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700 Club Interactive - February 22, 2018

Actor/Producer Kirk Cameron talks about equipping kids to avoid the dangers of a digital world. Read Transcript


Gordon: PIONEER

PARENTING IN THE DIGITAL

AGE.

I DECIDED I NEEDED TO

GET DOWN TO THE TECHNOLOGY

OF HOW MY KIDS AND

TECHNOLOGY ARE

CONNECTEDED.

UNFORTUNATELY, A LOT OF

PARENTS ARE SAYING, JUST

DO WHAT YOU WANT.

Gordon: PLUS ANNE

GIMENEZ JOINS US TO

DISCUSS HOW CHOICES SHAPE

OUR LIVES FOR BETTER OR

FOR WORSE, ALL ON TODAY'S

"700 CLUB INTERACTIVE."

> WELL, WELCOME TO THE

SHOW.

BILLY GRAHAM WAS BEST

KNOWN FOR HIS GOSPEL

CRUSADES, WHERE MILLIONS

OF PEOPLE PUT THEIR FAITH

IN CHRIST.

BUT NO REMEMBRANCE OF

BILLY GRAHAM WOULD BE

COMPLETE WITHOUT TELLING

THE STORY OF THE

LITTLE-KNOWN, BUT CRUCIAL

ROLE HE PLAYED IN

AMERICA'S CIVIL RIGHTS

MOVEMENT.

CHARLENE AARON HAS THIS

STORY.

Charlene: THE YEAR

WAS 1953.

AMERICA'S BORDERS WERE

FILLED WITH RACIAL TENSION

AND UNCERTAINTY.

THE REVEREND BILLY GRAHAM

WAS SAILING UNCHARTED

TERRITORY WHEN HE DID THE

UNTHINKABLE: HE HELD A

CRUSADE IN CHATTANOOGA,

TENNESSEE, WHERE THOUSANDS

OF MEN, WOMEN, AND

CHILDREN OF ALL RACES SAT

TOGETHER AND WORSHIPPED

THE LORD.

BUT WHEN GOD LOOKS AT

YOU, HE DOESN'T LOOK THE

AT THE OUTWARD APPEARANCE.

THE BIBLE SAYS HE LOOKS

UPON THE HEART.

Charlene: HE TOOK HIS

FIGHT TO END SEGREGATION

TO THE STREETS.

GRAHAM HAD BEEN PREACHING

HERE AT MADISON SQUARE

GARDEN TO THOUSANDS

NIGHTLY, BUT VERY FEW

BLACKS CAME.

SO AT THE SUGGESTION OF A

COLLEAGUE, HE ASKED

REVEREND HOWARD JONES FOR

HELP.

JONES RECOMMENDED THAT

GRAHAM TAKE HIS MESSAGE TO

THE STREETS OF NEW YORK,

AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HE

DID.

HE SAID, I DECIDED I

WAS NEVER GOING TO SPEAK

TO ANYMORE SE SEGREGATED

AUDIENCES.

AND HE SAID, WHAT SHOULD

YOU SUGGEST WE DO?

AND I SAID, IF BLACKS

AREN'T COMING, GO WHERE

THEY ARE.

AND HE SAID, WHAT DO YOU

MEAN?

> I SAID, GO TO HARLEM.

Charlene: GRAHAM WENT

TO THE BRONX.

GRAHAM EVEN INVITEDE INVITED HIS

GOOD FRIEND, DOCTOR MARTIN

LUTHER KING, JR. TO ATTEND

ONE OF HIS EVENTS.

THE MARVELOUS THINGS

THAT HAVE BEEN DONE IN

THIS CITY THROUGH THE

AMAZING TEACHING OF HIS

AMAZING EVANGELIST.

WE ASK GOD TO GIVE HIM

CONTINUED POWER AND

AUTHORITY.

AS WE LISTEN TO HIM, THAT

OUR HEARTS AND SPIRITS

WILL BE OPEN.

Charlene: GRAHAM

FACED A FLURRY OF

CRITICISM FROM BOTH BLACKS

AND WHITES, BUT THAT DID

NOT DETER HIM.

SOME WHITES WANTED TO TO

KNOW WHY YOU WOULD FOOL

AROUND WITH THIS PEOPLE.

