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700 Club Interactive - Living Through It - July 27, 2016

Gospel artist James Fortune admits abusing his wife and seeks forgiveness. Read Transcript


Gordon: IN THE WAKE

OF ISIS, 2.7 MILLION

SYRIAN REFUGEES DESCEND ON

TURKEY, AND A DICTATOR

EMERGES.

FORMER MUSLIM ISHIK ABLA

RESPONDS TO THE RECENT

COUP ATTEMPT, AND SHARES

WHY CHRISTIANS THERE ARE

NOW IN EXTREME DANGER, ON

TODAY'S "700 CLUB

INTERACTIVE."

> WELL, WELCOME TO THE

SHOW.

SOME ARE CALLING IT THE

BATTLE FOR TURKEY'S SOUL,

AND MORE EVIDENCE THAT

ISLAM AND DEMOCRACY DON'T

GO TOGETHER.

THE FAILED JULY 15th

COUP IN TURKEY THAT TRIED

TO TOPPLE ERDOGAN'S

DICTATORIAL REGIME HAS

LEFT THE COUNTRY UNSTABLE

AND GROWING MORE AND MORE

DANGEROUS BY THE DAY.

AFTER THE COUP WAS

SQUASHED, ERDOGAN QUICKLY

VOWED TO PURGE THE VIRUS

HE SAYS TRIGGERED THE

REVOLT.

SINCE THE UPRISING, OVER

10,000 TURKISH CITIZENS

HAVE BEEN DETAINED.

THOSE ARRESTED INCLUDE

MEMBERS OF THE MILITARY,

POLICE OFFICERS, JUDGES,

JOURNALISTS, TEACHERS, AND

EVEN 60 STUDENTS BETWEEN

THE AGE OF 14 AND 17 HAVE

BEEN CHARGED WITH TREASON.

CREDIBLE EVIDENCE SHOWS

SOME PRISONERS SEVERELY

BEATEN, HOG-TIED, STARVED,

AND DENIED WATER.

SINCE THE CRACKDOWN,

50,000 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN

FIRED FROM THEIR JOBS.

AND THIS INSTABILITY WILL

LIKELY SPILL OUT INTO

TURKEY'S NEIGHBORING

COUNTRIES, WHICH COULD

PROVE DISASTEROUS.

CURRENTLY TURKEY HOSTS

2.7 MILLION REFUGEES, AND

SINCE THE COUP, PRESIDENT

ERDOGAN HAS SHIFTED HIS

FOCUS TO REMOVING HIS

OPPOSITION AND AWAY FROM

DEALING WITH THE REFUGEE

CRISIS.

IF TURKEY RELEASES THESE

REFUGEES INTO EUROPE, IT

COULD LEAD TO MORE TERROR

ATTACKS IN EUROPE.

BUT I THINK THE BIGGER

ISSUE IS WHAT'S GOING TO

HAPPEN WITH THE TURKISH

GOVERNMENT?

HE IS TALKING ABOUT TAKING

IT BACK TO BE AN ISLAMIC

STATE, WHICH IT WAS.

IT WAS CALLED THE OTTOMAN

EMPIRE.

A GREAT TURKISH LEADER,

ATATIRK, HAD THE COURAGE

TO SAY, NO, WE'RE GOING TO

BE A SECULAR STATE.

IN THAT PROCESS, HE TOOK A

LONG-STANDING CHURCH, OVER

1,000 YEARS, IT WAS THE

BIGGEST CHURCH IN THE

WORLD, UNDER THE OTTOMANS.

IT BECAME A MOSQUE, AND HE

SAID, NO, I'M GOING TO

MAKE IT INTO A MUSEUM.

WE NEED A SECULAR

CONSTITUTION, AND WE NEED

A SECULAR STATE.

AT THE SAME TIME, HE

EXPELLED ALL OF THE

CHRISTIANS FROM TURKEY.

AND THAT'S WHY

CHRISTIANITY IS

PRACTICALLY NON-EXISTENT

IN TURKEY TODAY.

IT IS A HIGHLY CHARGED

ENVIRONMENT.

THERE HAVE BEEN SOME

MISSIONARIES WHO HAVE BEEN

KILLED AND ABUSED.

SO WE'RE DEALING WITH A

VERY VOLATILE SITUATION.

AND IN BIBLICAL PROPHECY,

GO LOOK AT EZEKIEL 38 --

AND WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME

TALKING ABOUT GOG AND

MAGOG, BUT THERE IS

ANOTHER COUNTRY IN THAT

LIST, AND GOMER IS ON THAT

LIST.

AND BIBLE HISTORIANS TELL

US GOMER IS WHERE

MODERN-DAY TURKEY IS.

HERE TO GIVE US HER

PERSPECTIVE ON RECENT

EVENTS IN TURKEY, PLEASE

WELCOME BACK TO THE SHOW,

MY DEAR FRIEND, ISHIK

ABBA, WHO IS A FORMER

MUSLIM AND WHO IS NOW AN

EVANGELIST.

YOU'VE GONE THE OTHER WAY.

