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The 700 Club - April 11, 2017

She’s a legend at “60 Minutes,” and now she’s embarking on her biggest role yet. Lesley Stahl reveals her new job and how it has transformed her life. Read Transcript


TODAY...SHE'S A LEGEND, BUT BEING A REPORTER ISN'T HER FAVORITE JOB. LESLIE STALL SHARES HOW A

DIFFERENT ROLE TRANSFORMED HER LIFE. PLUS... I JUST BEGAN TO WEEP.

Efrem: ...A 15 PASSENGER VAN CRASHED WITH A GROUP OF CHILDREN INSIDE.

THEY WERE BACK THERE HOLLERING AND SCREAMING. Efrem: WATCH AN EASTER MIRACLE UNFOLD.

I KNEW THAT HE CAN DO ANYTHING. Efrem: ON TODAY'S "700 CLUB."

Pat: WELL, IS IT JUST BLUSTER OR ARE WAR CLOUDS

REALLY GATHERING?

AFTER STRIKING SYRIA WITH TOMAHAWK MISSILES, COULD THE UNITED STATES BE GETTING READY FOR ANOTHER

SHOWDOWN? NOT IN THE MIDDLE EAST, BUT AGAINST THAT ROGUE NATION, NORTH KOREA.

Terry: THE NORTH WARNS IT WILL DEFEND ITSELF AFTER THE UNITED NATIONS SENT AN AIRCRAFT

CARRIER STRIKE TOWARDS THE PENINSULA. Charlene: NORTH KOREA SAYS IT WILL TAKE TOUGH

COUNTER MEASURES IF THE U.S. OPERATES FOR MILITARY ACTION, AFTER MOVING THE U.S.S. CARL VINSON TO THE

AREA. "WE WILL HOLD THE U.S.

WHOLLY ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE CATASTROPHIC CONSEQUENCES TO BE ENTAILED BY ITS OUTRAGEOUS ACTIONS," SAID

A SPOKESMAN FOR NORTH KOREA'S FOREIGN MINISTRY. AND THIS STATEMENT CAME ON NORTH KOREAN TELEVISION:

"THE UNITED NATIONS IS DISPATCHING CARL VINSON NUCLEAR CARRIER TASK GROUP

AGAIN IN THE WATERS OFF THE PENINSULA, PROVE THAT THE U.S.'S RECKLESS MOVES FOR INVADING NORTH KOREA

HAS REACHED A SERIES PHASE.

IT IS CRYING OUT FOR A

PREEMPTIVE ATTACK AND REMOVAL OF THEIR HEADQUARTERS. NORTH KOREA IS READY TO

REACT TO ANY MODE OF WAR DESIRED BY THE U.S.." REX TILLERSON SAID, "U.S. MISSILE STRIKES AGAINST A

SYRIAN AIR BASE IN RETALIATION FOR A CHEMICAL WEAPONS ATTACK ALSO CARRIES A MESSAGE FOR

OTHER COUNTRIES." I THINK THE MESSAGE ANY NATION CAN TAKE, IF YOU VIOLATE INTERNATIONAL

NORMS, IF YOU VIOLATE INTERNATIONAL AGREEMENTS, IF YOU FAIL TO LIVE UP TO COMMITMENTS, IF YOU BECOME

A THREAT TO OTHERS, AT SOME POINT A RESPONSE IS LIKELY TO BE UNDERTAKEN. I THINK IN TERMS OF NORTH

KOREA, WE'VE BEEN VERY

CLEAR THAT OUR OBJECTIVE IS A DENUCLEARIZED KOREAN PENINSULA. WE HAVE NO OBJECTIVE TO

CHANGE THE REGIME IN NORTH KOREA. Charlene: AND TILLERSON SHARED CONCERNS

ABOUT HOW CLOSE NORTH KOREA IS TO DEVELOPING NUCLEAR WEAPONS THAT COULD BE PUT ON MISSILES THAT

COULD REACH THE U.S. THE ASSESSMENTS ARE OBVIOUSLY SOMEWHAT DIFFICULT, BUT CLEARLY HE

HAS MADE SIGNIFICANT ADVANCEMENTS IN DELIVERY SYSTEMS, AND THAT IS WHAT CONCERNS US THE MOST.

Charlene: U.S. NAVY SHIPS ARE A COMMON

PRESENCE IN THE KOREAN REGION, AND ARE IN PART A SHOW OF FORCE. ON SATURDAY NIGHT, THE

PENTAGON SAID A STRIKE GROUP WAS MOVING TOWARDS THE PACIFIC OCEAN, TO PROVIDE MORE OF A PRESENCE

IN THE REGION. H.R. McMASTER CALLED THE MOVE TO SEND THE CARRIER GROUP A PRUDENT MEASURE TO

MAINTAIN READINESS AND PRESENCE IN THE WESTERN PACIFIC. CHARLENE AARON, CBN NEWS.

Pat: THE KOREANS, IT IS ALL BUST AND BLUSTER. THEY'RE A FAILED STATE. THEIR G.D.P. IS PATHETIC.

IT IS ABOUT $3 BILLION. THEY HAVE ALMOST NO MONEY. THEY'RE TOTALLY DEPENDENT ON CHINA FOR COAL AND OIL

AND VARIOUS SUPPLIES. THEIR PEOPLE ARE STARVING TO DEATH. IT IS JUST A PATHETIC

THING. THE QUESTION IS, THOSE PEOPLE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH POWER, ENOUGH PHYSICAL

STRENGTH TO OVERCOME THAT VICIOUS DICTATORSHIP THAT HAS BEEN IN EFFECT SINCE THE GRANDFATHER OF THE

CURRENT DICTATOR. THEY MAKE A LOT OF NOISE. BUT THE PROBLEM IS THEY DO HAVE NUCLEAR BOMBS.

AND THEY ARE BUILDING A DELIVERY SYSTEM, AND THEY ARE A DANGER BECAUSE THEY'RE CRAZY.

SO WE'VE TOLD THEM TALKING IS OVER. AND SOMETHING ELSE HAPPENED.

I CANNOT UNDERSTAND, MYSELF, WHY THE DEMOCRATS

MADE SUCH A FOOLISH MOVE IN RELATION TO THE SUPREME COURT NOMINATION OF NEIL GORSUCH.

I CAN'T UNDERSTAND IT.

HERE IS AN IDEAL PERSON, AND THEY DECIDED THEY WANTED TO FILIBUSTER HIM. AND WHAT THEY'VE DONE IS

IINCITE THE REPUBLICAN MAJOR TO INVOKE THE NUCLEAR OPTION. WHICH MEANS HENCE FORTH,

ANY SUPREME COURT NOMINEE THAT THE PRESIDENT PUTS FORWARD WILL GET THOSE VOTES.

ALL THEY NEED IS A SIMPLE MAJORITY. AND IF THE REPUBLICANS HOLD TOGETHER, WHICH

APPARENTLY THEY WILL, THAT

MEANS THE PRESIDENT MAY HAVE ANOTHER TWO MEMBERS OF THE SUPREME COURT, AND THE COMPOSITION OF THE

COURT WILL BE CHANGED FOR THE NEXT TWO DECADES, AT LEAST. THIS IS A MAJOR THING THAT

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. NOW, WHAT WAS DONE NOW ESSENTIALLY HAS RESTORED THE COURT'S BALANCE TO THE

SAME ONE WE HAD WITH SCALIA, WITH KENNEDY BEING

THE SWING VOTE. BUT PRESIDENT TRUMP SAYS NEIL GORSUCH WILL GO DOWN AS ONE OF THE TRULY GREAT

JUSTICES IN HISTORY, AFTER GORSUCH WAS SWORN IN TO THE SUPREME COURT IN TWO CEREMONIES ON MONDAY.

JOHN JESSUP LAS THAT. HAS THAT. John: THAT'S RIGHT, PAT.

