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Jerusalem Dateline: Could This Be the Very Floor On Which Jesus Walked? 09/09/16

This week on Jerusalem Dateline: archeological discovery reveals more of the temple where Jesus taught; and could the Muslim Brotherhood influence US presidential campaign? plus meet the American heroes who stopped a terrorist on a train to Paris. Read Transcript


Chris: THIS WEEK ON

"JERUSALEM DATELINE,"

ARCHEOLOGISTS SAY AN

HISTORIC DISCOVERY REVEALS

MORE OF WHAT THE TEMPLE

WHERE JESUS TAUGHT LOOKED

LIKE.

THIS IS THE VERY FLOOR

UPON WHICH THE COINS WERE

ROLLING WHEN JESUS TURNED

THE TABLES OF THE MONEY

CHANGERS UPSIDE DOWN.

Chris: AND AN

EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW ORCH

THON THECONCERNS MANY HAVE ON HOW

THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD

COULD CHANGE THE CAMPAIGN.

> HELLO, AND WELCOME TO

THIS EDITION OF "JERUSALEM

DATELINE."

I'M CHRIS MITCHELL.

THISWEE WEEK WE'RE COMING

FROM YOU WITH THE SEA OF

GALIAD BEHIND YOU.

FIRST, IN COUNTRIES NOT

TOO FAR FROM HERE,

CHRISTIANS AND OTHER

PEOPLES ARE SUFFERING A

GENOCIDE.

GROUPS MET IN WASHINGTON,

D.C. TO DISCUSS THE CRISIS

AND PERSONALLY CALL ON

LAWMAKERS TO DO MORE.

ABIGAIL ROBERTSON HAS THE

STORY.

Reporter: THE

GREATEST HUMANITARIAN

CRISIS OF OUR ERA IS

UNFOLDING IN THE MIDDLE

EAST, WITH THOUSANDS OF

CHRISTIAN POPULATIONS

FACING GENOCIDE.

THE VIDEO DEPICTS ISIS

GUNMEN SHOOTING THE

CHRISTIANS IN A DESERT

AREA.

IT ALSO SHOWS ISIS KILLERS

BEHEADING THE OT

CHRISTIANOTHERCHRISTIANS ON THE BEACH.

MY DAUGHTER HAS

NIGHTMARES AND SCREAMS

DURING THE NIGHT.

Reporter: THE

TERRORISTS TRIED TO ERASE

MALULA'S CHRISTIAN'S

HERITAGE.

Reporter: A GROUP

CALLED "IN DEFENSE OF

CHRISTIANS" ORGANIZED

THREE DAYS OF EVENTS IN

WASHINGTON, AIMED AT NOT

ONLY GETTING THE LAWMAKERS

TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE BUT

TO DISCUSS HOW AMERICAN

BELIEVERS CAN GET

INVOLVED.

WE'RE SEEING THINGS GET

WORSE, IN IRAQ, SYRIA,

LEBANON.

WE HAVE YET TO TURN THE

CORNER AND YET TO KIND OF

SORT OF WITNESS ANY OF THE

PROGRESS WE WOULD LIKE TO

SEE.

Reporter: LEADERS

FROM "IN DEFENSE OF

CHRISTIANS" SAY ONE OF THE

GREATEST HOPES FOR ENDING

CHRISTIAN PERSECUTION IN

THE MIDDLE EAST IS BY

BRINGING AWARENESS TO

EVANGELICAL AWARENESS WHO

CAN ADVOCATE FOR THEIR

BROTHERS AND SISTERS

AROUND THE WORLD.

WHAT THEY'RE VERY OFTEN

SAYING IS, ONCE THIS ISSUE

ENDS UP IN THE HANDS OF

AMERICAN EVANGELICALS,

THAT WILL BE THE THING

THAT CHANGES THE ISSUE AND

CHANGES CHRISTIANITY IN

THE MIDDLE EAST.

Reporter: DURAN

SUGGESTED HOW CHURCHES CAN

HELP BY SPONSORING TRIPS

TO SAFER PARTS OF THE

MIDDLE EAST, AND LOBBYING

ELECTED OFFICIALS TO

CREATE SAFE HAVENS FOR

THOSE SUFFERING.