YOU DO IT THROUGH TV AND

SOCIAL MEDIA.

YOU'RE A Facebook

PHENOMENON.

YOU HAVE HAD MILLIONS OF

VIEWS ON Facebook.

WHAT'S YOUR TAKE?

WHERE ARE WE GOING IN THE

CURRENT SITUATION IN

TURKEY?

WELL, I CAN LOOK AT THE

SITUATION FROM NATURAL

EYES.

FROM THE NATURAL EYES, IT

IS VERY SAD DENING.

SADDENING.

I GREW UP IN THE CIVIL WAR

IN TURKEY.

AND WE SAW A PITIFUL

VERSION OF IT, GOING ON

TODAY, WHAT IS HAPPENING

IN TURKEY.

IT IS VERY SHAKY.

PEOPLE CAN NOT TRUST THE

GOVERNMENT AT THIS POINT.

THERE IS SUCH A BIG

DIVISION GOING ON IN MY

COUNTRY RIGHT NOW.

AND IT IS VERY CONCERNING.

OF COURSE, IT IS HEADING

TO A MORE ISLAMIC

DIRECTION, AND IT IS VERY

CONCERNING.

BUT FROM THE SPIRIT

SPIRITUAL-WISE, IT IS THE

END TIME.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WORLD

AND WHAT IS GOING ON, IT

IS JUST A PIECE OF THE

PUZZLE THAT TURKEY IS

PLAYING RIGHT NOW.

Gordon: I'VE BEEN TO

TURKEY, AND I THINK IT IS

ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL.

THANK YOU.

Gordon: ISTANBUL IS A

COSMOPOLITAN CITY.

IT IS THE CROSS-ROADS OF

THE WORLD.

IT LINKS EUROPE WITH THE

MIDDLE EAST, WITH ASIA.

AND I'VE EVEN GONE INTO

WHAT I THOUGHT WAS GOING

TO BE THE COUNTRYSIDE, TO

ISMIR, AND I FOUND A

THRIVING, BEAUTIFUL CITY,

WITH LOTS OF PROSPERITY.

IT SEEMS LIKE THE PEOPLE

WERE VERY HAPPY, WELL-FED,

WELL-EDUCATED AND

PROSPEROUS.

WHY WOULD THEY WANT TO

TURN TO BECOME A MUSLIM

STATE?

WHY IS THAT SO ATTRACTIVE

TO THEM?

WELL, IT IS NOT TURNING

INTO AN ISLAMIC STATE THAT

IS ATTRACTIVE TO THEM.

THEY WERE LOOKING FOR A

STRONG LEADER.

AND MOST OF THE TIME,

STRONG LEADERS, IN A GOOD

DIRECTION OR NOT, GET

FOLLOWERS.

SO THE PERSONALITY OF

ERDOGAN DRAWS THIS CROWD

TO HIM.

BECAUSE TURKEY FOR A LONG

TIME IS LACKING A STRONG

LEADER.

SO THIS GUY, HE KNOWS, AND

HE IS AN IDEALIST IN HIS

OWN WAY.

AND HE HAS AN IDEOLOGY TO

FOLLOW.

AND PEOPLE NEEDED THAT.

PEOPLE NEEDED PURPOSE.

AND ERDOGAN, RIGHT OR

WRONG, IS GIVING THAT

PURPOSE TO THOSE PEOPLE,

WHO ARE LOOKING FOR TURKEY

TO BE, AGAIN, A GREATS

NATION LIKE IT USED TO BE.

HE IS GIVING THEM THAT

DREAM, THAT WE CAN BECOME

AN EMPIRE, AND PEOPLE ARE

LOOKING FOR THAT.

Gordon: YOU STOOD IN

FRONT OF THE WHITE HOUSE

AND PUT SOMETHING OUT ON

Facebook.

LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THAT

RIGHT NOW.

WHEN I CAME TO THIS

COUNTRY, RUNNING AWAY FROM

MY FORMER FANATICAL MUSLIM

HUSBAND, FOR MY LIFE, THIS

GREAT COUNTRY OPENED ITS

DOORS TO ME.

IT IS FOR MY HEART TO SEE

WHAT IS HAPPENING IN

AMERICA RIGHT NOW.

AND I WANT TO PRAY WITH

YOU.

I WANT YOU TO JOIN ME IN

PRAYER RIGHT NOW.

TO PRAY FOR A GREAT

REVIVAL IN THE UNITED

STATES OF AMERICA, TO TAKE

THIS NATION BACK FROM

RADICAL ISLAM.

AND I WAS ONE OF THEM.

AND I KNOW WHAT THE QURAN

SAYS.

I KNOW WHAT THE QURAN

TALKS ABOUT, JIHAD, AND I

WAS A FORMER JIHADIST.

AND TODAY, BECAUSE OF THIS

GREAT LAND, I HAVE SO MUCH

UNCONDITIONAL LOVE BECAUSE

OF MY GOD, WHO DIED ON THE

CROSS FOR ME.

I USED TO WORSHIP AS A

FORMER RADICAL MUSLIM.

I USED TO WORSHIP A GOD

WHO USED TO TELL ME TO GO

AND KILL IN HIS NAME.