NEIL GORSUCH TOOK HIS POSITION AS THE NEWEST JUSTICE ON THE SUPREME COURT AFTER TWO

CEREMONIES. FIRST A PRIVATE ONE AND THEN ANOTHER IN THE WHITE HOUSE ROSE GARDEN.

AND PRESIDENT TRUMP IS COUNTING THE APPOINTMENT AS A POLITICAL VICTORY. President Trump: THE

MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT A PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES DOES IS APPOINT PEOPLE TO THE UNITED

NATIONS SUPREME COURT. AND I GOT IT DONE IN THE FIRST 100 DAYS. THAT'S EVEN NICE.

I'M HUMBLED BY THE TRUST PLACED IN ME TODAY. I WILL NEVER FORGET THAT TO WHOM MUCH IS GIVEN,

MUCH WILL BE EXPECTED. John: GORSUCH'S APPOINTMENT COMES AFTER A BITTER PARTISAN FIGHT IN

WHICH MITCH McCONNELL INVOKED THE SO-CALLED NUCLEAR OPTION. HIS SWEARING INCOMES

NEARLY 14 MONTHS AFTER THE SEAT WAS LEFT VACANT WITH THE UNEXPECTEDED DEAT UNEXPECTED DEATH OF

JUSTICE ANTONIN SCALIA. PAT, BACK TO YOU. Pat: I WANT TO RESTATE, HARRY REID SET UP

THE NUCLEAR OPTION FOR DISTRICT COURT AND CIRCUIT COURT. SO ALL OF THE LOWER COURTS

OF THE FEDERAL SYSTEM ARE OPEN TO A SIMPLE MAJORITY TO APPROVE THEM BY THE

SENATE. THE ONE THING THEY HAD

LEFT OFF THE TABLE WAS THE

SUPREME COURT. THIS ACTION HAD JUST TAKEN PLACE BEFORE THIS VOTE WAS THE SUPREME COURT.

THEREFORE, ALL OF THE FEDERAL APPOINTEES, ALL OF THE JUDGES, ALL OF THE LOWER COURT JUDGES, ALL OF

THE TOP COURT JUDGES, THE REPUBLICAN MAJORITY, AND WITH A PRESIDENT IN THE

WHITE HOUSE, CAN PUT THEM IN OFFICE. THIS IS A MAJOR, MAJOR BREAKTHROUGH, AND ONE

WHICH SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN LIGHTLY. AND IT MEANS THAT THE CONTROL OF THE SENATE IS

NOW VITAL. > WELL, IT IS COMING UP ON EASTER, AND JOHN HAS A STORY ON THAT.

John: THAT'S RIGHT, PAT. EACH EASTER HONG KONG CHRISTIANS LOOK FOR WAYS

TO UNIFY THEIR CHURCHES. THIS YEAR THEY'RE HOSTING A RARE EXHIBIT CALLED "INSPIRED."

IT IS ANCIENT SKOAL SCROLLS AND ARTIFACTS THAT PROVE THE BIBLE'S AUTHENTICITY. Reporter: THIS IS A

REPLICA OF THE GUTENBURG PRESS, IT PRINTED THE FIRST BOOK IN EUROPE, WHICH IS THE BIBLE.

IT IS PRINTING THAT ABSOLUTELY ALLOWED THE

BIBLE TO BE DISTRIBUTED TO THE WHOLE WORLD. Reporter: RUSTY HAS BEEN MANUFACTURING

REPLICAS OF THE GUTENBURG

PRESS FOR THE PAST 25 YEARS. I WAS ABLE TO GET INTO THE SCHOOLS THAT WOULD

NOT, UNDER ORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES, ALLOW BIBLE ITEMS INTO THE SCHOOLS. THAT'S THE REASON FOR ME

BUILDING PRESSES AND KEEPING ONE, IS THAT IT GITS MGETSMY BIBLES INTO THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

Reporter: THE GUTENBURG PRESS IS AMONG THE 75 ITEMS ON DISPLAY. INCLUDED ARE MANUSCRIPTS

THAT TELL THE HISTORY OF THE BIBLE AND HOW IT WAS PRESERVED THROUGH TIME. PEOPLE NEED TO BE

AFFIRMED THAT THE BIBLE IS TRUE AND TRUSTWORTHY, AND THEY NEED TO BE INSPIRED BY ITS STORY OF ITS

PRESERVATION. PEOPLE SACRIFICING, OFTENTIMES, LIFE TO PRESERVE THE WORD.

THIS STORY IS INSPIRATIONAL AND BUILDS CONFIDENCE IN THE BIBLE. AND ULTIMATELY, WE HOPE,

WILL DRIVE PEOPLE TO A

DEEPER RELATIONSHIP WITH THE LORD THROUGH READING

SCRIPTURE. AND EVEN FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT BELIEVERS, CAUSE THEM TO CONSIDER THE

WONDERFUL EVIDENCE THAT WE HAVE FOR CHRISTIANITY. Reporter: THE "INSPIRED" EXHIBIT HAS

GIVEN THE CHURNS HERE IN HONG KONCHURCHES HERE INHONG KONG THE EVID ENCE THAT GOD'S WORD A TRUE. PEOPLE WILL KNOW THAT

GOD'S WORD IS INDESTRUCTABLE AND ALSO RELIABLE.

AND WE CAN TRUST OUR FUTURE INTO GOD'S HANDS. HOW THIS EXHIBIT WILL BENEFIT THE PEOPLE OF HONG

KONG IS IF WE AS CHRISTIANS COME, WE SEE IT, AND WE TAKE OUT INTO THE STREETS OF HONG KONG

THE FACT THAT OUR FAITH IS REAL AND AUTHENTIC. Reporter: GOD IS USING THIS EXHIBIT TO

PROMOTE HIS WORD TO DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE WORLD. NEXT IS ST. PETERSBURG AND

MOSCOW. LUCILLE TALUSAN, CBN NEWS, HONG KONG. John: THANKS,

LUCILLE. > WE HERE AT CBN ARE MOURNING THE LOSS OF A LONG TIME FRIEND AND

EMPLOY CLARK JULIAN. CLARK AND HIS WIFE, SALLY, WERE SHOT TO DEATH BY THEIR SON.

THE UNCLE TOLD THE VIRGINIA PILOT NEWSPAPER THAT STEVEN HAD STRUGGLED WITH MENTAL ILLNESS IN THE

PAST. BUT THE SHOOTINGS ARE STILL A MYSTERY. CLARK STARTED AT CBN IN

1991, AND WORKED HIS WAY UP THROUGH THE RANKS. CBN ISSUED A STATEMENT SAYING, "THE ENTIRE CBN

COMMUNITY IS REELING FROM THIS TRAGEDY. CLARK WAS A VALUED

EMPLOYEE FOR MANY YEARS AND WAS MUCH BELLOVE BELOVED BY HIS COLLEAGUES HERE, AND WE OFFER CONDOLENCES TO

EVERYONE IN HIS FAMILY." Pat: WE ARE TRYING TO GET SOME INFORMATION. UNFORTUNATELY, HE WAS

UNDER PSYCHIATRIC CARE AT ONE TIME, BUT WE DON'T

KNOW WHAT TREATMENT HE WAS RECEIVING BECAUSE ALL OF THIS STUFF IS CONFIDENTIAL.

SOONER OR LATER IT WILL COME OUT. THE THING THAT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT IS SO MANY

OF THESE SENSELESS SHOOTINGS, THESE RAMPAGES THAT WE FIND, LIKE AT VIRGINIA TECH AND OTHER

PLACES, THE SHOOTERS WERE ON SOME KIND OF PSYCHEDELIC, PSYCHOTIC -- OR WHATEVER KIND OF

MEDICATION YOU WANT TO CALL IT. BUT THEY'RE GIVING THAT STUFF, IN A SENSE,

INDISCRIMINATELY. PAXAL AND OTHERS BECOME HOUSEHOLD NAMES. MANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO

TAKE THEM HAVE PSYCHOTIC EPISODES THAT LEAD TO MASS SLAYINGS OF THEIR FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS.

