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The 700 Club - March 23, 2017

See inside a deadly get-rich scheme perpetrated by Uganda’s witch doctors. Plus, Scott Ross sits down with the number one name in Christian music, Steven Curtis Chapman. Read Transcript


Efrem: COMING UP,

INSIDE A DEADLY GET-RICH

SCHEME COMMITTED BY

UGANDA'S WITCH DOCTORS.

YOU NEED TO SACRIFICE

HUMAN BLOOD.

Efrem: CBN NEWS

BRINGS US THE EXPLOSIVE

STORY.

THEN, SCOTT ROSS SITS DOWN

WITH THE NUMBER ONE NAME

IN CHRISTIAN MUSIC.

STEVESTEVEN CURTIS CHAPMAN

LOOKS BACK AT HIS HALL OF

FAME CAREER.

> PLUS THE ENTREPRENEURS

WHO LANDED A DEAL IN

"SHARK TANK."

THEY SHARE THEIR STORY ON

TODAY'S "700 CLUB."

Pat: WELL, WELCOME,

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

I HAVE A PREDICTION TO

MAKE, AND YOU CAN HOLD ME

TO IT.

IF I'M WRONG, YOU CAN SAY

YOU MISSED IT.

THE HEALTH CARE BILL IS

GOING TO PASS.

IT IS GETTING MODIFIED.

THE FREEDOM CAUCUS IS

GOING TO GET THE

MODIFICATIONS THEY'RE

ASKING FOR.

WE'RE GOING TO TALK TO

DAVID BRODY TO SEE WHAT IS

ACTUALLY THERE.

MY PREDICTION IS THEY'RE

GOING TO GIVE TRUMP A

VICTORY.

IT IS GOING TO GO THROUGH

THE SENATE, AND WE'RE ALL

GOING TO REJOICE THAT

WE'RE PAYING LESS ON

HEALTH CARE.

THAT'S MY PREDICTION.

AND WAIT UNTIL TOMORROW,

AND YOU CAN PROVE ME WRONG

IF I'VE WRONG.

Terry: YOU HEARD IT

HERE.

Pat: YOU HEARD IT

HERE.

I KNEW THAT THE LORD WAS

GOING TO GIVE TRUMP

VICTORY.

AND PEOPLE WERE ARGUING

WITH ME, NO, HE CAN'T WIN.

YES, HE IS GOING TO BE THE

NEXT PRESIDENT --

Terry: WELL, WE HAD

THAT FASCINATING GUEST ON

THAT TALKED ABOUT CYRUS --

Pat: I HAD IT BEFORE

THE FASCINATING GUEST.

> WELL, THE BRITISH

GOVERNMENT IS OPERATING AS

IF YESTERDAY'S DEADLY

ATTACK WAS LINKED TO

ISLAMIC TERRORISM.

THAT'S THE WORD FROM THE

BRITISH SECRETARY OF

DEFENSE.

Terry: SCOTLAND YARD

BELIEVES THE ATTACKER

ACTED ALONE, BUT THEY'RE

LOOKING INTO POSSIBLE

ASSOCIATES, AND ISIS IS

CALLING THE ATTACKER,

QUOTE, "SOLDIER OF THE

ISLAMIC STATE."

DALE HURD HAS THE STORY.

Reporter: BRITISH

POLICE HAVE RAIDED SEVERAL

ADDRESSES AND ARRESTED

EIGHT PEOPLE IN CONNECTION

WERE YESTERDAY'S ATTACK BY

A KNIFE-WIELDING MAN, WHO

USED HIS S.U.V. TO MOW

DOWN PEDESTRIANS.

AND FATALLY STABBED A

POLICEMAN.

THERE ARE 10 OR 12

BODIES.

Reporter: THE DRIVER

THEN CRASHED HIS VEHICLE

INTO THE GATES OUTSIDE

PARLIAMENT.

I SEE THAT ONE CAR

SMASH INTO THE WALL, AND

PEOPLE STARTED RUNNING ALL

OVER.

Reporter: AMONG THE

VICTIMS, A ROMANIAN WOMAN

WHO WAS IN LONDON TO

CELEBRATE HER BOYFRIEND'S

BIRTHDAY.

SHE IS SHOWN JUMPING OR

BEING THROWN INTO THE

BRIDGE.

THE DEAD, POLICEMAN KEITH

PALMER.

AND 43-YEAR-OLD SPANISH

TEACHER, AYASH FRADE.

THE NUMBER OF SO-CALLED

WALKING WOUNDED IS AROUND

40.

THE ATTACKER WAS BRITISH

BORN AND KNOWN TO BRITISH

SECURITY, BUT HIS IDENTITY

HAS NOT BEEN RELEASED.

THE ATTACK CAME ON THE

ANNIVERSARY OF LAST YEAR'S

SUICIDE BOMBINGS AT THE

BRUSSELS INTERNATIONAL

AIRPORT THAT KILLED 32

PEOPLE.

ISIS CLAIMED

RESPONSIBILITY.

BRITAIN HASN'T SEEN AS

MANY TERROR ATTACKS AS

SOME NATIONS, BUT IT

REMAINS A FACTORY OF

MUSLIM JIHADISTS.

850 BRITISH CITIZENS HAVE

LEFT TO JOIN ISIS.

IT DAWNED ON ONE TERRORIST

THAT HE HAD COME TO A

POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS

PLACE.

I'M FROM BRAZIL, AND

BRAZIL IS VERY SAFE.

IN LONDON -- FIRST DAY IN

LONDON, AND MY WELCOME IS

THIS.

Reporter: DALE HURD,

CBN NEWS.

Pat: HOW MANY

INCIDENTS DO THEY HAVE TO

HAVE OCCUR IN THE CITIES

OF EUROPE BEFORE ALL OF US

IN EUROPE AND THE UNITED

STATES REALIZE WE MUST

CRUSH ISIS.

IT ISN'T A QUESTION ABOUT

NEGOTIATION.

IT ISN'T A QUESTION ABOUT

A LITTLE SOONER OR LATER

THEY'RE GOING TO BE CHOKED

AND EXPIRE.

THEY'VE GOT TO BE CRUSHED

AND DESTROYED.

THERE NEEDS TO BE A

MASSIVE STRIKE ON RAQQA.

AND THERE NEEDS TO BE A

MASSIVE STRIKE ON THEIR

SYRIAN STRONGHOLDS.

THEY HAVE TO DESTROY THEM

IN IRAQ AND ALL OVER THE

WORLD.

WHEREVER THEY'RE FOUND,

THEY NEED TO BE DESTROYED.

DESTROYED, NOT BROUGHT TO

TRIAL.

THEY NEED TO BE DESTROYED.

THEY ARE KILLERS.

THEY ARE MONSTERS, AND

THEY HAVE ONE GOAL, AND

THAT IS TO KILL, MAIM, AND

WOUND INNOCENT PEOPLE.

THAT MEANS WE HAVE TO

MOBILIZE, AND I THINK

PEOPLE NEED TO GET BEHIND

THE PRESIDENT AND HIS

NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISORS

TO SAY, LET'S HIT THESE

RASCALS WHERE THEY ARE AND

WHERE THEY HURT, AND LET'S

WIPE OUT THEIR SOURCES OF

MONEY AND THEIR SOURCES OF

RECRUITS.

AND ANYBODY HERE IN THE

UNITED STATES THAT IS

PLAYING GAMES WITH THEM

NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT TO

JUSTICE AS QUICKLY AS

POSSIBLE.

I THINK THIS THING IS A

CANCER.

AND LOOK WHAT THEY DID IN

FRANCE.

THE NEW GAME IS DRIVE A

CAR INTO CROWDED

CIVILIANS.

HOW CAN ANY OF US SURVIVE?

IF WE'RE WALKING DOWN A

SIDEWALK AND ALL OF A

SUDDEN AN S.U.V. OR A

HIGH-POWERED SEDAN COMES

RUSHING AT US AT 70 OR

80 MILES PER HOUR?

WHAT ARE WE GOING TO?

WE'RE GOING TO GET

PROBABLY KILLED.

> IN THE UNITED STATES,

IT IS AN IMPORTANT DAY FOR

PRESIDENT TRUMP AND

LEADERSHIP IN CONGRESS.

YOU'VE HEARD WHAT MY

PREDICTION IS, AND WE'RE

GOING TO TALK TO SOME OF

OUR REPORTERS TO SEE IF

I'M RIGHT OR NOT.

ABIGAIL ROBERTSON HAS THIS

STORY FROM CAPITAL

MANAGEMENT.

Reporter: HOUSE

REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP IS

FIRED UP AND READY TO

REPEAL OBAMACARE WITH A

BILL CALLED "THE AMERICAN

HEALTH CARE ACT," BUT

GETTING ENOUGH SUPPORT TO

PASS IT HAS BEEN FAR FROM

EASY FOR THE GOSPEL.