AND SOME SAID, IF YOU'RE

GOING TO INTEGRATE YOUR

TEAM, WE WILL NOT SUPPORT

YOU WE WILL NOT GIVE YOU

MONEY.

HE SAID, I DON'T CARE.

I'M GOING TO STICK BY MY

GUN.

SOME OF THE CRITICISMS

WERE THAT MR. GRAHAM IS

NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THE

BLACK COMMUNITY, AND THAT

HE DIDN'T SPEAK ENOUGH

ABOUT CIVIL RIGHTS.

Charlene: GRAHAM WENT

TO DR. KING FOR ADVICE.

MARTIN LUTHER KING

SUGGESTED TO ME THAT I

STAY IN THE STADIUMS, IN

THE SOUTH, AND HOLD

INTEGRATED MEETINGS

BECAUSE HE WAS PROBABLY

GOING TO STAY IN THE

STREETS.

HE SAID, I'M GOING TO STAY

IN THE STREETS, AND I

MIGHT GET KILLED IN THE

STREETS, BUT HE SAID, I

DON'T THINK YOU OUGHT TO

BECAUSE YOU WILL BE ABLE

TO DO SOME THINGS I CAN'T

DO, AND I WILL BE ABLE TO

DO THINGS YOU CAN'T DO,

BUT WE'RE AFTER THE SAME

OBJECTIVE.

Charlene: AND SO HE

DID, HOLDING CRUSADES FROM

ARKANSAS TO ALABAMA.

HERE WE WERE WITH

NEIGHBOURHOOD AFTER

NEIGHBOURHOOD AFTER

NEIGHBOURHOOD IN MY STATE

ON THE VIRGE OF VIOLENCE,

AND YET TENS OF THOUSANDS

OF BLACK AND WHITE

CHRISTIANS THERE TOGETHER

IN A FOOTBALL STADIUM.

AND WHEN HE ISSUED THE

CALL AT THE END OF THE

MESSAGE, THOUSANDS CAME

DOWN, HOLDING HANDS, ARM

IN ARM, CRYING.

IT WAS THE BEGINNING OF

THE END OF THE OLD SOUTH

IN MY HOME STATE.

I WILL NEVER FORGET IT.

Charlene: HE EVEN

WENT TO SOUTH AFRICA,

PREACHING BEFORE AN

INTEGRATED AUDIENCE IN

1973.

MAN HAS A WILL OF HIS

OWN.

[SPEAKING A FOREIGN

LANGUAGE]

GOD GAVE IT TO YOU.

[SPEAKING A FOREIGN

LANGUAGE]

Charlene: GRAHAM ALSO

WORKED CLOSELY WITH

PRESIDENTS EISENHOWER,

KENNEDY, JOHNSON, AND

NIXON, URGING THEM TO

ENSURE EQUALITY FOR ALL.

AND THEN THERE IS THE

RACE PROBLEM.

AND THIS PROBLEM, IT SEEMS

TO ME, SHOULD BE PUT IN

ITS PROPER PERSPECTIVE.

IT IS A WORLD PROBLEM.

GREATER IMPROVEMENT IS

BEING MADE TODAY IN

AMERICA THAN PERHAPS ANY

NATION IN THE HISTORY OF

THE WORLD.

BECAUSE WE AT LEAST ARE

ATTEMPTING TO SOLVE THE

PROBLEM THROUGH

UNDERSTANDING, THROUGH

DIALOGUE, THROUGH

LEGISLATION.

Charlene: IN THE END,

GRAHAM'S LEGACY IS ONE

THAT IS FILLED WITH A

MESSAGE OF LOVE,

TOGETHERNESS, AND UNITY.

BUT I THINK BILLY HAS

PROVEN THE FACT THAT IN

CHRIST THERE IS NO EAST OR

WEST OR NORTH OR SOUTH.

THERE IS JUST LOVE.

Charlene: CHARLENE

AARON, CBN NEWS.

Gordon: WHAT AN

INCREDIBLE LEGACY.

WHAT AN INCREDIBLE MAN.

PROBABLY THE GREATEST

PREACHER THAT AMERICA HAS

EVER PRODUCED, AND HE WILL

BE SORELY MISSED.

