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700 Club Interactive - October 9, 2017

Bestselling author Eric Metaxas discusses Martin Luther as we near the 500th anniversary of the Reformation. Read Transcript


Gordon: HOW DID A

HUMBLE MONK BECOME THE

MOST INFLUENTIAL MAN IN

MODERN HISTORY?

BEST-SELLING AUTHOR ERIC

METAXAS TELLS US THE TRUE

STORY OF MARTIN LUTHER,

THE MAN WHO REDISCOVERED

GOD AND CHANGED THE WORLD.

PLUS...SHE IS THE

PROPHETIC PASTOR WHO SEES

HEALINGS AND MIRACLES

WHEREVER SHE GOES.

KATHRYN IN CITE INVITES YOU TO

EXPERIENCE LIFE WITH THE

HOLY SPIRIT ON TODAY'S

"700 CLUB INTERACTIVE."

WELL, WELCOME TO THE SHOW.

ON ALL HALLOWS EVE IN

1517, IN THE TOWN THE

WHITENBURG, GERMANY, A

YOUNG MONK POSTED A LETTER

ON A CHURCH DOOR.

HE WAS JUST HOPING TO

SPARK A DEBATE.

INSTEAD, HIS ACTIONS WOULD

KICK-START A MOVEMENT AND

UP END THE WORLD IN WHICH

HE LIVED.

Reporter: HAVE YOU

EVER WONDERED WHY MOST OF

WESTERN CULTURE BELIEVES

IN EQUALITY, RELIGIOUS

FREEDOM, AND DEMOCRACY?

MARTIN LUTHER WAS A

MEDIEVAL MONK WHO PLAYED A

POWERFUL ROLE IN SHAPING

THESE IDEOLOGIES.

IN 1517, HE POSTED HIS

ESSAY, CLASHING WITH THE

VIEWS OF THE ROMAN CHURCH

AND UNINTENTIONALLY

IGNITING THE REFORMATION.

ERIC METAXAS BRINGS THIS

TO LIGHT IN HIS LATEST

BOOK.

IT GIVES INSIGHTS INTO HOW

HE HELPED CHANGE THE WAY

PEOPLE VIEW THESMSZ SAW THEMSELVES AND

THE SOCIETY.

Gordon: IT IS GREAT

TO HAVE YOU HERE.

WHAT IS THE TOP THING

PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND

ABOUT MARTIN LUTHER.

THAT'S A BIG ONE.

THIS SOUNDS LIKE

HYPERBOLE, BUT HERE IS THE

REALITY: IT IS NOT HIGH

PEHIGH.APART FROM JESUS, THIS IS

THE MOST INFLUENTIAL

FIGURE IN HISTORY.

WHAT HE DID 500 YEARS WAS

NOT INTENTIONAL, AND IT

ENDED UP OPENING THE DOOR

TO THE FUTURE, TO THE

WORLD IN WHICH WE LIVE.

EVERYTHING THAT WE TAKE

FOR GRANTED IN THE MODERN

WESTERN WORLD COMES

DIRECTLY OUT OF WHAT THIS

GUY DID EXACTLY 500 YEARS

AGO.

WE'RE CELEBRATING 500

YEARS.

IT IS A GOOD MOMENT TO

REFRESH OURSELVES ON IT.

I DIDN'T KNOW THIS, AND I

SAID TO YOU BEFORE THAT I

WAS EMBARRASSED I DIDN'T

KNOW IT.

BUT IT IS SO IMPORTANT.

WE NEED TO KNOW OUR

HISTORY.

WE NEED TO KNOW THAT

EVERYTHING THAT WE THINK

IS GOOD, AND SOME BAD

STUFF, CAME FROM THIS MAN

AND WHAT HE DID 500 YEARS

AGO.

Gordon: WHY IS IT --

I FIND IT CURIOUS THAT IN

WESTERN CULTURE TODAY WE

SEEM TO BE AGAINST WESTERN

CULTURE, AND WHY IS THAT?

AND WE DON'T UNDERSTAND

THAT WE ACTUALLY HAD A

DIFFERENT WAY OF THINKING,

AND THESE THINGS WERE NEW

IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.

AND WE DON'T TRIUMPH OVER

THEM.

LOOK, YOU KNOW THIS AND

I KNOW THIS, AND LUTHER

CERTAINLY KNEW IT.

HE DIDN'T INVENT SOME

IDEAS.

ALL OF THESE IDEAS COME

RIGHT OUT OF THE

SCRIPTURE.

BUT THEY HAD BEEN KIND OF

HIDDEN OVER 15 CENTURIES'

TRADITION, AND I WOULD

CALL IT -- IT IS A

COMBINATION OF ENTROPY --

Gordon: PEOPLE

STOPPED READING THE BIBLE.

WELL, IN A NUTSHELL,

THE MOST FUNDAMENTAL IDEAS

AT THE HEART OF THE GOSPEL

OF JESUS CHRIST HAD BEEN

OBSCURED FOR MANY REASONS.