IN PI MY OPINION, THERE HAS NOT BEEN NEAR ENOUGH

RESEARCH DONE TO DETERMINE THE CAUSES OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS TRAGIC SHOOTING

OF THIS VALUED, LONG TIME EMPLOYEE WHO'S 23-YEAR-OLD SON WAS A MEDICAL TECH AT WE'VE GOT TO GET THE

MEDICAL RECORDS. WE CAN'T GET THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE SEALED. I'M SURE A GRAND JURY

COULD GET THEM. A COURT ORDER COULD GET THEM. AND WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS

TO THAT. ALL RIGHT. TERRY? Terry: WELL, COMING

UP, YOU KNOW HER AS LESLIE STAAL, BUT HER GRANDCHILDREN KNOW HER AT LALE.

SHE JOINS US TO TALK ABOUT

THE BEST JOB SHE EVER HAD,

Pat: WELL, WELCOME BACK. I DON'T THINK I'M BRAGGING TO TELL YOU THAT I HAVE 15

GRANDCHILDREN. AND I JUST RECENTLY HAD MY 10th GREAT GRANDCHILD, SO I BELIEVE IN A LOT OF

LITTLE CHILDREN RUNNING AROUND. THEY'RE THE MOST PRECIOUS THING.

PEOPLE WHO HAVE HAD THAT EXPERIENCE CAN TELL YOU FEW THINGS IN LIFE COMPARE TO BEING A GRANDPARENT.

OUR NEXT GUEST IS GOING TO SHARE HER PERSONAL

EXPERIENCE WITH US. HE IS AN AWARD-WINNING

JOURNALIST WHO IS ENJOYING A NEW CHAPTER IN HER LIFE CALLED, QUOTE, "BECOMING GRANDMA."

WALTER, I'M JUST BEING CALLED BY A HIGH

LIEUTENANT. Charlene: YOU KNOW HER AS A 40-YEAR VETERAN OF CBS NEWS.

LESLIE STAAL HAS BEEN EVERYTHING FROM WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT TO INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER FOR

THE LONG-RUNNING NEWS PROGRAM "60 MINUTES." BUT SHE SAYS THE MOST VIVID AND TRANSFORMATIVE

EXPERIENCE OF HER LIFE DIDN'T HAPPEN TO LESLIE THE JOURNALIST.

IT HAPPENED WHEN LESLIE BECAME A GRANDMOTHER. SHE SAYS SHE WAS HIT WITH A JOLT OF JOY SO INTENSE

AND UNEXPECTED, SHE WANTED TO INVESTIGATE IT. SO SHE DID. AND SHE WROTE A BOOK ABOUT

IT CALLED, "BECOMING GRANDMA: THE JOYS AND SCIENCE OF THE NEW GRANDPARENTING."

Pat: SHE IS CHARMING AND LOVELY. YOU'VE SEEN HER ON "60 MINUTES."

I CAN'T THINK OF LESLIE STAAL AS BEING A GRANDMA. GREAT TO HAVE YOU WITH US. I CAN'T BELIEVE YOUR A

GREAT GRANDPA. Pat: 10 AND ONE MORE COMING. AND MY WIFE SAID, I THINK

THERE IS ONLY NINE. AND I SAID, YOU'RE FORGETTING ANNABELLE. AND SHE SAID, OH, YEAH.

I FIND THAT GRANDPARENTS TODAY ARE NOT GRANDPARENTS. THEY LOOK YOUNGER AND HAVE

A LOT OF ENERGY.

AND THE GRANDPARENTS AND GREAT GRANDPARENTS -- THERE ARE SO MANY NOW. Pat: I HAD A LITTLE

STRUGGLE WITH MY SON -- MY SON HAD CHILDREN, MANY OF THEM, AND THEN THEY STARTED HAVING CHILDREN.

AND HE WAS GRANDPA, AND SO I SAID, WHAT AM I? WELL, WE'LL CALL YOU BIG DADDY.

BIG DADDY.

THAT'S GOOD. Pat: TELL ME, IN YOUR FAMILY, WHO WAS IT, YOUR SON OR DAUGHTER WHO HAD

THE CHILDREN THAT YOU BECAME THE GRANDMOTHER OF? I HAVE ONE CHILD, A DAUGHTER.

AND SHE -- ACTUALLY, I THOUGHT I HAD GIVEN HER THE PERFECT CHILDHOOD AS AN ONLY CHILD.

WHEN SHE TOLD ME SHE WAS GOING TO HAVE TWO, I SAID, WELL, WAIT A MINUTE. WAIT A MINUTE.

AND IT'S WONDERFUL. THE SECOND ONE COMES ALONG, AND YOU THINK, AM I GOING TO LOVE THAT ONE AS

MUCH, AND YOU DO. IT'S THE SAME ALL OVER AGAIN.

Pat: YOU SAID SOMETHING IN YOUR BOOK THAT MEN, APPARENTLY, THEIR HORMONES CHANGE WHEN

THE LITTLE BABIES COME ON THE SCENE. I LOOKED INTO THE BIOCHEM STRE.

BIOCHEMISTRY. THE GRANDMA HAS COMPLETE HORMONE CHANGES. SHE IS DOUSED WITH THIS

HORMONE THAT IS A BONDING HORMONE AND SHE IS ATTACHED TO THE BABY PHYSICALLY.

THE FATHER ALSO HAS HORMONE CHANGES. THE FATHER -- MEN DON'T WANT TO KNOW THIS, BUT

THEY START GETTING A LITTLE EST JEN.

ESTROGEN. Pat: THEY GET FEMININE? NOT FEMININE, BUT THEY

GET NESTED. THEY FOCUS ON THE NEST.

AND OUR BODY IS A MIRACLE BECAUSE WE CHANGE SO MUCH TO ACCOMMODATE THE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE BABIES.

Pat: WHAT DID IT DO TO YOU WHEN YOU HELD THAT LITTLE GRANDBABY FOR THE FIRST TIME?

IT WAS TITANIC. THE EMOTION, THE CONNECTION, THE PHYSICAL BONDING WAS ENORMOUS.

BEFORE I FOUND OUT IT WAS CHEMICAL, I WAS CONFUSED BECAUSE IT WAS SO INTENSE AND SO DEEP.

HERE IS WHAT I FOUND -- I WONDERED IF IT WAS JUST

ME, AND I'M ALL BY MYSELF HERE, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I WROTE THE BOOK.

I FOUND OUT THAT MOST GRANDMOTHERS -- NOT ALL, BUT MOST GRANDMOTHERS HAVE THIS.

WE ARE JUST SENT INTO ECSTASY OVER OUR GRANDCHILDREN. AND HERE IS SOMETHING

ELSE, PAT, THAT I FOUND OUT. THIS IS NOT RIGHT OR LEFT OR EAST COAST OR WEST

COAST. IT IS NOT RELATED TO ANYTHING BUT BEING A HUMAN BEING.

IT'S UNIVERSAL.

GRANDPARENT LOVE, IT IS UNIVERSAL. AND YOU CAN RELATE TO ANOTHER HUMAN BEING IF

YOU'RE A GRANDPARENT AND THEY'RE A GRANDPARENT. Pat: LET ME ASK YOU -- I DON'T WANT TO GET

NEGATIVE ON IT, BUT YOU'VE GOT A DAUGHTER, AND SHE'S YOURS.

THE LINE COMES FROM YOU TO HER TO THE LITTLE BABY. BUT THERE IS A HUSBAND IN THERE.

AND YOU'RE A GRANDPARENT, AND THE BABY BEGINS TO BOND TO YOU. WHAT ABOUT HIM?

