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700 Club Interactive - April 18, 2017

Author Tom Doyle will discuss how Middle Eastern Christians fear God more than they fear terrorists like ISIS. Read Transcript


Gordon: THE

CRUCIFIXION OF CHRIST.

IF THE RESURRECTION

DIDN'T HAP HAPPEN,

CHRISTIANITY IS FALSE.

GO TO THE NEXT RELIGION.

Gordon: THREE

SCHOLARS DISCUSS THE

RELIABILITY OF THAT

WORLD-CHANGING EVENT.

IT IS PRETTY REMARKABLE

HOW STRONG IT IS, AND THAT

IS WHY IT IS AT THE CORE

OF CHRISTIANITY.

Gordon: THAT AND MORE

ON TODAY'S "700 CLUB

INTERACTIVE."

> WELL, WELCOME TO THE

SHOW.

THE APOSTLE PAUL WROTE IN

HIS FIRST LETTER TO THE

CORINTHIANS, "IF CHRIST

HAS NOT BEEN RAISED, OUR

PREACHING IS USELESS AND

SO IS YOUR FAITH."

THE RESURRECTION IS THE

LYNCHPIN ON WHICH THE

CHRISTIAN FAITH DEPENDS.

CBN REPORTER PAUL STRAND

SET OUT TO INVESTIGATE THE

RELIABILITY OF CHRIST'S

RESURRECTION.

Paul: TO BELIEVE THE

EVENTS AROUND THE FIRST

EASTER, YOU PRETTY MUCH

HAVE TO BELIEVE THAT JESUS

DID EXIST AND THE NEW

TESTAMENT CAN BE TRUSTED.

BIBLICAL SCHOLAR JONATHAN

MARROW.

WE HAVE FAR MORE

SOURCES OF JESUS OF

NAZARETH THAN WE DO FOR

MANY HISTORICAL FIGURES IN

THE FIRST CENTURY.

WE HAVE AT LEAST 18.

12 OF THOSE ARE NON

CHRISTIAN SOURCES.

Paul: AS FOR THE NEW

TESTAMENT...

THESE BOOKS ARE THE

BEST ATTESTED PIECES OF

ANCIENT LITERATURE WE

SUPPOSPOSSESS.

Paul: THE BIBLE HAS

FAR MORE PAGES SURVIVING

THAN ANY OTHER BOOK FROM

ANTIQUITY.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT

OVER 5800 GREEK

MANUSCRIPTS, OVER 8,000

THE LATIN MANUSCRIPTS.

MOST BOOKS WE WORK WITH

FROM THE ANCIENT WORLD

HAVE, AT BEST, MAYBE A

DOZEN MANUSCRIPTS.

Paul: MARROW SAYS

EVERYTHING HANGS ON IF

JESUS CHRIST ROSE FROM THE

DEAD.

PAUL MADE THE ARGUMENT,

YOU CAN TEST THIS.

IF THE RESURRECTION DIDN'T

HAPPEN, CHRISTIANITY IS

FALSE.

WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR

NOT, IF THE RESURRECTION

DIDN'T HAPPEN,

CHRISTIANITY IS FALSE.

GO TO THE NEXT RELIGION.

Paul: BUT CHRISTIAN

EXPERTS SAY TO DISMISS THE

RESURRECTION, ANY THEORY

YOU COME UP WITH HAS TO

EXPLAIN THREE HISTORICAL

FACTS: THAT THERE WAS AN

EMPTY TOMB THREE DAYS

AFTER JESUS' BODY WAS

PLACED IN IT, AND HE

APPEARED IN OVER 700

PLACES DAYS LATER.

AND SOME SUGGEST THAT THE

APOSTLES ALL DIED TO TURN

HIS DEATH INTO THE

POSITIVE OF A RISEN LORD.

BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT

ALL THE WAY THROUGH, IT IS

ACTUALLY EASIER TO BELIEVE

IN THE RESURRECTION THAN

ITS ALTERNATIVES.

SOME SUGGEST THE FEMALE

DISCIPLES WHO FIRST FOUND

THE EMPTY TOMB MIGHT HAVE

JUST HAD THE WRONG TOMB.

BUT SURELY THE JEWISH

LEADERS WHO HAD ROMAN

GUARDS PLACED THERE WOULD

HAVE QUICKLY CORRECTED

THAT MISTAKE.

IF YOU'RE GOING AROUND

CLAIMING THAT JESUS WAS

PHYSICALLY RAISED FROM THE

DEAD AND PEOPLE KNEW WHERE

HE WAS BURIED, THAT

MESSAGE WOULDN'T EVEN GET

OFF THE GROUND.