CALLING YOUR MEMBERS OF

CONGRESS, CALLING YOUR

ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES,

AND TELLING THEM THAT YOU

CARE ABOUT THE CHRISTIANS

IN THE MIDDLE EAST.

I THINK THEY SHOULD TAKE

SITE VISITS AROUND THE

MIDDLE EAST, GOING TO

REFUGEE CAMPS, AND TELLING

CHRISTIANS THAT THEY CARE,

SHOWING THEM THEY CARE,

AND IN FIGURING OUT

HUMANITARIAN AND POLITICAL

SOLUTIONS TO THE PROBLEMS.

Reporter: I D.C. AND

OTHER GROUPS FEEL IF

ENOUGH PEOPLE FIGHT, THE

ADMINISTRATION WILL BE

FORCED TO GET INVOLVED,

TOO.

Chris: POLICE TO

CONTINUE TO PRAY FOR

CHRISTIANS AND OTHER

GROUPS SUFFERING GENOCIDE

IN THE MIDDLE EAST.

> ON A MORE POSITIVE

NOTE, ISRAELI

ARCHEOLOGISTS ANNOUNCED

THEY DISCOVERED WHAT THE

FLOOR OF THE SECOND JEWISH

TEMPLE LOOKED LIKE.

IT IS AN AMAZING STORY OF

HOW THE NEW DISCOVERIES

ARE BRINGING BOTH THE PAST

AND THE BIBLE TO LIFE.

THIS FIND CAME AS

ARCHEOLOGISTS

RECONSTRUCTED

2,000-YEAR-OLD TILES FROM

THE SECOND JEWISH TEMPLE,

BUILT BY KING HARROD.

THESE ARE THE VERY

FLOORS UPON WHICH THE HIGH

PREEFORTS ANPRIESTS AND THE PILGRIMS

WHO CAME TO THE TEMPLE

MOUNT WALKED, AND THIS IS

THE FLOOR UPON WHICH JESUS

WALKED WHEN HE CAME TO THE

TEMPLE MOUNT.

Chris: THIS DISCOVERY

RESULTED FROM A

CONTROVERSY IN 1999, WHEN

TONS OF DEBRIS WAS

ILLEGALLY REMOVED FROM

UNDER THE TEMPLE MOUNT TO

BUILD AN UNDERGROUND

MOSQUE.

NOW WE HAVE THE PIECES

OF THE FLOORING TILES FOR

THE LAST 12 YEARS OF WORK,

FROM THE SOIL OF THE

TEMPLE MOUNT.

WE IDENTIFIED THEM

ALREADY, SOME 10 YEARS

AGO, AND WE UNDERSTOOD

THAT THEY BELONGED TO SUCH

FLOORS.

Chris: THE TEMPLE

MOUNT SIFTING PROJECT

BEGAN IN 2004.

FOR MORE A DECADE,

VOLUNTEERS AND STAFF FROM

ISRAEL AND AROUND THE

WORLD HAVE BEEN EXAMINING

THE DEBRIS FROM THE TEMPLE

MOUNT AND MAKING HISTORIC

DISCOVERIES.

THIS IS THE FIRST TIME

WE ARE ABLE TO RESTORE ONE

OF THE ELEMENTS OF THE

ARCHITECTURE OF THE SECOND

TEMPLE IN JERUSALEM.

Chris: ARCHEOLOGISTS

CONFIRMED THE AUTHENTICITY

OF THESE PIECES, BASED ON

THE VERY SIZES, MATERIALS,

AND TECHNIQUE BY WHICH

THEY WERE MADE.

I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD

BE ABLE TO FIND SOMETHING

THAT IS SO MUCH CONNECTED

TO THE TEMPLE PROPER.

Chris: PROJECT

DIRECTOR ABBEY BARKI

POINTED OUT WHY THIS

ACHIEVEMENT SHOULD BE

IMPORTANT FOR CHRISTIANS.

THIS IS THE VERY FLOOR

UPON WHICH THE COINS WERE

ROLLING WHEN JESUS TURNED

THE TABLES THE

MONEY--CHANGERS UPSIDE

DOWN.

THIS IS THE FLOOR ON WHICH

THE COINS WERE ROLLING.

WE HAVE SEVERAL

DIFFERENT STORIES WHERE

JESUS WAS TEACHING, AND

THEY'RE STANDING AND

SITTING RIGHT HERE ON

THOSE FLOORS.

