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700 Club Interactive - October 5, 2017

Author of Daring to Hope, Katie Davis Majors gave up college and moved to Uganda at the age of 18 and started what would become a thriving organization. Read Transcript


Gordon: SHE HAD A

HEART FOR UGANDA, AND

LATER ADOPTED 13 GIRLS.

"NEW YORK TIMES"

BEST-SELLING AUTHOR KATIE

DAVIS MAJORS JOINS US TO

DISCUSS FINDING HOPE IN

THE MIDST OF TRIAL.

PLUS, EFREM GRAHAM IS BACK

WITH THIS WEEK'S TOP FIVE

STORIES FROM THE WORLD OF

ENTERTAINMENT.

ALL OF THAT AND MORE ON

TODAY'S "700 CLUB

INTERACTIVE."

> WELL, WELCOME TO THE

SHOW.

HERE IS A LOOK AT THIS

WEEK TOP FIVE FROM "STUDIO

5."

Efrem: AT NUMBER

FIVE...FAREWELL TO A

FAMILY-FRIENDLY FAVORITE.

EVERYONE SAY SOMETHING

THAT NOBODY ELSE KNOWS

THAT YOU FEEL BAD ABOUT

BUT YOU'LL FEEL BETTER

AFTER YOU SAY IT.

I USED DAD'S

TOOTHBRUSH.

WHAT?

NOT IN MY MOUTH.

Reporter: "THE

MIDDLE" STARTS ITS LAST

SEASON.

PATRICIA HEATON TELLS WHAT

SHE LIKES BEST ON THE SET?

YOU PUT YOUR HAND OUT,

AND SOMEBODY WILL GIVE YOU

WATER OR TWISSLERS, I PUT

MY HAND OUT AT HOME, AND

NOTHING HAPPENS.

Efrem: AT NUMBER

FOUR...

THE SERIES IS DRAWING TO A

CLOSE.

* I SAY IT IS TOO HARD NOT

TO *

Efrem: THE TINA

CAMPBELL HALF OF THE DUO

IS EMBARKING ON A 20-CITY

TOUR.

IT IS CALLED "IT'S STILL

PERSONAL," AND SO IS IT

STILL PERSONAL?

LET ME TELL YOU, THE

RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD --

I'M SO GOD-POSSESSED IT IS

NOT EVEN FUNNY.

THE TRUTH IS, MY

RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD WAS

NOT AS PERSONAL AS IT IS

NOW.

Efrem: AT NUMBER

THREE...

* I CAN ONLY IMAGINE

Efrem: THE STORY

BEHIND THAT WIDELY POPULAR

SONG IS NOW A MAJOR MOTION

PICTURE.

IT IS AN AMAZING SONG.

IT KIND OF HAPPENED.

IT TOOK ABOUT 10 MINUTES,

I GUESS.

IT DIDN'T TAKE YOU 10

MINUTES TO WRITE THIS.

IT TOOK A LIFETIME.

Efrem: THIS WEEK'S

"STUDIO 5" GOT A SNEAK

PEEK AT THE IRWIN

BROTHER'S FILM STARRING

DENNIS QUAID.

AND HE SAID, I'VE NEVER

PLAYED A ROLE LIKE THIS

BEFORE.

AND CAN PEOPLE REALLY

CHANGE LIKE THIS?

CAN THIS REALLY HAPPEN?

WHEN I WAS 10, 11 YEARS

OLD, LIFE WAS TOUGH.

AND I FOUND SOME SONGS

THAT I JUST -- MAN, I HELD

ON TO.

AND THEY GOT ME THROUGH.

THEY GAVE ME HOPE.

BECAUSE I NEEDED IT.

MAYBE TONIGHT SO DO YOU.

Efrem: THE FILM HITS

THEATERS IN MARCH.

> AT NUMBER

TWO...HIP-HOP LEGEND M.C.

LIGHT ANSWERS A SOMETIMES

VULGAR VIOLENT CHALLENGE,

WRAPPING PRAISES ABOUT OUR

FAITH IN GOD.

I CAME OUT OF SIN FOR

THE LORD.

BUT EVERY NOW AND THEN

FOR THE LORD.

YOU AIN'T THERE.

YOU JUST WAITING ON THE

LORD, RIGHT?

Efrem: HASHTAG, FOR

THE DEED, HAS SOME

CELEBRITIES REVEALING

OUTLANDISH THINGS THEY

WOULD DO FOR SEX.

I'D STAND ON THE

MOUNTAIN FOR THE LORD.

OH, YES.

HALLELUJAH.

HALLELUJAH.

Efrem: AT NUMBER

ONE...

WHAT IN THE WORLD --

HANG ON A SECOND.

WHO ARE YOU?

THAT'S PLUTO, OUR NEW

STRAY DOG.

