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Ben Shapiro's Candid Take on Transgenderism, 'Safe Zones,' and Faith

Ben Shapiro's Candid Take on Transgenderism, 'Safe Zones,' and Faith Read Transcript

Ben Shapiro, Political Commentator, Columnist,

Radio Show Host, and Editor In Chief of "The Daily Wire."

Good to have you, Ben.


And thanks for having me.

So on Wednesday, President Trump

tweeted that transgender folk will no longer be allowed

to serve in the military.

Now, there's some ambiguity as to how

the Department of Defense is going

to implement that if they're going to implement that.

But what hit me is how quickly people were to jump and call

President Trump hateful and bigoted

towards the transgender community.

Now, here's where I'm curious.

President Obama, it wasn't until six years into his presidency

that his administration did any formal review of the policy.

But I don't recall him ever being called hateful,

or bigoted, or anything like that.

So talk to me, Ben.

What is this?

Why are we calling one bigoted and one not?

Is bigotry based on bigoted actions alone?

Or is it opposing political inclinations?

What's going on here?

Well, it's definitely-- it's definitely political


And the fact is that Barack Obama campaign in 2008

against gay marriage.

And the by the time we hit 2012, anybody

who was against gay marriage was a bigoted homophobe.

So this is the way that it works.

Democrats are allowed to be against something and then

for something.

But if you're later than the Democrats to that issue,

then you are left out in the cold.

Now, on this one.

I mean, Barack Obama decided to do something politically

polarizing in his final days as a sop during the election


And it was pretty obviously a sop

during the election cycle to the LGBT community.

The fact is that this has ever been a major issue in military.

The military has always had standards,

pretty rigorous standards as far as who gets to serve.

You do not have a right to serve in the military.

There are lots of people who are 4-F

who are barred from serving.

And mental illness is one reason that you

can be barred from serving in the United States military.

This is not a place for social experimentation.

I mean, this is a place for winning wars.

My only problem with what President Trump did

was not the actual activity.

My problem with President Trump is

that he should have let General Mattis lay this out.

He should have let the Secretary of Defense

lay this out, and do a full bodied explanation of why it is

that this measure is necessary.

I think doing it in a tweet looks a little bit tossed off

and a little bit disrespectful of people

who are transgender, who are already

serving in the military.

The Pentagon right now is already

saying they don't know what the policy looks like,

because they haven't had too much guidance from the White


But I think the overall point that Trump is making is,

of course, exactly correct.

And I look forward to the military implementing policies

that are more focused on promoting our ability

to win wars and less focused on social justice warrior

stuff from college campuses.

So on that note, let's talk about safe zones on campuses.

So yesterday, you were on Capitol Hill.

And you basically threw out-- or you identified the logical flaw

of the safe zone narrative.

An irony that always fascinated me

was that the same community who was demanding these safe zones

is the same community who is instigating

these riots and these violent behaviors,

simply because someone has come into their campus who

they disagree with.

What's going on here, Ben?

I mean, they believe that in order to ensure a safe space,

they have to keep out people who are unsafe,

and that means people with unsafe views.

The real problem here, as I testified on Capitol Hill

yesterday, is that there's an enormous group

of people on the left, who now identify verbiage

with violence.

They identify words with violence.

If I don't like something that you say, and I

have an emotional reaction to it, and it causes me stress,

and I have a physical reaction, well, that's

you actually doing harm to me.

And now I am justified in using physical violence

in order to prevent you from doing further harm to me.

This is really dangerous stuff.

And I think that it springs from an ideology that

has become increasingly prevalent that suggests

that anything that I say that disagrees with you politically

is an attack on your identity, particularly if I'm

a straight white male.

That demographic has come under quite some fire

in these last couple of years.

And of course, it was boosted late last year,

when a report came out indicating

that 60% of white Christian men voted for Trump.

Now, there are some negative connotations that went along

with that, such as white Christian men supposedly being

apathetic towards womanizing, or racism,

or things that people were affiliating with Trump.

But a report came out a couple of days ago

that said that 75% of white Christian women

supported Trump between the ages of 18 and 35.

And the report show that all the preceding age

demographics had a higher percentage of Trump supporters.

So do you think this report, Ben,

do you think the support counters

the original narrative?


I mean, I think the original narrative

was stupid in the first place.

I don't think that it was a group of people

who decided that we're fine with infidelity.

We're fine with racism, or sexism, or homophobia,

or any of this kind of stuff.

I don't think that's what's going on.

I think that what happened with Trump

is that there was a real backlash to a Democratic Party

that has decided to focus on intersectionality

as a political goal.

That they think that if they divide us

all up among our various racial and identity groups,

and then tell us all that we're victimized by American society,

and make the straight white man and the straight white woman

the sort of victimizers in the system,

there's going be a backlash to that, and that's what you saw.

I think that Trump said to a lot of people,

there's no reason you should feel guilty if you're not

doing anything bad.

And a lot of people said, well, that sounds about right to me.

Hey, so here at the Christian broadcast network,

we do cover a whole spectrum of cultural and political issues,

but we always want to make sure that the foundation of what

we do is glorifying to God.

Now Ben, I understand with what you do,

you're not just doing it to be right,

but you're doing it to make an impact.

We can all tell by the influence that you have.

So I'll ask you, what is your hope and your prayer

for the America of tomorrow?

Well, I mean, I just hope and pray that there is

a restoration of belief in a God-driven Judeo-Christian

value system that provides the undergirding for a social

fabric that we can all share together,

and that allows us freedom from government,

so that we can function together in a thriving society.

Because without a common set of values

and a common set of goals, it's going

to be very difficult for the republic to survive

I think in a positive way.

All right.

Well Ben, really appreciate your time and all the influence

that you have.

We hope to see you again soon.

Thanks so much.


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