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700 Club Interactive - March 7, 2018

New York Times bestselling author Joel Rosenberg discusses his new novel “The Kremlin Conspiracy”. Read Transcript


Gordon: HIS ADDICTION

COULDN'T BE OVERCOME BY

CONVENTIONAL REHAB.

ALL I REMEMBER IS I

WENT THROUGH MY CLOSET

DOOR AT FIRST, AND IT FELT

LIKE I WAS BEING

ELECTROCUTED.

Gordon: FIND OUT HOW

A CHANGE OF SCENERY HELPED

LEAD TO A REAL

RESTORATION.

> PLUS, JOEL C.

ROSENBERG JOINS US WITH

HIS NEWEST, RIPPED FROM

THE HEADLINES THRILLER.

THAT AND MORE ON TODAY'S

"700 CLUB INTERACTIVE."

> WELL, WELCOME TO THE

SHOW.

THE AMERICAN DREAM IS

ROOTED IN THE DECLARATION

OF THE INDEPENDENCE, WHICH

DECLARES THAT ALL MEN ARE

CREATED EQUAL AND HAVE THE

RIGHT TO THE RIGHT AND

PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.

Terry: LAST MONTH

AFTER BASIC MILITARY

TRAINING, HE RECEIVED AN

AIRMAN'S COIN, MAKING HIM

AN AIRMAN'S FIRST CLASS.

AS AN 8-YEAR-OLD BOY, HE

IMMIGRATED TO THE UNITED

STATES.

DURING HIS TIME IN SUDAN

HE WAS ENSLAVED TWICE AND

LOST 28 FAMILY MEMBERS,

INCLUDINGALITY OINCLUDING EIGHT OF HIS

NINE SIBLINGS.

HE TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY IN

THE UNITED STATES TO

BECOME A OLYMPIC RUNNER.

HE SAID, QUOTE," ALL OF

THE THINGS I'VE

ACCOMPLISHED HAVE DERIVED

FROM THE OPPORTUNITIES THE

UNITED STATES HAS AFFORDED

ME.

WHEN I FIRST CAME TO

AMERICA, I DIDN'T HAVE

HARDLY ANYTHING.

BUT WITH THE SUPPORT AND

OPPORTUNITY THIS COUNTRY

HAS GIVEN ME, I'M ABLE TO

COMPLETELY CHANGE MY

LIFE."

Gordon: HE NOW DREAMS

OF PARTICIPATING IN THE

2020 OLYMPICS, WHERE HE

WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY

FOR THE FIRST TIME TO

REPRESENT THE U.S. AS A

CITIZEN.

AND WHAT A WONDERFUL

STORY.

THERE IS DEFINITELY

FROM -- FROM SLAVERY TO

TIME-TIME OLYMPIAN,

HOPEFULLY THREE-TIME

OLYMPIAN, AND SAYING, I

WANT TO GIVE BACK; I WANT

TO SERVE.

Terry: YOU SENSE IN

HIS COMMENTS THE ABILITY

IN AMERICA, WHEN YOU HAVE

VERY LITTLE, TO RISE UP IF

YOU'RE WILLING TO TAKE

THAT JOURNEY, AND, BOY, HE

HAS DONE IT AND DONE IT

WELL.

COMMENDABLE.

Gordon: YES, HE HAS.

> HEROS COME IN ALL

SHAPES AND SIZES.

IN THE NEXT STORY, THE

HERO JUST HAPPENS TO BE

FURRY.

HE PROTECTED HIS HOME AND

OWNER IN A RECENT BURGLARY

AND NEARLY GAVE HIS LIFE.

Terry: 16-YEAR-OLD

JAVIER WAS HOME WHEN TWO

MEN BROKE INTO HIS HOUSE.

HE HID IN THE CLOSET AND

CALLED 9-1-1 WHILE REX

CONFRONTEDED THE CROOKS.

REX BIT ONE OF THE MEN WHO

THEN OPENED FIRE ON THE

DOG.

JAVIER SAID HE COULD HEAR

HIS DOG CRYING AS THEY

SCRAPED.

IT IS A MIRACLE HE

SURVIVED THREE BULLETS,

AND THEY'RE CALLING HIS

HEROICS A BLESSING.

REX IS AN ANGEL.

HE IS MY FOUR-LEGGED ANGEL

THAT WE HAVE AT OUR HOUSE.

I JUST WANT TO THANK MY

DOG.

IF IT WASN'T FOR HIM, I

WOULDN'T BE STANDING HERE

RIGHT NOW.

REX DIDN'T HOLD BACK ON

ANYTHING.