PIERKTSZ UP
> UP NEXT, HE IS AN

ACTOR, PRODUCER, ACTIVIST

AND EVANGELIST, KIRK

CAMERON IS HERE TO TALK

ABOUT HIS MOST IMPORTANT

ROLE AS A FATHER.

FIND OUT HOW HE PLANS TO

Gordon: WELL, HE

BECAME A STAR IN THE

1980s AS THE LOVABLE

MIKE SEAVER.

TODAY MIKE CAMMALLERI I MIKE CAMERON IS A

FATHER OF SIX.

WE HAVE AN INTERESTING

TRADITION AT OUR HOUSE.

ON MOTHER'S DAY, SHE GOES

OUT AND BUYS GIFTS FOR THE

KIDS.

ONE MOTHER'S DAY CHELSEA

SAYS TO ME, I WANT TO GET

THE KIDS SMARTPHONES, ALL

OF THEM.

I SAID, OKAY, LET'S DO IT.

LET'S GET THE KIDS

SMARTPHONES.

I MEAN, WHAT COULD BE

SIMPLER, AND WHAT COULD

POSSIBLY GO WRONG?

THEN I SAW A STORY ON THE

NEWS OF WHAT HAPPENED TO A

MAN NAMED TIM WODA AND HIS

SON.

THERE WAS THIS GROWN

MAN WHO WAS SOLICITING MY

CHILD.

I SAID, WHERE DID YOU MEET

THIS PERSON?

AND HE SAID, I MET THIS

PERSON ON Facebook.

I SAID, THAT'S NOT

POSSIBLE BECAUSE YOU DON'T

HAVE A Facebook ACCOUNT.

HE HAD THIS WHOLE DIGITAL

LIFE I HAD NO IDEA EVEN

EXISTED.

I DECIDED I NEEDED TO

GET TO THE BOTTOM OF HOW

TECHNOLOGY AND MY KIDS

WERE INTERACTED.

UNFORTUNATELY, A LOT OF

PARENTS ARE SAYING, JUST

DO WHAT YOU WANT.

50% OF YOUR KIDS FEEL

THEY'RE ADDICTED TO MEDIA.

YOU CAN LOOK AT

PORNOGRAPHY, THERE IS

CONSTANT REENFORCEMENT.

PINGS, DINGS, AND NEW

FRIENDS.

I GOT TO CREATE MY LIFE

THE WAY I WANTED TO BE

SEEN.

MY DAUGHTER HAS TONS OF

INSTAGRAM FRIENDS, BUT SHE

HAS NO FRIENDS.

THEY'RE MORE LIKE

STRANGERS.

THEY CALL YOU, LIKE,

FATTY.

THE WORDS THEY START

GIVING YOU IS THE WORDS

YOU BELIEVE.

THAT BECOMES THEIR

LIFE, THEIR SOCIAL MEDIA

WORLD, BUT THAT WORLD CAN

BE QUICKLY UP-ENDED.

I HAD A GUN AT MY HEAD.

IF WE DON'T HELP OUR

KIDS BY PREPARING THEM FOR

THIS WORLD, THEN WHO WILL?

THE LORD JESUS WAS AT

THE DOOR.

NOBODY GETS TO THE SHEEP

EXCEPT THROUGH ME.

IT IS NEVER TOO LATE.

THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A

GENERATION LIKE IT.

WE'RE BLAZING A NEW TRAIL.

WE ARE THE PIONEER

PARENTS.

IF THE DEVIL WANTS TO COME

KNOCKING ON NI DOOR, MY DOOR

LOOKING FOR MY CHILDREN,

HE'S GOING TO FIND OUT

REAL QUICK HE CAME TO THE

WRONG HOUSE.

OKAY, MAYBE THAT WAS A

LITTLE OVER THE TOP.

Gordon: WELL, KIRK

JOINS US.

IT IS GOOD TO HAVE YOU.

THANK YOU.

GREAT TO BE HERE.

Gordon: THAT IS A

VERY UNUSUAL MOTHER'S DAY

TRADITION.

INSTEAD OF BEING ABOUT

MOM, MOM SAYS, I WANT TO

GIVE TO YOU.

HOW DID THAT START?

