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The 700 Club - April 12, 2017

The former worship pastor for Hillsong, Darlene Zschech reveals why she left the megachurch, her battle with cancer and the times when she questioned God. Read Transcript


Efrem: THE FORMER

WORSHIP PASTOR FOR

HILLSONG, DARLENE ZSCHECH

REVEALS WHY HE LEFT THE

MEGA CHURCH.

MARK SAID TO ME, WOULD

YOU LIKE TO HAVE AN

ADVENTURE.

Efrem: HER BATTLE

WITH CANCER --

THERE IS NOTHING QUITE

LIKE IT WHEN YOUR HANGING

ON.

Efrem: AND THE TIME

SHE QUESTIONED GOD.

I SAID TO HIM, THIS

DOESN'T FEEL LIKE LOVE.

Pat: WELCOME, LADIES

AND GENTLEMEN.

IT IS GOOD TO HAVE YOU

WITH US.

IT IS GOOD TO HAVE WENDY

BACK WITH US.

YOU'VE BEEN TRAVELLING AND

SICK, THIS, THAT, AND THE

OTHER.

Wendy: ALL OF IT.

I WAS TRAVELLING SICK.

I WENT TO GOLF SHORES,

ALABAMA.

BOY, IT IS PRETTY DOWN

THERE.

I DIDN'T KNOW THEY HAD

SUCH A BEAUTIFUL BEACH

DOWN THERE.

Pat: PRISTINE AND

LOVELY.

WHAT WERE YOU DOING?

Wendy: I WAS AT A

WOMEN'S RETREAT AND IT WAS

LIFE-CHANGING.

IT WAS 25 WOMEN AND THE

HOLY SPIRIT, AND WE HAD AN

AMAZING TIME WITH GOD AND

EACH OTHER.

Pat: GOOD FOR YOU.

WELCOME BACK.

DON'T DO THAT AGAIN,

THAT'S THE WARNING FROM

RUSSIA TO THE UNITED

STATES.

TELLING AMERICA NOT TO

LAUNCH ANOTHER ATTACK ON

SYRIA.

THAT'S A JOKE.

BUT THE TRUMP

ADMINISTRATION HAS MADE IT

CLEAR IT WILL TAKE MORE

MILITARY ACTION IN SYRIA

IF NECESSARY.

Wendy: THE SECRETARY

OF STATE IS IN MOSCOW

TODAY, MEETING WITH THE

RUSSIAN FOREIGN MINISTER,

AND POSSIBLY WITH VLADIMIR

PUTIN.

HEATHER SELLS HAS THE

STORY.

Heather: HE'S THE

FIRST TRUMP CABINET

OFFICIAL TO VISIT RUSSIA,

BUT IT IS STILL UNCLEAR

WHETHER RUSSIAN PRESIDENT

PUTIN WILL MEET WITH

SECRETARY OF STATE

TILLERSON, AND THERE IS

LITTLE HOPE OF THE TWO

COUNTRIES AGREEING ON

SYRIA.

THE WHITE HOUSE SAYS IT IS

CONFIDENT THAT SYRIAN

PRESIDENT BASHAR

al-ASSAD ORDERED A

CHEMICAL ATTACK ON HIS

PEOPLE THIS MONTH.

AND IT SAYS THE AMERICANS RUSSIANS

ARE TRYING TO COVERUP THE

INVOLVEMENT OF ASSAD.

PRESIDENT TRUMP IS

DEMANDING THAT RUSSIA

WITHDRAW ITS SUPPORT FOR

THE ASSAD REGIME.

President Trump:

FRANKLY, PUTIN IS BACKING

A PERSON THAT IS TRULY AN

EVIL PERSON.

I THINK IT IS VERY BAD FOR

RUSSIA.

I THINK IT IS VERY BAD FOR

MANKIND.

Heather: IF PRESIDENT

PUTIN CONTINUES TO DENY

THAT ASSAD'S GOVERNMENT

DIRECTED THAT THE

ATTACK --

[SPEAKING A FOREIGN

LANGUAGE]

Heather: -- UNDER AN

AGREEMENT BETWEEN RUSSIA

AND THE UNITED STATES A

FEW YEARS AGO WAS SUPPOSED

TO ELIMINATE CHEMICAL

WEAPONS.

CLEARLY THAT DIDN'T WORK.

IT IS CLEAR TO ALL OF

US THAT THE REIGN OF THE

ASSAD FAMILY IS COMING TO

AN END.

Heather: AMIDST OF

ALL OF THIS, THE WHITE

HOUSE IS RECOVERING FROM A

FIRESTORM ON TUESDAY.

IT STARTED BY SEAN SPICER

POINTING THE FINGER AT

ASSAD BY COMPARING HIM TO

HITLER.

YOU HAD SOMEONE HAS

DESPICABLE AS HITLER WHO

DIDN'T EVEN RESORT TO

CHEMICAL WEAPONS.

Heather: HITLER USED

GAS TO KILL MILLIONS OF

JEWS.

SPICER LATER APOLOGIZED.

NIKKI HALEY SAYS THE U.S.

IS PREPARED TO DO MORE,

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THE

PRESIDENT IS MAKING IT

CLEAR --

President Trump:

WE'RE NOT GOING INTO

SYRIA.

Heather: AND JAMES

MATTIS IS PROMISING THAT

DESPITE GROWING TENSIONS

BETWEEN THE U.S. AND

RUSSIA, THE RELATIONSHIP

WILL NOT, QUOTE, "SPIRAL

OUT OF CONTROL."

HEATHER SELLS, CBN NEWS.

Pat: WELL, YOU KNOW,

YOU HAVE TO GO BACK IN

HISTORY A LITTLE BIT TO

UNDERSTAND WHAT SYRIA IS.

SYRIA WAS A CREATION OF

THE ALLIED POWERS AFTER

WORLD WAR I.

THEY HAD SPHERES OF

INFLUENCE.

THE BRITS GOT CERTAIN

AREAS, AND THE FRENCH GOT

CERTAIN AREAS.

THE FRENCH GOT SYRIA.

THAT'S WHY IN SYRIA THEY

SPEAK SOME FRENCH.

THEY ALSO GOT LEBANON AND

THEY SPEAK FRENCH IN

LEBANON.

SO NOW YOU HAVE THE SAME

GROUP, THE SAME CLAN, THAT

RAN IRAQ IS RUNNING SYRIA.

THEY'RE CALLED ALAWITES.

BUT THEY ONLY REPRESENT

ABOUT 15% OF THE

POPULATION.

THE MAJORITY, OF COURSE,

ARE SUNNI MUSLIMS AND THEN

THERE ARE SOME SHI'AS.

BUT THE ALAWITES, BECAUSE

OF THE ASSAD FAMILY, HAVE

BEEN VERY, VERY BRUTAL.

THEY HAVE BEEN HIDEOUS

DICTATORS.

AND THIS MAN, ASSAD'S

FATHER, KILLED SOME PEOPLE

IN A PLACE CALLED HOMA.

HE JUST WIPED THEM OUT.

30,000 PEOPLE, DEAD.

THESE GUYS ARE BRUTES.

THIS MAN, WE ALL THOUGHT

HE HAD BEEN EDUCATED AS A

DOCTOR IN EUROPE, AND YOU

WOULD HAVE THOUGHT HE HAD

TAKEN ON SOME WESTERN

CHARACTERISTICS, BUT

INSTEAD HE HAS BECOME A

MONSTER.

AND, YES, HE'S GOT TO GO.

BUT THEY ONLY CONTROL 15%

OF THE PEOPLE.

WE'VE GOT TO RECOGNIZE THE

FACT THAT THERE ARE SOME

PEOPLE IN THERE WHO ARE

KURDS AND THEY DESERVE

THEIR OWN COUNTRY.

THERE USED TO BE A

KURDISTAN, ALONG WITH THE

KURDS IN IRAQ AND SYRIA

AND TURKEY, AND THEY

DESERVE A HOMELAND.

THE SUNNIS PROBABLY NEED

TO HAVE SOME INDEPENDENCE.

HOW THEY'RE GOING TO SET

IT UP, WE DON'T KNOW.

BUT WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS

THAT SYRIA, THAT CAME

TOGETHER AFTER WORLD WAR

I, NEEDS TO BE DISMEMBERED

AND IT NEEDS TO GO BACK TO

THE ORIGINAL TRIBAL

ALLEGIANCES.

THAT'S WHAT HAS GOT TO BE

DONE.

