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The Global Lane - August 10, 2018

Andrew Brunson still detained in Turkey.Trump imposes sanctions. What Erdogan wants; Israel & importance of Friends of Zion.; Why parents turn children over to human traffickers; Sanctions re-imposed on Iran. Why U.S. allies aren’t joining in. Read Transcript


- [Gary] Today, from the Global Lane.

Andrew Brunson still detained in Turkey.

Trump imposes sanctions.

What does President Erdogan want?

And when will the Americanpastor return home?

Friends of Zion and whythey're important to Israel.

What drives a parent to turn their child

over to human traffickers?

And sanctions reimposed on Iran.

Peace through strength

and why America's friendsaren't joining in.

And it's all right here, right now,

from the Global Lane.

Is American pastor, AndrewBrunson, coming home?

U.S. Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo, says

he's hoping Turkey will soon allow Brunson

to leave house arrest andreturn to the United States.

The American pastor's imprisonment

has driven a wedgebetween the United States

and its NATO ally.

And what about Turkey'spresident, Erdogan?

What is he really up to?

I recently joined a CBN News panel

to provide some reporterinsights on these issues

with my colleagues, Jennifer Wishon

and Ben Kennedy from Washington,

John Waage from Jerusalem.

Here's a portion of that discussion

hosted by George Thomas.

- Jennifer, let me begin with you.

Who exactly is Andrew Brunson

and why was he arrestedin the first place?

- Sure George.

Well Andrew Brunson is apastor from North Carolina

who has pastored a churchin Turkey for 23 years,

peacefully and without incident.

Two years ago, you may remember

there was a coup attempt

and Turkish President, Recep Erdogan.

After that attempted coup attempt,

Erdogan became very paranoid.

He cracked down on anyonehe saw as a threat.

Andrew Brunson was detained

and he was put into anovercrowded prison cell

where no one spoke English,there were no other Christians.

He was often sent to solitary confinement.

He was not allowed toleave his prison cell

and he remained in thatstate for 18 months

before Turkey filed anycharges against him.

And when they did, it came in the form

of a 62-page indictment,where he was charged

with preaching the Gospel in Turkey.

He was charged with planning the coup

against Erdogan yearsbefore it ever happened

and he was charged with being a part

of a terrorist organization,

many terrorist organizations in fact,

among other things.

- Let me go to Ben at the White House.

This issue really came toprominence in a greater light

when President Trump came into office

and in the last six-seven months

has really honed in onthe case of Mr. Brunson.

Ben, tell us why Pastor Brunson's case

is so important to President Trump.

- Well yeah, George,you're right, for one,

President Trump cares forEvangelical Christians,

he listens to them, andthey have really been

on the front lines, fightingfor Pastor Brunson's release.

So Evangelical Christians are in his ear.

We've seen Trump tweet about it,

calling Brunson an innocent man of faith

who should be released immediately.

Trump added that the missionary pastor

is suffering greatly and we continue

to hear those stories come out of Turkey.

Brunson has lived in Turkeyfor more than two decades.

As Jennifer was talkingabout, he is not a threat,

and in 23 years he hasnot committed any crime.

So this is a man who wantsto share the Word of God

and bring people to the church.

Another reason Trump caresis Vice President Mike Pence,

who himself is also a devout Christian

who is advocating forPastor Brunson's release,

and other Americans detainedin foreign countries

to also be released.

So it appears PastorBrunson has a lot allies

right here behind me at the White House.

- This case took on adramatic turn as you know,

last week, when the White House

suddenly decided to slap sanctions on two

very high ranking Turkish officials

accused of arresting Pastor Brunson.

That's highly unprecedented, right?

- Right, you don't havemuch precedent for that,

but then you don't have much precedent

for a president like Trump.

He comes into it, a veryshort part of his career

has been as a politician,and he has seen things

through a different set of lenses,

and so we're going to geta different set of actions

from the White House from time to time,

and this is one of those times.

