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700 Club Interactive - May 17, 2017

Pastor John Gray says you might feel like an underdog, but God sees your hidden value and is growing you for better things. Read Transcript


Gordon: HE'S A FORMER

STANDUP COMIC, AN

ASSOCIATE PASTOR OF

AMERICA'S LARGEST CHURCH

AND A REALITY TV STAR.

JOHN GRAY SHARES HOW HE

WENT FROM FEELING

OVERLOOKED TO THRIVING ON

TODAY'S "700 CLUB

INTERACTIVE."

GOOD MORNING, AND WELCOME

TO THE SHOW.

IN THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL

ELECTIONS, LIKE MANY

ELECTIONS, WE SAW PASTORS

AND CHURCH LEADERS ON

DIFFERENT PLATFORMS

ENDORSING POLITICIANS AND

HAVING MANY DIFFERENT

POINTS OF VIEW.

Terry: THE INDIVIDUAL

WALL SEPARATING CHURCH AND

STATE CAME DOWN RECENTLY

AT AN INTERNATIONAL

GATHERING OF PASTORS AND

MINISTRY LEADERS, IT WAS

AN UNDERLYING THEME OF A

PANEL DISCUSSION ON

POLITICS AND THE PULPIT.

ACCORDING TO BISHOP T.J.

JAKES, MANY FOCUSED MORE

ON POLITICS AND LEADERSHIP

THAN CHRIST JESUS.

THE WELL-KNOWN PASTOR,

AUTHOR, AND CHURCH LEADER

BELIEVES THAT CHURCH HAS

BECOME AN IMPOSTER TO

POLITICS.

THE PROBLEM THAT THE

CHURCH FINDS IS THAT WE

FIND OURSELVES HAVING TO

HOOK OUR WAGON TO ONE

POLITICAL SIDE OR THE

OTHER, WHEN THE TRUTH OF

THE MATTER IS WE DON'T

TOTALLY AGREE WITH EITHER

SIDE ABOUT EVERYTHING.

[APPLAUSE]

THAT TH THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT

THIS CONVERSATION WOULD BE

IMPORTANT TO HAVE IS

BECAUSE WE END UP WITH

DEBRIS AND CONTAMINATION

WHEN WE ATTACH OUR

IDENTITY TO EITHER ENTITY.

THIS IS GOD'S CHOICE OF

THE BODY OF CHRIST.

[APPLAUSE]

WE HAVE REALLY BECOME

PROSTITUTES TO POLITICS.

Gordon: WELL, LEADERS

AND PASTORS DEBATED THE

RESPONSIBILITY OF THE

CHURCH AND DISCUSSED WAYS

TO HOLD POLITICIANS

ACCOUNTABLE TO ADDRESSING

THE NEEDS OF EVERY DAY

AMERICANS ON ISSUES LIKE

POVERTY AND HUNGER.

AND WHAT DO YOU THINK OF

THOSE COMMENTS?

Terry: WELL, I THINK

HE IS PROBABLY TRUE -- IT

IS PROBABLY TRUE.

IN SOME WAYS I FEEL LIKE

THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY HAS

NOT DONE A VERY GOOD JOB

OVER THE YEARS OF SOUNDING

LIKE THEY UNDERSTAND THE

NEEDS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE

IMPOVERISHED OR IN NEED.

AND I THINK THE LIBERAL

PARTY HAS KIND OF WALKED

OVER THE FEELINGS OF THOSE

WHO WANT TO RETAIN

ORIGINAL, YOU KNOW, VALUES

AND CULTURAL THINGS THAT

HAVE BEEN A PART OF THE

AMERICAN WAY FROM EARLY

ON.

Gordon: YOU CAN SEE

IT LINE UP IN THE POLLS,

IF YOU'RE AN AGNOSTIC OR

ATHEIST, YOU'RE DEFINITELY

GOING TO GO TO ONE

PARTICULAR PARTY.

JUST IN THE LAST ELECTION,

EVANGELICALS TURNED OUT

FOR THE OTHER PARTY.

AND SO THERE SEEMS TO BE A

DIVIDE, NOT JUST

POLITICALLY, BUT NOW BASED

ON BELIEF.

AND ARE YOU A PERSON OF

FAITH?

Terry: AND MAYBE THE

THING THAT IS MOST

TROUBLING ABOUT TODAY'S

SCENARIO IS THE VIOLENT

REACTION THAT I WOULD FEEL

TO YOU IF YOU WERE ON THE

OTHER SIDE.

IT'S LIKE WE DON'T HEAR

EACH OTHER ANYMORE.

Gordon: OH, NO.

AND I BELIEVE THE POLITICS

HAS GOTTEN SO DIVIDED,

THERE ISN'T A WAY TO

EFFECTIVELY GOVERNOR

UNLESS ONE PARTY IS IN

COMPLETE CONTROL.

