- [Narrator] Ever since911, we've been told
that Islam is a religion of peace.
But in The History of JihadFrom Muhammad To ISIS,
Islamic scholar Robert Spencershows that Islamic terrorism
is as old as Islam itself.
After all it was Muhammad who said
I have been madevictorious through terror.
The History of Jihad is thefirst one volume history
of it's kind in the English language
to tell the whole truthabout Islam's bloody history,
1400 years of Islamic waron the rest of the world.
- Robert Spencer isdirector of the Jihad Watch,
he's joining us now, his book is
The History of Jihadfrom Muhammad To Isis.
Robert thank you for being here.
- Thank you sir, great to be here.
- What is the deal on jihad,
what have they done over the years?
- Pat, it's been a 1400 year war
against non-Muslim countriesand non-Muslim individuals.
It's been characterized by terrorism
and it has been unremitting
and relentless throughout history.
There is no place in the world
where Muslims have come thatthey haven't started wars
against the non-Muslims.
And so I suppose the biglesson of the book is
why do we think we're gonna be different
in the United States today?
- Why, when I say this and they say,
well you're an Islamophobeand there's a protection
going on in the West about Islam,
they refuse to acknowledge the fact
that it's a bloody religion.
I remember George Bush said,
well Islam is a religion of peace
and I called him out, I said look,
you're the head politician
but you're not the head theologian
and Islam doesn't mean that.
But it means submission doesn't it?
- Yes, Islam means submission
and everywhere in theworld for 1400 years,
Muslims have made the non-Muslims submit
to the rule of Islamic law
or have at least attempted to do so.
What this book shows,actually, the last chapter
is called the West loses the will to live
and it starts with George Bushsaying that right after 911
and shows in all thechapters that go before that
how a-historical and contraryto fact Bush's statement was
and how disastrous it hasbeen for American policy
that he said that and thatit's become the basis for
our dealing with the jihad threat.
- Does the State Department buy that,
I mean, they still embrace that theory?
- Very much so, Obama made it even worse.
He in 2011, as I show in thebook, he actually scrubbed
all the counter-terror training materials
for the FBI and otheragencies of any mention
of Islam or jihad.
- He was beholden, they demandedit, then he headed them.
Remember that Obama was veryclose to the Muslim Brotherhood
and when the Muslim Brotherhood
was thrown out of power in Egypt in 2013,
there were protestors in Egypt saying
Obama is supporting terrorism.
And he supported MuslimBrotherhood entities
at home as well,
the Council on American-Islamic Relations,
the Islamic Society ofNorth America and others
and they demanded that thecounter-terror training materials
be scrubbed of all mention of Islam.
- Did he have advisors whowere Brotherhood members
or people like that?
- There were people in the Brotherhood
who were in the Obama administration.
You remember MohamedElibiary, for example,
was linked to the Brotherhood
and was in the Departmentof Homeland Security
and there were others.
But when representativeMichelle Bachmann called
for an investigation, actually,
Senator John McCaindenounced her on the floor
of the Senate, called her an Islamophobe
and there was no investigation.
- Why, why?
- The only thing I canthink is that people
have political calculationsthat are all wrong,
that they think if we ignore this problem
it will somehow go away.
And if we speak about it honestly
that it will anger the Saudisand our other putative allies
who weren't real allies atall and they also may be paid,
some of them.
- What did Muhammad actually teach?
I mean, this is the heartof the root of Islam
was the teaching of Muhammad.
He is the so-called prophet.
What did he tell his followers?
- He told his followersto invite non-Muslims
to accept Islam, if they refused that,
then to invite them to accept Dhimmitude,
the second class status under Islamic law,
denied basic rights andif they refused both
then to go to war with them and kill them.
And Muslims, as I showin the book have acted
on that throughout history.
- Well, he had a concept thatthere was a world of peace
and a world of war.
The world of Islam was submitted
and the (speaks in foreignlanguage) was the world of war
and everything else was,
I mean, they're at warwith everybody then.
- Yeah, the name Islamictheologians have given
to the Muslim world is the house of war,
(speaks in foreign language)
and the imperative in Islamic theology
is that Muslims must wage war against the
(speaks in foreign language)
and bring it into the (speaksin foreign language) Islam.
- What about can you be a good Muslim
and not buy into that theory?
- You can be a good Muslim and not do it.
You might be engagingin jihad of the tongue
or jihad of the pen orjihad of the pocket book,
struggling in different wayswithout waging hot warfare.
But there is no mainstreamschool of Islamic theology
or Islamic sect that rejects the idea
that Muslims in the aggregate collectively
must wage war against andsubjugate unbelievers.
- Well, now go back in historyand give us some examples
of what they've done.
- It's the jihad in India, for example,
was devastating, absolutelyshockingly bloody.
And I detail it, this is oneof the first books in English
that gives the shocking detailsof the jihad against India
because the Hindus wereconsidered even lower on the scale
than Jews and Christians andwere thus treated more harshly.
And one of the things thatnoteworthy in the book
is that there was a Muslim leader
in the 16th century in India
known as Akbar the Great
and he became disenchanted with Islam
and the more disenchantedwith Islam he grew,
the more tolerant andmagnanimous and peaceful
he became to the non-Muslims.
And then his son, Jahangir,who was an Islamic hardliner,
because he believed in Islam,
was harsh again to the Hindusand the other non-Muslims.
And so people talk about Islamas a history of tolerance,
Obama used to say that.
The reality in historyis just the opposite.