IF REX WASN'T THERE, THEY

WOULD HAVE OPENED THAT

DOOR AND THEY WOULD HAVE

SAW ME IN THERE.

Terry: REX SUFFERED A

TIBIA FRACTURE, WHICH

REQUIRED SURGERY AND

CONTINUED THERAPY FOR

ARTHRITIS.

ALL THINGS CONSIDERED, THE

FAMILY SAYS REX IS

RECOVERING WELL.

Gordon: REX IS

WELL-NAMED.

REX STANDS PHO FOR KING, AND

BOY, IS HE EVER A KING.

SPEEDY RECOVERY, REX.

Terry: ONE YOUNG

MAN'S SUPER HOBBY TURNED

INTO A CAREER.

OMAR HAS DOWN SYNDROME.

SEVERAL WEEKS AGO, HIS

PARENTS OPENED UP A SHOP

FOR HIM TO RUN.

Gordon: HE TURNS 22

IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS AND

WILL AGE OUT OF SCHOOL IN

HIS LOCAL HIGH SCHOOL.

HIS PARENTS RECOGNIZED THE

LACK OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR

DISABLED YOUNG ADULTS, AND

DECIDED TO WORK WITH HIS

PASSION.

WELL, STORE MANAGER SALLY

HOOPS SAYS OMAR'S

ENTHUSIASM IS INFECTIOUS.

OMAR IS SUPER EXCITED

TO COME HERE EVERY DAY.

THE COSTUMERS LOVE HIM,

AND HE LOVES THE

COSTUMERS.

YOU MET OMAR, AND YOU KNOW

HE IS KIND OF HARD NOT TO

LOVE.

Terry: THAT IS AN

AWESOME IDEA.

Gordon: YEAH, MORE

HOUR TO OMAR, AND MORE

POWER TO HIS PARENTS TO

RECOGNIZE THERE IS AN

OPPORTUNITY HERE.

HOW DO WE CRAFT THAT?

I O LOVI LOVE THE IDEA, NOT JUST

FOR OUR SON, BUT HOW DO WE

OPEN IT UP SO WE CAN HIRE

MORE PEOPLE WITH

DISABILITIES.

Terry: WE CAN'T

MENTION HEROS WITHOUT

DISCUSSING THE SUPERHERO

FILM.

FORBES MAGAZINE PROJECTS

THAT "BLACK PANTHER," WILL

PASS $1 BILLION.

Gordon: THEY HAVE

RECOGNIZED THE FILM'S

APPEAL, AND THEY PAID FOR

NUMEROUS CHILDREN IN THEIR

HOME TOWNS TO ATTEND THE

MOVIE FREE OF CHARGE.

AND HARRISON BARNES PAID

FOR 150 UNDERPRIVILEGED

CHILDREN IN DALLAS TO

WATCH THE FILM.

TAKE A LOOK.

IF EVERYBODY COULD PUT

THEIR HANDS TOGETHER AND

WALK INTO THE THEATER.

[APPLAUSE]

[CHEERING]

I WANT YOU GUYS TO BE

THE KINGS AND QUEENS THAT

YOU GUYS ARE.

HOPEFULLY YOU'LL ENJOY THE

MOVIE.

THANK YOU!

Gordon: I THINK THE

MOVIE IS BECOMING A

DEFINING MOMENT IN BLACK

HISTORY, AND IT IS A

MOMENT OF EMPOWERMENT.

IT IS TURNING INTO A

WORLDWIDE PHENOMENON.

IT IS NOT JUST HERE IN

NORTH AMERICA, BUT

THEATERS ARE SELLING OUT

THROUGHOUT AFRICA, AS WELL

AS THE REST OF THE WORLD.

SO TO HAVE A BILLION IN

BOX OFFICE RECEIPTS AFTER

JUST THREE WEEKS OF BEING

RELEASED, IT'S BEYOND

PHENOMENON AT THIS POINT.

CONGRATULATIONS TO THE

FILM-MAKERS.

AND, MORE IMPORTANTLY,

THIS IS A MARKING POINT.

THIS IS A MOVIE THAT WILL

GO DOWN IN HISTORY.

Terry: YEAH.

Gordon: COMING UP,

HIS NEWEST BOOK IS

LITERALLY RIPPED FROM THE

HEADLINES.

"NEW YORK TIMES"

BEST-SELLING AUTHOR JOEL

C. ROSENBERG IS HERE TO

DISCUSS HIS LATEST NOVEL,

"THE KREMLIN CONSPIRACY."

