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700 Club Interactive - May 31, 2018

Pastor and worship leader, William McDowell shares how God is moving through revival and miracles and how we can stop waiting for revival and start seizing it. Read Transcript


I FELT LIKE GOD WAS

SAYING, WHY DON'T YOU DO

SOMETHING?

Gordon: A PASTOR

REACHES OUTSIDE THE WAWLSZ THE WALLS

OF HIS CHURCH.

GOD DIDN'T JUST CALL US

TO COME TO CHURCH, BUT TO

BE THE CHURCH AND LOVE THE

COMMUNITY.

WE SHOW UP, AND THEY COME

RUNNING TO RECEIVE A GOOD

DINNER.

WE AVERAGE PROBABLY

BETWEEN 100 AND 300 PEOPLE

AT A TIME.

Gordon: SEE HOW HE

SPREADS A LITTLE HOLIDAY

CHEER YEAR-ROUND.

> PLUS...PASTOR AND

WORSHIP LEADER WILLIAM

McDOWELL SHOWS HOW GOD

IS MOVING THROUGH REVIVAL

AND MIRACLES, ALL ON

TODAY'S "700 CLUB

INTERACTIVE."

> WELL, WELCOME TO THE

SHOW.

HERE IS EFREM GRAHAM WITH

THIS WEEK'S TOP FIVE

STORIES FROM "STUDIO 5."

Efrem: AT NUMBER

FIVE...

* I WON'T LET GO

* UNTIL YOU BLESS MY

SOUL *

Efrem: BEST WISHES TO

RECORDING ARTIST BRIANNA

AVENO.

I PROPOSED TO BRIANNA

IN A BAKERY.

Efrem: THEY ARE

GETTING MARRIED AND

THEY'RE SHARING A BIT OF

THEIR LOVE STORY WITH

THEIR FANS.

WE WENT TO ONE OF MY

FAVORITE DESSERT SHOPS,

AND I WAS LOOKING THROUGH

THE DISPLAY, AND ON ONE OF

THE CAKES WAS, "WILL YOU

MARIE ME, BRI?"

AND IT WAS THE MOST

THOUGHTFUL THING HE COULD

HAVE EVER DONE FOR ME.

Efrem: A "STUDIO 5"

SIDE NOTE: BRI WAS DUBBED

THE JUSTIN BIEBER OF

GOSPEL MUSIC AFTER BEING

DISCOVERED ON YouTube.

SHE CAN NOW COUNT THE

BIEBS AS ONE OF HER MUSIC

FANS.

SHE JUST WROTE ON

INSTAGRAM: "WOW, WOW,

WOW."

> AT NUMBER FOUR...IT

SOUNDS LIKE A PAGE RIPPED

FROM THE COMIC BOOKS.

*

WHOO-HOO!

Efrem: THAT'S THE

MOVIE, BUT THIS IS REALITY

IN PARIS.

AN IMMIGRANT FROM MALI

IS BEING CALLED A REAL

LIFE SPIDERMAN AFTER HE

RESCUED A CHILD DANGLING

FROM A BALCONY.

LOOK AT THIS.

YOU CAN SEE HIM SCALING

FOUR FLOORS, PULLING

HIMSELF UP FROM BALCONY TO

BALCONY, UNTIL HE MAKES IT

TO THE 4-YEAR-OLD AND

PULLS HIM TO SAFETY FROM

MID AIR.

Efrem: THE

22-YEAR-OLD ARRIVED FROM

MALI TO PARIS JUST A FEW

MONTHS AGO, AND HE SAID

GOD HELPED HIM TO SAVE THE

BABY.

HE MET THE FRENCH

PRESIDENT THIS WEEK AND HE

WAS AWARDED FRENCH

CITIZENSHIP AND A JOB.

I RAN, AND THANK GOD I

SCALED THE FRONT OF THE

BUILDING TO THAT CHILD.

Efrem: AT NUMBER

THREE...THE KLOVE FAN

AWARDS ARE OUT.

NOW IT IS TIME FOR THE

FEMALE NOMINATIONS.

THE NOMINEES: JASMINE

MURRAY, LAUREN -- THEY

DIDN'T PUT HER LAST NAME.

A WOMAN WHO NEEDS NO LAST

A NAME.

AND MAN MANDISA.

Efrem: AND THE WINNER

IS...

* LETTING GO OF

EVERYTHING *

Efrem:

CONGRATULATIONS TO

MANDISA.

> AT NUMBER TWO...

JUST BRINGING THE BEST

OUT OF US.