Chris: MATHEMATICIAN

FRANKI SCHNEIDER PLAYED A

KILL ROLE IN PUTTING THE

PATTERNS TOGETHER.

SHE RO RESTORED THE ORNATE

PATTERNS WITH COMPARISONS

TO DESIGNS AT HARROD'S

PALACES.

IN THE HARRODIAN

PATTERNS, THE MAT MATHEMATICS

IS AMAZING.

Chris: SO FAR 600

STONE TILE PIECES HAVE

BEEN DISCOVERED.

IT IS LIKE PUTTING

TOGETHER A PUZZLE, BUT

WITHOUT A BOX TOP.

AND YOU ONLY HAVE ABOUT 1%

OF THE TILES.

THE TEMPLE WAS THERE, BUT

WE CAN SHOW YOU MORE

CLEARLY EXACTLY WHAT WAS

THERE.

Chris: FOR YEARS

PRESENT-DAY VISITORS TO

THE TEMPLE MOUNT IMAGINED

HARROD'S TEMPLE WAS MADE

FROM WHITE STONE.

NOW BARKI SAYS THE

RESTORATION OF THE FLOOR

TILES GIVES A DEEPER

UNDERSTANDING AND

APPRECIATION FOR THE GLORY

OF THE SECOND JEWISH

TEMPLE.

THE SECOND JEWISH TEMPLE

TODD OSTOOD ON THE TEMPLE MOUNT

2,000 YEARS AGO AGO, AND

NOW THE AL-AQSA MOUNT SITS

THERE.

BUT JUST A RUMOR ABOUT

ISRAEL THREATENING THE

SITE SENDS MUSLIMS AROUND

THE WORLD INTO A PANIC.

IT IS AIMED AT NOT ONLY

UNDERMINING ISRAEL, BUT

JUDEO-CHRISTIAN VALUES AS

WELL.

IT IS ONE OF THE MOST HOLY

AND CONTESTED PIECES OF

REAL ESTATE ON EARTH, THE

TEMPLE MOUNT.

FOR DECADES, ISLAMIC

LEADERS HAVE INCITED

MUSLIMS TO VIOLENCE BY

TELLING THEM THAT THE

TEMPLE MOUNT WAS IN

DANGER.

THEY SAY IT IS A THREAT

EVEN FOR JEWS TO PRAY ON

THE SACRED PLATEAU.

EXTREME MOVEMENTS

BELIEVE THAT ISRAEL IS

PLANNING TO VISIT THE

THIRD TEMPLE AND TO

DESTROY THEIR HOLY SHRINE.

Chris: KNOWN IN AR

BACARABIC AS THE NOBLE

SANCTUARY, IT IS THE PLACE

WHERE TWO CO CONSECUTIVE

JEWISH TEMPLES ONCE STOOD.

THE SECOND WAS DESTROYED

BY THE ROMANCE.

AL-AQSA WAS FIRST BUILT IN

705 A.D.

IN MUSLIM THEOLOGY, THE

SITE PRECEDES THE JEWS AND

GOES BACK TO CREATION.

ADAM, WHEN HE DESCENDED

FROM HEAVEN, HE CAME HERE

AND HE PRAYED HERE.

THERE IS NO DIFFERENT,

BETWEEN SOLOMAN AND KING

DAVID.

Chris: TODAY THE

ENTIRE PLATEAU IS REFERRED

TO AS THE AL-AQSA.

THEY WROTE, THE AL-AQSA IS

IN DANGER, THE HISTORY OF

A LIE.

HE SAYS WHEN MUSLIM

LEADERS WANT TO UNITE THE

MASSES, THEY CLAIM IT IS

IN DANGER.

IT AMASSES THE THE

PEOPLE AND CAUSES

VIOLENCE.

THEY SAY AL-AQSA IS IN

DANGER, AND THIS IS

BASELESS.

Chris: THIS

ARCHEOLOGIST SAYS THERE

HAVE BEEN EXCAVATIONS NEAR

THE TEMPLE MOUNT, BUT

NEVER UNDER IT.

ONE OF THE CORNERSTONES

OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION

WAS NEVER TOUCHED.

Chris: HE SAYS IT WAS

MUSLIMS, NOT JEWS, WHO

BEGAN DIGGING IN AN

ATTEMPT TO REWRITE

HISTORY.