Gordon: JUST LAST

WEEK RUSSIAN PRESIDENT

VLADIMIR PUTIN DECLARED

RUSSIAN HAD DEVELOPED AN

INDEFENSIBLE NUCLEAR

WEAPON.

HIS WARNING IS CONCERNING,

TO SAY THE LEAST.

JOEL C. ROSENBERG IS NOT

SURPRISED.

TAKE A LOOK.

Reporter: JOEL

ROSENBERG HAS DONE IT

AGAIN.

HIS NEWEST POLITICAL

THRILLER, "THE KREMLIN

CONSPIRACY," FEELS RIPPED

FROM TOMORROW'S HEADLINES.

WITH AN AMERICAN PRESIDENT

DISTRACTED BY NORTH KOREA

AND IRAN, A CZAR IS RISING

IN RUSSIA, AND IT COULD

DRAW THE U.S. INTO NUCLEAR

WAR.

"THE KREMLIN CONSPIRACY,"

FROM "NEW YORK TIMES"

BEST-SELLING AUTHOR JOEL

C. ROSENBERG.

Gordon: WELL, JOEL IS

WITH US NOW.

I'LL TELL YOU, YOUR TIMING

IS UNCANNY.

HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH

THE CONCEPT AND HOW DID

YOU MEET THIS HEADLINE?

AS YOU KNOW, GORDON,

I'VE BEEN WRITING ABOUT

THE THREAT OF RADICAL

ISLAM, AND I'VE BEEN DOING

IT THROUGH NOVELS, AND

I'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR

ALMOST 17 YEARS.

I JUST NEEDED A

PROFESSIONAL RESHUFFLING

OF THE DECK.

RADICAL ISLAM IS EVIL, BUT

IT IS NOT THE ONLY EVIL IN

THE WORLD, AS WE SEE IN

NORTH KOREA AND ELSEWHERE.

I WAS LOOKING FOR A NEW

THREAT TO WRITE ABOUT, AND

MY EYE KEPT BEING DRAWN

BACK TO VLADIMIR PUTIN.

AS YOU KNOW, I'M JEWISH ON

MY FATHER'S SIDE.

AND MY FATHER'S FAMILY

WERE ORTHODOX JEWS THAT

ESCAPED OUT OF RUSSIA IN

THE EARLY YEARS OF THE

1900s, WHEN CZAR NICOLAS

THE SECOND WAS IN POWER.

60,000 JEWISH PEOPLE

MURDERED, MANY RAPED,

BEATEN, TORTURED -- IT WAS

HORRIBLE.

WE GOT OUT BY GOD'S GRACE.

BUT EVER SINCE PART OF OUR

HERITAGE, D.N.A., I WOULD

SAY, IS TO KEEP AN EYE ON

THE EVIL OF BAZAARS.

AND ALTHOUGH PUTIN WAS

BORN AND RAISED IN THE

SOVIET ERA, AND HE WAS AN

OPERATIVE IN THE K.G.B.,

HE IS NOT A COMMUNIST AT

HEART.

HE IS -- I THINK HE SEES

HIMSELF AS A CZAR, SOMEONE

TRYING TO REBUILD AND

EXPAND THE IMPERIALIST

POWER OF RUSSIA.

HE FEELS HUMILIATEDED BY HUMILIATED BY THE

COLLAPSED OF THE SOVIET

UNION.

AND HE THINKS IT IS THE

WORST CATASTROPHE.

YOU AND I COULD PICK

OTHERS, LIKE THE

HOLOCAUST, RWANDA --

Gordon: WHERE YOU

HAVE A SYSTEM THAT HAS

FAILED AND IT NEEDED TO

COLLAPSE --

HE THINKS THIS IS A

DISASTER AND THAT HE NEEDS

TO REBUILD THE GLORY OF

MOTHER RUSSIA.

WITH THAT PREMISE, I BEGAN

TO ASK MYSELF LETS IMAGINE

A WORST-CASE SCENARIO FOR

PUTIN.

I'M NOT GOING TO CALL HIM

PUTIN, HE IS NOT PUTIN,

BUT HE IS PUTIN-ESQUE.

THIS ALLOWS HE TO CREATE

SOMEBODY AND TRY TO

IMAGINE WHERE MIGHT THEY

GO NEXT?

Gordon: IT IS

INTERESTING THAT YOU POINT

OUT CZAR, BECAUSE THE ROOT

OF THAT, LIKE KIS KAISER, IS

CAESAR.

THAT IS THE ROOT FROM

WHICH IT IS ALL SPRINGING.

IN THE CHRISTIAN

PERSECUTION, CAESAR HAD TO

BE WORSHIPPED AS GOD, AND

THAT WAS THE TEST.