TODAY I WORSHIP AN AMAZING

GOD, WHO CAME AND DIED ON

THE CROSS FOR ME.

AND I AM MARCHING WITH

EVERYBODY TO KNOW THE

UNCONDITIONAL LOVE OF

JESUS CHRIST.

Gordon: IT SEEMS LIKE

YOU FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT

THIS.

[LAUGHTER]

YES, VERY STRONGLY.

Gordon: YOU SEEM SO

CALM TODAY.

WELL, WHEN I SPEAK

ABOUT JESUS CHRIST, I

CANNOT BE CALM.

Gordon: WHAT GOT YOU

SO WORKED UP?

WHAT WAS IT ABOUT BEING IN

FRONT OF THE WHITE HOUSE?

IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE

TRYING TO WAKE US UP.

YES.

Gordon: WHAT DO YOU

THINK WE NEED TO BE

AWAKENED TO?

REVIVAL IS NEEDED WHEN

SOMETHING IS DYING,

SOMEBODY IS DYING.

A SMALL EXAMPLE OF IT IS

C.P.R.

AND I SEE THE CHURCH IN

THE WESTERN WORLD, NOT

ONLY IN AMERICA, IS DYING

TODAY.

AND WE ARE SPIRITUAL LAZY.

AND WE THINK -- WE ARE FAR

AWAY FROM THE TRUTH, THE

SIMPLE TRUTH OF THE

GOSPEL.

GOD STARTED IGNITING ME.

I WAS NOT WORKED UP.

IT WAS THE HOLY SPIRIT

THAT WAS JUST IGNITING

THAT FIRE IN ME.

I COULD NOT HOLD IT IN, AS

JEREMIAH SAID.

I COULDN'T HOLD IT IN

ANYMORE.

AND I AM AT THAT PLACE

RIGHT NOW.

I CANNOT HOLD IT IN.

Gordon: WHAT ABOUT

TURKEY.

YES.

Gordon: TURKEY USED

TO BE THE CENTER OF

CHRISTIANITY.

YES.

Gordon:

CONSTANTINOPLE, AND THE

SOSOFIA WAS LITERALLY THE

CENTER.

IT ULTIMATELY MOVED TO

ROME, BUT NOW THERE ARE NO

CHRISTIANS THERE.

I MEAN, THERE ARE POCKETS

OF CHRISTIANITY AND

POCKETS OF SURVIVAL, AND I

THINK PEOPLE ARE BECOMING

AWAKENED THERE, BUT THIS

WAS THE PLACE WHERE THE

APOSTLE JOHN PLANTED

CHURCHES, AND THIS IS THE

PLACE WHERE THE APOSTLE

PAUL PLANTED CHURCHES.

AND NOW ALL OF THOSE

CHURCHES ARE NOW GONE.

WHAT CAN WE DO THERE?

WELL, WHEN EARLIER

TALKED ABOUT THE SOFIA

CHURCH, IT WAS A GREAT

CHURCH.

AND NOW YOU LOOK AT THE

CONDITION OF THE CHURCH,

AND IN THE SIXTH CENTURY,

THIS CHURCH WAS DECLINING

IN FAITH.

THERE WAS WITCHCRAFT.

AND CHRISTIANITY WAS NOT

IN THE SAME SHAPE OR FORM

OF WHEN PAUL LEFT THE

CHURCH OR JOHN LEFT THE

CHURCH.

WE SEE THE RESULTS TODAY.

NONE OF THOSE CHURCHES

EXIST IN THIS LAND.

AND I THINK THAT IS A

GREAT EXAMPLE, AND A

WARNING SIGN FOR ALL OF US

IN AMERICA, OR IN THE

WESTERN WORLD, THAT WE

CANNOT TRUST IN WHAT WE

HAVE, OUR GREAT

CHURCHES -- WE CANNOT TURN

INTO THE SOFIA.

AND IT CAN HAPPEN VERY

SOON.

WHAT CAN WE DO OVER THERE?

WE CAN ONLY PREACH THE

GOSPEL.

IN 1 CORINTHIANS 13, IT

TALKS ABOUT WHEN

IMPERFECTIOPERFECTION COMES,

IMPERFECTION DISAPPEARS.

AND JESUS CHRIST IS

PERFECTION.

ALL WE CAN DO IS PREACH

THE GOSPEL AND SHOW THE

UNCONDITIONAL LOVE OF

JESUS CHRIST.

WITH COMPASSION.

NOT WITH THE WESTERN

GOSPEL, BECAUSE I ALWAYS

SAY CHRISTIAN AMERICAN GOD

IS NOT GOD OF THE BIBLE.

WE NEED TO GO THERE WITH

THE SIMPLE TRUTH OF THE

GOSPEL TO SAVE THOSE

LANDS.

THIS IS ALL WE CAN DO.

BE COMPASSIONATE ABOUT IT

AND ON FIRE ABOUT IT.

Gordon: IT SEEMS LIKE

YOU'RE PASSIONATE ENOUGH.

A LITTLE BIT.