MY WIFE ALWAYS WANTED

TO GET GIFTS FOR THE KIDS

ON MOTHER'S DAY BECAUSE

SHE SAID, THEY'RE

RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING ME

A MOTHER, AND THAT'S THE

GREATEST THING IN MY LIFE.

AND SHE GOT SMARTPHONES

FOR THE KIDS.

AND THAT'S WHEN THE

TROUBLE STARTED.

THAT'S WHEN I STARTED

HEARING STORIES AND

READING ARTICLES AND

GETTING EDUCATED ABOUT THE

FACT THAT I MAY HAVE JUST

GIVEN THEM A PORTAL TO

THINGS REALLY DANGEROUS.

Gordon: IT SOUNDS

LIKE A GREAT IDEA.

I REMEMBER MY DAUGHTER,

WHEN SHE WAS 12, IT BECAME

SORT OF A CONSTANT THING,

DADDY, WHEN AM I GOING TO

GET A SMARTPHONE.

AND THEN SHE GOT REALLY

SMART ABOUT IT TO SAY,

WELL, YOU KNOW, IF I AM

STRANDED SOMEWHERE, IT

WOULD REALLY BE NICE TO

HAVE A SMARTPHONE SO I

COULD CALL YOU SO YOU

COULD COME GET ME.

SHE WAS PLAYING THE

GUILT CARD.

Gordon: SHE JUST

PLAYED IT, AND IT WORKED.

WHAT HAVE YOU FOUND IS THE

NEGATIVE SIDE TO THESE

DEVICES?

WELL, AT OUR FAMILY, WE

ARE PRO-TECHNOLOGY, AS I

AM SURE WE ALL ARE RIGHT

HERE.

WE LOVE THE ABILITY TO GET

GOOD MESSAGES OUT AND TO

BE ABLE TO TALK TO PEOPLE

ON THE OTHER SIDES OF THE

WORLD AND AFFECT GOOD.

BUT THERE IS THE OBVIOUS

DANGER OF KIDS BEING

ADDICTED TO TECHNOLOGY.

NINE OR 10 HOURS A DAY IS

COMMON FOR KIDS ON A

DEVICE.

THERE IS ALSO THE KIND OF

EXPLICIT CONTENT WE DON'T

WANT OUR KIDS TO SEE, AND

WE TRY TO SHUT THAT DOWN

AS BEST WE CAN.

BUT THERE IS ALWAYS A WAY

IT SEEMS TO GET AROUND IT.

AND THEN THERE ARE

PREDATORS.

THERE IS ACTUALLY THE WAY

IT REWIRES OUR CHILDREN'S

BRAINS WITH SOME OF THE

CHEMICAL AND THE SOCIAL

FEEDBACK LOOPS THAT OCCUR

WHEN KIDS GET LIKES ON AN

INSTAGRAM POST.

THAT COMBINED WITH THE WAY

PEOPLE ARE NOW INTERACTING

WITH ONE ANOTHER WITHIN

THEIR FAMILIES AND WITHIN

THEIR FRIEND AND PEER

GROUPS -- AND WE DIDN'T

WANT TO BE DAMAGE-CONTROL

DEFENSIVE PARENTS, WE

WANTED TO BE ON THE

OFFENSE AND SAY, HOW CAN

WE HELP OUR KIDS TO

EMBRACE TECHNOLOGY AND BE

TRAILBLAZERS IN THIS WILD

NEW FRONTIER OF SOCIAL

MEDIA AND TECHNOLOGY WITH

OUR KIDS.

THAT'S WHY WE MADE

"CONNECT."

Gordon: WHAT IS THE

NUMBER ONE THING THE

PARENTS NEED TO BE LOOKING

OUT FOR?

THERE IS ALWAYS GOING

TO BE A NEW PIECE OF

TECHNOLOGY THAT IS GOING

TO BE THE SILVER BULLET

THAT IS GOING TO PROTECT

YOUR KIDS.

NOT TRUE.

GOOD TECHNOLOGY IS

HELPFUL.

WE TALK ABOUT A FEW IN

"CONNECT."