IF YOU REFUSED TO WORSHIP

CAESAR AS A GOD, YOU WOULD

BE PUT TO DEATH.

AND THE CHRISTIANS

COULDN'T DO IT.

THEY WOULD SAY, THERE IS

ONLY ONE LORD, AND HIS

NAME IS JESUS.

EXACTLY.

AND THIS IS WHAT CONCERNS

ME ABOUT PUTIN, IT IS NOT

JUST HE IS A THREAT TO

ISRAEL AND OTHERS, THE

THAT HAD MOVES INTO SYRIA

TO SLAUGHTER HUNDREDS OF

THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE AND

CREATING A NEW FOOT HOLD

INTO THE MIDDLE EAST, AND

IT IS NOT THAT HE IS

THREATENING THE U.S. --

TALK ABOUT CONCLUSION, I

SHOULD BE COLLUDING --

THERE IS MORE.

18 MONTHS AGO, AS YOU

KNOW, HE OUTLAWED THE

SHARING OF THE GOSPEL IN

RUSSIA.

YOU CAN NO LONGER INVITE

SOMEONE EVEN TO YOUR HOME

AND SHARE THE GOSPEL.

Gordon: AND HE DID IT

WITH THE SUPPORT, ODDLY,

OF THE ORTHODOX CHURCH.

THAT'S RIGHT.

YOU CAN'T INVITE SOMEONE

TO CHURCH OR E-MAIL

SOMEONE AND ASK THEM TO

COME, AND YOU CERTAINLY

CAN'T HAVE BIG

EVANGELISTIC COMPAIGNS

LIKE BILLY GRAHAM -- GOD

BLESS HIM -- DID WHEN THEY

OPENED THE DOOR TO THE

COMMUNIST COUNTRY THROUGH

BILLY GRAHAM.

SO WE'RE AT A MOMENT WHERE

VLADIMIR PUTIN IS NOT JUST

A THREAT.

HE IS MUCH MORE DANGEROUS

THAN RADICAL ISLAM.

HE HAS 7,000 NUCLEAR

WARHEADS, AND HE IS AT WAR

WITH THE GOSPEL.

THIS IS NOT A GOOD

COMBINATION.

HE HAS INVADED THE

REPUBLIC OF GEORGIA AND HE

OCCUPIES 20%.

HE INVADED SOUTHERN

UKRAINE AND HE NOW OWNS

CRIMEA.

AND, OF COURSE, SYRIA.

THE QUESTION IS: WHERE IS

HE GOING NEXT?

AND IN THIS NOVEL, I

IMAGINE A FICTIONAL

RUSSIAN LEADER TRYING TO

DO A LIGHTNING-FAST GRAB

OF ONE OR TWO OR THREE OF

THE BALTIC STATES,

ASTONIA, MAFIA, LITHUANIA.

Gordon: I WOULD SAY

UKRAINE.

WELL, HE HAS ALREADY

DONE THAT.

I THINK THE QUESTION IS --

WHAT WOULD BE THE REASON

TO GO GRAB A NATO COUNTRY?

THE REASON WOULD BE THE

GAMBLE.

THE GAMBLE THAT IN THE END

THE UNITED STATES AND NATO

WOULD NOT USE MILITARY

FORCE.

AND SUDDENLY, IF WE DID

NOT, THAT'S THE END OF

NATO.

AND NOW THE TYRANT IN

MOSCOW SUDDENLY IS THE

MOST POWERFUL MAN ON THE

WORLD, NO ONE IS STANDING

UP TO HIM, HE HAS NUCLEAR

WEAPONS, HE HAS BALLISTIC

MISSILES, AND HE WOULD BE

SITTING ON TOP WITH ALL OF

THE POWER IN THE WORLD.

THAT'S THE THEORY OF THE

WORST-CASE SCENARIO IN THE

KREMLIN CON CONSPIRACY.

Gordon: ARE YOU

CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT HAS

RECENTLY HAPPENED WITH

CHINA, WHERE THEY HAVE

GOTTEN RID OF TERM LIMITS

FOR THE LEADER?

RIGHT.

YES.

Gordon: I THOUGHT IN

THE LAST CENTURY IT WAS

CALLED THE CULT OF

PERSONALITY HAD BEEN

COMPLETELY DEBUNKED, AND

THEY WERE GOING TO

ELECTION PROCESSES, AND

LET'S HAVE A REGULAR

CHANGEOVER IN LEADERSHIP

SO WE DON'T GET INTO THAT.

