESUS' NAME I
PRAY FOR FAMILIES.
I PRAY FOR FATHERS, SINGLE
FATHERS.
I PRAY FOR MOTHERS, SINGLE
MOTHERS.
I PRAY FOR MOTHERS AND
FATHERS TOGETHER.
I PRAY FOR THE CHILDREN IN
HOMES WHERE THERE IS NOT
ANY LOVE.
I ASK FOR THE LOVE OF GOD
TO COME INTO THEIR HEART,
THAT THEY MAY KNOW THERE
IS A FATHER IN HEAVEN WHO
LOVES THEM UNCONDITIONALLY
UNCONDITIONALLY.
AND I THANK YOU, LORD,
THAT GOD IS LOVE, AND THAT
YOUR LOVE IS WITHOUT
BOUNDS OR LIMITS TOWARDS
ALL OF US IN THIS WORLD.
AND I RECEIVE THAT LOVE.
AND WE ASK THE LOVE FOR
PEOPLE WATCHING THIS
PROGRAM NOW, IN JESUS'
NAME.
AMEN.
AND AMEN.
HERE IS TERRY.
Terry: WELL, STILL
AHEAD, MEET NATALIE JILL
AND SEE HOW SHE SHED
60 POUNDS AND BECAME A
FITNESS MODEL IN HER
40s.
NATALIE JOINS US LIVE,
AHEAD ON TODAY'S "700
CLUB."
I COULD GO HOURS AND
Terry: ALLISON IS
ONLY NINE YEARS OLD, AND
SHE HAS ALREADY LED MANY
PEOPLE TO CHRIST.
IT STARTED WITH A VISIT TO
A LOCAL CHURCH AND A
VIEWING OF CBN'S
"SUPERBOOK."
Reporter: 9-YEAR-OLD
ALLISON HAD NEVER SEEN
ANYTHING LIKE IT, A CHURCH
WHERE KIDS WERE SINGING
AND DANCING.
HER AUNT, INTO GOES TO THE
CHURCH, HAD INVITED HER.
MY AUNT HAD TALKED TO
ME ABOUT JESUS BEFORE, BUT
I REALLY DIDN'T KNOW MUCH
ABOUT HIM.
Reporter: BUT ALL OF
THAT CHANGED AFTER
ALLISON'S FIRST VISIT TO
THE "ORPHANS'
PROMISE"-SUPPORTED
MINISTRY AT THE CHURCH.
ON HER SECOND VISIT,
ALLISON WATCHED THE
"SUPERBOOK" EPISODE "HE IS
RISEN."
THAT WAS THE DAY SHE
BECAME A CHRISTIAN.
I PRAYED AND IT FELT
LIKE JESUS WAS HOLDING ME
AND THAT HE WOULD TAKE
CARE OF ME.
Reporter: EVEN AT
NINE YEARS OLD, ALLISON
KNEW IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR
HER TO TELL OTHERS ABOUT
JESUS.
I TOLD MY MOM AND
FRIENDS THAT HEAVEN AND
HELL ARE REAL.
Reporter: ALLISON
THEN INVITED HER MOM TO
THE CHURCH, WHERE SHE
PRAYED TO BECOME A
CHRISTIAN, TOO.
I FELT SO HAPPY WHEN MY
MOM ACCEPTED JESUS.
I DIDN'T WANT HER TO BE
LOST.
Reporter: IT HAS ONLY
BEEN A MONTH SINCE ALLISON
STARTED COMING TO THIS
"SUPERBOOK" PROGRAM, AND
ALREADY SHE IS SEEING
OTHER FRIENDS SHE'S
INVITED PRAYING TO BECOME
CHRISTIANS, TOO.
THANKS FOR "SUPERBOOK."
AND THANKS FOR HELPING ME
TO KNOW JESUS.
Terry: "SUPERBOOK" IS
CHANGING THE LIVES OF
CHILDREN AND THEIR
FAMILIES AROUND THE WORLD.
YOU CAN BE A PART OF THAT,
TOO.
YOU CAN BE THE FIRST TO
WATCH THE LATEST EPISODES
OF "SUPERBOOK."
YOU DO THAT BY JOINING THE
"SUPERBOOK" D.V.D. CLUB.
THE COST?
JUST $25.
YOUR CREDIT CARD OR DEBIT
CARD WILL BE CHARGED
USUALLY EVERY SIX WEEKS OR
SO.
