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700 Club Interactive - May 16, 2018

Jill Donovan shares how an embarrassing Oprah appearance caused her to rethink her re-gifting strategy & unexpectedly launch a booming jewelry business. Read Transcript


Andrew: SHE WAS

SHAMED IN FRONT OF OPRAH'S

20 MILLION VIEWERS. TODAY

JILL DONOVAN JOINS US LIVE

TO DISCUSS HOW HER MOST

EMBARRASSING MOMENT LED TO

THE CREATION OF HER

MILLION DOLLAR BUSINESS.

PLUS...A WOMAN WITH HIP

PAIN WHO HEARD A WORD OF

HOPE ON TV.

I THOUGHT, I WONDER IF

THAT IS ME?

AND I SAID, IF IT IS, YES,

I'LL TAKE IT.

Andrew: SEE HOW SHE

GETS HER ANSWER OR TODAY'S

"700 CLUB INTERACTIVE."

HI, THANKS FOR JOINING US

TODAY.

JILL DONOVAN TRIED FOR

FIVE YEARS TO GET A TICKET

TO BE IN THE AUDIENCE FOR

THE OPRAH WINFREY SHOW,

ALL TO KNOW AVAIL.

THEN ONE DAY SHE GOT A

CHANCE TO BE A PART OF THE

SHOW ITSELF.

JILL DONOVAN WAS SELECTED

BY OPRAH WINFREY PRODUCERS

TO DISCUSS THE DOs AND

DON'Ts OF REGIFTING.

AS AN AVID REGIFTING,

EXPERTS CALLED HER TACKY

AND ACCEPTABLE IN FRONT OF

OPRAH'S 20 MILLION

VIEWERS.

SHE WAS MORTIFIED.

BUT GOD HELPED JILL TURN

THAT EMBARRASSMENT INTO A

SUCCESS.

I WAS WATCHING TV, AND

I SAW A GIRL MAKING CUFFS.

AND I COLLECTED CUFFS FOR

THE LAST 10 YEARS, AND I

GOT UP WITH THIS RENEWED

PASSION TO START DOING

SOMETHING AGAIN.

AND FROM THAT NIGHT ON O,, I

TAUGHT MYSELF HOW TO MAKE

CUFFS, ONLINE, EVERY BOOK,

EVERYTHING I COULD GET

AHOLD OF.

AND "RUSTIC CUFFS" WAS

BORN BECAUSE OF THAT.

Reporter: AND SHE HAS

CELEBRITY COSTUMERS, LIKE

KATHY LEE GIFFORD AND EVEN

OPRAH WINFREY.

> WELL, JILL DONOVAN

JOINS US.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING

ME.

Reporter: I WANT TO

TOUCH ON YOU'RE ON THE

OPRAH WINFREY SHOW,

EXPECTING ONE THING,

EXPECTING ONE THING, BUT

IT WENT THE OTHER WAY.

TELL ME WHAT THAT DID TO

YOUR HEART.

IT DID SOMETHING -- I

WAS EXPECTING AN AMAZING

EXPERIENCE, AND ALTHOUGH

BEING ON THE OPRAH WINFREY

SHOW WAS AMAZING, BUT THE

OUTCOME, NO FAULT OF

OPRAH, WAS COMPLETELY

OPPOSITE OF WHAT I THOUGHT

IT WAS GOING TO BE.

Reporter: IN YOUR

BOOK, YOU HAVE A VERY

POIGNANT MOMENT IN WHICH

YOU SAY, I HAD FEAR AND

REFUSED TO BE VULNERABLE

ANYMORE.

HOW LONG WERE YOU IN THAT

PLACE?

IT WAS A FEW YEARS.

I WENT HOME AND DECIDED IF

DOING FUN THINGS AND

HOBBIES GOT ME TO A PLACE

OF FOR FUN GETTING TO THE

OPRAH SHOW, I DIDN'T WANT

TO DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT

ANYMORE.

I DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE A

CHANCE AGAIN.

Andrew: THAT'S A SAD

PLACE TO BE.

YES.

Andrew: BUT YOU TOOK

STEPS TO GETS OUT OF THAT.

GET OUT OF THAT.

LAST WEEK, ON MY 40th

BIRTHDAY -- YOU KNOW,

YOU'RE LAUGHING -- BUT I

SAID, I WANT TO DO

SOMETHING I DO FEEL

PARALYZED BY.

I REMEMBER THE FEELING OF

BREAKING FREE.

AND SO THERE WAS A 30-FOOT

POLE WAITING TO BE

CLIMBED, AND I WAS

CONNECTED TO SOMETHING.

Andrew: YOU SAID, I

WANT TO DO SOMETHING THAT

WILL MAKE ME FEEL

PARALYZED -- IS THAT

RIGHT?