DOES HE RESENT YOU? DOES HE LOVE YOU AND BRING YOU IN? HOW DOES THAT WORK?

WELL, THE GRANDMOTHER -- THIS IS ALL GENERAL. GENERALLY THE GRANDMOTHER

FEELS THAT CONNECTION TO THE BABY RIGHT AWAY, FROM THE MINUTE SHE TOUCHES THAT CHILD.

THE GRANDFATHER, HE HAS A LITTLE BEAT. HE NEEDS TO SEE THE BABY RELATING BACK, USUALLY.

SO THE BABY MIGHT BE THREE MONTHS OLD, FOUR MONTHS OLD, AND ONE DAY THE BABY LOOKS RIGHT INTO THE

GRANDFATHER'S EYES, AND HE IS TOTALLY HOOKED. HE IS JUST LIKE THE GRANGRANDMOTHER.

SOMETIMES EVEN MORE THAN THE GRANDMOTHER. THEY ARE DEFINITELY IN THIS TOGETHER, GRANDMA AND

GRANDPA. AND THE OTHER THING I FOUND IS THAT STEP GRANDPARENTS CAN FEEL

EXACTLY THE SAME CONNECTION. Pat: WELL, NOW, A STEP -- GO THROUGH THE

PROCESS OF GETTING TO BE A STEP GRANDPA. WHO IS THAT? A SECOND MARRIAGE, AND

MAYBE YOU'RE MARRYING A WOMAN WHO'S DAUGHTER GETS PREGNANT. AND THE DAUGHTER HAS A

CHILD, AND THIS HUSBAND IS THERE AT THE BEGINNING AND HAS THE SAME CONNECTIONS THAT THE BIOLOGICAL

GRANDFATHER HAS. Pat: THIS CUTS ACROSS RACIAL, ETHNIC LINES? OH, THIS IS TOTALLY

UNIVERSAL. YOU CAN GO TO THE MOST PRIMITIVE SOCIETY IN INDIA, CHINA -- YOU CAN GO

ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD, AND GRANDPARENTS ARE ALL WALKING AROUND MADLY IN LOVE WITH THEIR

GRANDCHILDREN. Pat: IT'S AMAZING. IT IS AMAZING. YOU CAN TALK -- IF YOU

MEET ANOTHER GRANDPARENT, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT WALK OF LIFE, YOU'RE ALREADY IN A COMMUNITY AND

FEELING THESE EMOTIONS. Pat: THAT'S BEAUTIFUL. AGAIN, I'VE ENCOUNTERED

PARENTS THAT WANTED TO CUT THE GRANDPARENTS OUT. TALK ABOUT THAT. YOU SEE THIS?

Pat: ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY. THIS IS THE MOST PAINFUL THING I DISCOVERED

WHEN I WROTE THIS BOOK, THAT THERE ARE ACTUALLY GRANDPARENTS WHO ARE NOT ALLOWED TO SEE THEIR OWN

GRANDCHILDREN. THEY ARE DENIED ACCESS. AND THESE POOR GRANDPARENTS, THEY HAVE NO

IDEA WHAT THEY DID. IF THEY WERE REAL SERIOUS ABUSERS, IT'S UNDERSTANDABLE.

BUT THESE ARE GRANDPARENTS WHO RAISED TERRIFIC KIDS, AND THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT HAS HAPPENED.

Pat: WHY IS THAT? WELL, THERE ARE MANY REASONS, AND NONE OF THEM SOUNDED GOOD TO ME.

Pat: IT IS HEART-WRENCHING. IT IS HEART-WRENCHING, AND IT IS NOT GOOD FOR THE

CHILDREN. THOSE PARENTS ARE NOT PUTTING THEIR CHILDREN FIRST BECAUSE CHILDREN

NEED THEIR GRANDPARENTS. Pat: I FOUND THAT WITH MY GRANDCHILDREN. THEY HAVE TWO SETS OF

LIVING GRANDPARENTS, AND IT IS THE MOST STABILIZING THING FOR THEM, TO KNOW THEY'RE PART OF A FAMILY,

AND THAT THEIR A AN ANCESTORS ARE STILL ALIVE. GRANDPA'S JOB, HIS ROLE IN LIFE, IS TO DO WHAT YOU

JUST SAID: GIVE THE GRANDCHILD A SENSE OF FAMILY. A SENSE OF CONNECTEDNESS.

A SENSE OF HISTORY. THERE HAVE BEEN VERY FEW STUDIES ABOUT THIS, BUT THE FEW HAVE SHOWN THAT

CHILDREN WHO ARE CONNECTED

TO THEIR GRANDPARENTS DO BETTER IN SCHOOL. THEY DON'T ACT UP AS MUCH. THEY'RE JUST STABLER.

IT IS BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU SAID, THEY HAVE A SENSE OF THEIR OWN HISTORY. A SENSE THAT THEY COME

FROM SOMETHING AND THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SOMETHING. Pat: HOW DO YOU

INSTILL THAT IN YOUR GRANDCHILD?

WELL, OUR JOB, GRANDMOTHERS AND

GRANDFATHERS -- WE HAVE ONLY ONE JOB: LOVE THEM.

THAT'S IT. WE DON'T HAVE TO TEACH THEM TABLE MANNERS. JUST LOVE THEM.

Pat: I HAVE CHANGED A DIRTY DIAPER FOR ONE OF OUR GRANDCHILDREN, AND IT ISN'T A GRANDFATHERLY

TASK, TRUST ME. BUT I CAN DO IT. I FUMBLED WITH THE TASK, BUT I CAN DO IT.

DID YOU HAVE TO DO THAT? OF COURSE YOU DID?

OF COURSE. BABY-SITTING IS, FOR ME, THE GREATEST JOY. OF COURSE WHEN THEY DON'T

STOP CRYING, IT GETS A LITTLE FRUSTRATING, BUT I LIVE TO BABY-SIT. I LIVE TO BE WITH MY

GRANDCHILDREN. I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THEM. Pat: HOW DO YOU HANDLE YOUR JOB, OR IS

YOUR JOB TAKING SECOND PLACE IN THIS GREATER SCHEME OF THINGS? IF YOU WERE TO STUDY

ME, YOU WOULD SEE THAT MORE AND MORE AND MORE OF MY STORIES TAKE PLACE IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, WHERE

MY GRANDCHILDREN LIVE. SO I GET THERE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. AND THERE IS THIS

MOVEMENT, BY THE WAY, PAT, WHEN PEOPLE RETIRE TODAY, MORE AND MORE ARE PICKING UP SELLING THE HOUSE

THEY'VE LIVED IN FOR 40 YEARS AND MOVING TO BE IN THEIR GRANDCHILDREN'S LIVES.

Pat: AND THE GRANDCHILDREN WELCOME THAT?

THE GRANDCHILDREN WELCOME IT. AND THE YOUNG PARENTS, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, MORE

THAN THAN IN THE PAST SEVERAL GENERATIONS, NEED

OUR HELP BECAUSE CHILD CARE IS ABSURDLY EXPENSIVE, OUTRAGEOUSLY EXPENSIVE.

AND THEY NEED US. AND THEY NEED US FOR THE BABY-SITTING, BUT THEY ALSO NEED OUR MONEY.

THEY NEED OUR HELP FINANCIALLY. Pat: AND IT ALSO DOESN'T COME WITH AN

INSTRUCTION MANUAL. NO, NO MANUALS. YOU'RE OUT THERE BLIND. BUT MY BOOK IS A LITTLE

BIT OF A HELP. Pat: I READ THIS BOOK AND IT IS KIND OF LIKE A COMPENDIUM.

YOU'VE GOT ALL KINDS OF THINGS IN THERE. IT IS LIKE A "60 MINUTES" INVESTIGATION.

