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The 700 Club - August 8, 2017

Meet the 5-year-old worship leader who’s also a YouTube sensation. Plus, a baby battles for his life while his family posts a call to prayer. See how his tumor vanishes overnight. Read Transcript


NARRATOR: Today, the five-year-old worship leader--

CALEB SERRANO: I just kept on listening

and God gave me a voice to sing.

NARRATOR: --who's also a YouTube sensation.

That was amazing.

NARRATOR: Plus, a baby battles for his life--

Hunter cannot live with this mass.

NARRATOR: --while his family posts a call to prayer.

The circle of prayers within hours was overwhelming.

NARRATOR: Hear how his tumor vanishes overnight.

[MUSIC PLAYING]

Welcome to The 700 Club.

We've got Alan Dershowitz today talking

about the special counsel and obstruction of justice

and what all these things mean.

But President Trump has called the investigation

into so-called collusion with the Russians a witch hunt,

but others are calling it a danger

to the civil liberties of Americans because

of political differences can be turned into criminal offenses,

then anyone can be a target.

At the same time, the government

does believe that Russia did try to interfere with the election,

even if the Trump campaign itself wasn't involved.

Heather Sells brings us the story.

Secretary of State Rex Tillerson made it clear

that the US believes Russia's actions

have damaged the relationship between the two countries.

Tillerson spoke with the Russian foreign minister

in the Philippines this week at a meeting of Southeast Asia

Nations.

Trying to help them understand just how serious this incident

had been, and how seriously it had damaged the relationship

between the US--

the American people-- and the Russian people.

That this has created serious mistrust.

HEATHER SELLS: US intelligence agencies

believe Russia interfered in last year's election,

but Moscow has vehemently denied any attempts at meddling.

The problem now, retaliatory sanctions overwhelmingly passed

by Congress last month have sparked a tit for tat.

The President signed the bill despite his objections to it.

And the Russia issue carries over

to Special Counsel Robert Mueller's probe

into that meddling.

Some are concerned that he's gone

beyond the scope of his original mandate

and could be going on a so-called fishing

expedition that would lead to looking into other activities

or crimes.

Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein

says Mueller is not going too far.

The special counsel is subject to the rules and regulations

of the Department of Justice.

And we don't engage in fishing expeditions.

HEATHER SELLS: Rosenstein says if Mueller finds evidence

of other wrongdoing, he will have to ask for permission

to expand his investigation.

There are also questions about Mueller's impartiality,

because he has Hillary Clinton donors on his team.

And there's concern about Mueller

impaneling a grand jury.

Does that mean that the probe has now turned

into a criminal investigation?

Rosenstein says no.

Many of our investigations, Chris,

involve the use of the grand jury.

It's an appropriate way to gather documents.

Sometimes you bring witnesses in to make sure

that you get their full testimony.

It's just a tool that we use, like any other tool,

in the course of our investigations.

Like it or not, the Russia probe and the many questions

surrounding it appear to be far from over,

and we may be dealing with this investigation for some time

to come.

Heather Sells, CBN News.

Well, with us now is a brilliant constitutional

attorney.

He is the Felix Frankfurter Professor

of Law Emeritus at Harvard Law School.

Professor, you have a new book out called,

"Trumped Up, Criminalizing Politics Is Dangerous".

Why is that?

It's extremely dangerous to argue

that every time a political figure you disagrees with

does something that you disagree with, that it's a crime.

They've added something new to their arsenal.

Now if they disagree with you, they call you a racist.

So they use the term crime, they use the term racist,

as weapons to try to silence their opponents.

I was called a racist by Congresswoman Maxine Waters

and others, because I made the observation

that no criminal lawyer would disagree with--

that the prosecutor has obtained a tactical advantage

by moving the case from Virginia, which

is a swing state, to the District

of Columbia, which is 95% democratic.

Nobody would disagree with that point,

but suddenly I'm a racist.

Suddenly Donald Trump is a criminal,

because you disagree with his political points of view.

This is very dangerous.

It distorts terms like criminal and racist

and makes them less powerful, because it's crying wolf.

If you call everybody a racist, no one is a racist.

If you call everybody a criminal, no one's a criminal.

And it's a very serious infringement on civil liberties

to be arguing politics by throwing around

terms like crime and racism.

You made a very cogent statement a year or so ago that

the President of the United States cannot obstruct justice

if he talks to his attorney general, the FBI head,

to discuss a case.

Would you elaborate on that please?

Well, my precedent for that is no one

other than Thomas Jefferson.

Thomas Jefferson insisted that his attorney general

prosecute Aaron Burr.

Every president in modern history

has had contact with the Justice Department.

Presidents, after all, head the unitary executive.

The Justice Department works for the president.

It's part of the executive branch.

And the president can make the decision who to prosecute

and who not to prosecute.

It's not the right way to handle things.

I would not urge the president to do that,

but there's nothing illegal about a president

instructing the Justice Department who to prosecute

and who not to prosecute.

