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700 Club Interactive - March 10, 2017

A teenage girl is known for her faith and then killed for it. Mother of Columbine victim, Rachel Scott, shares how she was able to forgive the shooters. Read Transcript


IT IS THE LARGEST

SCHOOL MASSACRE IN U.S.

HISTORY.

Gordon: A TRAGEDY

THAT ROCKED OUR NATION.

THE TWO GUNMEN ARE

DEAD, REPORTEDLY BY THEIR

OWN HAND.

Gordon: THE COLUMBINE

SHOOTING THAT CLAIMED 13

LIVES.

THEY WALKED UP TO HER,

THEY PUT A GUN TO HER

FOREHEAD, AND THEY STARTED

MOCKING HER FOR HER FAITH.

Gordon: RACHEL

SCOTT'S MOTHER, BETH NEMO,

SHOWS WHY SHE IS SHARING

HER DAUGHTER'S JOURNAL.

I REALLY WANT KIDS TO

BE INSPIRED TO BE STRONG

IN THEIR BELIEF.

Gordon: AND HOW

FORGIVENESS IS THE KEY.

WITHOUT IT, YOU JUST

KEEP RELIVING THAT MOMENT

AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN.

Gordon: ALL ON

TODAY'S "700 CLUB

INTERACTIVE."

> WELL, GOOD MORNING,

AND WELCOME TO THE SHOW.

IN THE MIDST OF A NATIONAL

DEBATE OVER TRANSGENDER

RIGHTS, A NEW YORK DOLL

COMPANY HAS UNVEILED THE

WORLD'S FIRST TRANSGENDER

DOLL.

Terry: THE JAZZ DOLL

WAS INTRODUCED AT THE

INTERNATIONAL TOY FAIR IN

NEW YORK CITY.

THE DOLL IS MADE IN THE

LIKENESS OF THE REALITY

TELEVISION STAR JAZZ

JENNINGS, WHO WAS BORN A

BOY, BUT IDENTIFIES AS A

GIRL.

HE IS A TRANSGENDER

ADVOCATE WHO TOLD HER

FAMILY SHE IDENTIFIED AS

FEMALE WHEN SHE WAS ONLY

FIVE YEARS OLD, MAKING HER

ONE OF THE YOUNGEST PEOPLE

TO PUBLICLY IDENTIFY AS

TRANS.

THE DOLL WILL TESTED IN 50

STORES BEGINNING IN JULY,

AND WILL BE SOLD FOR $89

TO $99.

WOW.

Gordon: ARE YOU GOING

TO RUN O OUT AN OUT AND BUY ONE?

Terry: I DON'T THINK

SO.

Gordon: I DON'T

UNDERSTAND THE MARKETING

HERE.

UNLESS IT IS JUST THE

SHOCK VALUE, TO GET A NEWS

STORY.

Terry: OR SORT OF

SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO

PROMOTE THE AGENDA OF

THIS, OBVIOUSLY.

BUT IT'S REALLY -- TALK

ABOUT CONFUSING TO

CHILDREN.

IF IT IS NOT CONFUSING

ENOUGH IF YOU DEAL WITH

THIS YOURSELF, BUT SOME OF

THE OTHER THINGS WE'RE

HEARING ABOUT HAPPENING

CULTURALLY ARE CONFUSING,

AT BEST.

Gordon: WASN'T THE

KEN DOLL CONFUSING ENOUGH?

Terry: THE KEN DOLL

STILL IS CONFUSING ENOUGH.

Gordon: A LEADING

SCHOOL IN LONDON IS

ALLOWING GIRLS TO

SELF-IDENTIFY AS BOYS OR

AS GENDER NEUTRAL.

THEY CAN ALSO CHANGE THEIR

NAMES TO BOYS' NAMES AND

WEAR BOYS' CLOTHING.

10 GIRLS HAVE GONE THROUGH

THE PROCESS SO FAR.

Terry: OVER MER HERE IN

THE UNITED STATES, PARENTS

IN INDIANA ARE FURIOUS

AFTER EIGHTH GRADERS AT

LINCOLN HIGH SCHOOL WERE

TAUGHT ABOUT GENDER

IDENTITY ISSUES WITHOUT

THE PARENTS BEING NOTIFIED

IN ADVANCE.

THE STUDENTS ALSO HAD TO

ANSWER A QUESTIONNAIRE

WITH PROBING QUESTIONS

LIKE: WHAT IS GENDER?

AT WHAT AGE DO KIDS START

BEING EXPOSED TO GENDER

STEREOTYPES?

WHAT IS AN L.B.G.Q. ALLY?

NAME AT LEAST THREE

RESOURCES THAT YOU CAN USE

TO SUPPORT YOU IF YOU COME

OUT?

WOW.

Gordon: THAT IS A

VERY -- IT'S UNBELIEVE.