Paul: THESE DISCIPLES

NEW THIS...

IN THE RESURRECTION,

WHERE WAS THE HARDEST

PLACE IN THE WORLD TO CON

FINS ANYONE IT WAS TRUE IF

IT WAS FALSE?

JERUSALEM.

WHERE A 15-MINUTE WALK

ABOUT ANYONE CAN CONFIRM

THE EMPTINESS OF THE TOMB.

AND THEN THEY SAID, YOU

WERE THERE, YOU SAW IT.

Paul: MATTHEW 28

POINTS OUT THE JEWISH

LEADERS BRIBED THE TOMB'S

GARDENS TO SAGUARDS TO SAY THEY HAD

FALLEN ASLEEP AND THE

DISCIPLES STOLE HIM.

BUT IF THEY WERE ASLEEP,

HOW WOULD THEY HAVE KNOWN

IT WAS THE DISCIPLES.

AND IF THEY KNEW IT,

YOU WOULD HAVE TO SAY HE

ARE THESE MEN WHO NOT ONLY

DIED FOR A LIE, BUT THEY

KNEW IT WAS A LIE.

I CHALLENGE YOU TO FIND

OTHERS IN THE HISTORY THAT

IS TRUE OF.

IT IS NOT.

YOU DON'T DIE KNOWINGLY

FOR SOMETHING THAT YOU

KNOW YOU MADE UP.

YOU WOULD BACK OFF.

AND THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN

EITHER.

Paul: THESE AND OTHER

EXPERTS SAY THAT IN TRUTH,

IT TAKES SOMETHING AS

RADICAL AS JESUS'

RESURRECTION TO SO

COMPLETELY TRANSFORM

COWARDLY PETER, WHO WAS SO

SCARED BEFORE THE

CRUCIFIXION, HE SWORE HE

DIDN'T EVEN KNOW JESUS.

YOU SEE PETER GOING

FROM COWARD TO THIS

COURAGEOUS CHAMPION, WHO

IS SAYING, HERE I STAND.

THIS IS WHAT I'M SAYING.

THIS IS WHAT IS TRUE.

Paul: AND JESUS'

BROTHER, JAMES, WAS

INSTANTLY CHANGED.

JAME'S DIDN'T FOLLOW

JESUS DURING HIS EARTHLY

MINISTRY.

JAMES THOUGHT HE WAS

EMBARRASSING THE FAMILY,

EVERYTHING.

AND THEN JESUS APPEARED TO

HIM IN JAMES' ONLY WORD,

AND HE BECAME THE LEADER

OF THE CHURCH OF

JERUSALEM.

AND JAMES BECOMES AN

EARLY LEADER IN THE CHURCH

AND WAS PERSECUTED AND

EVENTUALLY KILLED FOR THAT

BELIEF.

Paul: AND APOLOGISTS

SAYS IT COULD ONLY BE A

RESURRECTED JESUS SHOWING

UP LATER COULD COULD TURN

HIM INTO THE MAIN

MISSIONARY.

HE WENT FROM CITY TO

CITY, CASTING HIS VOTE TO

HIM IMPRISONED AND

EXECUTED, BUT IN HIS OWN

WORDS, CHRIST APPEARED TO

HIM.

THE MAIN THING IS

EXPLAINING HOW SOMEONE

LIKE A SAUL, WHO BECOMES

PAUL, EVEN EXISTS.

HE WAS HOLDING THE CODE

WHEN PEOPLE WERE KILLING

THE FIRST CHRISTIANS.

HE WAS ADAMANTLY APPOSED

TO THIS FIRST MOVEMENT,

AND THEN HE BECAME A

CHRISTIAN.

WHAT ACCOUNTS FOR THAT?

ONE OF THE GREATEST

MURDERERS, FROM A

CHRISTIAN HATER TO A

CHRISTIAN LOVER, SOMETHING

HAPPENED IN PAUL'S LIFE

THAT I'VE NEVER FOUND ANY

OTHER EXPLANATION THAT

EVEN COMES CLOSE TO

SATISFYING ME EXCEPT JESUS

APPEARED TO PAUL AFTER THE

RESURRECTION.

Paul: THE FIRST

CENTURY JEWS BELIEVE WOMEN

WERE SECOND-CLASS

CITIZENS.

SO IF THE DISCIPLES WERE

LYING, THEY MADE THEIR

STORY ALL THE HARDER TO

ACCEPT BY PUTTING WOMEN AT

THE FOREFRONT.

MATTHEW, MARK, LUKE,

AND JOHN ALL ACCOUNT WOMEN

FINDING THE EMPTY TOMB.