BUT WHETHER THE POWERS

THAT BE ARE GOING TO PICK

THAT UP, I DON'WHAT IS SMART, WE DON'T

KNOW.

ASSAD HAS GOT TO GO.

BUT WHO IS GOING TO BE PUT

IN HIS PLACE.

WHO WOULD GO IN?

WE HAD SOME POTENTIAL

CANDIDATES, BUT OBAMA DID

NOT HELP THEM, AND NOW

THEY ARE NO LONGER

AVAILABLE.

SO WHO DO WE HAVE?

WE MAY HAVE SOME ISIS

SUPPORTERS, AND THAT

WOULDN'T BE COOL, EITHER.

IT IS A DILEMA.

Wendy: IT IS.

YOU WONDER IS ISIS WOULD

BE MUCH WORSE THAN ASSAD

AT THIS POINT?

Pat: IA, IT WOULD BE YEAH, IT WOULD

BE WORSE, BUT NOT MUCH.

> ASSAD IS A DOCTOR, A

TRAINED MAN --

Wendy: HE IS

CIVILIZED -- HE DOESN'T

LOOK LIKE A MONSTER, DOES

HE?

Pat: BUT HIS FATHER

WAS A MONSTER.

HE KILLED RUTHLESSLY.

IT WAS ONLY 15% OF THE

POPULATION, AND HE HAD TO

MAINTAIN AN IRON GRIP.

> HERE AT HOME, THE

PRESIDENT TRUMP

ADMINISTRATION AND

CONGRESSIONAL REPUBLICANS

ARE GOING FORWARD WITH A

PLAN TO GET THE ECONOMY

MOVING AGAIN WITH TAX

CUTS.

JOHN JESSUP HAS THAT.

John: AND, PAT,

PRESIDENT TRUMP NEEDS THE

SUPPORT OF THE

CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN

HOUSE FREEDOM CAUCUS IN

CONGRESS TO GET THAT TAX

PLAN PASSED INTO LAW.

THAT'S THE GROUP THAT

DERAILED THE G.O.P. HEALTH

CARE PLAN.

NOW THE LEADER OF THE

FREEDOM CAUCUS TELLS CBN

NEWS, EH?

NEWSHE BELIEVES BOTH TAX

REFORM AND A NEW HEALTH

CARE PLAN CAN BE PASSED

THIS LLOR.

YEAR.

David: PRESIDENT

TRUMP HAS HIS HANDS FULL

DEALING WITH DEMOCRATS AND

THE MAJOR NEWS MEDIA.

BUT HIS FIGHT HAS BEEN

WITH THE FREEDOM CAUCUS.

THIS GROUP OF SERIOUSLY

CONSERVATIVE LAWMAKERS IN

THE HOUSE BANDED TOGETHER

TO PREVENT THE PRESIDENT

FROM CLAIMING A VICTORY ON

HEALTH CARE REFORM.

BUT THEIR LEADER, MARK

MEADOWS, TELLS CBN NEWS HE

BELIEVES A DEAL IS STILL

IN SIGHT.

I THINK THERE IS ROOM

FOR OPTIMISM BECAUSE WE

WANT TO GET IT DONE ON

BEHALF OF THE AMERICAN

PEOPLE.

SO FAILURE IS NOT AN

OPTION.

SO AS WE LOOK AT THIS, YOU

KNOW, THE VIEWERS THAT ARE

TUNED IN RIGHT NOW, THEIR

MAIN LITMUS TEST IS GOING

TO BE, DID THEIR PREMIUMS

COME DOWN?

David: THE LATEST

REPORTS INDICATE THAT THE

FREEDOM CAUCUS IS VERY

CLOSE TO AGREEING TO A

DEAL WITH THE WHITE HOUSE.

THE STICKING POINT IS

FIGURING OUT HOW MANY OF

THOSE OBAMACARE INSURANCE

MANDATES THAT THE STATES

WOULD BE ABLE TO OPT OUT

OF.

A NEW HEALTH CARE VOTE

COULD EVEN HAPPEN OVER THE

CONGRESSIONAL RECESS.

AS WE LOOK AT THIS

RECESS, I THINK IT IS

IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT WE

MAY COME BACK TO VOTE ON

IT.

AS THE FIGHT OVER

HEALTH CARE CONTINUES TO

BE WORKED OUT HERE IN

CONGRESS, MARK MEADOWS IS

GOING TO HAVE SOMETHING

ELSE ON HIS PLATE.

IT'S CALLED MULTI-TASKING

BECAUSE THE FREEDOM CAUCUS

AND MEADOWS ARE NOT JUST

INVOLVED IN HEALTH CARE.

GET READY FOR THE

COMPLICATED ISSUE OF TAX

REFORM.

THE "NEW YORK TIMES" CALLS

TAX REFORM A RUBIK'S CUBE

BECAUSE IT CAN BE SO

COMPLICATED.

THERE IS A REASON THAT

TAX REFORM NEVER HAPPENS.

REPUBLICANS KILL THEIR OWN

BILLS.

IT IS VERY CONTROVERSIAL.

ALL OF THE LOBBIED

INTERESTS COME TO THE

TABLE AND START HOLLERING.

AND EVERYONE HAS A STAKE.

IT IS VERY, VERY TRICKY TO

TRY TO TAKE AWAY ANY OF

THE CARVE-OUTS IN THE TAX

CODE.

THERE IS A CONSTITUENCY

AND A LOBBY FOR EVERY ONE,

AND IT HAS BEEN TRIED

BEFORE.

David: BUT THE

LEADER OF THE FREEDOM

CAUCUS SAYS ON THE HEELS

OF WHAT HAPPENED WITH

HEALTH CARE, HE BELIEVES

TAX REFORM WILL INDEED

HAPPEN.

I'M OPTMISTIC WE'LL SEE

A VERY DIFFERENT PROCESS

AS TAX REFORM COMES ALONG.

David: ARE YOU

OPTMISTIC THAT SOMETHING

WILL BE GET DONE?

IT IS VERY COMPLICATED?

IT IS VERY COMPLICATED.

BUT TAX REFORM, HAVING IT

DONE BY AUGUST, BEFORE WE

BREAK FOR AUGUST, IS NOT

ONLY A WORTHWHILE GOAL BUT

WEREN'T I THINK IS

ACHIEVABLE.

David: MEADOWS SAYS

THE KEY TO ALL OF THIS IS

TO MAKE SURE THAT THE

FREEDOM CAUCUS IS INCLUDED

BY G.O.P. LEADERSHIP IN

THE BEGINNING OF THE

DISCUSSION SESSION, AND

THEY LAY OUT THEIR

PRIORITIES AS WELL.

WE HAVE SHARED THAT

WITH THE LEADERSHIP, THAT

WE NEED TO BE INVOLVED.

AND CHAIRMAN BRADY, ON THE

TAX REFORM SIDE, HAS BEEN

DOING A VERY GOOD JOB OF

REACHING OUT TO THE

FREEDOM CAUCUS.

AND YET WE NEED TO MAKE

SURE THAT IS MORE INDECES

INTERACTIVE IN TERMS OF

LEGISLATURE INITIATIVES.

David: IT IS ALL A

WORK OF PROGRESS YO UP HERE

ON THE HILL, AND THE

FREEDOM CAUCUS IS SMACK IN

THE MIDDLE OF IT.

DAVID BRODY, CBN NEWS,

WASHINGTON.

John: PAT, DO YOU

THINK THEY'LL BE ABLE TO

REFORM THE TAXES AND THE

HEALTH CARE?

Pat: MARK MEADOWS IS

A BORN-AGAIN CHRISTIAN AND

HE HAS PUT UP SOME

HIGH-DOLLAR PROJECTS THAT

HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR, AND

HE IS A REASONABLE

BUSINESSMAN.

THESE GUYS KNOW THERE IS

NO CHANCE THAT THEY CAN GO

BEFORE THE VOTING PUBLIC

WITHOUT TAKING CARE OF

HEALTH CARE.

THEY HAVE TO DO IT.

THEY PROMISED, THEY

PROMISED, THEY PROMISED.

IF THEY'RE VIEWED AS THE

LITTLE BAND OF PEOPLE WHO

BLOCKED HEALTH CARE

REFORM, THEY'LL ALL LOSE

THEIR SEATS, IF THEY'RE

NOT CAREFUL.

I THINK THEY ALL WANT TO

GET ON BOARD.

I THINK IN TERMS OF THE

TAX REFORM, WE'VE

INTERVIEWED CHAIRMAN BRADY

ON THIS PROGRAM.

HE HAS A MARVELOUS PLAN.