Efrem: "THE STRAY,"

IS THE TRUE LIFE STORY OF

A DOG SAVING AN ENTIRE

FAMILY.

THIS ISN'T WORKING

ANYMORE, YOU WORKING FOR

THE STUDIO DAY AND NIGHT.

WHAT ABOUT OUR DREAMS?

MY DREAM IS A HAPPY

FAMILY, AND WE'RE NOT

DOING SO WELL.

Efrem: AT WHAT POINT,

WHEN YOU'RE LIVING THIS

PHASE OF YOUR LIFE, I'VE

GOT A MOVIE?

YOU KNOW, I NEVER

REALLY REALIZED THAT UNTIL

TWO YEARS AGO, OUR

YOUNGEST SON CAME TO MY

WIFE AND I AND SAID, HEY,

I'VE BEEN THINKING, I WANT

TO MAKE A MOVIE OUT OF THE

PLUTO LIGHTNING STORY.

AND MY WIFE AND I WERE,

LIKE, WHAT?

IT WAS KIND OF A PRIVATE

STORY, A SACRED FAMILY

STORY THAT GOT PASSED

DOWN.

OUR YOUNGEST WAS THE ONLY

ONE OF OUR FIVE CHILDREN

WHO WAS NOT ALIVE WHEN IT

HAPPENED.

Efrem: "THE STRAY" IS

IN THEATERS THIS FAMILY.

Gordon: EFREM GRAHAM

IS HERE.

"THE STRAY," DO YOU THINK

IT IS GOING TO BE A HIT?

Efrem: I HOPE PEOPLE

SEE IT AND THAT'S THE

REASON I'M SHARING IT.

IT IS A VERY WELL-DONE

FILM, AND IT IS BASED ON A

FULL STORY.

I THINK IT IS BEAUTIFUL,

AND MY PRAYER IS PEOPLE

WOULD GO OUT AND SUPPORT

IT.

IT IS HOW THIS STRAY DOG

CAME INTO THIS FAMILY'S

LIFE AND LITERALLY SAVED

IT.

I TRULY, AFTER SEEING THIS

FILM, BELIEVE GOD

ORCHESTRATED THAT DOG

COMING INTO THEIR LIVES

AND TRANSFORMING IT.

THIS IS A REAL HOLLYWOOD

EXECUTIVE, WHO'S LIFE WAS

SO BUSY HE WASN'T TAKING

CARE OF HIS FAMILY, AND

THE DOG HELPED HIM TO

REALIZE, YOU'RE ON THE

WRONG PATH, SON.

I'LL BE TAKING MY DAUGHTER

TO SEE IT.

I'LL BE IN THAT NUMBER,

AND I HOPE A LOT OF PEOPLE

SEE IT.

IT IS REALLY WELL-DONE.

Gordon: "I CAN ONLY

IMAGINE," NOW A MOVIE.

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

Efrem: I TOOK MY

DAUGHTER TO SEE IT --

THERE WAS A SCREENING THIS

WEEK -- AND I WAS ENJOYING

IT.

I WAS CONCERNED WITH

WHETHER OR NOT SHE WAS

GOING TO LIKE IT -- SHE IS

ONLY NINE YEARS OLD.

AND I LOOKED OVER AND MY

DAUGHTER WAS CRYING.

AND I SAID, THIS IS A GOOD

FILM.

IF YOU CAN KEEP THE

ATTENTION OF A 9-YEAR-OLD

TALKING ABOUT THE STORY

BEHIND A SONG, IT'S SO

WELL-DONE.

THE IRWIN BROTHERS SAY

THIS IS THEIR BEST FILM,

AND I WOULD AGREE.

I'VE SEEN, I THINK, ALL OF

THEIR FILMS, AND THIS IS

AN EMOTIONALLY GRIPPING

FILM.

Gordon: THEY'VE NOW

BECOME A BRAND.

Efrem: YES.

Gordon: IRWIN

BROTHERS PRODUCTIONS,

THEY'RE A STUDIO IN THE

MAKING.

Efrem: THEY OF.

A GREAT, GREAT FILM.

I CAN'T WAIT FOR PEOPLE TO

SEE IT IN MARCH.

IT WAS A ROUGH CUT THAT WE

SAW, AND MINOR CHANGES

THEY'LL NEED TO MAKE, BUT

IT IS BEAUTIFULLY DONE.

Gordon: THAT'S

ENCOURAGING BECAUSE THAT

IS QUITE A SONG.

Efrem: I HAD NO IDEA

OF AMY GRANT'S CONNECTION

TO THE SONG, MICHAEL

SMITH'S CONNECTION TO THE

SONG, AND THE STORY BEHIND

IT.

JESUS CHRIST TRANSFORMED

HIS FATHER.

THIS IS NOT THE SAME MAN

WE MEET AT THE START OF

THE FILM AND THE END OF

THE FILM.