SINCE THE '90s, THERE

WERE MANY DESTRUCTIVE

DIGGINGS GOING ON IN THE

TEMPLE MOUNT, WHICH WERE

NOT FOR ARCHEOLOGICAL

PURPOSES, BUT THE

CONTRARY, FOR DESTROYING

ARCHEOLOGICAL DATA.

Chris: AROUND 2,000,

THE ISLAMIC AUTHORITY DUG

UP THOUSANDS OF YEARS OF

HISTORY WITH BULLDOZERS

FROM UNDER THE TEMPLE

MOUNT TO MAKE ROOM FOR A

GIANT MOSQUE.

BARKI HEADED OUT TO SAVE

ARTIFACTS FROM THE

DISCARDED MATERIAL.

YEARS LATER, ARCHEOLOGISTS

AND VOLUNTEERS STILL SIFT

THROUGH THE DEBRIS.

THEN GRAND MAJI AGAINST

ISRAEL ACCUSED THE JEWS OF

WANTING TO COLLAPSE THE

TEMPLE ON THE MOUNT.

DR. YITZAK SAYS,.

THEY BELIEVE THE

AL-AQSA IS IN DANGER.

Chris: IN 1969, THE

MUSLIM WORLD BLAMED ISRAEL

FOR THE ARSON ATTACK ON

THE AL-AQSA MOSQUE BY A

VISITING AUSTRALIAN

CHRISTIAN.

THAT LIE CONTINUES TODAY.

MORE TROUBLE IN 1996, THE

WORST ISRAELI-PALESTINIAN

VIOLENCE IN 30 YEARS BROKE

OUT WHEN ISRAEL OPEN AN

EXIT FROM THE WESTERN WALL

TUNNELS HALF A MILE FROM

AL-AQSA.

AND IN 2004, RAIN, SNOW,

AND A MINOR EARTHQUAKE

TOPPLED THE TOP OF THE

TEMPLE MOUNT, AND THAT

SPARKED AN UP ROAR WHEN

ISRAEL TRIED TO REBUILD

IT.

IT IS IN DANGER.

THEY ARE DIGGING AND

DIGGING AND DIGGING, AND

THEY DON'T FIND ANYTHING.

GOD WILL SAVE IT.

Chris: EXPERTS SAY IT

IS IMPORTANT THE WEST

TAKES NOTICE NOW BECAUSE

MILLIONS OF MUSLIMS

BELIEVE THE LIE IS TRUE.

THEY SAY IF IT BROUGHT

VIOLENCE IN THE PAST, IT

WILL DO SO IN THE FUTURE.

> COMING UP, COULD THE

MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD HAVE AN

IMPACT ON THE U.S.

PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN?

THE ANSWER, WHEN WE COME

Chris: WELCOME BACK

TO "JERUSALEM DATELINE."

THE UNITED STATES IS IN

THE MIDDLE OF AN INTENSE

PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN.

AND DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE

HILLARY CLINTON IS GETTING

A LOT OF SCRUTINY ABOVE

THE RELATIONSHIP WITH HER

CLOSEST AID, HUMA ABEDIN.

DAVID BRODY TALKED ABOUT

THIS WITH FORMER

CONGRESSWOMAN MICHELE

BACHMANN, ABOUT THE

CONCERNS MANY HAVE ABOUT

THIS RELATIONSHIP AND WHAT

IT MEANS FOR ISRAEL.

David: WHAT IS THE

MAIN CONCERN THAT YOU HAVE

AS IT RELATES TO SOME OF

HER CONNECTIONS WITH MER

MOHERMOM AND FATHER -- HER LATE

FATHER.

WHAT IS THE MAIN CONCERN?

DOES IT HAVE TO DO WITH

SECURITY CLEARANCES?

OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT

SAYS YOU DO NOT GET A

SECURITY CLEARANCE AS A

FEDERAL EMPLOY IF YOU HAVE

FAMILY CONNECTIONS OR

RELATIONSHIP CONNECTIONS

THAT COULD IN SOME WAY

IMPERIL THE SECURITY OF

THE UNITED STATES FOR

OBVIOUS REASONS.

MY QUESTION WAS WHETHER OR

NOT HILLARY CLINTON AND

THE STATE DEPARTMENT HAD

GRANTED HUMA ABEDIN A

SECURITY CLEARANCE.