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY,

THE MOST IMPORTANT THING

ALL OF THE EXPERTS ARE

TELLING US, STAY

CONNECTEDED WITCONNECTEDWITH YOUR KIDS BEC
AUSE

THEY WILL MAKE MISTAKES.

IF YOU'RE IN RELATIONSHIP

WITH THEM, IF YOU HAVE

THAT KIND OF FULLY ENGAGED

PRESENCE IN YOUR CHILD'S

LIFE, YOU CAN TALK ABOUT

THOSE THINGS, WORK THROUGH

THE MISTAKES, AND MAKE

BETTER CHOICES IN THE

FUTURE.

STAY CONNECTED.

Gordon: HOW DO YOU

TALK TO THEM ABOUT, DO YOU

UNDERSTAND THIS DEVICE IS

RE-WIRING YOUR BRAIN?

THAT WAS ALWAYS THE TOUGH

ONE FOR ME.

I WAS RUNNING INTO THAT

THEY WERE DEVELOPING THE

ATTACHMENT, WHERE THEY

LITERALLY COULDN'T BE

WITHOUT THE PHONE.

AND IF YOU SEPARATED FROM

THE PHONE, THEY WOULD GO

BALLISTIC.

AND I WOULD SAY, DO YOU

NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS

IS DOING TO YOU?

THERE IS NO REAL WAY

FOR THEM TO UNDERSTAND IT

BECAUSE THEY LOVE IT.

IT IS THEIR WORLD.

THEY BECOME SO ATTACHED TO

THIS WORLD OF FRIENDS AND

FOLLOWERS.

IF YOU TAKE THAT AWAY FROM

THEM, OR IF IT GETS TURNED

ON ITS HEAD IN SOME WAY,

IT DISRUPTS THEIR WHOLE

WORLD.

SO I THINK A GREAT WAY IS

TO LET THEM HEAR FROM

EXPERTS.

THAT'S WHY I INTERVIEWED A

NEUROSURGEON WHO CAN TALK

ABOUT WHAT IS PHYSICALLY

HAPPENING INSIDE OF THE

BRAIN.

HE SAYS A TEENAGED MIND IS

SOMETHING WE CANNOT AFFORD

TO WASTE BECAUSE IT IS MOR

PLIABLE, IT IS MORE

ELASTIC.

IT IS GROWING FASTER.

AND IT IS OUR TEENAGERS

WHO HAVE THE ABILITY TO

THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX AND

INVENT CURES TO DISEASES,

NEW TECHNOLOGY.

BUT THE BRAIN ALSO WORKS

IN SUCH WAYS THAT IF YOU

FOCUS TOO MUCH OF YOUR

TIME AND ATTENTION ON A

PHONE, IT ACTUALLY CAUSES

YOU TO BECOME REALLY GOOD

AT ONE THING AND BEGINS TO

PRUNE AWAY ALL OF YOUR

OTHER ABILITIES

NEUROLOGICAL THROUGH THOSE

PATHWAYS THAT ARE NOT

BEING USED ANYMORE.

LIKE WHEN YOU GO THROW A

BALL WITH YOUR KIDS OR YOU

GO CATCH A FISH IN A

STREAM OR YOU LOOK FACE TO

FACE WITH SOMEONE AND YOU

LEARN HOW TO HAVE REAL

RELATIONSHIPS.

Gordon: RIGHT.

MY KIDS GOT VERY PROUD --

THEY WOULD SAY THEY'RE

PHONE NINJAS.

YEAH, THEY'RE GOOD AT

IT.

Gordon: BUT THEN,

OKAY, WHAT ABOUT OTHER

ASPECTS OF LIFE?

JUST TRYING TO GENTLY GET

THEM TO THAT.

YOU KNOW, I THINK

THAT'S WHY IT IS SO

IMPORTANT AS PARENTS THAT

WE RECLAIM OUR ROLE AS

PARENTS, AND UNDERSTAND

THAT OUR KIDS NEED MORE

THAN JUST INFORMATION.

SIRI IS NOT A GOOD

REPLACEMENT FOR MOM OR

DAD.

BUT KIDS NEED TO BE TAUGHT

THAT AS WE LEAD THE WAY.

WE CAN'T DO THAT IF WE'RE

NOT ENGAGED AND CONNECTED

WITH THEM IN A REAL RICH

RELATIONSHIP.