AND THE IRWIN BROTHERS DO

A GOOD JOB WITH TELLING

THAT STORY.

Gordon: ALL RIGHT,

"MARY, MARY" IS CLOSING.

WHY?

Efrem: THEY BOTH SAID

IT WAS TIME.

THE BEAUTIFUL THING ABOUT

TINA CAMPBELL'S STORY IS

SHE LIVED HER DRAMA ON

THAT REALITY SERIES.

SHE LEARNED WHILE FILMING

THE REALITY SERIES, THAT

HER HUSBAND WAS CHEATING,

AND CHOSE NOT TO STOP THE

CAMERAS, BUT ALLOWED THEM

TO WATCH THIS PLAY OUT IN

HER LIFE.

THIS WAS THE LAST SEASON.

IT WAS AMONG THE

HIGHEST-RATED SEASONS FOR

THEM.

AND THIS SEASON IS LOOKING

TO DO EVEN BETTER.

IN TALKING TO HER, SHE

SAID, ESSENTIALLY, YOU

KNOW, I HAD TO DECIDE THAT

I WAS GOING TO FORGIVE,

BUT I HAVE TO SAY WORKING

THROUGH THIS WITH MY

HUSBAND, I AM NOW CLOSER

TO GOD THAN I EVER HAVE

BEEN.

AND I REALIZE THAT MY

RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD --

NOT ONLY WAS I HAVING

PROBLEMS WITH MY

RELATIONSHIP WITH MY

HUSBAND, BUT PART OF IT

WAS MY RELATIONSHIP WITH

GOD WASN'T WHAT IT SHOULD

HAVE BEEN.

SO WE SEE THAT PLAY OUT IN

THE LAST SEASON.

AND THIS SEASON WE SEE

THEIR RELATIONSHIP

BLOSSOM.

BUT SHE IS NOW EMBARKING

ON A SOLO TOUR.

AND I THINK IT SPEAKS

VOLUMES OF E ENCOURAGEMENT

TO ALL OF US BELIEVERS WHO

SUFFER WITH DIFFICULTY.

Gordon: THAT'S WHY IT

IS SO POPULAR, THAT IT IS

NOT TRYING TO GLOSS IT

OVER OR HIDE IT.

IT IS SAYING, HERE I AM,

WARTS AND ALL.

AND EVEN THOUGH I HAVE

MADE THE DECISION FOR

CHRIST, LIFE JUST SO

HAPPENS.

Efrem: YES.

LIFE STILL HAPPENS.

Gordon: HOW DO I WALK

IT OUT WHEN LIFE STILL

HAPPENS?

AND WHEN LIFE HAPPENS,

PEOPLE AROUND YOU, PEOPLE

VERY CLOSE TO YOU, CAN

MAKE SOME VERY SERIOUS

MISTAKES, AND WHAT DO YOU

DO WITH THAT?

Efrem: AND SHE SAID

TO ME, I KNOW IT WAS THE

HOLY SPIRIT BECAUSE HAD I

KNOWN, WHEN I SAID, OKAY,

LET THE CAMERAS CONTINUE

TO ROLL THAT IT WAS

ACTUALLY GOING TO GET

WORSE BEFORE IT WOULD

BETTER, I PROBABLY WOULD

HAVE BACKED OFF.

BUT IT WAS THE HOLY SPIRIT

THAT SAID, LET IT GO, AND

SHE DID.

AND I THINK IT BLESSED

MANY PEOPLE.

Gordon: I THINK IN

MANY WAYS IT IS EASIER TO

BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT YOUR

OWN FAILINGS, BUT YOUR

REACTION TO OTHER PEOPLE,

IT'S HARDER.

Efrem: INDEED, IT IS.

Gordon: IT IS HARDER

TO SAY, ON A CONTINUAL

BASIS, I FORGIVE.

Efrem: I CHOOSE TO

FORGIVE.

YOU HAVE TO CHOOSE TO LOVE

AND YOU HAVE TO CHOOSE TO

FORGIVE.

Gordon: AND SOMETIMES

YOU HAVE TO CHOOSE EVERY

DAY.

AND SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO

CHOOSE MULTIPLE TIMES A

DAY.

AND SOMETIMES IT GETS INTO

70 TIMES 70 TIMES 70.

AND WHERE DO YOU GO WITH

THAT?

Efrem: THE BIBLE IS

REAL.

[LAUGHTER]

Gordon: AND THE SHOW

IS.

BUT FOR HER SOLO CAREER

NOW, WHAT DO YOU THINK?

Efrem: I TOLD HER THE

FIRST TIME I HEARD THAT

SONG THAT IS THEIRS,

CALLED "IT IS TOO HARD NOT

TO FORGIVE," I DIDN'T EVEN

REALIZE IT WAS HER.