WHAT IS GOING ON HERE? WHAT IS OUR ROLE? WHAT IS HAPPENING BETWEEN GRANDPARENTS AND THEIR

CHILDREN. I THINK WE'RE HAVING, GENERALLY AGAIN, BETTER RELATIONSHIPS, GRANDPARENT

TO CHILD THAN EARLIER GENERATIONS AND MAINLY BECAUSE THEY NEED US MORE. Pat: I LOVE IT.

I'LL TELL YOU, I WAS WITH MY GREAT GRANDDAUGHTER, LITTLE ANNABELLE, AND SHE PUT ONE OF THE WETTEST,

SLOPPIESSLOPPIEST KISSES ON MY

CHEEK, IT WAS SO SWEET. WE LIVE FOR THIS. YOU CAN'T TELL ANOTHER PERSON.

YOU HAVE TO LIVE IT TO UNDERSTAND THE DEPTH OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. Pat: HOW DO THEY GET

THE BOOK? YOU CAN GET IT IN YOUR LOCAL BOOKSTORE. YOU CAN GET IT ON AMAZON.

YOU CAN GET IT ON YOUR KINDLE. AND YOU CAN GET THE AUDIO. Pat: IT IS FANTASTIC.

LESLIE, YOU'RE TREMENDOUS. I USUALLY INTERVIEW YOU. THIS IS VERY STRANGE.

Pat: I KNOW. IT'S A DIFFERENT ROLE, BUT I'M ENJOYING IT IMMENSELY. WELL, ME, TOO.

Pat: THANK YOU FOR THIS BOOK. LESLIE STAAL, "BECOMING GRANDMA."

THERE ARE SO MANY GRANDPARENTS AND GREAT GRANDPARENTS. IT IS LIKE A FEMALE DR.

SPOCK. IT WILL TELL YOU EVERYTHING ABOUT HOW TO BE

A GOOD GRANDPARENT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. HERE'S TERRY. Terry: I LOVE YOUR

GRANDMA NAME, LESLIE, LALE -- IT'S AWESOME. > COMING UP, YOU'RE GOING TO WITNESS WHAT HAS

BEEN CALLED THE MARTIN MIRACLE AFTER A CHURCH VAN

FULL OF CHILDREN WAS HIT BY A DRUNK DRIVER. I'LL NEVER, EVER FORGET WHAT I SAW.

THE VAN IS OVER IN A DITCH, BROKEN GLASS, AND PARTS OF THE VAN ALL OVER THE ROAD.

I THOUGHT SOMEBODY HAD DIED. Terry: SEE HOW THAT CRASH BECAME CAUSE FOR

CELEBRATION, JUST IN TIME FOR EASTER. FOR EASTER. Terry: PASTOR RONNIE

TURNER HAD TO MAKE A FEW CHANGES TO HIS EASTER SERMON TWO YEARS AGO. HE OPENED WITH THE STORY

OF THE EMPTY TOMB, AND HE

TOLD THE CONGREGATION THAT, QUOTE, "GOD DID SOMETHING THERE THAT ONLY

GOD CAN DO." THEN PASTOR TURNER SAID, GOD IS STILL DOING THOSE THINGS, AND HE POINTED TO

THE PREVIOUS PALM SUNDAY, AFTER A VAN FROM HIS CHURCH, FILLED WITH CHILDREN, WAS HIT BY A

DRUNK DRIVER. SO I GET TO THE ACCIDENT SITE, AND I'LL NEVER, EVER FORGET WHAT I

SAW. THE VAN IS OVER IN A DITCH. IT'S ALL TORN IN, BASHED

IN. AND I JUST BEGIN TO WEEP. Reporter: RONNIE TURNER PASTORS A CHURCH IN

THE SMALL TOWN OF MARTIN, GEORGIA. FOR YEARS HE HAS TRUSTED AUDREY KOWELLS WITH THE

VAN MINISTRY. WHEN SOMEBODY WANTS TO COME TO CHURCH, YOU'RE GOING TO TRY TO MAKE A

WAY. THIS IS A GOOD PLACE TO COME TO SERVE GOD. Reporter: THE WEEK

BEFORE EASTER 2015, AUDREY DROVE A VAN FULL OF CHILDREN HOME FROM CHURCH WHEN THEY WERE HIT BY A

DRUNK DRIVER. WE START FLIPPING -- FLIPPING, I GUESS IT HAD TO BE TWO OR THREE TIMES

OR MORE.

THE ONLY THING I COULD SAY IS, LORD, WHEN IS THIS GOING TO STOP. AND IT IS JUST LANDING

PERFECTLY IN THE GRASS, ALL THE WAY ON THE OTHER

SIDE OF THE ROAD. Reporter: ONE CHILD HAD BEEN EJECTED FROM THE VEHICLE AS IT ROLLED.

HER CONDITION AND THE CONDITION OF THE OTHERS WAS UNKNOWN. SHE WAS OUT THE WINDOW,

UNDER THE TIRE.

EVERYTHING WAS CRASHED. ALL OF THE WINDOWS WAS BUSTED OUT. IS THE KIDS ALL RIGHT?

THEY WERE BACK THERE HOLLERING AND SCREAMING, AND I TOLD THEM TO CALM DOWN, EVERYTHING WAS GOING

TO BE ALL RIGHT.

I COULDN'T SEE NO BLOOD. BUT I WAS JUST PRAYING THAT EVERYTHING WAS GOING TO BE ALL RIGHT.

Reporter: MEANWHILE, PASTOR RONNIE GOT A CALL ABOUT THE CRASH. HE RACED TO THE SCENE AND

SAW THE WRECKED VAN. I CAN BARELY SEE PART OF IT, BUT I CAN SEE IT IS CAVED IN.

THE ROOF IS PRESSED DOWN. BROKEN GLASS, AND PARTS OF THE TRUCK AND PARTS OF THE VAN ALL OVER THE ROAD.

IT REALLY LOOKED TERRIBLE. I THOUGHT SOMEBODY HAD DIED. OUR SHERIFF WAS THERE, AND

HE TOLD ME THEY HAD ALREADY AIRLIFTED SOME TO OTHER HOSPITALS OUT OF TOWN.

Reporter: ONE HELICOPTER WAS STILL AT THE SCENE, WITH A LITTLE GIRL INSIDE.

AND SO I WALKED UP TO LOOK INTO THAT HELICOPTER.

AND I SPOKE TO THE LITTLE GIRL AND CALLED HER BY NAME, AND REACHED UP AND PUT MY HAND ON HER AND

PRAYED WITH HER AND TOLD HER EVERYTHING WAS GOING TO BE OKAY. AND THAT WAS TRAUMATIC.

I DIDN'T KNOW IF SHE WAS GOING TO LIVE. Reporter: SOON AFTER PASTOR RONNIE GATHERED THE

CHURCH DEACONS TOGETHER TO PRAY. ALL I HAD WERE A LOT OF

UNKNOWNS. I KNEW THERE WERE INJURIES.

I DIDN'T KNOW HOW MANY WERE LIFE-THREATENING. AND WE JUST PRAYED. WE JUST PRAYED.

Reporter: LATER THAT DAY AND INTO THE NEXT, INFORMATION ABOUT THE CONDITION OF THE CHILDREN

WAS RELEASED. BY THE NEXT DAY, EVERYBODY HAD BEEN RELEASED FROM THE

HOSPITAL. EVERYBODY HAD GONE HOME. WE HAD A BROKEN FINGER. AND WE HAD A BROKEN ARM.

THAT WAS THE SEVERITY OF THE INJURIES. THE ONLY WAY I CAN SEE IT IS THAT IT WAS DIVINE

PROTECTION. THERE WERE PEOPLE THAT SHOULD HAVE DIED THERE.

THAT DAY I KNEW THERE WAS A GOD. I KNEW THAT HE CAN DO ANYTHING.

GOD, YOU KNOW, HE HAD IT. HE HAD EVERYTHING IN HIS HANDS. AND IF YOU GOT GOD ON YOUR

SIDE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ANYTHING. BECAUSE HE IS GOING TO TAKE CARE OF IT.