AND THIS MAN LIVED A LIFE

THAT HE WAS SO ZEALOUS FOR

GOD, THAT IT DROVE HIM TO

THE WALL.

WHAT IS THE WHOLE POINT OF

THE LAW?

IT IS TO SHOW US THAT WE

CAN'T FOLLOW THE LAW,

RIGHT?

THE WHOLE POINT OF ALL OF

THE LAWS IS FOR GOD TO

SAY, BY THE WAY, YOU CAN'T

DO IT; YOU'RE A SINNER.

AND ONCE YOU KNOW THAT,

NOW THE TRUTH CAN SET YOU

FREE.

YOU CAN SAY, LORD, I CAN'T

DO IT, SAVE ME.

ALL OF THOSE IDEAS HAD

BEEN OBSCURED.

AND SO LUTHER WAS

OBSESSED.

HE KIND OF COMES UP

AGAINST THIS WALL AND

SAYS, WHAT ARE WE MISSING?

WE'RE MISSING SOMETHING?

EITHER GOD IS A GLOWERING

GOD WHO HATES ME OR WHAT

ELSE CAN IT BE?

AND HE DISCOVERS THE GRACE

OF GOD.

IT IS SO MONUMENTAL IN ITS

TIME.

AND IT, WHICH IS, AGAIN,

THE GOSPEL OF JESUS,

LEAVES TO EVERYTHING WE

SAY IS GOOD.

EVERY ATHEIST AND AGNOSTIC

SAYS FREEDOM IS GOOD,

PLURALISM IS GOOD, AND ALL

OF THESE THINGS WE SAY ARE

GOOD STEMS FROM THIS

MOMENT, AND 15 CENTURIES

BEFORE THE GOSPEL OF JESUS

CHRIST.

WE NEED TO MO NEED TO KNOW OUR

HISTORY.

WE NEED TO KNOW THAT ALL

OF THE THINGS WE PRAISE

COME FROM THE GOSPEL OF

JESUS CHRIST.

LET'S NOT PRETEND IT CAN

COME FROM ANY OTHER PLACE.

Gordon: WHAT WAS THE

TRIGGER POINT FOR HIM?

MENTALLY, WHAT WAS THE

TRIGGER POINT THAT GETS

HIM TO THAT?

THE TRIGGER POINT IN

HISTORY WAS INDULGENCES.

BUT THE TRIGGER POINT FOR

LUTHER WAS HIS INABILITY

TO FIND PEACE.

HE PRAISED HARDER, FASTED

MORE, CONFESSED MORE THAN

ANYBODY ELSE, AND HE

BECAME MORE MISERABLE.

AND FOR THE FIRST TIME IN

MANY CENTURIES, THERE WAS

ACCESS TO THE BIBLE.

THIS MAN SAID, I THINK

MAYBE IN THESE SCRIPTURES,

WHICH HE STUDIED IN A WAY

THAT NO CONTEMPORARIES DID

STUDY -- MAYBE IN HERE IS

THE GOLDEN KEY.

MAYBE IF I DIG HARD

ENOUGH, I CAN FIND

SOMETHING THAT WE'VE

MISSED.

AND SO HE GOES TO ROMANS

AND A FEW OF THE OTHER

PLACES.

AND HE DISCOVERS THIS

CONCEPT OF GRACE.

BUT IT TOOK HIS OWN

PERSONAL MISERY AT FAILING

TO FIND PEACE WITH GOD TO

DRIVE HIM.

I THINK BECAUSE OF HIS OWN

PAIN, WHEN HE WAS OPPOSED

BY THE POWERS THAT BE, HE

SAYS, WELL I CANNOT BACK

DOWN.

THIS IS TOO IMPORTANT.

THIS MATTERS TO GOD.

AND I FEARED GOD MORE THAN

I FEAR WHETHER YOU'RE

GOING TO BURN ME AT THE

STAKE OR SOMETHING.

IT REALLY IS AN

EXTRAORDINARILY HUMAN

STORY.

AND, AGAIN, IT LEADS TO SO

MANY THINGS THAT SO MANY

OF US TAKE FOR GRANTED.

Gordon: I THINK IN

MANY WAYS, HIS LIFE

FOLLOWS THE LIFE OF THE

APOSTLE PAUL.

HE IS A PHARISEE OF

PHARISEES.

I WAS THINKING ABOUT

THAT WHEN I SAID THE MONK.

Gordon: AND PAUL

PROPHESIZED OF A SAVIOR.

THE MERE FACT THAT YOU

CAN'T OBSERVE IT MEANS

THAT GOD HIMSELF, AS

WRITTEN IN THE SCRIPTURES,

WILL BE OUR SAVIOR.

YEAH.

Gordon: AND HE

REDISCOVERED THAT.