There is long historical precedent.

That's another example of people taking

things they disagree with and suddenly saying, oh,

that's an obstruction of justice.

That's a crime.

It's just historical nonsense.

[INAUDIBLE] goes before Congress, testimony, says,

I think there was obstruction of justice and therefore we ought

to call for a special prosecutor.

The next thing you know, his close friend Mueller

is named special prosecutor.

But you say that there was no crime,

there was no obstruction of justice in that discussion

between him and the president.

Is that right?

I think that's absolutely correct,

but what Comey did was much worse.

He didn't just go in front of Congress

or go in front of the media.

He leaked the material and laundered it

through a law professor friend.

And when the former head of the FBI

is now doing the leaking instead of stopping the leaking,

something wrong is happening in this country.

He set a terrible, terrible precedent,

and should never have been involved

in leaking material and laundering it

through a law professor.

That's just not the way the FBI should operate.

Rosenstein said, well, we really

need to limit what Mueller is going to do,

but how is that going to be done?

He's got like a fishing license, and you also mentioned the fact

that he's moved the grand jury from Virginia to Washington,

which is primarily democratic, and he's

loaded up his staff with pro-Hillary Clinton supporters.

Isn't that a bit of a conflict?

Well, the reason people could disagree about whether or not

people on his staff can be fair with the District of Columbia,

can afford a fair trial.

All I said was that he got a tactical advantage by moving it

from Virginia, which is a swing state

to the District of Columbia, which

is overwhelmingly Democratic.

I don't think there's a criminal defense

lawyer in the world who would disagree with that statement.

And yet it resulted in me being called a racist.

And on CNBC last night, I was asked

by the commentator am I being paid by Donald Trump.

And I'm called kind of a Trump lackey.

I supported Hillary Clinton.

I'm a liberal Democrat.

I'm not doing this for Donald Trump.

I'm doing this for all Americans as a civil libertarian.

If Hillary Clinton had gotten elected,

and people were screaming lock her up

and trying to create crimes to charge her with,

I would be saying the same thing.

And the people who today hate me would love me,

and the people who today love me would hate me.

That's what it means to be a civil libertarian.

Sometimes what you say helps one side,

sometimes it helps the other.

That's not the reason I'm doing it.

I'm doing it to help the civil liberties of all Americans

who suffer when we turn political differences

into crime.

And that's the thesis of my book,

"Trumped Up, Why the Criminalization of Politics

Endangers American Democracy."

I want to ask you another question about the limits.

Under the rules of the Justice Department,

a special prosecutor is supposed to investigate specific crimes.

There has to be a crime.

What is the crime and is he restricted

to the investigation of that matter?

Can he just go on a fishing expedition

and then help himself to wherever he can find anything?

Well, we know what happened with Bill Clinton.

They started out investigating financial corruption

in Whitewater, found nothing, and ended up

investigating him for Monica Lewinsky for a sex act.

There are very, very few restrictions

on what an independent counsel, a special counsel,

special prosecutor, can do.

They follow what they see.

I always analogize it to the great book

by Herman Melville, "Moby Dick".

Captain Ahab had an obsession.

He had to get the white whale even

if it costs him his life and the life of its crew.

And I think when you have a special counsel,

they have to find somebody.

If they don't, they will have wasted the taxpayers' money.

And that's what's wrong with bringing somebody on board

and saying we want you to find crimes.

It reminds me of what Lavrentiy Beria, the head of the KGB,

said to Joseph Stalin.

He said show me the man, and I'll find you the crime.

You can find criminal activities against almost anybody who's

involved in complicated business, complicated politics,

if you look hard enough, and if your goal is

to find criminal activity.

That's not the way democracy should operate.

By the way, we're not the only country

that's suffering from that.

In Israel today, Prime Minister Netanyahu

is being hounded by trivial charges of criminal conduct

that may be he took some cigars, or champagne, or his wife

took some trays of food.

And they're trying to get him out of office.

Not politically, not through the legal means,

but through some efforts to try to criminalize

political differences.

So this is a spreading phenomenon

that endangers democracy all over the world.

You very cogently suggested a little while ago

that there should be a presidential commission.

If they want to talk about Russia, let a commission do it.

Can we transition, do you think, from this special prosecutor

or special counsel to a special presidential commission,

and shut Mueller down, or is that possible in today's world?

I think we made a mistake.

We should never have had a special counsel,

because I didn't see any evidence of a crime.

We should have had an independent commission,

bipartisan, nonpartisan, of the kind that

was appointed after 9/11, to look into the impact of Russia

on elections.

That's not a Democrat, Republican issue.

That's an American issue.

If the Russians are trying to impact our election,

doesn't matter whether they're doing

it to help one side or another.

They shouldn't be doing it.

And if we had an independent commission,

we'd already know what was going on because it

would be done in the open.