WE'LL SEND YOU THREE
COPIES, ONE TO KEEP AND
TWO TO SHARE WITH FAMILY
AND FRIENDS.
AND IF YOU JOIN NOW, WE'RE
GOING TO SEND YOU THE
EXPLORER TWO PACK.
IT CONTAINS FOUR VIDEOS
AND EVEN A LESSON ON HOW
TO DRAW "SUPERBOOK"
CHARACTERS.
JUST DIAL THE NUMBER ON
YOUR SCREEN, OR YOU CAN DO
IT BY LOGGING ON TO
cbn.com.
JOIN THE "SUPERBOOK" CLUB
TODAY, AND "SUPERBOOK"
EXPLORER WILL BE PART OF
THE PACKAGE THAT IS COMING
YOUR WAY.
IT WILL CHANGE THE LIVES
OF YOUR CHILDREN AND
GRANDCHILDREN.
MAYBE YOU WORK IN YOUR
CHURCH.
IT IS GREAT TO TAKE TO
CHURCH, TO SUNDAY SCHOOL,
AS WELL.
> COMING UP LATER,
FITNESS MODEL, NATALIE
JILL, SHOWS YOU HOW TO
UNPROCESS YOUR DIET.
SHE IS GOING TO WHIP UP
SOME RECIPES IN OUR "700
CLUB" KITCHEN, AND YOU
DON'T WANT TO MISS IT.
THAT'S STILL AHEAD.
Efrem: AND WELCOME
BACK TO "THE 700 CLUB."
THE SUPREME COURT THIS
WEEK DECLINED TO HEAR A
RELIGIOUS RIGHTS APPEAL
FROM PHARMACISTS IN
WASHINGTON STATE.
THEY SAY THEIR FAITH
FORBIDS THEM FROM
DISPENSING PLAN "B" OR
OTHER DRUGS THAT COULD
CAUSE AN ABORTION.
BUT THE WASHINGTON STATE
GOVERNMENT HAS TOLD THEM
THEIR LICENSES WILL BE
REVOKED IF THEY REFUSE TO
CARRY THE MORNING-AFTER
PILL.
NOW THAT THE SUPREME COURT
HAS REJECTED THEIR APPEAL,
THEY WILL HAVE TO COMPLY.
CHIEF JUSTICE JOHN ROBERTS
AND SAMUEL ALITO SAID THEY
WOULD HAVE HEARD THE
APPEAL.
HE WROTE A STINGING 15
PAGE DESCENT ON THEIR
POSITIVE SAYING "IF THIS
IS A SIGN OF HOW RELIGIOUS
LIBERTY CLAIMS WILL BE
TREATED IN THE YEARS
AHEAD, THOSE WHO VALUE
RELIGIOUS FREEDOM HAVE
CAUSE FOR GREAT CONCERN."
> A PALESTINIAN STABBED
A 13-YEAR-OLD ISRAELI GIRL
TO DEATH IN HER BEDROOM
EARLY THIS MORNING.
HE ALSO STABBED A SECURITY
OFFICER WHO ARRIVED ON THE
SCENE TO DEFEND THE GIRL.
THE OFFICER WAS IN SERIOUS
CONDITION.
ISRAELI POLICE SHOT AND
KILLED THE ATTACKER.
PALESTINIANS HAVE CARRIED
OUT DOZENS OF ATTACKS IN
THE LAST NINE MONTHS,
KILLING 33 ISRAELIS AND
TWO AMERICANS.
> REMEMBER YOU CAN
ALWAYS GET THE LATEST FROM
CBN NEWS BY GOING TO OUR
WEBSITE AT cbnnews.com.
PAT AND TERRY ARE BACK
WITH MORE OF "THE 700
CLUB."
IT IS COMING UP RIGHT
AFTER THIS.
Terry: NATALIE JILL
SAYS THAT ROCK BOTTOM IS A
GREAT PLACE TO REBUILD
YOUR LIFE.
WHEN NATALIE HIT ROCK
BOTTOM, SHE TURNED HER
LIFE AND HER HEALTH
COMPLETELY AROUND.
TAKE A LOOK.
Reporter: NATALIE
JILL BECAME A FITNESS
MODEL AT THE AGE OF 39.
SEVEN YEARS AGO, SHE WAS
DEPRESSED, DIVORCED, AND
CARRYING AN EXTRA
60 POUNDS ON HER 5' 2"
FRAME.