I WANT TO DO SOMETHING

THAT I AM PARALYZED BY AND

BREAK FREE OF IT, SO IT IS

A REMINDER TO ME OF NOT

JUST DOING SOMETHING

PHYSICAL, BUT IN MY

PERSONAL LIFE.

THERE IS A A PLACE WHERE YOU

CAN DO ROPE SPORTS -- IT

IS SORT OF A CAMP FOR

ADULTS, WITH COMFORTABLE

BEDS.

AND SO I CLIMBED THIS

POLE, AND WAS TERRIFIED --

TERRIFIED.

AND YOU CAN FEEL THE

BUTTERFLIES IN EVERY BIT

OF YOUR BODY, AND I

JUMPED.

AND I HAVE DONE IT 16

TIMES NOW.

Andrew: HOW DID YOUR

FAITH PLAY A PROCESS OF

MOVING FORWARD?

BECAUSE WHEN YOU JUMP,

THERE IS NOTHING TO HOLD

ON TO.

YOU'RE CONNECTED BY THE

HARNESS.

AND EVERY TIME I JUMP, I

TAKE MY ARMS LIKE THIS,

AND I SAY, OKAY, GOD,

YOU -- THIS IS JUST ONE

BIG I LET GO, AND THIS IS

A YES TO WHAT YOU WANT ME

TO DO.

Andrew: AND IT IS A

REMINDER OF THE DAILY

SURRENDER TO HIM?

YES.

I DO IT EVERY JANUARY.

AND SO AR FOR THE FULL YEAR I

REMEMBER THE JUMP AND LET

IT GO.

Andrew: HOW DID

RUSTIC CUFFS COME ABOUT?

AFTER I SAID I'M GOING

TO JUMP AND LET GO, IN THE

MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, I

THOUGHT, I WANT TO DO

SOMETHING CREATIVE.

I WAS A LAW PROFESSOR, AND

ALTHOUGH THAT WAS

ENJOYABLE, I WANTED TO DO

SOMETHING WITH THE OTHER

SIDE OF MY BRAIN.

AND I WAS COLLECTING CUFFS

FOR YEARS.

I DIDN'T WANT A

BUSINESS -- I REALLY

DIDN'T, BUT I JUST WANTED

TO START DOING SOMETHING

FUN AND START GIVING THEM

AWAY.

I DIDN'T WANT A SINGLE

EMPLOYEE.

I MEAN -- I HAD TWO KIDS,

AND THAT'S LIKE A THOUSAND

EMPLOYEES.

AND WE WERE TALKING

EARLIER, AND EVERYTHING

YOU SAY NEVER TO, NOW

THERE ARE 150 OF THEM OUT

THERE.

THAT'S LIKE 12,000 KIDS.

Andrew: I NEVER WANT

A BUSINESS, I NEVER WANT

TO WRITE A BOOK --

I DON'T WANT TO SIT

WITH ANDREW KNOX --

Andrew: THAT'S A

COMMON THEME.

[LAUGHTER]

Andrew: YOU SET OUT

FOR YOURSELF CREATIVELY TO

BLESS PEOPLE, AND GOD DOES

SOMETHING WITH THAT.

YES.

AND I THINK GOD TAKES THE

PEOPLE WHO THINK, I COULD

NEVER DO THAT -- IF HE

SHOWED ME THE WHOLE PLAN

AHEAD OF TIME, I WOULD

HAVE SAID, ABSOLUTELY NOT.

I'M GOING THE OTHER WAY.

BUT HE BUILT IT ONE PLANK

AT A TIME.

Andrew: WAS IT KIND

OF A SKYROCKETING PROCESS?

IT WAS KIND OF QUICK.

YES.

BUT WHEN YOU'RE IN THE

MIDDLE OF IT, YOU DON'T

KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING,

BUT YOU YOU SIT THER SIT THERE AND YOU

HOLD ON.

IT WAS ME BY MYSELF, AND

THEN FIVE EMPLOYEES THE

SECOND YEAR, AND THIS IS

YEAR SIX, AND IT IS 150.

AND EVERY DAY I WAKE UP

AND SAY, I CANNOT LOOK AT

THE WHOLE PICTURE.

I SAY, JUST TODAY.

Andrew: AND

IRONICALLY, OPRAH WAS

WEARING ONE OF YOUR CUFFS,

CORRECT?

YES.

THAT WAS A WEIRD FULL

CIRCLE MOMENT WHERE GOD

SAID, YOU'RE EXACTLY WHERE

YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE.

Andrew: AND YOU

MENTION, DON'T COMPARE

YOUR CHAPTER ONE WITH

SOMEONE ELSE'S CHAPTER 20.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN?

WHEN I FIRST STARTED, I

HAD 100 LIKES ON

Facebook.