WHY?

THIS IS WHY: HUMA ABEDIN'S

FATHER WAS A SENIOR MEMBER

OF THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD.

HER MOTHER WAS A SENIOR

MEMBER OF THE MUSLIM

SISTERHOOD.

THE SAUDI FAMILY ASKED HER

PARENTS TO LEAVE MICHIGAN,

WHERE HER FATHER WAS A

Ph.D. AND WAS TEACHING

IN MICHIGAN, THEY ASKED

THEM TO LEAVE MICHIGAN AND

TRAVEL TO SAUDI ARABIA AND

SET UP A MAGAZINE THAT

ULTIMATELY BECAME CALLED

"THE JOURNAL OF MINORITY

MUSLIM AFFAIRS."

WHAT THIS JOURNAL DID WAS

LOOK AT COUNTRIES THAT

WERE NOT ISLAMIC

COUNTRIES.

AND THEY TRIED TO PUSH THE

ADVANCEMENT OF SHAR'IA LAW

IN COUNTRIES THAT WERE NOT

ISLAMIC.

YOU HAVE TO ASK YOURSELF,

WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF

THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD?

THE PURPOSE WAS TO

ESTABLISH ISLAMIC SHAR'IA

LAW EVERYWHERE.

HUMA ABEDIN'S PARENTS WERE

SENIOR MEMBERS IN THAT

ORGANIZATION, WITH THAT

PURPOSE.

AND THEN YOU HAVE TO ASK

YOURSELF, WHAT WAS THE

PURPOSE OF THE "JOURNAL OF

MUSLIM MINORITY AFFAIRS?"

IN COUNTRIES WHERE MUSLIM

IS NOT THE LAW OF THE

LAND, LIKE THE UNITED

STATES, THEIR GOAL WAS TO

PUSH OR ADVANCE ISLAMIC

SHAR'IA LAW IN COUNTRIES

LIKE THE UNITED STATES.

SO THAT WAS THE FAMILY

BUSINESS.

HER FATHER BEGAN THE

MAGAZINE.

HER MOTHER ALSO WAS

INVOLVED WITH THE

MAGAZINE.

HUMA ABEDIN WAS LISTED AS

AN ASSISTANT EDITOR,

DECIDING WHAT THEY WOULD

PRINT, WHAT THE STORIES

WOULD BE IN THIS MAGAZINE.

FOR QUITE A FEW YEARS?

FOR 12 SHE WAS LISTED

IN THE MAGAZINE, AND HER

BROTHER WAS ON THIS

MAGAZINE AND HER SISTER

WAS.

SO THIS IS THE FAMILY

BUSINESS.

ADVANCING ISLAMIC SHAR'IA

LAW IN COUNTRIES WHERE IT

WAS NOT THE DOMINANT

RELIGION.

THE BIBLE TELLS US, WHO WE

SURROUND US WITH MAKES A

BIG DIFFERENCE IN WHO WE

ARE.

HILLARY CLINTON'S NUMBER

ONE CHIEF AIDE SINCE THE

EARLY 1990s IS HUMA

ABEDIN.

WHILE MRS. CLINTON WAS A

UNITED STATES SENATOR FOR

12 YEARS, FROM 1996 UNTIL

2008, HUMA ABEDIN'S NAME

WAS LISTED AS AN ASSISTANT

EDITOR ON THE MASS HEAD OF

A MAGAZINE WHO'S PURPOSE

WAS TO ADVANCE ISLAMIC

SHAR'IA LAW IN NON-ISLAMIC

COUNTRIES I.E., THE UNITED

STATES OF AMERICA.

AND FROM WHAT I KNOW OF

FEDERAL LAW, SHE NEVER

WOULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN A

SECURITY CLEARANCE TO BE

ANYWHERE NEAR THE FIRST

LADY OR NEAR A UNITED

STATES SENATOR WITH THOSE

KIND OF MORE THAN

QUESTIONABLE FAMILY

RELATIONSHIPS.

WHO A PRESIDENT SURROUNDS

THEMSELVES WITH -- I KENT

EVEN TELL YOU HOW

PROFOUNDLY IMPORTANT IT

IS.