Efrem: IT IS KEVIN

DURANT AND SETH CURRY,

HELPING TO LEAD THE GOLDEN

STATE WARRIORS AGAINST THE

CLEVELAND CAVALIERS.

I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO

TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THIS

OPPORTUNITY.

OPPORTUNITY.

Efrem: I IT CAME DOWN

TO GAME SEVEN.

THEY SAID TWO BASEBALL

CAN FIT INSIDE THE HOOP AT

ONE TIME, AND EVENTUALLY

THEY KEPT SHOOTING THE

SAME SHOTS AND THEY GO IN.

I SOUND LIKE A BROKEN

RECORD, BUT I NEVER LOSE

CONFIDENCE IN MYSELF.

I ALMOST HAVE A SENSE OF,

LIKE, AMNESIA.

IF YOU HAVE A SHOT, TAKE

IT.

Efrem: AT NUMBER

ONE...

HELPING PEOPLE SEE EACH

OTHER FULLY, COMPLETELY,

RESPECTFULLY.

Efrem: RAPPER COMMON

LYNCHED HIS VOICE TO THE

UNBIAS TRAINING VIDEO AND

CURRICULUM THAT STARBUCKS'

EMPLOYEES SAW THIS WEEK.

THE EVENTS IN

PHILADELPHIA PROMPTED US

TO BRING 8,000 STORES

TOGETHER ON MARCH 29th,

BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHO WE

ASPIRE TO BE.

IT IS NOT JUST A BLACK

THING; IT'S A PEOPLE

THING.

WE WANT TO SEE FULL

CHANGE.

WE REALIZE FOUR HOURS

OF TRAINING IS NOT GOING

TO RESOLVE RACIAL INEQUITY

IN AMERICA, BUT WE HAVE TO

START THE CONVERSATION.

WE'VE ALSO SAID THAT WE

ARE DEEPLY COMMITTED TO

JUSTHIS BEING A LONG-TERM

JOURNEY IN WHICH WE'RE

GOING TO INTEGRATE THIS

TRAINING NOT ONLY IN EVERY

STARBUCKS' STORE, BUT IN

THE ONBOARDING OF 100,000

NEW PEOPLE A YEAR.

Gordon: EFREM IS

HERE, AND WE'RE GOING TO

TALK ABOUT RACIAL

RECONCILIATION.

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT

STARBUCKS CLOSING?

Efrem: I THINK IT IS

A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE IT AT

LEAST GOT THE COUNTRY

TALKING FROM THE MOMENT

THAT INCIDENT TRANSPIRED.

PEOPLE SAID, IS FOUR HOURS

GOING TO SOLVE ANYTHING?

IT WAS THE FACT THAT THEY

TOOK ACTION.

THEY LOST MILLIONS OF

DOLLARS IN COFFEE SALES,

BUT THEY FELT IT WAS THAT

IMPORTANT.

IT WAS GOOD TO SEE.

I'VE WATCHED, FOLLOWING

THAT CLOSING, JUST

PEOPLE'S REACTIONS AND

THEIR EMPLOYEES' RESPONSE

TO WHAT THEY SAW.

AND MANY OF THEM SAYING, I

HAD NO IDEA WHAT MY

COLLEAGUE WAS GOING

THROUGH.

I'M SORRY I WAS BLIND TO

IT.

I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS

THEIR EXPERIENCE.

IT WAS EYE-OPENING FOR

THEM.

AND IT DEFINITELY STARTED

A CONVERSATION, A DIALOGUE

AMONG THEM, AND THIS IS

GOING TO BE A PART OF

STARBUCKS' REGULAR

TRAINING AS THEY BRING IN

THOUSANDS OF NEW

EMPLOYEES.

THIS IS NOW PART OF WHAT

THEY'RE GOING TO BE

TRAINING AND TEACHING

THEIR EMPLOYEES.

AND TO HAVE THAT

CONVERSATION, IT HAS GOT

TO BE A GOOD THING.

WE SAW THE CONVERSATION IN

OUR COUNTRY GO FROM

STARBUCKS CLOSING FOR FOUR

HOURS TO ABC CANCELLING A

SHOW BECAUSE ITS STAR,

ROSANNE BARR, ISSUED A

RACIST ISSUE.

Gordon: YOU KEEP

SAYING THE WORD

"CONVERSATION."

WHY IS IT SO IMPORTANT TO

HAVE THE CONVERSATION?

Efrem: BECAUSE IF WE

DON'T TALK TO EACH OTHER,

YOU NEVER TRULY UNDERSTAND

THE OTHER PERSON'S

EXPERIENCE.