IN A CENTURY WHERE A

WOMAN'S TESTIMONY WOULD

HAVE ABOUT A STEP ABOVE A

SLAVE, THAT WOULDN'T BE

THE WAY YOU WOULD GO.

YOU WOULD NEVER MAKE UP

THE STORY THIS WAY.

SO THE REASON THE STORY IS

THIS WAY IS BECAUSE IT

MUST BE GROUNDED IN WHAT

HAPPENED.

Paul: SAYING THAT THE

DISCIPLES LIED ABOUT

JESUS' RESURRECTION

DOESN'T EXPLAIN HIS

APPEARANCE BEFORE 1500

PEOPLE.

YOU'VE GOT LIVING

HISTORY.

YOU'VE GOT THE PEOPLE WHO

WERE THERE TO CROSS-CHECK

WHATEVER MESSAGE IS THERE.

IT IS NOT AS IF NO ONE

WOULD HAVE CHALLENGED IT.

YOU HAVE THIS IDEA, THERE

ARE WITNESSES.

GO INVESTIGATE HIM.

IT HAS ALL THE RING OF

TRUTH AND NOT THE RING OF

A CONSPIRACY THEORY.

AND A LOT OF PEOPLE

THEN SAY, WELL, THE

APPEARANCE OF JESUS WAS

HALLUCINATIONS.

500 PEOPLE AT ONE TIME.

Paul: BUT HE STUDIED

THE RESEARCH ON

HALLUCINATIONS, AND NO TWO

PEOPLE EVER HAVE THE SAME

TWO HALLUCINATIONS.

BECAUSE IT IS ALL

INTERNAL, SUBJECTIVE.

WOULD 500 PEOPLE HAVE THE

SAME HALLUCINATION?

PAUL WOULD BE 500 MIRACLES

EQUAL TO THE RESURRECTION.

Paul: BUT HE DOES SAY

TO ACCEPT THE

RESURRECTION, YOU DO HAVE

TO BELIEVE IN GOD.

IF IT IS AT LEAST

POSSIBLE THAT GOD EXISTS,

THEN MIRACLES BECOME

POSSIBLE.

IT IS PRETTY REMARK HOW

STRONG THE EVIDENCE IS,

AND THAT'S WHY IT IS AT

THE CORE OF CHRISTIANITY.

BUT IT IS NOT A

BLIND-FAITH KIND OF THING.

CHRISTIANS DON'T BELIEVE

THAT JESUS ROSE FROM THE

DEAD BECAUSE THE BIBLE

SAID SO.

THEY BELIEVE HE ROSE FROM

THE DEAD BECAUSE THAT'S

WHAT THE EARLIEST AND BEST

HISTORICAL DOCUMENTS SHOW,

AND THAT'S THE BEST

EXPLANATION OF THE DATA.

Paul: PAUL STRAND,

CBN NEWS.

Gordon: WELL, THERE

IS ANOTHER ONE.

CHRISTIANS BELIEVE HE ROSE

FROM THE DEAD BECAUSE OF

WHAT HE HAS DONE FOR US

INDIVIDUALLY.

IT IS OUR TESTIMONY.

WE GET TO BE WITNESSES OF

HIM, AS TO WHAT HE HAS

DONE FOR US.

YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT

MATTHEW, MARK, LUKE, AND

JOHN, AND THEY ALL HAD A

GOSPEL.

YOU AND I CAN HAVE A

GOSPEL.

THE GOOD NEWS OF WHAT

JESUS HAS DONE FOR US.

AND THE-PROO THE PROOF OF THE

RESURRECTION IS THAT, THAT

HE IS STILL ALIVE.

HE IS THE SAME YESTERDAY,

TODAY, AND FOREVER.

AND IF YOU HAVE ANY DOUBTS

ABOUT IT, JUST BRING YOUR

DOUBTS TO HIM.

IT IS A VERY SIMPLE

PRAYER.

JESUS, IF YOU'RE REAL,

COULD YOU SHOW ME?

COULD YOU SHOW UP FOR ME?

COULD YOU BE MESSIAH FOR

ME?

AND IF YOU PRAY THAT WITH

ALL OF YOUR HEART, HERE IS

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS: "IF

YOU SEEK ME WITH ALL OF

YOUR HEART, THEN YOU'LL

FIND ME."

YOU CAN HAVE YOUR OWN

EVIDENCE.

YOU CAN HAVE YOUR OWN

GOSPEL.

IT'S ONLY A PRAYER AWAY.

> WELL, UP NEXT,

CHRISTIANS IN THE MIDDLE

EAST ARE SUFFERING, BUT

YOU'LL BE ENCOURAGED BY

THE STORIES OF THOSE WHO

ARE STANDING STRONG.