JIM JORDAN VOICED HIS

CONCERNS TO CBN NEWS SOON

AFTER THE BILL WAS

RELEASED.

WE'RE UNITED ON REPEAL,

REPUBLICANS ARE.

BUT RIGHT NOW SOME OF THE,

QUOTE, "REPLACEMENT," AND

SOME OF THE THINGS THEY'RE

PUTTING IN IN THE

LEADERSHIP PLAN WE DON'T

THINK IS CONSISTENT WITH

WHAT WE TOLD THE VOTERS

WERE WERVOTERS WEWERE GOING TO DO.

Reporter: SOME FEEL

IT IS A MISSED OPPORTUNITY

IN REPLACING THE OBAMACARE

IN THE RIGHT WAY.

WE DIDN'T TELL VOTERS

WE'RE GOING TO REPLACE

OBAMACARE BUT WE'RE GOING

TO KEEP SOME OF OBAMACARE

TAXES.

Reporter: 22 NO VOTES

WOULD PREVENT THE BILL

FROM PASSING.

AND A SOURCE TOLD CBN NEWS

ON WEDNESDAY THAT AT LEAST

27 G.O.P. MEMBERS WERE A

VOTE ON THE EVE OF THE

SCHEDULED VOTE IN THE

HOUSE.

THERE IS PLAN "A" AND

PLAN "A."

WE'RE GOING TO GET THIS

DONE.

Reporter: HE MET WITH

REPUBLICANS THIS WEEK TO

TRY TO WIN OVER

CONSERVATIVES ON THE

FENCE, AND TO LAY OUT THE

POLITICAL STAKES IF THEIR

ATTEMPTED OVERHAULING THE

HEALTH CARE SYSTEM FAILS.

AND THERE HAS BEEN OTHER

DRAMA ON THE HILL.

JUST TWO DAYS AFTER F.B.I.

DIRECTOR JAMES COMEY

CONFIRMED THEY'RE

INVESTIGATING TIES BETWEEN

TRUMP OFFICIALS AND

RUSSIA, HOUSE INTELLIGENCE

COMMITTEE CHAIR DEVON

NUNES HAD INFORMATION THAT

TRUMP TRANSITION MEMBERS

HAD COME UNDER APPARENTLY

LEGAL SURVEILLANCE AFTER

THE ELECTION DURING THE

FINAL MONTHS OF THE OBAMA

ADMINISTRATION.

I RECENTLY CONFIRMED ON

NUMEROUS OCCASIONS THE

INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY

INCIDENTALLY COLLECTED

INFORMATION ABOUT U.S.

CITIZENS INVOLVED IN THE

TRUMP TRANSITION.

DETAILS ABOUT U.S. PERSONS

ASSOCIATED WITH THE

INCOMING ADMINISTRATION,

DETAILS WITH LITTLE OR NO

APPARENT FOREIGN

INTELLIGENCE VALUE, WERE

WIDELY DISSEMINATED

INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY

REPORTING.

Reporter: NUNES

DIDN'T SHARE HIS

INFORMATION WITH THE

RANKING DEMOCRAT ON THE

COMMITTEE BEFORE

ANNOUNCING IT.

HE SAYS THAT NAMES OF THE

OFFICIALS WERE UNMASKED OR

REVEALED IMPROPERLY, AND

THAT THEY'RE GOING TO

CONDUCT AN INVESTIGATION

INTO WHO WAS AWARE OF IT

AND WHETHER ANY LAWS WERE

VIOLATED.

NUNES BRIEFED PRESIDENT

TRUMP, WHO SAID THAT TRUMP

TOWER WAS WIRE TAPPED BY

THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION.

AND HE SAYS HE FEELS

SOMEWHAT VINDICATED BY THE

FINDINGS.

President Trump: I

SOME WHAT DO.

I VERY MUCH APPRECIATED

THE FACT THEY FOUND WHAT

THEY FOUND.

I SOMEWHAT DO.

Reporter: NEIL

GORSUCH'S NOMINATION TO

THE COMMITTEE IS MOVING

SMOOTHLY.

I THINK THAT JUDGE

GORSUCH WILL BE AN

EXCELLENT JUSTICE ON THE

SUPREME COURT.

Reporter: HANNA

SMITH, MEMBER OF THE

BECKET LEGAL TEAM THAT

DEFENDED CLIENTS LIKE

HOBBY LOBBY AND LITTLE

SISTERS OF THE POOR --

HE HAS WRITTEN 800

OPINIONS, AND OF THE 800

OPINIONS, ABOUT 98% HAVE

BEEN UNANIMOUS OPINIONS.

IT SHOWS WHAT A CONSENSUS

BUILDER HE IS, AND HOW HE

HAS WRITTEN OPINIONS THAT

ALL OF HIS COLLEAGUES CAN

JOIN.

Reporter: SENATE

REPUBLICANS ARE CERTAIN

JUDGE GORSUCH WILL BE THE

NEXT JUSTICE ON THE

SUPREME COURT.

WHY ANYBODY IN THIS

BODY WOULD VOTE AGAINST

YOU I'LL NEVER UNDERSTAND.

Reporter: THEN THE

SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE

WILL VOTE ON WHETHER TO

SEND HIM ON WITH A

POSITIVE, NEGATIVE, OR

NEUTRAL RATING.

REPORTING FROM CAPITOL

HILL, ABIGAIL ROBERTSON,

CBN NEWS.

Pat: OUR CBN NEWS

POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT

DAVID BRODY IS WITH US NOW

FROM WASHINGTON.

CAN YOU TELL US

SPECIFICALLY WHAT DID THE

FREEDOM CAUCUS WANT, AND

HAVE THEY GOTTEN IT?

HAVE THERE BEEN CHANGES IN

THE BILL.

AND CAN YOU TELL ME A FEW

OF THOSE DETAILS.

David: YOU BET, PAT.

I'VE BEEN UP BURNING THE

MIDNIGHT OIL.

AND I'VE BEEN ON THE PHONE

WITH MANY OF THE FREEDOM

CAUCUS MEMBERS.

LOOK, THEY WANT TWO

THINGS: THEY WANT THE

ESSENTIAL HEALTH BENEFITS,

INSURANCE REGULATION

REPEALED.

THEY WANT IT GONE.

IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY WANT

THE ESSENTIAL HEALTH

BENEFITS GONE.

YOU MAY HEAR THE

REPUBLICANS, HORRIBLE,

THEY WANT ESSENTIAL HEALTH

BENEFITS GONE, LIKE

MATERNITY CARE.

THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY'RE

SAYING.

IN ALL OF THE OBAMACARE

PLANS, THERE ARE THESE

ESSENTIAL HEALTH BENEFITS,

WHICH IN ESSENCE DRIVE UP

THE COST OF BENEFITS.

BECAUSE IF YOU'RE 65 YEARS

OLD, YOU DON'T NEED

MATERNITY CARE.

SO THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT,

THEY WANT THAT OUT OF IT.

AND THERE IS THE TITLE 1,

AND THESE ARE ALL OF THE

OTHER INSURANCE

REGULATIONS THEY BELIEVE

DRIVE UP THE COST OF THESE

PREMIUMS.

THIS IS WHERE THE WIGGLE

ROOM COMES IN BETWEEN THE

WHITE HOUSE AND PAUL RYAN

AND THE FREEDOM CAUCUS,

BECAUSE THEY DON'T JUST

WANT THE ESSENTIAL HEALTH

BENEFITS REPEALED, THEY

WANT MANY OF THESE TITLE 1

REGULATIONS REPEALED.

THE WIGGLE ROOM IS HOW

MANY OF THESE TITLE 1

REGULATIONS WILL BE

REPEALED.

ALL OF THIS WILL BE

DISCUSSED TODAY BETWEEN

THE FREEDOM CAUCUS AND THE

WHITE HOUSE.

THAT'S WHERE A TOP

LEADERSHIP AIDE JUST TOLD

ME MOMENTS AGO, THAT'S

WHERE THE DEAL IS GOING TO

GO DOWN, AT THE WHITE

HOUSE TODAY, AND THEN WE

WAIT AND SEE.

Pat: FROM WHAT I

GATHER FROM THE FREEDOM

CAUCUS, THEY REALLY WANT

TO GIVE THE PRESIDENT A

BILL THAT WILL LOOK GOOD

THREE OR FOUR YEARS FROM

NOW.

THEY'RE NOT TRYING TO HURT

HIM.

THEY'RE TRYING TO HELP

HIM.

AM I CORRECT IN THAT?

David: PAT, YOU'RE

ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

THEY CALL IT A DEATH

SPIRAL.