I CAN THINK OF PEOPLE IN

MY OWN LIFE, AND MY

FAMILY'S LIFE AND FRIENDS,

AND THEY DON'T MEAN ANY

HARM.

THEY DON'T EVEN REALIZE

WHAT THEY SAID COULD BE

VIEWED AS OFFENSIVE.

I'LL GIVE YOU ONE EXAMPLE.

I'M A JOURNALIST.

I'M ON TELEVISION.

I TALK FOR A LIVING.

SO I'M SITTING IN A MIXED

COMPANY AT MY DINING

TABLE, AND SOMEONE SAID TO

ME, YOU'RE SO ARTICULATE.

AND I WAS, LIKE, THAT'S

REALLY NOT A COMPLIMENTS.

AND THEY'RE LOOK, WHAT DO

YOU MEAN?

AND I SAY, ANY OTHER

PERSON YOU WOULDN'T LIKELY

SAY THAT TO BECAUSE WHAT

DO I DO FOR A LIVING.

IT WOULD BE LIKE SAYING TO

A DOCTOR, YOU'RE GOOD AT

MEDICINE.

THAT'S MY JOB.

SOMEBODY COULD VIEW THAT

AS OFFENSIVE BECAUSE WHY

WOULD YOU SAY THAT TO ME?

YOU WOULDN'T EXPECT IT OF

ANYBODY ELSE'S?

Gordon: DO YOU GET

THAT A LOT?

Efrem: I DO.

Gordon: THAT PEOPLE

ARE SURPRISED?

Efrem: YES, THAT I

WOULD FIND THAT THAT IS

NOT A COMPLIMENT, THAT YOU

WOULD SAY I'M ARTICULATE.

Gordon: THEY MEANT IT

AS A COMPLIMENT --

Efrem: THEY MEANT IT

AS A COMPLIMENT, BUT THEY

DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT

UNDERNEATH THAT IS AN

UNDERLYING ASSUMPTION.

ASSUMPTION,

THAT YOU'RE NOT

ARTICULATE, AND WHEN YOU

ARE, IT'S LIKE WAIT A

MINUTE.

Efrem: YEAH.

Gordon: DOES THIS

REINFORCE THAT OUR

PERCEPTIONS ARE FLAWED?

Efrem: ABSOLUTELY.

THEY VERY MUCH ARE.

AND WE ALL HAVE SHORTCUTS.

I KNOW WE LIKE TO MAKE A

QUICK ASSESSMENT ABOUT

SOMEONE, BUT TO REALLY

FULLY UNDERSTAND SOMEONE,

YOU HAVE TO DO MORE THAN

JUST MAKE THAT QUICK

ASSESSMENT.

WE ALL DO IT.

I REMEMBER WHEN I TAUGHT

JOURNALISM, I SAID, I

DON'T BELIEVE ANYONE IS

OBJECTIVE.

AND THEY LOOKED AT ME,

LIKE, HUH?

BUT EVERYONE HAS A BIAS.

WE'RE ALL IN THIS WORLD.

Gordon: SO FIGURE OUT

YOUR BIAS --

Efrem: YES.

Gordon: AND THERE IS

A WHAT IS SURROUNDING YOU

CULTURALLY BIAS, BUT TRY

TO TELL THAT TO NEW YORK?

[LAUGHTER]

Gordon: IN THE CITY

OF ENLIGHTENMENT, WE HAVE

EVERYTHING, AND THEY DON'T

REALIZE --

Efrem: WE'VE ALL GOT

IT.

Gordon: -- THEY HAVE

A BIAS AGAINST NEW JERSEY.

DO YOU THINK ROSANNE, WHEN

SHE MADE THAT TWEETS, THAT

SHE THINKS SHE IS A

RACIST?

Efrem: I DON'T THINK

SHE THINKS SHE IS A

RACIST.

I DON'T THINK SHE THOUGHT

THAT WHEN SHE TWEETED

THAT.

SHE NOW BLAMES IT ON A

SLEEPING DRUG THAT SHE

SAYS SHE HAD TAKEN.

SHE HAD TAKEN AMBIEN, AND

THAT'S WHAT ALLOWED IT TO

COME OUT.

Gordon: I'LL QUOTE AN

OLD LATIN PHRASE: WINE

MAKES YOU HONEST, AND WHAT

COMES OUT WHEN YOU'RE

IMPAIRED IS ACTUALLY

TRUTH.

Efrem: I BELIEVE

THERE IS SOME LEVEL OF

TRUTH TO WHAT SHE SAID,

AND MY HEARTACHES THAT SHE

WOULD EVEN THINK THAT IN A

DRUNKEN STATE, IN A

DRUG-INDUCED STATE.