I THOUGHT, WHAT A

BEAUTIFUL VOICE, SO PURE.

AND THEN SOMEBODY SAID

THAT IS TI TINA CAMPBELL, AND

I SAID, OH, WOW.

I DON'T THINK SHE WILL

HAVE A PROBLEM STAYING IN

THE MUSIC BUSINESS WITH

HER SISTER OR WITHOUT HER

SISTER.

SO THEY'RE STILL INTACT,

BUT THEY'RE JUST DOING

SOLO THINGS.

THEY'RE NOT SPLITTING AT

ALL.

I THINK THIS IS HER SECOND

SOLO ALBUM, AND I CAN'T

IMAGINE IT NOT DOING WELL.

Gordon: A STAR IS

BORN AGAIN.

Efrem: I LIKE THAT.

Gordon: "THE MIDDLE,"

IT IS HARD TO BELIEVE IT

HAS BEEN ON NINE YEARS.

AND NOW THEY'RE WRAPPING.

Efrem: THEY'RE

WRAPPING.

AND I THINK I READ IT IS

NOW AVAILABLE ON HULU, SO

YOU CAN WATCH ALL NINE

SEASONS.

IT HAS BEEN A GOOD RUN,

AND IT IS A VERY WELL-DONE

FAMILY SHOW.

MY KIDS AND I WATCH IT

TOGETHER, AND WE HAVE A

GOOD LAUGH EVERY WEEK.

SO I'M GLAD IT IS BACK.

I WATCHED IT LAST NIGHT,

AS A MATTER OF FACT.

Gordon: I LIKE THE

TEASE.

MAYBE I NEED TO TRY THAT

ONSET, JUST HOLD OUT MY

HAND --

Efrem: AND SOMEBODY

BRING ME TWISSLERS AND

WATER.

WE'LL HAVE TO WAIT A LONG

TIME.

Gordon: EFREM

GRAHAM'S SHOW IS "STUDIO

5."

WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK.

Efrem: I'LL BE HERE.

THANK YOU.

Gordon: COMING UP,

HELPING PEOPLE ALL OVER

THE WORLD.

FIND OUT WHY THIS COUPLE

SAYS THEY'RE GIVING BUT

GETTING MORE IN RETURN.

WE'LL FIND OUT MORE RIGHT

Gordon: JIM AND DONNA

NELLIUS STAY BUSY

TRAVELLING THE COUNTRY FOR

BUSINESS, AND AT THE SAME

TIME, THEY'RE TAKING THE

GOSPEL TO CHILDREN ALL

AROUND THE WORLD BY

SUPPORTING CBN'S AN THE

MATED PROGRAM "SUPERBOOK."

Reporter: AS

RETIREMENT COMMUNITY

MANAGERS, JIM AND DONNA

DON'T STAY IN ONE PLACE

FOR LONG.

THEY TRAVEL THE COUNTRY,

FILLING IN FOR OTHER

MANAGERS ON VACATION.

EVEN WITH ALL OF THE

MOVING AROUND, SOME THINGS

STAY CONSISTENT, LIKE

TITHING TO THEIR CHURCH

AND GIVING TO CBN.

WHEREVER WE GO, WHEN WE

WORK, WE GO TO DIFFERENT

CHURCHES, AND WE ALWAYS

WANT TO GIVE TO THAT

CHURCH.

BECAUSE I BELIEVE THERE IS

A PRINCIPLE THERE.

BUT THEN THERE ARE TITHES

AND OFFERINGS.

WE'RE TO GIVE TO

EVANGELISM, REACHING

OTHERS THAT NEED CHRIST.

WE'RE TO GIVE TO THE POOR.

WE'RE TO GIVE TO THE

ORPHANS.

AND CBN HAS MINISTRIES TO

EVERY ONE OF THOSE AREAS.

SO WHEN WE GIVE TO THEM,

THEY DIVERSIFY THAT MONEY

AND IT GOES RIGHT WHERE I

BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE

GIVEN.

THEY HELP SO MANY

PEOPLE.

IT IS ALL OVER THE WORLD.

THEY'RE NOT JUST ONE,

SMALL GROUP OF PEOPLE.

IT IS WORLDWIDE.

AND THERE IS THIS UNENDING

ARRAY OF PEOPLE THAT ARE

HELPED THROUGH THAT

GIVING.

I JUST FEEL BLESSED TO BE

PART OF IT.

Reporter: AS

GRANDPARENTS, THEY

ESPECIALLY LOVE SUPPORTING

"SUPERBOOK."

IT IS ONE WAY THEY COULD

SHARE THEIR FAITH WITH

THEIR GRANDSON, JACOB.

NO MATTER WHERE THEY ARE.

THE LAST TIME WE WERE

TOGETHER, HE TALKED ABOUT

THE "SUPERBOOK" AND THE

CARTOONS AND THE DIFFERENT

THINGS.