NOW THE WORLD SEEMS TO BE

COMPLETELY TURNING THE

OTHER WAY.

ARE WE GETTING SET UP FOR

DICTATORS ONCE AGAIN?

WE ARE.

YOU HAVE THAT IN NORTH

KOREA.

YOU HAVE IT IN CHINA.

YOU HAVE IT IN RUSSIA.

CHINA AND NORTH KOREA ARE

SERIOUS THREATS.

I THINK CHINA IS A LITTLE

BIT LONGER-TERM THREAT.

WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN THE

SOUTH CHINA SEAS IS VERY,

VERY DANGEROUS.

NORTH KOREA, OF COURSE,

THE LEADER IS CRAZY, SO

ANYTHING COULD HAPPEN

THERE.

THAT'S MY NEXT BOOK.

LITERALLY, I'M WRITING IT

NOW.

RIGHT NOW I THINK THE

UNITED STATES IS SO

FOCUSED ON CHINA AND NORTH

KOREA AND ISIS AND

AL-QAEDA -- AND THOSE ARE

SERIOUS -- BUT I FEEL LIKE

RUSSIA AND BRUSSELS ARE

NOT TAKEN SERIOUSLY.

PUTIN'S SPEECH THAT WAS SO

AGGRESSIVE LAST WEEK --

THAT'S WHAT HE SAID.

HE SAID, THE WORLD IS NOT

LISTENING TO ME.

AND HE SAID, YOU LISTEN TO

ME NOW, I AM NOT BLUFFING.

I FEEL LIKE FOR ALL OF HIS

BRAVADO, FOR ALL THAT HE

HAS DONE -- FOR ALL OF

THAT, HE FEELS HE IS STILL

NOT GETTING PEOPLE'S

ATTENTION, AND HE SEEMS TO

WANT IT.

AND THAT IS A DANGEROUS

PLACE.

Gordon: IT IS A

QUESTION OF WHAT SHOULD WE

DO?

IN THE BOOK, YOU HAVE YOUR

HERO HAVE A MORAL DILEMMA.

YOU'RE FACING GENOCIDE AND

YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO

TAKE OUT THE

PERPETRATOR --

MARCUS REICHER IS A

FORMER MARINE.

EVERYTHING HE LEARNED TO

PROTECT OUR PRESIDENT,

WILL HE NOW USE TO TAKE

OUT THEIRS.

Gordon: IT IS A

BONHOF FEFER QUESTION.

IT IS A BON HOFFER

QUESTION.

FIRST, WE NEED TO BE

PRAYING FOR THE PEOPLE OF

RUSSIA.

WAR IS NOT OUR FIRST

OPTION.

WHAT WE WANT IS PRAYER.

PRAYER CAN CHANGE THINGS.

WE NEED TO PRAY FOR PUTIN.

GOD CAN CHANGE HIM OR HE

COULD REMOVE HIM.

I PRAY BOTH, LORD, SAVE

HIM AND REMOVE HIM.

BUT WE ALSO NEED TO BE

PRAYING FOR OUR LEADERS IN

WASHINGTON, PARTICULAR

PRESIDENT TRUMP, WHO HAS A

CURIOUS, AND I WOULD SAY

AN UNSETTLING

RELATIONSHIP -- AND I

DON'T MEAN PERSONAL, BUT

POLICY RELATIONSHIP WITH

PUTIN.

SET ASIDE THE ISSUES OF

WHETHER THERE IS

CORRUPTION OR

CRIMINALITY -- I HOPE NOT.

I THINK PROBABLY NOT.

BUT THAT WILL BE FIGURED

OUT LATER.

THE ISSUE IS, HE IS

DRIVING NATO TO SPEND MORE

MONEY ON DEFENSE, THAT'S

GOOD.

HE HAS A GREAT TEAM AROUND

HIM.

AND THOSE THAT WEREN'T

GREAT, THEY TEND TO LEAVE.

THAT'S GOOD.

BUT HE WILL NOT SAY A

TOUGH WORD AGAINST PUTIN

AT ALL.

HE'LL TAKE SHOTS AT

ROCKETMAN IN NORTH KOREA.

JEFF SESSIONS GETS TOUGHER

LANGUAGE AS THE

ATTORNEY-GENERAL THAN

VLADIMIR PUTIN.

WHY?

I'M NOT GOING TO JUMP TO

SOME CONCLUSION THAT IT IS

CRIMINAL OR CORRUPT, BUT

IT IS UNSETTLING WHEN YOU

HAVE A LEADER AS DANGEROUS

AS VLADIMIR PUTIN AND AN

AMERICAN PRESIDENT THAT

DOESN'T SEEM TO -- HE

ACTUALLY HASN'T EVEN

RESPONDED TO THE PUTIN

SPEECH.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT.