I REMEMBER ALL OF THE

FIGHTS ABOUT, SHOULD SEX

EDUCATION BE TAUGHT, AND

SHOULD IT BE TAUGHT IN

ORDER TO PREVENT TEEN

PREGNANCY OR THE

TRANSMISSION OF DISEASE.

IT WAS ALWAYS A HEALTH

CONCERN --

Terry: IT IS NOT THAT

IT IS BEING TAUGHT, BUT

HOW IT IS BEING TAUGHT.

Gordon: AND I THINK

THEY'RE ADVANCING AN

AGENDA BECAUSE IT IS NOT

AN AGE WHERE YOU NEED TO

BE QUESTIONING WHO YOU

ARE.

Terry: AND IT'S ALSO

NOT THE SCHOOL'S JOB TO DO

THIS WITH OUR CHILDREN.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT

PARENTS SHOULD DISCUSS AT

HOME WITH THEIR KIDS.

TALK ABOUT PROMOTING

SOMETHING, I THINK THIS

PROMOTES, FOR PARENTS WHO

ARE CONCERNED, PRIVATE

EDUCATION, HOME-SCHOOLING,

WAYS THAT YOU FEEL LIKE

MAYBE YOU CAN GET SOME

CONTROL BACK IN THIS ARENA

AGAIN.

Gordon: YEAH.

LET'S GET SOME VOUCHERS

GOING SO WE CAN HAVE A

CHOICE.

Terry: WELL, THE

FOUNDER OF A U.K.

CHRISTIAN TV NETWORK HAS

FOUND A UNIQUE WAY TO

SHARE THE GOSPEL, BY

DISPLAYING QUOTES FROM

JESUS ON BUSES THROUGHOUT

LONDON.

HOWARD CONDOR STARTED HIS

CAREER AS A MUSICIAN AND

SAYS HE BELIEVES GOD IS

USING HIS PAST

SELF-PROMOTING SKILLS TO

NOW PROMOTE JESUS.

HOWARD SAYS GOD GAVE HIM

THE VISION FOR THIS

CAMPAIGN CALLED, QUOTE,

"JESUS.COM ."

AND HE IS HOPE WITH

17.5 MILLION PEOPLE

VISITING LONDON EACH YEAR

THAT THE MESSAGE WILL

TOUCH SOMEONE.

Gordon: YOU MAY HAVE

SEEN THIS, PRESIDENT

TRUMP'S ADDRESS TO

CONGRESS, AND THE ROOM

ERUPTED WITH GRATITUDE FOR

A NAVY SEAL, WHO WAS

KILLED DURING A RAID IN

YEMEN.

IT WAS A HEART-FELT

MOMENT, CAPTURED FOR THE

WORLD TO SEE.

BUT THERE IS EVEN MORE TO

THIS STORY.

BEFORE RYAN OWENS WAS

KILLED IN THAT RAID, GOD

WAS AT WORK.

TAKE A LOOK.

HERE IS A MOTHER WITH

CHILDREN AND A BUSY LIFE.

SHE SAYS, OKAY, I'M GOING

TO START LOVING A

NEIGHBOR, SO SHE BUILT A

BRIDGE WITH HER.

AND LO AND BEHOLD, NOW

THIS WOMAN IS A WIDOW, BUT

SHE HAS A FRIEND.

AND THIS FRIEND HAS A

CHURCH.

SHE DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS

GOING TO HAPPEN.

GOD DID.

Gordon: WELL, PASTOR

DAN BACONS OF NEW LIFE

CHURCH SHARED WITH HIS

CONGREGATION HE KNOWS A

NEIGHBOR OF THE OWENS' AND

BEFORE THE TRAGEDY, GOD

PUT IT ON HER HEART TO

KNOWN CARRYN.

AND HE SAYS IT SHOWS WHY

WE SHOULD OBEY GOD AND

LOVE OUR NEIGHBORS.

ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS, CAN

YOU BAKE AN APPLE PIE AND

TAKE IT OVER TO YOUR

NEIGHBOR AND SAY, CAN WE

JUST HAVE A PIECE OF PIE

TOGETHER AND CAN WE TALK,

AND SHARE WHAT GOD HAS

DONE FOR YOU.

SHARE YOUR GOSPEL, WHAT

DOES GOD MEAN IN YOUR

LIFE, AND SEE IF IT

RESONATES WITH THEM.

AND IT'S A WONDERFUL THING

TO DO.

Terry: IT'S SO EASY

TO STAY DISCONNECTED IN

OUR CULTURE TODAY.

EVEN IN A NEIGHBORHOOD

WHERE YOUR NEIGHBOR IS

MAYBE 10, 15, 20 FEET AWAY

FROM YOU IN A NEIGHBORHOOD

SETTING, IT IS EASY TO

COME AND GO AND STAY BUSY

WITH YOUR LIFE.

Gordon: STAY LOCKED

IN OUR CARS.

I'M TOO BUSY -- TAKE TIME.