HE REDISCOVERS IT IN A

WAY THAT IS SO DRAMATIC.

I SAY THIS OVER AND OVER.

HE IS AN INCREDIBLY

COLORFUL FIGURE.

HE WAS VERY INTENSE.

HE WAS INTENSE AS A MONK,

PRAYING SO HARD.

BUT THEN ONCE THE

REFORMATION HAS KICKED

OFF, HIS INTENSITY AND HIS

PASSION ARE MA MANIFESTED IN

DIFFERENT WAYS.

AND HE BECOMES VERY

OUTSPOKEN AND BRASH AND

COMBATIVE.

HE WASN'T THAT EARLY ON.

BUT IT ENDS UP BEING A

VERY ENTERTAINING STORY

BECAUSE HE IS SUCH A HUMAN

HUMAN-BEING.

HE DIDN'T BEHAVE THE WAY

WE EXPECT INTELLECTUALS TO

BEHAVE.

HE WAS A LARGER THAN LIFE

FIGURE.

VERY FUNNY.

I PUT A LOT OF STUFF IN

HERE THAT IS HILARIOUS.

HE WAS VERY FUNNY.

HE SAID THINGS HE NEVER

SHOULD HAVE SAID.

IT IS KIND OF -- IT IS A

STORY FROM HISTORY THAT WE

OUGHT TO KNOW.

AND AS WE TALKED ABOUT, IT

LEADS TO EVERYTHING.

I MEAN, TO THE FOUNDERS

AND TO THE AMERICAN

FREEDOMS THAT WE ALL

EXPERIENCE AND MANY OF US

TAKE FOR GRANTED, COULD

NOT HAVE HAPPENED IF NOT

FOR THIS MONK.

Gordon: TELL US ABOUT

HIS PERSONAL LIFE.

HERE HE IS A MONK, AND

THEN HE ENDS UP GETTING

MARRIED --

YES.

Gordon: AND I THINK

ONE OF THE PRIME

COMPLAINTS, IF YOU WILL,

THAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH

HAD AGAINST HIM AT THE

TIME IS THAT HE CONVINCED

A NUN TO BREAK HER VOW.

YES.

WELL, IT'S AN INTERESTING

STORY.

I TRY TO TELL BOTH SIDES

OF THE STORY.

THIS IS NOT AN

ANTI-CATHOLIC BOOK -- I'M

A VERY PRO-CATHOLIC

NON-CATHOLIC.

THE CHURCH HAD ALIGNED

ITSELF WITH POWER SO

SIGNIFICANTLY THAT IT WAS

REALLY NOT BEING THE

CHURCH.

AND MONKS AND NUNS, FOR

EXAMPLE -- LET'S FOCUS ON

NUNS.

MANY NUNS WERE SENT TO THE

NUNERY AT AGE FIVE OR

EIGHT.

THEY HAD NO FREE WILL.

THEY WERE SENT AND THEN

THEY WERE UNABLE TO GET

OUT.

IMAGINE BEING A WOMAN OF

25 YEARS OLD AND

REALIZING, I DIDN'T CHOOSE

THIS, I DON'T LIKE THIS,

BUT I CANNOT LEAVE FOR THE

REST OF MY LIFE.

LUTHER UN UNDERSTOOD THAT THE

GOSPEL IS FREE.

IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO BE A

NUN, GREAT.

BUT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO

BE A NUN, YOU SHOULDN'T BE

FORCED BY THE LAW.

HE FELT THAT HIS

CONSCIENCE COMPELLED HIM

TO TRY TO LET SOME OF

THESE NUNS ESCAPE.

HE WAS, HIMSELF,

PERSONALLY INVOLVED IN

GETTING 12 NUNS OUT OF THE

NIMSHON MONASTERY.

AND THEY ESCAPED.

AND THEN, OF COURSE, IN

THOSE DAYS, THEY HAD TO

FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO WITH

THEMSELVES, EITHER GET

MARRIED TO SOMEBODY OR

FIND A JOB, AND THERE WERE

NOT MANY JOBS.

AND THIS ONE NUN, WHO

LUTHER THOUGHT WAS A

LITTLE UPEDY -- HE NEVER

THOUGHT HE WOULD MARRY AND

HE DIDN'T THINK HE WOULD

MARRY HER.

BUT IN A FUNNY WAY SHE

PROPOSED TO HIM, BY SAYING

TO A FRIEND OF HIS, I

DON'T WANT TO MARRY THE

PLAN YOU HAVE PLANNED FOR

ME TO MARRY.

I DON'T WANT TO MARRY HIM,

BUT I WOULD MARRY YOU OR

DR. LUTHER.

AND LUTHER SAID, WELL, ALL

RIGHT, THEN, I THINK WE'LL

MARRY.

THERE ARE A LOT OF FUNNY

THINGS IN THERE.

IT IS A BEAUTIFUL HUMAN

STORY.