STANDING IN THE FIRE

AUTHOR TOM DOYLE JOINS US

NEXT.

EAST IS A VOLATILE WAR

ZONE.

IT IS ALSO A PLACE WHERE

GOD'S CHURCH IS GROWING

AND STANDING STRONG.

TAKE A LOOK.

Reporter: GLOBAL

TERRORISM IS AT AN

ALL-TIME HIGH.

MILLIONS OF MIDDLE EAST

CHRISTIANS EXPERIENCE

BRUTAL PERSECUTION FOR

THEIR FAITH EVERY DAY.

BUT THAT'S NOT THE WHOLE

STORY.

IN THE MIDST OF THE CHAOS

CAUSED BY ISIS AND OTHER

JIHADIST FACTIONS, A

GROWING NUMBER OF FEARLESS

FOLLOWERS OF JESUS CHRIST

ARE RISKING THEIR OWN

LIVES TO SHARE THE GOSPEL.

SOME OF THESE COURAGEOUS

CHRISTIANS ARE FORMER

MUSLIMS, AND SOME ARE

FORMER PASTORS.

TOTOM DOYLE TELLS THEIR

STORY IN A NEW BOOK,

"STANDING IN THE FIRE."

Gordon: WELL, TOM

DOYLE IS WITH US.

IT'S GREAT TO BE HERE.

Gordon: ALL OF THE

NEWS SOURCES ARE SAYING

THAT CHRISTIANITY IS DYING

AND THE MIDDLE EAST.

THE ANCIENT CHRISTIAN

CHURCHES AND THE CHALDEAN

CHURCH, ALL BIB WIPE BEING WIPED

OUT, BUT YOU'RE SAYING

THERE IS SOMETHING ELSE

GOING ON?

YOU CAN SAY THERE IS A

MASS EXODUS IN THE MIDDLE

EAST, BUT THEY CAN NEVER

ACCOUNT FOR THE MUSLIMS

WHO ARE BECOMING

CHRISTIANS AND WHO ARE

STAYING.

IRAN IS THE FASTEST

GROWING CHURCH IN WORLD

RIGHT NOW.

Gordon: WHERE ARE YOU

GETTING THAT FACT?

BECAUSE THAT IS AMAZING?

O OPERATION WORLD IS THE

ENCYCLOPEDIA OF MISSIONS,

AND THEY RANKED IRAN AS

THE FASTEST GROWING

CHURCHES.

I THINK IT GOES BACK TO

WHEN JESUS SAID, I WILL

BUILD MY CHURCHES IN THE

GATES OF HELL, BUT THEN

AYATOLLAH CAME AND SAID,

WE'RE GOING TO CRUSH THE

CHURCHES.

SO WHO IS GOING TO WIN ON

THAT?

AND IT HASN'T HAPPENED.

WE KNOW OF AT LEAST TWO

MILLION BELIEVERS IN IRAN

TODAY.

SOME SAY THERE COULD BE AS

MANY AS THREE OR FOUR

MILLION, BUT I DON'T KNOW

THAT.

BUT THE CHURCH IS GROWING,

AND THEY'RE FRUSTRATED

WITH ISLAM, AND THEY'RE

EMBRACING JESUS.

Gordon: THAT'S

WONDERFULMENT.

IWONDERFUL.

IT'S AWESOME.

Gordon: WALK US

THROUGH -- WHAT IS IT LIKE

FOR A CHRISTIAN IN IRAN?

THEIR NEIGHBORS COULD

BE TURNING THEM IN.

THEY DON'T KNOW HOW LONG

THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE

TO WALK WITH CHRIST

WITHOUT GETTING A TICKET

TO EVAN PRISON.

MANY OF THE CHURCHES MEET

IN THE MIDDLE OF THE

NIGHT, THE UNDERGROUND

CHURCHES.

WE HAVE A FRIEND THAT

PASTORS SEVEN CHURCHES,

GORDON, ONE EVERY NIGHT OF

THE WEEK.

THEY MEET FROM MIDNIGHT TO

3:00.

THESE PEOPLE HAVE REAL

JOBS.

THEY MEET IN THE MIDDLE OF

THE NIGHT.

IT IS THE ONLY TIME WHEN

IT IS SAFE.

THEY NEVER MEET AT THAT

SAME PLACE TWICE.

THEY MOVE IT AROUND.

THEY HAVE TO BE CAREFUL

EVERY SINGLE TIME.

THEY FACE PRISON.

THEY FACE DEATH.

AND I THINK WHAT'S SO

SPECIAL ABOUT THEM IS THAT

IT IS JUST IN THEIR D.N.A.

