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700 Club Interactive - September 28, 2017

Meet the white crooked cop who sent an innocent black man to jail, and hear about their unlikely journey of forgiveness and friendship. Read Transcript


Gordon: CROOKED COP,

AN INNOCENT MAN, AND

THEY'RE UNLIKELY JOURNEY

TO FRIENDSHIP.

HEAR HOW THESE MEN CHOSE

TO LET GO OF FEAR AND

REVENGE.

PLUS..."STUDIO 5's"

EFREM GRAHAM IS HERE TO

SHARE THIS WEEK'S TOP FIVE

TRENDING STORIES.

ALL OF THAT AND MORE ON

TODAY'S "700 CLUB

INTERACTIVE."

GOOD MORNING, AND WELCOME

TO THE SHOW.

HERE IS "STUDIO 5" HOST

EFREM GRAHAM WITH THIS

WEEK'S TOP FIVE TRENDING

STORIES.

Efrem: AT NUMBER

FIVE...

CAN I ASK YOU ABOUT

YOUR RELATIONSHIP TO YOUR

FAITH AND THE CHURCH

GROWING UP.

DEFINITELY.

YOU SAID SINGING IS

PRAYING TWICE.

CHANCE THE RAPPER

SHARES THOUGHTS ON THIS

CHRISTIANITY WITH LATE

SHOW HOST STEV STEPHEN COBERT.

I CAN WORSHIP WITH MORE

FERVOR.

Efrem: AND HE SHARES

SOME NEW MUSIC, WRITTEN

JUST DAYS BEFORE.

* THE DAY IS ON ITS WAY

* IT COULDN'T WAIT NO

MORE *

* HERE IT COMES, READY OR

NOT *

Efrem: AS NUMBER

FOUR...

HEY, MARK.

* TROUBLES MAY COME

Efrem: WE PRODUCTION

WRAPPED FOR THE NEW FILM

"A QUESTION OF FAITH,"

THIS IS PREMIERE WEEK, AND

"STUDIO 5" IS IN ATLANTA,

CATCHING UP WITH KIM

FIELDS ON THE CARPET.

SHE IS A DEDICATED WIFE

AND MOTHER, WHO LOVES THE

LORD.

WHO HAS CERTAINLY BEEN

RIDDLED WITH CHALLENGES.

THAT CERTAINLY IS A LOT OF

ME.

AND I'VE BEEN THROUGH

PHASES OF MY OWN LIFE

WHERE I'VE QUESTIONED MY

FAITH, OR QUESTIONED GOD.

Efrem: "A QUESTION OF

FAITH" IS IN AMERICAN

THEATERS ON FRIDAY.

> AT NUMBER THREE...

IT BEGAN MY WALK.

I WALKED TO GET TO

DAYLIGHT.

Efrem: AND YOU GO

FROM BEING A BEGGER TO A

MILLIONAIRE.

THE BIG SCREEN WILL SEE

THE REAL-LIFE STORY OF A

MAN WHO WALKED AWAY FROM

MILLIONS TO BECOME A

FATHER TO THOUSANDS.

SOMETIMES IT'S SO HARD

FOR ME TO MEASURE IT AT

THAT LEVEL.

BUT I CAN ACKNOWLEDGE IT

AND SAY, YES, THE LORD

REALLY LIFTED ME SO HIGH.

IT IS A SMALL BUSINESS

THAT I STARTED.

Efrem: "MULLY" IS IN

THEATERS FOR THREE DAYS.

I WAS COMMENDED BY THIS

VOICE.

I SAW FACES.

AND I COULD NOT WALK

ANYMORE.

I CRIED.

WHY?

BECAUSE THAT WOULD TAKE ME

BACK AGAIN.

I WOULD NEVER, EVER WORK

FOR MONEY AGAIN.

Efrem: AT NUMBER

TWO...

WE'RE WITH THE N.A.C.

P. -- YOU'VE HEARD OF US.

Efrem: IT IS A

COURTROOM THRILLER BASED

ON HIS LIFE.

CHADAM BODWIK PLAYS THE

CHARACTER.

Efrem: "THE PEOPLE

VERSUS O.J.," "THIS IS

US," YOU SEEM TO BE RIDING

A WONDERFUL WAVE RIGHT

NOW.

WHERE DOES THIS FILM FIT

IN THAT WAVE?

THIS IS THE FIRST FILM

I'VE DONE SINCE "O.J." AND

"THIS IS US."

SSO IT IS A FORAY FOR ME

FROM THE SMALL SCREEN TO

THE BIG SCREEN, AND IT IS

EXCITING.