AND I THINK THAT ONE THING

I DON'T WANT TO FORGET TO

SAY IS I FOUND A BUNCH OF

THINGS THAT ARE NOT REALLY

TRUE.

IN OTHER WORDS, THESE

THINGS THAT YOU HEAR OVER

AND OVER ABOUT MARTIN

LUTHER, AND I SAID, THAT'S

NOT TRUE.

THAT NEEDS DEBUNKING AND

THAT NEEDS CLARIFICATION.

BUT EVERYWHERE YOU GO,

EVERYONE SAYS THAT KATIE

LUTHER ESCAPED FROM THE

CONVENT IN A HERRING

BARREL.

THAT ALL OF THE NUNS WERE

HIDING IN BARRELS THAT HAD

BEEN USED TO TRANSPORT

SMELLY FISH.

THAT IS IN EVERY BOOK.

IT'S NOT TRUE.

WE KNOW THAT IT DIDN'T

HAPPEN.

BUT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF

THINGS THAT HAVE GROWN UP

LEGENDS AROUND LUTHER.

I WANTED TO CLARIFY SOME

THINGS, THAT IS ONE I DID

CLARIFY.

Gordon: ALL RIGHT.

WE'RE OUT OF TIME.

I TELL YOU, THIS BOOK IS

GREAT.

IT IS AN EARTHY READ.

BUT IT IS ALSO AN

INTERESTING READ.

AND YOU'LL FIND OUT THINGS

ABOUT MARTIN LUTHER YOU

DIDN'T KNOW.

IT IS CALLED, "MARTIN

LUTHER: THE MAN WHO

REDISCOVERED GOD AND

CHANGED THE WORLD."

IT IS AVAILABLE WHEREVER

BOOKS ARE SOLD.

AND WE ALSO HAVE AN

EXCLUSIVE SOCIAL INTERVIEW

WITH ERIC ON OUR

Facebook PAGE.

TO WATCH THAT, GO TO

Facebook.com/700club.

ALWAYS A PLEASURE.

MY PLEASURE.

THANK YOU, GORDON.

Gordon: COMING UP,

SHE IS THE AUSTRALIAN

PASTOR WHO SEES MIRACLES

HAPPEN WHEREVER SHE GOES.

AND SHE SAYS ALL OF US CAN

LIVE LIFE WITH THE POWER

OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.

KATHRYN JOINS US NEXT,

RIGHT AFTER THIS.

Gordon: KATHERINE

RUONALA IS KNOWN AROUND

THE WORLD FOR HAVING A

POWERFUL PROPHETIC AND

HEALING MINISTRY.

HER MINISTRY DIDN'T JUST

HAPPEN OVERNIGHT.

IT BEGAN YEARS AGO WITH A

GENUINE DESIRE TO KNOW THE

HOLY SPIRIT.

Reporter: IMAGINE

BEING IN A CONCERT AND

WEARING A BADGE WITH FULL

ACCESS INTO ALL AREAS.

KATHERINE RUONALA SAYS

THAT KIND OF ALL-ACCESS

POWER IS AVAILABLE TO US

WHEN WE PRAY.

KATHERINE AND HER HUSBAND

TOM PASTOR A CHURCH IN

BRISBANE, AUSTRALIA.

AND SHE IS ALSO THE HOST

OF HER OWN TV SHOW.

TOGETHER THEY'VE SEEN

MIRACLES HAPPEN AROUND THE

WORLD.

IN HER BOOK, "LIFE WITH

THE HOLY SPIRIT,"

KATHERINE SHARES HOW GOD

MOVES IN OUR LIVES, AND

HOW WE CAN EXPERIENCE A

GENUINE ENCOUNTER WITH THE

HOLY SPIRIT.

Gordon: KATHERINE IS

HERE AND IT IS GREAT TO

HAVE YOU BACK.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING

ME.

Gordon: YOU GOT

FILLED WITH THE HOLY

SPIRIT -- YOU SPOKE IN

TONGUES WHEN YOU WERE 14

YEARS OLD.

WHAT STARTED YOU LOOKING

FOR THAT EXPERIENCE?

YOU KNOW, I HAD GROWN

UP IN A PENTECOSTAL

CHURCH.

AND I HAD HEARD ABOUT

PRAYING IN THE SPIRIT, AND

SO I WENT AND ONE DAY THEY

HAD AN ALTER CAUL, AN CALL, AND IF

YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE

BAPTIZED IN THE HOLY

SPIRIT AND SPEAK IN

TONGUES, I WENT OUT IN THE

BACK AND RECEIVED THE GIFT

OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.

I KNEW PEOPLE PRAYED IN

TONGUES, AND I HEARD IF

YOU'RE HAVING TROUBLE, GO

TO SLEEP AND YOU CAN PRAY

IN TONGUES.

[LAUGHTER]

Gordon: I'VE NEVER

HEARD THAT ONE.

I THOUGHT I HEARD THEM

ALL.