WE JUST SEE GOD USING THE

"SUPERBOOK" TO BRING THAT

WHOLE FAMILY, MY DAUGHTER

AND HER HUSBAND AND, OF

COURSE, LITTLE JACOB,

CLOSER TO WHERE THEY NEED

TO BE.

Reporter: THEY ALSO

SEE THE BIGGER PICTURE.

I LOVE "SUPERBOOK"

BECAUSE I KNOW IT IS GOING

TO AFFECT LITTLE CHILDREN.

AND THOSE LITTLE CHILDREN

ARE GOING TO AFFECT THEIR

PARENTS.

AND I KNOW IT IS GOING TO

MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN SO

MANY CHILDREN'S LIVES.

Reporter: JIM AND

DONNA SEE THEIR GIVING AS

PART OF GOD'S PLAN FOR

REACHING THE WORLD AND

POURING HIS BLESSINGS ON

THEIR LIVES.

IF WE GIVE TO GOD, HE

IS GOING TO GIVE BACK TO

US BECAUSE HE LOVES US.

HE IS OUR FATHER.

I FEEL LIKE RIGHT

NOW -- IT'S LIKE HAVING NO

WEIGHT WHATSOEVER ON MY

SHOULDERS.

I FEEL SO FREE, IT IS NOT

EVEN FUNNY, BECAUSE OF THE

JUST FAITHFULNESS OF GOD

AND APPLYING HIS

PRINCIPLES, AND HOW THAT

REALLY MAKES ALL OF THE

DIFFERENCE.

Gordon: GIVING CAN

MAKE ALL OF THE

DIFFERENCE.

IT IS MORE BLESSED TO GIVE

THAN TO RECEIVE.

WHEN YOU DO THAT, AMAZING

THINGS START TO HAPPEN.

WHEN YOU GIVE, IT IS PART

OF GOD'S PLAN TO SAY, I'M

GOING TO GIVE UP MY DREAMS

AND AMBITIONS -- I'M GOING

TO BE PART OF GOD PLAN,

AND THEN SUDDENLY

WONDERFUL THINGS CAN START

TO HAPPEN TO YOU.

ALL HAVE YOU TO DO IS BE

OBEDIENT TO WHAT HE IS

TELLING YOU TO DO.

IF YOU WANT TO BE A PART

OF SENDING THE STORIES OF

THE BIBLE TO THE CHILDREN

OF THE WORLD, ALL YOU HAVE

TO DO IS CALL US AND SAY,

I WANT TO JOIN THE

"SUPERBOOK" D.V.D. CLUB.

FOR A GIFT OF $25 OR MORE,

WE'LL SEND YOU THE LATEST

COLLECTION OF EPISODES.

IT IS "SUPERBOOK"

EXPLORER.

AND IT HAS THE STORY OF

JOB AND THE STORY OF THE

GOOD SAMARITAN IN IT.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE THAT,

JUST CALL US:

1-800-700-7000.

AND SAY, YES, I WANT TO

JOIN THE "SUPERBOOK"

D.V.D. CLUB.

> WELL, UP NEXT, FROM

AMERICA TO UGANDA, SHE'S A

"NEW YORK TIMES"

BEST-SELLING AUTHOR.

SHE IS ALSO A MISSIONARY

AND A FOUNDER OF A

WONDERFUL ORGANIZATION.

KATIE DAVIS MAJORS IS

"DARING TO HOPE," AND SHE

JOINS US IN THE STUDIO.

DON'T GO AWAY.

Gordon: BECOMING A

MISSIONARY, AND THEN

LEAVING EVERYTHING HELPED

FOR THE SAKE OF THE

GOSPEL, THAT'S A BIG STEP

FOR ANYONE.

WELL, KATIE WAS JUST 18

YEARS OLD WHEN SHE VISITED

UGANDA AND HAD AN

EXPERIENCE THAT WOULD

CHANGE HER LIFE AND THE

LIVES OF THOSE AROUND HER.

Reporter: KATIE DAVIS

MAJORS HAS ALWAYS DREAMED

OF HAVING A FEW KIDS AND A

HOUSE WITH A WHITE PICKET

FENCE.

BUT WHEN SHE MOVED TO

UGANDA 10 YEARS AGO, KATIE

FELL IN LOVE WITH AND

ADOPTED 13 GIRLS.

AFTER THE BIOLOGICAL

MOTHER OF ONE OF HER

LONG-TERM FASTER DAUGHTERS

SHOWED UP TO CLAIM HER,

LIFE AS KATIE HAD KNOWN

IT, SEIZED TO EXIST.

IN HER BOOK "DARING TO

HOPE," KATIE SHARES HOW

SHE CHOSE FAITH IN THE

MIDST OF HER

CIRCUMSTANCES, AND WHAT

SHE ENCOUNTERED IN THE

LEAST EXPECTED PLACES.

