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Texas Lawmakers and Pastors Clash Over Sanctuary Cities Ban

Texas Lawmakers and Pastors Clash Over Sanctuary Cities Ban Read Transcript


CHARLENE AARON: The rise of sanctuary cities

across the country has made the illegal immigration

debate even more bitter.

LOU DOBBS: Pretty much the definition of anarchy.

SPEAKER 1: [INAUDIBLE] human sacrifices, and rapes, murders.

SPEAKER 2: Satan worshippers.

SEAN HANNITY: The American lives are being lost.

SPEAKER 3: They are breaking the law.

They are harboring fugitives.

This is absolutely nuts.

SPEAKER 4: You are safe in Chicago.

MAYOR BILL DE BLASIO: This is about human beings, families--

MAYOR ERIC GARCETTI: we will continue

to be a place of refuge.

CHARLENE AARON: Illegal immigrants

are shielded in 300 sanctuary jurisdictions in cities,

including Chicago, Detroit, Los Angeles, Dallas, and Miami.

Earlier this year, Texas went the other direction

with its so-called show me your papers law.

It prohibits any policy that limits immigration enforcement,

allows authorities to question the immigration

status of anyone they detain or arrest,

and allows the state to fine cities

and counties up to $25,000 a day for acting as sanctuary cities.

The Texas law is the first of its kind in the nation

since President Trump issued an order

to crack down on cities that provide safe haven

to undocumented immigrants.

Earlier this year, the law signed

by Texas Governor, Greg Abbott, led

to massive protests in the Texas State capitol building,

including scuffles between lawmakers.

Members of the faith community are struggling with the law.

SPEAKER 5: Christ Foundry United Methodist mission

has taken the vote and made the decision

to become a sanctuary church.

CHARLENE AARON: Christ Foundry is one of 60 United Methodist

congregations committed to providing sanctuary

for undocumented immigrants.

PASTOR OWEN ROSS: Approximately 80% of our adults, I would say,

are foreign-born, and so many of them are undocumented.

CHARLENE AARON: Pastor Owen Ross says the biblical mandate

to care for foreigners motivated him

to get his congregation involved in the movement.

There is no other contemporary political issue

that's more frequently and consistently addressed

in the Bible than immigration.

No other issue more frequently inconsistently addressed

in the Bible than immigration.

And God's word is consistent.

Love, love, love, and the actions

that our country is taking is not demonstrating that love.

[SPEAKING SPANISH]

CHARLENE AARON: He says a sanctuary church does not

protect immigrants from deportation.

PASTOR OWEN ROSS: We have publicly said,

we will house you.

We will receive you.

It's not a place to hide you.

It's quite the opposite.

We will publicly say this family is living in our church,

and we are doing that because of the gospel of Jesus Christ

that teaches us to love our neighbors.

CHARLENE AARON: Pastor Vince Gonzales

leads the Hispanic congregation of North Dallas family church.

PASTOR VINCE GONZALES: There's been a lot of paranoia,

a lot of fear, a lot of people, a lot of questioning.

And even within our congregation we've

been seeing an increase of people very concerned.

CHARLENE AARON: Recent immigration proposals

have led him to change the dynamics of his ministry.

PASTOR VINCE GONZALES: We were not so much focused

on community needs before, but now we're actually

dealing with the [INAUDIBLE].

Not just food, and clothes, and shelter, but documentation,

but counseling, prayer.

CHARLENE AARON: That also includes

a referral program to help with applying for legal status.

PASTOR VINCE GONZALES: I feel like if you go back

and you make it right with the law,

that God's grace and God's mercy is always there.

But if you continue to run, continue your run,

continue to run, you'll be a fugitive all your life.

CHARLENE AARON: Pastor Stephen Boroden, the Fairpark Bible

Fellowship, stands on the other side of the debate.

PASTOR STEPHEN BRODEN: It is clearly amnesty.

Sanctuary cities violate the federal law,

the federal immigration law, and so what they're doing

is making a safe haven by allowing illegals

to come and hide in those cities without

any punitive consequences.

CHARLENE AARON: It's also become personal for Boroden.

PASTOR STEPHEN BRODEN: My sister-in-law

was killed by an illegal alien almost seven to 10 years ago,

and so we've got to look at both sides of the equation.

We've got to do what is right for Americans.

CHARLENE AARON: He says the problem is not just limited

to illegals from Mexico.

PASTOR STEPHEN BRODEN: We're talking

about OTM, Other Than Mexicans.

Arabs and terrorists who are coming across our porous

borderline with malicious intention for our nation.

So we've got to get a handle on this,

or we're going to be fighting terrorism in our streets.

CHARLENE AARON: In the meantime, Ross

believes the number of sanctuary churches

will grow to aid those who just want a better life in America.

PASTOR OWEN ROSS: I anticipate if we

do start seeing more and more non-criminal deportations,

non-criminal orders of deportations,

that more churches will adhere to the Lord's mandate,

and will open their doors, and will allow persons

into their churches.

CHARLENE AARON: For now the law is

on hold because of a federal judge's intervention,

but Governor Abbott has appealed and believes it will

be upheld by the Supreme Court

Charlene Aaron, CBN News, Dallas.

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