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Your Tax Dollars, 'Fresh' Late-term Aborted Babies and Humanized Mice

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- Aborted babies are oftenhanded off to technicians

right after an abortionfor their body parts

to be sold for research.

It's something pro-lifegroups have reported on

and even something thatis indirectly financed

by your tax dollars and it's legal.

Here with more on this practice and one of

the investigations into theprofiting from such sales are,

is Terry Jeffrey with CNS News.

Welcome Terry.

- Hey, thanks for having me on.

I really appreciate it.

- First of all, you'vedone extensive coverage

and investigation intothis practice yourself.

You say folks should notonly be outraged that this is

happening but that it's legal, explain.

- Right, I think thatthis was set up to be

a legal enterprise largelydriven by the federal government.

Back in 1993, when this was also an issue,

Congress which is incontrol by the democrats,

Bill Clinton was president,passed a law called the

NIH Revitalization Act.

In that law, they had language that said

you could not give valuable consideration

in exchange for human fetal tissue,

but in the same part of thelaw just a few lines down,

they define valuableconsideration not to include

reasonable payments forthings like securing

the tissue processing, quality control,

shipping it, all sorts of things

that allowed money to beexchanged to make sure that

the researchers who forthe most part were being

funded by the federal government,

would be able to continuegetting the tissue

and even back then, theywere as they are now,

using that tissue totransplant it into mice

to make what they call humanized mice.

So, this is a legal enterprisethat the federal government

has sanctioned literallyand fortunately for decades.

- So let's talk a little more about that.

Is it legal for companiesto profit from the sales

and is that happening?

- Well if it weren't asquote/unquote profit, no,

because that law says you can'thave valuable consideration.

But then the way they definedvaluable consideration,

considerable amounts ofmoney can exchange hands

in order for the researchersto obtain the tissue.

Now, for example, in themost recent article I wrote

about the food and drugadministrations contract

to quote/unquote acquirehuman fetal tissue

to create these humanized mice,

they're dealing withan organization that is

a non-profit organization,

advanced by a sciencesresources which is based in

the Bay area, which Ithink it's fair to say

was essentially set up to be a middle man.

In fact, I think that's the term that the

House Investigative Committeedescribed this organization,

as a middle man for theprovision of fetal issue

to researchers.

- What is the truth about aborted babies

and a need for their body parts and tissue

for scientific research?

What is the FDA doing?

Why are they trying tomake humanized mice?

- Well, back in the 1980s,these researchers at

Stanford Universitycame out with the idea.

They were trying to finda way of how can we test

drugs to treat HIV when thehuman immunodeficiency virus

will only infect human blood?

We can't do it in animalsin pre-clinical trials.

They came up with the ideathat if you took these mice

that do not have theirown working immune system,

they call them scid mice,

severe combined immune deficiency mice,

and you transplanted human fetal tissue,

which had not yet typed to its own person.

Adult tissue, if you tookit from adult human being

and tried to transplantit into these mice,

that adult tissue would reject the mouse.

But they thought maybe if you take it

from an unborn child andput it in this mouse,

the tissue from the unbornchild will not reject the mouse.

In fact, that was the case.

So they started creatingthese humanized mice

to do AIDS research.

Over the last three decades,the different types of mice

and the types of researchthey do with the mice

kinda expanded but thebasic idea is the same.

You take tissue, particularlythat liver and thymus

and bone marrow, which constitutethe human immune system,

from an unborn child that'sold enough to have that tissue

and have it in sufficient quantity,

to create 50 or 60 micewhich is what they wanna do

and then transplant it into those mice,

you'll have these groupof research animals.

They're literally called humanized mice

and you can infect withdiseases that would affect

the human immune system.

- How else is the governmentfunding this practice?

- Well, in this fiscal year, fiscal 2018,

according to the NIH, itis giving out $103 million

in grants to researchersaround the country

to do human fetal tissue research.

I haven't audited that whole 103 million,

so I don't know how muchof it is going to research

that involves thesemice, but I think it's a

reasonable hypothesisthat most of it is in fact

going to create these mice.

They're also, in additionto that $103 million

that the NIH is giving outin grants to researchers

for human fetal tissue research,

there's also in this FDA contract which is

sent from the NIH and it's contract,

the FDA also has contractswith people to do

fetal tissue research aside from grants,

excuse me, the NIH, and the NIH itself

does human fetal tissue researchwhere they make these mice.

In fact, last year, I reada story about research

being done at the NIHlaboratory in Montana

where they thought they hadcreated a better version

of this mouse and they wrote an article

in a medical journalexplaining to other researchers

how to make this betterversion of the humanized mouse

that had been created in fact,by government researchers

who were encouragingthis kind of research.

- From a moral perspective,people who are pro-life

see this as terribly wrong.

What efforts are underwayto stop all of this?

- Yeah, well, first of all, it's wrong.

What's really outrageous about this

is that the governmentis creating the demand

for fresh tissue that hasto be removed immediately

after an abortion from alate term aborted baby.

That's the outrage.

Now, how can it be stopped?

I think there's two thingsthat can bring it to a halt.

The first is, there islanguage in the House HHS

Appropriations Bill that came out of the

Appropriations Committeeand now has to go before the

full House, that prohibitthe federal government

from funding this research.

Last year, the Houseactually passed that language

in the omnibus billthat's sent to the Senate,

but the Senate did not pass that language,

so the funding continued.

So that's one step, defunding.

The second step is, if you, ideally,

in my view, you'd prohibit all abortions.

No babies would be deliberatelykilled in the womb.

But there is a bill in the

United States House ofRepresentatives that would

prohibit abortion from thetime that baby has a heartbeat.

Because this research needsbabies that are past that point,

that have developed biggerlivers and thymuses,

quite frankly, if you outlaw abortion

at the time of the heartbeat,this research stops

because it will not have those abortions

where they can take a babythat's just been aborted,

remove its liver andthymus and bone marrow,

and immediately shipit off to one of these

federally funded researchers.

So we can stop this by stopping abortions

past the heartbeat.

- What is your concern afterall the work you've done

on these stories, Terry?

- I think, number one, I'msorry that more of the media

hasn't focused attention on this.

I'm sorry that Congressinvestigated the harvesting

of tissue from clinicslike Planned Parenthood

and once they saw what was going on,

they did not make it enough of an issue

to actually end it.

I think it's unfortunate thatthe Republican leadership

so far hasn't mustered the courage

to force a national debate on this.

I think if the lid is rippedoff this and people realize

that the federal governmentis driving a research industry

in this country, it'snot private business.

It's the federal governmentthat demands organs

taken from late term babies,that the country would demand

it be stopped and I think even people

who are pro-abortion andI think it's outrageous

that anybody's pro-abortion,

but I think even peoplewho are pro-abortion

would step back from actuallytrying to defend this

and defend federal funding of it

if they were really forced to focus

on what's going on here.

- Alright, Terry Jeffrey with CNS News,

thank you so much for yourwork and your insight, sir.

- Thank you.

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