THE BIBLE TELLS US,

WHOEVER SPEAKS INTO THE

KING'S EAR, THAT IS WHO

YOU NEED TO BE PRAYING

FOR, THOSE COUNSELLORS.

TAKE A LOOK AT HILLARY

CLINTON.

HUMA ABEDIN, THE PEOPLE

SHE IS SURROUNDING HERSELF

WITH -- WHEN SHE IS

PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED

STATES, THE ENEMIES OF

ISRAEL WILL BE LIFTED UP.

I BELIEVE THE ENEMIES OF

BIBLICAL CHRISTIANITY AND

BIBLICAL JUDAISM WILL BE

AT RISK.

Chris: UP NEXT,

THEY'RE THE HEROS OF THE

1517 TRAIN TO PARIS.

FIND OUT HOW THESE BOYHOOD

FRIENDS STOPPED THE TERROR

Chris: WELCOME BACK.

AS I MENTIONED EARLIER,

WE'RE COMING TO YOU IN THE

DESERT, WHERE THEY'RE

GROWING THE BALM OF

GILLIAD, AND FRANKINCENSE.

WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF YOU

WERE CONFRONTED WITH A

TERRORIST WITH AN AK-47

AND A BACKPACK FULL OF

AMMUNITION.

NOT TOO LONG AGO IN OUR

O CBN STUDIO, I TALKED TO

TWO MEN WHO KNEW WHAT TO

DO AND SAVED DOZENS OF

LIVES IN THE PROCESS.

Reporter: THREE

AMERICAN TOURISTS BOARDED

A FRAI TRAIN FROM BRUSSELS TO

PARIS ON AUGUST 21st,

2015.

A HEAVILY ARMED ISIS

TERRORIST WAS ALSO ON

BOARD.

WHEN KHAZZANI BEGAN TO

CARRY OUT HIS ATTACK, HE

RAN STRAIGHT INTO THE

THREE AMERICANS WHO RISKED

THEIR LIVES TO DISARM HIM,

AND SAVING HUNDREDS OF

LIVES IN THE PROCESS.

THEY TELL THEIR STORY IN

THE NEW BOOK, "THE 1517 TO

PARIS, THE TRUE STORY OF A

TERRORIST, A TRAIN, AND

THREE AMERICAN HERO."

ANTHONY SADLER AND

SPENCSPENCER STONE IS WITH ME

NOW.

ANTHONY, AND SPENCER,

GREAT TO BE WITH YOU.

THANKS FOR HAVING US,

SIR.

Chris: TELL US WHAT

HAPPENED?

WHAT ALERTED YOU THAT

SOMETHING WAS WRONG?

ANTHONY AND I WERE

ACTUALLY ASLEEP AT THE

TIME.

AND A TRAIN EMPLOYEE RAN

DOWN THE CENTER AISLE IN

BETWEEN US.

THAT WOKE US UP.

I HAD HEADPHONES ON, AND I

TOOK THEM OFF.

I LOOKED OVER AT ALEC, AND

HE WAS SORT OF TURNED

AROUND.

I HEARD PEOPLE SCREAMING.

I LOOKED TOWARDS THE BACK

OF THE TRAIN, I SEE HIM

COMING TOWARDS THE DOOR

AND HE IS PICKING UP AN

AK-47.

Chris: SPENCER, YOU

KNEW SOMETHING WAS WRONG

WHEN YOU SAW THE GUN?

YEAH.

Chris: WHAT WAS YOUR

INITIAL REACTION?

I THINK EVERYBODY WAS

IN SHOCK.

I LOOKED BACK TO SEE IF

ANYBODY WAS GOING TO DO

ANYTHING.

I HAD NO HOPE WE WERE

GOING TO SURVIVE THIS.

I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO

DIE RIGHT THEN AND THERE.

BUT HE HADN'T STARTED

SHOOTING YET, SO I

THOUGHT, HEY, I'LL GIVE IT

A SHOT.

I RAN AND I HAD ABOUT

30 FEET TO COVER.

AND HE ACTUALLY POINTED AT

ME AND PULLED THE TRIGGER,

AND THE FIRE PIN STRUCK

THE PRIMER, BUT IT WAS A

BAD PRIM MEER WITH THE

BULLET.

ANOTHER MOMENT OF GOD THAT

KEPT US ALIVE.