Instead, a grand jury is always done in secret.

So we're not going to find out what actually went on

with Russia unless and until the grand jury decides to indict.

And if it decides not to indict, we'll have learned nothing.

If it decides to indict, there may be guilty pleas,

so we'll never know what happened.

It was the wrong vehicle, the wrong mechanism,

for trying to get the kind of information

that all Americans are entitled to, namely,

did Russia try to influence the outcome, of not only

this election, but previous elections,

and will they try to influence the outcome

of future elections?

Can we shift at this point in the narrative

from the special counsel to a commission as you suggest?

Can it be done?

It would be very difficult to do that,

but I think appointing a special commission would still

be a good idea.

And it would take a lot of the steam away

from the special counsel because he operates in secret.

He operates behind closed doors without the defendants

having their lawyer present.

Grand juries hear only one side of the evidence, only one side.

That's why it was said by the Chief Judge of New York,

a prosecutor can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich.

It's the easiest thing in the world, because all they hear

is one side.

Whereas, a commission would hear all sides of an issue.

We'd even invite the Russians to come and testify.

Would invite Democrats, Republicans.

We would hear everything, but now we're

not going to hear anything because it's

behind closed doors.

Professor, brilliant analysis.

Thanks for being with us.

We appreciate it so much.

Thank you.

Alan Dershowitz, distinguished professor, Frankfurter chair,

Harvard Business School, and former--

I might add--

Yale Law School grad, a couple of years after me.

Let me ask you this, because you

have said this and the Professor has now said this.

There should never have been a special counsel appointed.

Who could have and should have stopped that?

Well, you see the problem was the attorney general

had recused himself.

So he let this Rosenzweig take over.

And he never, I mean, I tell you what--

I've run many businesses, CEO.

If I had a vice president on my company

who would appoint a lifetime tenure of somebody who

is an avowed enemy, ready to destroy me,

and he put him me in without my knowledge--

I mean, what would you do in any business situation?

You'd fire that guy on the spot.

But Trump is stuck, because this Rosenzweig

made that decision, yet his attorney general

has recused himself.

So he's out there all by himself,

didn't confer with the president.

It was an outrage how this was done, absolute outrage.

And whether he can roll it back in now--

now there are some Republican senators saying, well,

we want to pass a bill that forces the president

to keep this guy, Mueller, whether he likes it or not.

This is the outrage, what they're doing.

It's an outrage.

And it will hurt the country.

Ladies and gentlemen, this is your country.

This is my country.

What we want to do is get jobs.

We want to do is have a tax cut.

What we want to do is have a balanced budget.

What we want to do is move forward boldly into the future.

We don't care so much about whether some Russian talked

to some political campaign five years ago.

It doesn't matter, but the Democrats

made a big deal of it.

And they are willing to destroy this society.

And you heard the professor talk about the man, Ahab,

who was willing to kill himself, his crew, and his ship

in order to get one big white whale.

We've got to win that, got to stop chasing the whale,

and get this country back on its feet.

We've got major problems.

We've got North Korea.

We've got Iran.

We've got the breakup of the European Union.

You've got all this stuff going on that imperils us,

and we have to stop this nonsense.

But instead of that, we've given a fishing expedition

and an unlimited budget apparently to a zealot who's

going to do everything he can to nail somebody for a quote,

"crime," that we're not sure it will ever happen.

Woo!

The result of the swamp.

Well, let's say that swamp [INTERPOSING VOICES] the swamp

creatures are winning.

All right.

Well, coming up today, the worship leader

who is already a YouTube sensation at the tender

age of five.

Meet Caleb Serrano when we come back.

PAT ROBERTSON: [INAUDIBLE]

[SINGING]

[MUSIC PLAYING]

Well, everyone likes little children

and everyone likes little puppies.

And I tell you, to see a little kid doing as a child prodigy,

it warms all of our heart.

Well five-year-old Caleb Serrano is already a worship leader who

is appearing on two national television shows--

five years old.

And when he sings, people of all ages are just blown away.

Behind the big voice and the precocious personality

is a great kid and a wonderful parents.

Efrem Graham has that story.

[SINGING]

That booming voice from this Greensboro,

North Carolina church is five-year-old Caleb Serrano.

He's the pint-sized worship leader attracting

the eyes and ears of millions

And now the drop-the-mic moment inside a North Carolina

church, the video going viral--

EFREM GRAHAM: From the first second you hear him,

you kind of can't believe it, but Caleb Serrano,

he's got the voice.

Hey everybody.

I'm on ABC News.

Who encouraged you to get up and sing?

Well, and my Papa.

Your Papa?

That was your grandfather then, your Papa?

Did he give you the mic and say, I want you to sing this?

What happened?

I just kept on listening, and God gave me a voice to sing.

Yes, Papa, stand up.

[APPLAUSE]

And Papa was in the audience when

Caleb made his appearance on the hit show, "Little Big Shots."