THIS IS SAM FRIEDMAN.

YOU CAN GO.

I'VE GOT NO MONEY FOR

LAWYERS.

Efrem: AT NUMBER

ONE...

DID STEVE MISPLACE HIS

BIBLE?

I DON'T KNOW WHERE

STEVE PUT HIS BIBLE, BUT

HE JUST SHARED WITH BILLY

HE WISHED HE HAD A BIBLE.

AND WITHOUT ANY

HESITATION, BILLY SAID,

I'LL GIVE YOU MINE.

Efrem: PASTOR GREG

LAURIE'S DOCUMENTARY ON

THE LIFE AND FAITH OF

ACTING LEGEND STEVE

McQUEEN IS IN AMERICAN

THEATERS FOR ONE NIGHT

THIS WEEK.

IT INCLUDES INTERVIEWS

WITH STEVE'S WIDOW, AND

UNHEARD RECORDINGS FROM

McQUEEN HIMSELF.

> HAD YOU HEARD THOSE

AUDIO RECORDINGS?

FOR SOME OF THEM, I WAS

SITTING THERE.

BUT IT HAS BEEN SO LONG

AGO, THIS IS A PART OF THE

MOVIE THAT I HAVE TO WALK

OUT ON BECAUSE IT BRINGS

BACK WAY TOO MANY BAD

MEMORIES FOR ME.

WE WERE GOING TO MOVE AND

BUILD OUR HOME IN IDAHO.

I HAD THE RANCH.

I FINALLY BUILT A HOME ON

THERE.

I WANTED A FAMILY AND A

REAL LIFE.

AND I WANTED TO GROW OLD

IN A ROCKING CHAIR.

WE HAD OUR ROCKING CHAIRS

PICKED OUT.

OH, BOY, I'M GOING TO

START BALLING.

Efrem: YOU'RE FINE.

I WANTED A LIFE WITH

HIM.

Gordon: EFREM IS HERE

WITH MORE.

HERE YOU ARE WITH STEVE

McQUEEN'S WIDOW.

Efrem: IT WAS A

BEAUTIFUL OPPORTUNITY TO

SPEAK WITH HER.

WHAT SURPRISED ME IS SHE

IS MARRIED TO STEVE

McQUEEN FOR A FEW YEARS,

HAS A GREAT LIFE WITH HIM,

AND SHE HAS ONLY SEEN TWO

OF HIS MOVIES.

SHE GOES, I TRIED TO SEE

THE OTHERS, BUT BECAUSE I

KNEW THE MAN, I JUST

COULDN'T TAKE HIM

SERIOUSLY ON THE BIG

SCREEN.

I WOULD LAUGH.

I THOUGHT, THAT'S NOT HIM.

THAT'S NOT WHO HE IS.

SO SHE IS REALLY GRATEFUL

FOR THE DOCUMENTARY

BECAUSE SHE SAYS THIS

DOCUMENTARY SHOWS MORE OF

THE MAN SHE KNEW, THAT SHE

WAS MARRIED TO, AND NOT

THAT MACHO PROVADO THAT WE

WATCHED HIM BE.

[LAUGHTER]

Gordon: SHE SAID THAT

SHE COULDN'T WATCH CERTAIN

PARTS OF THE FILM.

WHAT PARTS?

Efrem: THERE IS A

REALLY BEAUTIFUL PART IN

THE FILM, THERE ARE AUDIO

RECORDINGS OF HIM WHEN HE

WAS BATTLING CANCER,

TALKING ABOUT THE FACT HE

WISHED HE HAD AN

OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE MORE

OF HIS FAITH.

AND HE BELIEVED AT THE END

OF HIS LIFE, HE HAD

FINALLY FOUND PURPOSE, AND

HE THOUGHT HE COULD DO

SOME GOOD WITH THAT.

AND THAT WAS HIS PRAYER.

HE PRAYED FOR HEALING.

AND YOU HEAR HIM SAYING

THIRD QUARTERTHAT, IT'S LIKE WHOA.

AND SHE SAYS IT TOOK HER

BACK TO A VERY PAINFUL

TIME.

Gordon: WELL, HIS

WISH IS BEING GRANTED.

Efrem: ABSOLUTELY.

Gordon: HERE WE ARE

DECADES LATER, AND THAT

PRAYER IS BEING ANSWERED.

Efrem: PRAYER

FULFILLED.

Gordon: IT IS IN

FATHOM THEATERS TONIGHT.

Efrem: TONIGHT.