THERE IS AN ISSUE.

THERE IS A PROBLEM.

Gordon: DO WE HAVE TO

GET A NEW DEFINITION OF

RACISM?

WE'VE GONE FROM JUST 50

YEARS AGO, 70 YEARS AGO,

LYNCHINGS, THE JIM CROWE

LAWS, THE SEGREGATION

LAWS -- ALL OF THOSE BEING

DRAMATICALLY REINFORCED

AND ENFORCED BY

GOVERNMENT, BY THE POLICE.

AND SO IN OUR MINDS, DO WE

THINK OF THAT AS RACISM

WHEN A TWEET, YOU KNOW --

DO WE NEED TO ADJUST OUR

FIELD --

Efrem: I THINK WE DO

BECAUSE IF WE DON'T, IT'S

EASY FOR SOMEONE THEN TO

SAY, I'M NOT A RACIST, I

DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM

BECAUSE I'M NOT SENDING A

TWEET LIKE THAT.

I'M NOT --

Gordon: I'M NOT

SURPRISED YOU'RE NOT.

Efrem: I'M NOT

SURPRISED.

BUT WE DO, TO REALLY

ADJUST WITH WHERE WE ARE

RIGHT NOW IN THIS

CONVERSATION.

Gordon: HERE IS

SOMETHING I'M NOT HEARING,

BUT I KNOW VIRGINIA

HISTORY, AND 1619 WAS

CALLED THE RED LETTER YEAR

FOR TWO REASONS: ONE,

WOMEN FINALLY CAME, AND,

TWO, SLAVES CAME.

IT WAS THE FIRST ENTRY OF

SLAVES INTO THE UNITED

STATES.

DO YOU THINK, AS PART OF

THE CONVERSATION, WE NEED

TO RECOGNIZE 400 YEARS OF

OPPRESSION?

THE SLAVES STILL NEED TO

BE FREED?

Efrem: ABSOLUTELY.

Gordon: SHOULD WE

EXPECT THAT 400-YEAR

HISTORY TO CHANGE WITH A

FOUR-HOUR SESSION AT

STARBUCKS?

WHAT'S GOING TO BE NEEDED

TO TRULY CHANGE AS A

CULTURE?

Efrem: CONTINUING TO

TALK, FOR SURE.

AND I DO THINK THAT IF WE

WERE TO ALTER THE

DEFINITION OF WHAT IT IS,

THAT IS CERTAINLY

IMPORTANT.

BUT TO UNDERSTAND THAT

WE'RE NOT GOING TO ERASE

ALL THESE YEARS OF

OPPRESSION IN A MATTER OF

HOURS.

BUT, ALSO, MY GRANDMOTHER,

99, WOULD SAY TO ME, AND

SAY WITH OTHERS, THIS IS

STILL A SPIRITUAL BATTLE.

THIS IS STILL A SPIRITUAL

BATTLE.

AND WE KEEP FAILING TO

RECOGNIZE THAT IT IS EVEN

DEEPER THAN JUST WHAT YOU

CAN SEE.

AND I THINK WE'VE GOT TO

RECOGNIZE THAT, ALSO, THAT

THIS ISN'T JUST A PHYSICAL

BATTLE OR FACE-TO-FACE

FIGHT.

IT IS A SPIRITUAL BATTLE

THAT WE'VE GOT TO DEAL

WITH.

Gordon: AND I'VE BEEN

PRIVILEGED WITH A LOT OF

TRAVEL, SO I'VE SEEN

RACISM IN OTHER CULTURES,

AND WHETHER THAT IS CHINA

OR INDIA OR PHILIPPINES OR

INDONESIA, AND IT GETS

VERY DEEP.

AND IT IS REGARDLESS OF

CULTURE.

IT IS REGARDLESS OF

SLAVERY.

IT IS VERY DEEP, THAT WE

WANT TO MAKE US VERSUS

THEM.

WE WANT TO DIVIDE ON

ISSUES LIKE EYE COLOR AND

DIFFERENT KINDS OF HAIR,

DIFFERENT LANGUAGES.

AND WE WANT TO EITHER

CONSIDER OURSELVES

SUPERIOR, OR THE OTHER,

THAT IT REINFORCES, WELL,

I'M REALLY INFERIOR.

THERE ARE TWO SIDES TO IT.

IT JUST SEEMS TO BE

SOMETHING THAT IS A

SPIRITUAL BATTLE.

AND ONLY -- IT IS ONE OF

THE GREATEST LIBERATING

STATEMENTS EVERY MADE.