HIS PLAN OF TAX REFORM IS

SO RIDICULOUSLY SIMPLE,

THAT EVERYBODY OUGHT TO BE

ON BOARD.

SO IF ALL OF THESE

LOBBYISTS COME IN WITH

THEIR GUCCI SUITS AND ALL

OF THAT STUFF, GIVE THEM

THE BOOT OUT THE DOOR AND

SAY, LOOK, WE'VE GOT TO

FIX THIS THING FOR

AMERICA.

I BELIEVE THAT BRADY, THE

WAYS AND MEANS COMMITTEE,

AND THE HOUSE -- THAT'S

WHERE THOSE BILLS SHOULD

START.

AND I THINK THE SENATE

NEEDS TO GET ON BOARD, AND

WE NEED TO GET TAX REFORM.

THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS

THAT HAS GOT TO BE DONE,

AND THEY SAY THEY'LL DO IT

BEFORE AUGUST.

I BELIEVE THEY'RE RIGHT T IN

SAYING, IN ORDER TO GET

TAX REFORM, YOU'VE GOT TO

GET THE SAVINGS OUT OF THE

HEALTH CARE.

AND THE HEALTH CARE BILL

HAS TO BE PASSED FIRST.

THERE IS NO QUESTION IT

WILL BE.

> WE'RE GOING TO SHIFT

TO SOMETHING ELSE.

IF YOU WERE WATCHING YOUR

TELEVISION, YOU HAD A HARD

TIME MISSING IT.

YOU AND I WERE HORRIFIED

TO SEE A PASSENGER RIPPED

FROM A WINDOW SEAT ON AN

AIRPLANE.

HAULED OVER THE SEATS

BEHIND HIM, DRAGGED DOWN

THE CORRIDOR OF AN

AIRPLANE, HIS SHIRT UP

OVER HIS NECK, AND THE MAN

SCREAMING INCOHERENTLY.

IT WAS ONE OF THE MOST

SORDID EPISODES I HAVE

EVER SEEN BY STUPIDITY IN

CORPORATE AMERICA.

THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN

YOU GIVE AN ORDER AND YOU

TURN IT LOOSE TO SOME

SECURITY GUYS WHO DON'T

KNOW FROM NOTHING.

I MEAN, IT WAS TERRIBLE.

AND THE FALLOUT TO UNITED

AIRLINES IS DRAMATIC.

THEY'RE LOSING HUGE

AMOUNTS OF MONEY IN THEIR

STOCK.

PEOPLE ARE CALLING FOR THE

RESIGNATION OF PEOPLE.

THE HEAD OF THE COMPANY

HAS APOLOGIZED.

IT WAS AWFUL.

DID YOU SEE THAT?

Wendy: IT WAS REALLY

AWFUL.

AND AT FIRST UNITED

DEFENDED THEIR PROCEDURES.

BUT THEY MUST NOT HAVE

SEEN THE VIDEO YET.

Pat: ALL THEY HAVE TO

DO IS -- WHAT THEY NEED --

YOU OFFER $500.

THEY OFFERED $1,000, AND

THE PEOPLE SAID NO.

THIS MAN SAYS HE'S A

DOCTOR AND HE HAS

PATIENTS.

IF YOU'RE A BRIDESMAID OR

A MAID OF HONOR, THERE IS

NO AMOUNT OF MONEY.

Wendy: THERE IS NO

AMOUNT OF MONEY.

SOMEBODY ON THAT PLANE

WOULD HAVE TAKEN THE $500

OR THE $1,000.

Pat: AND YOU KEEP

RAISING THE ANTE UNTIL

SOMEBODY TAKES IT.

THAT'S VERY SIMPLE.

BUT THE REASON THEY CLAIM

IS BECAUSE THEY HAD SO

MANY CREW MEMBERS THAT HAD

TO GET ON THAT FLIGHT SO

THEY WOULD BE POSITIONED

FOR THE NEXT FLIGHT.

Wendy: IT IS ALWAYS

THE CUSTOMER FIRST IN

BUSINESS.

Pat: YOU'RE RIGHT.

THEY COULD HAVE CHARTERED

A LITTLE, SMALL JET, AND

FLOWN IT TO WHEREVER THEY

HAD TO GO.

IT WOULD HAVE COST THEM

$10,000.

IT WOULD HAVE BEEN SO MUCH

SIMPLER.

THEY DON'T THINK SMART.

THE SECURITY GUYS ARE NOT

PAID TO BE SMART.

THEY'RE PAID TO BE TOUGH.

AND THEY'RE TOUGH.

THE ORDER IS GET HIM OFF

THE PLANE.

YES, SIR.

IF THE GENERAL SAID, TAKE

THE HILL, THEY'D TAKE THE

HILL.

Wendy: THEY DID IT.

Pat: WHAT A HORRIBLE

EXAMPLE OF STUPIDITY.

MASS STUPIDITY.

JOHN?

John: WELL, THE

DOCTOR WHO WAS DRAGGED OFF

THE UNITED FLIGHT AND LEFT

BLOODIED BY OFFICER COULD

SUE THE AIRLINE CARRIER.

THE LONDON DAILY MAIL

REPORTS DR. DAVID DAO HAS

ISSUED A STATEMENT THROUGH

TWO LAW FIRMS.

HE IS STILL UNDERGOING

TREATMENT AT A CHICAGO

HOSPITAL FOR HIS INJURIES.

HE HAS A TROUBLED PAST,

INCLUDING A FELONY DRUG

CONVICTION AND ANGER

MANAGEMENT ISSUES.

THE PAPER REPORTED HE HAD

HIS MEDICAL LICENSE

SUSPENDED FOR TEN YEARS

FOR ILLEGALLY PRESCRIBING

PAINKILLERS AND HE WAS

SEXUALLY INVOLVED WITH A

PATIENT WHO USED TO WORK

FOR HIS PRACTICE.

BUT OTHERS HAVE POINTED

OUT HIS PAST REALLY DIDN'T

MATTER.

HE WAS PICKED AT RANDOM

AMONG PASSENGERS ON BORD BOARD

THAT UNITED FLIGHT.

> THE 20th ANNUAL

MOVIE GUIDE WILL AIR ON

TELEVISION.

EFREM GRAHAM BRINGS US A

BEHIND-THE-SCENES LOOK AT

THIS YEAR'S AWARDS SHOW.

Efrem: SINCE 1993,

MOVIE GUIDE HAS HOSTED

THIS GALA TO AAWAR AWARD PEOPLE

IN TELEVISION WHO'S WORK

ENTERTAINS AND INSPIRES.

THE GROUP WORKS TO BRIDGE

THE GAP BETWEEN THE

ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY AND

THE TRADITIONAL FAMILY

AUDIENCE.

MOVIE GUIDE OFFERS TIPS

AND GUIDELINES FOR

FILM-MAKERS AND IMPORTANT

INFORMATION TO PEOPLE

LOOKING FOR

FAMILY-FRIENDLY CONTENT,

SOMETHING THE ACTOR WHO IS

HOSTING THIS YEAR'S EVENT

APPRECIATES.

I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING

MOVIE GUIDE FOR YEARS.

MY OLDEST DAUGHTER IS 30.

MY YOUNGEST SON IS 11.

WE HAVE FIVE KIDS.

I HAVE A 6-YEAR-OLD

GRANDBABY.

WE GO TO MOVIE GUY BECAUSE

WE NEED TO FIND OUT WHAT

WE'RE ABOUT TO WATCH

TONIGHT.

Efrem: CBN IS AMONG

THIS YEAR'S AWARD

NOMINEES.

THE DOCUMENTARY,

"POCAHONTAS," IS UP FOR

THE FAITH AND FREEDOM

AWARD.

IT WAS ORIGINALLY AN

ASSIGNMENT FROM GORDON TO

MUSHROOMED INTO A

30-MINUTE DOCUMENTARY.

Efrem: AND THEY ARE

HONORING CBN'S FOUNDER,

DR. PAT ROBERTSON, FOR ITS

LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT AWARD

FOR LIVING AND

COMMUNICATING THE GOOD

NEWS.

Pat: IT IS A GREAT

HONOR.

I REALLY THINK THE CREDIT

BELONGS TO MEDIA, THE

MOVIE GUIDE.

THEY DO SUCH A SUBURB

GUIDE.

IT IS A THRILL TO BE PART

OF THIS CELEBRATION.

Efrem: AND IT HAS

BEEN A BIG YEAR FOR

ENTERTAINMENT AND

DR. ROBERTSON AND REGENT

UNIVERSITY.