Gordon: AND THERE IS IS

THE PREMIERE THIS WEEK OF

"A QUESTION OF FAITH."

WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT

ONE?

Efrem: I LIKE THE

FILM.

THE CAST IS ENDLESS IN

TERMS OF THE CHRISTIAN

COMMUNITY.

KIM FIELDS, JACKIE

VALASQUEZ -- THEY DID A

PHENOMENAL JOB, BUT IT

TELLS THE INTERTWINING

STORY OF BAD THINGS

HAPPENING TO GOOD PEOPLE.

WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THAT

WHEN YOU FEEL LIKE I'M

DOING ALL GOD HAS CALLED

ME TO DO.

I'M BEING OBEDIENT.

I'M HERE FOR MY FAMILY,

BUT THEY SUFFER

IMMEASURABLE LOSS.

AND THE LOSS REALLY

INTERTWINES THESE THREE

FAMILIES, AND THEY ALL

HAPPEN TO BE FAMILIES OF

FAITH.

WHAT DO YOU DO TO DEAL

WITH THIS?

LET'S GET THROUGH IT.

THAT'S A JOY TO WATCH PLAY

OUT, BUT EMOTIONAL AS

WELL.

I THINK WE'LL RELATE TO

IT.

Gordon: A

TEAR-JERKER.

Efrem: IT IS, BUT I

THINK PEOPLE WILL

CERTAINLY RELATE TO IT.

Gordon: ALL RIGHT.

Efrem: WE'VE ALL GONE

THROUGH IT.

Gordon: WE'VE ALL

GONE THROUGH IT, AND SOME

HAVE GONE THROUGH MORE

THAN OTHERS.

> WHILE WE'RE ON FILMS,

LET'S TALK ABOUT "MULLY."

HERE IS A MAN WHO WENT

THROUGH AND WAS ABANDONED

BY HIS PARENTS, AND MADE

IT, BOOTSTRAPS STORY, AND

THEN HE GOES BACK.

Efrem: HE MAKES

MILLIONS, HAVING BEEN A

BEGGER HIMSELF, AND

LITERALLY HE HAS MILLIONS

OF DOLLARS AND THESE

THRIVING COMPANIES, AND

GOD TELLS HIM TO GET RID

OF IT ALL.

I CALLED YOU TO TAKE CARE

OF THE CHILDREN WHO WERE

LIKE YOU ON THE STREETS.

AND HE DOES IT IN KENYA.

HIS SCHOOLS ARE AMONG THE

BEST IN HIS COUNTRY.

CHILDREN WHO AREN'T EVEN

HIS CHILDREN IN HIS

ORPHANAGES, THEY'RE TRYING

TO GET INTO HIS SCHOOLS.

HE WAS ABANDONED BY HIS

DAD, AND WE WITNESS IN THE

FILM HE AND HIS DAD

REUNITED.

HIS DAD HAS SINCE DIED,

BUT THEY REUNITED.

AND HE CAME TO HIS DAD'S

RESCUE --

Gordon: I LOVE HIS

LINE: I WILL NOT WORK FOR

MONEY ANYMORE.

Efrem: THAT'S A GREAT

PHILOSOPHY FOR ALL OF US.

Gordon: FROM NOW ON

I'M ABOUT GOD'S BUSINESS.

Efrem: ABSOLUTELY.

AMAZING MAN.

Gordon: I LOVE THAT.

> LET'S TURN TO CHANCE

THE RAPPER.

HE'S ON THE BIG STAGE NOW.

Efrem: HE IS, AND HE

IS USING THE PLATFORM TO

SHOWCASE HIS FAITH.

HE SAYS HE STILL GOES TO

CHURCH WITH HIS

GRANDMOTHER ON SUNDAYS.

Gordon: WOW!

Efrem: BUT IN THE

SONG THAT HE WROTE JUST

FOR THAT SHOW, HE TALKS

ABOUT HIS STRUGGLE WITH

HAVING ALL OF THIS FAME,

HOW IT HAS TAKEN AWAY THE

ANONIMITY AND JUST THE

FAMILY TIME HE IS USED TO

HAVING.

IN THE SONG, HE SAYS, I'M

GOING TO CHURCH, BUT HE

NOTICED PEOPLE ARE TAKING

PICTURES OF HIM IN CHURCH,

AND HE'S GETTING MORE

ATTENTION THAN HE

NECESSARILY WANTED.

Gordon: HE IS GETTING

MORE ATTENTION THAN THE

SERMON.

BUT THAT IS A SERMON.