THERE IS JUST GOING TO BE

DEADLOCK AND GRIDLOCK, AND

WE'VE SEEN THAT OVER THE

PAST TWO ADMINISTRATIONS.

ARE WE GOING TO SEE IT

AGAIN?

I DON'T KNOW.

BUT HERE IS THE ROLE OF

THE CHURCH -- AND I'VE

SAID THIS BEFORE AND I'LL

SAY IT AGAIN: THE CHURCH

NEEDS TO BE THE CONSCIENCE

OF OUR SOCIETY.

AND AS THAT CONSCIENCE, WE

SPEAK OUT ON MORAL ISSUES,

ISSUES THAT THE BIBLE IS

VERY CLEAR ABOUT.

AND IF WE LOSE THAT

CONSCIENCE BASED ON

POLITICAL PARTISANSHIP, WE

NEED TO REALIZE BOTH

PARTIES MESS UP.

BOTH PARTIES AREN'T

ADHERING TO ANY KIND OF

BIBLICAL STANDARD, AND WE

NEED TO SPEAK FOR THE

POOR.

WE NEED TO SPEAK FOR THE

OPPRESSED.

WE NEED TO SPEAK FOR

JUSTICE.

AND WE NEED TO SPEAK FOR

TRUTH.

AND WE NEED TO UPHOLD THE

FREEDOMS THAT WE ALL HAVE,

INCLUDING FREEDOM OF

CONSCIENCE, WHICH INCLUDES

WHATEVER FAITH YOU HAVE,

AS WELL AS IF YOU HAVE NO

FAITH AT ALL.

WE NEED TO DEFEND OUR

RIGHTS AS AMERICANS, BUT

DEFEND THEM BASED ON OUR

CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLES THAT

THESE ARE THE THINGS IN

BOTH THE OLD AND THE NEW

TESTAMENT.

Terry: YOU WOULD LIKE

TO THINK THAT THE BOOK

COULD BE THE BRIDGE.

Gordon: WELL, I THINK

THE CHURCH SHOULD RISE UP

TO BE THAT BRIDGE.

AND INSTEAD OF BEING KNOWN

FOR WHAT WE'RE AGAINST,

CAN WE BE KNOWN FOR LOVE,

AND CAN WE BE KNOWN FOR

ACCEPTANCE, AND BE KNOWN

AS A SAFE PLACE TO GO TO

HAVE THESE KINDS OF

DISCUSSIONS?

Terry: ABSOLUTELY.

SPEAKING OF THE CHURCH OR

CHURCHES, GRAMMY-WINNING

RAP ARTIST KENDRICK LAMA

THINKS CHURCHES WOULD

BENEFIT MORE IF THEY

FOCUSED ON GOD'S RIGHTEOUS

JUDGMENT AND NOT PREACHING

WATERED-DOWNED MESSAGES.

Gordon: HE SHARED THE

BASIC TEACHINGS LEFT HIM

UNSATISFIED IN HIS FAITH.

HE FEELS THAT TOO MANY

CHURCHES FAIL TO ADDRESS

THE HARD TRUTHS ABOUT THE

CHRISTIAN FAITH.

SAYING, "AS A COMMUNITY,

WE WERE TAUGHT TO PRAY FOR

OUR MISHAPS AND HE'LL

FORGIVE YOU.

YES, THIS IS TRUE.

BUT HE'LL ALSO REPRIMAND

US AS WELL.

AS A CHILD, I CAN'T RECALL

HEARING THIS IN SERVICE.

MAYBE LEADERS OF THE

CHURCH KNEW IT WOULD RUN

OFF THE CHURCH-GOERS.

I WANT TO SPREAD THIS

TRUTH TO MY LISTENERS.

IT IS A JOURNEY, BUT IT

WILL BE MY KEY TO THE

KINGDOM, AND THEIRS AS

WELL."

ESTABLISHMEN Terry: KENDRICK SAID

WHILE STUDYING HIS FAITH,

HE SAID WHILE LEARNING

THAT GOD IS MERCIFUL, HE

IS ALSO A JEALOUS GOD WHO

DEMANDS DISCIPLINE AND

OBEDIENCE.

Gordon: YOU REAP WHAT

YOU SOW.

GOD IS NOT MOCKED.

AND THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES

TO YOUR ACTION.

I KNOW IN MY LIFE,

CONSEQUENCES HAVE

DEFINITELY COME TO PASS

WHEN I WAS DOING THINGS

THAT I KNEW I SHOULDN'T --

Terry: AFTER A WHILE,

YOU GET THAT MESSAGE.

Gordon: NOT JUST GET

IT, BUT YOU RUN INTO THAT

BRICK WALL.

AND YOU'VE GOT TO REALIZE

GOD IS NOT MOCKED.

YES, IS HE GRACIOUS AND

LOVING?