Gordon: KATIE DAVIS

MAJORS JOINS US NOW.

YOU'RE ONE OF MY HEROS.

I THINK THE WORLD OF YOU.

I THINK IT IS AWESOME,

YOUR STORY.

THANK YOU.

Gordon: YOU WERE HEAD

OF YOUR CLASS IN HIGH

SCHOOL.

YOU COULD HAVE PICKED ANY

COLLEGE IN THE NATION.

YOU WERE 18.

YOU SAID, NO, I'M NOT

GOING TO FOLLOW THE

AMERICAN DREAM.

I'M GOING TO FOLLOW GOD'S

DREAM.

YES.

Gordon: AND I'M GOING

TO GO TO UGANDA.

AND THEN YOU WROTE A BOOK

ABOUT IT.

YES.

Gordon: "KISS FROM

KATIE," AND IT BECOME A

"NEW YORK TIMES"

BEST-SELLER, WHICH IS JUST

AWESOME.

IT SURPRISED ME.

Gordon: HERE WE ARE

10 YEARS LATER, AND

LOOKING BACK, WHAT DO YOU

THINK OF 18-YEAR-OLD

KATIE?

OH, YEAH, I ADMIRE HER

A LITTLE BIT, THIS

WILLINGNESS TO JUST GO AND

JUST DO AND JUST LOVE

PEOPLE, WITHOUT CARING

REALLY WHAT WAS EXPECTED

OR WHAT OTHER PEOPLE

THOUGHT OR WHAT I COULD

AND SHOULD DO.

BUT I ALSO THINK I WAS

VERY OPTMISTIC.

YOU KNOW, JUST THAT

EVERYTHING WOULD ALWAYS GO

WELL.

I THINK IN THE LAST 10

YEARS, GOD HAS REALLY

SHOWED ME WHO HE IS, EVEN

WHEN THINGS DON'T GO WELL

AND EVEN WHEN THERE ISN'T

THIS REALLY OPTMISTIC

HAPPY ENDING.

Gordon: IF YOU KNEW

THINGS WEREN'T GOING TO GO

WELL, WOULD YOU STILL HAVE

DONE IT?

I THINK SO.

I'M USUALLY UP FOR A

CHALLENGE.

BUT IT HAS BEEN MUCH

HARDER THAN I ORIGINALLY

ANTICIPATED.

AND AT THE SAME TIME, GOD

HAS SHOWN HIMSELF TO ME SO

MUCH MORE THAN I COULD

HAVE EVER IMAGINED.

Gordon: WELL, LET'S

TALK ABOUT ONE OF THE

THINGS THAT DIDN'T GO

WELL, WHERE YOU LOST ONE

OF YOUR ADOPTED DAUGHTERS,

JANE.

YES.

Gordon: WHAT

HAPPENED?

YEAH.

JANE WAS A LONG-TERM

FOSTER CHILD.

AND WE HAD FOSTERED OTHER

CHILDREN KIND OF

SHORT-TERM, INTENDING TO

PUT THEM BACK WITH THEIR

FAMILIES.

BUT JANE, WE WERE ALL SET

TO ADOPT.

WE HADN'T BEEN ABLE TO

FIND ANY FAMILY FOR HER TO

GO LIVE WITH.

SHE WAS COMPLETELY

ABANDONED, AND SO IT WAS

VERY SHOCKING, WHEN AFTER

HAVING HER FOR THREE

YEARS, H HER BIOLOGICAL

MOTHER SHOWED UP AND

WANTED HER BACK.

PART OF ME THOUGHT, THIS

IS GOOD, THIS IS WHAT OUR

MINISTRY IS ABOUT.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I'M

THINKING, NO, SHE'S MINE.

IN MY HEART, SHE HAD

BECOME MY CHILD.

SO I WAS DEVASTATED, AND

OUR FAMILY WAS DEVASTATED.

AND AT FOUR YEARS OLD, I

WAS REALLY THE ONLY MOTHER

SHE HAD EVER KNOWN.

AND SO IT WAS WATCHING HER

WALK THROUGH CONFUSION AND

HARDSHIP AS WELL.

AND I CRIED OUT TO GOD,

YOU KNOW, PLEASE TO NOT

LET IT BE THIS WAY.

AND TRUTH BE TOLD, HE DID

NOT ANSWER THAT PRAYER IN

THE WAY I SELFISHLY WANTED

HIM TO.

BUT HE WAS NEAR TO ME AND

HIS PRESENCE WAS REAL TO

ME EVEN IN THE MIDST OF

OUR HARDSHIP.

Gordon: WHAT DID YOU

DO WITH THAT?