THAT THEY ARE WILLING TO

BE PERSECUTED WHEN THEY

COME TO FAITH IN CHRIST.

IN FACT, MANY THAT LEAD

MUSLIMS TO CHRIST IN THE

MIDDLE EAST WILL ASK THEM

TWO QUESTIONS, BEFORE THEY

PRAY TO RECEIVE CHRIST,

ARE YOU WILLING TO SUFFER

FOR JESUS CHRIST?

IF THEY ANSWER YES, ARE

YOU WILLING TO DIE FOR

JESUS CHRIST?

IT IS A REAL POSSIBILITY.

AND THEY SAY YES.

Gordon: MOST OF THESE

BELIEVERS ARE WHAT WE CALL

MUSLIM-BACKGROUND

BELIEVERS.

THE ANCIENT CHURCH

TRADITIONS ARE BEING

PERSECUTED AWAY, AND ARE

REFUGEES NOW.

RIGHT.

Gordon: SO THE

CHRISTIANS THAT ARE

ARRIVING AND THE

CHRISTIANS THAT ARE

STAYING ARE ALL MUSLIM

BACKGROUND.

THAT'S RIGHT.

Gordon: HOW ARE THEY

COMING TO FAITH IN JESUS?

YOU WOULD THINK THEY WOULD

JUST REJECT IT OUT OF

HAND.

ABSOLUTELY.

I THINK ISLAM IS BEING

SHOWN FOR WHAT IT TRULY

IS, AND THEY'RE REJECTING

IT.

THE YOUNG PEOPLE --

LISTEN, WE'VE BEEN TO THE

GREAT MOSQUE IN DAMASCUS.

THERE IS NOT MANY YOUNG

PEOPLE HANGING OUT THERE.

THEY'RE IN THE MALLS

LISTENING TO THEIR MUSIC

AND THAT.

I THINK MANY ARE REJECTING

IT.

THEY ARE SEEING ISLAM FOR

WHAT IT IS.

I THINK THERE IS THIS

SPECTACULAR, AND JESUS

KUMING TCANISCOMING TO THEM IN DREAMS

AND VISIONS.

WE WROTE ABOUT.

AND, THIRD, THEY'RE SEEING

THAT THE LOVE AND THE JOY

THAT THE BELIEVERS HAVE,

THE CHRISTIANS.

ONE SYRIAN REFUGEE FAMILY

SAID, REALLY, THE ONLY

PEOPLE THAT LOVED US IN

SYRIA WERE THE BIBLE

PEOPLE.

THE BIBLE PEOPLE DIDN'T

WANT ANYTHING.

THEY DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE

OUR KIDS.

THEY DIDN'T WANT TO HURT

US.

THEY WANTED TO HELP FEED

US.

AND THEY SOON CAME TO

FAITH IN CHRIST.

Gordon: WELL, YEAH,

THAT'S AN ONGOING MIRACLE.

IT REALLY IS.

IT IS THE MOST DANGEROUS

PLACE IN THE WORLD.

THIS IS WHERE RELIGION,

POLITICS, AND HISTORY

COLLIDE.

THAT'S WHY I'M THANKFUL

FOR ALL OF YOU HERE

SORTING THAT OUT FOR US

EACH DAY.

BUT, YEAH, MUSLIMS ARE

COMING TO FAITH IN CHRIST,

AND THEY'RE WILLING TO DIE

FOR JESUS.

WOW!

Gordon: WHAT WOULD

YOU TELL CHRISTIANS IN THE

WEST?

NUMBER ONE, HOW CAN WE

HELP THE PERSECUTED

CHURCH?

WE MAY NOT BE CALLED TO

BE PERSECUTED HERE, BUT I

THINK IT WILL BE COMING --

BUT PAUL SAYS, IF ONE OF

US SUFFERS, WE ALL SUFFER.

WE HAVE A Facebook PAGE,

838, AND WHEN PEOPLE GET

ON THAT, THEY GET UPDATES

IN REALTIME, WITH THE

SITUATION WITH THE

CHRISTIANS, AND WE PRAY

AND WE SET OUR WATCHES AND

OUR PHONES -- WHATEVER YOU

USE TO TELL TIME WITH, TO

8:38, AND WHENEVER THAT

GOES OFF AT NIGHT, WE PRAY

FOR THE CHRISTIANS IN

PERSECUTION AND IN DANGER.

AND THERE ARE MANY

CHRISTIANS CELEBRATING IN

PRISON THROUGHOUT THE

MIDDLE EAST AND NORTH

KOREA.

Gordon: LET'S TALK

ABOUT YOUR BOOK, NIGHT, "STANDING

IN THE FIRE."