AND I THOUGHT HOW DO YOU

YOU GET A LOT OF

COSTUMERS.

AND ANOTHER JEWELRY

COMPANY I ADMIRED HAD ONE

MILLION.

AND I CREATED A Facebook

PROFILE AND STARTED LIKING

ALL OF MY POSTS.

[LAUGHTER]

THAT'S HOW I STARTED

MARKETING.

AND I SAID, I'M NOT GOING

TO COMPARE MY 100 LIKES TO

THEIR ONE MILLION, BECAUSE

I WOULD HAVE STOPPED AT

THAT MOMENT.

WHAT I WOULD DO IS TAKE

THE GREAT THINGS THAT THE

PEOPLE IN THE CHAPTERS

AHEAD OF ME HAVE ALREADY

DONE AND LEARN FROM IT.

THE SECOND I COMPARE IT,

THEN IT'S OVER FOR ME.

Andrew: AND WE MAKE

THAT MISTAKE, DON'T WE?

YES.

Andrew: WHAT SOMEONE

ELSE HAS, WHAT TALENTS

THEY'VE GOT.

AND I'VE LEARNED TO BE

OKAY WITH WHAT I AM NOT,

AND FOCUS ON THE THINGS

THAT GOD HAS GIVEN ME.

AND THAT HAS HELPED.

Andrew: WHAT IS THE

KINDNESS AFFECT, AND HOW

DO YOU YOU IMPLEMENT THAT.

THE KINDNESS AFFECT IS

THE NAME OF THE BOOK, AND

IT IS THE NAME OF A

SEGMENT WE DO IN TULSA,

OKLAHOMA, AND WE GO OUT

AND SURPRISE PEOPLE WITH

REALLY KIND THINGS, OR

THINGS THAT WOULD BLESS

THEM.

REALLY, IT IS A MATTER OF

DOING THINGS FOR PEOPLE

THAT HAVE NO EXPECTATIONS,

GOING OUTSIDE OF YOUR

COMFORT ZONE AND WATCHING

THE EFFECTS.

WE SURPRISED A FIRE

STATION -- WE REMODELED

THEIR WHOLE STATION --

Andrew: AND YOU'VE

SEEN IT IN YOUR STORES.

COSTUMERS ARE DOING IT FOR

EDUCATOR.

COSTUMERS ARE NOT

NECESSARILY EVEN BUYING

FOR THEMSELVES, BUT BUYING

FOR STRANGERS AND LEAVE

THEM IN THEIR PURSE, AND

THEY'LL GIVE THEM TO

PEOPLE THEY FEEL DRAWN

FROM.

Andrew: WHAT IS THE

BIGGEST TAKE-AWAY YOU WANT

PEOPLE TO TAKE AWAY FROM

YOUR BOOK.

THAT ALL OF THE

SHORTCOMINGS YOU HAVE, GOD

CAN USE THEM IN MIGHTY

WAYS THAT YOU COULD NEVER

EVEN DREAM OF.

Andrew: AND WANTS TO

USE THEM.

AND WANTS TO USE THEM.

Andrew: YOU YO CAN HEAR

MORE FROM JILL ON OUR

SOCIAL EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW

ON Facebook.

TO WATCH IT, GO TO

Facebook.com/700club.

> UP NEXT, FORMER

ATHEIST AND JOURNALIST LEE

STROBEL SHARES THE CASE

FOR MIRACLES.

THAT'S WHEN WE COME BACK.

Andrew: WE LIVE IN AN

AGE OF SKEPTICISM.

SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERIES

HAVE HELPED US UNDERSTAND

THE WAY THE WORLD WORKS,

BUT WHAT ABOUT THE

SITUATIONS WHERE THERE

SEEMS TO BE NO

EXPLANATION.

COULD THEY BE THE RESULT

OF MIRACLES?

WE ASKED SOME PEOPLE ON

THE STREETS TO GIVE US

THEIR TAKE ON THE ISSUE.

Reporter: THE

STATISTICS WILL SHOW THAT

MOST PEOPLE ACTUALLY DO

BELIEVE IN MIRACLES.

DO YOU BELIEVE IN

MIRACLES?

I ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE IN

MIRACLES.

I'VE HAD NUMEROUS

THINGS HAPPEN IN MY LIFE

THAT I KNEW WAS GOD.

TIMES WE EXPERIENCE

THINGS WE CAN'T EXPLAIN,

BUT WE DON'T NEED AN

EXPLANATION.

I PERSONALLY HAVEN'T

SEEN ANYTHING, BUT I

DEFINITELY DO BELIEVE IN

THEM.

I'VE BEEN HIT BY CARS

TWICE ON MY BICYCLE.

Reporter: WOW!