[SINGING]

Caleb has been singing for how long?

Caleb's been singing for a long time.

I noticed him having a drive for music

since he's been about one.

He's always loved music, but he's

been singing since he was not able to talk.

It's been a blessing that so many people are touched

by my little one, my blessing.

So we just hope we can continue to do what God has us to do,

but it's been wonderful.

I mean, it's fabulous.

So I'd imagine those blessings for you, through him,

came long before the rest of the world started seeing him.

Absolutely, however it is just amazing

that you don't really see what you have,

that gift that you have, until other people kind of start

commenting and to be real about it.

It's almost, like, hello--

be quiet.

Caleb, what are you doing?

Caleb, close the door.

Until somebody else-- they can appreciate.

And then you stop and pay attention.

[SINGING]

EFREM GRAHAM: We couldn't help but

to pay attention when Caleb allowed us

to sit-in on his rehearsal here at New Hope Baptist

Church in Hampton, Virginia.

"Lily In The Valley" is an old familiar tune

from gospel singer John P. Kee.

Do you know John P. Kee.

He's in North Carolina too, isn't he?

He's in Charlotte.

He's in Charlotte.

Have you met him?

I just went in Charlotte to do JoyFest.

Nice, so you sang at JoyFest.

Yeah.

How cool was that?

That was amazing.

Now who is your favorite gospel singer right now?

Who do you like to listen to?

Anthony Brown.

I've met Anthony Brown and interviewed him too.

What's your favorite song from him?

I really met him too.

You did?

Tell me what that was like.

Cool.

Cool.

And I interviewed him.

You interviewed him?

What did you ask him?

He asked me questions.

Ah, what did he ask you, do you remember?

He just said that on Harry I was his favorite singer.

Nice, so that was "Harry Connick, Jr. Show".

Yeah.

What was it like meeting Harry Connick, Jr.?"

It was great.

[SINGING]

So dad how does it feel to have such a gifted son?

It's truly a blessing.

The words can't really describe the feeling, the raw emotion,

the adulation, and you know--

it's just a different, it's a challenge.

It's really a child.

What's been the biggest surprise for you

in this journey so far?

The biggest surprise for me would

have to be just the positive feedback

from around the world, not just locally, but internationally.

How people are reaching out to Caleb to tell them about--

to tell us about how he's touching their lives,

and what his gift has done for them.

And these are people that have never seen him.

These are people that never--

that all they've seen is the videos.

All they've seen-- they've never spent

the time with this fun-loving, challenging five-year-old

that we have.

[SINGING]

Young Caleb has fans from all over the world,

as far as Australia, Fiji, Kenya, Nigeria, and Ukraine.

Do you sing?

I asked your wife if she did.

No, sir.

Not at all, not at all, not at all.

We all know our roles and our responsibility, I believe.

And singing is not one of those for me, you know?

So I will [INAUDIBLE] and I will drive the car.

He really tries to sing.

[LAUGHTER]

But Daddy can't what?

Sing.

There we go.

[SINGING]

EFREM GRAHAM: So we'll leave the singing to Caleb.

Efram Graham, CBN News, Hampton, Virginia.

Well, he's cute.

Isn't that nice?

Isn't that sweet?

Little Caleb, but all right.

He's gifted.

Goodness, he's gifted, yes absolutely.

[INTERPOSING VOICES]

Really fun to watch.

Well, up next, a newborn with a huge tumor in his stomach

struggles to survive.

The most heartbreaking part of it

is actually being able to feel the mass in his stomach

does not let him eat.

TERRY MEEUWSEN: See how this tumor vanishes over night.

[MUSIC PLAYING]

NARRATOR: To listen to our top songs of the week,

go to CBN Radio at cbn.com.

Casey's pregnancy with her son Hunter

went off without a hitch, but after his birth,

something went wrong.

He kept spitting up and soon her baby's life was in jeopardy.

He couldn't hold anything down from the first time

we tried to feed him.

Hunter Chesser was only two days old when his parents, Jake

and Casey, noticed a problem.

He could only eat about a half ounce of formula at a time,

instead of the normal two ounces.

Any more than that and he would spit everything back up,

or any pressure on his stomach would make him spit back up.

NARRATOR: Hunter's doctor ordered x-rays.

There's just a mass that took up about 2/3 of his stomach.

They actually showed us where it was and you could feel it,

and that was probably the most heartbreaking part of it, is

actually being able to feel the mass in his stomach

that's not letting him eat.

NARRATOR: The doctors told them it was life threatening

and he needed to be treated immediately.

He said, Hunter cannot live with this mass.

And we need to send him to Denver to take it out

because he can't eat enough to live with it.

I remember both my wife and I were just very scared,

very worried.

I was blown away.

I didn't know what to think.

I didn't know what to say.

I just-- you don't expect to see that in your baby

that's two days old.

NARRATOR: Hunter was airlifted to the Rocky Mountain

Hospital for Children in Denver, 5 and 1/2 hours away.