Reporter: JUST A WEEK AFTER THE CRASH, THE CHURCH CELEBRATED EASTER WITH THEIR ANNUAL

CHILDREN'S PRODUCTION.

WE CALL IT "THE MARTIN MIRACLE." AND THAT'S WHAT IT IS. GOD GETS ALL OF THE

CREDIT. TO HIM BE ALL OF THE GLORY AND THE PRAISE. ALL OF THE CHILDREN THAT

WERE IN THE VAN, PLUS OUR OTHER CHILDREN IN THE CHILDREN'S CHOIR, WERE RIGHT UP HERE ON THIS

STAGE, SINGING FOR JESUS. AMAZING. AND THEIR PARENTS WERE HERE, AND FAMILY WAS HERE.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CELEBRATING. IT WAS A WONDERFUL TIME. WE CRIED.

WE JUST THANKED THE LORD. IT WAS BEAUTIFUL. Terry: CAN YOU IMAGINE?

THAT WAS A MIRACLE, AN ABSOLUTE MIRACLE. WE HAVE SOME OTHERS WE WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH

YOU BEFORE WE PRAY FOR YOU AND YOUR NEEDS TODAY. THIS IS PHYLLIS, WHO LIVES IN NORTH CAROLINA, AND SHE

SUFFERED WITH CONSTANT DIZZINESS AND STUMBLING FOR 28 YEARS. SHE WAS WATCHING THIS

PROGRAM ON FEBRUARY 1st THIS YEAR WHEN SHE HEARD YOU, PAT, GIVE THIS WORD OF KNOWLEDGE: OH, THE

DIZZINESS IS BAD, THE VERTIGO, AND YOU'VE BEEN CRYING OUT TO GOD, PLEASE HELP ME.

RIGHT NOW THAT INNER EAR IS BEING HEALED IN THE NAME OF JESUS." PHYLLIS CLAIMED THAT WORD

IMMEDIATELY. THE HEAVINESS AND THE PRESSURE AND CONSTANT SENSATION OF MOTION WERE

GONE. SHE HAS NOT HAD A PROBLEM SINCE THAT DAY, AFTER 28 YEARS.

PRAISE GOD. Pat: THAT'S WONDERFUL. HERE IS ANOTHER ONE.

11-YEAR-OLD STEPHANIE FROM VANCOUVER, BRITISH COLUMBIA, WAS SUFFERING FROM A CLOGGED EAR FROM AN

EEAR INFECTION. THEY WERE WATCHING ONE DAY AND THEY HEARD YOU, TERRY, SAY, "YOUR LEFT EAR IS

STOPPED UP AND YOU HAVE TROUBLE HEARING. THIS IS JUST OPENING NOW IN JESUS' NAME."

STEPHANIE AND HER MOM BOTH SAID, THAT'S US. AND WITHIN 24 HOURS THAT SWEET 11-YEAR-OLD,

STEPHANIE, WAS COMPLETELY

HEALED. Terry: WOW, GOD IS GOOD.

Pat: FOLKS, WE WANT TO PRAY FOR YOU. THERE ARE SOME TRAGEDIES AND SOME GOOD TIMES.

WE'RE COMING UP ON EASTER, THE TIME WE CELEBRATE THE RESURRECTION OF EASTER. TERRY AND I ARE GOING TO

JOIN TOGETHER AND WE'RE GOING TO PRAY. FATHER, WE THANK YOU. TOGETHER WE THANK YOU.

LORD, WE WORSHIP YOU. WE OFFER TO YOU THE PRAISE OF THANKSGIVING. WE GIVE YOU AN OFFERING OF

THANKSGIVING AND PRAISE. THANK YOU, LORD. THANK YOU, LORD. SOMEBODY HAS GOT A LEFT

FOOT, IT'S TWISTED IN AND SORT OF DRAGGED AND CRIPPLED.

AT THIS MOMENT, THE POWER OF GOD IS GOING THROUGH THAT WHOLE JOINT. GOING THROUGH YOUR LEG,

YOUR KNEE, YOUR HIP, AND ALL THE WAY OUT INTO YOUR FOOT. IT IS STRAIGHTENING UP

NOW, AND YOU WILL PLANT YOUR FOOT SOLID IN THE NAME OF JESUS. TOUCH!

Terry: THERE IS SOMEONE ELSE, AND THIS IS GOING TO SURPRISE YOU BECAUSE YOU'VE HAD THIS

PROBLEM SINCE YOU WERE A CHILD. YOU'RE A STUTTERER, AND YOU JUST LEARNED TO LIVE

WITH IT.

BUT TODAY YOU ARE SET FREE FROM THAT, AND YOU CAN SPEAK CLEARLY IN JESUS' NAME.

Pat: THANK YOU, LORD. THANK YOU, LORD. THE LORD IS SETTING YOU FREE.

YOU'VE BEEN SAYING, LORD, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I CAN DO, MY LIFE IS UNFOCUSED. AND GOD SAID, RIGHT NOW

YOUR LIFE IS FOCUSED. I'M GIVING YOU LASER FOCUS IN JESUS' NAME. Terry: THERE IS

SOMEONE ELSE, YOU HAVE A BLOCKAGE IN YOUR HEART, AND YOU'RE DUE FOR SURGERY.

GOD IS OPENING THAT NOW. YOUR ENERGY IS BACK. AND YOU HAVE BEEN MADE WHOLE IN JESUS' NAME.

Pat: RECEIVE IT IN JESUS' NAME. AMEN. AND BY THE WAY, FOLKS, ON

THURSDAY WE'RE GOING TO BE CELEBRATING ON THIS PROGRAM WHAT WE CALL MAUNDY THURSDAY.

THAT, I MUST SAY, IS A LITTLE TRADITION I GOT FROM MY WIFE. YOU DID THAT, DIDN'T YOU?

Terry: I DID. AND REALLY IT MADE HOLY WEEK A VERY SPECIAL TIME. Pat: WE USED TO HAVE

COMMUNION ON GOOD FRIDAY. AND MY WIFE SAID, YOU DON'T DO THAT ON GOOD FRIDAY.

THAT'S THE DAY YOU ARE FASTING AND MOURNING UNTIL THE RESURRECTION. SO WE'LL DO IT ON MAUNDY.

THE LAST SUPPER WAS ON THE DAY BEFORE THE CRUCIFIXION. SO WE'LL HAVE COMMUNION.

AND WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE BREAD AND A LITTLE JUICE. IF YOU WANT TO JOIN WITH US, I TELL YOU IN ADVANCE

TO GET READY. I THINK IT WILL BE VERY MEANINGFUL FOR YOU. THAT'S ON THURSDAY OF THIS

WEEK. SO PRAISE THE LORD. Terry: AMEN. STILL AHEAD, A MAN PRAYS

DESPERATELY FOR A DIFFERENT JOB. AND THEN I HEARD SOMEONE TELL ME, YOU'RE

GOING TO OPEN UP A RESTAURANT. I SAID, NO, I AM NOT OPENING UP A RESTAURANT.

IT'S TOO HARD. I AIN'T GONNA DO IT. Terry: WATCH THIS MAN EAT THOSE WORDS IN HIS NEW

RESTAURANT. [LAUGHTER]

Efrem: AND WELCOME BACK TO "THE 700 CLUB." UNITED AIRLINES IS ONCE AGAIN UNDER FIRE AFTER A

MAN WAS DRAGGED FROM HIS SEAT OFF A FLIGHT AT CHICAGO'S O'HARE INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT.

THE AIRLINE IS BEING THREATENED WITH A BOYCOTT FROM PASSENGERS AFTER THE VIDEO WENT VIRAL.