IT WASN'T UNTIL SHE SAW
HERSELF IN A WINDOW SHE
DECIDED TO LOSE WEIGHT.
SHE QUIT EATING PROCESSED
FOOD.
NATALIE SHARES HER RECIPES
AND HER EASY TO FOLLOW
PLAN IN THE SEVEN-DAY
JUMP-START.
SHE OFFERS REAL SOLUTIONS
FOR LOSING WEIGHT AND
FEELING GREAT THAT WILL
LAST A LIFETIME.
Terry: PLEASE WELCOME
TO "THE 700 CLUB," NATALIE
JILL.
IT IS GREAT TO HAVE YOU
HERE.
THANKS.
IT'S GREAT TO BE HERE.
Terry: LET'S TALK
ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS
YOU SHARE IN YOUR BOOK AS
WELL.
THIS BEGAN AS A JOURNEY
BECAUSE YOU HAD SOME
HEALTH ISSUES AS A RESULT
OF HOW YOU WERE EATING.
YES.
YEARS AGO, BEFORE ANYONE
KNEW WHAT GLUTEN WAS OR
CELIAC DISEASE, I WAS
HAVING A LOT OF HEALTH
ISSUES WITH MY STOMACH,
LYMPH NODES BEING SWOLLEN.
I LEARNED I HAD CELIAC
DISEASE.
LITTLE DID I KNOW IT WOULD
LEAD TO SOMETHING LATER ON
THAT WOULD HELP SO MANY
PEOPLE.
Terry: SO OFTEN THEY
SAY WHEN WE HAVE ILLNESS
PHYSICALLY, IT BEGINS IN
WHAT IS CALLED THE GUT?
IT ABSOLUTELY DOES.
IT IS SO INTERESTING
BECAUSE I USED TO THINK
THAT EVERYTHING I WAS
EATING -- I JUST THOUGHT
MAYBE I'M EATING TOO MUCH.
VEGETABLES -- I THOUGHT IT
WAS TOO MUCH VEGETABLES,
TOO MUCH FIBER.
BUT IT WAS THE OPPOSITE.
IT WAS WHEAT, RYE, AND
BARLEY THAT WAS CAUSING
THE FLAREUPS.
Terry: WHEN WE WANT
TO LOSE WEIGHT, WE THINK
OF IT A NEEDING TO DIET.
WHEN REALLY THE APPROACH
IS NEEDING TO CHANGE OUR
LIFESTYLE.
YES.
Terry: YOU HAD A
GOAL, YOU WANTED TO BECOME
A FITNESS EXPERT.
YOU WERE IN YOUR 40s,
YOU WERE OVERWEIGHT AND
YOU HAD A BABY -- FIRST OF
ALL, WHERE DID THAT GOAL
COME FROM?
EATING GLUTEN-FREE AS A
CELIAC DIDN'T MEAN YOU
WERE EATING HEALTHY.
PEOPLE THINK WHEN IT IS
GLUTEN-FREE IT IS HEALTHY,
BUT IT COULD BE JUNK AND
THERE COULD BE A LOT OF
SUGAR.
SO WHEN I WAS PREGNANT, I
WAS GOING THROUGH A REALLY
ROUGH TIME IN MY LIFE.
FINANCIAL ROCK BOTTOM.
I WAS GOING THROUGH A
DIVORCE.
I HAD A LOT OF THINGS
HAPPEN AT ONE TIME.
I WAS GOING TO BE A NEW,
SINGLE MOM.
STRESS, DEPRESSION.
I FOUND MYSELF -- AFTER MY
DAUGHTER, I WAS 65 POUNDS
HEAVIER THAN I AM TODAY.
I DID WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE
DO, THEY SEARCH FOR
ANSWERS.
IT FELT OVERWHELMING AND
SCARY.
I DIDN'T HAVE MONEY FOR A
FANCY GYM.
I DIDN'T HAVE THE
KNOWLEDGE TO LOSE MY
WEIGHT.
AND EVERYTHING ON LINE WAS
JUST CONFUSING AND
OVERWHELMING.
Terry: AND ESPECIALLY
WHEN YOU'RE DEPRESSED.
SOMETIMES YOU FEEL LIKE, I
CAN'T GET THERE FROM
THERE.
I FELT LIKE IT WAS
IMPOSSIBLE.
SO I DUG ON LINE.