YES.

BUT, PLEASE, THE RULES, IF

YOU WILL, IN THE BIBLE

AREN'T THERE TO HURT YOU,

AREN'T THERE TO KEEP YOU

FROM THINGS.

IT IS TO KEEP YOU OUT OF

TROUBLE.

AND WHEN YOU OBSERVE THEM,

WHEN YOU LIVE BY THEM,

THEN WONDERFUL THINGS WILL

HAPPEN.

> WELL, IN OTHER NEWS,

CHINA IS SEEING AN

EXPLOSION OF FAITH AS

UNDERGROUND CHURCHES ARE

DRIVING A RELIGIOUS

REVOLUTION DESPITE

INCREASING PERSECUTION.

CHINA AID REVEALED THAT A

TOTAL OF 20,000 CHINESE

CHRISTIANS SUFFERED

PERSECUTION IN 2015, BUT

THIS ONLY SPURRED THE

GROWTH OF CHURCHES.

THIS REVOLUTION IS BEING

DRIVEN BY THE PERSONAL

SEARCH FOR NEW MORAL

GUIDELINES LACKING IN THE

COUNTRY'S COMMUNIST

IDEOLOGY.

Terry: CHINA'S

UNREGISTERED CHURCHES HAVE

BECOME ORGANIZED, MEETING

VERY OPENLY, AND OFTEN

COUNTING HUNDREDS OF

MEMBERS.

THE NUMBER OF PROTESTANTS

HAVE GONE FROM ABOUT ONE

MILLION WHEN THE

COMMUNISTS TOOK POWER TO

AT LEAST 60 MILLION TODAY.

MR. YANG, A PROFESSOR OF

SOCIOLOGY AT PERDUE

UNIVERSITY, BELIEVES THAT

THE NUMBER OF CHRISTIANS

IS CHINA IS GROWING SO

PAST, THAT BY 2030, THE

CHRISTIAN POPULATION WOULD

EXCEED 237 MILLION.

THAT WOULD MAKE CHINA THE

BIGGEST CHRISTIAN NATION

IN THE WORLD, AHEAD OF

MEXICO, BRAZIL, AND THE

UNITED STATES.

Gordon: THAT IS A

GOOD STATISTIC.

I'VE HEARD THAT BEFORE

WHEN I LIVED IN ASIA, THE

GROWTH OF THE CHINESE

CHURCHES WAS ABSOLUTELY

PHENOMENAL.

AND THEY ARE ON FIRE.

THEY'RE VERY DEDICATED.

AND WOULDN'T IT BE

WONDERFUL TO SEE THAT?

A HEARTY AMEN.

SPEAKING OF CHINA, MOO MAO

SEVERELY PERSECUTED.

IN THE 1960s, CHURCHES

AND TEMPLES WERE

DESTROYED.

CATHOLICS, MONKS AND

PRIESTS WERE BEATEN AND

KILLED AND SENT TO LABOR

CAMPS.

NOW A MASSIVE CHURCH IS

BEING BUILT, AND WHEN

COMPLETED WILL BE BIGGER

THAN ANY STATUE OF MAO.

Terry: THE CHURCH IS

PART OF A $617 MILLION

PARK BEING CONSTRUCTED IN

THE CAPITAL OF THE HUNON

PROVINCE.

IT MEASURES 260 FEET TALL.

THIS SYMBOL OF HOPE IS A

FAR CRY FROM THE DARK DAYS

OF MAO CULTURAL REVOLUTION

AND DECADES OF COMMUNIST

RULE.

IT IS GOING TO OPEN THIS

SUMMER AND IT WILL BE

QUITE THE FACILITY.

Gordon: THAT WOULD BE

WORTH THE TRIP, TO GO SEE

IT.

CONGRATULATIONS TO THE

CHURCH IN CHINA.

THE OLD ADAGE: THE BLOOD

OF THE MARTYRS IS THE SEED

OF THE CHURCH.

AND ALL OF THAT REPRESSION

IN THE '40s, '50s,

'60s, WE'RE NOW SEEING

AN INCREDIBLE FLOWERING OF

CHRISTIANITY.

> COMING UP NEXT, DO YOU

FEEL OVERLOOKED,

UNDERVALUED OR FORGOTTEN?

PASTOR, AUTHOR, AND

REALITY TV STAR JOHN GRAY

SHARES HOW YOU CAN FIND

PURPOSE AND FULFILLMENT,

AFTER THIS.

Gordon: HE IS AN

ACTOR, A SINGER, A COMIC,

AND THE ASSOCIATE PASTOR

OF THE LARGEST CHURCH IN

TEXAS.

BUT JOHN GRAY IS ALSO

SOMETHING ELSE: HE IS THE

CHILD OF A SINGLE MOM.

TAKE A LOOK.