Jake and Casey called for prayer.

And from there, it spread.

My brother, Morgan, got on Facebook,

and put this prayer request out on Facebook.

And within hours, he had people all over the country

and all over the world.

He had friends in Australia and New Zealand and England.

All his friends and their churches

were praying for Hunter.

The circle of prayers within hours was overwhelming.

NARRATOR: Jake's mother, Norlene,

called CBN's prayer center.

I couldn't find the words myself to pray.

It was just that feeling of needing somebody

that, since I couldn't put it into words, that I

knew at the other end of that phone line could.

And she did.

And that's what I needed.

NARRATOR: Jake remembers the long drive to Denver.

I was just incredibly worried.

I think I spent most of the trip praying for Hunter.

NARRATOR: In Denver, doctors conducted

tests and a 3-D ultrasound confirmed the results.

The best prognosis we were looking at

was him leaving in two months, but we should probably

plan for him to be there at least six months.

The evening before Hunter's surgery,

Casey was feeding her son.

I was in the room by myself and I fed Hunter.

And he drank the whole 2 ounce bottle.

And he was perfectly fine.

At that time, I was cautiously optimistic,

because I didn't want to get my hopes up,

but something changed.

NARRATOR: The next morning, doctors

ordered another MRI to get a last look before surgery.

A while later, the doctor came in.

And she had a strange look on her face,

which scared me to death.

It's like something happened.

And it probably is not good.

But she came in and she said OK, I have news for you.

She said, we just done with the MRI,

and I don't know what they saw, but it's not there now.

NARRATOR: Medical records confirm

the mass doctors detected on the 12th was gone the next day.

They couldn't explain it and they didn't really

attempt to explain it.

I knew he'd been healed.

I knew the Lord healed him.

And I remember looking at Casey and we were just broke down

and both started crying.

NARRATOR: Today, Hunter is a busy healthy toddler.

Jake and Casey are grateful for his healing

and the power of prayer.

There were thousands of people praying for Hunter,

and every single one of those prayers mattered.

It's the kind of relationship the Lord wants with us,

is we can ask him anything.

Come boldly before the throne of God.

That's the truth.

We can ask him anything and we can come boldly

before the throne of God.

He cares about you.

He cares about your need.

He sees you and we want to pray for you in just a moment,

but first, here's Janice from Lake Wales, Florida.

She was suffering with a twisted right knee.

She was watching this program.

Pat, you gave this word of knowledge.

You twisted your knee, could be the right knee, I'm not sure.

But you twisted it and you pulled a tendon.

Place your hand on that knee that's hurt, you'll feel heat

and God is healing you right now.

The tendons are coming back together.

Janice claimed that healing.

The pain left her, no problem.

Here's another one, Terry.

This one named Gail, who lived in Camp Hill-- lives,

didn't lived--

lives in Camp Hill, Pennsylvania.

She had a severe hip problems causing excruciating pain.

You were watching-- she was watching this program.

You said, somebody had a problem.

You'll know what it is, because the doctor called

it a pelvic girdle.

And it's out of balance, and God's straightening it.

Gail felt the anointing come on her and she said, it's me.

Immediately the hip pain was gone.

She hasn't been having pain since.

TERRY MEEUWSEN: Praise God.

I have one prayer request.

We have one of the strongest supporters of CBN.

I will not name him, but he is in the real estate business.

And he's a dear, dear friend.

He has severe cancer.

And we are believing for a complete miracle.

So just this nameless man--

I won't name his name, but he's a dear, dear, dear friend.

And I want us to pray for him.

And just remember, that all around the country,

just pray for this gentleman.

That he will be-- that the cancer will be taken away,

that he'll be completely whole.

TERRY MEEUWSEN: Let's do that.

Father, I join with Terry--

Jesus.

And we come before you.

Lord we're not worthy to approach the throne of God.

We're not holy people.

We're sinners, Lord.

But we're sinners who've been cleansed

by the blood of your son, Jesus.

And we come in Jesus' name, not in our righteousness,

but in His righteousness.

And we ask for miracles.

We ask for this audience, people who are watching now

and are saying, please touch me.

I think of our dear friend in California

and I ask for a miracle to reach down into his body right now

and bring total, complete healing in Jesus' name.

Father, again, there's a young child.

You have a twisted intestine.

And you've been-- you haven't gotten

a diagnosis, the parents haven't, of what

was wrong with him.

But God knows, and he's straightening that intestine.

That intestinal blockage will be removed,

and he will be completely healed.

Terry, will you--

TERRY MEEUWSEN: And someone else,

you've struggled with eczema your whole life.

You've tried all kinds of things.

Today God is healing that condition for you.

Just receive it.

All scarring and marking on your body will be gone.

All I can say is peace like a river.

Let peace flow like a river down into your life.

You've been troubled.

You've been concerned.

You've been worried.