Terry: YOU CAN' IF YOU CAN'T

BAKE THE PIE, BUY THE PIE.

[LAUGHTER]

Terry: IN HOLLYWOOD

NEWS, BIG BANG STAR JOHNNY

GALECKI WILL BE STARRING

IN A TV SHOW CALLED

"LIVING BIBLICALLY."

IT WILL CENTER ON A YOUNG

MAN WHO WILL TRY TO LIVE

ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE AS

LITERALLY AS POSSIBLE,

INCLUDING NOT EATING

SHELLFISH.

THE SHOW IS BASED ON THE

BEST-SELLING BOOK BY A.J.

JACOBS, "THE YEAR OF

LIVING BIBLICALLY."

Gordon: AND AFTER CBS

ANNOUNCED THAT SITCOM, FOX

JOINED WITH ITS OWN DRAMA,

"THE SCROLL."

IT WILL REIMAGINE SOME OF

THE BIBLE'S MOST POPULAR

STORIES IN THE PRESENT DAY

THROUGH A GROUP OF FRIENDS

THAT ARE MODERN DAY

VERSIONS OF SOME OF THE

BIBLE'S MOST NOTABLE ARK.

ANNOTABLE

CHARACTERS.

AND THAT'S A WONDERFUL

THING.

LIVING BIBLICAL IS REALLY

A CHALLENGE.

YOU HAVE TO BE ALL IN.

I TRIED TO LIVE BIIVELLY BIBLICALLY

ONE DAY AND FAILED AT

NOON.

[LAUGHTER]

Gordon: I TRIED TO

STRICTLY OBSERVE THE

SABBATH, AND I WAS

ACTUALLY READING IN THE

TORAH, DON'T KINDLE A FIRE

ON THE SABBATH, AND I WAS

LOOKING AT MY FIREPLACE

AND SAYING, I GOT THIS

ONE.

IT'S THE SUMMER.

I'M NOT ABOUT TO LIGHT A

FIRE.

AND I GO IN TO HEAT UP

SOME VEGETABLE BROTH,

BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY

WAY I CAN BE KOSHER, TO

EAT VEGETABLES.

AND I TURN ON THE BURNER

AND I SEE THE FLAME, AND I

JUST KINDLED A FIRE.

SO IT'S HARD.

Terry: IT IS VERY

HARD.

AND IT IS COUNTER-CULTURAL

ON A NUMBER OF LEVELS, NOT

EVEN THAT EXTREME.

BUT IT IS HARD.

I KNOW IN TRIPS TO ISRAEL,

I GOT -- ON THE SABBATH, I

GOT ON AN ELEVATOR, AND

PUSHED MY FLOOR, AND I

REALIZED I WAS STOPPING ON

EVERY FLOOR.

Gordon: YOU CAN'T

KINDLE THE FIRE IN THE

BUTTON.

YOU CAN'T DRIVE A CAR

BECAUSE INTERNAL

COMBUSTION.

Terry: ANSWER THE

PHONE.

Gordon: ANSWER THE

PHONE.

THERE IS A SHABOT LIGHT

THAT STAYS ON, AND YOU

TURN IT SO IT IS NO LONGER

ON.

IF YOU KINDLE THE FIRE

BEFORE THE SABBATH, IT IS

OKAY.

SO YOU CAN LEAVE YOUR OVEN

ON.

SLOW COOKERS WERE MADE BY

GOD.

[LAUGHTER]

Terry: TURN THEM ON

EARLY.

Gordon: BUT IT'S HARD

TO BE STRICTLY OBSERVANT.

I WOULD SAY IT IS EASIER

IN ISRAEL TO OBSERVE IT.

Terry: FOR SURE.

Gordon: THE REST FROM

WORK, THE DISCONNECT.

YOU'RE GOING TO RUN INTO A

CULTURE WHERE RESTAURANTS

AREN'T OPEN.

SHOPS -- YOU CAN'T BUY OR

SELL.

Terry: TAKE AWAY THE

LEGALISM PART OF THAT, I

LOVE THE FEELING IN ISRAEL

THAT THE SABBATH IS

COMING.

THERE IS SUCH A SENSE OF

PREPARATION AND

ANTICIPATION.

AND PIES ARE ON THE

WINDOWSILL.

Gordon: AND YOU DO

HAVE TO PREPARE.

Terry: YES, YOU DO

HAVE TO PREPARE.

Gordon: SO MOST OF

FRIDAY AFTERNOON IS SPENT

IN PREPARATION.

IT IS LIKE THE WHOLE LAND

SIGHS, AND YOU SAY, LET'S

TAKE A BREAK AND LET'S

HONOR GOD.

> SPEAKING ABOUT

HOLLYWOOD AND FAITH, "THE

SHACK" CAME IN AS NUMBER

THREE OVER THE WEEKEND

WITH TICKET SALES OVER

$16 MILLION.