I NEED MORE PASSION.

Gordon: IT SEEMS LIKE

IT IS BURNING IN YOUR

BONES.

YOU'VE GOT TO PREACH.

WHAT DO YOU THINK IT IS

GOING TO TAKE FOR US TO

WAKE UP?

WELL, GOD HAS BEEN

RECENTLY REVEALING TO ME A

BIG SHAKING IS COMING, AND

A LOT OF OTHER PREACHERS

AND PASTORS, THEY PROPHESY

ABOUT THAT.

BUT IT IS VERY SOON.

I THINK IT IS GOING TO

TAKE SOMETHING BIGGER THAN

WHAT HAPPENED --

Gordon: THERE HAVE

BEEN SOME BIG SHAKEINGS.

YES, BUT IT WAS NOT

GOOD ENOUGH.

Gordon: YOU GO BACK

TO THE 2000 ELECTION WHEN

WE COULDN'T DETERMINE WHO

WON THE ELECTION.

AND THEN YOU GET 9/11.

AND I REMEMBER THE SUNDAY

AFTER 9/11, OUR CHURCHES

WERE PACKED.

AND THEN IT JUST SEEMED TO

GO AWAY.

AND THEN YOU HAVE THIS

TERRIBLE RECESSION IN

2008.

IT SEEMS GOD IS SHAKING

THE POLITICAL SCENE AND

THEN HE SHOOK OUR

CONFIDENCE, THAT WE WERE

SECURE IN OUR BORDER, AND

THEN HE SHOOK OUR

FINANCIAL SYSTEM TO ITS

CORE, WITH PEOPLE FEARING

THAT IT WAS ALL GOING TO

COLLAPSE.

WHAT'S LEFT TO SHAKE?

THERE IS A LOT LEFT TO

SHAKE.

WE ARE STILL IN OUR

COMFORT ZONES.

AND WE ARE SLOWLY DEALING

WITH THE PROBLEMS AND

TRAGEDIES.

BUT WHEN SOMETHING COMES

BIG, GOD SAYS I AM GOING

TO SHAKE ONCE MORE HEAVEN

AND EARTH.

I THINK THIS KIND OF

SHAKING AMERICA HAPPIEST

EXPERIENCED YET.

I KNOW THAT KIND OF

SHAKING.

I'VE BEEN TO THE MIDDLE

EAST.

I GREW UP IN THE MIDDLE

EAST.

I KNOW WHEN YOU HAVE

NOTHING.

I MET WITH REFUGEES, AND

ALL THEY HAVE IS JESUS.

WE HAVEN'T COME TO THAT

POINT WHEN ALL WE HAVE IS

JESUS CHRIST AND ALL WE

NEED IS JESUS CHRIST.

WE ARE NOT THERE YET.

BUT WE HAVE DYSFUNCTIONAL

FAMILIES, DIVORCE,

ABORTION, PERVERSION,

EVERYTHING, BUT WE ARE

SLEEPING IN THE MIDST OF

THAT MESS.

BUT GOD IS GOING TO BRING

SOMETHING TO OUR ATTENTION

IN A GREATER DEAL.

AND THIS IS WHY MY

PURPOSE, I BELIEVE AT THIS

PURPOSE AND MOMENT AND

TIME, IS TO WAKE UP

PEOPLE, AS MANY AS THEY

CAN.

JOIN ME IN FASTING AND

PRAYING BECAUSE GOD ALWAYS

TAKES CARE OF HIS PEOPLE.

Gordon: YES, HE DOES,

AND HE ALWAYS ANSWERS

PRAYER.

AND WE'RE GOING TO BE

CALLING PEOPLE TO PRAYER.

I ENCOURAGE YOU TO JOIN IN

WITH PRAYER.

JOIN WITH ISHIK AND HER

FAST.

JOIN IN PRAYER.

NOW, MORE THAN EVER, THE

CHURCH NEEDS TO BE SALT

AND LIGHT.

WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT THAT

WE'RE THE HOPE OF THE

WORLD.

THE MESSAGE OF THE GOSPEL

HAS BEEN ENTRUSTED TO US.

NOW WE NEED TO GO OUT AND

PREACH IT.

SO ASK FOR THE FIRE THAT

ISHIK HAS IN HER BONES.

ASK FOR THAT.

IT WON'T BE QUENCHED.

THAT YOU'LL PREACH AND

CHANGE HEARTS.

> WELL, IF YOU WANT TO

KEEP UP WITH ISHIK, I WANT

TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO FOLLOW

HER ON Facebook,

INSTAGRAM, AND

YouTube.

YOU CAN FIND HER AT

ISHIKALBA.COM.

ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO

HAVE YOU.

AND KEEP THAT FIRE

BURNING.

I LOVE IT.

IT'S WONDERFUL.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

Gordon: COMING UP, A

CBN NEWS EXCLUSIVE, GOSPEL

RECORDING ARTIST JAMES

FORTUNE TALKS ABOUT

ASSAULTING HIS WIFE.

I DID PUT MY HANDS ON

HER.