IF YOU DON'T GET RID OF

THESE INSURANCE

REGULATIONS, THE TITLE 1

INSURANCE REGULATIONS WE

TALKED ABOUT -- IF YOU

DON'T GET RID OF THAT AND

YOU JUST DO SOME OF THE

OTHER STUFF, WHERE YOU'RE

REPEALING SOME OF

OBAMACARE, IT'S NOT GOING

TO MATTER AND YOU'RE NOT

GOING TO HAVE A GOOD BILL.

OF COURSE, THE REPUBLICAN

LEADERSHIP, PAUL RYAN, HAS

SAID ALL ALONG, WE'RE NOTE NOT

GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET IT

THROUGH THE SENATE BECAUSE

OF PARLIAMENTIAN RULES.

BUT THAT MIGHT NOT BE THE

CASE.

THE PARLIAMENT MAY DECIDE

BECAUSE THIS IS A BUDGET

RECONCILIATION BILL, AND

YOU ONLY NEED 51 VOTES IN

THE SENATE, IF SOMETHING

IS NOT RELATED TO TAXES

AND SPENDING, THEN IT

WON'T PASS THE SENATE.

BUT THE FREEDOM CAUCUS

MEMBERS ARE SAYING, GIVE

ME A BREAK.

ALL OF THIS IS RELATED TO

TAXES AND SPENDING, SO IT

WOULD PASS THE SENATE.

WE'LL SEE.

Pat: IS MITCH

McCONNELL READY TO PUSH

IT THROUGH, REGARDLESS, DO

YOU THINK?

David: YEAH, IN

TERMS OF THE THE HEALTH

CARE BILL.

ABSOLUTELY HE IS.

LOOK, PAT, THIS IS -- CAN

I DO A FOOD ANALOGY?

Pat: GO AHEAD,

BROTHER.

David: SO HERE IS

THE THING: IF YOU'RE A

KID, OBAMACARE -- I'M

TALKING ABOUT IF YOU'RE A

KID, NOT IF YOU'RE PAT

ROBERTSON, WHO EATS VERY

HEALTHY, IF YOU'RE A KID,

OBAMACARE IS LIKE

BROCCOLI.

AND THE FREEDOM CAUCUS

WANTS ICE CREAM.

AND RIGHT NOW WHAT THE

FREEDOM CAUCUS IS GETTING

IS GRILLED CHICKEN WITHOUT

THE SEASONING.

BUT THEY'RE NOT GETTING

BROCCOLI.

THEY'RE GETTING SOME OF

OBAMACARE REPEALED.

RIGHT NOW THEY'VE GOT

GRILLED CHICKEN.

HERE IS WHAT TRUMP AND

PAUL RYAN ARE SAYING.

THEY'RE SAYING GRILLED

CHICKEN IS JUST PHASE ONE.

WE'VE GOT PHASE TWO

COMING, WHICH IS MAYBE

SOME BACON ON TOP OF THE

CHICKEN.

WE'VE GOT PHASE THREE,

WHICH IS MELTED CHEESE.

AND THEN AT THE END,

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A

BEAUTIFUL MEAL, A HUGE,

BIG-LEAGUE MEAL.

Pat: I THINK THEY'RE

GOING TO PASS IT.

I DON'T THINK THEY CAN

DENY THE PRESIDENT THIS

VICTORY.

David: I THINK YOU

MAY BE RIGHT, PAT.

THEY'RE VERY CLOSE.

MY SOURCES ARE TELLING ME

THEY'RE ABOUT THREE VOTES

SHY RIGHT NOW.

EARLIER IT WAS ABOUT 27

NOs.

I THINK IT IS ABOUT 25, 24

NOs.

THEY'RE ALLOWED ABOUT 22

NOs.

AND THEN IF THERE ARE 23

NOs, THEY LOSE.

THEY'RE ABOUT 25.

I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO

SEE MOVEMENT.

I THINK THIS BILL IS GOING

TO PASS, BUT I THINK IT IS

GOING TO BE A LONG NIGHT

WATCHING C-SPAN UNTIL

ABOUT 3 a.m. IN THE

MORNING WHERE WE WATCH THE

CLOCK TICK UNTIL THEY GET

THAT FINAL VOTE.

THEY CAN OPEN A VOTE AT

7 p.m. AND KEEP IT OPEN

AS LONG AS THEY WANT UNTIL

THEY GET THE FINAL VOTE.

Pat: AND THE NEXT

THING MOST AMERICANS ARE

CONCERNED ABOUT IS TAX

CUTS.

I DON'T THINK THEY'RE

GOING TO TRY TO OVERHAUL

THE ENTIRE CODE.

CAN'T THEY JUST CUT SOME

BRACKETS AND GET ON WITH

THAT?

David: I DON'T THINK

THEY'RE GOING TO GO

NECESSARILY FOR THE WHOLE

ENCHILADA.

BUT THEY'RE GOING TO TRY

TO MAKE SYSTEMIC TAX CUTS.

AND THE TRUMP

ADMINISTRATION IS CALLING

THESE WHAT THEY HOPE TO BE

THE LARGEST IN A VERY,

VERY LONG TIME, SINCE

REAGAN.

WE'LL SEE.

IF HEALTH CARE HITS A

SNAG, THEN THE TAX CUTS

MAY HIT SOMEWHAT OF A

SNAG.

BUT DONALD TRUMP'S BREAD

AND BUTTER ALL ALONG HAS

BEEN ECONOMICS.

IT IS NOT JUST THE ART OF

THE DEALING DEAL, BUT HE IS A

BUSINESSMAN, AND HE KNOWS

THE TAX CODE VERY WELL.

THIS WILL BE IN HIS

COMFORT ZONE GOING

FORWARD.

Pat: GREAT ANALYSIS.

THANK YOU, DAVID.

KEEP IT UP.

INTERESTING, TERRY.

THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE IT

TO THE PRESIDENT.

MARK MY WORD, IT WILL

PASS.

IT WILL GET THOSE EXTRA

VOTES AND IT WILL GO

THROUGH.

THEY'RE GOING TO WORK

TOGETHER TO GIVE A

TREMENDOUS HEALTH CARE.

BUT THE WHOLE IDEA OF

MANDATES, YOU HAVE TO HAVE

MATERNITY CARE FOR A

60-YEAR-OLD.

YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE

ARTHRITIS FOR A

20-YEAR-OLD --

Terry: THEY HAVE TO

CHANGE THE STRUCTURE.

Pat: EVERYBODY HAS TO

HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE FOR

ALL OF THE DISEASES THEY

MIGHT NOT EVER HAVE.

THEY'RE GOING TO CHANGE

IT.

THIS IS THE WAY THEY'RE

GOING TO DO IT.

THEY'RE MAKING SAUSAGE,

AND YOU DON'T WANT TO

WATCH THEM MAKING IT.

YOU JUST WANT TO EAT IT

WHEN IT IS DONE.

Terry: SAW I'M GETTING

HUNGRY.

> COMING UP...

I NEVER THOUGHT OF

MYSELF BEING ABLE TO DO

THAT UNTIL I SAW A PEER,

SOMEONE MY AGE, WHO HAD

WRITTEN A SONG.

AND I THOUGHT, MAYBE I

COULCANDO THAT.

Terry: STEVEN CURTIS

CHAPMAN TELLS US HOW HE

FOUND HIS VOICE.

THAT'S LATER ON TODAY'S

SHOW.

Efrem: COMING UP

NEXT...A STORY FROM UGANDA

THAT WILL SHOCK YOU.

THE WITCH DOCTORS

BELIEVE THAT WHEN YOU

KIDNAP A CHILD, YOU GET

WEALTH, YOU GET

PROTECTION.

Efrem: CHILDREN ARE

BEING USED AS HUMAN

SACRIFICES.

HE WAS NOWHERE TO BE

FOUND.

Efrem: AND THOSE

LUCKY TO SURVIVE SPEAK

OUT.

JUST PRAY AND ASK GOD

THAT THIS WILL NEVER

HAPPEN TO ANYBODY ELSE.

Pat: SOME DECADES

AGO, WINSTON CHURCHILL

CALLED UGANDA THE JEWEL OF

AFRICA.

IT WAS CONSIDERED ONE OF

THE MOST BEAUTIFUL PLACES.

THE CLIMATE WAS LOVELY.

THE ANIMALS, EVERYTHING,

IT WAS A LOVELY PLACE.

I FLEW INTO KAMPALA SOME

YEARS AGO.

MODERN BANK BUILDINGS, A

BUSTLING CITY.

IT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE SOME

BUSH VILLAGE.

AND IT'S THRIVING.