THAT OUGHT TO BE

PROCLAIMED FAR AND WIDE,

I'M GOING TO CHURCH WITH

MY GRANDMOTHER, AND I DO

IT EVERY SUNDAY.

Efrem: THAT'S

BEAUTIFUL.

Gordon: THAT'S A

SERMON.

Efrem: HE STILL TAKES

HER CALL EVERY TIME SHE

CALLS.

AND HE JOKED ABOUT THE

FACT, SOMETIMES WHEN SHE

IS CALLING, IT IS NOT THE

MOST OPPORTUNE TIME, BUT I

ANSWER, I ANSWER.

BECAUSE SHE INTRODUCED HIM

TO FAITH.

Gordon: THERGO

MARSHALL, A REAL HERO IN

THE LEGAL PROFESSION, AND

NOW A LIFE STORY.

Efrem: THIS DOESN'T

TELL HIS LIFE STORY FROM

BEGINNING TO END.

IT REALLY IS A COURTROOM

THRILLER.

IT IS BASED ON A CASE

WHERE HE WAS THE DEFENSE

ATTORNEY FOR A GENTLEMAN

CONVICTED -- TRIED FOR

RAPING HIS BOSS, AND

ATTEMPTED MURDER.

BUT THE TWIST TO THIS IS

THIS IS REAL LIFE.

HE IS ALLOWED TO COME IN

AS AN NAACP ATTORNEY, BUT

HE IS NOT ABLE TO SPEAK IN

THE COURTROOM.

THAT REALLY DID HAPPEN.

I KEPT THINKING OF MOSES

AND AARON AND PHARAOH.

BUT THURGOOD MARSHALL IS

NOT ABLE TO SPEAK IN THE

COURTROOM.

I'VE SEEN THE FILM, AND IT

IS VERY WELL DONE.

AND IT IS NICE TO SEE THIS

LITTLE FACET OF THURGOOD

MAMARSHALL'S LIFE.

Gordon: HERE WE ARE

IN 2017, AND YOU FORGET

JUST HOW HARD IT WAS.

Efrem: AND THE CASE

IS SET IN 1940 IN

GREENWICH, CONNECTICUT.

Gordon: IN

CONNECTICUT, YOU COULDN'T

STAND IN A COURTROOM AND

SPEAK BASED ON THE COLOR

OF YOUR SKIN IN THE

1940s.

Efrem: IN THE

1940s.

NOT LONG AGO.

WE'VE COME A LONG WAY,

STILL A LONG WAY TO GO --

Gordon: AND WE'RE ON

THE WAY.

Efrem: WE ARE.

Gordon: WHICH WE NEED

TO KEEP IN MIND.

Efrem: THANK YOU,

GOD.

Gordon: THE GOOD NEWS

IS WE'RE ON THE WAY.

AND ASPIRATIONALS IN OUR

FOUNDING DOCUMENTS THAT

ALL MEN ARE CREATED

EQUAL -- WE NEED TO

"SQUEEZE PLAYASPIRING TO THAT.

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> COMING UP, A MAN PUT

IN PRISON MEETS THE DIRTY

COP WHO PUT HIM IN JAIL.

THEY'LL SHARE THEIR SIDES

OF THE STORY AND AN

Gordon: WELL, IT'S A

STORY OF A GOOD COP GONE

BAD.

OFFICER ANDREW COLLINS

FRAMED JAMEEL McGEE FOR

POSSESSION OF CRACK

COCAINE.

THE RESULT WAS NOT A RACE

RIOT, BUT AN AMAZING FAITH

JOURNEY.

Reporter: ANDREW

COLLINS WOKE UP ON

FEBRUARY 8, 2006,

DETERMINED TO MAKE A DRUG

BUST.

HE WAS A NARCOTICS COP

TRYING TO MAKE A NAME FOR

HIMSELF.

JAMEEL McGEE HEADED TO

THE NEGOTIATION STORE THAT

MORNING AND HAD NO IDEA HE

WOULDN'T SEE HIS INFANT

SON FOR THREE MORE YEARS.

ANDREW SET HIS SIGHTS ON

JAMEEL AS HE WALKED IN THE

STORE AND FALSELY ACCUSED

HIM OF POSSESSING CRACK

COCAINE.

HE SPENT THREE YEARS IN

PRISON.

BUT TWO YEARS ANY OTHER,

AFTER AN INVESTIGATION FOR

FALSIFYING POLICE REPORTS,

ANDREW ALSO WENT TO

PRISON.