I DID PHYSICALLY RESTRAIN

HER AND REMOVE HER FROM MY

ROOM.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, I

WAS A PERPETRATOR AND AN

ABUSER.

Gordon: CANDID

REVELATIONS FROM THIS

Gordon: HE HAD BEEN

AT THE TOP OF THE GOSPEL

MUSIC CHARTS, BUT A FEW

MONTHS AGO, SINGER JAMES

FORTUNE PUT HIS CAREER AT

RISK.

HE FACED A JUDGE AND PLED

GUILTING TO ASSAULTING HIS

WIFE.

IN THIS EXCLUSIVE

INTERVIEW, HE TOLD EFREM

GRAHAM THAT HE HOPES THIS

WILL START A MUCH-NEEDED

CONVERSATION ABOUT

DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN THE

CHURCH.

*

* HOLD ON

Efrem: JAMES

FORTUNE'S MUSIC HAS TOPPED

THE GOSPEL CHARTS FOR MORE

THAN A DECADE.

MINISTRY WAS MY LIFE.

IT WAS ALL I HAD KNOWN.

I STARTED PLAYING THE

DRUMS AT FIVE YEARS OLD.

Efrem: FORTUNE IS A

PREACHER'S KID FROM

HOUSTON, TEXAS.

HE HAS RECORDED SEVEN

ALBUMS, EARNED TWO GRAMMY

NOMINATIONS, AND PERFORMED

FOR PACKED CROWDS AROUND

THE WORLD.

BUT IN MARCH, THIS SINGER

AND SONGWRITER TRADED

THOSE VENUES FOR THIS

COURTROOM, WHERE HE

PLEADED GUILTY TO

ASSAULTING HIS WIFE.

Efrem: YOU'VE BEEN

GIVEN FIVE YEARS PROBATION

AND SPENT FIVE DAYS IN

JAIL.

YES.

Efrem: WHAT WERE FIVE

DAYS IN JAIL LIKE FOR YOU,

MINISTER OF MUSIC?

I COULDN'T IMAGINE.

I HAD A LOT OF TIME TO

THINK, WHY AM I IN HERE?

I MINISTERED TO PRISONS.

WE SHARED THE GOSPEL AND

MINISTERED, AND NOW HERE I

AM AS AN INMATE MYSELF.

Efrem: AND YOU DID

175 HOURS COMMUNITY

SERVICE?

I'M STILL DOING THAT.

Efrem: WHAT DOES THAT

INVOLVE?

WHATEVER THE CITY

NEEDS.

PICKING UP TRASH, CUTTING

GRASS -- IT'S NOT JUST

CHILLING.

Efrem: JAMES AND HIS

WIFE, CHERYL, ARE LEGALLY

SEPARATED AND CAN HAVE NO

CONTACT FOR THE NEXT FIVE

YEARS.

SHE ISN'T SPEAKING

PUBLICLY, BUT ISSUED THIS

STATEMENT TO HIM IN COURT:

"I HOPE IN ALL OF THIS YOU

GET HELP, SERIOUS HELP.

ALTHOUGH THIS PROBATION

MIGHT BE LIKE A SLAP ON

THE WRIST, I HOPE YOU LOOK

AT IT AS A MOMENT TO

BETTER YOURSELF AND CHANGE

SOMETHING WITHIN YOU FOR

YOUR FUTURE."

Efrem: IN TERMS OF

WHAT HAPPENED, THERE ARE

REPORTS THAT YOU THREW HER

AGAINST A WALL, HIT HER

WITH A STOOL, THREW HER

OUT OF THE HOUSE.

WERE THERE ANY BROKEN

BONES?

THERE WERE NO BROKEN

BONES.

THERE WERE NO INTERNAL

INJURIES.

THERE WAS NO BROKEN

PELVIS.

THOSE REPORTS ARE FALSE.

HER BEING BEAT WITH A

STOOL WAS FALSE.

NOW, I DID PUT MY HANDS ON

HER.

I DID PHYSICALLY RESTRAIN

HER AND REMOVE HER FROM MY

ROOM.

THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT

WAS DIFFICULT FOR ME.

A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE

SAYING, DON'T TALK ABOUT

IT.

KIND OF JUST LET IT GO AND

LET PEOPLE FORGET ABOUT

IT, HOPEFULLY, AND MOVE ON

WITH YOUR LIFE.

BUT AS I WAS PRAYING, MY

SPIRIT DIDN'T SIT WELL

WITH ME.

AND GOD WAS, LIKE, I WANT

YOU TO SHARE YOUR STORY

BECAUSE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE

IS SOMETHING THE CHURCH

DOESN'T TALK ABOUT.

I'M STRETCHING OUT SAYING

I WAS A PERPETRATOR OF

DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.

I WAS AN ABUSER IN MORE

WAYS THAN ONE.

Efrem: INSTEAD OF

JUST BELIEVING AND

PRAYING, JAMES IS FULLY

INVOLVED IN THE HEALING.

SINCE THE 2014 ASSAULT, HE

HAS BEEN IN THERAPY AND

ALLOWED OUR CAMERAS TO

FOLLOW HIM TO A MEETING.