PARTNERING WITH CORBIN

BERNSTEIN TO PRODUCE THE

SCHOOL'S FIRST FULL-LENGTH

FEATURE FILM IN "LAWFULLY

YOURS."

TONIGHT WE HONOR PAT

FOR THAT ILLUMINATION, FOR

THAT SHARING, THAT

KINDNESS, THAT HE HAS

SHOWN TO SO MANY PEOPLE.

[APPLAUSE]

Efrem: THAT KINDNESS

PROMPTED A STANDING

OVATION FOR A LIVING

LEGEND IN THE WORLD OF

BROADCASTING.

Pat: THANK YOU,

CORBIN.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN,

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

PRAISE GOD FOR HIS

BLESSING IN MY LIFE.

AND I CAN SAY HITHER TO

HAVE THE LORD BLESSED ME,

GOD BLESS ALL OF YOU.

GOD BLESS AMERICA.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

John: THE AWARDS

CEREMONY OCCURRED EARLIER

THIS YEAR, BUT YOU CAN

WATCH THE ENTIRE CEREMONY

THIS SUNDAY AT 5 p.m.

EASTERN.

PAT, CONGRATULATIONS.

Pat: WELL, THANK YOU.

THAT WAS A VERY NICE TIME.

I APPRECIATE CORBIN, HIS

NICE REMARKS.

I THINK MOVIE GUIDE DOES A

GOOD JOB.

TED BAER, HE HAS AN

ANALYSIS.

HE DOES SPECTORGRAPHICS,

WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL

IT, ABOUT FILM TASTES, SO

HE CAN GO INTO A FILM

PRODUCER AND SAY, LOOK,

THESE ARE THE ONES THAT

ARE MAKING MONEY, THESE

ARE THE ONES THAT ARE

LOSING MONEY.

AND THE FAITH FILMS MAKE

MONEY AND THE DIRTY FILMS

LOSE MONEY -- DON'T YOU

WANT TO MAKE MONEY?

SO HE SUEDE A LO SWAYED A LOT OF

OPINION IN HOLLYWOOD.

IT WAS KIND OF A FUN

THING, I GUESS.

Wendy: I THINK IT IS

AMAZING THAT WE'RE GETTING

INTO THE MOVIE BUSINESS

BECAUSE THERE IS SUCH A

HUNGER OUT THERE FOR

WHOLESOME, GREAT

ENTERTAINMENT.

Pat: YOU KNOW KEVIN

SORBO IS A TREMENDOUS GUY.

Wendy: HE IS GREAT.

Pat: HE IS A BIG

ACTOR.

HE TOLD ME, LOOK, I'VE GOT

A WHOLE BUNCH OF SCRIPTS.

I'M LOOKING FOR SOME

MONEY.

I SAID, MAYBE WE'VE GOT

SOME MONEY.

HOW ABOUT GETTING

TOGETHER.

WE'RE TALKING RIGHT NOW

ABOUT REGENT.

I WOULD LIKE REGENT

UNIVERSITY TO HAVE A FILM

DEPARTMENT, WHERE THEY'RE

MAKING HIGH-QUALITY,

FAITH-BASED MOVIES THAT

WILL BE OF THE QUALITY

THAT WOULD COMMAND

ATTENTION ON THE SCREENS

OF AMERICA, NOT JUST

BEHIND-THE-SCENES, BUT OUT

THERE ON THE SCREENS.

Wendy: GO BIG OR GO

HOME.

Pat: I'M WORKING ON A

PROJECT RIGHT NOW I HOPE

WILL BE SUCCESSFUL.

BECAUSE WHY NOT?

AND TO HAVE OUR STUDENTS

PARTICIPATE, LIKE THEY DID

WITH CORBIN IN

"UNLAWFULLY."

IT WAS A GOOD MOVIE.

AND THE STUDENTS WORKED

WITH CORBIN, AND THE

TEACHERS AT REGENT --

Wendy: WHAT A TREAT

FOR THE STUDENTS.

Pat: IT IS.

WE'RE AN EDUCATIONAL

INSTITUTION, BUT IF OUR

STUDENTS CAN LEARN

SOMETHING THAT GIVES THEM

A LEG UP, BY ALL MEANS,

LET'S DO IT.

Wendy: HOLLYWOOD,

HERE WE COME.

> UP NEXT, IT IS A

BOOTCAMP FOR TEENS, BUT

THE DRILL INSTRUCTORS

AREN'T TRAINING THESE

CADETS FOR THE MILITARY.

GIVING THEM THE WORD OF

GOD THROUGH OUT DOOR

ADVENTURE.

Wendy: THAT'S NEXT.

Pat: WELL, ARE OUR

YOUNG MEN BEING TURNED

INTO WHIMPS?

IS THAT WHAT IS HAPPENING

ON COLLEGE CAMPUSES.

DO YOU BELIEVE THEY HAVE

TO APOLOGIZE FOR BEING

MASCULINE.

THEY HAVE TO APOLOGIZE FOR

BEING WHITE.

THEY'VE GOT TO POP GIZE APOLOGIZE

FOR BEING MALE.

IT IS CRAZY WHAT IS

HAPPENING AT COLLEGE

CAMPUSES.

NOT AT REGENT UNIVERSITY.

ON MANY COLLEGE CAMPUSES

MASCULINITY USED TO BE

LOOKED AT SOMETHING TO BE

DESIRED.

AND NOW IT IS SOMETHING

SHAMEFUL.

WOULD YOU WANT A WHIMP?

Wendy: NO.

I LIKE MANLY MEN.

AND THEY ARE SCARCELY OUT

THERE.

Pat: BY THE TIME

THEY'RE LITTLE KIDS, THEIR

FEMNIZED.

IT IFEMININEIZED.

> THERE IS A GROUP THAT

WANTS TO TEACH BOYS WHAT

IT IS TO BE A GODLY MAN.

WE ASKED CHUCK HOLTON TO

GO OUT AND FIND OUT ABOUT

THESE MASCULINE MEN.

Reporter: IT IS

5 a.m., DEEP IN THE

ALABAMA BACK WOODS.

AND THE QUIET NIGHT IS

ABOUT TO GET VERY BUSY.

20 YOUNG MEN ROLL OUT OF

THEIR SLEEPING BAGS AND

BEGIN A WEEK-LONG

ADVENTURE THAT WILL PUSH

THEM TO THE VERY LIMITS OF

THEIR ENDURANCE.

IT IS CALLED "THE

CHALLENGE."

IT IS A TRAINING CAMP,

GIVING BOYS A GOOD LOOK

INSIDE THEMSELVES AND A

GOOD IDEA OF WHAT IT WILL

TAKE TO BECOME A MAN.

THEY COME FROM AS FAR

AWAY AS WEIMING FO WYOMING TO GET

THIS TRAINING THAT THEY

CAN'T GET ANYWHERE ELSE.

[YELLING]

MY NAM IS TIMOTHY

ELLENIS, AND I'M 18.

I WANTED TO BE MOLDED MORE

AS A MAN AND I WANTED TO

BE CHALLENGED.

Reporter: HE IS ONE

OF THE OLDEST IN THE

CURRENT CLASS.

MOST ARE BETWEEN 14 AND

17.

I THINK IT REALLY

HELPED ME TO FACE A LOT OF

CHALLENGES, MAYBE WITH MY

JOB, MY FAMILY, GETTING

MARRIED.

THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE

DETAILS.

AND THIS HERE IS REALLY

BUILDING ME TO LOOK AT MY

EVERY MOVE.

WHAT AM I DOING?

WHY AM I DOING IT?

LOOKING FOR MY PURPOSE.

IF YOU CAN DO IT

OUTDOORS, THE TIMOTHY

GROUP WANTS TO TEACH THAT.

Reporter: BRUCE

STANSBURY HEADS UP THE

PROGRAM.

BY AGE NINE, A YOUNG

MAN IS TRYING TO AS S ASSESS

HOW LIFE IS SUPPOSED TO

WORK.

WE WANT TO GET THE WORD OF

GOD INTO THAT YOUNG MAN'S

HEART RIGHT AWAY.

OUR GOAL IS TO BUILD A

LEGEND OF YOUNG MEN IN

AMERICA THAT WHEN THEY GO

OFF TO COLLEGE, THEY GO TO

WORK, THEY WERE IMPACT

THEIR ENVIRONMENT.

Reporter: SINCE THE

YEAR 2000, MORE THAN 3,000

YOUNG MEN FROM ATTENDED

THE TRAINING.