THE C.E.O. OF UNITED AIRLINES IS DEFENDING HIS EMPLOYEES SAYING THEY WERE JUST DOING THEIR JOB,

DEALING WITH THE SITUATION. HOWEVER, THE SECURITY OFFICER WHO PULLED THE MAN

OFF THE PLANE HAS NOW BEEN SUSPENDED. THIS IS THE SECOND P.R. CRISIS FOR THE AIRLINES IN

LESS THAN A MONTH.

THE FIRST CAME AFTER TWO WOMEN WERE KICKED OFF A

FLIGHT FOR WEARING LEGGINGS. > A SWEDISH ATTORNEY SAYS THE DRIVER OF A

STOLEN TRUCK SUSPECTED OF CRASHING INTO A CROWD IN CENTRAL STOCKHOLM HAS ADMITTED GUILT IN THE

TERRORIST ATTACK. FOUR PEOPLE WERE KILLED

AND 15 WOUNDED. HE DROVE THE STOLEN BEER TRUCK INTO A CROWD OUTSIDE AN UPSCALE DEPARTMENT

STORE LAST FRIDAY. HE WAS DETAINED BY POLICE FOR HOURS LATER AND ARRESTED EARLY SATURDAY.

THE LOWER SAYS THAT HE, QUOTE, "ACKNOWLEDGES THE TERRORIST CHARGE AND AGREES TO BE ARRESTED."

REMEMBER, YOU CAN ALWAYS GET THE LATEST FROM CBN NEWS BY GOING TO OUR WEBSITE AT cbnnews.com.

PAT AND TERRY ARE BACK WITH MUCH MORE OF "THE 700 CLUB." IT IS COMING UP RIGHT

AFTER THIS.

Pat: I'VE GOT A

WARNING FOR YOU: DON DON'T GO INTO THE RESTAURANT BUSINESS. Terry: IT'S LIKE

BUYING A BOAT. Pat: 80% OF ALL RESTAURANT START-UPS WILL FAIL IN THE FIRST FEW

YEARS. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED TO FERNANDO'S FIRST EATERY.

BUT TODAY HE IS RUNNING A DIFFERENT CAFE, AND TODAY HIS RESTAURANT IS BOOMING. Reporter: FERNANDO

WAS IN HIS EARLY 30s WHEN HIS RESTAURANT VENTURE FAILED AND HE AND HIS WIFE, KATHRYN,

DECLARED BANKRUPTCY. LOOKING BACK NOW, HE SAYS HE KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED. I WAS ALWAYS, I'LL DO

IT MYSELF, I'LL DO IT MYSELF, NEVER INCLUDING GOD IN IT. Reporter: THEY DIDN'T

GO TO CHURCH AND HELD TIGHTLY TO THEIR MONEY. WE WERE RAISED POOR, YOU KNOW.

SO EVERY LITTLE PENNY, TO ME, WAS IN MY POCKET AND NOBODY ELSE'S POCKET. I WANTED TO KEEP THAT

MONEY.

Reporter: FERNANDO STARTED WORKING IN CORRECTIONS. THE COUPLE GOT SERIOUS

ABOUT GOD, WENT BACK TO CHURCH, AND SOON BEGAN TO TITHE. IT IS THE BASIS OF

WALKING WITH THE LORD. WHATEVER AMOUNT I WAS TITHING TO THE CHURCH, HE BLESSED ME WITH ANOTHER

OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE MORE MONEY. Reporter: AFTER YEARS OF WORKING THE GRAVEYARD

SHIFT AT THE PRISON, PERN NAFERNANDO STARTED TO BURN OUT AND WAS PRAYING FOR A CHANGE.

LORD, I KNOW YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING BETTER FOR ME. AND I HEARD SOMEONE TELL ME, YOU'RE GOING TO OPEN

UP A RESTAURANT. AND I TURNED AROUND TO SEE WHO ELSE WAS IN THE OFFICE WITH ME, BUT IT WAS JUST

ME. I SAID, NO, I'M NOT OPENING UP A RESTAURANT. WE DID THIS ALREADY.

IT'S TOO HARD. I AIN'T GONNA DO IT. HERE I AM, A COUPLE MONTHS GO BY AGAIN, AND NOW I'M

FEELING REALLY -- I'M STARTED TO FEEL BURNED OUT, STRESSED OUT, AND I SAID, GOD, YOU'VE GOT TO

DO SOMETHING HERE.

AND JUST LIKE HE DID THE FIRST TIME, HE CAME UP TO ME, WHISPERED IN MY EAR, I ALREADY TOLD YOU.

WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR? HIS EXACT WORDS. Reporter: SOON THE COUPLE WENT BACK INTO THE

RESTAURANT BUSINESS. GOD SPOKE TO ME AND TOLD ME WE WERE GOING TO CALL IT MANA CAFE.

AND I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT MEANT, SO I LOOKED IT UP. IT WAS ABOUT GOD PROVIDING FOOD FOR THEM WHEN THEY

WERE IN THE DESERT. > THEY GAVE US A GOOD DEAL. A DOLLAR A SQUARE FOOT TO

START. WOW! GOD PROVIDED. IT'S NOT EVEN WORK TO ME

BECAUSE I LOVE WHAT I ENJOY DOING. TO ME, IT IS A LOT OF FUN. Reporter: THE COUPLE

CREDITS THIS FAVOR TO THEIR COMMITMENT TO TITHING FROM THE BUSINESS.

I HAVE THAT FAITH IN GOD, THAT HE'S GOING TO

TAKE CARE OF US NO MATTER WHAT. AS LONG AS I DO MY LITTLE PART, HE IS GOING TO DO

THE REST. BEING A TITHER IS WHAT PUTS THE BLESSINGS IN YOUR LIFE, THE PROTECTION, THE

COVERING, THE ANSWERS. Reporter: IN ADDITION TO TITHING, THE COUPLE GIVE FOOD TO THE HOMELESS

IN THEIR COMMUNITY. AND THEY ALSO GIVE TO CBN. IT IS ABOUT COMPASSION. IT'S ABOUT LOVING.

BEING THAT PERSON THAT CAN HELP CHANGE PEOPLE'S LIVES. Reporter: TODAY

BUSINESS AT MANA CAV FEE CAFE IS THRIVING. THEY ARE MAKING FOUR TIMES WHAT THEY USED.

AND NOW THEY'RE PLANNING ON OPENING A SECOND RESTAURANT. TOGETHER THEY CHALLENGE

OTHERS TO TRUST GOD. BE A "700 CLUB" MEMBER. IT WOULD BE THE BEST THING YOU COULD EVER DO FOR YOUR

LIFE AND FOR YOUR FINANCES. YOU WANT TO SEE GOD

WORK, BE A TITHER, BE A GIVER, STEP OUT IN FAITH. Pat: I'LL TELL YOU, IF GOD EVER WHISPERED IN

MY EAR, OPEN A RESTAURANT, I THINK I'D SAY, LORD, I'M AFRAID. Terry: A LOT OF US

WOULD SAY THAT. Pat: I DON'T WANT TO ARGUE WITH YOU, BUT I JUST CAN'T.

YOU NEVER RAN A RESTAURANT BEFORE. [LAUGHTER] Pat: ANYHOW, WHAT A

WONDERFUL TESTIMONY. FERNANDO AND HIS WONDERFUL WIFE, KATHRYN. > ALL RIGHT, IF YOU WANT

TO RECEIVE THE BLESSING OF THE LORD, THE BEST WAY TO GET A BLESSING IS TO SHARE ONE WITH OTHERS.

THE BIBLE SAYS, "GIVE AND IT WILL BE GIVEN UNTO YOU." AND HERE IS WHAT HE SAYS,

"PRESSED DOWN, GOOD MEASURE, RUNNING OVER THERE HEAP INTO YOUR BOSOM BOSOM" -- FOUR

SUPERLATIVES. AND THE BLESSING WILL RUN AFTER YOU. THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN

YOU HAVE GOD WORKING ON YOUR BEHALF, INSTEAD OF YOU DOING IT ON YOUR OWN. SO YOU SAY, I'M PART OF

GOD'S PLAN, I WANT TO BE PART OF HIS PLAN, AND I WANT TO BELIEVE GOD. NOW, YOU CAN DO THAT, TO

START IF YOU WANT TO -- WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT 65 CENTS. THE THING TO DO IS TO

START. YOU SAY, I CAN'T DO IT. YES, YOU CAN. YES, YOU CAN.