WHEN I GOT OLDER, I

BEGAN TO READ THE STORIES

IN THE BOOK OF ACTS, AND

READ KATHRYN COLEMAN.

AND I WOULD THINK, I DON'T

KNOW IF I GOT WHAT THEY

GOT.

SO I BEGAN TO REALLY SEEK

THE LORD AND SAID, LORD, I

WANT TO BE BAPTIZED WITH

FIRE.

I THINK YOU GET WHAT YOU

EXPECT.

I EXPECTED TONGUES WHEN I

WAS 14, BUT THEN WHEN I

WAS ABOUT 23 AND I REALLY

SET MY FAITH TO SAY, LORD,

I WANT TO BE BAPTIZED WITH

FIRE, GOD DID SOMETHING IN

MY LIFE THAT HAS CHANGED

ME.

I'VE NEVER BEEN THE SAME

SINCE.

THERE IS A CLOTHING WITH

POWER FROM ON HIGH.

I THINK AN AWARENESS BY

FAITH THAT THE SPIRIT OF

GOD WANTS TO EMPOWER US.

NOW I PRAY IN TONGUES

EVERY DAY, KNOWING THAT

EVERY TIME I'M PRAYING, MY

DEEP IS CALLING OUT TO HIS

DEEP.

AND HE IS PRAYING FOR ME

ABOUT THE THINGS THAT I

REALLY NEED TO KNOW AND

EXPERIENCE AND INTERCEDING

FOR ME, WHICH IS SO

POWERFUL.

BUT I'M ALSO NOW SEEING

THE POWER OF GOD MANIFEST

IN AMAZING WAYS, AMAZING

MIRACLES.

Gordon: WHAT WAS THE

BREAKTHROUGH FOR YOU FOR

THAT?

BECAUSE I THINK IN

CHARISMATIC PENTECOSTAL

EXPERIENCE, WE CAN SOMEHOW

DIMINISH THE POWER OR

SOMEHOW MAKE GOD OUT TO BE

STINGY.

I GOT THE GIFT OF TONGUES,

BUT I DIDN'T GET THAT

GIFT.

OR GOD HASN'T GIVEN ME

THAT YET.

FOR YOU, WHAT LED TO

MANIFESTATIONS OF POWER?

I GOT HOLY FRUSTRATION,

REALLY IS THE WAY I WOULD

EXPLAIN IT.

I WOULD READ THE BIBLE,

AND HE WOULD SAY, THESE

SIGNS SHALL FOLLOW THOSE

WHO BELIEVE, AND THAT WAS

EVERYBODY.

AND I THOUGHT, WELL, I'M

NOT SEEING THAT AND YET I

BELIEVE THIS.

SO, GOD, HELP.

AND I REALLY WENT AFTER

IT.

THE BIBLE SAYS, SEEK AND

YOU WILL FIND.

SO I SOUGHT UNTIL I FOUND.

I WAS, LIKE, GOD, I WANT

THIS.

AND THEN BELIEF THAT I'VE

RECEIVED IT.

SOMETIMES WE'RE ALWAYS

THINKING, WELL, MAYBE I

HAVE TO GET SOMETHING

ELSE.

BUT WHEN WE KNOW THAT THE

HOLY SPIRIT IS IN US, HE

HAS COME UPON US, WE THEN,

I THINK, NEED TO BE LIKE

ELIJAH.

AFTER HE RECEIVED A DOUBLE

PORTION, HE PICKED UP THE

MANTEL AND STRUCK THE

WATER AND SAID, WHERE IS

THE GOD OF ELIJAH.

AND HE STARTED TO ACTIVATE

IT.

HE SAID, I'M NOT PUTTING

YOU TO THE TEST, LORD, BUT

I KNOW YOU HAVE GIVEN ME

THIS, SO I'M GOING TO STEP

OUT.

BOWHEN WE KNOW IT IS THE

WILL OF GOD TO HEAL THE

SICK, TO USE US, TO

MANIFEST HIS POWER, WE CAN

HAVE CONFIDENCE.

AND IT SAYS IN 1 JOHN 3,

IF OUR HEARTS DON'T

CONDEMN US, AND WE HAVE

CONFIDENCE TOWARDS GOD,

AND WHATEVER WE ASK WE

RECEIVE.

Gordon: SOME PEOPLE

QUESTION SPECIFICALLY ON

HEALING AND MAKE IT INTO

SOME SORT OF HOLY THING,

THAT GOD HAS PUT THIS ON

ME, SO HE HAS TO HAVE SOME

GREATER PURPOSE, OR HOW DO

I DISCERN IT IS GOD'S WILL

FOR ME RIGHT NOW?

I HEAR THESE OBJECTIONS.

THE BIBLE SAYS MANY ARE

THE AFFLICTIONS OF THE

RIGHTEOUS, BUT THE LORD

DELIVERED FROM THEM ALL.