IN THEIR BOOK, THEY SHARE

HOW THEIR PATHS CROSSED AS

FREE MEN, AND HOW JAMEEL

CHOSE TO FORGIVE AND FOR

RECONCILIATION FOR

THEMSELVES AND FOR THEIR

COUNTRY.

Gordon: JOINING ME

NOW IS JAMEEL AND ANDREW.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING

US.

THANK YOU.

Gordon: YOU HAVE AN

UNLIKELY STORY OF

FORGETNESS.

JAMEEL, I READ YOUR STORY

AND I'M AMAZED THAT YOU

CAN SIT HERE WITH THE GUY

WHO PUT YOU IN JAIL AND

DID SO WRONGLY.

YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANY DRUGS

ON YOU.

AND YOU ESSENTIALLY GET

FRAMED.

YES.

Gordon: BY THE POLICE

WHO YOU SUPPOSED TO BE

PROTECTING YOU, YOU GET

FRAMED.

YES.

Gordon: SO HOW DID

YOU FORGIVE?

H'MMM...I ALLOWED GOD

IN.

I ALLOWED GOD IN MY LIFE.

AND ESSENTIALLY I KNEW I

HAD A SON, MY CHILD, AND I

DIDN'T WANT HIM TO

EVALUATE MY PATH AND

RECREATE IT INTO HIS OWN.

I KNEW I HAD TO LET THIS

GO.

GOD IS TELLING ME TO LET

IT GO.

I NEED TO LET IT GO.

AND ULTIMATELY IT WAS

HURTING ME MORE THAN

ANYBODY.

Gordon: I THINK

THAT'S A STRONG MESSAGE,

JUST THAT PHRASE: I NEED

TO LET IT GO BECAUSE IT

WAS HURTING ME.

A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HOLD

ANGER AND HOLD RESENTMENT

NEVER GET TO THAT POINT.

IT JUST BECOMES THEM.

IT BECOMES THEM.

HOW DID YOU SEE THAT?

HOW DID YOU SEE THIS ISN'T

WHAT I WANT TO BE?

BECAUSE IT WAS LEADING

ME DOWN THE SAME ROAD THAT

I'VE ALWAYS BEEN.

AND I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO

CONTINUE THAT.

I DIDN'T WANT THAT LIFE

FOR MY SON.

I WANT FOR HIM AND OTHER

KIDS THAT LOOK LIKE MY

SON -- I WANT THEM TO DO

SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN I

DID.

I DIDN'T WANT THEM TO MAKE

THE SAME MISTAKES THAT

JAMEEL DID.

I DIDN'T HAVE THAT

POSITIVE ROLE MODEL TO

SAY, HEY, DON'T DO THAT.

DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

I WANT TO GIVE THAT TO MY

SON AND OTHER KIDS LIKE

HIM.

Gordon: OKAY.

ANDREW, LET'S TALK YOUR

JOURNEY.

HERE YOU ARE THE POLICE,

YOU'RE SORT OF THE EXPERT

AS DRUG BUSTS.

THAT'S YOUR IDENTITY.

THAT'S YOUR EGO.

AND YOU GO FROM THAT TO

BEING CAUGHT FOR A LOT OF

BAD THINGS, NOT JUST

FRAMING PEOPLE, BUT A LOT

OF BAD THINGS.

YEAH.

Gordon: AND THEN YOU

HAVE TO COME TO GRIPS WITH

WHO YOU ARE.

RIGHT.

Gordon: WHAT HAPPENED

WITH YOU?

YES.

I STARTED POLICE WORK

BECAUSE I WANTED TO SAVE

LIVES.

I WANTED TO BRING PEACE IN

PEOPLE'S LIVES.

I GREW UP IN A HOUSE WITH

DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, AND ONE

DAY THE POLICE WERE

CALLED, AND HE BROUGHT

PEACE IN MY HOME.

FROM THAT POINT ON, I JUST

WANTED TO BE A POLICE

OFFICER.

I STARTED WITH REALLY GOOD

INTENTIONS.

AND I WAS A REALLYED GOOD

POLICE OFFICER BEFORE I

WAS A REALLY BAD POLICE

OFFICER.

I DON'T THINK ANYBODY

WAKES UP AND SAYS, I'M

GOING TO STEAL

$1 MILLION -- THEY START

WITH $10, AND IT LEADS TO

THAT.

BY THE END OF MY CAREER, I

WAS A FULL-BLOWN CORRUPT

POLICE OFFICER.

STEALING MONEY FROM

PEOPLE, STEALING MONEY

FROM THE CITY I WORK FOR,

PLANTING DRUGS IN CRIME

SCENES, AND IT CAME TO A

HEAD WHEN I WAS CAUGHT

WITH CRACK AND MARIJUANA

IN MY OFFICE.