I WALKED AWAY FROM BOTH

OF THEM WITH NOTHING

BROKEN.

IF YOU ASKED ME THIS A

FEW WEEKS AGO, I WOULD

HAVE PROBABLY SAID NO, BUT

MIRACLES ARE IN THE EYE OF

BEHOLDER.

M I'M A WITNESS THAT GOD

IS REAL.

Andrew: I'M THRILLED

TO HAVE LEE STROBEL HERE

TO TALK ABOUT HIS NEW BOOK

ON MIRACLES.

WELCOME TO THE SHOW.

THANKS.

GREAT TO BE HERE.

Andrew: THIS BOOK IS

FASCINATING TO ME.

HERE IS A BOOK ON

MIRACLES, A LOT OF

CHRISTIAN BOOKS TRY TO

CONVINCE YOU OF A SPECIFIC

PURPOSE FOR THE BOOK, AND

YOU SPEND A LOT OF TIME IN

THE BOOK TALKING ABOUT THE

DOUBTS THAT PEOPLE HAVE.

WHY DO YOU TAKE THAT KIND

OF APPROACH?

I THINK WE OUGHT NOT TO

BE AFRAID OF WHAT SKEPTICS

SAY.

I WENT TO THE EDITOR OF

SKEPTIC MAGAZINE,

DR. MICHAEL SHERVER, AND I

SAID GIVE ME YOUR BEST

CASE AGAINST MIRACLES.

AND I SPENT THE FIRST

THREE CHAPTERS OF THE

BOOKLETINBOOKLETTING HIM HAVE HIS SAY.

BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT

IS A VERY GOOD CASE.

AND THE REST OF THE BOOK I

RESPOND TO HIS OBJECTIONS

AND THEN BUILD THE

AFFIRMATIVE CASE TO SHOW

THERE REALLY IS GOOD

EVIDENCE.

Andrew: YOU SEEM TO,

IN YOUR WORKS, RESPECT THE

ATHEIST POINT OF VIEW.

YES.

I WAS AN ATHEIST FOR MUCH

OF MY LIFE.

MY BACKGROUND IS IN

JOURNALISM AND LAW, SO IF

YOU CAN IMAGINE IF YOU PUT

THOSE TWO THINGS TOGETHER.

I WAS AN ATHEIST, SO I

UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY'RE

COMING FROM.

I UNDERSTAND THE MINDSET.

I UNDERSTAND THE

EXPERIENCES THAT CAN LEAD

TO THAT BECAUSE IT IS

REALLY JUST ABOUT THE

INTELLECTUAL OBJECTIONS.

OFTEN THERE IS A MORAL

ISSUE INVOLVED, AND A

PSYCHOLOGICAL ISSUE

INVOLVED, AND SO FORTH.

SO I TRY TO EMPATHIZE WITH

THEM AND UNDERSTAND THEM.

Andrew: YOU DID

RESEARCH FOR THIS BOOK,

WHAT DO AMERICANS BELIEVE,

AND MANY BELIEVE IN

MIRACLES.

BY FAR.

67% BELIEVE THAT GOD CAN

STILL DO MIRACLES TODAY.

ONLY 15% SAY HE CAN'T.

THE MOST FASCINATING

STATISTIC WAS THAT 38% SAY

THEY HAVE HAD AN

EXPERIENCE IN THEIR LIFE

THAT THEY CAN ONLY EXPLAIN

HAS BEING A MIRACLE OF

GOD.

THAT MEANS IF YOU

EXTRAPOLATE THAT OUT, THAT

IS 94 MILLION MIRACLES

THAT HAVE HAPPENED.

AND EVEN IF WE ASSUME THAT

99% OF THOSE ARE JUST

COINCIDENCES, THAT STILL

LEAVES A MILLION MIRACLES.

SO I BELIEVE GOD IS STILL

IN THE MIRACLE BUSINESS.

Andrew: YOU TALKED

ABOUT INTERVIEWING

SHERMER, THE SKEPTIC.

YES.

Andrew: WHY DID YOU

WANT HIS VIEW?

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT

THAT CHRISTIANS NOT SHRINK

YOU WAY FROM WHAT SKEPTICS

HAVE TO SAY.

BEING A SKEPTIC MYSELF, I

APPRECIATED WHEN

CHRISTIANS LISTENED TO ME,

AND THE VALIDATED ME AS A

HUMAN BEING, EVEN THOUGH

WE DISAGREE.

I ACTUALLY LET THEM READ

IT BEFORE I PUT IT INTO

THE BOOK.

I WANTED HIM TO SAY, YES,

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I

THINK.

BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED TO

FEAR IT.

Andrew: ARE MANY

PEOPLE SKEPTICAL BECAUSE

THEY FEEL THAT THE

MIRACLES OF JESUS CANNOT

BE PROVEN.