But the two high-ranking officials

that he placed sanctions on,

that's largely symbolic,

but it's still a significant thing.

The Interior Ministerand the Justice Minister,

Interior Minister would be like

our Department of Homeland Security.

These are two guys that by and large

represent the buddingpolice state, really,

that Erdogan is building in Turkey

and to the shock ofpeople who value democracy

and respect Turkey'stradition of secularism.

Of course, that's been changing

over the last 14 years or so,

but yes, it is different, and George,

this isn't the end of the possibilities

for what President Trump could do

with the enormous economiccloud of the United States.

You know, there are other things he can do

to Turkish industrialistsand people who back,

bankers who back Erdogan's moves

that he's been making lately.

This is just kind of a toe

stepping in the water right now.

There could be moreand I think that's part

of Trump's total dedication

to saying we're seriousabout this Brunson matter.

- Christians are continuingto suffer in this country.

There was a recent programon a national T.V. network,

owned by Erdogan's family,that basically said

that Evangelical Christiansare a national threat

to the country and a globalthreat around the world.

- George, I think that is something new,

a new development sayingthat even Evangelicals

are a threat to not onlyTurkey, but the world.

Let's look back becausemany people will say

oh things are getting badin Turkey for Christians.

It's always been bad forChristians in Turkey.

Let's not forget, 1915,the Armenian genocide.

In 1923, when Kemal Ataturk came to power.

Everyone thought, oh he's implementing

more of a secular society,but he also took steps

to make Christians more of a minority

and to seize Christian property

and progressively, since then,

we've seen things get worse,

just about a year anda half, two years ago.

Church property wasconfiscated in Dee-uh-bock-er,

against the Chaldeans and then also

against the Armenian Christians there

and Christians have triedto get their property,

their church propertyback from this government.

The government has refusedto give back property,

Christian property.

- What's next from you perspective,

there at the White House?

- Turkey's president is now talking

about retaliatorysanctions against the U.S.,

and no doubt this moveis not going to help

the situation or speedup Brunson's release.

You have to remember the U.S.and Turkey are NATO allies.

I expect talks tocontinue between the Trump

Administration and Turkey.

The Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo,

as you remember, just sat down

with Turkey's ForeignMinister in Singapore,

where the talks weresaid to be constructive

and that this issue is straightforward,

adding that we are going to find a way

to bring him home soon.

- What is Erdogan's longtermpolitical and religious goals?

- Well, power and I think hesees himself as a new sultan.

He wants to reestablishthe Islamic caliphate

throughout the Middle East.

That was his goal with Syria.

He opposed Assad, he wantedto see Bashar Assad deposed.

He worked to help supportISIS, buying oil from ISIS.

They controlled some oilfields when they had control

of much of, a third of Syria and Iraq,

he bought oil from them.

Also, people in the Middle East told me

that he allowed them, ISIS, access to go

across the border back and forth.

He wanted to use them tonot only oppose Assad,

but also the Kurdishpeople in Northern Syria

and in parts of Iraq,who have long opposed

the Turkish Government.

So he wanted to consolidate hispower, use it to branch out,

and spread a caliphate, George,throughout the Middle East.

- As you know Jennifer,there is a lot of angst

between Turks, Kurds,Arabs, Sunnis, and Shias,

but I'm curious as we wrap this up,

does the President'shandling of the Brunson case

send a message to othercountries that if you

persecute Christians or violatereligious freedom rights,

there will be consequences?

- It's not just the President.

U.S. law in recent years has strengthened

America's push of religious liberty.

But we have to wonder,speaking of Erdogan's end game,

I mean, if you look economically, we know

just from what we're goingthrough in our own country

that the economy speaks loud and clear

and so Erdogan is backinghimself into a corner

if he does not soon let Pastor Brunson go.

- Thank you to all of youfor coming on the show.