AND THE PRESIDENT OF

UGANDA IS AN ENLIGHTENED

GENTLEMAN, WHO IN MY

OPINION HAS DONE A PRETTY

GOOD JOB.

HE IS GETTING A LITTLE

MORE DICTATORIAL, BUT IT

IS GOOD.

THIS IS THE HOME OF IDI

AMIN, AND THE BUTCHERY

THAT WENT ON WITH HIM.

EVERY YEAR HUNDREDS OF

UGANDAN CHILDREN --

HUNDREDS -- ARE KIDNAPPED

AND MURDERED AS PART OF A

THRIVING HUMAN SACRIFICE

BUSINESS.

BUT NOW A CHRISTIAN PASTOR

IS TEAMING UP WITH POLICE

AND POLITICIANS TO STOP

THIS BRUTAL PRACTICE.

AND WE WANT TO WARN YOU

THAT PARTS OF THIS STORY

OF DISTURBING, BUT OUR

GEORGE THOMAS WAS IN

KAMPALA, IN UGANDA, TO

BRING US THIS EXCLUSIVE

REPORT.

George: IT'S A LITTLE

AFTER 2:00 IN THE MORNING.

ABOUT AN HOUR'S DRIVE

SOUTH OF KAMPALA.

CBN NEWS HAS JOINED

UNDERCOVER DETECTIVES,

ARMED POLICE, AND A PASTOR

HUNTING FOR A WITCH DOCTOR

ACCUSED OF KIDNAPPING AND

KILLING CHILDREN.

THE WITCH DOCTORS

BELIEVE THAT WHEN YOU

KIDNAP A CHILD, YOU GET

WEALTH, YOU GET

PROTECTION.

George: PASTOR PETER

LEADS THE SEARCH.

HE RUNS KAMPISI CHILD CARE

MINISTRIES, AND HE

DESCRIBES THE WITCH

DOCTORS' BRUTAL RITUALS.

WHEN THEY GET A CHILD,

MOST TIMES THEY CUT THE

NECK.

THEY TAKE THE BLOOD OUT.

THEY CUT THE GENITALS OR

ANY BODY ORGANS THAT THE

SPIRITS WANT.

IN A SENSE, IT INVOLVES A

CHILD DYING.

George: A FEW HOURS

IN, THE TRAIL FOR THE

KILLER GOES COLD.

PASTOR PETER SAYS THESE

GRUESOME CRIMES HAPPEN

ALMOST EACH MONTH.

AND THERE ARE VERY FEW,

ACTUALLY, THAT SURVIVE.

MOST OF THEM DIE.

Through Translator: I

HAD HIGH HOPES AND DREAMS

FOR CLIVE.

George: RACHEL

CASINGOS' THREE-YEAR-OLD

SON, CLIVE, DISAPPEARED

JUNE 2nd, 2015, WHILE

PLAYING IN THE BACKYARD OF

THEIR HOME.

IT WAS AROUND 10:00 IN

THE MORNING, WHEN WE

NOTICED HE WAS NOWHERE TO

BE FOUND.

George: CBN NEWS MET

HER THE DAY POLICE HOLD

HER WHAT HAPPENED TO HER

SON.

I NEVER EVEN HEARD OF

CHILD SACRIFICE.

I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT

THE PHRASE MEANT.

George: THE DETECTIVE

TOOK US TO THE SPOT NOT

TWO FAR FROM HIS HOME,

WHERE THEY FOUND CLIVE'S

REMAINS, IN THIS PIT

TOILET, FILLED WITH HUMAN

FECES.

HE SAID THE KEY SUSPECT

TURNED OUT TO BE HER

NEIGHBOR, WHO ALLEGEDLY

HIRED TO MEN TO KIDNAP AND

MUTILATE THE CHILD'S BODY.

THE DETECTIVE SAID THE

SUSPECT PAID THE

EQUIVALENT OF $1400 FOR

CLIVE'S LIFE.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW

SOMEONE CAN BE ABLE TO

SACRIFICE A 3-YEAR-OLD

KID.

George: CHILD

SACRIFICE TODAY IN UGANDA

IS SUCH A SERIOUS AND

WIDESPREAD PROBLEM THAT

THE GOVERNMENT HAS EVEN

SET UP AN ANTI-CHILD

SACRIFICE AND HUMAN

TRAFFICKING TASKFORCE.

CHIEF INVESTIGATOR BENOGA

SAYS THAT IN ADDITION TO

DECAPITATION, WITCH

DOCTORS OFTEN SLICE THE

CHILD'S TONGUE AND MIX IT

WITH HERBS FOR SPECIAL

POWERS.

THE TONGUE IS USED TO

WARD AGAINST ENEMIES.

George: MIKE IS

UGANDA'S TOP LAW

ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL.

HE SAYS SUPERSTITION AND

THE DESIRE TO GET RICH

QUICK CONTRIBUTE TO HIGH

CHILD SACRIFICE RATES IN

HIS COUNTRY.

THE CONNECTION IS THESE

WITCH DOCTORS COME AND

TELL PEOPLE WHO WANT TO

GET RICH THAT THAT IN ORDER TO

GET RICH, YOU NEED TO

SACRIFICE HUMAN BLOOD.

George: BEST FRIENDS

KA NAANI, GORGE, AND ALAN ARE

FORTUNATE TO BE ALIVE.

THE THREE ARE CHILD

SACRIFICE FUR VISORS.

A FEW YEARS BACK, KANANI

AND HIS 7-YEAR-OLD SISTER

WERE ATTACKED IN THE BUSH.

HE HAS A 10-INCH SCAR ON

THE BACK OF HIS NECK,

WHERE THE WITC WITCH DOCTOR

TRIED TO DRAIN HIS BLOOD.

I FAINTED AND WHEN I

REGAINED CONSCIOUSNESS, I

FOUND MY SISTER DEAD, WITH

HER HEAD MISSING.

George: TWO MEN

ATTACKED ALAN ON HIS WAY

HOME FROM SCHOOL.

I TRIED TO SCREAM FOR

MY PARENTS, BUT MY VOICE

WAS NOT STRONG ENOUGH FOR

THEM TO HEAR ME.

George: THEY STABBED

HIS NECK, SLICED HIS HEAD

WITH A MACHETE, AND THEN

CAS TRASTECASTRATEDED HIM.

HE REMAINS IN A COMA FOR

TWO MONTHS AFTER HIS

RESCUE.

GEORGE'S MOTHER FOUND HIM

LYING IN A POOL OF BLOOD

AFTER A MAN CASTRATEDED CASTRATED HIS

PRIVATES WITH A BLUNT

KNIFE.

DOCTORS HAD TO RECONSTRUCT

HIS GENITALS WITH SKIN

FROM A FOREARM.

THE BOYS CHALLENGES EACH

OTHER TO LOOK PAST THEIR

PHYSICAL CHALLENGES.

WHEN WE THINK ABOUT

WHAT HAPPENED TO US, WE

PRAY AND ASK GOD THAT THIS

NEVER HAPPEN TO ANYBODY

ELSE.

George: THE THREE

BOYS ARE NOW UNDER PASTOR

PETER'S CARE.

KAMPISI CHILD CARE

MINISTRIES IS THE ONLY

ORGANIZATION IN THE

COUNTRY PROVIDING

LONG-TERM FINANCIAL AND

MEDICAL CARE FOR SURVIVORS

OF CHILD SACRIFICE.

WE WANT TO SEE THAT THE

LIFE OF A CHILD WHO HAS

SURVIVED IS SUPPORTED,

THAT THEY ARE SOCIALLY

ABLE TO STAND AND HEAL

FROM THEIR INJURIES, AND

THAT THEY CAN HAVE A LIFE

AFTER THAT.

George: RACHEL SAYS

LIFE WITHOUT CLIVE WILL

NEVER BE THE SAME.

STILL, SHE HAS A MESSAGE

FOR THE MEN WHO BRUTALLY

MURDERED HER 3-YEAR-OLD

SON.

BECAUSE OF MY FAITH IN

JESUS, I BELIEVE IN SECOND

CHANCES.

AND I WOULD GIVE IT TO

THEM BECAUSE THERE IS

NOTHING I CAN DO TO BRING

CLIVE BACK.

MY MESSAGE TO THEM IS

CONFESS YOUR SINS AND COME

TO THE LORD, BECAUSE WHEN

YOU COME TO THE LORD, HE

WILL FORGIVE YOUR SINS.

George: GEORGE

THOMAS, CBN NEWS, KAMPALA,

UGANDA.

Pat: THE SUFFERING

THOSE PEOPLE HAVE HAD TO

GO THROUGH, BUT THAT'S THE

SUPERSTITION.

IT IS THERE, AND THAT'S

WHY THE ANSWER IS THE

GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST,

THAT TEACHES THE DIGNITY

OF EACH HUMAN BEING AND

THE LOVE OF GOD ALMIGHTY.