A LOT OF FOLKS ASK US,

BECAUSE WE DO

MILITARY-TYPE TRAINING,

ARE YOU A MILITARY

INDOCTRINATION PROGRAM?

AND WE'RE NOT.

WE JUST USE THAT TO CATCH

THE ATTENTION OF THE YOUNG

MEN.

THEY'VE GOT BIBLE STUDY

AND FIREARMS TRAINING AND

MEDICAL AND HAND TO HAND

COMBAT.

WE DO WEAPONS TRAINING

NOT TO MAKE THEM A

MARKSMAN.

I COULD CARE LESS IF THEY

EVER PICK UP A WEAPON

AGAIN OR JOIN THE ARMY OR

THE NAVY, BUT WE WANT THEM

TO LEARN THE IMPORTANCE OF

LISTENING AND OBEDIENCE.

Reporter: JOSEPH

MCGOWAN CAME THROUGH THE

COURSE AS A STUDENT AND

THEN WENT ON TO THE

MILITARY AND NOW SERVES AS

A POLICEMAN IN GARLAND,

TEXAS.

WE TEND TO THINK A LOT

HIGHER OF OURSELVES THAN

WE REALLY ARE.

AND WHEN YOU FACE

CHALLENGES AND YOU REALIZE

YOU CAN'T DO IT AND YOU

REALIZE YOU NEED OTHERS,

AND YOU REALIZE YOUR A

FINITE PERSON, YOU NEED

GOD TO COME IN.

BUT YOU COULD BE SO MUCH

MORE AS LONG AS YOU

PARTNER WITH ME AND OTHER

MEN.

THE ISSUE WITH OUR SOCIETY

RIGHT NOW IS WE'VE BECOME

SOFTER AND SOFTER.

WE'RE TOLD THAT

MASCULINITY IN GENERAL IS

SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD

PUT AWAY.

AND BRINGING THEM OUT HERE

GIVES THEM AN OPPORTUNITY

TO PULL THEM AWAY FROM

THAT COMFORT ZONE AND PUSH

THEM HARD, HOPING THEY

REALIZE THEY'RE CAPABLE OF

A LOT MORE AND THEY NEED

OTHERS.

HOPEFULLY TO MOTIVATE THE

STUDENTS TO SAY, I CAN BE

THAT NOW.

IT IS PUSHING YOURSELF AND

ALLOWING GOD TO TAKE OVER

AND MOVE YOU PLACES.

Reporter: SOME OF

THOSE WHO HAVE GRADUATED

FROM THIS COURSE HAVE GONE

ON TO THE MILITARY AND

OTHERS TO SERVICE

PROFESSIONS.

AND RECENTLY A GROUP

HEADED TO IRAQ TO HELP

PROVIDE MEDICAL SUPPORT

FOR THOSE ENGAGED IN THE

FIGHT AGAINST ISIS.

THE TIMOTHY GROUP IS HOPE

MANY LIKE-MINDED MEN WILL

STEP UP AND MAKE A

DIFFERENCE FOR AMERICA AND

AROUND THE WORLD.

GETTING THE WORD OF GOD

INTO A MAN THROUGH OUTDOOR

ADVENTURE IS THE BEST OF

BOTH WORLDS.

Reporter: I'M CHUCK

HOLTON FOR CBN NEWS.

Pat: HOW ABOUT THAT?

CHUCK, GOOD FOR YOU.

CHUCK GOES OUT AND REPORTS

ON THOSE THINGS, AND

THAT'S REALLY NICE.

WE DIDN'T HAVE A NUMBER OR

AN ADDRESS, BUT I'M SURE

SOMEBODY HERE AT CBN CAN

GET IT FOR YOU IF YOU'RE

INTERESTED.

> OKAY, YOU WENT OUT TO

TALK TO ONE OF THE MOST

PROMINENT WRITERS AND

SINGERS OF CHRISTIAN

MUSIC.

Wendy: DARLENE

ZSCHECH.

SHE WAS WITH HILLSONG.

AND HER WORSHIP SONGS ARE

HEARD IN CHURCHES AROUND

THE WORLD, BUT THAT

DOESN'T MEAN HAD SHE HAS

NEVER QUESTIONED GOD.

HE SAID, I WANT YOU TO

BELIEVE, DAUGHTER, HOW

MUCH I LOVE YOU.

AND IT TOOK ME DAYS TO

ANSWER.

Wendy: BUT WHEN SHE

FOUND HER ANSWER, IT

CHANGED HER LIFE.

SHE'LL EXPLAIN WHY, COMING

UP.

Wendy: DARLENE

ZSCHECH IS THE SONGWRITER

BEHIND SONGS SUCH AS

"SHOUT TO THE LORD," AND

"WORTHY IS THE LAMB."

I TALKED TO HER ABOUT HER

LATEST PROJECT, AND SHE

TOLD ME IT WAS AS A RESULT

OF A BATTLE FOR HER LIFE.

*

Wendy: KNOWN AS A

WORSHIP LEADER WHO BRINGS

PEOPLE STRAIGHT INTO THE

PRESENCE OF GOD, DARLENE

ZSCHECH HAS WRITTEN OVER

100 SONGS, SONG BY

MILLIONS OF WORSHIPPERS

WORLDWIDE.

SHE HAS PERFORMED ON AND

HELPED PRODUCE ONE

PLATINUM AND 16

GOLD-SELLING HILLSONG

ALBUMS.

SHE IS A BEST-SELLING

AUTHOR, CANCER SURVIVOR,

AND NOW SENIOR PASTOR OF

"HOPE UNLIMITED CHURCH,"

WITH HER HUSBAND, MARK.

Wendy: SOME PEOPLE

MAY NOT REALIZE, DARLEEN,

BUT YOU LEFT HILLSONG SIX

YEARS AGO.

YOU HE.

Wendy: WHY?

THERE WAS A SENSE OF

FRUSTRATION.

IT WAS NOT ANYTHING.

BUT I THINK GOD DOES THAT

SOMETIMES WHEN HE WANTS TO

SHIFT YOU OUT OF

SOMETHING.

I COULDN'T REALLY PUT

WORDS ABOUT IT.

MARK SAID TO ME LITERALLY

ONE DAY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO

HAVE AN ADVENTURE?

AND I'M, LIKE, WHAT ARE DO

YOU MEAN?

ARE WE TALKING

FLY-FISHING?

HE SAID, THERE IS A LITTLE

CHURCH UP ON THE CENTRAL

COAST AND THEY NEED A

PASTOR, WHAT DO YOU THINK?

IN OUR WHOLE MARRIED LIFE

THE ONLY THING WE SAID WE

EVER DIDN'T WANT TO BE WAS

SENIOR PASTORS.

Wendy: AND YOU STILL

SING?

I STILL SING AND I

STILL WORSHIP.

IT IS WHAT GOD HAS GIVEN

ME TO DO.

Wendy: YOUR

RELATIONSHIP WITH THE LORD

IS SO REAL, BUT IT HASN'T

BEEN EASY.

I WANT TO TALK ABOUT YOUR

BATTLE WITH BREAST CANCER.

YEAH.

I HAD BEEN CHASING AND CHAFING AND

GETTING THIS LUMP CHECKED

NUMEROUS TIMES.

THEY JUST SAID IT WAS JUST

FATTY TISSUES.

AT THAT TIME I WAS IN MY

LATE 40s, AND I WAS,

LIKE, WELCOME TO THE

40s.

EVERYTHING IS FATTY

TISSUE, IT SEEMS.

SO I WENT BACK, AND I

SAID, YOU NEED TO BIOPSY

THIS TODAY.

SO BY THE TIME I LEFT THAT

NIGHT, IT HAD BEEN

CONFIRMED THAT IT WAS

BREAST CANCER.

AND THEN A WEEK LATER I

WAS HAVING SURGERY.

Wendy: YOU LOST YOUR

HAIR?

I LOST MY HAIR.

I HAD MY WIG, AND I CALLED

HER BETTY.

AND MY CHURCH, YOU KNOW,

USED TO -- BETTY HAD HER

OWN LITTLE FAN CLUB THERE

FOR A WHILE.

AND I WOULD STILL LEAD

WORSHIP, BUT TO BE HONEST,

YOU'RE BATTLING WITH SO

MANY OTHER FACTORS,

ACTUALLY THAT BECAME A

VERY MINIMAL THING.

Wendy: BUT HERE YOU

ARE, PERFECTLY HEALTHY,

YOU SPENT YOUR ENTIRE LIFE

WORSHIPPING GOD, LEADING

OTHERS IN WORSHIP, SERVING

GOD, AND THEN THIS

HAPPENS.