I HAD COME TO JESUS WHEN I

WAS SEVEN AS MY SAVIOR --

YOU CAN BE MY SAVIOR,

THANK YOU FOR DYING FOR MY

SINS, BUT LORDSHIP, THAT'S

MY ROLE AND I'LL TAKE

THAT.

AND I FOUND MYSELF SITTING

IN A PASTOR'S OFFICE,

CRYING MY EYES OUT,

BECAUSE MY LIFE HAD

CRUMBLED.

MY CAREER WAS GONE.

MY FRIENDS WERE GONE.

MY WIFE WAS CONFUSED -- I

HAD JUST GOT CAUGHT WITH

DRUGS.

AND THAT'S WHEN I TURNED

TO JESUS AS NOT ONLY THE

SAVIOR OF MY LIFE, BUT THE

LOVE OF MY LIFE.

Gordon: I THINK YOU

SAID SOMETHING REMARKABLY

KEY, THAT YOU STARTED OFF

WITH SOMETHING SMALL.

AND YOU THINK YOU GET AWAY

WITH IT --

YEAH.

Gordon: BUT THEN IT

TRIGGERS, I CAN DO THAT

AGAIN AND I CAN DO THAT

AGAIN.

AND IT REALLY DOESN'T

MATTER WHAT IT IS, BUT

YOU'RE A SLAVE TO IT.

AND THERE WERE SO MANY

TIMES IN MY CAREER WHEN I

TOOK A STANCE AND SAID, NO

MORE.

I'M NOT DOING THIS

ANYMORE.

AND THE VERY SAME DAY, I

WOULD HAVE A TEMPTATION

COME ACROSS MY PLATE.

I WOULD LIFT A MATTRESS,

AND THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF

DOLLARS UNDER THE

MATTRESS, AND I'M THE ONLY

ONE IN THE ROOM.

I WOULD SAY I'M NOT GOING

TO DO THIS ANYMORE, BUT

THERE WAS AN ENEMY WHO

WANTED TO OFFER UP

TEMPTATION, AND I WAS SO

FAR DEEP IN MY PIT I

COULDN'T PULL MYSELF OUT.

Gordon: DO YOU THINK

WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU WAS

GOD ORCHESTRATING IT FOR

HIS BENEFIT, I WANT YOU?

I HAD PEOPLE TELL ME

WHEN YOU WERE BORN, GOD

KNEW YOU WERE COMING TO

PRISON.

I SAID, I DON'T THINK THAT

WAS HIS MISSION, BUT HE

CAN USE ALL OF OUR BAD FOR

HIS GOOD.

THERE WERE PLENTY OF TIMES

I HAD IN CLIN NATIONS

WHERINCLINATIONS WHERE INEEDED TO STOP.

AND FINALLY GOD SAID, I'M

NOT GOING TO LET YOU HURT

ANYMORE PEOPLE.

THROUGH HIS GRACE, HE

ALLOWED ME TO FALL AT THAT

POINT IN PRISON.

BECAUSE IF I HAD KEPT

GOING, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN

A LONGER PRISON SENTENCE

OR I WOULD HAVE BEEN DEAD.

Gordon: LET'S FAST

FORWARD.

YOU GO TO JAIL AND YOU GO

TO JAIL.

YOU BOTH GET OUT, AND THEN

YOU MEET.

THAT COULD HAVE BEEN AN

EXPLOSIVE SITUATION AND IT

TURNED OUT TO NOT BE ONE.

YEAH.

Gordon: WHY?

YEAH.

[LAUGHTER]

GOD -- IT COULD HAVE

VERY WELL BEEN THAT

EXPLOSIVE SITUATION, BUT

GOD INTERVENED.

HE WANTED SOMETHING

DIFFERENT.

HE HAD A DIFFERENT PLAN

FOR THE BOTH OF US.

EVEN THOUGH WE COULDN'T

SEE IT THEN AND IN THOSE

MOMENTS, BUT GOD WAS

ALREADY FORMING THE PLAN.

AND HE JUST WANTED US TO

FOLLOW IT.

AND ULTIMATELY, I FOLLOWED

THAT PLAN.

Gordon: LET'S GET TO

THE "ULTIMATELY."

BECAUSE I THINK AT THAT

MEETING, YOU LEFT ANDREW

WITH AN EMOTIONAL MEMORY.

IT WASN'T A PHYSICAL

ENCOUNTER, BUT YOU LEFT

HIM WITH AN EMOTIONAL

MEMORY.