EFREM GRAHAM WAS ABLE TO

GO BEHIND THE SCENES FOR

AN EXCLUSIVE LOOK.

Efrem: WE ARE THE

ONLY TELEVISION NEWS CREW

ALLOWED ONSET FOR THIS

BEHIND-THE-SCENES LOOK AT

"THE SHACK."

YOU TOLD ME TO COME OUT

HERE.

IT'S HAPPENING INSIDE

YOU.

Efrem: BASED ON THE

BEST-SELLING BOOK, IT

TELLS THE STORY OF A

FATHER WHO'S FAITH IS

SHAKEN AFTER TRAGEDY,

WONDERING HOW A GOOD GOD

WOULD ALLOW SUCH A

NIGHTMARE TO HAPPEN.

THERE IS A BEAUTIFUL

JOURNEY THAT YOU HAVE TO

TAKE, THAT I REALIZE NOW,

THAT WHEN YOU TAKE ON A

ROLE -- WELL, THE ROLE OF

GOD -- AND IT JUST SHOWS

YOU JUST HOW HUMAN YOU

ARE.

Efrem: OCTAVIA

SPENCER PLAYS THE ROLE OF

GOD.

AFFECTIONATELY CALLED

PAPA.

YOU KNOW EVERYTHING.

YOU'RE EVERYWHERE, ALL AT

ONCE.

YOU HAVE LIMITLESS POWER.

AND SOMEHOW YOU LET MY

LITTLE GIRL DIE.

WHEN SHE NEEDED YOU MOST.

YOU ABANDONED HER.

Efrem: SAM

WORTHINGTON IS MACK.

I NEVER LEFT HER.

IF YOU ARE WHO YOU SAY

YOU ARE, WHERE WERE YOU

WHEN I NEEDED YOU?

Efrem: ON THE

SURFACE, MACK, INITIALLY

IN THE FILM, SEEMS TO HAVE

IT ALL TOGETHER, DESPITE

THE THINGS HE HAS GONE

THROUGH.

AND THEN WE LEARN, AS THE

LAYERS GET PEELED BACK --

I LIKE KIND OF TAKING

ON CHARACTERS WHERE THEY

HAVE THESE CHALLENGES

WITHIN THEMSELVES.

AND THEN THE CHALLENGES

ARE GOING TO RIPPLE OUT.

I'VE DONE A LOT OF MOVIES

THAT ARE QUEST MOVIES.

AND THIS, IN A WAY, IS

LIKE THAT.

A QUEST TO DISCOVER WHAT

YOUR FAITH IS.

IS WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN

YOUR HEART STILL GOING TO

HELP YOU THROUGH THE HARD

TIMES?

Efrem: AS THE TITLE

SUGGESTS, THE SETTING FOR

THE BOOK IS A LONE SHACK

IN THE WOODS.

IT IS A STORY OF LOVE AND

LOSS HE INITIALLY WROTE AS

A CHRISTMAS GIFT FOR HIS

CHILDREN.

IT CAME FROM 50 YEARS

OF TRYING TO FIND GOOD

RESPONSES TO DIFFICULT

QUESTIONS.

IT TOOK ME 50 YEARS TO

ACTUALLY BECOME A CHILD.

THEN I WAS ABLE TO TAKE 50

YEARS OF HISTORY AND GIVE

A GIFT FOR CHRISTMAS TO MY

KIDS.

Efrem: WHAT WERE YOUR

KIDS RESPONSE, INITIALLY?

THANKS, DAD, A BOOK.

WE'LL GET RIGHT ON THAT.

BUT WHEN THEY READ IT,

THEY WERE TOUCHED.

EVERY ONE DIFFERENTLY.

Efrem: THIS BOOK GOES

FROM SELF-PUBLISHED TO

SELLING 22 MILLION COPIES,

AND NOW A MAJOR MOTION

PICTURE.

WHEN YOU SAT DOWN TO WRITE

THIS STORY, DID YOU

ENVISION ALL OF THIS?

OH, NO.

ARE YOU KIDDING?

I MADE 15 COPIES AT

OFFICE DEPOT THAT DID

EVERYTHING I EVER WANTED

THAT BOOK TO DO.

THIS IS ALL A MONUMENTAL

SURPRISE.

THE GRACE AND THE SURPRISE

AND THE SENSE OF HO HUMOR OF

GOD.

Efrem: WITH SUCCESS

COMES CRITICISM.

THOUGH A WORK OF FICTION,

SOME HAVE CALLED YOUNG'S

DEPICTION OF GOD, JESUS

CHRIST AND THE HOLY

SPIRIT, PROFOUNDLY

UNBIBLICAL.

ONE SEMINARY PROFESSOR

WROTE HIS OWN BOOK O IN IN

RESPONSE CALLED "BURNING

DOWN THE SHACK."

WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THAT?

WE NEED TO BE

CHALLENGED BO ABOUT HOW WE

THINK.