I'VE LEARNED A LOT MORE

NOW SINCE I'VE BEEN IN

THERAPY FOR ALMOST 18

MONTHS.

I THOUGHT DOMESTIC

VIOLENCE WAS JUST IF YOU

HIT YOUR WIFE OR SLAP YOUR

WIFE.

I FOUND OUT THERE ARE 18

FORMS OF ABUSE AND ONLY

ONE OF THEM IS PHYSICAL.

IT DIDN'T START WITH

PHYSICAL, BUT THAT NIGHT,

THAT'S WHAT CAUSED ME TO

BE ARRESTED, OBVIOUSLY.

BUT THERE WERE OTHER FORMS

OF ABUSE THAT I WAS A

PERPETRATOR OF,

INTIMIDATION, MALE

PRIVILEGE.

Efrem: YOU'RE

CERTAINLY NOT A VICTIM IN

ALL OF THIS, BUT WHAT ALL

HAVE YOU LOST AS A RESULT

OF THIS?

YOU CAN'T EVEN PUT A

NUMBER ON IT.

BECAUSE EVEN NOW, THERE

ARE SO MANY CHURCHES WHO

DON'T WANT ME IN THEIR

CHURCH.

THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE

ANYTHING TO DO WITH MY

MINISTRY.

A LOT OF CONCERTS WERE

CANCELLED, AND WHO KNOWS

THE CONCERTS THAT WERE

POTENTIALLY THERE, AND

THEY SAY, WE CAN'T HAVE

ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT

NAME.

BUT THAT HASN'T BEEN MY

FOCUS.

THERE WAS A TIME WHEN I

DIDN'T EVEN THINK I WOULD

GET TO THIS PLACE TO FEEL

THE WAY I FEEL NOW.

THERE IS A PLACE WHERE IT

SEEMED LIKE THERE WAS NO

LIGHT AT THE END OF THE

TUNNEL.

Efrem: YOU WERE

SUICIDAL?

I STARTED OUT TAKING

ANTIDEPRESSANTS JUST TO

HELP ME GET SOME SLEEP.

I WAS TAKING THEM TO

BASICALLY JUST GET SOME

REST.

I STARTED FEELING SO

GUILTY FOR WHAT I DID, BAD

CHOICES I MADE IN MY LIFE,

I FELT LIKE I DIDN'T HAVE

ANYTHING TO LIVE FOR.

Efrem: YOU HAVE A

BOTTLE OF PILLS YOU'RE

THINKING I'M GOING TO TAKE

AND END IT ALL.

WHAT STOPPED YOU?

SO MANY PEOPLE WERE

PRAYING FOR ME.

MANY PEOPLE WERE SAYING,

JAMES, IT IS NOT OVER.

MANY PASTORS AND LEADERS

AROUND THE WORLD WERE

REACHING OUT TO ME.

BUT YOU GET TO THE POINT

WHERE YOU SAY, I DON'T

EVEN DESERVE FORGIVENESS.

I'M OUT OF THE REACH OF

GRACE.

FOR ME, IT WAS REMEMBERING

EVEN MY GRANDMOTHER'S

PRAYERS, AND GOD TOLD ME

SOMETHING, AND HE SAID,

JAMES, PRAYERS DON'T

EXPIRE.

Efrem: WHAT HAS BEEN

THE MOST DIFFICULT PART?

FOR ME, THE MOST

DIFFICULT PART IS THE

SEPARATION FROM MY FAMILY,

EVEN MY CHILDREN, TO NOT

KNOW EXACTLY WHY THEIR

FATHER IS NOT AROUND AS

MUCH AS HE USED TO BE.

TRYING TO EXPLAIN THAT TO

THEM AND LET THEM KNOW

THAT I JUST MADE A

HORRIBLE CHOICE.

Efrem: FORTUNE SPENT

SIX MONTHS SEPARATED FROM

HIS FOUR CHILDREN.

THESE DAYS HE IS WITH THEM

AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK.

> YOU POSTED ON SOCIAL

MEDIA, PLEASE PRAY THAT

DURING THIS PROCESS GOD

CONTINUES TO PERFECT AND

RESTORE ME SO I'LL BECOME

A BETTER MAN, FATHER, AND

CHRISTIAN.

YEAH.

Efrem: WHAT HAS THIS

PROCESS BEEN LIKE?

I'LL BE HONEST, THE

PROCESS HAS BEEN VERY,

VERY BEYOND MY

EXPECTATIONS.

MY EYES HAVE BEEN OPEN.

YEAH, IT STARTED OUT

ROUGH.

YEAH, I WAS SUICIDAL AND I

DIDN'T THINK I HAD

ANYTHING TO LIVE FOR, BUT

I'M, LIKE, IT'S OVER.

BUT TO SEE HOW GOD IS JUST

ABLE TO KEEP ME.

EVERY DAY I KEPT GOING TO

SLEEP AND WAKING UP, AND

GOING TO SLEEP AND WAKING

UP, BELIEVING THAT CHANGE

IS GOING TO COME.