Gary, my final questionto you, final thoughts,

what impact will this have, as I mentioned

at the top of the show,already we have issues

with Turkey because of itsinfluence in Iran and Syria,

relations with Russia,growing relations with Russia,

what impact do you think thiscase of Mr. Andrew Brunson

will have on U.S./Turkeyrelations going forward?

- Well they're not goodright now, but look,

it's in the longterm strategic interest

of the United States to resolve this.

We need Turkey, we'vegot a major airbase there

that supports our strategicinterests in the Middle East.

Also, Turkey needs the United States

as Erdogan wants to proceed andbecome a member of the E.U.,

he needs to make good withthe United States, Trump,

and with the European Union,so I don't expect this

is going to last too much longer, George,

it should resolve soon.

I think what is neededthough is Erdogan needs a way

to save face and a way out of this.

- The Trump Administration is doing much

to advance religiousfreedom around the world

and a major part of theeffort is the promotion

of religious tolerance.

Our next guest has workedtirelessly over the years

to promote tolerance and dialogue,

especially between Christians and Jews.

Mike Evans is with theJerusalem prayer team

and the Friends of ZionHeritage Center in Israel.

He's here at CBN awardingour founder, Pat Robertson,

with the Friends of Zion Award.

Mike, for those who don't know

about the Friends of Zion Award,

what is the Friends of Zion Award

and why do you have one?

- The ninth presidentof the State of Israel,

Shimon Peres, commissioned that he

was a chairman of Friends of Zion.

We've given it to many world leaders.

We've given it to President Donald Trump

in the Oval Office with the Vice President

and all the major Evangelicalleaders, like James Dobson.

We've given it to George W. Bush,

we've given it to Prince Albert of Monaco.

Five world leaders has receivedthe Friends of Zion Award.

- And why, Mike?

- Why, friends of ZionAward signifies key leaders

who are courageously standingwith the Jewish people

in the Nation of Israel.

And the reason why Pat received it today

is because for almost half a century,

Pat Robertson hasmobilized support to defend

the Jewish people and the State of Israel.

There isn't a man onthe planet, in America,

that has done it longerthan Pat Robertson,

in the United States.

- [Gary] Really?

- [Mike] Yes.

- [Gary] No one here in the United States?

How about around the world?

- [Mike] Well, you knowyou've got to be pretty old.

Pat's been doing it for half a century.

(chuckles)

- [Gary] Anybody else around the world

that would be close to that?

- I don't think so, notin the significant amount

of support, he's mobilizedmillions of people

to spend and stand with the Jewish People

and the State of Israel,so he's definitely worthy

of that award, and it's a verydistinguished award, yeah.

- And I know I was there in Guatemala City

last January, when you gave it

to the President of Guatemala.

- We did, we gave it to him.

- [Gary] Why Guatemala?

- [Mike] He moved theembassy to Jerusalem.

And by the way, Guatemalawas the first country

to recognize Israel at theU.N., after the United States,

and then they were thefirst country to do it

right after the United States,so it's a big deal, yeah.

- [Gary] And I know the Guatemalans

are really appreciative of that.

They celebrated, theycame out a celebrated.

- [Mike] Well, they are theones that made it happen.

Guatemalan's Evangelicals,and they united and prayed

and sought the face of Godthat the President would do it

and he honored that.

- I want to talk a little bitmore about that in a moment,

but first, I know youhave worked tirelessly

over the years to buildunderstanding, communication,

relationship dialoguebetween Christians and Jews.

Not just about Israel, butabout one another in our faiths.

Why is that so important?

- Very personal to me.

My great grandfather was arabbi in Vishnyeva, Belarus,

the same synogogue thatPresident Shimon Perez's

grandfather was the cantor rabbi.

They were burnt to death, 2,000 Jews

were put in that little tiny synogogue

and it was lit on fire.

The ones who lit it on firescreamed, "Christ killers,"

as they burnt them alive.

My mother named me after him

and she told me at the age of four,

Christians kill Jews.

Christians hate Jews.