AND THE ROCK IS JESUS.

SO IF YOU STUDY THE WORDS

OF JESUS, STUDY THE LIFE

OF JESUS, EVERY SINGLE

PERSON WHO CAME TO HIM

ASKING FOR HEALING, ASKING

FOR HELP, EVERYONE

RECEIVED WHAT THEY WERE

ASKING FOR, WITHOUT

EXCEPTION.

SO WE CAN ONLY BUILD OUR

DOCTRINE ON THE ROCK, ON

JESUS.

IF HE NEVER TURNED SOMEONE

AWAY AND SAID, IT'S BETTER

THAT YOU STAY SICK, WE

ALSO CAN'T BUILD A

DOCTRINE THAT SAYS THAT.

I UNDERSTAND.

I'VE HAD TIMES WHEN I'VE

BEEN CHRONICALLY ILL, AND

WE'VE HAD PEOPLE THAT

WE'VE PRAYED FOR THAT WE

THOUGHT, WHY AREN'T WE

SEEING AN INSTANT MIRACLE.

BUT I BELIEVE IF YOU DON'T

QUIT, YOU WIN.

[LAUGHTER]

Gordon: KEEP PRAYING

AND DO NOT GIVE UP.

IT'S TRUE.

WE HAD AN ELDER WHO HAD

STAGE FOUR BOWEL CANCER.

WE PRAYED, AND HE DIDN'T

GET INSTANTLY HEALED.

THEY DID AN OPERATION AND

IT DIDN'T WORK.

HE HAD SECONDARY TUMORS IN

THE LUNGS.

I WAS CALLED IN BECAUSE HE

HAD ABOUT 48 HOURS LEFT TO

LIVE BECAUSE HIS BOWEL

WASN'T WORKING.

IT WAS JUST LOOKING SO

BAD.

HE WAS 49 YEARS OLD.

AND WE PRAYED.

WE WORSHIPPED.

AND THE LORD, THE NEXT

NIGHT, CAME INTO HIS

HOSPITAL ROOM AND HE WAS

INSTANTLY HEALED.

THIS WAS TWO YEARS AGO.

THEY REVERSED THE

OPERATION, WHICH THEY PUT

A BAG IN, BECAUSE HE

DOESN'T NEED THAT ANYMORE,

AND THERE IS NO TRACE OF

CANCER IN HIS BODY.

MOST PEOPLE WOULD HAVE

THOUGHT, WELL, WE TRIED

AND JUST GIVEN UP.

BUT HE WOULDN'T.

HE BELIEVED AND FOUGHT

WITH WHAT HE KNEW TO BE

THE WILL OF GOD, THAT IT

IS HIS DESIRE THAT WE BE

HEALED.

HE HEALED THEM ALL, AND HE

IS STILL HEALING THEM ALL

TODAY.

Gordon: YOU OBVIOUSLY

HAVE STUDIED IT, NOT MANY

PEOPLE CAN QUOTE BOSWORTH

AND F.G. LAKE IN THE SAME

CONVERSATION.

SO YOU PURSUED HOW DID

THEY DO IT?

ABSOLUTELY.

BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF

PEOPLE CAN START OFF

ENTHUSIASTIC AND THEN

LOWER WHAT THEY BELIEVE.

BILL TALKS ABOUT THIS,

THAT WE MUST NOT LOWER OUR

LEVEL OF DOCTRINE TO OUR

EXPERIENCE, AND I THINK WE

OFTEN DO THAT.

IF WE'RE NOT CAREFUL -- WE

NEED TO BE HUMBLING

OURSELVES LIKE LITTLE

CHILDREN.

I LIKE TO THINK OF PSALM

131: "LORD, YOU KNOW MY

EYES ARE LOFTY, NEITHER DO

I TROUBLE MYSELF WITH

GREAT MATTERS OR THINGS

TOO GREAT FOR ME.

SURELY I HAVE CALMED AND

QUIETED MY SOLE, HOPING

GOD IS THERE."

THAT IS, I BELIEVE WE HAVE

TO POSITION OURSELVES LIKE

LITTLE CHILDREN AND SAY,

I'M NOT GOING TO TRY TO

FIGURE OUT WHY AND WHEN,

AND I'M GOING TO HUMBLE

MYSELF LIKE A LITTLE CHILD

AND SAY, YOU SAID, GREATER

WORKS THAN THESE SHALL LAY

DOWN.

YOU SAID, YOU'RE THE SAME

YESTERDAY, TODAY, AND

FOREVER.

AND YOU HEALED ALL WHO

CAME TO YOU THEN, AND

YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT NOW.

MY FAITH IS BUILT ON

CHRIST ALONE.

I TELL YOU, WHEN YOU DO

THAT, HE COMES IN LIKE A

FLOOD TO HELP YOU.

HE IS SO WONDERFUL.