BUT IT'S A CONCERN.

Gordon: YOU HAVE

RAISED A LOT OF

INTERESTING MORAL

QUESTIONS.

I THINK AS CHRISTIANS,

WHAT DO WE DO?

WE NEED TO KEEP IN MIND IF

THE EARLY CHURCH COULD

PRAY FOR THE CAESARS THAT

WERE PERSECUTING THEM, HOW

MUCH MORE SHOULD WE BE

PRAYING, AND PRAYING FOR

THE CHRISTIANS IN RUSSIA,

CHINESE LEADERSHIP AND OUR

OWN LEADERSHIP.

WEE NEED WISDOM NOW MORE

THAN EVER.

JOEL'S BOOK IS CALLED "THE

KREMLIN CONSPIRACY"," AND

THANKS FOR BEING WITH US.

THANK YOU.

Terry: UP NEXT, HIS

DRUG USE LEFT TO A

LIFE-THREATENING STROKE.

ALL I REMEMBER IS I

WENT THROUGH MY CLOSET

DOOR AT FIRST, AND IT FELT

LIKE I WAS BEING

ELECTROCUTED.

Terry: FIND OUT HOW

HE RECOVERED AND WHAT HE

SAYS GAVE HIM A BETTER

HIGH THAN DRUGS.

DON'T GO AWAY.

Terry: TROUBLE ALWAYS

SEEMED TO FIND RON LARSON,

AND RON WASN'T ONE TO SAY

NO.

AFTER HIGH SCHOOL, HE

DEVELOPED A DEADLY METH

ADDICTION AND SPENT TIME

IN PRISON FOR BURGLARY.

THE DRUGS HAD A HOLD ON

HIS MIND AND BODY.

UNTIL A CHURCH ELDER

BOUGHT RON A ONE-WAY

TICKET ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

GROWING UP, I WAS IN

BELLFLOWER, CALIFORNIA.

WE LIVED WITH MY MOTHER,

ME AND MY BROTHER.

OUR PARENTS DIVORCED WHEN

I WAS ONLY FIVE.

SEVENTH GRADE, EIGHTH

GRADE, WE STARTED GETTING

INTO A LOT OF TROUBLE.

OUR MOM WORKED REALLY

HARD, TWO DIFFERENT JOBS.

WHEN THE POLICE STARTED

BRINGING US HOME, SHE

REACHED THE POINT WHERE

SHE HAD ENOUGH, AND SHE

MADE A PHONE CALL TO OUR

FATHER, WHO WAS A

LOS ANGELES COUNTY SHERIFF

AND SAID, COME GET THE

BOYS.

I CAN'T HANDLE THEM

ANYMORE.

MY FATHER, HE, HE WENT TO

VIETNAM AT 18 YEARS OLD,

AND HE WAS A PLATOON

SERGEANT IN THE MARINES,

AND AFTER THE MARINES, HE

BECAME A LOS ANGELES

COUNTY SHERIFF.

HE WAS VERY STRICT AND

AGGRESSIVE.

I KIND OF PUSHED AWAY FROM

IT, AND I CONTINUED DOWN A

PATH THAT WASN'T GOOD OR

HEALTHY.

MY HIGH SCHOOL YEARS, WE

STARTED SMOKING POT AND WE

WERE DRINKING.

I LEFT HOME AT 17 YEARS

OLD.

I HAD A REALLY GOOD JOB

RIGHT OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL.

I LEFT HOME AND MOVED IN

WITH A FRIEND, AND WE

STARTED DOING A LITTLE BIT

OF COCAINE.

I NEVER REALLY LIKED THAT.

IT WASN'T UNTIL A FEW

YEARS LATER, WHEN

METHAMPHETAMINE FLOODED

LOS ANGELES, AND WE

STARTED DOING THAT, AND IT

WOULD TAKE ME TO A

DIFFERENT PLACE, WHERE I

DIDN'T EVEN THINK ABOUT

NOTHING.

AND I WAS JUST NUMB.

THAT DAY KIND OF CHANGED

MY WHOLE LIFE.

I REALLY STARTED

SPIRALLING OUT OF CONTROL.

I STARTED USING NEEDLES.

AND EVENTUALLY THAT LED TO

ME LOSING MY JOB.

I MET A GUY AND WE WERE

ROBBING, LIKE, OFF-ROAD

SHOPS.

WE WERE TAKING, LIKE,

WELDERS AND REALLY

EXPENSIVE TOOLS AND STUFF

AND SELLING THEM.