AND I DECIDED TO GET MY
CERTIFICATIONS LEARNING.
I FIGURED OUT A WAY TO
SIMPLIFY THING, WHICH NOT
ONLY GAVE ME MY ENERGY
BACK, AND GOT RID OF THAT
EXCESS BLOAT THAT WE ALL
EXPERIENCE WHEN WE'RE
UNHEALTHY, AND I STARTED
TO LOSE THE WEIGHT.
IT MELTED OFF AND IT
WASN'T HARD.
IT WAS CHANGING MY WAY OF
HOW I WAS EATING.
NOT DEPRIVING MYSELF, JUST
CHANGING HOW I WAS EATING.
Terry: YOU'VE GOT
SOME WONDERFUL RECIPES
FROM YOUR BOOK.
I WANT TO TALK MORE ABOUT
HOW YOU DID ALL OF THIS.
LET'S START BY SHOWING
PEOPLE SOME OF WHAT YOU
CREATED.
YOU TALKED A MINUTE AGO
ABOUT BEING GLUTEN-FREE
AND COULD STILL BE EATING
PROCESSED FOODS.
EVERYTHING TODAY IS NOT
UNDER THE CATEGORY.
I'M A FAN OF HOW IT IS
GROWN.
INSTEAD OF SAYING YOU
CAN'T HAVE THESE THINGS,
I'M GOING TO SAY LET'S
FOCUS ON MORE OF THE GOOD
FOODS, AND LET'S MAKE FOOD
FEEL RICH AND GOOD AND
YUMMY.
Terry: LET'S START
WITH THE SMOOTHIE.
SMOOTHIES CAN BE
INCREDIBLY UNHEALTHY.
DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU ADD.
MINE OR FRUIT BASED, BUT I
WILL ADD CHIA SEEDS.
HERE I'M USING PATEA,
WHICH YOU CAN FIND IN
ASIAN STORES, OR DRAGON
FRUIT.
AND YOU CAN FIND IN ANY
GROCERY STORE PATEA IN
PACKAGES.
IT MAKES BEAUTIFUL
SMOOTHIES.
Terry: BECAUSE IT IS
IN ITS NATURAL FORM, NO
PROBLEM?
ALL NATURAL FOODS THAT
I BLEND TOGETHER.
Terry: WHAT IS THIS?
I'M NOT A FAN OF BUYING
PACKAGED PROTEIN BARS
BECAUSE THEY GET VERY
PROCESSED.
THIS IS SOMETHING YOU CAN
MAKE NATURAL.
IT CAN BE A MEAL
REPLACEMENT OR A SNACK.
I USE THINGS LIKE ALMOND
FLOUR AND CHIA SEEDS AND
COCONUT TO MAKE UP THESE
YUMMY PROTEIN BARS.
RAW CACAO I USE.
ALL OF THESE THINGS HAVE
HEALTHY FAT, WHICH MAKES
YOU FEEL FULL, WHICH IS
GOOD FOR THE BRAIN AND
HELPS YOU LOSE THAT
WEIGHT.
Terry: HERE, THIS
LOOKS SO YUMMY.
THIS IS CALLED THE
SUMMERY --
SALAD.
I LIKE ALL OF MY MEALS TO
HAVE A PROTEIN, CARB AND
FAT.
CARBS ARE FRUITS AND
VEGETABLES, TOO.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE
BAG GEL.
BAGEL.
I'VE GOT A MIX OF LETTUCE
AND SPINACH, AND I'VE GOT
SOME ASPARAGUS I ROASTED
AHEAD OF TIME.
AND YOU CAN USE SOME OIL
AND SALT AND PEPPER.
THE DRESSING IS SIMPLE,
WITH BALSAMIC VINEGAR,
PEPPER, A LITTLE BIT OF
AGAVE, AND WE USE THE
STRAWBERRY AND THE
WALNUTS, AND WE TOSS IT
ALL TOGETHER.
IT IS SUPER SIMPLE.
IT IS REALLY EASY.
I'VE GOT MY LETTUCE.
I LIKE THE DARK GREEN,
LEAFY LETTUCES.
YOU CAN USE OLIVE OIL OR
COCONUT OIL.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO ROAST
THEM, YOU DON'T WANT TO
USE A LOT OF OLIVE OIL.
BUT YOU COULD USE COCONUT
OIL.