DOES THAT COME UP?

YEAH.

I THINK THEY WILL SAY --

WELL, LET ME SPEAK AS A

CHRISTIAN.

I BECAME A CHRISTIAN

BECAUSE I SPENT TWO YEARS

INVESTIGATING THE

HISTORICAL EVIDENCE FOR

THE MIRACLE OF THE

RESURRECTION.

BECAME CONVINCED THAT

JESUS NOT ONLY CLAIMED TO

BE THE SON OF GOD, BUT HE

BACKED UP THAT CLAIM BY

RISING FROM THE DEAD.

SO IT WAS A MIRACLE THAT

BROUGHT ME TO THE FAITH.

Andrew: AND YOU'VE

SEEN A CHANGE IN YOUR

WIFE?

GOD WAS DOING SOMETHING

UNDENIABLE IN HER LIFE.

AND IT DREW ME TO THE

FAITH.

Andrew: ARE YOUR

INTELLECTUAL PURSUIT STILL

CONVINCED YOU OF THE

DIVINITY OF CHRIST?

IT DID.

WHAT TOOK PLACE WHEN JESUS

PERFORMED MIRACLES -- THE

OPPONENTS OF JESUS NEVER

DISPUTED THAT HE DID

MIRACLES.

THEY JUST GOT MAD AT HIM

FOR DOING IT ON THE

SABBATH.

WHERE MY SKEPTICISM KICKED

IN AGAIN WAS, IS GOD STILL

ACTIVE?

IS HE STILL DOING

MIRACLES?

BECAUSE I'LL SEE SOMETHING

ON TELEVISION OR AT AN

EVENT, AND SOMEONE HAS

CLAIMED A MIRACLE HAS

HAPPENED, AND I'LL GO,

MAYBE, BUT HOW DO I KNOW?

WHAT IS THE EVIDENCE?

I'M AN EVIDENTIAL PERSON.

I NEED EVIDENCE.

THERE ARE DOCTOR

TESTIMONIES, AND THERE ARE

MEDICAL RECORDS, AND SO

FORTH.

Andrew: IS THIS WHAT

YOU MEANT WHEN YOU SAID

THE CASE AGAINST MIRACLES

FALLS SHORT?

IT DOES.

A LOT OF SKEPTICS WILL

IMMEDIATELY CITE DAVID

HUME, AND HE HAD A FAMOUS

ARGUMENT AGAINST MIRACLES,

BUT HE HAS BEEN TOTALLY

REFUTED TODAY.

IN FACT, OXFORD UNIVERSITY

JUST PUBLISHED A BOOK WITH

THE TILED "HUME'S ABJECT

FAILURE."

I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE:

HUME SAID THAT MIRACLES

ARE VIOLATIONS OF THE LAWS

OF NATURE.

AND YOU CAN'T VIOLATE THE

LAWS OF NATURE.

WELL, HE IS WRONG.

IF I TAKE AN APPLE AND

DROP IT, THE LAW OF

GRAVITY SAYS IT IS GOING

TO HIT THE GROUND.

BUT IF I DROP AN APPLE AND

YOU CATCH IT, YOU'RE NOT

VIOLATING THE LAWS OF

GRAVITY, YOU'RE JUST

INTERVENING.

IF GOD CREATED THE

UNIVERSE, THEN IT'S

CHILD'S PLAY FOR HIM TO

REACH IN AND CREATE, FOR

INSTANCE, A VIRGIN BIRTH

OR WALKING ON WATER.

Andrew: THERE IS

ANOTHER SIDE TO THIS

MIRACLE SUBJECT.

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF

FOLKS UPSTAIRS PASSING

YOUR BOOK ABOUT, AND THEY

LOVE IT.

AND THERE ARE CHRIST

FOLLOWERS WHO SAY, I

PRAYED FOR A MIRACLE FOR

YEARS, AND IT DIDN'T

HAPPEN.

HOW DO WE APPROACH THAT

TOPIC?

I COULD NOT WRITE A

BOOK ON THIS TOPIC WITHOUT

DEALING WITH THAT

QUESTION.

MY WIFE HAS A CHRONIC

MEDICAL CONDITION THAT HAS

HER IN PAIN EVERY SINGLE

DAY FOR 20 YEARS.

THERE IS NO CURE.

SHE WILL BE IN PAIN EVERY

DAY FOR THE REST OF HER

LIFE, UNLESS GOD

INTERVENES AND DOES A

MIRACLE.

HE HASN'T.

SO I KNEW FROM PERSONAL

EXPERIENCE THAT I HAVE TO

ADDRESS THAT ISSUE.