A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE'S

RESPONSES OF BASED ON

THEY'RE AFRAID.

WHEN A PERSON IS UPSET,

THEY ARE NOT COMING TO

TELL ME ABOUT ME.

I KNOW ABOUT ME.

THEY ARE COMING TO TELL ME

WHAT MATTERS TO THEM.

IF I'M NOT AT RISK, I CAN

STEP INSIDE THAT SPACE.

MAYBE ASK A GOOD QUESTION.

MAYBE SAY SILENT.

BUT STAY RESPECTFUL.

Efrem: AND IN MACK'S

FICTIONAL JOURNEY, HE SEES

JESUS AS A MIDDLE EASTERN

MAN, THE HOLY SPIRIT AS AN

ASIAN WOMAN, AND GOD AS A

BLACK WOMAN.

DON'T EVER THINK THAT

WHAT MY SON CHOSE TO DO

DIDN'T COST US BOTH

DEARLY.

Efrem: HOW DOES YOU

PORTRAYING THAT ROLE

COMPARE TO HOW YOU MAY

HAVE PICTURED GOD GROWING

UP?

VERY DIFFERENTLY.

IT ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW,

BROKE A FEW CONVENTIONS

FOR ME.

I LIKED THE IDEA OF A

REGULAR PERSON'S

CONVERSATION WITH GOD.

BASICALLY THE BREAKTHROUGH

FOR ME WAS REALIZING THAT

THE FATHER IS THE FATHER.

SO I APPROACHED IT AS A

PARENT TO A SON.

AND GOD IS ESSENTIALLY

LOVE.

HE IS COMING AT YOU IN A

FORM OF LOVE.

SO WHATEVER HELPS EMBRACE

YOU AND GIVES YOU THAT

LOVE I THINK IS A GREAT

IDEA.

Efrem: HE IS WHO WE

NEED AT THAT TIME?

THAT'S RIGHT, YEAH.

Efrem: EFREM GRAHAM,

CBN NEWS, VANCOUVER,

BRITISH COLUMBIA.

Gordon: A LOT TO

UNPACK IN THAT MOVIE.

YOU'VE SEEN IT.

DID YOU LIKE IT?

Terry: I'VE SEEN IT.

I LIKED IT VERY MUCH.

I LIKED THE BOOK.

BUT I'M NOT LOOKING FOR IT

TO BE SOME BIBLICALLY

ACCURATE COME ALONGSIDE

THE BIBLE.

IT IS A FICTIONAL ACCOUNT.

I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS

THAT IT SPEAKS TO ALL OF

US IS WHAT GOD SAYS ABOUT

HIMSELF, MY WAYS ARE

DIFFERENT THAN YOUR WAYS.

MY THOUGHTS ARE DIFFERENT

THAN YOUR THOUGHTS.

I'M HIGHER THAN YOU.

SO I DON'T COME TO IT

EXPECTING FOR CLEAR

DEFINITION.

I DON'T THINK WE'LL EVER

KNOW HIM UNTIL WE SEE HIM

FACE TO FACE COMPLETELY.

Gordon: AND WE WILL

BE KNOWN AS WE ARE KNOWN.

WHICH WILL BE WONDERFUL.

Terry: WELL, COMING

UP, A TEENAGED GIRL WHO

WAS KNOWN FOR HER FAITH

AND THEN KILLED FOR IT.

I ASKED HER, DO YOU

STILL BELIEVE IN GOD, AND

WHEN RACHEL ANSWERED, YOU

KNOW THAT I DO, HER

SHOOTER SAID IN A VERY

CRUEL WAY, WELL, THEN GO

BE WITH HIM.

Terry: THE MOTHER OF

COLUMBINE VICTIM RACHEL

SCOTT SHARES HER STORY.

YOU DON'T WANT TO MISS

Terry: AFTER RACHEL

SCOTT DIED, HER FUNERAL

WAS BROADCAST WORLDWIDE ON

CNN.

AND MORE VIEWERS WATCHED

THAT THAN THE FUNERAL FOR

PRINCESS DIANA.

RACHEL SCOTT WAS JUST 17

WHEN SHE DIED, AND HER

COURAGEOUS STANCE AT THE

END OF HER LIFE HAS

INSPIRED SACRIFICE AND

FORGIVENESS.

TAKE A LOOK.

AFTER RACHEL'S DEATH IN

APRIL OF 1999, WE

DISCOVERED JOURNAL

WRITINGS, THAT SHE HAD

BEEN WRITING QUITE A BIT

IN HER JOURNALS.

IN THE EARLY 2000s, I

FELT GOD PUT IN MY HEART

THAT WE WOULD DO A MOVIE.

SO WE STARTED WORKING ON

THE MOVIE "I'M NOT

ASHAMED."

IT IS THE LARGEST

SCHOOL MASSACRE IN U.S.

HISTORY.