Gordon: LET'S TALK

ABOUT WHAT I CONSIDER THE

DARKEST SIDE OF THIS

TECHNOLOGY, AND THAT IS

THAT IT BECOMES A HUNTING

GROUND FOR PREDATORS.

YOUR FILM GOES INTO THAT.

YOU HAD A DAD WHO WASN'T

EVEN AWARE THAT HIS CHILD,

HIS SON, WAS ON

Facebook.

WHY IS THAT?

HOW DO YOU BECOME AWARE OF

THE INTERACTIONS YOUR

CHILD IS HAVING ONLINE?

WHAT I HAVE FOUND,

RESEARCHING THIS, IS THAT

OFTEN PARENTS WILL FALL

INTO THE TRAP OF BELIEVING

THAT SOMEHOW THEIR

CHILDREN NEED SOME LEVEL

OF PRIVACY AND AUTONOMY

SEPARATE FROM THEIR

PARENTS, EVEN THOUGH

THEY'RE ONLY 10 YEARS OLD,

12 YEARS OLD, 15 YEARS

OLD.

AND THAT'S REALLY WHERE

THE PROBLEMS START, WHEN

THERE IS A SECRET WORLD.

WHEN THERE IS A HIDDEN,

UNDERWORLD ACTIVITY THAT

PARENTS ARE NOT AWARE OF.

THAT'S WHERE THE PROBLEMS

START.

SO I WOULD BEGIN BY SAYING

THERE ARE NO PASS CODES,

THERE IS NOTHING ON THAT

ON YOUR PHONE THAT MOM AND

DAD DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO,

BECAUSE WE LOVE YOU AND WE

WANT TO PROTECT YOU.

AND WE NEED YOUR HELP WITH

THIS.

AND THOSE ARE TOUGH

CONVERSATIONS TO HAVE WITH

A 14-YEAR-OLD WHO IS USED

TO PRIVACY AND AUTONOMY.

AND WE NEED TO HAVE A

RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM

WHERE THEY KNOW WE HAVE

THEIR BEST INTEREST IN

MIND, THAT WE LOVE THEM

AND WE WANT TO HELP THEM

TO SUCCEED AND STAY

CONNECTED IN A GOOD WAY.

Gordon: THERE IS

ANOTHER DARK PLACE ON

THESE DEVICES, AND THAT IS

PORNOGRAPHY.

AND I READ AN ARTICLE IN

THE "NEW YORK TIMES" JUST

LAST WEEK TALKING ABOUT

HOW SEXUAL EDUCATION IS

HAPPENING ON SMARTPHONES.

AND EVEN IF YOU HAVE THE

FILTERS, EVEN IF YOU HAVE

ALL OF THAT, IN A SCHOOL

ENVIRONMENT, YOUR CHILD IS

GOING TO BE EXPOSED TO

SOMEONE ELSE'S PHONE.

AND THEY'RE GOING TO SAY,

TAKE A LOOK AT THIS.

THAT'S RIGHT.

Gordon: HOW SOON

SHOULD WE GET INTO THAT

DIALOGUE WITH OUR

CHILDREN, THAT THIS ISN'T

THE PROPER WAY TO LOOK AT

SEX?

ALL OF THE EXPERTS ARE

SAYING, HAVE THOSE

CONVERSATIONS EARLIER

RATHER THAN LATER.

YOU DON'T

I BELIEVE I HAVE FOUND

ONE OF THE KEYS TO THE

KINGDOM, FOLKS.

THIS OPENS UP THE BIBLE TO

ME.

Reporter: IN HER NEW

BOOK, "PRO CHOICES," A ANNE

GIMENEZ HELPS YOU HAVE THE

SUCCESSFUL LIFE GOD HAS FOR

YOU.

Gordon: ANNE IS WITH

US.

IT IS ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO

HAVE YOU WITH US.

ANE ANANNE AND I GO BACK TO

THE 1960s.

I REMEMBER WHEN YOU COULD GO

TO ROCK CHURCH AND ANYTHING

COULD HAPPEN.

THAT'S THE TRUTH.

IT IS KIND OF STILL THAT

WAY.

ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN.

IT WAS GREAT.