THE APOSTLE PAUL SAID:

"IN CHRIST THERE IS

NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK,

MALE NOR FEMALE."

FLAVOR-FREE, AND WE'RE ALL

ONE.

THAT IS SOMETHING I'M NOT

SURE WE'RE EVER GOING TO

REALLY GET A CLEAR PICTURE

OF UNTIL WE'RE BEFORE THAT

THRONE.

AND IT WILL BE EVERY

NATION, EVERY TRIBE, ALL

TOGETHER WORSHIPPING.

Efrem: ABSOLUTELY.

AMEN.

Gordon: WELL, HE'S

GOT SOME ENTERTAINMENT

NEWS ON THE WEEKLY SHOW,

BUT IF YOU WANT TO KNOW

MORE ABOUT EFREM'S

OPINIONS, YOU CAN GO TO

"STUDIO 5," AND YOU CAN

WATCH IT AT

cbn.com/studio5.

SEND YOUR TWEETS TO EFREM.

> COMING UP, AN ALABAMA

CHURCH IS SERVING UP HOPE.

YOU'LL HEAR A NAME

WHEREVER YOU GO, AND YOU

NEED TO TRY TO FILL THAT.

Gordon: SEE HOW THEY

FILL THOSE NEEDS WITH THE

HELP OF AN OLD BEAT-UP

TRUCK.

Gordon: WHEN PASTOR

THOMAS MARTIN SAW AN OLD

SALVATION ARMY FOOD TRUCK

FOR SALE, HE SAW A NEW WAY

TO SERVE HOPE TO THE LOCAL

COMMUNITY.

Reporter: LIKE ANY

GOOD PASTOR, THOMAS MARTIN

HAS A HEART FOR HIS

COMMUNITY.

ONE WAY OR ANOTHER,

WE'LL COME GET YOU ON

SUNDAY MORNING.

Reporter: AND IT IS

SOMETHING HE SHARES WITH

HIS CHURCH.

WE JUST WANT TO BLESS

YOUR COMMUNITY WITH DINNER

TONIGHT.

Reporter: FROM YARD

WORK TO MINOR MAINTENANCE,

HE AND HIS CHURCH ARE

ALWAYS LOOKING FOR WAYS TO

SERVE.

GOD DIDN'T JUST CALL US

TO COME TO CHURCH, BUT TO

BE A CHURCH TO THE

COMMUNITY.

AND A PART OF WHAT GOD HAS

GIVEN TO US IS THE FOOD

TRUCK MINISTRY WE FOUND

OURSELVES IN NOW.

Reporter: A FOOD

TRUCK.

IT STARTED WHEN A FRIEND

TOLD PASTOR MARTIN ABOUT

AN OLD, RUSTY FOOD TRUCK

HE WAS SELLING.

IT WAS PRETTY ROUGH.

Reporter: BUT A NEW

WAY TO FEED A COMMUNITY

WAS BORN.

AND IT WAS, LIKE, GOD

SAID, THOMAS, WHY DON'T

YOU DO SOMETHING?

I COULD FEEL THE HOLY

SPIRIT WAS LEADING ME AND

GUIDING ME AND SAYING THIS

IS RIGHT.

Reporter: HIS LITTLE

CHURCH RAISED $15 ,000 IN

ONE WEEK, ENOUGH TO BUY

AND FIX THE TRUCK.

THE TRUCK IS AWESOME.

IT HAS A SIX-BURNER STOVE

AND A COMMERCIAL OVEN, AND

WE GO OUT AND THEY SHOW UP

TO RECEIVE A GOOD DINNER.

WE AVERAGE 100 TO 300

DINNERS AT A TIME.

Reporter: HE PLANS ON

RENOVATING PART OF THEIR

NEW CHURCH, A RECENTLY

PURCHASED 60-YEAR-OLD

WAREHOUSE.

WE NEED A BIG

COMMERCIAL KITCHEN AND

PREP AREA, THAT WE CAN FIX

BULK FOOD, PUT IT IN THE

WARMER DRAWERS ON OUR FOOD

TRUCK AND THEN SERVE HOT

FOOD IN OUR COMMUNITY, ONE

PLATE AT A TIME FOR THE

PEOPLE.

WE HAVE THE HEART TO OPEN

UP A TRUE SOUP KITCHEN, TO

SERVE FOOD STRAIGHT OUT OF

THE CHURCH AS AN EXTENSION

OF WHAT WE DO.

OUR HEART IS TO BE ABLE TO

FEED AND LOVE THIS

COMMUNITY.