The Pope, Billy Graham, and Adolf Hitler

are all Christians.

Now, I know that's not trueand I know a real Christian

would love the Jewish people.

We restored the Corrieten Boom House in Holland.

She was a real Christian.

Pat Robertson's a real Christian.

There's millions andmillions of real Christians,

actually we've got 45 millionon the Jerusalem Prayer Team.

And so, I wanted theNation of Israel to know

that real Christians willlove you and defend you,

and they're doing that.

- You know, I've evenhad Muslims say to me,

in the Middle East, whydo you Christians love

the Jews so much, right?

And I said, we love Muslimsto, we love all people,

God commands us to love everyone.

Love our neighbor asourself, and then I tell them

and our Lord and Savior was a Jew.

- Well, Mother Theresa,when I was with her,

she said to me, "You can't love Jesus

"without loving the Jewishpeople because Jesus was Jewish."

And it's true, there's a connection for us

as believers that goes back to our Savior.

- Now when it comes toIsrael, we're seeing many more

Christians and churchessupporting Israel, I think,

nowadays than we've seenin years, why is that Mike?

- It's unprecedented.

- It's unprecedented, why?

- It's unprecedented. Ithink it's been building.

You know, Pat pioneeredthat kind of support

almost half century ago, and at that time

it wasn't as strong, but Ithink they've been educated

and activated, and prophecyhas been fulfilled.

People have seen theprophecies of being fulfilled

and also they stop believingthe self-inspired narratives,

the narratives that the Jews are stealing,

Palestinians land, and they'reabusing the Palestinians

and it's a social justicebecause all those lies

were birthed through Arafat, a terrorist,

and now people are getting itsay that's not really true.

And I think 9-1-1 had a big impact upon it

because Americans aresaying wait a second,

these people are evil.

Terrorism is an evil thing and it's wrong,

and they're rejecting it.

- And they're seeing theimportance of a relationship

with Israel because theyare the only democracy,

true democracy, in the Middle East.

- Christians in America,you know I serve on

the President's Faith Initiative

and there's 25 of us...

Christians and Americaunite based upon Genesis 12,

I will bless them that bless thee.

They believe with all their heart

if they bless Israeland the Jewish people,

God will bless America and bless them,

and they are right.

- And we're seeing that translateinto policy in countries.

We mentioned Guatemalamoving their embassy.

Are there other countriesthat are going to move theirs?

- Sure, you already had Peru,

we have six countries we'retalking to right now...

I can't say which ones,but they're in Europe.

- Oh, come on, give us a little clue.

Eastern Europe, maybe?

- Yes, Czechoslovakiawould be one of them.

- Poland?

- Yes, Poland's another one.

We're talking to six countries right now.

- [Gary] Hungary?

- I'm not saying anymore.

- [Gary] Oh, come on.

(chuckles)

- But we're talking tothem right now and so...

But when the United States did it,

when the President did it,

I was in the Oval Officewhen I gave him the award

and I said, "You know, ninepresidents promised us,

"and none of them would do it."

He said, "I don't understand why."

Well I understand why, fear and Arab oil.

And a leftist global world order

that said you cannot do this.

And they despised the collectiveJew, the Nation of Israel.

Well, this president said,"No, its the right thing to do

"and I'm going to do it."

Of course, we hosted the galafor the embassy dedication.

We had Ivanka, Jared, we hadthe Secretary of the Treasury,

we had Lindsey Graham andJoe Lieberman, Ted Cruz,

they were all at our galafor the embassy dedication.

- [Gary] That was quitean event, wasn't it?

- [Mike] Amazing miracle.

- [Gary] Of course thePalestinians responded differently,

trying to infiltrate and cause problems

along the border with Gaza.

What do you see happeningin the days ahead

and what role should Christians play,

how can we pray?

- [Mike] This is alwaysspiritual warfare, you know,

you have a situation ancient Persia/Iran,

where they are going demonically demented.

And now you have with Hezbollah

in Lebanon, 110,000 missiles.