Gordon: JOHN G. LAKE

WROTE FOR HIM, THE HOLY

SPIRIT -- HE LIKENED IT TO

ELECTRICITY.

THAT JUST AS ELECTRICAL

CURRENTS FLOWED THROUGH

WIRES, THE ELECTRICAL

CURRENT, THE CURRENT OF

THE HOLY SPIRIT, COULD

FLOW THROUGH HIM.

AND HE COULD DEMONSTRATE

IT.

HAVE YOU EXPERIENCED THIS?

ABSOLUTELY.

IN FACT, WHEN THE POWER OF

THE HOLY SPIRIT COMES ON

ME, I OFTEN START TO

SHAKE.

I THINK THAT IS JUST

BECAUSE I HAVE WEAK

WIRING.

HIS POWER COMES ON --

Gordon: IT'S YOUR

RESISTOR.

BUT THAT'S JUST THE WAY

I'M WIRED, I THINK.

I OVER LOAD.

Gordon: IT IS AMAZING

ANYONE STAYS ALIVE WHEN

THE POWER OF THE HOLY

SPIRIT COMES THROUGH YOU.

IT'S TRUE.

IT'S TRUE.

Gordon: AND IF IT

WEREN'T FOR THE GRACE OF

GOD --

THAT IS TRUE.

I'VE SEEN GOD JUMP OUT

THROUGH ME.

AND PEOPLE BE TOUCHED

WITHOUT EVEN GETTING CLOSE

TO THEM.

BECAUSE IT IS NOT ME.

IT IS HIS POWER.

AND HE IS SO DESIRING THAT

PEOPLE WOULD EXPERIENCE

THE REALITY OF THE

KINGDOM.

HE IS LOOKING FOR ANYBODY

WHO WILL JUST MAKE

THEMSELVES AVAILABLE.

KATHRYN COLEMAN USED TO

SAY GOD IS NOT LOOKING FOR

GOLDEN VESSELS.

HE IS JUST LOOKING FOR

YIELDED VESSELS.

JUST IN AS IN YOUR STORY,

YOU'VE YIELDED YOURSELF TO

THE LORD, AND YOU WILL SEE

AMAZING THINGS.

THERE IS NO HIGH ACTUALLY

LIKE SEEING GOD TO USE YOU

TO LOVE SOMEBODY IN A

TANGIBLE WAY, PARTICULARLY

THROUGH A MIRACLE, WHERE

YOU JUST KNOW THEIR LIVES

ARE NEVER GOING TO BE THE

SAME.

Gordon: AND YOU CAN

DECLARE THE KINGDOM OF GOD

HAS COME UPON YOU.

HAS COME NEAR YOU,

YEAH.

Gordon: AND THEN YOU

START TO FIGURE OUT IT'S

WITHIN YOU.

AND AS YOU RECEIVE, YOU

CAN GIVE.

Gordon: WELL,

KATHERINE'S BOOK IS CALLED

"LIFE WITH THE HOLY

SPIRIT."

AND WE HAVE AN EXCLUSIVE

INTERVIEW WITH HER ON OUR

Facebook PAGE.

JUST GO TO

Facebook.com/700club.

AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE

KATHERINE PRAYING FOR YOU.

BUT FIRST WE'RE GOING TO

HAVE A STORY OF A MIRACLE.

UP NEXT, A CAR ACCIDENT

LEAVES ONE WOMAN WITH A

THROBBING HEADACHE FOR

NINE MONTHS.

I CAN'T SLEEP.

I CAN'T FUNCTION.

I THOUGHT MY HEAD WAS

GOING TO EXPLODE.

FIND OUT WHAT TOOK AWAY

HER PAIN RIGHT AFTER THIS.

Gordon: IMAGINE

HAVING A PAINFUL HEADACHE

THAT LASTS FOR NINE

MONTHS.

DORA KNOWS WHAT THAT IS

LIKE.

ONE MORNING THE PAIN WAS

SO INTENSE, SHE REACHED

FOR THE PHONE AND CALLED

"THE 700 CLUB."

Reporter: IN EARLY

2015, DORA WAS HIT BY A

CAR WHILE WALKING OUTSIDE

HER WORKPLACE IN PORTLAND,

OREGON.

SHE WAS RUSHED TO THE

EMERGENCY ROOM WHERE

DOCTORS DIAGNOSED HER WITH

A CONCUSSION.

SHE WAS RELEASED FROM THE

HOSPITAL, BUT LATER

STARTED SUFFERING FROM

SEVERE HEADACHES.

I THOUGHT MY HEAD WAS

GOING TO EXPLODE.

AND I COULDN'T FUNCTION

BECAUSE THE HEADACHE WAS

SO, SO INTENSE.

I WAS OUT OF WORK FOR NINE

MONTHS.

AND MY DOCTOR -- I WOULD

CALL HIM AND TELL HIM, I

CAN'T SLEEP.

I CAN'T FUNCTION.

I CAN'T STAND THIS

HEADACHE.