AND, AGAIN, THE ODD THING

FOR ME IS THEY DON'T WANT

TO LEAVE.

THEY WANT TO STAY.

WHY?

THEY BELIEVE THAT GOD

CALLED THEM TO STAY THERE,

THAT THERE IS A MISSION

FOR THEM TO COMPLETE.

THAT THERE CAN'T BE AN

EXODUS OF BELIEVERS THERE.

AND WHAT BETTER WAY FOR

THEM TO REACH THEIR

COUNTRY THAN TO STAY AND

REACH OUT WITH THE LOVE OF

CHRIST.

FROM THOSE WHO COME FROM

AN ISLAMIC STATE

BACKGROUND.

JABAT al-NUSRA, THERE IS

A LEADER FROM THAT GROUP,

A TOMORROW GROUP, THAT

STAYED AND NOW HE IS A

MARKED MAN, BUT HE SAYS,

AS LONG AS I LIVE, I'M

GOING TO BE TELLING PEOPLE

ABOUT JESUS.

SOME WERE WITH THE ISLAMIC

STATE IN MOSUL THAT HELPED

KICKED THE CHRISTIANS OUT,

HAVE COME TO FAITH IN

CHRIST.

YOU WOULD THINK THE FIRST

THING THEY WOULD DO IS

HEAD FOR THE HILLS, BUT

THEY'RE NOT.

THEY'RE STAYING.

THEY BELIEVE THEY'RE

SUPPOSED TO STAY.

WHETHER THEY'RE PERSECUTED

OR THEY'RE GOING TO DIE,

THEY ARE STAYING.

Gordon: THAT IS

HUMBLING.

IT REALLY IS.

AND SOME LEADERS THAT WE

WORK WITH IN SYRIA HAVE

BUILT A GRAVEYARD BECAUSE

THEY KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO

DIE FOR JESUS THERE.

AND 25 OF THEM PITCHED

THEIR MONEY IN, AND THEY

SENT E-MAILS SAYING, HE IS

MOVING.

WHEN YOU SEND THINGS OUT

OF SYRIA, YOU'VE GOT TO BE

A LITTLE CAREFUL.

HE IS MOVING, WE'VE GOT

MANY NEW FRIENDS, AND

THERE IS MORE GOOD NEWS:

THE GRAVEYARD IS STILL

EMPTY.

JESUS IS KEEPING THEM

ALIVE.

Gordon: HE HAS WAYS

OF WATCHING OVER YOU.

YOU CAN STAND IN THAT FIRE

AND HE'LL PROTECT YOU.

IT IS HUMBLING.

AS A CHRISTIAN, YOU COME

TO THE DECISION, OKAY, I'M

GOING TO LIVE FOR HIM.

OKAY.

TO DIE IS GAIN, I'VE GOT

THAT MENTALLY, BUT TO LIVE

IT EVERY DAY AND NOT

KNOWING IS TODAY THE LAST

DAY, HOW WOULD THAT CHANGE

YOU?

AND FARED, ONE OF OUR

PEOPLE IN SYRIA, HE SAID

WHEN YOU ONLY LIVE FOR

TODAY, THERE IS SOMETHING

LIBERATING ABOUT IT.

YOU REALLY DON'T LIVE FOR

TOMORROW.

YOU DON'T HAVE A FIVE-YEAR

PLAN.

IF IT IS GOD'S WILL FOR

YOU TO LIVE THROUGH THE

DAY, YOU GET UP TOMORROW

AND SEE WHAT HE HAS FOR

YOU TO DO.

Gordon: THE BOOK IS

CALLED "STANDING IN THE

FIRE: COURAGEOUS

CHRISTIANS LIVING IN

FRIGHTENING TIME."

AND YOU CAN GO TO OUR

WEBSITE OR YOU CAN FIND IT

WHEREVER BOOKS ARE SOLD.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE

BOOK, TOM.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

Gordon: AFTER A LIFE

OF CRIME, HE GAVE HIS LIFE

TO GOD, ONLY TO CONTRACT A

DEADLY DISEASE.

FIND OUT WHY DOCTORS

CALLED HIS RECOVERY A

Gordon: YEARS OF DRUG

ABUSE FINALLY CALL UP WITH

DONALD NALLY.

THE HARD-CORE ADDICT HAD

BEEN THROWN IN JAIL YET

ANOTHER TIME.

BUT THIS TIME HE WAS

STARING AT A 25-YEAR

PRISON SENTENCE, AND HE

WAS DIAGNOSED WITH WHAT

DOCTORS CALLED THE WORST

CASE OF HEPATITIS "C" THEY

HAD EVER SEEN.

THE FIRST TIME I SHOT

HEROIN INTO MY VEINS, IT

JUST TOOK ME OUT OF THE

WORLD.