LET'S GET TO THE BOOK.

"WHAT TO DO WHEN YOU DON'T

KNOW WHAT TO DO, PRO

CHOICE."

WHY IS CHOICE SO SIGNIFICANT

FOR CHRISTIANS.

GORDON ALL DAY, EVERY

DAY, WE MAKE CHOICES.

WE MAKE A CHIAS TO G CHOICE

TO GO TO WORK OR GO OUT AND

BE A BUM.

IF WE SEEK GOD'S CHOICES AND

WILL, THEN WE MAKE GOOD

CHOICES.

IHE SAID, YOU'RE A FREE

MORAL AGENT, BUT I ENCOURAGE

YOU TO CHOOSE LIFE.

Gordon: WHY DO YOU

THINK WE, AS CHRISTIANS -- I

KNOW I'VE GOTTEN INTO THIS

MINDSET WHERE I'VE ALREADY

MADE THAT CHOICE.

I'VE ALREADY CHOSEN HIM.

I'VE ALREADY DONE THAT.

BUT THEN YOU GET INTO, WELL,

I'M GOING TO DO A

COMPROMISING CHOICE TODAY.

AND YOU GO, WHY?

WHY IS IT A CONSTANT NEED TO

MAKE THE RIGHT CHOICE.

IT REALLY IS A CONSTANT

NEED.

THE BIBLE SAYS, THERE IS A

WAY THAT SEEMS RIGHT.

IT SEEMS RIGHT.

IT SEEMS GOOD, BUT IT IS

DEADLY.

AND SO THE PATH OF THE

RIGHTEOUS GOES BRIGHTER AND

BRIGHTER.

I LOOKED IT UP ONE TIME, AND

IT SAYS IT GOES FARTHER AND

FARTHER, LIKE A LIGHT.

WHEN YOU SERVE GOD, IT JUST

OPENS UP BEFORE YOU.

BUT THE CHOICES YOU MAKE

TODAY AFFECT YOUR TOMORROW.

BUT SO MUCH OF A REASON FOR

US AS PARENTS IS THAT IT

AFFECTS OUR CHILDREN.

I THINK THAT CAIN AND ABEL

KNEW WHAT ADAM AND EVE HAD

DONE.

AND THEY PROBABLY SAID,

LOOK, SONS, THIS IS WHAT

HAPPENED.

AND THEN THEY GOT OUT THERE

ON THEIR OWN, BUT THEY KNEW

THEIR FATHER DID IT AND HE

MADE IT, SO THEY DID IT,

TOO.

AND IT GOES ON DOWN.

WE ARE FREE MORAL AGENTS.

WE CAN MAKE OUR CHOICE.

HOWEVER, I BELIEVE GOD HAS A

PLAN FOR YOU FROM THE

BEGINNING.

JEREMIAH: "BEFORE I FORMED

YOU IN YOUR MOTHERS WOMB, I

FORMED YOU AND ORDAINED YOU

TO BE A PROPHET."

BUT HE HAD A CHOICE.

Gordon: YOU CAN ALWAYS

RUN AWAY, BUT GOD HAS WAYS

OF GETTING YOU BACK.

I'VE LIVED TO PROVE IT.

ABSOLUTELY.

HE KNOWS HOW.

Gordon: WHAT HAPPENED

TO YOU -- THERE IS A STORY

IN THE BOOK ABOUT YOU WITH

AN 1-YEAR-OLD NEPHEW.

AND H -- 11-YEAR-OLD

NEPHEW.

MY SISTER SENT US HER

BOY.

AND WE WERE GETTING READY TO

GO TO CHURCH.

AND HE SAID TO ME, TYPICAL,

DO I HAVE TO GO TO CHURCH

TONIGHT.

AND I TURNED AROUND TO SAY,

WE'RE GOING TO CHURCH, AND

IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, I'LL

PACK YOUR BAGS AND SEND YOU

HOME.

BEFORE I COULD GET THE WORDS

OUT OF MY MOUTH, GORDON, I

HEARD THE SPIRIT OF GOD SAY

TO ME, DON'T YOU EVER SAY

THAT TO HIM; HE IS AT HOME.

LITTLE DID I KNOW I WAS

RAISING A PREACHER.