Reporter: JOHN GRAY

IS THE ASSOCIATE PASTOR AT

JOEL OSTEEN'S LAKEWOOD

CHURCH IN HOUSTON, TEXAS.

JOHN'S TALENT DOESN'T STOP

AT THE PULPIT.

HE HAS TOURED WITH KIRK

FRANKLIN AND ENTERTAINED

THOUSANDS AS A STANDUP

COMIC.

BUT GROWING UP, JOHN WAS

UNPOPULAR AND NEVER

IMAGINED HE COULD DO ANY

OF THOSE THINGS.

IN HIS BOOK, "I AM NUMBER

EIGHT," JOHN SAYS EVERYONE

HAS A PURPOSE, EVEN IF

THEY FEEL FORGOTTEN.

HIS NEW SHOW, "THE BOOK OF

JOHN GRAY," AIRS ON THE

OWN NETWORK ON SATURDAYS

AT 10 p.m.

Gordon: JOINING US

NOW IS JOHN GRAY.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

IT IS AN HONOR TO HAVE

YOU.

I'M HONORED TO BE HERE.

THANK YOU.

Gordon: TELL US YOUR

CHILDHOOD.

YOU'RE GROWING UP WITH A

SINGLE MOM --

YEAH.

MOM AND DAD DIVORCED WHEN

I WAS ABOUT 4 AND A HALF,

PROBABLY CLOSE TO 5.

I SAW MY FATHER FOUR TIMES

IN MY LIFE.

BUT MY MOTHER DIDN'T ALLOW

HIS ACTIONS AND HIS

ADDICTIONS AND THE CHOICES

HE MADE TO STOP HER FROM

RAISING ME TO KNOW THE

LORD.

SHE DIDN'T JUST TALK ABOUT

THE BIBLE, SHE LIVED IT.

SHE WAS THE EXAMPLE OF

JESUS TO ME AND TO MANY

OTHERS.

SHE WAS THE CHURCH

PIANIST.

SHE WAS A WOMAN OF PRAYER,

EVERY DAY, EVERY NIGHT,

MORNING AND EVENING.

AND WHEN MY FATHER WALKED

AWAY FROM OUR FAMILY, SHE

DID NOT STOP -- IT DID NOT

STOP HER FROM GOING AFTER

HER GOALS.

SHE WORKED FULL-TIME

DURING THE DAY, WENT TO

COLLEGE AT NIGHT, AND

ENDED UP GRADUATING WITH

HONORS TO GET HER DEGREE

IN SOCIAL WORK.

WENT ON TO AN EXTREMELY

SUCCESSFUL CAREER IN

SOCIAL WORK IN THE STATE

OF OHIO.

SO MY MOTHER WAS ALWAYS AN

OVERACHIEVER, BUT SHE

ALWAYS GAVE CREDIT TO THE

LORD JESUS.

AT SEVEN YEARS OLD, I KNEW

WHO JESUS WAS.

AT 13, I KNEW I WAS CALLED

TO MINISTRY.

AT 21, I GAVE MY FIRST

SERMON.

BUT THOSE MARKERS WERE

ALSO HIGHLIGHTED BY THE

PLACES OF FEELING

UNDERVALUED, OVERLOOKED,

AND LAUGHED AT.

KIDS CAN BE VERY CRUEL

WHEN YOU DON'T FIT IN TO

THE CULTURAL NORMS.

MY MOTHER MADE IT CLEAR I

WAS GOING TO BE A VIRGIN

WHEN I GOT MARRIED.

SO I WAS ALWAYS MADE FUN

OF BECAUSE I WASN'T

SLEEPING WITH THE GIRLS

AND I WASN'T AT THE

PARTIES DRINKING.

AND THERE WAS A TIME WHEN

I DID KIND OF RESENT ALL

OF THIS, YOU KNOW,

INVESTMENT THAT MY MOTHER

WAS MAKING INTO MY SPIRIT.

BUT NOW I'M SO GRATEFUL

SHE DIDN'T MOVE FROM HER

CONVICTIONS.

BECAUSE MY MOTHER WASN'T

CALLED TO BE MY FRIEND.

SHE WAS CALLED TO BE THE

SPIRITUAL INFLUENCE.

Gordon: LET ME STOP

YOU WITH THAT.

WHY DID YOU FEEL THE

RESENTMENT?

BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF

CHILDREN RAISED IN THE

CHURCH SHARE THAT.

BECAUSE YOU ARE A

PRODUCT OF THE SOCIETY

THAT YOU LIVE IN.

AND SO WHETHER IT'S

CULTURE, WHETHER IT'S

MEDIA, ARTS,

ENTERTAINMENT, THE THINGS

THAT MY MOTHER WAS

ESPOUSING WERE NOT THINGS

THAT WERE CONSTANTLY

REINFORCED ON TELEVISION.