Chris: AND ANTHONY,

YOU WERE BEHIND?

YES.

WITHIN SECONDS, SPENCER

HAD GOTTEN UP OUT OF HIS

SEAT TO TACKLE HIM.

AND ONCE I SAW SPENCER GET

UP, IT WAS NATURAL FOR US

TO FOLLOW OUR FRIEND IN

THE BATTLE.

Chris: SO YOU WEREN'T

THINKING MUCH ABOUT IT.

IT WAS JUST INSTINCT?

YEAH, JUST INSTINCT.

THE WAY WE WERE RAISED,

PUT OTHERS BEFORE

OURSELVES AND TRUST GOD.

AND LUCKILY EVERYTHING

WORKED OUT.

Chris: WHEN YOU GET

TO THE TERRORIST, WHAT

HAPPENED THERE?

I TACKLED HIM AND HE

HIT ME WITH THE GUN, AND

BLINDED ME IN ONE EYE, AND

I STARTED BLEEDING.

I I WAI WAS ABLE TO SCUFFLE WITH

HIM, AND I PUT HIM IN A

CHOKE, AND THAT'S WHEN

ALEX AND ANTHONY RAN UP.

HE CUT ME IN THE BACK OF

MY NECK WITH THE BOX

CUTTER, AND HE CUT MY LEFT

THUMB DOWN TO THE BONE AND

SEVERED MY TENDON.

IT WAS A CRAZY SITUATION,

BUT WE EVENTUALLY CHOKED

HIM UNCONSCIOUS.

Chris: DO YOU THINK

THIS IS A LESSON FOR

ATTACKS THAT MAY HAPPEN,

WHETHER IN SAN

BERNARDINO --

I THINK WE HEAR ABOUT

TERRORISM AND MASS

CASUALTIES, BUT I THINK

THAT STORY PROVIDES A

DIFFERENT LIGHT TO THAT.

NOBODY LOST LIFE,

INCLUDING THE GUNMAN.

WE HOPE THAT THE READERS

SEE THAT THIS CHANGES THE

NARRATIVE, AND THAT SOME

THINGS CAN BE AVERTED IN

THE FUTURE.

Chris: WHAT ROLE DO

YOU THINK FAITH HAD TO DO

WITH DOING WHAT YOU DID?

100%.

EVEN JUST GETTING US TO

THE POINT AND HAVING

EVERYONE THERE ON THE

TRAIN WITH A SPECIFIC

SKILL SET WAS A MIRACLE IN

ITSELF.

WE HAD THE PERFECT PEOPLE

IN PLACE.

ME AND ANTHONY AND ALEX

WERE DEFICIT TIN DESTINED TO BE ON

THAT TRAIN.

I FEEL LIKE WE USED EVERY

SKILL WE PICKED UP ALONG

THE WAY IN A MATTER OF 30

MINUTES.

Chris: YOU'VE WRITTEN

A BOOK CALLED "THE 1517 TO

PARIS," AND IN THE BOOK,

DO YOU THINK THIS IS

ANOTHER WAY FOR PEOPLE TO

LEARN THE LESSON THAT

PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW RIGHT

NOW.

I THINK IT IS A GOOD

REFLECTION.

I THINK IT IS A GOOD TOOL

THAT IS OUT THERE.

AND WE HOPE OUR STORY

PROVIDES SOME HOPE TO

PEOPLE OUT THERE IN THE

WORLD, WHERE TERRORISM IS

SO PREVALENT.

Chris: THANKS FOR

WHAT YOU DID, ORDINARY

HEROS, BUT I THINK, AS YOU

SAID, ANCH ( UNCLEAR ) IT

IANTHONY, IT IS AGREAT WAY TO CHANGE THE

NARRATIVE OF ALL OF THE

THINGS THAT IS HAPPENING

IN THE WORLD.

THANK YOU.

Chris: WELCOME BACK.

WE'LL LEAVE YOU THIS WEEK

WITH A BEAUTIFUL VIEW OF

JERUSALEM FROM ABOVE.

THANKS FOR JOINING US.

REMEMBER, YOU CAN FOLLOW

US THROUGHOUT THE WEEK ON

Facebook, TWITTER, OR

INSTAGRAM.

I'M CHRIS MITCHELL.

WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT TIME ON

"JERUSALEM DATELINE."

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