POLICE ARE STILL SIFTING

THROUGH THE REMAINS OF

TUESDAY'S SHOOTING SPREE

AT A COLORADO HIGH SCHOOL.

THE TWO GUNMEN ARE DEAD,

REPORTEDLY BY THEIR OWN

HANDS.

BUT FOR THE COMMUNITY OF

LITTLETON, THE ORDEAL IS

FAR FROM OVER.

IT IS HARD TO WATCH AN

ENACTMENT OF WHAT POSSIBLY

COULD HAVE BEEN EXACTLY

WHAT HAPPENED.

IT WAS A TEARY PROCESS, AN

EMOTIONAL PROCESS.

I REALLY WANT KIDS TO BE

INSPIRED, TO BE STRONG IN

THEIR BELIEF.

THE TWO SHOOTERS OF

COLUMBINE HAD PLANNED TO

COMMIT THIS MASSACRE ON

APRIL 20th, 1999.

THEY WERE CELEBRATING

HITLER'S BIRTHDAY.

COLUMBINE IS AN OPEN

CAMPUS.

AS SENIORS, THEY HAD A LOT

OF LIBERTY TO GO ON AND

OFF THE CAMPUS THROUGHOUT

THE DAY.

SO THEY HAD SPENT THE

MORNING PLACING PIPE

BOMBS.

WHEN THE BOMBS DIDN'T GO

OFF, THEY STARTED OPENING

FIRE.

RACHEL WAS OUTSIDE WITH

ONE OF HER FRIENDS.

THEY SPOTTED RACHEL, AND

SHE INITIALLY HAD TAKEN

TWO BULLETS TO HER BODY

FROM A DISTANCE.

WHEN THEY SAW WHO IT WAS,

THEY WALKED UP TO HER.

THEY PUT A GUN TO HER

FOREHEAD AND STARTED

MOCKING HER FOR HER FAITH.

AND ASKED HER DO YOU STILL

BELIEVE IN GOD.

WHEN RACHEL ANSWERED, YOU

KNOW THAT I DO.

THE SHOOTER SAID IN A VERY

CRUEL WAY, WELL, THEN, GO

BE WITH HIM, AND HE PULLED

THE TRIGGER.

I BELIEVE WENT FROM THE

FACE OF EVIL RIGHT INTO

THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD

IN THAT SPLIT SECOND.

FOR RACHEL, APRIL 20th,

1999, WAS A LIFE SENTENCE.

AND I DID NOT WANT IT TO

BE MY LIFE SENTENCE.

AND FORGIVENESS IS THAT

KEY.

AND WITHOUT IT, YOU JUST

KEEP RELIVING THAT MOMENT

AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN.

BUT YOUR HEART BECOMES

HEALED IF YOU ALLOW IT TO.

IF YOU ALLOW THE LORD TO,

HE WILL HEAL THE

BROKENNESS OF YOUR HEART

AND SHOW YOU PURPOSE, EVEN

IN THE MIDST OF THE TRAUMA

AND THE LOSS.

THAT'S WHAT I THINK WE'VE

EXPERIENCED AS A FAMILY.

WE'VE EXPERIENCED HEALING.

WE NEED TO TOUCH THE

HEARTS OF OUR CHILDREN.

A LOT OF KIDS GO EVERY DAY

TO SCHOOL, DAY IN AND DAY

OUT, AND THEY WEAR THE

MASK THAT CAMOUFLAGES

WHAT'S REALLY HAPPENING IN

THE HEART.

I WANT KIDS TO KNOW THAT

THERE IS SOMETHING WORTH

LIVING FOR.

WE HAVE HEART TROUBLE IN

AMERICA.

AND WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO

FIX OUR HEARTS.

WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO HEAL

OURSELVES.

BUT THERE IS A GOD THAT IS

THE HEALER OF THE

BROKENHEARTED.

Terry: IT IS HARD TO

KNOW WHAT YOU CAN EVEN ADD

TO WHAT BETH NEMO SAID.

WE HAVE A HEART PROBLEM IN

AMERICA.

AND, YOU KNOW, A HEART

PROBLEM IN A COUNTRY

STARTS WHEN INDIVIDUALS

HAVE HEART PROBLEMS.

I JUST WANT TO SAY TODAY,

IF YOU ARE DEALING WITH

BITTERNESS AND ANGER AND

RESENTMENT TOWARDS SOMEONE

FOR SOMETHING THAT WAS

LEGITIMATELY WRONG THAT

WAS DONE TO YOU, DON'T LET

THAT HOLD YOU.

DON'T LET THAT BE A LIFE

SENTENCE FOR YOU, LIKE SHE

TALKED ABOUT.

YOU CAN BE SET FREE FROM

THAT.

OFFERING FORGIVENESS

DOESN'T MEAN THAT WHAT THE

PERSON DID WAS OKAY.

IT MEANS YOU GET SET FREE.

