Bishop Joseph Walker discusses how he reaches the masses through social media, and how he grew his church from 175 to over 30,000 members.
- Well King Solomon wrote in Ecclesiastes
there's a time and season for everything.
And the rise in technologyand social media
over the past decade hasn'tchanged the word of God
but it has pastors allover the world considering
how to best use socialmedia to share the gospel.
Bishop Joseph Walker the Thirdhas been on the cutting edge
and is seeing the fruit of his labor.
- [Narrator] Five yearsago Bishop Joseph Walker
started using out of the box strategies
like digital media to helphis congregation grow.
Today he's known asthe social media pastor
with 33,000 church members
and more than 200,000people watching him online.
1/3 of his church's support comes
from these digital disciples.
In his book No Opportunity Wasted,
Bishop Walker shares howhe's taking advantage
of key opportunities.
- Now is the time you'vegot to embrace your season.
- [Narrator] And why timing is everything
in what he calls the season of now.
- Well, Bishop Walker joins us now,
welcome to 700 Club Interactive.
- Thank you, my honor to be here.
- Yeah, the book's phenomenal
and quickly I just wannahit the digital front.
You know, I think a lot of churches were
or perhaps pastors kicking and screaming
that I'm gonna have to reachpeople through social media,
digital as opposed to themjust coming in our building.
Did God give you a word toreally get on that early?
- Well, he did, you know, I think
when the scripture and kindof the great commission,
you know, going to the whole world, right?
And so now we have anopportunity to do it much quicker
and to do it easier.
And I think it's important for us
to utilize this incredible tool
that God has given tothe kingdom responsively
to be able to reach the world of Christ.
- One of the inspiringthings about your story
is there's so much fruitfrom your ministry.
Yet, you're a man who was not eager
to enter the ministry itself.- Right.
- Tell us about what God did.
- Yeah, I was on a trajectoryto go to law school.
I was an English major in college,
wanted to go to law school,
was accepted to several law schools
and the Lord called me to preach.
I said, no I went protested, like no,
and I realized that that'sactually a confirmation
that really is God becauseyou often reject it at first.
But when I moved intoit I began to realize
that's what purpose is.
- And that's a part of your book
where you just said there,
I mean, we kind of glossed over it quickly
but part of your purpose,you may fight it first,
talk about that.- Yes.
Yeah, you know, the naturalproclivity of our flesh
is to fight anything that's spiritual
and of course, everyonewanna do it our way
and the scripture says to leannot to our own understanding
and all of our ways acknowledgehim, he'll direct your path.
So, for me it was aboutgetting beyond my will
and saying God what isyour will for my life
and now I walk in purposeversus actually going to a job.
Which is completely different.
- And it may be hard forsome people to believe
that they were created to solve a problem.
- And you're convincedthat's one of the things
for our life.
- Absolutely, we're nothere to occupy space,
we're here to be goodstewards of the space
that God has given to us.
And God has put in us, Ithink all the things necessary
to answer certain problems in the earth.
And I think if we walk in thefull manifestation of that
we begin to see results in the earth.
- When we feel we havemay have a word from God,
that God's directing us to something,
you say there are threeways we can kind of observe
or evaluate if this is trulythe Lord, what are those?
- Right, well, I think it'simportant to understand
one about the timing that word comes.
God will always send you aword at the right time, right?
It's gonna be very importantthat you receive that word
at the right time, youhave to be prepared.
God will never give youa word outside of time.
He speaks to Joshua afterMoses is dead, timing.
Also, it's important tounderstand the harmony.
Harmony's important becausewhatever God gives us,
he doesn't give to us in silo,
he gives to us to work withothers in collaboration
and make that word come to pass.
Take these people over to Jordan,
it's a group effort.
Thirdly, it's not about you.
The word God gives you is larger than you,
it's about who God isgonna bless beyond you.
And that's what I believe is confirmation
that the word comes from God.
- He's using you, he's using us.
And it's interesting too,I was struck by a statement
in your book you said, thatGod's not interested in sharing
his glory with you.
- No, no, no, no cosmic plagiarism here.
- 'Cause, that kind of goesagainst some of the things
we hear in Christendom today- Right.
in the United States.- We do, yeah.
- But what does thatmean, he's not interested
in sharing his glory?
- We often, you know, we're in this day
of branding ourselves and allof this stuff but I think,
you know, that has it's place
but I think it's importantto understand that
we have to realize thatGod has to get the glory
out of all that we do.
We divest ourselves, moveourselves out of the equation.
One moment I have for God,but things are going well,
and I stood in the sanctuary and you know,
the church was growing, asa young preacher I said,
God, we're doing this right?
And God said you'reinsignificant to the process.
This is for my glory.
- [Interviewer] Right,that you are insignificant.
- [Joseph] I'm insignificantto the process.
- [Interviewer] How did you take that?
- I, that God could do it without me.
He was just privilegingme to allow me to do it.
And I realized at that momenthumility is the way to God.
- Now we may feel we have a word from God,
we're gonna be obedient and walk in it
and have courage to do so,
yet we come againstobstacles and challenges
and then maybe we say,
Lord this might not have been from you?
I love your football analogy.- Yeah.
- Talk about that.
- Yeah, so, you know, on a football team
when the wide receiver lines up,
there's a play called thetiming pattern, he's running.
The defense knows this playbecause the defense knows
that if he gets thisball he's gonna score.
So, the defensive back gives him a hit
at the line of scrimmageto discourage him.
If he's a good receiver,he absorbs that hit,
he runs down the field 15yards, cuts across seven yards.
The ball is in the air,
the quarterback is notthrowing it to the receiver,
he's throwing it to a spot.
The receiver has to get to that spot,
regardless of the opposition.
And God says if you can get to that spot,
to that place in theearth that I have you,
you're gonna be hit but youhave to absorb that hit.
It's all apart of it, to get to that spot,
what in the least in the atmosphere,
he'll meet you in that spot.
- Yeah, what successful widereceiver's gonna stop running
after the hit?
- Exactly and I think that'swhat makes great receivers,
- How do you personally avoid burn out,
has that been a challenge for you in?
- You know, it has and I thinkit's about intentionality,
it's about collaboration, it'sabout really understanding
how to build a team, I think.
You know, when God tellsMoses to go and tell Pharaoh
let my people go, theillustration there is,
he told them out of abush that was on fire
and the fire did not consume it.
And God would say have a burning for it
but don't let it burn you out.
Whenever, you stay in the purpose of God,
you will never burn out.
It's when you do things thatare not in God's purpose.
If it's not in God's purpose,
it shouldn't be on your schedule.
- Do you think the Churchtoday in the United States
is there a cynicism towardthe younger generation?
- Of the quote, "millennials."
I mean, you've done agreat job reaching them
through digital media.
What should peopleunderstand about that Joe?
- Should understand, one,that millennials, you know,
they do love God, they maynot love our traditions.
They may not love ourthings that we hold sacred
but they do love God.
Millennials are relationship oriented,
millennials are cause oriented
and millennials really,really are aesthetic.
They want truth, relationshipand they want causes.
When you focus on those things
and not yourself and noton building, a building
or building, you know, a denomination
but you're gonna buildingdisciples of Christ
that's what draws millennials.
And that they're creative,they have so much to offer,
if given the right space to do it.
- Yeah, it's a tremendous book,
I thank you for joining us today.
- Thank you so much for having me.
- Encourage you to get it, it's called
No Wasted Opportunity,the Art of Execution.
It's available now wherever books are sold
and I really encourage you to pick it up,