TERRY?

Terry: WELL, FROM

PEDUCA, KENTUCKY, TO

CARNEGIE HALL, STEVEN

CURTIS CHAPMAN LOOKS BACK

AT HIS LEGENDARY CAREER.

I CAN'T SAY, HONESTLY,

IT IS A DREAM COME TRUE

BECAUSE A KID FROM PEDUCA

NEVER DREAMS THIS BIG.

Terry: DON'T GO AWAY.

Pat: WELL, YOU ARE

WATCHING "THE 700 CLUB."

AND WE'RE SO GLAD TO HAVE

YOU WITH US.

REMEMBER, SOME GOOD THINGS

ARE HAPPENING.

AND WE'VE ALSO GOT SOME

QUESTIONS TO ANSWER LATER

ON IN THE SHOW.

I THINK YOU'LL BE

INTERESTED IN SOME OF THE

QUESTIONS AND THE ANSWER.

BUT I WANT TO INTRODUCE TO

YOU A GUY, WHO FOR THE

LAST 30 YEARS, HAS BEEN

MAKING CHART-TOPPING

RECORDS, STEVEN CURTIS

CHAPMAN.

RECENTLY HE AND HIS WIFE

SAT DOWN WITH OUR SCOTT

ROSS TO TALK ABOUT HIS

CAREER, LIFE AND DEATH,

AND NEW BEGINNINGS.

HERE THEY ARE.

Reporter: STEVEN

CURTIS CHAPMAN IS THE MOST

AWARDED ARTIST IN

CHRISTIAN MUSIC, WITH 58

DOVE AWARDS, FIVE GRAMMYS,

AND 48 NUMBER ONE SINGLES.

I CAUGHT UP WITH STEVEN

AND HIS WIFE, MARY BETH,

AT HIS RECORDING STUDIO IN

NASHVILLE.

> YOU STARTED OUT MORE

AS A SONGWRITER BEFORE YOU

BECAME A SINGER OF THE

SONG?

WELL, FOR ME IT WAS

BECAUSE MY BROTHER,

HERBIE, WAS THE SINGER.

AND HE HAD THE VOICE.

AND MY VOICE, FIRST OFF,

WAS THE GUITAR.

IT WAS AN INSTRUMENT.

AND THAT'S HOW I REALLY

SORT OF SAID WHAT I WANTED

TO SAY.

SO I SPENT A LOT OF TIME

WITH THE GUITAR.

AND MY DAD WROTE SONGS.

MY DAD AND HIS BUDDIES

WOULD GET TOGETHER AND

SHUT THE KITCHEN DOOR, AND

I WOULD HEAR THEM, AND

THEY WOULD BE RECORDING

THESE SONGS.

I KNEW THAT WAS SOMETHING

REALLY COOL, BUT I NEVER

THOUGHT OF MYSELF BEING

ABLE TO DO THAT UNTIL I

SAW A PEER, SOMEBODY KIND

OF MY AGE, WHO HAD WRITTEN

A SONG.

AND I THOUGHT, MAYBE I CAN

DO THAT.

EVEN THEN, WHEN I WOULD

PLAY SONGS THAT I WROTE, I

WOULD NOTICE A DIFFERENT

REACTION FROM MY FRIENDS.

THEY WOULD LEAN IN A

LITTLE MORE AND LISTEN TO

WHAT I WAS SINGING, AS

OPPOSED IF I WAS SINGING

WHATEVER.

PUPPY LOVE.

YEAH, A DONNY OSMOND

SONG.

Reporter: AFTER 30

YEARS AS A SINGER AND

SONGWRITER, STEVEN HAS

TAKEN SOME TIME OFF TO

WRITE HIS MEMOIR, "BETWEEN

HEAVEN AND THE REAL WORLD,

MY STORY."

THE STORIES THAT HAVE

HAD THE DEEPEST IMPACT ON

ME, IS WHEN I CAN READ THE

STORY OF OTHERS WHO ARE

FOLLOWING CHRIST, WHO ARE

COMMITTED, AND JUST ARE

STILL ON THE JOURNEY.

THEY HAVEN'T ARRIVED.

AND CAN BE HONEST ABOUT

THAT PROCESS.

Reporter: IN HIS

BOOK, STEVEN TAKES US FROM

SMALL-TOWN PADUCAH,

KENTUCKY, ALL THE WAY TO

CARNEGIE HALL.

HIS IS CAN CANDID ABOUT

ADOPTING THREE GIRLS FROM

CHINA, AND HIS 30-YEAR

MARRIAGE TO MARY BETH.

TWO DAYS AFTER OUR

WEDDING, I WAS CRYING ALL

THE WAY HOME.

AND YOU WERE, LIKE --

THIS IS HARDER THAN WE

THOUGHT.

THIS IS GOING TO BE A

LONG LIFE.

A LONG LIFE.

YEAH, JUST MAKING A

DECISION TO LIVE

AUTHENTICLY, AND IT IS

GOING TO BE AN HONEST

APPROACH AT LIFE, BECAUSE

WE ALL HAVE THAT STUFF.

WE ARE NOT IMMUNE.

Reporter: STEVEN AND

MARY BETH LOST THEIR

YOUNGEST CHILD, MARIA, IN

A TRAGIC ACCIDENT AT THEIR

HOME.

MARIA WAS RUNNING TO MEET

HER OLDER BROTHER, BILL,

AS HE WAS PULLING INTO THE

DRIVEWAY, AND SHE WAS

STRUCK BY HIS S.U.V.

HOW MANY YEARS AGO WAS

THIS?

COMING UP ON NINE.

ALMOST NINE.

Reporter: IS THE PAIN

OF THAT STILL THERE?

YES.

Reporter: YOU TALK

ABOUT IT IN DEPTH IN THE

BOOK, AND YOU DO TALK

ABOUT IT PUBLICLY ALL OF

THE TIME.

I SHARE THIS STORY FROM

MY PERSPECTIVE OF JUST

THAT SCENE OF US HUDDLED,

ARMS AROUND EACH OTHER,

JUST LOOKING AT EACH OTHER

SAYING, WE KNOW THIS IS

GOING TO BE HARD.

WE HAVE NO IDEA HOW HARD

OR WHERE THIS IS GOING TO

GO, BUT WE HAVE GOT TO

MAKE THIS -- GET THROUGH

THIS TOGETHER AS A FAMILY.

WE'RE ONLY GOING TO MAKE

IT HOLDING ON TO EACH

OTHER AND HOLDING ON TO

THE PROMISES OFED GOD.

OF GOD.

IT IS ALMOST LIKE GOD GAVE

US A SHOT OF ANESTHESIA TO

YOUR BODY AND YOUR HEART,

IN A WAY, SO THAT YOU CAN

SURVIVE.

YOU'RE VERY MUCH ALIVE AND

AWARE OF HEAVEN AND

ETERNITY -- I TALK A LOT

ABOUT THAT, HEAVEN HAS

NEVER BEEN MORE CLEAR TO

ME, I'VE NEVER BEEN MORE

SURE THAT WE ARE MADE FOR

ETERNITY, AND I TALK ABOUT

SPEAKING THAT TO THE

NURSES AND DOCTORS

STANDING AROUND RIGHT

THERE AFTER MARIA HAD GONE

TO BE WITH JESUS.

Reporter: WHERE ARE

YOU NOW?

WHERE IS IT ALL NOW?

WHERE IS MUSIC?

WHERE ARE YOU GOING?

DO YOU KNOW?

I START THE BOOK IN

PADUCAH, BUT I GET QUICKLY

TO CARNEGIE HALL IN NEW

YORK.

WHERE I SAID PEOPLE CAME

TO ME AFTER I PLAYED AT

CARNEGIE HALL AND SAID,

THIS HAD TO BE A DREAM

COME TRUE.

AND I MY ANSWER WAS, I

CAN'T SAY HONESTLY IT IS A

DREAM COME TRUE BECAUSE A

KID FROM PADUCAH DOESN'T

EVER THINK TO DREAM QUITE

THIS BIG.

THIS JOURNEY IS BEYOND

ANYTHING WE COULD HAVE

ASKED OR IMAGINED.

WE WANT TO CONTINUE,

HONESTLY, TO BE FAITHFUL

WITH THE STORY GOD HAS

ENTRUSTEDED TENTRUSTED TO US.

MUSIC, I'M SURE, WILL BE A

PART OF THAT.

Reporter: MUSIC HAS

BEEN HIS CAREER, BUT

STEVEN IS A MAN GROUNDED

IN THE TRUTH OF GOD'S

WORD, A COMMON THREAD THAT

IS WOVEN THROUGHOUT HIS

SONGS.