IT IS A PLEASURE TO US

TO HAVE Y'ALL COME.

IT'S JUST WONDERFUL,

AND WE LOVE IT.

THANK YOU.

Reporter: AND THE

FOOD TRUCK HAD AN

UNEXPECTED EFFECT.

AS WE BEGAN TO SERVE

AND DO THIS MINISTRY,

OTHER CHURCHES IN OUR AREA

HAVE STEPPED UP AND SAID,

HEY, WE CAN HELP YOU WITH

THIS.

I LOVE THE CONCEPT OF

GOING OUT, REACHING OUT IN

THE COMMUNITY WITH OTHER

CHURCHES, AND TEAMING UP

WITH THEM TO DO MINISTRY.

IF YOU LISTEN, YOU'LL

HEAR A NAME WHEREVER YOU

GO.

AND YOU NEED TO FILL THAT.

WE NEED TO HELP OUR

FELLOW MAN.

THERE ARE A LOT OF

PEOPLE, NOT ONLY IN

JASPER, ALABAMA, BUT ALL

OVER THE PLACE THAT ARE

LIVING A LIFE THAT TRULY

IS HOPE-DEFERRED.

THEY REALLY CAN'T SEE THAT

TOMORROW WILL BE A BETTER

DAY.

I CAN TELL YOU FOR SURE

WHEN THAT TRUCK PULLS UP

INTO AN AREA WHERE SOME

PEOPLE ARE REALLY NEEDY,

AND WE FLIP DOWN THAT

COUNTER, AND THE SMELLS OF

HOT FOOD BEGIN TO GO OUT

THOSE WINDOWS, I BELIEVE

THAT SOMEHOW WE'RE MAKING

THEM UNDERSTAND THAT THERE

IS HOPE FOR ME.

SOMEONE LOVES ME.

SOMEONE SAW ME.

SOMEONE WAS WILLING TO

DRIVE UP HERE AND PULL UP

THIS TRUCK IN MY DRIVEWAY

AND SHOW THE LOVE OF

CHRIST TO ME.

Reporter: SERVING UP

CHRIST'S LOVE TO JASPER,

WITH A SIDE OF HOPE.

Gordon: THAT IS A

WONDERFUL THING.

AND WHAT A WONDERFUL

LESSON: BE THE CHURCH.

DON'T THINK THE CHURCH IS

SOME BUILDING.

IT'S YOU.

> WELL, YOU CAN FIND OUT

MORE ABOUT THE FOOD TRUCK

BY GOING TO

LOWESANDFISHFOODTRUCK.COM.

> COMING UP, PASTOR AND

WORSHIP LEADER WILLIAM

Gordon: WELL, FOR THE

PAST TWO YEARS, PEOPLE

HAVE FLOCKED TO DEEPER

FELLOWSHIP CHURCH IN

ORLANDO, FLORIDA.

OFTEN STANDING IN LINE

OUTSIDE JUST TO GET IN THE

DOOR.

ALL BECAUSE, AS PASTOR

WILLIAM McDOWELL SAYS,

IT'S HAPPENING.

TAKE A LOOK.

Reporter: WILLIAM

McDOWELL IS A WORLD

REKNOWED WORSHIP LEADER.

SINCE MAY OF 2016, HIS

CHURCH HAS BEEN

EXPERIENCING A TREMENDOUS

MOVE OF GOD.

MIRACLES ARE BEING

WITNESSED, AND GOD'S

PRESENCE IS BEING FELT.

HE SAYS REVIVAL IS NOT A

THING OF THE PAST.

IT'S A REALITY.

IN HIS BOOK, "IT'S

HAPPENING," S WILLIAM,"

HAPPENING,HAPPENING," WILLIAM OFFERS

WAYS WE CAN HAVE A DEEPER

FELLOWSHIP WITH GOD AND

ONE ANOTHER.

Gordon: JOINING ME

NOW IS PASTOR AND

GRAMMY-NOMINATED WORSHIP

LEADER WILLIAM McDOWELL.

IT IS A PLEASURE TO HAVE

YOU HERE.

IT IS A PLEASURE TO BE

HERE.

I'M HONORED.

Gordon: GOD HAD TO

REALLY TWIST YOUR ARM TO

GET YOU TO BE A PASTOR?

HE REALLY DID.

I ALMOST SAY HE

EMBARRASSED ME INTO IT.

I WAS ACTUALLY SITTING IN

A CONFERENCE WHEN THE LORD

SAID TO ME, WHY ARE YOU

IGNORING ME?

AND I RESPONDED, I'M NOT.