Reporter: DONALD

NALLY STRUGGLED WITH DRUG

ADDICTION MOST OF HIS

LIFE.

HE STARTED USING WHEN HE

WAS 10.

SOON AFTER HIS MOTHER

DIED.

WHAT DRUGS DID FOR ME,

THEY BASICALLY HELPED ME

ESCAPE REALITY AND THE

PAIN OF THINGS.

Reporter: OVER THE

NEXT 34 YEARS, DONALD USED

EVERY TYPE OF DRUG HE

COULD GET HIS HANDS ON.

HE WAS OFF TO A DRUG

DEALER AND SPENT YEARS

BEHIND BARS, BUT HE COULD

NEVER ADMIT HE WAS

DESTROYING HIS LIFE.

I NEVER CAME TO THE

TRUTH THAT WHAT I WAS

DOING WAS HARMING MYSELF

OR ANYONE ELSE.

IT WAS LIKE AN ENDLESS

CYCLE.

Reporter: THAT

CHANGED ONE DAY WHEN HE

ALMOST OVERDOSED ON

HEROIN.

I KNEW I WAS DYING, AND

I SAID, BASICALLY, GOD, I

NEED YOUR HELP.

I'M SICK AND TIRED OF

BEING SICK AND TIRED.

I CAN'T LIVE LIKE THIS

ANYMORE.

Reporter: HE SURVIVED

A NEAR OVERDOSE AND SOON

FACED ANOTHER ARREST.

HE FACED 25 YEARS WITH NO

PAROLE.

WAITING TO BE SENTENCED,

HE CRIED OUT TO GOD.

IF YOU GET ME OUT OF

THIS MESS, I'LL TRY TO DO

RIGHT BY YOU.

AND I HEARD THIS WHISPER

IN MY EAR, AND IT WAS

ECCLESIASTES.

AND IT TOTALLY STUNNED ME.

AND I LOOKED AROUND.

AND I WAS, LIKE, WHOA,

WHOA, WHOA, WHAT'S GOING

ON HERE?

I SAID, ARE YOU TALKING TO

ME, GOD?

Reporter: DONALD

FOUND A BIBLE AND STARTED

READING THROUGH THE BOOK

OF ECCLESIASTES.

HE REPENTED OF HIS SINS

AND SURRENDERED HIS LIFE

TO GODMENT.

>GOD.

IT WAS LIKE THE WORDS

OF THE BIBLE CAME TO LIFE.

AND THEY SHOT STRAIGHT

INTO MY SOUL.

AND I GOT DOWN ON THE

FLOOR WITH MY FACE TO THE

FLOOR, AND I SAID,ED GOD,, GOD, I

HAVE NO DOUBTS THAT YOU

JUST SPOKE TO ME BY YOUR

VOICE SOMEHOW AND THROUGH

YOUR WORD.

SO WHETHER YOU GET ME OUT

OF THIS MESS OR NOT, I

WANT TO DO RIGHT BY YOU,

BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW.

YOU HAVE TO SHOW ME HOW.

Reporter: DONALD SAYS

GOD ALSO DELIVERED HIM

FROM HIS ADDICTIONS.

BUT TWO WEEKS LATER, HE

BEGAN TO FEEL SICK AND

WENT TO THE INFIRMARY.

A BLOOD TEST REVEALED HE

HAD HEPATITIS "C" FROM HIS

YEARS OF INTRAVENOUS DRUG

USE.

THE DOCTOR TOLD DONALD IT

WAS THE WORST CASE HE'D

EVER SEEN.

HE SAID YOU'LL BE LUCKY

IF YOU LIVE PAST SIX

WEEKS.

WHEN THE DOCTOR GAVE ME

THAT REPORT, I QUOTED THE

WORD OF GOD BACK TO HIM.

I SAID, YOU DON'T KNOW WHO

JESUS IS, DO YOU?

I SAID, JESUS IS MY

SAVIOR.

NOT ONLY IS HE MY SAVIOR,

HE IS MY REDEEMER.

NOT ONLY IS HE MY

REDEEMER, HE IS MY HEALER.

Reporter: DONALD SAYS

THE DOCTOR DIDN'T

PRESCRIBE MEDICATIONS

BECAUSE HE BELIEVES HIS

ILLNESS WAS TERMINAL.

DONALD WAS QUARANTINED,

AND WHILE ALONE IN HIS

CELL, HE BEGAN READING

SCRIPTURES AND TRUSTED GOD

FOR HIS HEALING.