TODAY I JUST WANT TO

ENCOURAGE YOU TO GET ON

YOUR FACE BEFORE GOD, AND

IF YOU CAN'T DO IT, ASK

HIM TO HELP YOU TO DO IT.

SOMETIMES WHEN SOMEONE

WOUNDS YOU SO DEEPLY, IT

IS IMPOSSIBLE, IN OUR OWN

STRENGTH, TO SAY, I

FORGIVE.

EVEN THAT GOD WILL GIVE TO

YOU.

JESUS SAID THIS: YOU'LL

KNOW THE TRUTH, AND THE

TRUTH IS WHAT WILL SET YOU

FREE.

AND THE TRUTH IS THAT

NOBODY GETS AWAY WITH

ANYTHING IN THIS WORLD.

GOD IS THE JUDGE OF ALL

MEN.

THE TRUTH IS HE LOVES YOU.

HE IS WILLING TO HEAL YOUR

HEART.

HE IS WILLING TO COME INTO

THAT VERY BROKEN PLACE AND

PUT ALL THOSE PIECES BACK

TOGETHER IN A WAY THAT

MATTERS, IN A WAY THAT'S

BEAUTIFUL.

HE'LL GIVE YOU BEAUTY FOR

ASHES, THE OIL OF JOY FOR

MORNING, AND A GARMENT OF

PRAISE FOR A SPIRIT OF

HEAVINESS.

THAT'S HIS PROMISE TO YOU.

DON'T SETTLE FOR ANYTHING

LESS.

WE HAVE A FREE PAMPHLET

FOR YOU ON FORGIVENESS.

WE WOULD LOVE TO SEND IT

TO YOU.

ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS CALL

OUR TOLL-FREE NUMBER:

1-800-700-7000.

JUST CALL AND SAY, CAN I

HAVE THAT PAMPHLET ON

FORGIVENESS?

WE'D LIKE TO SHOW YOU WHAT

GOD HAS TO SAY ABOUT IT.

IT IS THE KEY TO FREEDOM.

SO CALL NOW.

GORDON?

Gordon: STILL AHEAD,

SHE HAD TO GO TO THE E.R.

BECAUSE OF HER ACID

REFLUX.

AT LEAST TWICE A WEEK.

THAT PAIN WAS GETTING

ME RIGHT HERE, IN THE TOP

OF MY STOMACH.

IT MOVES LIKE A FIRE AND

THEN MAKES ME VOMITING AND

VOMITING.

NO RELIEF.

Gordon: WATCH WHAT

HAPPENS ON HER WORSE DAY

AND SEE HOW IT BECAME ONE

OF HER BEST.

PLUS, WE'LL BE PRAYING FOR

Gordon: FOR TWO

YEARS, THE WOMAN IN OUR

NEXT STORY COULDN'T EAT.

SHE COULDN'T SLEEP.

SHE WASTED AWAY TO JUST

73 POUNDS, ALL BECAUSE OF

A NASTY CASE OF ACID

REFLUX.

SHE SAW COUNTLESS DOCTORS

AND SPECIALISTS BUT NEVER

SAW RELIEF UNTIL SHE WENT

THROUGH WHAT SHE CALLED

THE WORSE DAY OF HER LIFE.

AS SOON AS I WAKE UP IN

THE MORNING, THAT WAS

IMMEDIATELY THAT THAT PAIN

WAS GETTING ME, RIGHT

HERE, IN THE TOP OF MY

STOMACH.

IT WAS LIKE A FIRE AND

THEN MAKES ME VOMITING AND

VOMITING.

AND THEN I WAS ALL DAY

WITH THAT PAIN.

NO RELIEF.

I COULDN'T SLEEP GOOD.

HEADACHES.

IT WAS MAKING ME FEEL ALL

OVER MY BODY.

THE DOCTOR GAVE ME SOME

MEDICATION.

IT HELPED ME A LITTLE BIT,

BUT THEN I WAS STARTING TO

FEEL THAT PAIN AGAIN.

IT WAS, LIKE, 24/7, MY

PAIN.

THEY PUT A CAMERA INSIDE

MY STOMACH.

THEY DID ALL TESTS A HUMAN

BEING COULD HAVE IN THEIR

BODY, OF THE STOMACH AND

EVERYTHING.

THEY COULD NEVER FIND

NOTHING, ONLY A LITTLE BIT

ACID REFLUX.

SO FOR TWO YEARS, NO

EATING, NO NOTHING.

ONLY DRINKING LIQUIDS.

IT WAS THE GRACE OF GOD

THAT KEEP ME EVERY DAY.

SO I HAD TO GO TO THE

HOSPITAL, TO THE EMERGENCY

ROOM, ALMOST TWICE OF

EVERY WEEK.

THEY PUT ME A LITTLE BIT

I.V., CALMED ME OF A

LITTLE BIT OF PAIN AND

SEND ME HOME BECAUSE THEY

DIDN'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO

DO WITH ME.