SO SHE WAS RAISING ME

AGAINST THE GRAIN OF A

SOCIETY THAT SAYS THERE

ARE NO LIMITS.

LIVE HOW YOU WANT.

DO WHAT YOU WANT, DRINK

WHAT YOU WANT.

SLEEP WITH WHO YOU WANT.

MY MOTHER SAID, IN MY

HOUSE WE'RE GOING TO SERVE

THE LORD.

AT ONE POINT SHE WOULDN'T

LET ME WATCH FOOTBALL ON

SUNDAY.

AND I SAID, MOM, WE'RE

BAPTISTS.

WE CAN WATCH TV.

MY MOTHER WAS COMMITTED

BECAUSE SHE HAD A PERSONAL

ENCOUNTER WITH JESUS.

AND NOW I LOOK AT THE LIFE

THAT I'M LIVING, WHICH IS

A SUPER NATURAL TOUCH OF

GOD -- THERE IS NOTHING IN

MY BACKGROUND THAT SAYS I

SHOULD BE HERE SITTING

ACROSS FROM YOU.

THEY ASKED ME EARLIER,

WHEN I WAS SPEAKING WITH

ONE OF YOUR STAFF MEMBERS,

THEY SAID, WHAT DO YOU

THINK OF WHEN I SAY CBN.

I SAID LEGACY.

YOUR GRANDFATHER WAS A

SENATOR, AND YOUR FATHER

STARTED THIS, AND NOW

YOU'RE HERE IN THIS SEAT.

MY FATHER DIDN'T LEAVE ME

A LEGACY OF A GOOD HUSBAND

AND FATHER, BUT I CAN

BEGIN THAT.

EVEN THOUGH I DIDN'T START

THERE, I CAN BEGIN

SOMETHING NEW.

THAT WAS INSTILLED BY A

WOMAN WHO WOULDN'T STOP

PRAYING FOR ME.

THAT'S WHAT, TO ME, MY

LIFE REPRESENTS, THE POWER

OF A PRAYING PARENT WHO

WOULD NOT LET IT GO.

Gordon: WHAT WOULD

YOU SAY TO SOMEBODY WHO IS

IN THAT SAME POSITION,

THAT THEY WERE RAISED IN

THE CHURCH, THEY FELT

CALLED TO MINISTRY, BUT

THEY HAD THAT RESENTMENT?

I'M NOT ABLE TO

PARTICIPATE IN CULTURE,

I'M NOT ABLE TO CELEBRATE

HALLOWEEN, OR WHATEVER.

WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO

THEM?

I THINK THIS IS WHAT I

LEARNED: GOD WASN'T

KEEPING ME FROM THINGS.

HE WAS KEEPING ME FOR A

THING.

I THINK WHAT THE CHURCH

NEEDS TO DO IS STOP

APOLOGIZING FOR THE

ANOINTING.

MANY TIMES WE OFFER

ALTERNATIVES BECAUSE WE

DON'T LIFT UP THE VALUE OF

HAVING A GODLY HERITAGE.

WE ARE FIGHTING AGAINST

CULTURE WHEN I BELIEVE THE

CHURCH SHOULD BE THE

EPICENTER OF FAITH AND

CULTURE AND FAMILY LIFE.

THE FIRST CHURCH IN ACTS

HAD ALL THINGS COMMON AND

DISTRIBUTED TO EACH ONE

THAT HAD NEED, AND THE

CHURCH GREW DAILY.

AND SO THERE WAS AN ASPECT

OF NOT JUST THE SPIRITUAL

SIDE BUT THE INTERACTION

OF ONE TO THE OTHER,

BUILDING FAMILIES

TOGETHER.

WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT SENSE

OF COMMUNITY.

SO WHEN YOU'RE LIVING IN A

CULTURE THAT DOESN'T

CELEBRATE YOUR VALUE

SYSTEM, OF COURSE

RESENTMENT IS GOING TO

RISE UP.

BUT IF YOU SURROUND

YOURSELF WITH LIKE-MINDED

BELIEVERS, AND I'M NOT

SAYING TO SHUT OFF

SOCIETY -- THAT'S NOT WHAT

JESUS EVER WANTED US TO

DO -- BUT WHAT I BELIEVE

IS THAT WE ARE CALLED TO

BE INFLUENCES OF CULTURE.

BUT IF YOU'RE YOUNG, LIKE

I WAS -- I SAID THIS TO

GOD, I SAID, LORD, I'M

REALLY FRUSTRATED BECAUSE

I DON'T WANT TO BE LIKE

THE PREACHERS THAT I'VE

SEEN.

THEY SEEM TO SAY ONE THING

AND LIVE ANOTHER.

I WANT TO BE ME, I WANT TO

LAUGH AND JOKE AND ALL OF

THESE OTHER THINGS.

CAN I BE THAT?

AND HE SAID, THAT'S WHY I

CALLED YOU, TO BE

AUTHENTICLY YOU.