SO I WEPT TO A MAN WITH A

Ph.D. IN PHILOSOPHY, WHO

CAN GIVE EVERY RATIONAL

REASON WHY GOD DOESN'T

ALWAYS DO MIRACLES IN OUR

LIFE.

BUT HIS WIFE IS DYING

PREMATURELY OF A BRAIN

DISEASE, AND NOW HE

UNDERSTANDS THE EMOTIONAL

SIDE OF THAT.

HIS NAME IS DR. DOUGLAS

GROTISE, AND WISDOM JUST

DRIPPED FROM HIS LIPS AS

HE TALKED ABOUT THIS

ISSUE.

WE COULD TALK THE REST OF

THE HOUR ON THAT TOPIC.

I'LL GIVE YOU A COUPLE OF

QUICK THINGS TO CONSIDER

ABOUT THAT.

NUMBER ONE, GOD IS

SOVEREIGN.

HE UNDERSTANDS THINGS WE

DON'T UNDERSTAND.

HE SEES A PICTURE THAT WE

DON'T SEE.

I ASKED DOUGLAS, IF YOU

WERE GOD, WOULD YOU YOU HEAL

YOUR WIFE RIGHT NOW?

AND HE SAID.

AND I SAID, WHY NOT.

AND HE SAID, LEE, IF I

WERE GOD, I WOULD HAVE

GOD'S KNOWLEDGE, WISDOM,

PERFECTION, I WOULD DO

EXACTLY WHAT GOD IS DOING

RIGHT NOW.

HE IS NOT HEALING MY WIFE.

WHY?

I CANNOT TELL YOU, BUT GOD

HAS HIS REASONS.

AND IT IS A MISTAKE TO

THINK WE WOULD DO THINGS

DIFFERENTLY.

AND YOU LOOK AT THE NEW

TESTAMENT, AND HEALINGS

WERE NOT AUTOMATIC IN

JESUS' DAY.

HE DIDN'T DO MANY MIRACLES

IN NAZARETH.

THE DISCIPLES WERE GIVEN

THE AUTHORITY TO HEAL IN

MATTHEW 10, AND IN MATTHEW

17, THEY CAN'T HEAL AN

EPILEPTIC BOY.

AND PAUL WAS NOT HEALED OF

THE THORN IN HIS FLESH.

SO IT WASN'T AUTOMATIC

THEN.

I THINK SOMETIMES WE HAVE

TO PRAY A PRAYER OF

RELINQUISHMENT.

WHICH SAYS, GOD, YOU DON'T

SEEM TO BE ANSWERING THE

PRAYER IN THE WAY I WANT

YOU TO ANSWER IT.

I GIVE IT TO YOU.

I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE THIS

AN IDOL AND ONLY LOVE YOU

IF YOU HEAL MY SPOUSE.

I LOVE YOU BECAUSE I LOVE

YOU, AND YOU LOVE ME, AND

I'M YOUR SON.

I'M ADOPTED THROUGH THE

BLOOD OF YOUR SON JESUS

CHRIST.

WHAT YOU WANT FOR US IS

WHAT WE WANT FOR US.

IT MAY NOT BE WHAT I'VE

CHOSEN, BUT IF YOU WANT

THIS TO BE THE EXPERIENCE

THAT WE GO THROUGH, YOU

YOU KNOW BETTER THAN WE

DO.

AND SO WE GIVE IT TO YOU.

WE RELINQUISH IT TO YOU.

AND YOU KNOW WHAT?

I KNOW THAT CHRISTIANS

SOMETIMES GET TIRED OF

PEOPLE QUOTING ROMANS

8:28, THAT GOD CAN CAUSE

ALL THINGS TO WORK

TOGETHER FOR GOOD FOR

THOSE WHO FOLLOW HIM AND

LOVE HIM.

BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, IT IS

TRUE.

WE SHOULDN'T LET IT BECOME

A CLICHE.

THERE IS HOPE.

ULTIMATELY WE WILL ALL BE

HEALED IF WE FOLLOW JESUS.

MY WIFE SOME DAY WILL BE

HEALED AND HAVE NO MORE

PAIN AND NO MORE

SUFFERING.

Andrew: YOU SPEAK IN

THE BOOK ABOUT THE MOST

VALUABLE MIRACLE OF ALL.

AND WHAT IS THAT?

YES.

IT IS THE MIRACLE OF THE

RESURRECTION OF JESUS.

BECAUSE IT IS THROUGH HIS

ATONING DEATH ON THE CROSS

THAT WE CAN BE FORGIVEN OF

OUR SINS.

THAT WE CAN BE ADOPTED

INTO HIS FAMILY, AND WE'LL

SPEND ETERNITY WITH GOD

FOREVER.