AND AS I SHARE, SO MANY

OTHER PEOPLE ARE REACHING

OUT, AND SO MANY WOMEN ARE

SAYING, WE ALWAYS HEAR THE

VICTIMS TALK, BUT WE NEVER

HEAR THE PERPETRATOR,

WHERE THIS COMES FROM, AND

WHY THIS HAPPENS AND WHY

IT IS NOT THEIR FAULT.

SO THE PROCESS IS

SOMETHING THAT I WOULD SAY

IS NECESSARY.

Efrem: AND THERE IS

STILL MORE WORK AHEAD FOR

JAMES FORTUNE AND HIS

FAMILY.

AND HOPEFULLY SOME DAY,

MORE MUSIC.

EFREM GRAHAM, CBN NEWS,

HOUSTON, TEXAS.

Gordon: SOLOMON WROTE

IN ECLEAS ECCLESIASTES, THAT I

LOOKED AT THE OPPRESSED,

AND I SAW THERE WAS NO ONE

TO COMFORT THEM.

AND THEN I LOOKED AT THE

OPPRESSOR AND SAW THERE

WAS NO ONE TO COMFORT

THEM.

SO OFTEN WHEN WE TALK

ABOUT DOMESTIC ABUSE,

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE

VICTIMS, AND WE'RE NOT

TALKING ABOUT THE

PERPETRATORS.

OR WHAT IS LEFT WITH THEM

AFTER THEY HAVE THIS KIND

OF VIOLENT EPISODE, WHERE

NOW THEY'RE IN THE COURT

SYSTEM, THEY'RE IN THE

PRISON SYSTEM, BUT THE

BIGGEST THING IS THEY NO

LONGER HAVE THEIR FAMILY.

THEY NO LONGER HAVE THOSE

RELATIONSHIPS BECAUSE THEY

DID SOMETHING ABSOLUTELY

HORRIBLE.

WHO IS THERE TO COMFORT

THEM?

AND THE THOUGHT, JUST AS

IT WENT THROUGH JAMES'

MIND -- THE THOUGHT, I'VE

DONE SOMETHING I CAN NEVER

BE FORGIVEN FOR.

THIS RELATIONSHIP WILL

NEVER BE RESTORED.

GOD DOESN'T WANT TO HAVE

ANYTHING TO DO WITH ME.

I LOOKED AT THE OPPRESSOR

AND I SAW THERE WAS NO ONE

TO COMFORT THEM.

THE WONDERFUL NEWS WE HAVE

AS CHRISTIANS IS WE KNOW A

COMFORTER.

AND WE CAN GO TO HIM.

AND WE CAN BE HONEST WITH

HIM ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED,

WHAT WE DID, HOW THINGS

HAVE TURNED OUT SO

HORRIBLY.

HOW WE NEVER INTENDED IT.

BUT HERE WE ARE.

AND THE GREAT NEWS IS YOU

CAN POUR ALL OF THAT

BEFORE HIM AT THE CROSS.

HE'LL TAKE THAT.

HE'S NOT GOING TO TURN

AWAY FROM YOU.

AND THE BIBLE SAYS, A

BROKEN AND CONTRITE HEART

HE WILL NOT DESPISE.

DON'T COME TO HIM DENYING.

DON'T COME TO HIM EXCUSING

IT AWAY.

COME TO HIM HONESTLY.

AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT I'VE

DONE AND I HATE THAT.

AND I HATE MYSELF FOR

DOING IT.

CAN YOU CHANGE THAT?

CAN YOU CHANGE ME?

IF YOU PRAY THAT WITH ALL

OF YOUR HEART, HE'LL

RECEIVE YOU.

AND IF YOU NEED HELP WITH

THAT PRAYER, WE'RE HERE

FOR YOU.

WE'RE NOT HERE TO JUDGE

YOU.

WE'RE NOT HERE TO CONDEMN

YOU.

WE'RE HERE TO TELL YOU

THAT THERE IS A GOD WHO

LOVES YOU AND THAT IS ABLE

TO RESTORE.

SO CALL US.

1-888-777-1999.

WELL, HERE IS A STAT THAT

WILL SURPRISE YOU: EVERY

NINE SECONDS A WOMAN IN

THE U.S. IS ASSAULTED OR

BEATEN.

SO IF YOU'RE IN AN ABUSIVE

SITUATION AND YOU'RE

LOOKING FOR HELP, WE HAVE

HELP FOR YOU.

IT'S CALLED "FOCUS

MINISTRIES," AND IT IS A

FAITH-BASED DOMESTIC

MINISTRY.

AND ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS

GO TO THEIR WEBSITE

focusministries1.org.

AND IF YOU NEED PRAYER,

AND IF YOU'RE IN THIS AND

YOU NEED TO GET OUT, GO TO

FOCUS MINISTRIES, AND

THEY'LL BE GLAD TO HELP

YOU.

AND YOU CAN ALWAYS CALL US

FOR PRAYER.

AGAIN, THE NUMBER:

1-888-777-1999.

> REEM IS A 13-YEAR-OLD

GIRL WHO'S BEST FRIEND WAS

KILLED BY A BOMB IN SYRIA.