WHEN PRAYERS GO

UNANSWERED, WHERE YOU

START SAYING, GOD, YOU'RE

NOT RUNNING THE UNIVERSE

RIGHT TODAY.

I'M HAVING PROBLEMS HERE.

WHERE DID YOU GO WITH

THAT?

WE STARTED TO SAY TO

GOD, OKAY, GOD, THIS ISN'T

MY IDEA OF GOOD, RIGHT?

YOU SAY IT'S GOOD, BUT I'M

NOT SEEING IT RIGHT NOW.

THERE WERE A COUPLE OF

THINGS THAT REALLY HELPED

ME IN THAT TIME.

ONE WAS JUST THE PRACTICE

OF GRATITUDE.

I BEGAN TO KIND OF LIST

DOWN AND THINK ABOUT,

OKAY, WHAT HAS GOD GIVEN

ME THAT IS GOOD?

WHAT DO I SEE THAT IS

GOOD?

AND AS I DID THAT, I

REALIZED THAT MY

BLESSINGS, THE THINGS THAT

GOD HAD DONE FOR ME FAR

OUTWEIGHED MY HARDSHIP.

AND THERE IS NO WAY TO BE

ANGRY WITH GOD WHEN WE'RE

LOOKING AROUND AND

RECOUNTING BACK TO HIM ALL

OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE

THANKFUL FOR.

AND I FOUND SO MUCH

COMFORT IN SCRIPTURE.

I FELT LIKE EVEN DAVID, HE

CAN CRY OUT TO THE LORD

HONESTLY AND SAY, THIS IS

WHAT I LIKE AND THIS IS

WHAT I DON'T LIKE.

AND I FELT LIKE GOD WAS

OKAY WITH THAT.

HE COULD TAKE MY HONESTY.

AND HE WANTED TO COMFORT

ME IN THE MIDST OF MY

HURT.

Gordon: I THINK

THAT'S ONE OF THE KEYS TO

YOUR BOOK, "DARING TO

HOPE."

YOU DON'T JUST -- YOU GO

THROUGH THE HARDSHIP, AND

FROM A SPIRITUAL JOURNEY

STANDPOINT DESCRIBE WHAT

IT TAKES TO GET THROUGH.

YOU ALSO HAD A CLOSE

FRIEND, KATHRYN -- WHAT

HAPPENED THERE?

KATHRYN WAS A WOMAN WHO

CAME TO LIVE WITH US.

SHE WAS VERY, VERY ILL.

AND SHE HAD FIVE YOUNG

CHILDREN.

SO SHE CAME TO STAY WITH

US SO I COULD HELP HER

WITH HER CHILDREN, WHO SHE

WAS TOO WEAK TO CARE FOR

AT THE TIME.

AND ALSO BECAUSE OUR HOME

IS A LOT CLOSER TO THE

LOCAL HOSPITAL THAN HERS

WAS.

SHE NEEDED TO BE RIGHT

THERE FOR HER TREATMENT.

AND, AGAIN, I REALLY

BELIEVED AND TRUSTED THAT

GOD WOULD HEAL HER.

I FULLY THOUGHT THAT THAT

WAS HIS PLAN.

AND HE DIDN'T.

WE ENDED UP BEING WITH HER

WHILE SHE DIED AND WENT TO

BE WITH JESUS.

WHILE THAT WAS A VERY

BEAUTIFUL TIME, IT WAS

ALSO A VERY DIFFICULT

TIME.

I FELT ANGRY TOWARDS HIM,

THAT HE HAD SEEN ME

BELIEVING THAT HE WOULD

HEAL HER, AND HE DIDN'T.

BUT I FELT LIKE I COULD BE

HONEST IN THAT.

I COULD BRING MY SADNESS.

I COULD BRING MY ANGER TO

HIM.

AND HE WAS GRIEVED, TOO.

YOU KNOW, THERE IS SO MUCH

SUFFERING, WORLD OVER, NOT

JUST IN UGANDA.

EVERYBODY HAS THEIR

HARDSHIPS AND THEIR

SUFFERING.

AND I THINK IT WAS JUST

SUCH A COMFORT TO ME TO

KNOW THAT GOD SAW THAT AND

HE STILL LOVED ME AND HE

STILL WANTED TO BE MY

COMFORT.

AND ULTIMATELY HE WANTS

THE WORLD TO NOT BE LIKE

THIS ANYMORE.

ONE DAY HE WILL COME BACK,

AND WE WON'T SUFFER LIKE

THIS.

Gordon: DID YOU EVER

TELL GOD, WHY DID YOU GET

ME INTO THIS?

I THINK SO.

I THINK I HAD A LOT OF

QUESTIONS.

I SAID, NO, I CAN'T DO

THIS.

AND, NO, I DON'T WANT TO

DO THIS.

AND, YOU KNOW, I FELT

COMFORT.

I EVEN ASKED HIM, YOU

KNOW, WHY?