YEAH.

Wendy: DID YOU ASK

THE QUESTION WHY?

YEAH, I DID.

YOU KNOW --

Wendy: AND I DON'T

THINK THERE IS ANYTHING

WRONG WITH THAT QUESTION.

NO.

AND, ACTUALLY, THAT'S WHAT

I LEARNED.

EARLY ON IN MY CHRISTIAN

WALK, PEOPLE SAID TO ME,

NEVER QUESTION GOD.

BUT, ACTUALLY, I JUST

FOUND HIM TO BE SUCH A

GOOD FATHER.

HE IS SUCH A GOOD FATHER.

AND HE SPOKE TO ME IN

AMAZING WAYS THAT I'M SURE

I NEVER WOULD HAVE LEARNED

SOME OF THESE THINGS ON

MOUNTAINTOPS.

I THOUGHT I KNEW HOW MUCH

HE LOVED ME, BUT THEN ONE

DAY HE ASKED ME, WHAT DO

YOU BELIEVE?

AND I'M, LIKE, I BELIEVE

THIS AND THIS AND THIS AND

THIS.

I WAS A VERY GOOD

CHRISTIAN IN ALL OF MY

ANSWER.

AND HE SAID, NO, NO.

WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE,

DAUGHTER, ABOUT HOW MUCH I

LOVE YOU?

AND IT TOOK ME DAYS TO

ANSWER, BECAUSE I SAID TO

HIM, THIS DOESN'T FEEL

LIKE LOVE.

AND HE IS A GOOD GOD.

HE'S GOT BIG SHOULDERS.

HE SAID OKAY.

I THINK THE BIGGER THE

QUESTION, THE BIGGER THE

ANSWER.

IT MAY BE SICKNESS, IT MAY

BE LOSS, IT MAY BE

DISAPPOINTMENT, BUT

SOMETIMES YOU FEEL LIKE

HEAVEN IS SILENCE, AND

GOD, HOW CAN THIS BE LOVE.

BUT, ACTUALLY, IF YOU GO

BACK TO THE WORD, IT JUST

UNDERPINS EVERYTHING.

IF YOU'RE LISTENING, HE IS

SPEAKING.

AND I THINK SOMETIMES

TROUBLE AND INTENSE

HARDSHIP CAN MAKE US -- IT

MADE ME AT TIMES -- WE

BLOCK OUT YEARS, SHUT OUR

EYES, IT'S, LIKE, TOO

MUCH.

BUT, ACTUALLY, HE'S

SPEAKING.

HE IS ENCOURAGING US.

HE IS LOVING US ALL THE

TIME.

AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT,

THOUGH, BEING IN WORSHIP

AND DECLARING, YOU KNOW,

THE TRUTH OF SCRIPTURE

THROUGH SONG, AND THE THE GOOD

MUSIC GATHERS ALL OF YOU

AND IT HELPS YOU AT A

MOLECULAR LEVEL, AND DOING

ALL THESE THINGS AND

DECLARING THE LIVING WORD

OF GOD, THERE IS NOTHING

QUITE LIKE IT WHEN YOU'RE

HANGING ON TO YOUR LIFE.

*

Wendy: DARLENE, TELL

US HOW YOU'RE DOING NOW?

I FEEL REALLY GOOD.

I TAKE A TABLET NOW THAT

IS PRETTY HARD GOING.

I'VE GOT ANOTHER NINE

YEARS TO GO.

HALLELUJAH.

I FEEL THE GRACE TO DO THE

JENNY.

I'M CANCER-FREE.

I LIVE DIFFERENTLY.

I REFUSE TO LIVE BUSY.

I LIVE VERY INTENTIONALLY.

I DON'T TRAVEL LIKE I USED

TO.

Wendy: SURE.

I EAT DIFFERENTLY.

I PARENT DIFFERENTLY.

SOME OF THE LESSONS THAT

I'VE LEARNED I WISH I'D

LEARNED THEM A LONG TIME

AGO.

I'VE ALWAYS BEEN A

THANKFUL PERSON, BUT I

LIVE MORE THANKFUL TODAY.

*

* YOU ARE GREAT

Wendy: IT IS

DARLENE'S THANKFULNESS FOR

GOD'S LOVE AND

FAITHFULNESS THAT STARTED

HER LATEST PROJECT, "HERE

I AM."

THIS MESSAGE HAS BEEN,

EVERY DAY, LORD, TEACH ME

TO SAY NO MATTER HOW

UNCOMFORTABLE IT IS, NO

MATTER HOW AWKWARD IT

COULD BE -- I DON'T WANT

TO PUT HIS WILL THROUGH MY

LENS.

I JUST WANT HIS WILL.

*

* MY LIFE IS YOURS

* HOLY SPIRIT COME

* MY LIFE IS YOURS

* MY LIFE IS YOURS

Wendy: WELL, DARLENE,

IF YOU'RE WATCHING, THANK

YOU SO MUCH.

THIS WAS A DREAM INTERVIEW

FOR ME.

I'VE BEEN A FAN FOR SO

MANY YEARS.

HER LATEST ALBUM IS CALLED

"HERE I AM: SEND ME."

IT IS FANTASTIC.

AND IT IS AVAILABLE

WHEREVER MUSIC IS SOLD.

> STILL AHEAD, WHEN WE

COME BACK, WE'LL GO BACK

DOWN TO THE LAND UNDER,

AND TV HOST KATHRYN

RENALDA JOINS US LIVE.

RENALDA JOINS US LIVE.

WELCOME BACK TO

WASHINGTON FOR THIS CBN

SNOOZCBNNEWSBREAK.

THE REPUBLICANS HELD ON IN

A SEAT IN KANSAS.

IT IS THE SEAT OF MIKE

POMPEO.

RON ESTEZ WON THE RACE

WITH 53% OF THE VOTE.

BUT IT WAS MUCH CLOSER

THAN HIS EASY VICTORY LAST

NOVEMBER.

DEMOCRATS HAD HOPED THE

WIN THERE WOULD SHOW A

GROWING UNHAPPINESS WITH

PRESIDENT TRUMP.

BUT LEADING REPUBLICANS,

INCLUDING THE PRESIDENT

HIMSELF, THREW THEIR

SUPPORT BEHIND ESTEZ.

> IRAN'S RACE HAS AN

UNEXPECTED CONTENDER, AM

AHMADINEJAD.

HIS CANDIDACY COULD APPEAL

TO HARDLINERS.

AHMADINEJAD IS KNOWN FOR

EXPANDING IRAN'S NUCLEAR

PROGRAM AND QUESTIONING

THE SCALE OF THE JUDGE

HOLOCAUST.

> YOU CAN ALWAYS GET THE

LATEST BY GOING TO OUR

WEBSITE AT cbn.com.PAT

Wendy: PEOPLE WERE

COMING FROM ALL AROUND FOR

HEALING.

THOSE WORDS OPENED KATHRYN

RANALDA'S BOOK.

THROUGHOUT ITS PAGES, SHE

SHARES THE POWER OF THE

HOLY SPIRIT AND HOW YOU

CAN HARNESS IT AS WELL.

TAKE A LOOK.

Reporter: IMAGINE

BEING IN A CONCERT AND

WEARING A BADGE WITH FULL

ACCESS TO ALL AREAS.

KATHRYN SAYS THAT KIND OF

ALL-ACCESS POWER IS

AVAILABLE TO US WHEN WE

PRAY.

SHE AND HER HUSBAND PASTOR

A CHURCH IN AUSTRALIA, AND

SHE IS THE HOST OF A TV

SHOW.

IN HER BOOK, "LIFE WITH

THE HOLY SPIRIT," KATHRYN

SHARES HOW WE CAN

EXPERIENCE A GENUINE

ENCOUNTER WITH THE HOLY

SPIRIT.

Wendy: AND KATHRYN

JOINS US NOW.

WELCOME TO THE SHOW.

GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR

HAVING ME.

Wendy: ABSOLUTELY.

LET'S TALK ABOUT WHEN YOU

FIRST MET THE HOLY SPIRIT.

YOU WERE ONLY 23 YEARS

OLD.

WHAT HAPPENED?

WELL, YOU KNOW, I HAD

HEARD ABOUT THE PERSON OF

THE HOLY SPIRIT, BUT I

DIDN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND

IT.

I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU COULD

TALK TO THE HOLY SPIRIT,

WHETHER THAT WAS EVEN

LEGAL.