But let peace like a river come upon you.

May the peace of God be yours, in the name of Jesus.

TERRY MEEUWSEN: Yes.

Someone else with a slipped disc, also.

That's just being set in order by the Lord right now.

Receive that.

Amen.

Wherever you are, if you need further prayer, please call us.

If we can help you, we want to do it.

And if you've got an answer to prayer, we'd love to hear them.

And you can pick up the phone and call in.

Terry?

Well, still ahead, we've got your email.

Rachel says, "I'm 17 years old and want to join the military,

but my Dad is against it and says as a Christian,

I shouldn't join.

What are your views on Christians joining the United

States military?"

Your questions, honest answers, are coming up.

[MUSIC PLAYING]

Welcome back to "The 700 Club."

Israel's attorney general will likely

indict the wife of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin

Netanyahu for fraud.

Sara Netanyahu faces felony charges

for allegedly using government funds

to pay for personal expenses involving

running the prime minister's official household.

The Israeli newspaper "Ha'aretz" reports the indictment

could come within days.

If convicted, she could face jail time.

Her attorney calls the allegations ridiculous.

People are more likely to suspect atheists

of vile actions than those who have

religious faith, like Christians, Muslims, Hindus,

or Buddhists.

Even other atheists are likely to suspect

atheists of immoral deeds, according to this new study.

Agency France Presse reports it suggests

that many believe people will do bad things unless they're

afraid of punishment from all-seeing gods.

The study shows across the world,

religious belief is intuitively viewed

as a necessary safeguard against the temptations

of grossly immoral conduct.

The study in the journal "Nature Human Behavior"

measured the attitudes of more than 3,000 people

in 13 different countries, ranging from extremely

religious to very secular.

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Pat and Terry are back with much more of "The 700 Club."

It's coming up, right after this.

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Well, ladies and gentlemen, we're back,

and we've got your questions, and we've got honest answers.

Terry?

The first one comes from Rachel, Pat, who

says, "Hello, I'm 17 years old and want to join the military,

but my Dad is against it and says as a Christian,

I shouldn't join.

What are your views on Christians joining the United

States military?"

PAT ROBERTSON: Well, you know what

the Bible says, that he who bears the sword

doesn't bear it in vain.

He's a minister of God.

That's talking about people in the Roman army.

They're ministers of God.

So you have to have some restraint against evil.

There has to be a police force.

There has to be a military to put down rogue nations that

want to destroy other nations.

If there weren't for armed forces, then the forces of evil

could overrun everybody.

So we have to stand up against them,

and there's nothing in the world un-Christian

about joining the armed forces.

Now, if you watched Mel Gibson's latest,

"Heartbreak Ridge," it was a tremendous movie.

But it had to do with a conscientious objector who

didn't think that he should carry a gun or shoot people.

So they said, OK, well, you can be a corpsman.

He got the Congressional Medal for the heroism of what he did.

But that was an amazing story.

At the same time, there's nothing wrong with that.

It really isn't.

So to just say against the Army or the Navy, the Marines

or the Air Force is un-Christian nonsense.

OK, what else?

TERRY MEEUWSEN: This is Debbie, who

says, "Pat, Korea is definitely a problem.

Could we drop a bomb on them like we

did on Japan in World War II, or would that

be the wrong thing to do?"

PAT ROBERTSON: Well, you know, the answer

to all of our problems isn't to nuke somebody.

I mean, yeah, you could probably nuke Pyongyang and wipe out

that whole regime.

But then what would you have?

I don't think that would be a good solution.

But we've put some sanctions on them,

and honestly, they may bite and make them behave themselves.

But that country is suffering such oppression.

Those people are so oppressed.

That regime has subjected the people to indescribable misery.

There's a book, if you can get a copy of it,

called "The Aquariums of Pyongyang"

that give a story of somebody in one of those rehabilitation

camps, or whatever they call them.

Horrible, horrible, what was done to them.

And that regime should be taken off the face of the Earth.

But should we nuke them?

No, we shouldn't.

But at the same time, there are artillery emplacements

pointing toward the south.

We have Tomahawk missiles that may be to do a surgical strike.

It may be that one of those bunker buster bombs

could go after some of their emplacements.

There's some other things we could do.

But right now, I think we're trying to do it peacefully

with sanctions.

OK, this is Bill, who says, "Pat,

my older brother and his wife, both professing Christians,

are having serious problems with each other.

Both are angry and very unforgiving

towards one another.

Does this affect their salvation as in, quote, 'as we forgive?'"

Look, I don't know your brother and sister-in-law

enough to make comments about what's affecting

their salvation.

But I tell you what it will affect,

is their ability to have any kind of miraculous

presence of God in their life.

I think that's the main thing.

It isn't so much affecting your salvation

as affecting the fact that you aren't going to get miracles.

God's not going to answer your prayers if you have

unforgiveness in your heart.

You just aren't.