HE SAVES YOUR SOUL, BUT HE

SANCTIFIES YOUR

PERSONALITY.

HE ENHANCES WHO I AM.

SO MY SALVATION UNLOCKS

THE OTHER PARTS OF MY

PERSONALITY.

SO MY LAUGHTER AND SINGING

IS NOW FILTERED THROUGH

THE HOLY SPIRIT.

SO THAT'S WHAT I HAD TO

LEARN.

BEING OVERLOOKED AND

MARGINALIZED AND BEING

MADE FUN OF ARE ACTUALLY

THE FOUNDATION FOR WHERE I

AM NOW AS A MAN.

THE IDEA OF THE BOOK, "I

AM NUMBER EIGHT," OR EVEN

THE TV SHOW, IS THAT GOD

CAN TAKE SOMEBODY WHO IS

REALLY NORMAL AND DO

SOMETHING SUPER NATURAL IF

YOU STAY SUBMITTED.

Gordon: YES.

> YOU HAVE A CHAPTER IN

THE BOOK CALLED "DEAR

DAD."

IS THAT TO YOUR DAD?

YEAH.

IT IS A PLAY ON WORDS

BECAUSE THE BIBLE SAYS WE

CRY OUT WITH THE SPIRIT OF

ADOPTION OF OUR FATHER.

BUT ALSO DEAR DAD, IN THE

SENSE THAT MY FATHER --

EVEN THOUGH I DID NOT HAVE

A DEEP RELATIONSHIP WITH

HIM, I STILL HONOR HIM

BECAUSE THAT'S THE FIRST

COMMANDMENT.

IF IT WASN'T FOR HIM, I

WOULDN'T BE HERE.

AND GOD INTENDED FOR HIM

TO BE MY EARTHLY FATHER.

TO ME, AT THE END OF HIS

LIFE, I WAS THERE THE DAY

HE PASSED, AND HE WAS IN A

COMA, AND I SAID, I'M

GOING TO MAKE YOUR NAME

GOOD IN THE EARTH.

I'M GOING TO BRING VALUE

TO THE NAME JOHN GRAY.

AND I PRAYED OVER HIM.

AND I TOLD HIM YOU CAN

ACCEPT CHRIST EVEN IN

YOUR -- THEY SAY HE COULD

HEAR ME.

SO I WENT THROUGH THAT

WHOLE THING.

BY THE TIME I GOT BACK

HOME, THEY CALLED AND SAID

HE HAD PASSED.

BUT I TOLD HIM I FORGAVE

HIM FOR NOT BEING THERE.

AND I TOLD HIM I WAS GREAT

FULL THAGRATEFUL THAT HE MARRIED

MY MOTHER AND HE HONORED

HER.

I KNOW HE CAN'T READ THAT

LETTER, BUT IT WAS FOR ME,

CATCATHARTIC, TO SAY THIS

PERSON WHO I DIDN'T HAVE A

RELATIONSHIP WITH, WHO'S

NAME I CARRY, HAS A LEGACY

ATTACHED AND IT IS A GODLY

HERITAGE.

Gordon: I WANT TO

HONOR THAT INTENT TO LEAVE

THAT LEGACY, THAT YOU'RE

GOING TO BREAK THE CURSE,

IF YOU WILL.

YES.

Gordon: AND NOW THAT

NAME IS GOING TO BE

FAMOUS, AND IT IS GOING TO

BE FAMOUS THROUGH YOU AND

YOUR CHILDREN AND YOUR

GRANDCHILDREN.

YES, SIR.

DON'T MAKE ME CRY.

BECAUSE THAT'S EXACTLY

WHAT I WANT TO LEAVE, IS A

LEGACY.

I DON'T WANT TO BE KNOWN

FOR TV OR BOOKS.

THOSE THINGS ARE NICE.

I WANT TO BE KNOWN AS A

MAN WHO LOVED HIS WIFE AND

WHO RAISED HIS KIDS RIGHT.

AND I'M GOING TO PREACH AN

UNCOMPROMISING GOSPEL.

IF PEOPLE WANT WATERED

DOWN, THEY WON'T GET IT

HERE.

Gordon: A RIGHTEOUS

MAN LEAVES A LEGACY, AN

INHERITANCE, FOR HIS

CHILDREN AND HIS

CHILDREN'S CHILDREN.

> THE BOOK IS "I AM

NUMBER EIGHT," AND IT IS

AVAILABLE WHEREVER BOOKS

ARE SOLD.

YOU CAN CHECK OUT JOHN'S

TV SHOW, "THE BOOK OF JOHN

GRAY," SATURDAY NIGHTS AT

10 p.m. ON THE OWN

CHANNEL.

THANK YOU, JOHN.

THANK YOU.

Terry: STILL TO COME,

THE MOMENT JEWS HAVE BEEN

WAITING FOR FOR THOUSANDS

OF YEARS.