[LAUGHTER]

Gordon: HOW DID YOU

TWO BECOME FRIENDS?

YEAH.

SO I WAS WORKING AT A

NON-PROFIT, AND JAMEEL WAS

PART OF THE "JOBS FOR

LIFE" PROGRAM.

ONE DAY THE DIRECTOR SAID,

HEY, I THINK GOD HAS LAID

IT ON MY HEART YOU SHOULD

MENTOR ZOOKIE, AND DO YOU

KNOW ZOOKIE?

AND I SAID, I DON'T THINK

I KNOW HIM.

AND THIS IS ZOOK YEAH YEAHIE BY THE

WAY.

HEY, JAMEEL, WE FINALLY

HAVE YOUR MENTOR.

WE UNDERSTAND HE MAY HAVE

DONE SOME THINGS, AND WE

CAN CHANGE HIM ANY TIME

YOU WANT, AND WE CAN GET

YOU SOMEBODY ELSE.

AND I WAS, LIKE, WHO IS

IT?

AND HE WAS, LIKE, ANDREW

COLLINS.

AND I SAID, NO WAY.

AND WE MET AT THE CAFE,

AND WHEN I REALIZED WHO HE

WAS, I STARTED APOLOGIZING

AGAIN.

AND HE WAS WAVING ME OFF,

LIKE, IT'S ALL GOOD.

IT'S FORGIVEN.

IT'S OVER.

AND I SAID, CAN WE DO THIS

MENTOR/MENTE THING, AND HE

SAID, I THINK GOD WANTS US

TO.

AND THAT WAS IN THE FALL

OF 2015, AND IN THE SPRING

OF 2016, WE WERE WORKING

TOGETHER IN THE CAFE,

GETTING TO KNOW EACH

OTHER, AND CBS PICKED UP

THE STORY, AND GOD HAS

BEEN OPENING PLATFORMS TO

SHARE ABOUT HIS GRACE AND

RECONCILIATION.

Gordon: I THINK YOU

TWO HAVE A STORY THAT

REALLY FITS WHAT IS GOING

ON IN AMERICA TODAY, BOTH

THE INJUSTICE AND HOW DO

YOU GET THROUGH THAT

INJUSTICE TO

RECONCILIATION.

TO A POINT OF FRIENDSHIP,

A BOND THAT TRANSCENDS

EVERYTHING THAT HAS

HAPPENED BETWEEN YOU.

I JUST THINK IT IS

ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE.

DO YOU FEEL THAT WAY?

OH, YEAH.

I DO.

I DEFINITELY THINK I DO

BECAUSE I'M HOPEFUL THAT

THIS TYPE OF ILLUSTRATION

WILL SHOW OTHERS THAT IT

IS POSSIBLE.

IT CAN BE DONE.

YOU CAN GET THROUGH IT.

AND IN THAT, GOD WILL USE

WHATEVER YOUR BROKENNESS

IS.

YOUR HURTNESS -- HE WILL

USE IT FOR THE GOOD IF YOU

ALLOW HIM.

AMEN.

Gordon: WHAT WOULD

YOU SAY IS THE FIRST STEP?

LETTING GO.

LETTING GO OF THE REINS.

LET GOD CONTROL IT.

THERE ARE SO MANY US

VERSUS THEM SCENARIOS IN

OUR WORLD.

IT IS EASY TO SLAP ON MY

BUBUMPER STICKER AND SAY,

THIS IS WHAT I THINK AND I

DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK.

WHEN DID WE LOSE THE ART

OF HAVING A GOOD

CONVERSATION AND WALK AWAY

AND STILL BE FRIENDS.

Gordon: IT IS EASIER

TO BE ANGRY ABOUT IT THAN

TO SAY, LET'S WORK THIS

THROUGH.

WE NEED TO BE ONE NATION

UNDER GOD.

YEAH.

Gordon: IF YOU WANT

TO HEAR MORE OF THEIR

STORY, THEY HAVE A BOOK,

AND ITS CALLED

"CONVICTED," AND IT IS

AVAILABLE IN STORES

NATIONWIDE.

THANK YOU BOTH FOR BEING

HERE.

IT IS A GREAT STORY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

Gordon: STILL TO

COME, SEE HOW A CARTOON

BROUGHT THIS FAMILY CLOSER

TOGETHER.

THEY'RE LEARNING VALUES

AND IT IS ENTERTAINING FOR

THEM.

USUALLY WE'LL GATHER

HERE AND WATCH IT.