I WOULD LITERALLY TAKE

THOSE SCRIPTURES INTO MY

SPIRIT, AND AS MY SPIRIT

GOT STRONGER, I BELIEVE

THAT'S WHAT PUSHED THE

DISEASE OUT OF MY BODY.

BECAUSE THE ONE WORKING IN

ME WAS STRONGER THAN THE

DISEASE THAT WAS ON ME.

Reporter: SIX WEEKS

LATER, DONALD SAYS HE WOKE

UP ONE MORNING FEELING

DIFFERENT.

AT THIS TIME, WHEN I

KNEW THAT I KNEW THAT I

WAS HEALED, I JUST GOT THE

REVELATION OF IT.

THE POWER OF GOD DIDN'T

HIT ME IN ANY POWERFUL WAY

OR ANYTHING.

I WISH I COULD TELL YOU IT

DID, BUT IT DIDN'T.

IT WAS, LIKE, I WOKE UP

ONE MORNING AND THE LIGHT

JUST CAME ON; YOU'RE

HEALED.

IT'S DONE.

Reporter: DONALD WENT

BACK TO THE DOCTOR FOR A

CHECKUP.

HE WAS SO SURE OF HIS

HEALING, HE ASKED TO BE

RETESTED.

WHEN THE DOCTOR COME

BACK WITH THOSE TESTS, HE

WAS SCRATCHING HIS HEAD

LIKE THIS.

AND HE SAID, I DO NOT

UNDERSTAND THIS.

HE SAID THIS FIRST REPORT

SAYS THAT YOUR LIVER WAS

TOTALLY DETERIORATED, BUT

THIS TEST HERE SAYS IT

LOOKS LIKE YOU GOT A BRAND

NEW LIVER.

AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT.

YOU'RE THE MOST HEALTHIEST

PERSON I'VE EXAMINED IN A

WHILE.

AND ALL I COULD DO WAS

LOOK AT HIM AND SAY, I

TOLD YOU JESUS WAS GOING

TO HEAL ME.

I TOLD YOU.

Reporter: DONALD WENT

BEFORE THE JUDGE A SHORT

TIME LATER, AND ALL

CHARGES BUT ONE WERE

DROPPED.

HE LEFT JAIL AFTER JUST

FIVE MONTHS, SAVED,

HEALED, AND DELIVERED.

TODAY DONALD IS MARRIED TO

KATHLEEN, AND THEY TRAVEL

THE WORLD SHARING THE

GOSPEL OF JESUS AND THE

MESSAGE THAT GOD STILL

HEALS.

WHEN JESUS SAID IT WAS

FINISHED, HE MEANS IT IS

FINISHED.

AND BECAUSE OF THE

MIRACLES GOD HAS WORKED IN

MY OWN LIFE, WE HAVE SEEN

GOD WORK MIRACLES IN

OTHERS' LIVES.

IT IS HIS WILL TO HEAL, TO

DELIVER, AND TO ALWAYS SET

PEOPLE FREE.

AND SIMPLY BECAUSE HE

LOVES US.

Gordon: AND THAT'S

HIS WILL FOR YOU.

SIMPLY BECAUSE HE LOVES

YOU.

DON'T MAKE IT COMPLICATED.

DON'T GET INTO SOME SORT

OF, WELL, I'VE GOT TO DO

SO MANY GOOD THINGS BEFORE

GOD WILL TALK TO ME OR BE

WITH ME.

HE LOVES YOU.

HE LOVES YOU INFINITELY.

HE DIED FOR YOU.

AND IF YOU WANT THE

EVIDENCE OF THAT, ALL YOU

HAVE TO DO IS DO WHAT

DONALD DID.

HE JUST PRAYED.

LORD, IF THERE IS

SOMETHING YOU CAN DO WITH

ME, IF THERE IS SOMEHOW,

SOME WAY, COULD YOU SHOW

UP FOR ME.

AND HE HEARD ONE WORD.

A LITTLE WHISPER.

ECCLESIASTES.

AND HE STARTED READING THE

BIBLE.

AND GOD CHANGED HIS LIFE.

HE DELIVERED HIM.

HE HEALED HIM.

BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, HE

SAVED HIM AND SHOWED HIM

THAT HE COULD BE WITH HIM

FOR ALL ETERNITY.

THAT SAME THING CAN HAPPEN

TO YOU IF YOU DO THE SAME

THING THAT DONALD DID.

WHAT DO YOU DO?

YOU SAY, GOD, COULD YOU

SHOW UP FOR ME?

YOU HEARD WHAT HE SAID.

IT'S LIKE HE TURNED ON THE

LIGHT.

AND THAT'S WHAT THE BIBLE

SAYS.

I WILL MANIFEST MYSELF.

HE WILL TURN ON THAT LIGHT

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