HE IS A PASTOR IN FLORIDA

TODAY.

AND HE HAS RAISED A SON THAT

IS IN TRAINING TO BE A

PASTOR.

JUST AMAZING.

GOD'S CHOICES.

GOD TOLD ME I HAD A CHOICE

TO MAKE.

I COULD HAVE SPOKE MY MIND,

OR I COULD HAVE LISTENED TO

GOD AND RAISED A PREACHER.

BUT THE FIRST SERVICE HE

WENT TO -- PROBABLY THAT

TUESDAY NIGHT, WHEN JOHN

GIMENEZ PREACHED, AND THIS

BOY WENT UP AND GAVE HIS

HEART TO THE LORD, AND WE

BAPTIZED HIM IN WATER, AND

AT 11 YEARS OLD, HE CAME UP

SPEAKING IN TONGUES.

AND HE IS A PASTOR NOW DOWN

IN FLORIDA.

Gordon: YAY!

AND WE HAVE THAT POWER.

IT IS LIKE EVERY WORD WE

SPEAK, WE DON'T UNDERSTAND

THE POWER OF IT.

THE POWER OF LIFE AND

DEATH IS IN OUR TONGUE.

I COULD HAVE KILLED THAT

BOY'S FUTURE OR I COULD HAVE

UNDER GIRDED HIM WITH LOVE

AND NURTURED HIM.

WHEN HE WAS ABOUT 19 YEARS

OLD, HE WENT TO WORK FOR HIS

FATHER.

AND WHEN HE CAME BACK, HE

CALLED ME IN DALLAS.

AND WE GOT A PHONE CALL, AND

THIS LITTLE BOY SAID, CAN I

COME HOME?

AND WHEN HE CAME BACK, HE

SAID, YOU KNOW, I SAW OTHER

PEOPLE -- HE WENT TO THE

BARS, HE WENT DRINKING.

AND HE SAID, I SAW HIM DOING

ALL OF THAT, AND I REALIZED

WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR

IS WHAT I ALREADY HAD.

HE MADE A CHOICE.

HE MADE THE RIGHT CHOICE AND

CAME HOME.

Gordon: TALK ABOUT

PSALM 23.

YOU SAY THAT'S A BLUEPRINT

FOR OUR CHOICES.

OH, YES.

THE LORD IS MY SHEPHERD

BECAUSE I HAVE CHOSEN HIM.

AND I WALK THROUGH THE

SHADOVALLEY OF THE SHADOW

OF DEATH, I FEAR NO EVIL.

YOUR WORD AND YOUR SPEAR

COMFORT ME.

YOU CAN CHOOSE YOUR OWN WAY,

BUT YOU'RE GOING TO END

UP -- IT'S DEADLY.

BUT WHEN YOU CHOOSE GOD'S

WAY, HE'S GOT YOU COVERED.

NO MATTER -- YOU CAN GO

THROUGH A LIONS' DEN, AND

EVIDENTLY THAT WAS GOD'S

WILL FOR DANIEL, AND

HALLELUJAH, HE CAME OUT AND

NOBODY ATE HIM.

YOU REALLY HAVE TO BE LIVING

CLOSE TO THE LORD, BUT THEY

CAME OUT WITHOUT THE SMELL

OF SMOKE.

THAT WAS GOD'S WAY.

THE WAY OF THE FLESH WOULD

BE GIVE IT UP, DENY GOD, AND

GO THE OTHER WAY.

THEY STUCK WITH GOD'S WAY.

IF YOU STICK WITH GOD'S

PATH, ONE OF THE GREATEST

COMFORTS TO ME, GORDON, IS I

ALWAYS KNOW HE HAS GOT MY

BACK.

Gordon: AMEN.

ONE DAY I WAS READING PSALM

23, AND GOD SPOKE TO ME: "I

CAN LEAD YOU BESIDE STILL

WATERS, BUT I CAN'T MAKE YOU

DRINK."

CHOOSE TO DRINK WHAT GOD HAS

FOR YOU.

ANNE'S BOOK IS CALLED "PRO

CHOICES."

HERE IS A WORD FOR YOU: LET

NOTHING BE DONE IN CONCEIT,

BUT

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