In Hamas, in Syria, youhave it in Yemen, in Iraq,

in Afghanistan, even in the Sinai,

and their intentionsare to move on Israel,

so there's a lot of stuff going on.

It's evil, it's from the pit of hell,

but God is a great Godand He can deliver them.

Everyone's tried to stop this tiny nation

and they haven'tsucceeded, and they won't.

- [Gary] And we know as longas they're faithful to God,

others will not succeed indestroying the, will they?

Okay, Mike Evans withthe Jerusalem Prayer Team

here awarding Pat Robertsonthe Friends of Zion Award.

Thank you for being with us.- Thank you, my honor.

- We'll see you again.

Recently, we talked abouthuman trafficking in Nepal.

We showed you how oneministry rescued some children

from bondage, way up in the Himalayas.

But it's not just in Nepal.

Many of the Nepali children are trafficked

to India and elsewhere in Asia.

Why is it happening andwhat can we do about it?

Well joining us is Daniel Yohannan,

he's Vice President of Gospel for Asia.

Daniel, I know your ministryhas worked for a long time

to help human traffickingvictims, so how bad is it?

- You know, most people don't realize

that every single countryon Earth, not just in Asia,

is affected by human trafficking.

We get our understandinga little incorrect

when we think of humantrafficking, people, usually,

kind of zero in on eitherthe sex trade or brothels,

and that does make up about20% of the 40 million people,

globally, that are trappedin human trafficking.

But the situation isvery dyer because it is

becoming more and more commonwith especially immigrants

and people moving from onecountry to a different country,

people being taken advantage of.

It just seems to be something that's

on the increase, rather than the decrease.

It is a very harsh realitythat is happening all around us

and most probably we've runinto people who are stuck

in human trafficking, orstuck in to bonded labor

and you know we don't even realize it

because oftentimes they look normal to us,

but don't realize what ishappening in the background.

- I've met many people inIndia and also Pakistan,

who are stuck in bondage or bond servants,

simply because theyneeded maybe $50 to repair

a home and then they go into debt.

But I think most of us areconcerned about children.

We're not unconcerned about the adults.

But what about children, we know

that they're enslaved for child labor,

but I think most disturbing is for sex.

So what is happening tothem and why children?

- I think the thing thataffects us the most,

especially when it comes to children,

like you said, we areconcerned about everyone,

everyone is made in the image of God

and so that human dignity is something

that is built into usand we desire dignity,

but children have a sense of innocence.

Whenever you hear about children in places

that we know they shouldn't be,

it really touches our heartand you kind of hit on that.

A lot of times, it's simply either

because the children are uneducated.

And I don't mean that they're stupid,

but because the family is kind of locked

into the cycle of poverty,but then to realize

unless every member ofthe family is working,

they're not going to be able to earn money

to be able to sustainthemselves and to eat.

And so a lot of times,the lack of education,

being able to read and write,

to be able to secure a future

ensures that this style ofpoverty and being locked

into bonded labor or slavery is continued

because these kids will growup, have their own families,

and their kids will bedoing exactly the same thing

because that is the onlything that they know.

But oftentimes what happensis parents are promised

a good job for theirkids or they know someone

that knows someone that can help them

to have a better futureand a better way of life.

And if you are living in a position

where you don't have much, you're looking

for every opportunityto better your family

and to have a future foryour kids and so often

these parents will send thesekids with these individuals

in the idea that they'vepromised a future and a hope

and a good job, only tofind out that these kids

are either put intofactories, not able to escape

or they end up in brothels.

And with all of this, I wouldencourage people to remember

this is not an awareness campaignof just bringing awareness

to people that this ishappening that does happen.

But somehow, the compassionhas to seep into us

and to move us to action.

- What is Gospel for Asia doingthen to make a difference?

- We do have work, reachingout to some of the red light

districts and we have women'steams that actually go

and do these specializedworks and it is in

a very very difficult waybecause many of these women

are either now owned bythese pimps or the brothels

and there's not easily they can escape.