I THINK CREATION ITSELF IS

THE MOST SPECTACULAR

MIRACLE, BUT THE MOST

VALUABLE ONE IS THE ONE

THAT BRINGS US INTO A

RELATIONSHIP PERSONALLY

WITH CHRIST FOR ETERNITY.

I MEAN, THAT'S EVERYTHING.

Andrew: WE TAKE THAT

FOR GRANTED.

WE DO.

WE DO.

2 CORINTHIANS 5:17 TALKS

ABOUT WHEN WE COME TO

FAITH, THE OLD IS GONE AND

THE NEW HAS COME.

I LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCE

IN MY VALUES, MY ATTITUDE,

MY PRIORITY, MY

RELATIONSHIPS, MY

MARRIAGE -- ALL OF THESE

THINGS HAVE CHANGED SINCE

I HAVE BECOME A FOLLOWER

OF JESUS, AND FOR THE

GOOD.

I GO, YOU KNOW WHAT?

GIVEN THAT I WAS A

NARCISSISTIC, DRUNKEN,

SELF-POSSESSED ATHEIST,

THE FACT THAT GOD WOULD

REDEEM ME AND CHANGE ME

AND INVITE ME TO HEAVEN

FOREVER, THAT'S A PRETTY

GOOD MIRACLE.

Andrew: I'M GLAD HE

CHANGED YOUR HEART.

THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE

BENEFITING FROM IT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

Andrew: I REALLY

ENCOURAGE YOU TO GET THIS

BOOK.

IT IS CALLED "THE CASE FOR

MIRACLES: A JOURNALIST

INVESTIGATES EVIDENCE FOR

THE SUPER NATURAL."

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE,

AND GOD BLESS YOUR

MINISTRY.

GOD BLESS YOU.

Andrew: PHYSICAL

THERAPISTS, CHIROPRACTORS,

AND ORTHOPEDIC DOCTORS,

NONE OF THEM WERE ABLE TO

SAVE HER FROM DEBILITATING

HIP PAIN.

SHE HAD ALMOST GIVEN UP

HOPE UNTIL THE DAY SHE

WATCHED A TV SHOW.

Wendy: FOR YEARS, FAY

BRASSIE LIVED IN CONSTANT

PAIN FROM HER GENETICALLY

DEFORMED KNEES.

I WAS IN SO MUCH PAIN

THAT I WORE A BRACE FOR 10

YEARS.

Wendy: EVENTUALLY

DOCTORS WE PLACED BOTH OF

HER KNEES, AND SHE WAS

ABLE TO CONTINUE HER

ACTIVE LIFESTYLE OF

SKIING, CYCLING, AND

GARDENING.

BUT YEARS LATER SHE BEGAN

EXPERIENCING PAIN IN HER

RIGHT HIP.

IT WAS INTENSE.

IT WAS VERY SHARP.

AND TO ME, IT WAS

DEBILITATING.

I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO

HAVE TO HAVE A HIP

REPLACEMENT.

AND I WENT TO THE DOCTOR,

AND HE SAYS, NO, IT HAS TO

DO WITH YOUR MUSCLES.

Wendy: SHE SAW

PHYSICAL THERAPISTS,

CHIROPRACTORS, AND

ORTHOPEDIC DOCTORS, BUT

NONE OF THEM COULD FINE

ANYTHING WRONG.

I REALLY SORT OF HAD

GIVEN UP.

THIS IS YOUR PLIGHT.

YOU'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE

TO DEAL WITH IT.

Wendy: FOR THE NEXT

10 YEARS, FAYE LIVED IN

PAIN.

EVEN NORMAL DAY

ACTIVITIES, SUCH AS

DRIVING, SLEEPING, AND

CLEANING CAUSED HER

PROBLEMS.

I WOULD SAY, IT HURTS

SO BAD, I THINK I'LL JUST

REST.

AND MY IDEA OF RESTING WAS

SITTING AND READING OR

WATCHING TV OR SOMETHING.

BECAUSE THE ONLY TIME IT

DIDN'T HURT WAS WHEN I WAS

SITTING.

Wendy: ONE DAY WHILE

RESTING, FAY WAS WATCHING

"THE 700 CLUB," WHEN GARD

STARTED PRAYING.

Gordon: LORD, WE JUST

COME TO YOU.

PEOPLE WITH JOINT ISSUES,

NOT JUST THE KNEES, BUT

THE RIGHT HIP, RIGHT KNEE,

SEVERAL JOINT ISSUES BEING

HEALED RIGHT NOW.

WHAT YOU COULDN'T DO

BEFORE, YOU COULDN'T MOVE

IT WITHOUT PAIN, AND GOD

IS HEALING IT RIGHT NOW.

AND I THOUGHT, I WONDER

IF THAT'S ME?

AND I SAID, I'LL TRY.

COULD THAT BE ME THAT

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT?