STRAWBERRIES ARE LOW GLYC
GLYCEMIC AND LOW IN SUGAR.
I'M GOING TO ADD MY
CHICKEN.
AND THE DRESSING IS SUPER
SIMPLE.
TOSS IN THE INGREDIENTS
AND WHISK THEM TOGETHER.
YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND WHISK
IT TOGETHER HERE.
THE PEPPER, AND THE
HIMALAYAN ROCK SALT.
Terry: COME ON, SALT.
TOP IT WITH THE CRUSHED
NUTS RIGHT HERE.
Terry: MORE?
JUST A FEW SECOND.
SUPER SIMPLE.
YOU'VE GOT YOUR CARB, YOUR
PROTEIN, AND YOUR HEALTHY
FAT, AND YOU STAY FULL FOR
HOURS.
YOU THINK SALAD, BUT YOUR
FULL FOR HOURS.
AND WE DON'T HAVE TOO MANY
CALORIES.
SO MANY SALADS USE TOO
MUCH CREAM.
Terry: IS THIS THE
FINISHED PRODUCT?
THIS IS THE FINISHED
PRODUCT.
YOU CAN DISPLAY IT A
LITTLE DIFFERENT, BUT IT
IS A REALLY ENJOYABLE
SALAD.
YOU CAN USE THIS AS AN
APPETIZER OR A MEAL.
THIS IS THE PERFECT MEAL
TO BRING AS A GUEST.
IT IS SHRIMP, AND THERE
ARE LOTS OF YUMMY
VEGETABLES AND CELANTRO,
AND IT IS SUPER EASY TO
MAKE AND REALLY
SATISFYING.
Terry: FOR PEOPLE WHO
DON'T FEEL SATISFIED IF
THEY DON'T HAVE DESSERT --
THIS IS MY FAT-BURNING
CHOCOLATE MOUSE. MOUSSE.
IT IS MADE FROM AVOCADO.
IT IS THE WAS CACAO AND AF
AVOCADO.
IT IS HEALTHY FOR US.
Terry: WE TALKED
ABOUT SOME OF THE AMAZING
RECIPES.
YOU CAN SEE THEY ALL LOOK
ABSOLUTELY DELICIOUS.
AND IF YOU'RE INTERESTED
IN A LIFESTYLE CHANGE TO
BE HEALTHY, YOU WANT TO
GET THE BOOK AND IT'S
CALLED "NATALIE JILL'S
SEVEN-DAY JUMP-START."
AND THERE ARE TEST MOTHS
FROM PEOPLE WHMOTHS -- TESTIMONIALS FROM
PEOPLE WHO HAVE TREMENDOUS
SUCCESS FROM HER BOOK.
LOG ON TO
Facebook.COM/"700 CLUB"
AND YOU'LL FIND IT ALL
THERE.
THANK YOU, NATALIE.
THANK YOU.
Terry: UP NEXT, PAT
IS BACK IN THE HOT SEAT
FOR ANOTHER ROUND OF
"BRING IT ON."
ROBIN SAYS, "WHY ARE
CHRISTIANS GOING TO BE
JUDGED WHEN WE DIE, AND
FOR WHAT?"
STAY TUNED FOR PAT'S
ANSWER, COMING UP AFTER
THIS.
Terry: BEFORE WE
"BRING IT ON" WITH OUR
SEGMENT TODAY, I WANT TO
REMIND YOU TO CHECK OUT
OUR BEHIND-THE-SCENES
INTERVIEW WITH FITNESS
MODEL NATALIE JILL.
TO WATCH THAT GO TO
Facebook.COM/"700 CLUB."
OUR FIRST QUESTION IS FROM
ROBIN WHO SAYS, "WHY ARE
WE, WHO HAVE ACCEPTED
JESUS CHRIST AS OUR
SAVIOUR, STILL GOING TO BE
JUDGED AND FOR WHAT?"
Pat: IT IS CALLED THE
GREAT WHITE THRONE
JUDGMENT.
AND JESUS SAID, IF YOU
BELIEVE IN ME AND BELIEVE
IN THE ONE WHO SENT ME,
YOU HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE
AND YOU SHALL NOT COME
INTO THE JUDGMENT.
SO YOU'RE NOT INTO THAT.
BUT PAUL SAID, WE'LL ALL
STAND BEFORE THE BEMA TO
RECEIVE WHAT WE HAVE DONE
IN THE BODY.