But he says, when you stand praying,

if you [INAUDIBLE] against any, forgive.

You're not going to get a miracle.

As far as salvation, well, forgive others

as you are forgiven.

But I don't know more--

I'd have to know more about your situation

before I could comment.

OK, this is JR, who says, "As modern-day Christians,

are we still under the Old Testament laws-- for example,

forbidden to eat unclean meats?"

The Bible says that Jesus declared all foods clean.

He did it himself, so we're not under the dietary restrictions.

As far as the moral law of the Ten Commandments,

it is eternal.

And there are principles in there that are eternal.

So I think it's very important.

But the dietary laws, according to the Bible,

we're not under, because He declared

all foods clean, right?

OK, this is Shirley, who says, "Leviticus 19:28 says

no tattoos or any marks on your body.

That looks so gross-- especially on women,

but now I see a lot of Christian women getting them.

How can this be OK?

To me it's like someone doing graffiti on your house or car.

Your body is the home of the Holy Spirit."

Well, you say it better than I can.

I think it's an absolutely ridiculous thing, especially

women, to get tattoos all over their body.

This was a mark of the pagans.

These tattoos were marks of pagan people.

And this was a symbol of paganism.

So we're moving more into paganism,

and we've got piercings and all this stuff,

and things in people's tongues and on their stomachs,

and so forth.

It's an outrage to invade your body,

and it is the temple of the Holy Spirit.

Is it a good thing?

Of course it's not.

But are people doing it?

Yes.

What am I going to say?

You know, I don't believe that--

I believe that commandment in Leviticus

stands true for today.

We really shouldn't mark the--

these are temples of God if we make them such.

All right?

Well, that's all the time we have for today,

but thank you for your questions.

Thank you for your answers.

Up next, a young man living a life of promiscuity and

addicted--

addicted to cocaine.

It was all I thought about.

I would give my body, like, to people

so that I could try to find money to be

able to support my drug habit.

TERRY MEEUWSEN: Watch what happens when this young man

learns he is HIV-positive.

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Welcome back.

You're watching "The 700 Club."

We're absolutely delighted you're with us.

And I want to remind you, telephones are available.

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Well, when his father remarried, Joshua

felt replaced by his new step-brother.

Then when his dad learned that he was a homosexual,

he kicked him out of the house.

But Joshua's mother never stop praying for him.

And before long, her prayers paid off big time.

JOSHUA (VOICEOVER): I was asking, like,

why is this happening?

Or did I do something?

Was it my fault?

NARRATOR: Joshua was 10 when his parents divorced.

He was an only child, and life had been almost perfect

until then.

JOSHUA (VOICEOVER): I had a really good relationship

with my father and my mother growing up.

We did a lot of things together.

We just had a good family.

I was very happy.

They were very protective over me as a kid.

NARRATOR: After the divorce, Joshua

ended up living with his dad, and his attachment to him

grew stronger.

JOSHUA (VOICEOVER): I think my dad definitely

gave me the attention that I needed as a kid growing up.

Because he tried to pour into my life to make sure

he supported me and was there for me in every way.

NARRATOR: That changed when his dad married

a woman who also had a son.

No longer the center of his dad's affection,

Joshua became rebellious and found companionship elsewhere.

JOSHUA (VOICEOVER): During my middle school

and high school years, what led me to homosexuality

was just the point of really just feeling rejected,

feeling that missing relationship with my father

that I really wanted, that I really needed.

Tried to mess around with guys to try

to find love and fulfillment where I was broken

and where I felt rejected.

And that just caused me to hang out

with a lot of the wrong people.

NARRATOR: By high school, he was smoking pot and having

numerous homosexual encounters.

JOSHUA (VOICEOVER): It was more just partying,

the drug lifestyle, living like a lifestyle of homosexuality

to try to find love and fulfillment where I was broken

and where I felt rejected.

NARRATOR: After high school, Joshua

went to a community college but dropped out after a year.

Then his dad found out his son was a homosexual

and kicked him out of the house.

JOSHUA (VOICEOVER): And that in turn

made my father, like, reject me.

There was a lot of wounds and a lot of scars there,

and a lot of rejection.

So I thought I could turn to other things

to try to erase that part of my life,

to try to find this love where I was broken

and where I was rejected.

NARRATOR: Joshua went to live with his mom, who had remarried

and become a Christian.

Although he kept his sexuality hidden from her,

she knew he needed God's help.

He was doing the partying thing,

and just didn't know how much in depth

that was going on in his life.

All I could do was pray for him, you

know, for the Lord to protect him and try to keep him out

of those kind of things.

NARRATOR: Seeking acceptance, Joshua moved to a bigger city

so he could openly live a gay lifestyle.

JOSHUA: There were times where I did feel that it was wrong

and that I shouldn't be doing these things.

But I just continued to go down that pathway,

because it was giving me this fulfillment and this hunger

for something where I felt broken.