IF IT IS, YES, I'LL TAKE

IT.

Wendy: AT THE MOMENT,

NOTHING CHANGED.

BUT SEVERAL DAYS LATER,

FAY NOTICED SOMETHING

DIFFERENT WHILE TALKING

WITH HER HUSBAND.

I SAID, YOU KNOW THAT

PAIN IN MY HIP, IT'S GONE.

AND HE SAID, WHAT DID YOU

DO?

AND I SAID, THIS MAY SOUND

A LITTLE HOKEY, BUT I WAS

WATCHING "THE 700 CLUB."

AND I TOUCHED THE PLACE

WHERE THEY TOLD ME TO

TOUCH.

AND IT HAS NOT COME BACK.

Wendy: NOW FAY

CONTINUES HER ACTIVE

LIFESTYLE WITH NO PAIN.

IT'S WONDERFUL NOT TO

HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE

PAIN AND ADJUSTING FOR THE

PAIN.

IT WAS LIKE A GIFT.

SO I FELT LIKE THAT WAS

REALLY SPECIAL, THAT IT

JUST CAME FROM GOD.

YOU KNOW, MEANT TO BE.

Andrew: WE REJOICE IN

FAY'S STORY OF HEALING.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE

FACING TODAY.

THERE ARE SO MANY WATCHING

THIS SHOW NOW THAT HAVE

NEEDS, PHYSICAL NEEDS.

SOME ARE JUST TERRIFIED OF

LIFE, AND EACH AND EVERY

DAY WHAT THEY HAVE TO

FACE.

SOME ARE PRAYING FOR

FAMILY MEMBERS.

WHATEVER YOUR NEED IS NOW,

LET'S BRING IT BEFORE THE

LORD.

HE CARES.

HE HEARS OUR PRAYERS.

AND IT IS MY PRIVILEGE TO

PRAY FOR YOU AND WHAT YOUR

NEEDS ARE.

FATHER GOD, WE CRY OUT TO

YOU TODAY.

YOU KNOW MY CONDITION, YOU

KNOW MY NEEDS.

FATHER GOD, YOU KNOW WHERE

I'M STRUGGLING.

HEAVENLY FATHER, I PRAY

FOR THOSE WITH PHYSICAL

NEEDS, WITH CONDITIONS

THAT NEED HEALING.

AS THEY CRY OUT TO YOU,

FATHER, WE CONSIDER YOUR

PROMISE THAT YOU WILL

NEVER LEAVE US NOR FORSAKE

US.

JESUS, WE KNOW YOU ARE A

GOOD SHEPHERD, AND WE COME

TO YOU NOW.

WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK

ON THE CROSS, FOR OUR

SALVATION.

AND WE ALSO SEE THAT

BLOODSHED FOR US, FATHER

GOD, IN OUR NEED FOR

PHYSICAL HEALING.

JESUS, I JUST PRAY YOU

WILL TOUCH THOSE IN NEED

OF HEALING NOW.

FATHER GOD, FOR THOSE

PRAYING WITH ME, WHO ARE

PRAYING FOR LOVED ONES,

FOR HUSBANDS AND WIVES,

FOR CHILDREN, FOR FAMILY

MEMBERS WHO ARE STRUGGLING

WITH DISEASE.

WE REBUKE DISEASE.

WE REBUKE CANCER IN JESUS'

NAME.

FATHER, FOR THAT ONE

PRAYING FOR THEIR MARRIAGE

RIGHT NOW, FOR

RECONCILIATION AND FOR

PEACE, WE ASK YOU TO BLESS

MARRIAGES IN THE NAME OF

JESUS.

AND, FATHER, FOR THOSE

STRUGGLING WITH ANXIOUS ANXIETY

AND FEAR THAT CAN CRIPPLE

THEM, LORD, GOD, WE

EMBRACE YOUR PROMPT PROMISE TO

FEAR NOT AND BE ANXIOUS

FOR NOTHING.

YOU TOLD US THERE WOULD BE

TROUBLE, BUT, TAKE HEART,

YOU HAVE OVERCOME THE

WORLD.

FATHER GOD, WE THANK YOU

FOR YOUR HOLY SPIRIT'S

PRESENCE IN OUR LIVES.

AND IT IS IN JESUS' NAME

WE PRAY.

AMEN.

AND AMEN.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO TALK

TO SOMEONE IN PRAY, CALL

US: 1-800-700-7000.

"THE LORD IS NOT SLOW TO

FULFILL HIS PROMISE, AS

SOME COUNT SLOWNESS, BUT

IS PATIENT TOWARDS YOU,

NOT WISHING THAT ANY

SHOULD PERISH, BUT THAT

ALL SHOULD REACH

REPENTANCE."

GOD BLESS YOU.

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