WELL, RECEIVE WHAT HAS
BEEN DONE IN THE BODY MAY
BE GOD.
THE LORD MAY SAY, YOU'VE
DONE A GOOD JOB AND I WANT
TO GIVE YOU SOME REWARDS.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE BAD.
JESUS SAID, THE ONE WHO
KNEW THE LORD'S WILL AND
DIDN'T DO IT WILL RECEIVE
MANY STRIPES.
AND HE WHO DIDN'T NO WHAT
IT WAS AND WHO HAVE SINNED
WILL HAVE FEW STRIPES.
THERE WILL BE SOME
PUNISHMENT FOR PEOPLE WHO
SCREWED UP.
YOU DON'T HAVE A FREE RIDE
FOR THE NEXT 40, 50 YEARS
AFTER YOU ACCEPT THE LORD.
THAT'S THE WAY IT COMES
THROUGH.
WE'RE TO LIVE FOR HIM.
AND HOPEFULLY THERE WILL
BE CROWNS.
YOU READ IN THE OLD
TESTAMENT ABOUT THOSE THAT
LEAD MANY TO THE LORD WILL
SHINE LIKE THE STARS.
THERE WILL BE GOOD THINGS,
NOT BAD.
Terry: THIS IS A
VIEWER WHO SAYS, "LUKE 9:
23 SAYS, IF ANYONE DESIRES
TO COME AFTER ME, LET HIM
DENY HIMSELF AND TAKE UP
HIS CROSS DAILY AND FOLLOW
ME.
WHAT DOES THIS TRULY MEAN?
NO FUN, NO FRIENDS?
I DON'T GET THIS
SCRIPTURE."
Pat: WE'VE GOT TO
HAVE FUN.
WHAT IT MEANS -- TAKE UP
HIS CAUSE IS TO SAY TAKE
UP THE ELECTRIC CHAIR,
THAT YOUR SUBJECT TO
DEATH.
IN OTHER WORDS, I DON'T
ANY LONGER LIVE FOR
MYSELF.
I LIVE FOR HIS GLORY.
THAT'S THE IDEA.
IS THERE JOY?
OF COURSE THERE IS.
THERE IS JOY BEFORE THE
ANGELS OF GOD.
THOSE WHO FOLLOW THE LORD
WILL DANCE IN JOY.
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG
WITH HAVING A GOOD TIME AS
CHRISTIANS.
BUT WE DO IT BECAUSE WE
ARE NOT IN CHARGE OF OUR
LIVES ANYMORE.
IT IS LIKE TAKE UP YOUR
ELECTRIC CHAIR.
I'M ALWAYS SUBJECT TO
DEATH AND I HAVE TO
REMEMBER THAT.
Terry: HELEN SAYS,
"IS IT POSSIBLE FOR ONE
CHRISTIAN TO PREVENT
ANOTHER CHRISTIAN'S
PRAYERS FROM BEING
ANSWERED.
A WOMAN I USED TO BE
FRIENDS WITH SAID SHE HAS
BEEN PRAYING THAT SHE IS
ASKING GOD NOT TO GRANT ME
MY PRAYERS.
I THOUGHT MINDING PRAYERS
WAS ONLY FROM DEMONS."
Pat: I DON'T KNOW
WHAT KIND OF WOMAN THAT IS
THAT HAS BEEN PRAYING
AGAINST YOU.
YOU CAN HAVE
COUNTER-ACTIVE FORCES.
HOW, INDEED, IT WORKS, I
DON'T THINK I HAVE TIME TO
TELL YOU IF I KNEW.
I DO KNOW THAT PEOPLE CAN
PRAY AGAINST YOU, AND YOU
HAVE TO BIND THAT.
SO IT IS NOT JUST DEMONS
AND IT'S NOT JUST BAD
THINGS.
I CAN'T IMAGINE A
CHRISTIAN PRAYING AGAINST
SOMEBODY ELSE.
HORRIBLE.
HORRIBLE TO HAVE PEOPLE
LIKE THAT.
BUT, ANYHOW, THOSE
PRAYERS -- YOU KNOW IT'S
SPIRIT AGAINST SPIRIT.
WE LEAVE YOU WITH
TODAY'S POWER MINUTE FROM
LAMENTATIONS: "THROUGH THE
LORD'S MERCIES, WE ARE NOT
CONCERNED."
WE'LL SEE YOU TOMORROW.