THE PRAYER AND THE HOPE

OF MANY GENERATIONS NEXT

YEAR IN JERUSALEM --

SUDDENLY IT BECOMES

THIS YEAR IN JERUSALEM.

Terry: HEAR HOW

ISRAELI PARATROOPERS

Terry: LESS THAN 20 20

YEARS AFTER REFORMING AS A

NATION, ISRAEL WAS ON THE

VIRGE OF EXTINCTION.

THE CITY OF JERUSALEM WAS

DIVIDED, AND HOLY SITES,

INCLUDING THE TEMPLE

MOUNT, WERE UNDER ARAB

CONTROL.

BUT THAT ALL CHANGED OVER

THE COURSE OF SIX FATEFUL

DAYS IN 1967.

CBN'S SCOTT ROSS TALKED

WITH THE AUTHOR OF A BOOK

ON A BATTLE THAT REIGNITED

ISRAEL AND HOW THE HEROS

OF THAT WAR WENT ON TO

SHAPE ISRAEL.

Reporter: THE TEMPLE

MOUNT IS IN OUR HANDS, THE

FAMOUS WORDS OF COMMANDER

MONTEGORE, WHO'S MEN

HELPED REUNITE JERUSALEM,

FULFILLING A

2,000-YEAR-OLD DREAM.

THIS BOOK IS REALLY A

STORY OF AN ISRAELI BAND

OF BROTHERS.

YOUNG ISRAELI MEN WHO GAVE

THE JEWISH PEOPLE THEIR

GREATEST VICTORY, I WOULD

SAY IN HISTORY, PROBABLY

SINCE THE EXODUS FROM

EGYPT.

SUDDENLY WE'RE BORN AGAIN

AS A PEOPLE.

Reporter: I SPOKE

WITH AMERICAN-BORN ISRAELI

YOS ELIVI, ABOUT HIS STORY

OF THE ISRAELI

PARATROOPERS.

PSALM 126, WHEN GOD

BRINGS ABOUT THE RETURN TO

ZION, WE WERE LIKE

DREAMERS, AND THEN OUR

MOUTHS WILL BE FILLED WITH

LAUGHTER, OUR TONGUES WITH

JOYOUS SONG.

THAT'S WHERE YOU GOT THE

TITLE.

HE TOOK ME TO THE MOUNT OF

OLIVES WHERE MONTEGORE

COMMANDED HIS TROOPS.

THE PARATROOPERS CAME

TO THIS SPOT ON THE

MORNING O O OF JUNE 7th,

1967.

MONTEGORE, A VERY FAMOUS

PHOTOGRAPH, IS LOOKING OUT

ON TO THE TEMPLE MOUNT AND

MAKING THE FINAL

PREPARATIONS IN HIS MIND

FOR THE DESCENT AND THE

CONQUEST OF THE OLD CITY.

SO HE SAYS, PARATROOPERS

OF BRIGADE 55, AND HE

TELLS THEM THAT JEWS

WAITED THOUSANDS OF YEARS

FOR THIS MOMENT.

YOU ARE THE ONES WHO ARE

PRIVILEGED TO RESTORE

JERUSALEM TO THE JEWISH

PEOPLE.

Reporter: WE RETRACED

THEIR STEPS TO LION'S GATE

OF THE OLD CITY.

THIS IS THE GATE THAT

THE PARATROOPERS, THE

ISRAELI SOLDIERS, ENTERED

ON JUNE 7, 1967.

AND THEN WHEN THEY REACHED

THE TEMPLE MOUNT, THE

FAMOUS WORDS OF MONTEGORE,

THE COMMANDER OF THE

PARATROOPERS WERE: "THE

TEMPLE MOUNT IS IN OUR

HANDS."

AND THEY FIND THE WALL,

AND THERE ARE THESE

INCREDIBLY EMOTIONAL

SCENES OF BATTLE-HARDENED

PARATROOPERS, MANY

SECULAR, WEEPING AT THE

WALL.

Reporter: SO THE

PRAYER AND THE HOPE OF

MANY GENERATIONS, NEXT

YEAR IN JERUSALEM --

SUDDENLY IT BECOMES

THIS YEAR IN JERUSALEM.

Reporter: HE

PERSONALLIZES THE HISTORY

OF JERUSALEM IN THE EYES

OF SIX SUCH DREAMERS.

I THOUGHT WHAT WAS

MISSING WAS THAT PERSONAL

CONNECTION.

I ALWAYS WONDERED, WHAT

HAPPENED TO THE GUYS WHO

LIBERATED THE WESTERN WALL

IN 1967?

I GREW UP WITH THAT IMAGE

AS SYMBOLIZING THE LIKE

DREAMERS, THE STORY OF

ISRAEL.