BUT THE MORE I LOOKED INTO

THE WORD OF GOD, WHERE HE

TALKS ABOUT BEING OUR

COMFORTER AND OUR TEACHER,

I THINK, I MUST BE ALLOWED

TO TALK TO HIM.

SO I JUST BEGAN TO SAY,

LORD, I WANT TO KNOW YOU.

HELP ME TO KNOW YOU, HOLY

SPIRIT.

I WENT THROUGH A MASSIVE

DELIVERANCE AS THE SPIRIT

OF GOD CAME AND SET ME

FREE FROM FEAR AND

INSECURITY AND BEGAN TO

REVEAL TO ME THE LOVE OF

THE FATHER.

IT BEGAN A LOVE JOURNEY,

ACTUALLY, OF HAVING

SOMEONE WHO KNOWS MY

DEEPEST NEEDS, WHO SPEAKS

MY LOVE LANGUAGE SO

PERFECTLY, WALKING WITH

ME, COMFORTING ME, HELPING

ME ALL THE TIME.

IT HAS BEEN SO BEAUTIFUL.

Wendy: HE SET YOU

FREE OF AN IRRATIONAL FEAR

OF YOUR HUSBAND'S DEMISE,

RIGHT?

THAT'S SO TRUE.

I HAD BEEN BROUGHT UP IN

AN ABUSIVE BACKGROUND AS A

CHILD.

I WAS VERY INSECURE.

AND MY HUSBAND AND I HAD

GOTTEN MARRIED WHEN I WAS

20.

I THOUGHT, HURRAY, I'VE

GOT SOMEONE WHO SIGNED A

PIECE OF PAPER SAYING

HE'LL LOVE ME UNTIL HE

DIES.

AND THEN THE NEXT THOUGHT

WAS, WHAT IF HE DIES?

AND I SAID TO THE HOLY

SPIRIT ONE DAY, I SAID,

LORD, SET ME FREE FROM

THIS FEAR.

AND YOU KNOW, THAT NIGHT

HE CAME.

I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS THE

TIP OF A BIG ICEBERG OF

ALL SORTS OF INSECURITIES

AND LIES I BELIEVED.

AND HE CAME AND DID SUCH A

POWERFUL THING.

HE SHOWED ME A VISION.

I SAW MYSELF AS A CHILD

WITH MY HEAD ON HI LAP.

HIS LAP,

AND HE WAS STROKING MY

HAIR.

DID YOU KNOW THAT THE LORD

IS AFFECTIONATE?

Wendy: YES.

AND I SAW M MYSELF AS A

LITTLE GIRL WITH SUCH AN

UGLY FACE, AND IT WAS

PEELED OFF.

Wendy: AND YOU'RE SO

GORGEOUS.

AND I SAW MYSELF AS A

WOMAN WALKING IN HEAVEN.

AND EVER SINCE HE HAS BEEN

HELPING ME UNDERSTAND MY

IDENTITY IN CHRIST.

Wendy: YOU WRITE THAT

THE HOLY SPIRIT REVEALS

OUR IDENTITY AND OUR

DESTINY.

HOW DOES HE DO THAT?

HE KEEPS REMINDING US

OF THE GREAT NEWS OF

SALVATION.

WHEN WE'VE BEEN BORN

AGAIN, WE BECOME NEW

CREATIONS IN CHRIST.

ALL THINGS ARE PASSED

AWAY.

THE WAY WE USED TO VIEW

OURSELVES AND THE WAY

PEOPLE VIEW OURSELVES NO

LONGER COUNTS.

AND WE BECOME THE

RIGHTEOUS WHO ACTIVELY

LIVE BY FAITH, PUTTING

FAITH IN THE FACT THAT

EVEN IF OUR HEARTS CONDEMN

US, HE IS GREATER THAN OUR

HEARTS.

AND AS HE IS, SO ARE WE IN

THIS WORLD.

AND KNOWING THAT AND

KNOWING THE LOVE THAT HE

HAS FOR US, HELPS US TO

WALK IN A HUMILITY AND A

HOLY CONFIDENCE THAT LET'S

US REALLY DO THE WORKS OF

JESUS.

Wendy: KATHRYN, YOU

DEVOTE A WHOLE CHAPTER TO

FORGIVENESS.

WHY DO YOU DO THAT?

I REALLY BELIEVE AS WE

LET THE HOLY SPIRIT HELP

US KNOW THE LOVE OF GOD,

HE GIVES US POWER TO SHARE

THAT WITH OTHER PEOPLE.

AND INSTEAD OF NEEDING AN

APOLOGY FROM OTHER PEOPLE,

I'M ABLE TO LET GO OF THE

EMOTIONAL DEBTS I THINK

PEOPLE OWE ME AND WALKING

THROUGH FREEDOM.

THE HOLY SPIRIT IS THIS

SPIRIT OF LIBERTY AND

FREEDOM.

HE WANTS TO GIVE HIS POWER

TO FORGIVE THE

UNFORGIVABLE IN THE

NATURAL.

Wendy: AND SOMETIMES

IT IS OURSELVES?

AND THAT'S PROBABLY ONE

OF THE BIGGEST ONES.

Wendy: IT REALLY IS.

WE FORGET THAT.

DO YOU TALK ABOUT THE

BAPTISM OF THE HOLY SPIRIT

IN YOUR BOOK?

VERY MUCH.

I REALLY BELIEVE THAT THE

FATHER WANTS US TO BE

WALKING WITH THE SAME

POWER THAT JESUS WAS

WALKING WITH ON THE EARTH.

I REMEMBER ONCE HEARING

KATHRYN COLEMAN SPEAK

ABOUT THE HOLY SPIRIT.

AND I REMEMBER HER SAYING

THAT EVERYTHING JESUS DID

ON THE EARTH HE DID AS A

MAN, ABSOLUTELY DEPENDENT

ON THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND

THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL

NEVER LET YOU DOWN.

THAT WAS SUCH AN

ENCOURAGEMENT TO ME.

Wendy: HOW DO WE

HARNESS THAT POWER THAT IS

THERE.

THE BIBLE SAYS IF A SON

ASKS A FATHER FOR BREAD,

HE IS NOT GOING TO GET A

STONE.

AND IF HE ASKS HIM FOR A

FISH, HE WASN'T GOING TO

GIVE HIM A SNAKE.

HOW MUCH MORE WILL YOUR

HEAVENLY FATHER GIVE THE

HOLY SPIRIT TO THOSE WHO

ASK.

GOD WANTS TO FILL US AND

OVERWHELM US AND BAPTIZE

WITH THE HOLY GHOST SO

THAT WE CAN WALK WITH

BOLDNESS, TO WITNESS AND

SHARE THE GOOD NEWS OF THE

GOSPEL AND TAKE HIS WORLD

TO THE WORLD.

WEMPLE Wendy: I LIKE WHAT

SID ROSS SAID, AND HE

SAID, "WELCOME TO THE

GREATEST ADVENTURE OF YOUR

LIFE."

AND IT IS AN ADVENTURE.

HOW DID YOUR RELATIONSHIP

WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT

CHANGE OVER THE YEARS?

MY TRUST IN HIM HAS

GROWN.

THE MORE HE HAS REVEALED

HIS LOVE FOR US -- I SPEND

A LOT OF TIME TALKING

ABOUT HOW FAITH WORKS BY

LOVE.

WHEN WE KNOW THE WORD OF

GOD, THE HOLY SPIRIT WANTS

TO STRENGTHEN US AND

EMPOWER US TO WALK IN A

REVELATION THAT IS BEYOND

HUMAN UNDERSTANDING,

BEYOND OUR CAPACITY TO

EVEN EMOTIONALLY

UNDERSTAND OR COMPREHEND.

AS WE GET A REVELATION OF

HIS LOVE, WE THEN HAVE A

HOLY BOLDNESS TO BELIEVE

THAT SUCH AS HE IS, SO AM

I IN THIS WORLD.

WE CAN LAY HANDS ON THE

SICK, SEE THEM RECOVER.

WE CAN APPROACH HIM AND

NOT BE AFRAID OF BEING

REJECTED.

NOT ANY LONGER FEELING

LIKE O ORPHANS ON THE

OUTSIDE, TRYING TO GET HIM

TO DO SOMETHING.

AT THE TOMB OF LAZARUS,

JESUS PRAYED SAYING, I

KNOW YOU HEAR ME, FATHER,

BUT IT IS FOR THE BENEFIT

OF THEM.

AND THAT'S WHAT FELLOWSHIP

OF THE HOLY SPIRIT LOOKS

LIKE.