SHE AND HER MOTHER ESCAPED

TO LEBANON, WHERE THEY

STRUGGLED TO GET BY.

THEN REEM RECEIVED AN

INVITATION THAT NOT ONLY

SAVED HER LIFE, BUT IT

ALSO GAVE HER A PROMISING

FUTURE.

Reporter: WALKING

THROUGH THE SMALL

APARTMENT BUILDING SHE NOW

CALLS HOME, REEM IS

REMINDED OF HER FORMER

LIFE IN SYRIA, AND HOW THE

WAR CHANGED EVERYTHING IN

AN INSTANT.

THE BOMBS FELL WITHOUT

WARNING.

ONE KILLED MY BEST FRIEND,

WHO WAS PLAYING IN A RICE

FIELD.

AND THEN A BOMB HIT OUR

HOUSE.

I WAS SO SCARED.

Reporter: THE FAMILY

FOUND A CAR AND MADE THEIR

WAY THROUGH THE

CHECK-POINTS INTO SOUTHERN

LEBANON, CLAIMING TO BE

WORKERS.

WHEN I MET HER MOTHER,

THEY EXPLAINED THEY LIVE

IN POVERTY, IN A SHARED

APARTMENT EVER SINCE.

WE OFTEN HAVE TO DEPEND

ON OTHERS WITH FOOD AND

RENT.

BUT ONE OF THE HARDEST

THINGS IS SEEING REEM THE

NOT GETTING A GOOD

EDUCATION.

I WOULD SEE HER STANDING

ON THE BALCONY, AND SHE

SAID SHE THOUGHT HOW NICE

IT WOULD FEEL TO GO TO

SCHOOL, AND THAT MADE ME

CRY.

FOR A LITTLE WHILE I

WENT TO A PUBLIC SCHOOL,

BUT THE TEACHERS WERE MEAN

AND BEAT ME AND OTHERS FOR

NO REASON, SO I STOPPED

GOING.

Reporter: AND THEN

REEM WAS INVITED TO COME

TO THE "HEART FOR LEBANON"

CENTER.

HERE SHE AND HUNDREDS OF

OTHER REFUGEES STUDY

ENGLISH AND MATH AND LEARN

ABOUT THE LOVE OF JESUS

CHRIST.

I LOVE THE SCHOOL SO

MUCH BECAUSE THE TEACHERS

TREAT US WELL AND REALLY

CARE ABOUT US.

MY FAVORITE THING IS

LEARNING ABOUT JESUS AND

HOW HE DIED ON THE CROSS

TO SAVE PEOPLE FROM THEIR

SINS.

Reporter: ALL OF THE

KIDS HERE COME FROM MUSLIM

FAMILIES.

THEIR PARENTS KNOW THIS IS

AN OPENLY CHRISTIAN

SCHOOL, AND THAT THIS IS

THE BEST CHANCE THAT THEY

HAVE IN GETTING A GOOD

EDUCATION.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM AT

ALL WITH REEM GOING TO A

CHRISTIAN SCHOOL.

ON THE CONTRARY, SHE HAS

DEVELOPED A SENSE OF LOVE

AND FORGIVENESS THERE.

AS A MOTHER, I AM SUPPOSED

TO TEACH MY CHILD THESE

THINGS.

BUT SHE WAS LEARNING THE

OPPOSITE BECAUSE OF THE

WAR IN SYRIA.

NOW SHE COMES TO ME AND

TELLS ME ABOUT GOOD

MANNERS AND A POSITIVE

ATTITUDE.

Reporter: AND THE

HOPE CENTER ALSO SHOWS

"SUPERBOOK" IN ARABIC, TO

HELP THE CHILDREN BETTER

UNDERSTAND THE BIBLE.

I REALLY ENJOY

"SUPERBOOK" BECAUSE I CAN

SEE THE STORIES OF JESUS.

I LIKE THAT JESUS IS

TEACHING US NOT TO LIE OR

HURT OTHERS, BUT TO

RESPECT LIFE AND FORGIVE

THOSE WHO DO BAD FOR US.

MY FAVORITE PART IS

GETTING UP AND PRAYING TO

JESUS AT THE "SUPERBOOK"

EPISODE.

Reporter: REEM AND

HER MOTHER ALSO GET FOOD

FROM "HEART FOR LEBANON,"

AND CBN.

SEE REEM COME HOME FROM

SCHOOL BEING EXCITED MAKES

ME VERY HAPPY.

I JUST WANT TO THANK ALL

OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE

HELPING SUPPORT US.

GOD BLESS YOU.

I WANT TO THINK THE

CHRISTIANS AND EVERYONE

WHO IS HELPING US WITH ALL

OF MY HEART.

I PRAY THAT PEOPLE

WOULD STOP DOING EVIL

THINGS TO OTHER PEOPLE.

JESUS MEANS THE WORLD TO

ME.

Gordon: THE GOSPEL

WORKS.

HERE IS A WORD FROM

ROMANS: "FOR THE WAGES OF

SIN IS DEATH, BUT THE GIFT

OF GOD IS ETERNAL LIFE IN

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