*

IT SAYS TASTE AND SEE

THAT THE LORD IS GOOD.

AND THAT'S A PROMISE THAT

WE HAVE HAD TO HOLD ON TO

BECAUSE SO MANY MOMENTS IN

OUR STORY -- AND ALL OF US

HAVE A STORY -- LIFE IS

ANYTHING BUT TASTING GOOD

AT THAT MOMENT, OR LOOKING

AT WHAT WE SEE THAT DOES

NOT LOOK GOOD.

BUT CAN WE STILL BELIEVE

WE WERE GOING TO SEE THE

GOODNESS OF THE LORD, THAT

WE WERE GOING TO HAVE

GRANDCHILDREN.

AND WE WERE GOING TO STAND

AT THE CRIB OF OUR FIRST

GRANDCHILD WITH TEARS IN

OUR EYES AND SAY, WE'VE

MADE IT.

THERE IS THIS NEW

BEGINNING, THIS NEW LIFE

THAT GOD HAS GIVEN US, AND

THE BEAUTY THAT HAS AND IS

COMING FROM THE ASHES,

EVEN AS WE'RE HOPING AND

LONGING FOR WHAT'S YET TO

BE REALIZED WHEN GOD

FINALLY WIPES EVERY TEAR

FROM OUR EYES.

* AND NOW THERE IS NO

GUILT OR SHAME *

Pat: HE LOOKS SO

YOUNG, BUT HE LOOKS SO

HUMBLE.

HE IS STILL A YOUNG MAN

FROM PADUCAH, KENTUCKY.

Terry: THAT IS PART

OF THE DRAW TO STEVEN AND

MARY BETH IS THEIR

HUMANNESS IN THE FACE OF

SOME STUFF THINGS.

Pat: IT LOOKED LIKE

THAT WOULD BLOW HIS HEAD

LIKE A BALLOON, HIS

SUCCESS, BUT HE HAS KEPT

GROUNDED IN THE WORD.

Terry: YOU CAN READ

MORE OF THE CHAPMAN'S

STORY IN THEIR NEW BOOK.

IT'S CALLED "BETWEEN

HEAVEN AND THE REAL WORLD:

MY STORY."

IT IS AVAILABLE WHEREVER

BOOKS ARE SOLD.

I THINK YOU'LL FIND IT

WONDERFUL TO READ, EVEN AS

IT WAS TO HEAR THEM SPEAK

TODAY.

> STILL AHEAD, THEY'RE

THE COUPLE WHO STARTED A

COMPANY AND WOUND UP

BREAKING RECORDS ON "SHARK

TANK."

GET THE SECRET BEHIND

"GRACE AND LACE," WHEN WE

COME BACK.

Efrem: WELCOME BACK

TO WASHINGTON FOR THIS CBN

NEWSBREAK.

A THREE-JUDGE PANEL RULED

THAT A SCHOOL BOARD IN

TEXAS CAN OPEN ITS

MEETINGS WITH STUDENT-LED

PRAYER.

THE CASE INVOLVED THE

BYRDVILLE PENTAGON SCHOOL

DISTRICT WHICH HAS ALLOWED

STUDENTS TO PRAY SINCE

1997.

A 2014 SUPREME COURT

RULING THAT ALLOWED

PRAYERS IN TOWN COUNCIL

MEETINGS IN GREECE, NEW

YORK.

THE TEXAS RULING IS

EXPECTED TO BE APPEALED.

> LAWYERS FOR A WEST

VIRGINIA PUBLIC SCHOOL

SYSTEM ARE ASKING A JUDGE

TO MAINTAIN A CHILDREN'S

BIBLE CLASS THAT HAS BEEN

RUNNING FOR 75 YEARS.

A MOTHER HAS FILED A

LAWSUIT OVER THE BIBLE

SCHOOL'S PROGRAM.

SHE SAYS IT IS

UNCONSTITUTIONAL, BUT THE

SCHOOL DISTRICT ARGUES SHE

DOESN'T HAVE STANDING TO

SUE BECAUSE HER CHILD IS

IN KINDERGARTEN, AND THE

BIBLE CLASS DOESN'T START

UNTIL FIRST GRADE.

> WELL, YOU CAN ALWAYS

GET THE LATEST FROM CBN

NEWS BY GOING TO OUR

WEBSITE AT cbnnews.com.

PAT AND TERRY WILL BE BACK

WITH MORE OF "THE 700

CLUB" RIGHT AFTER THIS.

Terry: A FEW YEARS

AGO, MELISSA HENAN SNAPPED

A SHOT OF A LACEY SOCK AND

TOSSED THAT PHOTO ONLINE.

WELL, THAT HELPED LAUNCH A

BUSINESS, ONE THAT IS

DOING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS

IN SALES.

Reporter: RICK AND

MELISSA WERE EXCITED TO

STAR A FAMILY.

IN 2010, WHEN MELISSA WAS

FIVE MONTHS PREGNANT, SHE

WAS ORDERED ON BED REST

UNTIL THE BABY WAS BORN.

TO PASS THE TIME, SHE

STARTED SEWING AND

KNITTING.

THEY WERE HEARTBROKEN WHEN

MELISSA LOST THE BABY TWO

WEEKS LATER, BUT RICK AND

MELISSA DECIDED TO CHANNEL

THAT PAIN INTO SOMETHING

GOOD.

THEY LAUNCHED THEIR

COMPANY, "GRACE AND LACE,"

BY MAKING AND SELLING

SOCKS ONLINE.

AFTER APPEARING ON "SHARK

TANK" IN 2013, THEY HIT

$1 MILLION IN FIVE DAYS.

Terry: PLEASE WELCOME

TO THE SHOW THE FOUNDERS

OF "GRACE AND LACE," RICK

AND MELISSA HANEN.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR

BEING HERE.

IT IS AN HONOR TO BE

HERE.

Terry: THERE IS A

THEME RUNNING THROUGH OR

PROGRAM OF CHILDREN WHO

HAVE, FOR SOME REASON OR

ANOTHER, BEEN LOST OR IN

TERRIBLE SITUATIONS.

YOU, AS PARENTS, WERE IN A

TERRIBLE SITUATION WITH

YOUR FIRST CHILD.

I SAW LOST, BUT DIDN'T

SURVIVE.

WAS IT FIVE MONTHS WHEN

SHE WAS BORN?

YEAH.

SHE WAS BORN -- YUP, ABOUT

HALF WAY THROUGH MY

PREGNANCY.

Terry: WOW, THAT IS

JUST SO HARD TO EVEN

IMAGINE, THE HEARTACHE OF

THAT.

YES.

Terry: OUT OF THAT,

THOUGH, YOU WERE IN THE

HOSPITAL ON THAT BED REST

BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY

DELIVERED, YOU STARTED

DOING SOMETHING -- HAD YOU

EVER DONE IT BEFORE, THE

KNITTING?

NO.

I HAD LEARNED TO SEW AS A

LITTLE GIRL, BUT WHEN I

WAS ON BED REST, THEY TOLD

ME I HAD TO LAY ON MY

BACK.

SO I PICKED UP SEWING

AGAIN AND KNITTING AND

CROCHETING.

Terry: RICK, YOU'VE

ALWAYS BEEN A BIT OF AN

ENTREPRENEUR AT HEART.

WELL, I STARTED

BUSINESSES FROM SEVENTH

GRADE ON.

IT HAS JUST BEEN SOMETHING

I NATURALLY GRAP GRAVITATED TO

AND LOVED.

Terry: HERE YOU ARE

IN THIS DIFFICULT

SCENARIO, AND THEN THE

BABY THAT YOU SO BELIEVED

WAS GOING TO MAKE IT

BECAUSE OF YOUR FOUR

MONTHS OF SACRIFICIALLY

LYING STILL, YOU LOSE.

AND YOU'RE LEFT WITH THE

HEARTACHE OF IT.

HOW DID YOU TAKE THAT

HEARTACHE AND MOVE

FORWARD?

YEAH.

THERE ARE REALLY TWO

DECISIONS ONE CAN MAKE.

AND AS BELIEVERS THAT

PRAYED WITH EVERYTHING

THAT WE HAD, AND WE HAD A

TON OF PEOPLE PRAYING FOR

US, WE COULD HAVE MADE A

DECISION TO BE MAD,

BITTER, UPSET, AND ASK

GOD, WHY DIDN'T YOU ANSWER

OUR PRAYERS?

OR WE COULD CHOOSE TO

TRUST IN HIM THROUGH THE

PAIN.

I TOLD MELISSA ABOUT AN

HOUR AFTER OUR LOSS THAT

WE WERE GOING TO MAKE THE

DECISION TO TRUST GOD.

AND IF WE GOT AN ANSWER OF

WHY IT HAPPENED, GREAT.