Gordon: THAT'S NEXT,

WHEN WE COME BACK.

Gordon: THE SPENCER

FAMILY HAS THE ENTIRE

"SUPERBOOK" COLLECTION.

TAKE A LOOK.

Reporter: WHEN THE

LATEST EPISODE OF

"SUPERBOOK" ARRIVES IN THE

MAIL, THE WHOLE SPENCER

FAMILY GETS EXCITED.

MY SON WILL JUMP UP AND

DOWN AND I'LL OPEN IT UP

FOR HIM.

AND USUALLY WE'LL GATHER

UP ALL TOGETHER HERE AND

WATCH IT.

Reporter: THEY HAVE

THE ENTIRE "SUPERBOOK"

COLLECTION.

NATE'S DAD, KYLE, LOVES

WHAT "SUPERBOOK" TEACHES

THE KIDS ABOUT THE BIBLE.

THEY'RE LEARNING A LOT

AND GRASPING IT AT A

FASTER RATE THAN I DID

WHEN I WAS GROWING UP.

Reporter: AND HE ALSO

APPRECIATES THEY'RE

LEARNING BIBLICAL VALUES.

MY SON, IN PARTICULAR,

IS VERY KIND-HEARTED.

BUT HE GETS A LOT OF THOSE

VALUES BY WATCHING THE

SHOW.

AND HE INTERACTS WITH HIS

SISTER A LOT IN THOSE

WAYS.

THEY KIND OF INTERACT WITH

EACH OTHER THAT WAY.

Reporter: "SUPERBOOK"

EVEN HAS 3-YEAR-OLD

JULIANNA'S ATTENTION.

WITH THE 3-YEAR-OLD,

SHE IS ACTUALLY STARTING

TO SIT DOWN AND WATCH IT

MORE AS A STORY.

SHE IS GETTING MORE

EXCITED ABOUT IT.

SHE'LL PUT HER HANDS UP

AND SCREAM AT THE SCREEN

AT CERTAIN POINTS OR KIND

OF HUM THE MELODY OF THE

MUSIC IN IT.

Reporter: WHAT MAKES

IT EVEN MORE SPECIAL FOR

KYLE IS THAT IT BRINGS THE

KIDS TOGETHER.

I'M THANKFUL FOR THE

CREATORS AND THE PRODUCERS

BEHIND THE SHOW.

THEY CREATED SOMETHING

THAT HELPS BUILD A

STRONGER RELATIONSHIP WITH

US.

IT HAS AN AFFECT ON THE

KIDS.

IT IS SOMETHING THEY CAN

TAKE WITH THEM AND THEY

CAN GROW UP ON.

THEY'RE LEARNING VALUES

AND IT IS ENTERTAINING FOR

THEM.

Gordon: IF YOU WANT

TO GET COPIES OF THESE

EPISODES, ALL YOU HAVE TO

DO IS JOIN THE "SUPERBOOK"

D.V.D. CLUB, AND FOR A

GIFT OF $25 OR MORE, WE'LL

SEND YOU THREE COPIES OF

OUR NEWEST EPISODE.

IT IS EXPLORERS 11, AND IT

FEATURES THE STORY OF JOB

AND THE GOOD SAMARITAN.

IN ADDITION, IT ALSO HAS

THE BIBLE BACKGROUND

VIDEOS, WHERE WE GO INTO

THE HISTORY AND ARCHEOLOGY

OF THE EPISODE, AS WELL AS

MUSIC VIDEOS, AND THEN

THERE IS A DRAWING LESSON

SO YOUR CHILD CAN LEARN

HOW TO DRAW.

IF YOU WANT IT, CALL US

NOW: 1-800-700-7000.

OR YOU CAN GO TO cbn.com

AND D.V.D. MEMBERS, YOU

GET TO STREAM ALL OF

SEASON ONE AND SEASON TWO

FOR FREE.

AND IT'S GOT SPANISH

AUDIO, A LOT OF DIFFERENT

THINGS.

AND THE BEST PART: YOU'RE

DONATION WILL GO INTO THE

PRODUCTION COSTS,

TRANSLATION COSTS,

DISTRIBUTION COSTS SO THE

CHILDREN OF THE WORLD CAN

GET THE STORIES OF THE

BIBLE.

> HERE IS A WORD FOR YOU

FROM 1 CORINTHIANS: "LET

ALL THAT YOU DO BE DONE

WITH LOVE."

LET THAT BE A WATCH WORD

FOR YOU TODAY.

GOD BLESS YOU, WE'LL SEE

YOU AGAIN.

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