AND HE WOULD JUST SEND ME

PRESCRIPTIONS.

Reporter: DORA'S

MEDICATION DIDN'T

ALLEVIATE THE PAIN.

UNABLE TO GET RELIEF, DORA

PRAYED CONSTANTLY.

I CRIED OUT TO THE LORD

MANY DAYS, MANY TIMES,

MANY NIGHTS.

AND IT SEEMED LIKE THE

LORD WAS SO FAR AWAY THAT

HE DIDN'T ANSWER.

SO I STARTED CALLING "THE

700 CLUB."

Reporter: DORA CALLED

"THE 700 CLUB" PRAYER

PARTNERS FOR MONTHS.

AND THEN ON OCTOBER 13,

2015, SHE HAD A

BREAKTHROUGH.

WHEN I CALLED IN, I WAS

TELLING THIS PERSON THAT

I'VE BEEN CALLING SO MANY

TIMES, BUT I STILL HAVE

THIS HOR DU HORRENDOUS HEADACHE.

AND SHE SAYS, TODAY WE'RE

GOING TO TELL THAT SPIRIT

OF HEADACHE TO GO AWAY

FROM YOU.

AND SHE WAS PRAYING WITH

SUCH AN AUTHORITY.

I THANKED THE LORD, WENT

TO BED, AND THE NEXT

MORNING I GOT UP, AND I

KNEELED DOWN TO PRAY.

AND I'M, LIKE, WHERE IS

THE HEADACHE?

NO HEADACHE.

LIKE, WOW, IT IS AMAZING.

I HAD TO CALL THEM.

I HAD TO TELL THEM.

I HAD TO TELL SOMEBODY.

Reporter: DORA HASN'T

EXPERIENCED A SINGLE

HEADACHE SINCE THAT DAY.

I CAN HAVE A LIFE.

I CAN GO BACK TO MY JOB

AFTER NINE MONTHS.

GOD LOVES ME THAT MUCH

THAT HE REALLY CARES FOR

ME.

I WAS ALREADY SO IN LOVE

WITH THE LORD, BUT THIS

TOOK ME A STEP HIGHER.

TRUST IN THE LORD.

WHEN ALL ELSE FAILS, GOD

WILL NEVER FAIL.

HE IS ALWAYS LISTENING.

Gordon: WHAT A

WONDERFUL STORY.

> WELL, KATHERINE IS

GOING TO PRAY FOR YOU NOW.

HALLELUJAH.

FATHER, I THANK YOU.

YOU ARE THE SAME

YESTERDAY, TODAY, AND

FOREVER.

FATHER, I'M ASKING FOR

EVERY PERSON WATCHING

RIGHT NOW.

LORD, I KNOW, HOLY SPIRIT,

THAT YOU WANT TO MANIFEST

THEMSELVES IN A REAL AND

TANGIBLE WAY.

LET THEM KNOW, LORD, THAT

YOU LOVE THEM.

FATHER, I THANK YOU FOR A

REVELATION OF YOUR LOVE.

LORD, TO ACTIVATE

SUPERNATURAL FAITH IN

THEIR HEART.

AS THEY REACH OUT TO YOU

AND SAY, HELP, LORD, YOU

ARE THEIR EVER PRESENT

HELP RIGHT NOW.

AND I THANK YOU THAT IN

THEIR TIME OF NEED, YOU'RE

MEETING THEM RIGHT NOW.

I THINK OF YOU HEALING AND

TOUCHING SOMEONE'S HEART

RIGHT NOW.

AND SOMEONE WITH A CHEST

INFECTION, IN JESUS' NAME

YOU ARE TOUCHING AND

HEALING.

SOMEONE ELSE HAS TUMORS,

AND IN THE NAME OF JESUS,

I THANK YOU THAT THEY'RE

DISSOLVED NOW IN THE NAME

OF JESUS CHRIST, BY THE

POWER OF YOUR SPIRIT.

YES, GOD, THANK YOU.

THERE IS SOMEONE WHO HAS A

MUSCLMUSCULAR PAIN IN THEIR

BACK, WHO IS HEALED IN

JESUS' NAME.

I THANK YOU FOR YOUR

HEALING IN JESUS' MIGHTY

NAME.

THERE IS SOMEONE ELSE WHO

HAS PAIN IN THEIR HIPS,

HEALED IN JESUS' NAME.

YOU ARE THE HEALER, AND WE

RELEASE YOUR TOUCH RIGHT

NOW IN JESUS' NAME.

Gordon: AMEN AND

AMEN.

IF YOU NEED PRAYER, ALL

YOU HAVE TO DO IS CALL:

1-800-700-7000.

> HERE IS A WORD FROM 2

CORINTHIANS: "MAY THE

GRACE OF THE LORD JESUS

CHRIST, THE LOVE OF GOD,

AND THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE

HOLY SPIRIT BE WITH YOU

ALL."

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