BUT IF WE DIDN'T, NO BIG

DEAL.

Terry: THE BIBLE SAYS

THAT GOD GIVES US BEAUTY

FOR ASHES AND THE OIL OF

JOY FOR MOURNING, BUT YOU

KIND OF HAVE TO MAKE A

DECISION IN THE MIDST OF

THAT THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING

TO STAY THERE, AND THAT

YOU'RE GOING TO LET GOD

MOVE YOU FORWARD.

EXACTLY.

Terry: YOU THROW UP

ON LINE A PICTURE OF A

SOCK THAT ACTUALLY STICKS

OUT OF THE TOP OF BOOTS.

IT WAS ON THAT TIME IN

BED REST THAT I DEVELOPED

THAT LOVE FOR CREATING.

ONE DAY I JUST WANTED TO

MAKE A PAIR OF SOCKS THAT

HAD LACE ON THE TOP OF

THEM, FOR THE TOP OF MY

BOOTS, AND I DID FOR

MYSELF.

AND EVERYWHERE I WENT,

PEOPLE WOULD ASK ME WHERE

I GOT THEM.

SO RICK SUGGESTED I PUT

THEM ON LINE, AND IN A

MATTER OF THREE DAYS, WE

SOLD SO MANY SOCKS.

AND I SAID, HOW AM I GOING

TO MAKE ALL OF THESE?

IT TOOK ME FIVE HOURS TO

MAKE ONE PAIR.

SO WE HIRED OTHER OTHERS TO HELP

US HEADACHE THEM.

Terry: TELL US ABOUT

"SHARK TANK."

WE HAD BEEN BIG FANS

FROM THE FIRST SEASON.

AND I SAID TO MELISSA,

WOULDN'T IT BE A BUSINESS

THAT WAS ON "SHARK TANK."

AND THIS BUSINESS COMES

OUT OF OUR TRAGEDY, AN

ACCIDENTAL COMPANY THAT WE

THOUGHT, BUT NOT

ACCIDENTAL IN GOD'S EYES.

AND I TOLD MELISSA, AFTER

HAVING THE BUSINESS FOR

THREE MONTHS, I REALLY

FEEL LIKE WE'RE SUPPOSED

TO BE ON "SHARK TANK," AND

SHE KIND OF LOOKED AT ME

AND SMILED, I LOVE YOU,

BUT YOU'RE CRAZY.

IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

BUT YOU JUST GO AHEAD AND

APPLY ONLINE.

SO I DID, AND I DIDN'T

HEAR ANYTHING.

I DID ABOUT FIVE TIMES

OVER A FOUR MONTH PERIOD.

AND I DIDN'T HEAR A THING.

AND I THOUGHT, MAYBE THIS

ISN'T OF GOD.

MAYBE I MISSED IT.

BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE MISS

IT.

AND I WAS ON A PHONE WITH

A GOOD BUDDY OF MINE, AND

ASKED HIM IF HE WANTED TO

PARTNER WITH US.

AND HE SAID, I DO, BUT I

REALLY THINK YOU SHOULD BE

ON "SHARK TANK."

AND I LAUGHED AND I SAID,

WHY DID YOU SAY THAT?

AND HE SAID, I'VE BEEN

PRAYING ABOUT IT AND I

THINK THAT'S WHAT GOD HAS

FOR YOU GUYS.

AND SAID, I KNOW A

PRODUCER, AND LET ME MAKE

A PHONE CALL.

AND WITHIN 15 MINUTES WE

WERE ON THE PHONE WITH

PRODUCERS.

Terry: I THINK

SOMETIMES GOD WANTS US TO

KNOW THIS IS REALLY MY

IDEA, NOT YOURS.

WITHOUT QUESTION.

Terry: YOU WOUND UP

PARTNERING AND DOING

BUSINESS WITH BARBARA.

YES.

Terry: WERE YOU,

LIKE, STUNNEDED THA STUNNED THAT IT

ACTUALLY WORKED OUT?

IT IS SURREAL BEING ON

THAT STAGE.

AND WE HAD DONE LEG WORK

BEFORE THE SHOW AND KNEW

AND REALLY FELT THE LORD

LEADING US TO PARTNER WITH

HER.

SO WHEN WE GOT A FULL

OFFER FROM HER, WE KNEW

THAT THAT WAS IT.

Terry: WELL, LET'S

LEAP FORWARD INTO THE

SUCCESS OF YOUR COMPANY.

YOU NOW HAVE -- IS IT MORE

THAN 400 PRODUCTS?

OH, NO.

WE HAVE ABOUT A THOUSAND

EXCUSE ASKEWS AT THIS POINT.

WE HAD PROBABLY 25 WHEN WE

AIRED ON "SHARK TANK."

Terry: SO THIS IS THE

INITIATOR?

IT IS.

Terry: WHAT DO YOU

CALL THESE?

THOSE ARE LEG WARMERS.

WITH BUTTONS DOWN THEM.

Terry: AND THIS IS

THE BOOT TOP.

ARE YOU WEARING --

I AM.

I'M WEARING TWO OF MY

PIECES, ACTUALLY.

LIKE I SAID, I STARTED

MAKING THIS PAIR OF SOCKS

WITH LACE ON IT, AND NOW

I'VE JUST COME TO REALLY

BE ABLE TO CREATE WHAT I'M

MISSING IN MY OWN CLOSET.

SO WE CREATE AND DESIGN

ALL SORTS OF WOMEN'S

APPAREL.

Terry: WHAT DO YOU

CALL THIS?

THAT'S A LACE EXTENT.

EXTENDER.

SO TOPS THAT ARE A LITTLE

TOO SHORT, I PUT IT UNDER

THERE AND IT TURNS IT INTO

A DRESS.

Terry: SO YOU JUST

HAVE EXPLODED IN THIS

BUSINESS THAT YOU'RE

DOING.

YOU'RE NOT JUST HUNGRY FOR

THE PROFITS, AS SO MANY

PEOPLE WOULD BE, BUT YOU

WANT TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE

AS WELL.

YES.

Terry: YOU HAVE SOME

WORK GOING ON IN INDIA.

TELL US ABOUT THAT.

WHEN I WAS 18 YEARS OLD

I WENT TO INDIA AND I

SPENT MY SUMMER THERE.

AND I HAVE NEVER SEEN

POVERTY LIKE THAT.

I'D BEEN ALL OVER THE

WORLD ON MISSION TRIPS.

AND I LEFT A NOTE IN MY

JOURNAL THAT SAID, I'VE

BEEN SO HAR HEARTBROKEN,

WORKING IN AN ORPHANAGE

AND SEEING A BABY WITH A

BOTTLE STRAPPED TO ITS

FACE BECAUSE THERE IS NOT

ENOUGH PEOPLE TO HELP FEED

HER.

AND NEVER IN A MILLION

YEARS DID I THINK THE LORD

WOULD GIVE US A BUSINESS

THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO FUND

AND SUPPORT ORPHANAGES

BEING BUILT OVER THERE.

"GRACE AND LACE" HAS BEEN

ABLE TO BUILD SEVEN.

AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO

RESCUE HUNDREDS OF ORPHANS

OFF THE STREET.

Terry: WHAT A PLAN

GOD HAS IN ALL THINGS.

WHO CAN EVER UNDERSTAND

IT.

WHAT AN AMAZING STORY YOU

HAVE, AND WHAT AN AMAZING

JOURNEY YOU'RE ON.

IT IS SO EXCITING TO SEE

WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH

ALL OF THIS, AND HOW GOD

HAS TRULY GIVEN YOU THE

DESIRES OF YOUR HEART AND

FULFILLED HIS OWN

PROMISES.

WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR

BEING ON THE PROGRAM WITH

US TODAY.

IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN

WHAT "GRACE AND LACE" HAS

TO OFFER, BOTH IN PRODUCT

AND THEIR INVOLVEMENT IN

INDIA, JUST GO TO

cbn.com.

GOD BLESS YOU.

THANK YOU, TERRY.

THANK YOU.

Terry: COMING UP

AFTER THE BREAK, WE'VE GOT

ANOTHER ROUND OF "BRING IT

ON.".

JENNIFER SAYS, "BEFORE I

WAS A CHRISTIAN, I

CHALLENGED GOD BY BURNING

A BIBLE.

I'VE HAD TROUBLES IN MY

LIFE SINCE.

IS THIS TOO MUCH FOR GOD

TO FORGIVE?"

YOUR E-MAILS ARE NEXT, SO

DON'T GO AWAY.

Terry: WE WANT TO

TAKE SOME TIME TO RESPOND

TO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS

THAT YOU HAVE E-MAILED TO

US.