I FINALLY GOT BUSTED FOR

RESIDENTIAL BURGLARY AND

ASSAULT, AND ALONG THE

WAY, I RACKED UP "UNDER

THE INFLUENCE,"

"POSSESSION," AND STUFF

LIKE THAT.

I GOT A THREE-YEAR PRISON

SENTENCE.

IN 2005, A GUARD WAS

KILLED IN CHINO PRISON,

AND I WAS THERE AT THE

TIME.

WE WENT ON A THREE-MONTH

LOCKDOWN.

AND IT WAS THERE THAT I

MET A SKINHEAD THAT HAD

GIVEN HIS LIFE TO THE

LORD.

AND IT WAS THIS GUY'S

MISSION EVERY SINGLE DAY.

EVERY SINGLE DAY HE WOULD

COME TO MY SELL, AND,

LIKE, RON, RON, YOU'VE GOT

TO COME WITH ME.

IT'S SO REAL, YOU'VE GOT

TO BELIEVE ME.

HE TALKED ME INTO GOING TO

CHAPEL ONE NIGHT.

IT WAS AT THAT POINT THAT

I STARTED READING THE

BIBLE, AND THINGS REALLY

STARTED STICKING OUT, THAT

WE NEED A SAVIOR.

AND THAT NOBODY IS

PERFECT, AND NOBODY EVER

WILL BE PERFECT.

THE ONLY PERFECT ONE WAS

JESUS CHRIST.

IT WAS AFTER THAT TRIP TO

PRISON THAT WHEN I GOT

OUT, I WASN'T ALLOWED BACK

TO A NUMBER OF SOBER

LIVING HOMES THAT I WAS

LIVING AT.

AND MY PAROLE OFFICER HAD

ME WAIT IN HIS OFFICE.

AFTER ABOUT SEVEN, EIGHT

HOURS, HE CAME OUT AND HE

SAID, RON, I'VE GOT

SOMETHING FOR YOU.

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT A

CHRISTIAN MEN'S HOME?

IT HIT M ME LIKE A COLD

WAVE.

I WAS GOING TO CHURCH.

I GOT BAPTIZED.

AND THAT WAS AT AN ALL

BLACK CHURCH IN PAMONA,

CALIFORNIA.

I ENDED UP FINISHING MY

PAROLE, AND I STAYED CLEAN

FOR TWO YEARS AND WAS

STILL GOING TO CHURCH.

I STILL HADN'T CONQUERED A

LOT OF MY ISSUES WITH THE

DRUGS.

MY FOUNDATION WAS IN SAND.

SO WHEN THE STORM CAME, I

RELAPSEDED.

RELAPSED.

JUST LIKE THE BIBLE SAID,

IT WAS WORSE THAN BEFORE.

IT ONLY TOOK A COUPLE OF

MONTHS AND I WAS USING

NEEDLES AGAIN.

IT HAD GOTTEN SO BAD I HAD

A MINOR STROKE.

I WAS UP FOR, I THINK IT

WAS NINE DAYS.

ALL I REMEMBER IS I WENT

THROUGH MY CLOSET DOOR AT

FIRST, AND IT FELT LIKE I

WAS BEING ELECTROCUTED

THROUGHOUT MY WHOLE BODY.

I WENT TO ONE OF THE

ELDERS IN THE CHURCH AND

EXPLAINED TO HAD WHAT

HAPPENED, AND I TOLD HIM I

NEEDED TO GO TO MAINE.

I KNEW OF THIS PROGRAM IN

MAINE CALLED "SEVEN OAKS."

THEY BOUGHT ME A TICKET.

AND THEY SAID, YOU NEED TO

BE READY TO GO IN TWO

DAYS.

I HAD NEVER BEEN TO THE

EAST COAST.

I'M WITH 24 GUYS.

THERE ARE EIGHT GUYS IN

ONE ROOM.

AND WE WORKED HARD.

AND IT WAS JUST BIBLE,

BIBLE, BIBLE, LEARNING THE

BIBLE.

AND THEY KEPT EMPHASIZING

ON WHAT I NEEDED WAS A

RELATIONSHIP WITH THE

LORD.

A RELATIONSHIP.

YOU'VE GOT TO GET TO KNOW

JESUS.

YOU HAVE TO KNOW HIM.

AND IT CAN'T BE A ONE-WAY

RELATIONSHIP.

A FEW MONTHS INTO IT, AND

I KNEW I REALLY NEEDED TO

GET EVERYTHING OUT OF ME

AND PUT ON CHRIST.