AND HE SAID AGAIN, WHY ARE

YOU IGNORING ME?

AND I SAID I'M NOT.

AND THEN THE PERSON

SITTING NEXT TO ME SAID, I

KNOW THIS MAY SOUND LIKE A

WEIRD QUESTION, BUT THE

LORD IS ASKING, WHY ARE

YOU IGNORE HIM?

Gordon: WHAT WERE YOU

IGNORING?

I DID NOT THINK THE

LORD WAS CALLING ME TO

PASTOR A LEAD CHURCH.

Gordon: WHY?

THE LORD WAS USING ME

IN THE AREA OF WORSHIP,

AND I TRAVELLED TO NEARLY

50 COUNTRIES, LEADING

WORSHIP AROUND THE WORLD.

I WAS REALLY COMFORTABLE.

THE LORD WAS NOT GOING TO

ALLOW ME TO STAY IN

COMFORT.

WHEN WE SAY, OUR LIFE

DOESN'T BELONG TO US, HE

MEANS THAT.

IT TAKES THAT SERIOUSLY.

Gordon: DID YOU HAVE

A VISION OF YOURSELF THAT

WERE YOU A SUPPORT PERSON

OR A LEAD PERSON?

INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, I

THINK I FOUGHT ANY IDEA OF

LEAD PERSON.

THE LORD HAS SHOWN ME

QUITE SOME TIME AGO SOME

THINGS HE WANTED ME TO DO,

BUT I KIND OF RESISTED

THAT PORTION OF WHAT I

SAW.

I WAS THINKING THAT I

WASN'T GOING TO BE THAT.

ULTIMATELY, IF I LOOK BACK

OVER THE ARK OF MY LIFE, I

KNEW THAT THERE WAS A PART

OF ME THAT JUST DIDN'T

WANT TO.

Gordon: I THINK YOUR

STORY ACTUALLY HAS A

UNIVERSAL FEELING.

I THINK GOD CALLS A LOT OF

PEOPLE, AND A LOT OF

PEOPLE KIND OF IGNORE THAT

OR PUSH IT AWAY.

SURE.

Gordon: GOD HAD TO

GET REAL PERSISTENT WITH

YOU?

HE DID.

AND I'M GRATEFUL HE DID.

THE THING ABOUT WHEN YOU

SAY -- WHEN YOU'RE TALKING

ABOUT OBEDIENCE AND PEOPLE

SAY NO -- YEARS AGO I HAD

A DREAM, BEFORE THE LORD

STARTED USING ME THE WAY

HE IS NOW, I SAW THE SAME

SERVICE TWICE.

I WENT THROUGH THE WHOLE

SERVICE.

IT LOOKED LIKE GOD WAS

MOVING, AND I REMEMBER

COMING OFF OF THE PLATFORM

IN THAT SERVICE AND MY

DREAM SAYING, WOW, THAT

WAS ABSOLUTELY AMAZING.

AND THE LORD SAID, NOW,

LET ME GO BACK AND SHOW

YOU WHAT WOULD HAVE

HAPPENED HAD YOU SAID

FULLY YES.

AND THE SECOND PART OF THE

DREAM WAS FAR GREATER THAN

THE FIRST PART OF THE

DREAM.

AND THAT CAUSED ME TO KNOW

THERE ARE LEVELS OF

RESISTANCE THAT PEOPLE

HAVE.

Gordon: I'VE ACTUALLY

BEEN IN SERVICES WHERE I

KNOW THERE IS SO MUCH

MORE, BUT FOR WHATEVER

REASON LIMIT START TO

HAPPEN, AND YOU WALK AWAY

A LITTLE FRUSTRATED.

THERE S IS A LEVEL OF

SURRENDER THAT NEEDS TO

TAKE PLACE.

AND THAT SURRENDER

RELINGUISHES CONTROL.

AND WE SEE LIMITS AND WHAT

HE WANT TO DO, THAT LEVEL

OF SURRENDER THAT NEEDS TO

TAKE PLACE.

THE SCRIPTURE TALKS ABOUT

THE SAME SPIRIT THAT

RAISED LIFE FROM THE

DEAD -- THAT MEANS IN

ORDER FOR HIM TO SEE THE

THINGS HE HAS SEEN, HE HAD

TO SURRENDER.

THERE IS A LEVEL OF

SURRENDER THAT EVER PERSON

HAS TO HAVE OTHERWISE WE

BECOME THE LIMITED OR THE

LIMITER.

Gordon: AND YOU'RE

YIELDED?

I CAN JUST TELL THAT IN

YOU.

