- Aborted babies are oftenhanded off to technicians
right after an abortionfor their body parts
to be sold for research.
It's something pro-lifegroups have reported on
and even something thatis indirectly financed
by your tax dollars and it's legal.
Here with more on this practice and one of
the investigations into theprofiting from such sales are,
is Terry Jeffrey with CNS News.
- Hey, thanks for having me on.
I really appreciate it.
- First of all, you'vedone extensive coverage
and investigation intothis practice yourself.
You say folks should notonly be outraged that this is
happening but that it's legal, explain.
- Right, I think thatthis was set up to be
a legal enterprise largelydriven by the federal government.
Back in 1993, when this was also an issue,
Congress which is incontrol by the democrats,
Bill Clinton was president,passed a law called the
NIH Revitalization Act.
In that law, they had language that said
you could not give valuable consideration
in exchange for human fetal tissue,
but in the same part of thelaw just a few lines down,
they define valuableconsideration not to include
reasonable payments forthings like securing
the tissue processing, quality control,
shipping it, all sorts of things
that allowed money to beexchanged to make sure that
the researchers who forthe most part were being
funded by the federal government,
would be able to continuegetting the tissue
and even back then, theywere as they are now,
using that tissue totransplant it into mice
to make what they call humanized mice.
So, this is a legal enterprisethat the federal government
has sanctioned literallyand fortunately for decades.
- So let's talk a little more about that.
Is it legal for companiesto profit from the sales
and is that happening?
- Well if it weren't asquote/unquote profit, no,
because that law says you can'thave valuable consideration.
But then the way they definedvaluable consideration,
considerable amounts ofmoney can exchange hands
in order for the researchersto obtain the tissue.
Now, for example, in themost recent article I wrote
about the food and drugadministrations contract
to quote/unquote acquirehuman fetal tissue
to create these humanized mice,
they're dealing withan organization that is
a non-profit organization,
advanced by a sciencesresources which is based in
the Bay area, which Ithink it's fair to say
was essentially set up to be a middle man.
In fact, I think that's the term that the
House Investigative Committeedescribed this organization,
as a middle man for theprovision of fetal issue
- What is the truth about aborted babies
and a need for their body parts and tissue
for scientific research?
What is the FDA doing?
Why are they trying tomake humanized mice?
- Well, back in the 1980s,these researchers at
Stanford Universitycame out with the idea.
They were trying to finda way of how can we test
drugs to treat HIV when thehuman immunodeficiency virus
will only infect human blood?
We can't do it in animalsin pre-clinical trials.
They came up with the ideathat if you took these mice
that do not have theirown working immune system,
they call them scid mice,
severe combined immune deficiency mice,
and you transplanted human fetal tissue,
which had not yet typed to its own person.
Adult tissue, if you tookit from adult human being
and tried to transplantit into these mice,
that adult tissue would reject the mouse.
But they thought maybe if you take it
from an unborn child andput it in this mouse,
the tissue from the unbornchild will not reject the mouse.
In fact, that was the case.
So they started creatingthese humanized mice
to do AIDS research.
Over the last three decades,the different types of mice
and the types of researchthey do with the mice
kinda expanded but thebasic idea is the same.
You take tissue, particularlythat liver and thymus
and bone marrow, which constitutethe human immune system,
from an unborn child that'sold enough to have that tissue
and have it in sufficient quantity,
to create 50 or 60 micewhich is what they wanna do
and then transplant it into those mice,
you'll have these groupof research animals.
They're literally called humanized mice
and you can infect withdiseases that would affect
the human immune system.
- How else is the governmentfunding this practice?
- Well, in this fiscal year, fiscal 2018,
according to the NIH, itis giving out $103 million
in grants to researchersaround the country
to do human fetal tissue research.
I haven't audited that whole 103 million,
so I don't know how muchof it is going to research
that involves thesemice, but I think it's a
reasonable hypothesisthat most of it is in fact
going to create these mice.
They're also, in additionto that $103 million
that the NIH is giving outin grants to researchers
for human fetal tissue research,
there's also in this FDA contract which is
sent from the NIH and it's contract,
the FDA also has contractswith people to do
fetal tissue research aside from grants,
excuse me, the NIH, and the NIH itself
does human fetal tissue researchwhere they make these mice.
In fact, last year, I reada story about research
being done at the NIHlaboratory in Montana
where they thought they hadcreated a better version
of this mouse and they wrote an article
in a medical journalexplaining to other researchers
how to make this betterversion of the humanized mouse
that had been created in fact,by government researchers
who were encouragingthis kind of research.
- From a moral perspective,people who are pro-life
see this as terribly wrong.
What efforts are underwayto stop all of this?
- Yeah, well, first of all, it's wrong.
What's really outrageous about this
is that the governmentis creating the demand
for fresh tissue that hasto be removed immediately
after an abortion from alate term aborted baby.
That's the outrage.
Now, how can it be stopped?
I think there's two thingsthat can bring it to a halt.
The first is, there islanguage in the House HHS
Appropriations Bill that came out of the
Appropriations Committeeand now has to go before the
full House, that prohibitthe federal government
from funding this research.
Last year, the Houseactually passed that language
in the omnibus billthat's sent to the Senate,
but the Senate did not pass that language,
so the funding continued.
So that's one step, defunding.
The second step is, if you, ideally,
in my view, you'd prohibit all abortions.
No babies would be deliberatelykilled in the womb.
But there is a bill in the
United States House ofRepresentatives that would
prohibit abortion from thetime that baby has a heartbeat.
Because this research needsbabies that are past that point,
that have developed biggerlivers and thymuses,
quite frankly, if you outlaw abortion
at the time of the heartbeat,this research stops
because it will not have those abortions
where they can take a babythat's just been aborted,
remove its liver andthymus and bone marrow,
and immediately shipit off to one of these
federally funded researchers.
So we can stop this by stopping abortions
past the heartbeat.
- What is your concern afterall the work you've done
on these stories, Terry?
- I think, number one, I'msorry that more of the media
hasn't focused attention on this.
I'm sorry that Congressinvestigated the harvesting
of tissue from clinicslike Planned Parenthood
and once they saw what was going on,
they did not make it enough of an issue
to actually end it.
I think it's unfortunate thatthe Republican leadership
so far hasn't mustered the courage
to force a national debate on this.
I think if the lid is rippedoff this and people realize
that the federal governmentis driving a research industry
in this country, it'snot private business.
It's the federal governmentthat demands organs
taken from late term babies,that the country would demand
it be stopped and I think even people
who are pro-abortion andI think it's outrageous
that anybody's pro-abortion,
but I think even peoplewho are pro-abortion
would step back from actuallytrying to defend this
and defend federal funding of it
if they were really forced to focus
on what's going on here.
- Alright, Terry Jeffrey with CNS News,
thank you so much for yourwork and your insight, sir.
- Thank you.