THERE IS NOBODY, REALLY, WHO CAN'T AFFORD 65 CENTS. EVEN IF YOUR ON SOCIAL SECURITY, YOU CAN AFFORD

65 CENTS A DAY. AND YOU DO THAT EVERY DAY, AND YOU GET $20 A MONTH. AND YOU DO IT EVERY MONTH.

AND YOU GET $240. AND THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW, YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS ARE SIGNIFICANT.

IT COSTS YOU 65 CENTS TODAY. THE NUMBER IS ON YOUR SCREEN: 1-800-700-7000.

AND "THE SECRET KINGDOM" CAN CHANGE YOUR LIFE.

IT IS THE FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES OF GROWTH AND SUCCESS IN THE WORLD. WE'LL GIVE THIS TO YOU AND

I HOPE IT IS A BLESSING. Terry: MARY ANN HAS WATCHED "THE SECRET KINGDOM" AND SHE SAYS, IT

CLARIFIED WHAT GOD WANTS US TO DO. I GREW UP IN A CLOUD OF NEGATIVITY, AND NOW I SEE

MORE CLEARLY." WOW, THAT IS AWESOME. Pat: ALL RIGHT,

QUESTIONS. Terry: I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU TWO QUESTIONS IN THIS FIRST ONE BECAUSE

THEY BOTH HAVE TO DO WITH BAPTISM. ERNEST ASKS "IF I HAVE ACCEPTED CHRIST INTO MY

HEART, DO I NEED TO BE BAPTIZED TO GO INTO HEAVEN." PAMELA SAYS, "I WAS

BAPTIZED AT AGE EIGHT, AND I'M NOT 66. DO I NEED TO BE BAPTIZED AGAIN?

I HAVE ALWAYS BELIEVED IN JESUS OUR SAVER AND GOD OUR FATHER, AND AM I ALREADY ON THE RIGHT

PATH." Pat: I'LL GIVE YOU MY OWN TESTIMONY. WHETHER IT WAS BIBLICAL

CORRECT, I JUST DID IT. I WANTED TO BE FILLED WITH

THE HOLY SPIRIT. I WANTED THE BAPTISM. AND I PRAYED AND PRAYED

AND PRAYED. AND AS I READ THE BIBLE, I REALIZED THAT THESE PEOPLE WERE BAPTIZED IN WATER AND

THEN THEY RECEIVED THE HOLY SPIRIT. AND I FIGURED, LOOK, IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT

WILL HELP ME GET WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IN THE LORD, IF THIS WOULD BE AN ACT OF

OBEDIENCE, I'M ALL FOR IT. NOW, THE QUESTION OF GOING TO HEAVEN, PAUL SAID, LISTEN, GOD SENT ME TO

PREACH THE GOSPEL. HE DIDN'T SEND ME OUT TO BAPTIZE PEOPLE, ALTHOUGH THERE WERE A FEW.

IF BAPTISM WAS ESSENTIAL TO SALVATION, PAUL WOULD HAVE ABSOLUTELY BAPTIZED EVERYBODY HE GOT HIS HANDS

ON. BUT HE DIDN'T BECAUSE HE KNEW IT WAS FAITH THAT BROUGHT YOU TO HEAVEN.

IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, THEY BELIEVE THAT IF YOU BAPTIZE AN INFANT, THAT THE FAITH OF THE PARENTS

BRINGS THAT CHILD INTO THE COMMUNION, INTO THE COVENANT OF GOD. THE FAITH OF THE PEOPLE

WHO ARE HAVING THE CHILD BAPTIZED. THE BAPTISTS ON THE OTHER HAND BELIEVE THAT IS AN

ACT THAT TAKES PLACE AFTER YOU ARE OLD ENOUGH TO ACCEPT THE LORD. IT IS A SUBMISSION WHERE

YOU'RE DEAD IN CHRIST AND ALIVE IN SIN. IT IS CLEARLY SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE DONE AFTER

YOU'RE A BELIEVER. I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO A FIGHT WITH THOSE WHO THINK INFANT BAPTISM IS THE WAY

TO GO. Terry: CATHOLICS HAVE THE SACRAMENT OF CONFIRMATION, WHICH

HAPPENS AT THAT AGE YOU

WERE TALKING ABOUT. Pat: EXACTLY. GOD IS NOT A PHILADELPHIA LAWYER.

I DON'T WANT TO SPLIT HAIRS ON THIS ONE. Terry: THIS IS CAROLYN WHO SAYS, "DEAR,

PAT, IF A PERSON ATTENDS CHURCH AND HAS ACCEPTED PAT INTO HIS LIFE, IS A WRONG TO HAVE A SOCIAL

DRINK EVERY NOW OR THEN. I DO THIS WITH MY HUSBAND, LIKE ON A FISHING TRIP OR ON A COOKOUT.

I REALLY DON'T SEE ANYTHING WRONG HERE. WHAT DO YOU THINK?" Pat: HERE IS THE

RULE, PAUL SAID: "IF MEAT CAUSES MY BROTHER TO OFFEND, I WILL EAT NO MEAT WHILE THE WORLD STANDS."

IF YOU'RE OUT HAVING A DRINK AND YOU DON'T FEEL THERE IS ANYTHING WRONG WITH IT, OKAY.

BUT REMEMBER, IF YOU HAVING A DRINK HAPPENS TO BE IN THE PRESENCE OF AN ALCOHOLIC AND HE SEES YOU

GETTING A DRINK, YOU MAY CAUSE HIM TO GO TO HELL.

AND THAT'S WHAT PAUL SAID,

I WILL REFRAIN FROM DOING SOMETHING THAT IS PERFECTLY LEGITIMATE IF MY ACTION WILL OFFEND

SOMEBODY ELSE. THAT'S THE RULE. Terry: JEANNIE SAYS, "WHEN WE'RE RAPTURED, WILL

WE BE IN HEAVEN, WHERE OUR LOVED ONES WHO HAVE GONE BEFORE US ARE, OR ARE WE

IN A DIFFERENT HEAVEN?" Pat: AS I SEE IT, IT WILL BE A GLORIOUS REUNION OF EVERYBODY.

THE LORD IS GOING TO MAKE ALL THINGS NEW. SOONER OR LATER IT WILL ALL BE REDONE AND WE'LL

ALL BE TOGETHER AND WE'LL

BE SPIRITS. WHETHER YOUR RAPTURED OR CALLED UP TO BE WITH HIM AND THE LORD -- WHENEVER

IT HAPPENS, YOU'LL HAVE A SPIRITUAL BODY, AND YOU WILL, OF COURSE, BE WITH

YOUR LOVED ONES. YOU'LL BE WITH EVERYBODY. YOU'LL BE WITH THE GREAT FAMILY OF GOD.

AND IT WILL BE ONE GLORIOUS REUNION, BELIEVE ME. PAUL SAID, LOOK, I'D GIVE

UP ANYTHING THAT I WOULD GET TO THE RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD. IT'S A BIG DEAL.

> WE LEAVE YOU WITH THIS WORD: "WITH EVERLASTING

KINDNESS, I'LL HAVE MERCY ON YOU, SAYS THE LORD, YOUR REDEEMER." > TOMORROW WE'VE GOT

HILLSONG'S DARY DAR DARLENE ZCHCHECH HILLSONG'S DARY DAR DARLENE ZCHCHECH TALKING ABOUT HER BATTLE WITH CANCER.

SEE YOU TOMORROW.

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