WHY WOULD YOU PICK ME.

I FELT LIKE HE GAVE THE

ANSWER TO MY HEART THAT I

KNEW THAT YOU WOULD LOVE

THESE PEOPLE WELL.

I THINK HE SAYS THAT TO

EACH OF US AT DIFFERENT

TIMES WHEN WE SAY, OKAY,

GOD, WHY ME?

AND HE SAYS, BECAUSE I

KNOW YOU CAN BE FAITHFUL

TO ME IN THIS.

Gordon: WOW, THAT'S

AN INCREDIBLE REVELATION.

HAVE YOU EVER THOUGHT --

AND THIS IS A DANGEROUS

QUESTION TO ASK, BUT I'LL

ASK IT -- WOULD YOU DO IT

ALL OVER AGAIN?

I WOULD.

I WOULD.

AND THERE IS PART OF ME

WHERE IT IS HARD TO SAY

THAT BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN A

HARD JOURNEY.

BUT TO KNOW GOD

INTIMATELY, THE WAY I KNOW

HIM NOW, I WOULDN'T HAVE

EXPERIENCED CERTAIN SIDES

OF GOD AND CERTAIN PARTS

OF HIS CHARACTER WITHOUT

THE HARDSHIPS.

Gordon: IN READING

PAUL'S LETTERS, YOU SEE A

LOT ABOUT THE FELLOWSHIP

OF SUFFERING, AND WE MAKE

UP IN OURSELVES WHAT IS

LACKING IN THE SACRIFICE

OF CHRIST, WHICH I'VE

NEVER REALLY TRULY

UNDERSTOOD.

BUT IN TIMES WHERE I'M

GOING THROUGH IT, I GET A

GLIMPSE OF IT.

IT'S THAT SHARED

SUFFERING --

UH-HUH.

Gordon: -- WHERE YOU

FIND A BOND YOU DON'T FIND

ANY OTHER WAY.

ABSOLUTELY.

Gordon: DO YOU GET A

BETTER SENSE OF WHY JESUS

WENT TO THE CROSS BECAUSE

OF WHAT YOU WENT THROUGH?

ABSOLUTELY.

I THINK FIRST AND

FOREMOST, YOU KNOW E, HE CAN

RELATE.

ANY PAIN OR SUFFERING

WE'RE GOING THROUGH, JESUS

HIMSELF AS ALREADY BORNE

IT.

HE UNDERSTANDS IT.

AND THAT IS SO COMFORTING

TO ME.

AND ALSO, WHEN I CAN'T DO

IT, WHEN I FEEL LIKE I

JUST CAN'T DO IT, HE GIVES

US THE GRACE.

HE GIVES US THE STRENGTH

BECAUSE WE SEE THAT HE HAS

THE GRACE AND THE STRENGTH

TO ENDURE.

Gordon: I'VE GOT TO

ASK THIS AND WE DON'T HAVE

A LOT OF TIME, BUT YOU

ENDED UP GETTING MARRIED.

I DID.

Gordon:

CONGRATULATIONS.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

Gordon: DID YOU THINK

YOU WERE EVER GOING TO

MARRY?

I DIDN'T.

EVEN SITTING HERE WITH YOU

SIX YEARS AGO, I KIND OF

PUT THAT NOTION OUT OF MY

HEAD AND THOUGHT, THAT'S

PROBABLY JUST NOT

SOMETHING GOD HAS FOR ME.

WE HAVE THIS BIG FAMILY

AND THIS CRAZY LIFE, WHO

WOULD GOD BRING TO ENTER

INTO IT?

AND HE DID SO FAITHFULLY

BRING JUST THE RIGHT

PATIENT, LOVING MAN.

WE'VE BEEN MARRIED ALMOST

THREE YEARS NOW.

Gordon: IT TOOK A

LONG TIME TO CONVINCE YOU?

YES, IT DID.

Gordon: WHAT FINALLY

GOT YOU?

I JUST WATCHED BENJI

AND HIS SERVANT HEART AND

HIS LOVE FOR OTHERS.

HE HAS THIS TRUE LOVE FOR

THE LORD AND THIS TRUE

DESIRE TO SEE THE GOSPEL

GO FORTH TO ALL NATIONS.

OF COURSE I FOUND THAT SO

ATTRACTIVE.

Gordon: YAY!

BOOK IS CALLED "DARING TO

HOPE," AND I TRUST IT WILL

HELP YOU ON YOUR JOURNEY.

HERE IS A WORD FOR YOU

FROM ROMANS: "NOW MAY THE

GOD OF HOPE FILL YOU WITH

ALL JOY AND PEACE AND

BELIEVING, THAT YOU MAY

ABOUND AND HOPE BY THE

POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT."

GOD BLESS YOU.

WE'LL SEE YOU AGAIN.

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