Reporter: THESE

PARATROOPERS, DO THEY

REALLY REFLECT AND

MICROCOSEM THE STORY OF

THIS COUNTRY?

THE RANGE YOU HAVE IN

THIS BOOK ARE DEEPLY

RELIGIOUS PEOPLE, SECULAR

ISRAELIS, TEL AVIVS,

LEFT-WINGERS, AND IT WAS

VERY IMPORTANT FOR ME TO

TELL THE STORY OF THE

WHOLE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL.

BECAUSE THE WAY I

UNDERSTAND THE JEWISH

PEOPLE IS THAT WE'RE A

FAMILY.

Reporter: IT TOOK HIM

12 OF HIS 32 YEARS IN

ISRAEL TO WRITE THE BOOK.

ONE OF MY CHARACTERS

STARTS OFF AS A BOY,

LIVING ON ONE OF THESE

SOCIALIST KIBBUTZIUM.

AND HE CREATES THE FIRST

PRIVATIZED COMPANY IN THE

STATE OF ISRAEL, AND OPENS

THE WAY TO THE HIGH-TECH

FREE ECONOMY THAT WE HAVE

TODAY.

Reporter: ONE BECAME

KNOWN AS ISRAEL'S BOB

DYLAN, AND ANOTHER STARTED

THE SETTLEMENT MOVEMENT IN

JUDEA AND SAMARIA.

HE SAYS HIS BOOK TRIES TO

SHOW THE STRUGGLE WITHIN

THE ISRAELI SOUL OVER

MAKING PEACE WITH THE

PALESTINIANS AND DIVIDING

JERUSALEM.

IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD,

I'VE GOT JEWISH NEIGHBORS; NEIGHBORS;

I'VE GOT ARAB NEIGHBORS,

IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD

AND THE SAME BUILDING.

NOW, HOW DO YOU SEPARATE

THAT?

HOW DO YOU DIVIDE A CITY

WITHOUT, GOD FORBID,

DESTROYING IT?

I DON'T SEE HOW JERUSALEM

CAN BE SHARED BETWEEN TWO

POLITICAL ENTITIES THAT

ARE EMERGING OUT OF A

100-YEAR WAR.

Reporter: AND FOR

PEOPLE FROM MY WORLD VIEW

AND MY CHRISTIAN VIEW, WE

TAKE VERY SERIOUSLY THE

PSALM MISIST, WHEN HE SAYS,

PRAY FOR THE PEACE OF

JERUSALEM.

MAY THEY PROSPER WHO LOVE

YOU.

AS WE SIT HERE, HOW DO YOU

PRAYER FOR THIS CITY?

I PRAY THAT I

PERSONALLY SHOULD BE

WORTHY OF LIVING HERE, OF

HOLDING THIS STORY AT THIS

MOMENT.

I PRAY THAT THE PEOPLE OF

ISRAEL WILL BE WORTHY OF

THIS STORY.

I PRAY FOR OUR STRENGTH.

I PRAY FOR OUR GENEROSITY

OF SPIRIT.

I PRAY THAT WE BE

PROTECTED FROM HATRED, AND

THAT OUR HEARTS BE OPEN TO

LOVE ALL OF THE PEOPLE OF

THIS LAND AND ALL THOSE

WHO TURN TOWARDS THE CITY

WITH HOPE.

AND I PRAY FOR ALL OF US.

THAT'S MY PRAYER.

Terry: IT IS SO

IMPORTANT FOR ALL OF US TO

UNDERSTAND THE HISTORY AND

WHAT'S AT STAKE HERE.

Gordon: LET ME ADD

ONE VERSE TO PSALM 126, WE

WERE LIKE THOSE WHO DREAM.

"THEN THEY SAID AMONG THE

NATIONS, THE LORD HAS DONE

GREAT THINGS FOR THEM."

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE

TRYING TO DO WITH THIS NEW

MOVIE, "IN OUR HANDS: THE

BATTLE FOR JERUSALEM."

IT IS GOING TO BE SHOWN IN

THEATERS IN A ONE NIGHT

ONLY EVENT, AND THAT NIGHT

IS TUESDAY, MAY 23rd, AT

7 p.m., AND THAT'S

JERUSALEM DAY ON THE

JEWISH CALENDAR.

SO YOU CAN CELEBRATE WITH

THE JEWS, THE

REUNIFICATION OF JERUSALEM

BY GOING TO THE MOVIE.

YOU CAN BUY TICKETS AND

SEE WHICH THEATERS ARE

HOSTING THE EVENT.

JUST GO TO OUR WEBSITE

inourhands1967.com.

> WE LEAVE YOU WITH THIS

WORD: "PRAY FOR THE PEACE

OF JERUSALEM.

MAY THEY PROSPER WHO LOVE

YOU.

PEACE BE WITHIN YOUR

WALLS, PROSPERITY WITHIN

YOUR PALACE."

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