NARRATOR: A path that over the next two years

led Joshua to a life of unbridled promiscuity

and an insatiable addiction to cocaine.

It was all I thought about.

I would give my body, like, to people

so that I could try to find money to be

able to support my drug habit.

And I was trying to find all this love

and this temporary fulfillment in these things that

meant nothing to me.

I had nothing going for me.

I gave up hope.

NARRATOR: But his mom never gave up asking God to help her son.

Praying for the Lord to keep his hand of protection on him,

and to lead him and guide him, and to convict his heart.

And I've even prayed for the Lord

to make him uncomfortable if he had to, so that he

would give life to Jesus.

NARRATOR: Then in 2009, Joshua learned

that he was HIV-positive.

JOSHUA: And I felt like this is the end of my life.

I don't know what this is.

I don't understand why HIV is.

But I know that I've been marked with something that has changed

the course of my life.

I was just completely broken, completely hopeless.

I didn't know what to do.

NARRATOR: Joshua reached out to his mom, telling her everything

and asking for help.

Without hesitation, she welcomed him into her home.

Ooh, that's not anything a mother would want to hear.

But you know, that's your child.

And so no matter what, you stick by your child,

and you support him and you love him.

It made me feel great to be accepted by my mother

and to see that she was there, even

through this whole lifestyle of darkness and brokenness.

Even though I felt dirty and I felt shameful,

that my mother said, hey, I love you,

and I'm going to accept you where you're at.

NARRATOR: But there was one condition--

that Joshua go to church with her.

Again, he was welcomed with open arms.

JOSHUA: And they were like, hey, we love you.

We support you and we're here to pray for you in any way

that we can.

NARRATOR: Not long after, a message he heard at a revival

made him finally realize he needed God's love

and forgiveness.

I just began to break.

And my heart, every part of me, just began to break open.

And I was just weeping and weeping, and I was like, God,

I need you.

I need you in my life more than ever, right now in this moment.

I felt an overwhelming love of the Father,

of Jesus, that I had never felt in my life.

I felt all the shame.

I felt all the guilt. I felt everything

that was connected to this lifestyle

that I was living, just be erased in a moment.

I felt the love of the Father come in and say, you're new.

You're made new.

You're mine.

And I just accepted Jesus.

I accepted Him into my life, and He shifted every part

of my life from that moment.

NARRATOR: As Joshua focused on living for Christ,

he overcame his addictions and homosexual desires.

Today he is able to control his HIV with medication

and live a normal life.

Joshua's dad also gave his life to Christ,

paving the way to forgiveness and reconciliation.

JOSHUA'S MOTHER (VOICEOVER): I believe in the power or prayer.

And you just keep fervently praying,

and he will answer your prayers.

If you are faithful to Him, He will be faithful to you.

NARRATOR: Eventually Joshua went to Bible college

and earned a degree in worship and music.

He's currently pursuing his master's degree

in practical theology.

As a mother, to see where God has brought Joshua,

where God has brought him to, is totally inspiring and amazing.

It's very amazing.

And I just thank God for keeping His hand on him.

The past doesn't define me anymore.

And when you come to Christ, you're a new creation in Him.

And He wipes away everything and gives you a clean slate.

Don't give up hope.

Don't give up faith.

Even in brokenness and in darkness,

where you feel like you're completely lost and empty,

Christ can meet you right where you're at.

He can meet you in a moment and in an instant that

can change your life.

Well, what a testimony.

The Bible says if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation.

Old things have passed away.

Behold, all has become new.

All has become new.

All that stuff in the past, that's gone.

Gone.

It's your having your conscience cleansed from dead works

that you might serve the living God.

God is not interested in punishing you.

He's not interested in you wallowing in the sin you've

been involved in.

What God is interested in is saying,

let my spirit come in to you.

Let me cleanse you.

Let me make you a new creation.

And I have something wonderful for your life.

I will make you a new person, and all

the old will be washed away, the things that you're ashamed of.

You don't have to carry that shame,

and you don't have to carry the guilt. Let it go.

Because God will take it away.

Now, if you want to pray right now with me

and come into that experience with the Lord,

I'm going to lead you in a very simple prayer.

I'm going to ask you to pray wherever you are.

Pray these words.

I'm going to pray, and you pray after me,

and then we'll pray together.

Pray these words.

Jesus, that's right.

Jesus, I'm a sinner.

You know what I've done.

I know what I've done.

You know who I am, and I know who and what I am.

But I come to you, Lord, because I

believe that you died for my sins

and that you will wash me and make me clean.

So I come to you, just as I am, without a plea but

that your blood was shed for me.

Thank you, Lord, for hearing my prayer.

Thank you, Lord.

Amen.

Well, we leave you with today's Power Minute from Ephesians

2:8-9.

"For by grace you have been saved through faith,

and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,

not of works, lest anyone should boast."

This is Pat Robertson.

I'll see you tomorrow.

Bye-bye.

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