Sometimes you can try topay the price to get them

to be set free, but one ofthe most important things

that is obviously globallyis preventative means.

So, there's two aspects.

One is to go and help thosethat are kind of stuck

into this trade or into slavery,

but then the other side isto be able to prevent this

and to make sure and ensure that children,

men, women, and young people, don't end up

in these lifestyles of either slavery

or being sold, which is unfortunate,

or being tricked into this kind of life.

Some of the things that we are doing

is we help about 75,000 children,

over 70,000 children, inour Bridge of Hope ministry,

which is to help childrenfrom some of the poorest

backgrounds to be ableto get an education.

We give them a hot meal a day

when they show up at the center.

We help them with their homework

to make sure they're ableto pass their grades.

They learn about Christ's love.

They get a medical check-up.

We are able to supply themwith their bags and uniforms,

so they have the dignityand they have the things

that they need to be able to go to school.

But the fact that they'regetting an education,

especially the young girls.

And, on top of that, ifthey can learn to read

and write in English,which is the trade language

of the world, the businesslanguage, it really ensures them

to be able to see and geta job and have a future

to support their families, but also

even their future families.

And right now we see many ofour Bridge of Hope students

who have graduated through the program

are now starting theirbusinesses, some are in college,

some are going to medicalschool, and so we are seeing

the fruit of what God hasdone to allow us to be able to

bring education and hopeto these children's lives.

- Okay, Daniel Yohannan ofthe Gospel for Asia Ministry,

thank you for joining us today.

- Thank you so much, my privilege.

- President Trump has reimposed crippling

economic sanctions on Iran.

It's all designed toget the Islamic Republic

back to the bargainingtable to renegotiate

a nuclear agreement.

One that Mr. Trump calls the worst deal

in the history of the United States.

Many of our allies in theEuropean Union disagree.

Sure, they say they want to prevent Iran

and other nations fromdeveloping nuclear missiles,

but whether it's been Iran or North Korea,

their weak policies haveresulted in just the opposite.

Yes, our president's tough talk

doesn't seem very diplomaticat times, but guess what?

It does work.

It brought Kim Jong-un to thebargaining table in Singapore.

Negotiations with thatcountry may eventually

lead to a safer Korean peninsula.

Sure, President Trump could have done more

to convince our allies to join the U.S.

And reimposing sanctions on Iran,

but they're mesmerized by dollar signs.

Lucrative businessdeals with the ayatollah

are of greater concern than sincere

international security guarantees.

Just hours before the U.S.sanctions took effect,

France delivered fiveof 20 Turbo Prop planes,

promised to Iran Air, as partof a half billion-dollar deal.

And let's not forgetbusiness deals with Beijing.

22% of the oil producedin Iran ends up in China.

Keep the oil and dollars flowing, folks.

That's a great priority thantightening the screws on Iran

to sincerely abandon itsnuclear weapons ambitions.

Now the President says our allies

will eventually have to make a choice.

Either do business with the U.S. or Iran,

it can't be both.

As Iran's economy fails, more Iranians

will take to the streets,

and as the end of the regime grows nearer,

its leadership may likely agree

to direct talks without conditions.

But they must know thispresident will never

send them more money, likethe billions his predecessors

sent them, and he will notapologize for the past.

The policies of appeasementand American weakness are over.

As Ronald Reagan said,"Peace through strength."

Doesn't work you say?

How soon we forget this.

- Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall.

- Because of Reagan'stough talk and strategy,

the Soviet Union collapsed

and the Berlin Wall came crashing down.

I know, I was there.

And in Matthew five:nine, Jesus told us

in His sermon on the mountain,

"Blessed are the peacemakers,

"for they will be called children of God.'

So let's pray the Iranian leadership

and America's allies sincerely seek peace

and the One who provides it,

so they may be called Children of God.

Well that's it from the Global Lane.

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