I LOST MORE THAN 30

SOMETHING POUNDS.

I WENT ALMOST TO

73 POUNDS.

HONESTLY, I WANTED TO GIVE

UP.

WE ARE HUMAN.

BUT I SAID, NO, LORD, YOU

HAVE A PURPOSE WITH ALL OF

THIS.

THAT DAY I WAKE UP SO,

LIKE, THE WORSE DAY OF MY

LIFE.

AND THEN WE PUT ON "THE

700 CLUB," LIKE ALWAYS.

WE SEE GORDIE, AND HE GORDON, AND HE

DECIDED TO GIVE A WORD OF

KNOWLEDGE.

Gordon: THERE IS

SOMEONE WITH ACID REFLUX,

AND YOU DAMAGED YOUR

ESOPHAGUS, AND THERE IS

LIKE A PERMANENT

HEARTBURN, AND YOU DON'T

KNOW WHAT TO DO.

GOD HAS HEALED IT, RIGHT

NOW IN JESUS' NAME.

AND I PUT MY HAND UP,

AND I BELIEVE IT.

AND IT WAS INSTANT.

INSTANT.

I FELT THE HOLY SPIRIT.

IT WAS SOMETHING SO

BEAUTIFUL.

AND AFTER THAT, NO PAIN,

NO NOTHING.

NOTHING.

I'M PRAISING GOD AND

GIVING GOD ALL OF THE

GLORY -- ALL OF THE GLORY

TO HIM FOR THE THING HE

HAS DONE.

AFTER TWO YEARS AND

SOMETHING, I EAT PANCAKES,

AND I WAS EATING.

EVERYTHING HAD A PURPOSE.

WHY I WENT THROUGH ALL OF

THIS, SO I COULD BE A

BLESSING FOR SOMEBODY

ELSE.

AND, YES, MY FAITH IS THE

MOST STRONGER THAN EVER.

YES.

THANK GOD.

Gordon: YES.

THANK GOD.

HE WANTS TO DO MIRACLES.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO ARGUE

WITH HIM.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO CONVINCE

HIM.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO BARGAIN

WITH HIM.

IT IS ALREADY DONE.

BY HIS STRIPES WE ARE

HEALED.

WE WERE HEALED.

NOW, WE BELIEVE IN

MIRACLES.

WE WANT TO PRAY WITH YOU.

AND TERRY HAS SOME PRAYER

REQUESTS.

Terry: BRIAN WRITES

AND ASKS FOR PRAYER FOR

FULL HEALING FOR HIS

HEALTH.

HE HAS PAIN AND EXHAUTION,

AND SLEEPING ISSUES AND

MUSCLE PAIN AND STOMACH

PAIN.

AND RICHARD SAYS, "I NEED

HEALING IN MY HEART FROM

CONGESTIVE HEART FAILURE."

AND ELOISE WRITES, "I HAD

A MILD STROKE THAT LEFT MY

BODY WEAK AND UNABLE TO

WORK."

Gordon: LORD, WE LIFT

THESE NEEDS TO YOU AND WE

LIFT THE NEEDS OF THE

AUDIENCE TO YOU.

AND YOU ARE THE GOD OF

MIRACLES.

SO WE COME TO YOU TODAY,

STANDING IN FAITH BEFORE

YOUR THRONE OF MERCY, AND

WE BOLDLY ASK -- WE ASK

FOR BRIAN, FOR HIS APNEA,

FOR RICHARD, FOR HIS HEART

AND HIS STOMACH AND HIS

EYES, FOR ELOISE, THE

STROKE ON HER LEFT SIDE,

AND WE ASK NOW FOR THOSE

WHO ARE WATCHING, BE

HEALED AND BE MADE WHOLE.

LET THE GLORY OF THE LORD

DESCEND UPON YOU.

LET HIS PRESENCE BE ALL

AROUND YOU AND IN YOU AND

FLOW THROUGH YOU AND HEAL

YOU NOW.

IN JESUS MIGHTY NAME.

THERE IS A MAN, AND YOU'RE

NAME IS ABNER, AND YOU

HAVE SEVERE STOMACH

PROBLEMS.

AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT

OPERATIONS, AND GOD HAS

JUST HEALED YOU.

HE HAS TOUCHED YOU AND

MADE YOU WHOLE AGAIN.

IN JESUS' NAME.

JUST RECEIVE IT INTO YOUR

BODY NOW.

AMEN.

AND AMEN.

IF YOU NEED PRAYER, JUST

CALL US: 1-800-700-7000.

> HERE IS A WORD FOR YOU

FROM PSALMS 30: "O LORD,

MY GOD, I CRIED TO YOU FOR

HELP, AND YOU HEALED ME."

CRY OUT TO HIM TODAY AND

LET HIM HEAL YOU.

GOD BLESS YOU.

WE'LL SEE YOU AGAIN.

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