I REMEMBER THE FIRST TIME

I EVER CRIED DURING

WORSHIP.

JUST REALLY INTENSE

FEELINGS THAT I WAS USED

TO GETTING IN OTHER WAYS,

I WAS GETTING THROUGH THE

BIBLE AND I WAS GETTING AT

CHURCH, DURING THE MUSIC.

AND I REMEMBER THE FIRST

TIME THAT I REALLY FELT

THAT THE LORD SPOKE TO ME

IN A BIBLE STUDY, AND IT

GAVE ME CHILLS.

IT FELT BETTER THAN ANY

HIGH THAT I'VE GOTTEN OFF

OF DRUGS.

AND THE BEST THING ABOUT

THE LORD IS HE WORKS FROM

THE INSIDE OUT.

IF I WOULD HAVE WENT TO A

SECULAR DRUG REHAB AND

GOTTEN CLEAN, I MAY HAVE

GOTTEN CLEAN FROM DRUGS,

BUT I WOULD STILL HAVE

THAT HATE AND ANGER, ALL

OF THAT STUFF THAT

ORIGINALLY LED ME TO DRUGS

STILL IN ME.

THE ONLY CURE IS A

RESTORATION FROM CHRIST.

I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT

NO MATTER HOW FAR DOWN THE

WRONG ROAD THAT WE GO

DOWN, THAT WE CAN ALWAYS

TURN AROUND AND RESPENT.

NO MATTER WHAT WE'VE DONE,

HOW BAD WE WERE, WHERE

WE'RE AT IN LIFE, THE LORD

IS ALWAYS THERE WITH OPEN

ARMS TO MEET US.

Terry: BOY, WHAT RON

SAID IS SO TRUE.

YOU CAN NEVER BE TOO DEAD

FOR A RESURRECTION.

AND EVERYBODY WHO COMES TO

CHRIST SINCERELY HAS AN

OPPORTUNITY FOR A NEW

BEGINNING, FOR A

START-OVER.

WHERE ELSE DO YOU GET THAT

IN LIFE?

NOWHERE YOU'VE BEEN, NO

MATTER WHAT YOU'VE DONE,

YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO

START OVER.

BUT BEYOND THAT, IN

ADDITION TO THE

START-OVER, YOU HAVE AN

OPPORTUNITY FOR HEALING OF

ALL OF THE THINGS THAT

HAVE TAKEN YOU DOWN THE

WRONG PATHS OVER THE

YEARS, EVERYTHING.

IT DOESN'T USUALLY HAPPEN

IN THE SNAP OF A FINGER,

BUT BEING WITH JESUS, IN

JESUS, LIVING FOR HIM, AND

LETTING HIM LIVE IN YOU,

IS A PROCESS.

IT IS A DAY-TO-DAY

JOURNEY, IT'S A

RELATIONSHIP, AND IT GROWS

AS YOU YOU GROW.

IT GROWS AS IT GOES ON.

TODAY, I DON'T KNOW IF

YOU'VE HAD ADDICTION

ISSUES OR SOME OTHER

STRUGGLE IN YOUR LIFE, BUT

THERE IS NOTHING THAT CAN

KEEP YOU FROM THE LOVE OF

GOD ACCEP EXCEPT YOUR

UNWILLINGNESS TO COME.

TODAY HIS ARMS ARE

STRETCHED OUT FOR YOU AND

ME, THAT'S WHAT THE CROSS

IS, THE ARMS STRETCHED OUT

FOR YOU AND ME SO WE CAN

COME AND BE FORGIVEN AND

START OVER.

IF YOU NEED TO PRAY WITH

SOMEONE TODAY, OUR NUMBER

IS TOLL-FREE:

1-800-700-7000.

DON'T WAIT ANOTHER DAY,

COME TO HIM NOW.

GORDON?

Gordon: HERE IS A

WORD FROM COLOSSIANS FOR

YOU, AND I ENCOURAGE YOU

TO REALLY MEDITATE ON THIS

ONE: "BY HIM, ALL THINGS

WERE CREATED THAT ARE IN

HEAVEN, AND THAT ARE ON

EARTH, VISIBLE AND

INVISIBLE, WHETHER THRONE

ON DOMINIONS OR

PRINCIPALITIES OR POWERS,

ALL THINGS WERE CREATED

THROUGH HIM AND FOR HIM."

MEDITATE ON THAT TODAY AND

BE ENCOURAGED IN THE LORD.

ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY

HIM, AND THAT INCLUDES

YOU.

GOD BLESS YOU.

WE'LL SEE YOU AGAIN.

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