PAT, THIS COMES FROM

JENNIFER, WHO SAYS, "DEAR,

PAT, I WAS A PRETTY BAD

TEENAGER AND YOUNG ADULT.

WHEN I WAS HAVING

TROUBLES, I UNFORTUNATELY

HEARD THAT BIBLES WON'T

BURN.

SO IN ONE OF MY BAD TIMES

I CHALLENGED GOD BY

BURNING MY BIBLE.

I BEGGED FOR FORGIVENESS

SOON AFTER, BUT BEFORE I

WAS MENTALLY MATURE ENOUGH

TO KNOW YOU CAN'T BLAME

OTHERS OR GOD FOR YOUR

PROBLEMS.

I FELT DEEP DOWN ALL OF MY

PROBLEMS WERE A DIRECT

EFFECT OF THAT HORRIBLE

DEED.

I KNOW GOD FORGIVES, BUT

WAS THAT TOO MUCH FOR HIM

TO FORGIVE?"

Pat: LOOK, THE BIBLE

IS A BOOK THAT CAN BLESS.

IT IS THE WORDS.

BUT IT IS NOT SOME MAGIC

BOOK.

IT'S PAGES.

AND SO YOU BURNED SOME

PAGES.

I KNOW THAT OUR HEBREW

FRIENDS FEEL THAT A SCROLL

OR A TORAH SCROLL IS VERY

SACRED AND HAS ALL KINDS

OF CONSEQUENCES.

BUT I DON'T THINK WE FEEL

THAT WAY ABOUT THE BIBLE.

IT IS THE IMPACT OF THE

WORDS.

BUT THE BIGGEST THING IS

GOD WILL FORGIVE YOU, AND

YOU NEED TO GET BEFORE HIM

AND SAY, GOD, I SINNED.

I SINNED BECAUSE I WAS

REBELLING AGAINST YOU, AND

I ASK YOU PLEASE TO

FORGIVE MY REBELLION.

AND I SUBMIT TO YOU.

NOW, LOOK, ONE OF THE

THINGS THAT I RECOMMEND

THAT IS SO IMPORTANT IS

SPEND A DAY OR TWO, IF

NEED BE, BEFORE THE LORD.

GET A PIECE OF PAPER, A

YELLOW LEGAL PAD AND A

PEN, AND PRAY.

AND EVERYTHING THAT COMES

TO YOUR MIND THAT YOU'VE

DONE WRONG, I WANT YOU TO

WRITE IT DOWN.

EVERYTHING.

EVERYTHING.

AND SAY, LORD, HERE IS

WHAT I DID.

I CONFESS IT.

I DID IT, AND I'M SORRY.

WRITE IT DOWN.

AND WHEN IT IS ALL OVER

WITH AND YOU'VE CLEANSED

YOUR HEART, SAY, LORD, I

RECEIVE YOUR FORGIVENESS

FOR ALL OF THIS.

TAKE THAT PAPER, BALL IT

UP, TAKE A MATCH AND SET

IT ON FIRE, AND IT'S GONE.

AND IT WILL BE GONE BEFORE

THE LORD BECAUSE HE WILL

HAVE FORGIVEN YOU ALL OF

THIS, AND YOU WILL START A

NEW LIFE.

HE WANTS YOUR CONSCIENCE

CLEANSED FROM DEAD WORK

THAT YOU MIGHT SERVE THE

LIVING GOD.

THAT'S WHAT THE BIBLE

SAYS.

HE DOESN'T WANT YOU

TORMENTED BECAUSE OF SOME

CHILDHOOD DISCRETION.

HE WANTS YOU FOR SERVICE.

HE WANTS YOU TO GET BUSY

AND SERVE HIM.

THAT'S WHAT HE WANTS.

HOW DOES HE GET YOU THAT

WAY?

WELL, YOUR CONSCIENCE HAS

TO BE CLEANSED.

HE'LL CLEANSE YOU.

Terry: HOLLY SAYS, "I

WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW

LONG JOB'S ORDEAL WENT ON

UNTIL ALL WAS RESTORED TO

HIM.

WAS IT DAYS, MONTHS, OR

YEARS?"

Pat: I THINK IT WAS

YEARS.

IT WAS A LONG TIME.

HE WAS SICK.

HE SAW THE DESTRUCTION OF

HIS FAMILY.

HE WAS REJECTED.

HE WAS DESPISED.

THE SONS OF PEOPLE WHO HE

WOULDN'T EVEN PUT TO FEED

HIS FLOCKS WERE OUT THERE

MAKING FUN OF HIM.

Terry: EVEN HIS WIFE.

Pat: OF COURSE, HIS

WIFE.

IT WAS A HORRIBLE MESS.

IT TOOK YEARS.

BUT GOD GAVE HIM BACK

EVERYTHING, DOUBLE,

DOUBLE, DOUBLE.

Terry: ALBERTO SAYS,

"IS IT OKAY TO SPLIT THE

TITHE BETWEEN DIFFERENT

MINISTRIES, OR DOES IT

NEED TO GO TO ONE PLACE?"

Pat: I WANT TO TELL

YOU AGAIN, GOD IS NOT A

PHILADELPHIA LAWYER.

HE IS NOT AN ACCOUNTANT.

THIS IS WHAT'S IN YOUR

HEART.

WHAT DOES GOD LEAD YOU TO?

THE GIVING IS ACCORDING TO

HIS LOVE FOR YOU.

IF THERE ARE SEVERAL

MINISTRIES THAT BLESS YOU,

BY ALL MEANS PARTICIPATE

IN ALL OF THEM.

IT IS SMART, THOUGH, TO

FOCUS YOUR GIVING INTO TWO

OR THREE, OR ONE OR TWO

SOURCES.

YOU HAVE A LOT MORE IMPACT

THAN IF YOU JUST SPREAD IT

OUT TO ABOUT 10 PEOPLE.

A LITTLE BIT DOESN'T HELP

THAT MUCH.

I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU

FOCUS IN ON WHAT REALLY

TOUCHES YOU AND WHAT THE

LORD IS REALLY SPEAKING TO

YOU.

Terry: DARLENE SAYS,

"HI, PAT.

A FEW YEARS AGO I ATTENDED

AN EVENT THAT MY BOSS

ASKED ME TO GO TO WITH

HER.

THERE WERE MANY MEMBERS OF

LOCAL CHURCHES THERE.

AFTER THE MEETING, A

MINISTER CAME UP TO ME AND

SAID THAT GOD WANTED ME TO

KNOW HE HEARS MY PRAYERS.

AT THE TIME, I WAS REALLY

PRAYING A LOT FOR

SOMETHING.

DOES THIS EVER HAPPEN?

CAN I BELIEVE THAT THIS

WAS GOD SPEAKING?"

Pat: ABSOLUTELY, GOD

SPEAKS TO PEOPLE.

IT WAS A WORD OF

ENCOURAGEMENT.

THE LORD PROBABLY TOLD

THAT MAN THAT THIS LADY IS

PRAYING, AND LET HER KNOW

I'M WITH HER.

GOD SPEAKS TO HIS

SERVANTS.

YOU'VE GOT TO BE CAREFUL

ABOUT BEING LED BY

SOMEBODY ELSE, BUT THAT IS

LEGITIMATE.

Terry: "AS A

CHRISTIAN, AR TH ARE THE FREE

MASONS A BAD THING TO BE A

PART OF?"

Pat: IF YOU READ

ABOUT THEM, THEY BELIEVE

THE REVERSE.

THEY BELIEVE THAT SATAN IS

GOD, AND THAT THE FATHER

IN THE BIBLE IS SATAN.

IT IS VERY CONFUSING.

THERE IS A LOT OF STUFF IN

THERE THAT IS NOT

WHOLESOME AT ALL.

WHETHER THAT PIKE WRITING

REPRESENTS CURRENT

MASONICS, SOME SAY THAT IS

NOT TRUE.

BUT IT WAS THE UNDERLYING

SOURCE OF THE COMMUNIST

REVOLUTION -- THERE IS

SOME BAD SOURCE.

GUYS LIKE GEORGE

WASHINGTON WERE FREE

MASONS, BUT IN MY OPINION

I DON'T THINK IT IS

BIBLICAL.

I WOULD AVOID IT.

> WE LEAVE YOU WITH

TODAY'S POWER MINUTE FROM

2 CORINTHIANS: "FOR NO

MATTER HOW MANY PROMISES

GOD HAS MADE, THEY ARE YES

IN CHRIST."

> TOMORROW, UNDERCOVER

MYSTERIES HIDDEN INSIDE

THE ANCIENT CITY OF DAVID.

> FOR ALL OF US, THIS IS

PAT ROBERTSON AND TERRY

MEEUWSEN.

WE'LL SEE YOU TOMORROW.

BYE-BYE.

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