YOU'RE YIELDED.

YES, SIR.

Gordon: SOMETIMES I

THINK THE REASON LEADERS

OF CHURCHES TRY TO BRING

THINGS UNDER CONTROL IS

BECAUSE THEY'RE AFRAID,

AND AFRAID IT IS GOING TO

GET UNRULY.

ABSOLUTELY.

Gordon: WHAT WOULD

YOU TELL THEM?

REVIVAL IS MESSY.

[LAUGHTER]

THERE SA FRIEN IS A FRIENDS FRIEND OF

MINE WHO SAYS, YOU CAN

EITHER HAVE YOUR DIGNITY

OR YOUR SURRENDER, BUT YOU

CAN'T HAVE BOTH AT THE

SAME TIME.

IF WE'RE IN CONTROL OF

EVERY ASPECT OF THE

SERVICE, THAT MEANS HE IS

NOT.

SO THERE HAS TO BE A

YIELDING OF SOME KIND.

WHEN YOU SEE THIS IN

SCRIPTURES OF THOSE WHO

RECEIVED A MIRACULOUS

HEALING, THE MAN WHO CRIED

OUT, DESPITE THE PEOPLE

TELLING HIM TO BE QUIET,

OR THE WOMAN WHO DIDN'T

TAKE NO AS AN ANSWER -- OR

YOU LOOK AT ALL OF THESE

DIFFERENT THINGS, OR THE

MAN THAT JESUS SPIT ON THE

GROUND AND CREATED MUD TO

CREATE EYES FOR, WHA FOR -- WHAT

YOU SEE IS THESE ARE NOT

CONTROLLABLE PACKAGES, BUT

THEY'RE MOMENTS OF

INTERRUPTION.

AND IF WE'RE GOING TO SEE

A DIVINE INTERRUPTION,

THERE HAS TO BE A

DESPERATION THAT PUSHES

PAST OUR COMFORT ZONE, AND

PUSHES PAST WHERE WE

NORMALLY LIKE TO STOP.

AND WHEN WE BECOME

DESPERATE ENOUGH FOR HIM,

WE RELINQUISH ALL CONTROL

AND WE SEE HIM DO THINGS

EVEN IMAGINE.

Gordon: I THINK

PEOPLE GET VERY

COMFORTABLE WITH RITUAL.

AND SO THEY GO TO PERFORM

THE RITUAL AND FEEL GOOD

THAT THEY PERFORMED WHAT

THEY CONSIDER A DUTY.

AND INSTEAD OF HAVING AN

ENCOUNTER, THEY DO THE

RITUAL.

UH-HUH.

Gordon: HOW DO YOU

AVOID HAVING IT TURN INTO

RITUAL?

WELL, THERE ARE A FEW

THINGS WITH THAT.

THIS IS SO GREAT.

I'M ENJOYING THIS.

YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A FEW

THINGS THAT I THINK ARE

KEY.

IF YOU LOOK AT PSALM 50,

YOU SEE THIS INDICTMENT

THAT GOD HAS WHERE PEOPLE

ARE RITUALISTICLY GIVING

WORSHIP BECAUSE THAT'S

WHAT THEY THINK HE WANTS,

RATHER THAN ALLOWING IT TO

DO SOMETHING THAT IS TRUE

AND PURE FROM THE HEART.

HE IS NOT INTERESTED IN

RITUAL.

AND I THINK THAT ONCE WE

RECOGNIZE THAT'S NOT WHAT

HE'S INTERESTED IN, WE'LL

STOP OFFERING IT.

THAT'S KEY.

I THINK THE SECOND THING

IS, WHAT THE LORD IS DOING

IN THIS SEASON IS HE IS

STIRRING SOMETHING I CALL

RIGHTEOUS ENVY.

RIGHTEOUS ENEMY I ENVY IS WHEN

E DOES SOMETHING THROUGH

SOMEONE TO HAVE YOU CALL

OUT THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU

WANT.

AND GOD IS ALSO DOING

THIS, TOO -- IF YOU LOOK

AT PENIMA AND HANNA -- GOD

WANTED A PROPHET, AND

HANNA WANTED A SON THE.

Gordon: THERE SA LOT

MORE HERE.

THE BOOK IS CALLED "IT'S

HAPPENING: A GENERATION

IS CRYING OUT, HEAVEN'S

RESPONDED."

WILLIAM, THANK YOU FOR

BEING HERE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

Gordon: THANK YOU FOR

YOUR CHURCH.

GOD BLESS YOU.

WE'LL SEE YOU AGAIN

TOMORROW.

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