IF PEOPLE WOULD TAKE TIME

TO DISCIPLINE THEMSELVES

EVERY DAY TO BE AWARE OF

THE HOLY SPIRIT.

LIKE IT SAYS IN PROVERBS,

"ACKNOWLEDGE HIM IN ALL OF

YOUR WAYS."

LIKE HE IS HERE WITH US

NOW.

Wendy: HE IS HERE.

WALK WITH HIM,

ACKNOWLEDGE HIS PRESENCE,

AND SPEND TIME FELLOW

SHIPPING WITH HIM.

READ OUR BIBLES WITH HIM,

AND LET HIM LEAD US.

AND AS WE UNDERSTAND OUR

NEED FOR HIM, THEN WE

REALLY CAN SEE THE WORKS

OF JESUS DONE.

Wendy: I COULD TALK

ABOUT THIS ALL DAY WITH

YOU, BUT WE ARE OUT OF

TIME.

KATHRYN'S BOOK IS CALLED

"LIFE WITH THE HOLY

SPIRIT."

IT IS AVAILABLE

NATIONWIDE.

YOU WANT TO GET A COPY OF

THIS.

IT IS ANOINTED, AND SO ARE

YOU.

GOD BLESS YOU.

GOD BLESS YOU, WENDY.

Pat: THERE IS A GREAT

ANOINTING COMING OUT OF

AUSTRALIA.

> WELL, STILL AHEAD

WE'LL "BRING IT ON."

RUTH SAYS, "I'M GETTING

CLOSE TO THE AGE OF 80.

SINCE WE WILL ALL DIE,

SHOULD WE PRAY FOR HEALING

IN OUR OLD AGE?"

WELL, WE HAVE THE ANSWER

TO THIS AND MORE COMING

UP.

Wendy: WELCOME BACK.

IT IS TIME TO "BRING IT

ON.".

WE DO OUR E-MAIL QUESTIONS

AND PAT IS READY.

RUTH WRITES, "I'M GETTING

CLOSE TO THE AGE OF 80,

SINCE WE ALL MUST DIE, DO

WE PRAY FOR HEALING IN OUR

OLD AGE.

JESUS IS MY LORD AND

SAVIOR, SO I'M NOT AFRAID

OF DYING.

I KNOW YOU'RE OLDER THAN I

AM.

HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH THIS?

I DON'T WANT TO LIVE SO

LONG THAT I OUTLIVE MY

FAMILY."

Pat: LOOK, MY DEAR,

YES, I'M A LOT OLDER THAN

YOU ARE.

WHEN I HIT 80, I THOUGHT I

WAS GOING TO GET OFF THE

AIR.

I RESIGNED FROM REGENT

UNIVERSITY.

AND I'M 80.

IT IS TIME TO PACK IT UP

AND GO SIT ON THE PORCH

AND ROCK AND LOOK AT THE

STARS.

AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN I

WAS GIVEN ANOTHER TASK TO

HEAD UP THE UNIVERSITY

BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT

LEFT.

AND I SUDDENLY HAD AN

INFUSION OF THE HOLY

SPIRIT THAT WAS

UNBELIEVABLE.

IT WAS KIND OF LIKE

WHOOSH, AND I WAS KIND OF

LIKE A NEW CREATURE.

LISTEN, 80 IS NOTHING.

TRUST ME, I'M 87, GOING

ON, AND THEY'RE PRAYING

FOR ME.

I WAS READING TODAY THAT

ANYBODY WHO DIES BEFORE

100 WILL BE CONSIDERED A

YOUTH.

AND ANYTHING SHORT OF THAT

WILL BE CONSIDERED A

DISASTER.

THE AGE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO

HAVE IS 120.

SO ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO

PRAY FOR HEALING?

ABSOLUTELY.

ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO TAKE

CARE OF YOURSELF AND GET

WELL?

ABSOLUTELY.

DO I WORK OUT IN A GYM?

YES.

DO I TAKE ALL SORTS OF

VITAMINS?

YES.

I'M IN THE GYM.

I JUST GOT A NEW TOTAL

GYM.

MY OTHER ONE, THE CABLE

BROKE.

I WAS DOING --

Wendy: WHO WAS IT IN

80 IN THE BIBLE WHO GOT

HIS MOUNTAIN?

CALEB?

Pat: CALEB.

AND HE WAS AS GOOD TO WAGE

WARS WHEN HE WAS 45.

SO GIVE ME THAT MOUNTAIN.

Wendy: CAROL SAYS, "I

SAW PERLMUTTER TALKING

ABOUT WEIGHT LOSS AND

HEALTHY EATING.

I'VE BEEN TRYING TO EAT

LIKE JESUS, AND HE ATE A

LOT OF BREAD.

IS THERE A DIFFERENCE IN

THE BREAD WE HAVE TODAY

AND WHAT JESUS ATE WHEN HE

WAS ON EARTH?"

Pat: NO QUESTION

ABOUT IT.

THE WHEAT AND GRAIN IS

VERY GOOD, BUT WE PROCESS

THE DAL DAY LIGHTS OUT OF.

THE SOIL IT CAME FROM WAS

MORE RICH.

YOU CAN GO ON AND ON.

I WON'T GIVE YOU A LESSON

IN GOOD GRAIN, BUT WHAT

WE'VE GOT NOW, THE SOIL IS

DEPLETED.

THE BREAD IS REFINED.

WE EAT WHITE BREAD.

AND EVEN THE BAD STUFF,

THEY PUT GLUTEN BACK INTO

IT.

BUT THE BREAD HE ATE IS A

WHOLE LOT DIFFERENT.

BUT I DO THINK HE ATE FISH

AND OTHER THINGS.

Wendy: EZEKIEL BREAD

IS REALLY NICE.

THEY MAKE IT IN MUFFINS,

TOO.

Pat: THOSE LADIES

THAT WERE ON THE SHOW, AND

THEY SOLD SO MANY.

THEY WERE BUYING IT FROM

GERMANY.

THEY SOLD OUT.

Wendy: WOW.

JULIAN SAYS, "HELP, MY MOM

THINKS I'M AN IDOLATER

BECAUSE I AM NOT A

CONSERVATIVE."

Pat: IF YOU'RE YOUNG

AND YOU DON'T HAVE LIBERAL

BELIEFS, SOMETHING IS

WRONG WITH YOU.

THE IDEA OF LIBERAL AND

CONSERVATIVE TODAY -- THE

LIBERAL VIEW IS

PROMISCUOUS SEX, ABORTION

ON DEMAND, DIVORCE, NO

FAULT, AND IT GOES ON AND

ON.

IT HAS TO DO WITH THE

DESTROYING OF CHRISTIAN

VALUES.

I DON'T THINK THAT IS TOO

COOL.

BUT MOVING AHEAD, I

BELIEVE IN MANY -- YOU

DON'T GET OSSIFIED.

YOU WANT TO STAY YOUNG AND

YOUR MIND HAS GOT TO STAY

AVAILABLE.

Wendy: MARCEL SAYS,

"I AM WONDERING WHY I

NEVER SEEM TO GET ANY

RESPONSE AT ALL WHEN I'M

IN NEED OR SICK.

AND YET WHEN OTHERS ARE IN

NEED OR SICK, I GIVE THEM

THINGS, FOOD OR MONEY.

IT SEEMS LIKE OTHERS ARE

TOTALLY SELL FIS SELFISH AND THEY

DON'T REALLY CARE."

Pat: IF YOU GIVE, GOD

WILL GIVE TO YOU.

GOD IS YOUR SOURCE.

ALWAYS LOOK TO HIM.

Wendy: AND A LOT OF

TIMES IT IS NOT THE PERSON

YOU HELP THAT HELPS YOU,

GOD USES SOMEBODY ELSE.

Pat: HE IS IN CONTROL

OF ALL OF IT.

THANK YOU FOR WATCHING.

> OUR POWER MINUTE IS

FROM REVELATION: "THEY

TRIUMPH BY THE BLOOD OF

THE LAMB AND BY THE WORD

OF HIS TESTIMONY."

> BY THE WAY, TOMORROW,

MAUNDY THURSDAY, WE'RE

GOING TO BE HAVING

COMMUNION, A LITTLE GRAPE

JUICE, WINE, WHATEVER, AND

WE'LL TAKE COMMUNION

TOGETHER ON THIS SHOW.

Wendy: I'M LOOKING

FORWARD TO THAT.

IT WILL BE SPECIAL.

SEE YOU TOMORROW.

Pat: BYE-BYE.

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