When the rulers were lessMuslim, they were more tolerant.
- What about Spain, theypoint to that as the great,
peaceful era of Spanishand Muslim relation.
- That's another historical myth.
- [Pat] Is it?
- The Jews and I show in thebook, from primary sources,
the Jews and Christians onlyhad it good in Muslim Spain
when they knew their place,
they accepted their second class status
and the denial of the rights.
One time in the year 1066, a Muslim ruler
had a friend who was Jewish.
He placed him over the city of Grenada
and the Muslims in Grenada they knew
that Islamic law forbids a non-Muslim
to have authority over a Muslim.
So they rioted and killed 4,000 Jews,
including the new governorbecause they objected to this
and they objected toit on Islamic grounds.
- How does Spain come freefrom all that, was there war?
- 700 year war, 700 year(speaks in foreign language).
- [Pat] 700 years.
- That's right, the Muslimsconquered Spain in the year 718
and it was 1492 whenFerdinand and Isabella
conquered the lastMuslim kingdom in Spain.
- They had to fight that long?
- They did, they persevered.
They called them a littlesmall band of barbarians
perched on a rock.
The last Christian holdoutsin Spain in the year 718
and the Muslims didn'teven bother with them.
There were so few of them they thought
they would just die off.
But they became the lynchpin of the resistance
and grew and grew andexpanded their domains
and finally took 700 years
but they won back the whole country.
- Well what about the Battleof Torres, what about that?
- That was in the middle ofFrance, right in central France
in year 732.
Charles Martel, Charles the Hammer,
he defeated the Islamic jihadis
and drove them out of France.
And it's interesting tonote that many years later
there was a man namedAdolf Hitler who said,
isn't it a shame that theMuslims lost at Torres in 732
because if they had wonand conquered Europe
then the marshal GermanicSpirit would have been Islamized
and we would have beenmore war-like and fierce.
- Well, that was the preludeto Charlemagne, the great king
after Torres, it was Charles Martel.
- Yes, that's right, CharlesMartel was I believe,
- [Pat] Okay.
- And so it was, if he had lost at Torres
there never would have been a Charlemagne
and France would have been Islamic.
- But still, I mean,what were the Islamic,
the forces were coming from out of,
- From Spain.
from Spain trying to conquerChristian Europe essentially.
- Oh absolutely, yes.
As a matter of fact, theinvasion of Spain started
in the year 711 when therewas a Christian Count,
Count Julian and he was angry
with the Visigothic king ofSpain who was also Christian.
Because of his personal anger with him,
he went to the Muslimrulers in North Africa,
said I'll help you get across the strait
and you can invade Spain.
And so he did and then theMuslims just kept going,
conquered almost all of Spainexcept for those barbarians
perched on a rock andthen went into France
and had gotten halfway across France
before they were stopped at Torres.
- If it hadn't been for Torres,the whole, I mean America
would have been a Muslim country then.
We all would have been.- Sure.
Because there was no other resistance.
There was nothing elsebetween them and Poland.
After Torres there wasno significant army,
no significant kingdom.
So they could have conqueredthe whole of Europe
and then of course, ifEuropeans settled America
then yes, would all be Islamic.
- What is the future ofsay England, for example?
They seem to be embracing Islamic law.
They're having courtsthat deal with Sharia law
and things like that butwhat are we gonna do?
- The only future that England has
is to either continue to submitand appease or to resist.
Either way it's gonna be bloody
because there are alwaysgonna be some people
who are gonna say I don'twanna submit to Islamic law.
But at the way they're going,
they're going to be an Islamic country.
- How about America?
- America has a better shot to resist it
because we don't have aslarge of Muslim population.
But we have to understand thatwherever there are Muslims
some of them are gonna be jihadis
and some of them are going to be
trying to impose Islamic law.
We have to come to grips with that,
call upon the American Muslim communities
to renounce the aspects of Islamic law
that are in variance with American law.
- The end game though of the Muslim world
is to conquer the world, is that it?
- That's right, absolutely.
The Koran says fight untilreligion is all for Allah.
That's a maximal statement,if you're gonna keep fighting
until religion is all for Allah
then they have to keep fightingus until we become Muslim
and everybody else in the world as well.
- That's funny, they believe in that Mahdi
who's gonna be the 12th Imam,
he's gonna come and actuallyJesus is gonna submit to him
and said I am wrong and youare the right one, is that it?
- Well, that's ShiiteIslam has the 12th Imam.
Most Muslims are not Shiites.
- [Pat] Oh they're not?
- It's about 15% are Shiites.- That's the Iranians.
- But they all do have, Muhammad said
that Jesus is gonna comeback, break the cross,
kill he pigs and abolish the(speaks in foreign language).
That means that he's gonna make war
against the true Christiansbecause they consider
that Jesus is a Muslim prophetwho did not die on the cross.
So, he's gonna come backand break the cross,
that is destroyChristianity, kill the pigs,
force the Christians to obey the food laws
that the Muslims and abolish the
(speaks in foreign language)
the tax that the subjugated Christians pay
so at that point it'seither be a Muslim or die.
And they think Jesus is gonna do that.
- You've got the manin Turkey now, Erdogan
who says that this is betweenthe cross and the crescent
there's gonna be a war.
He says it's already there doesn't he?
- Yes he really wants one.
He wants to be the next caliph,
the caliph is the leaderof all the Muslims
as the successor of Muhammad
and he's trying to set himself up to.
There hasn't been a caliph since 1924.
He's trying to set himselfup to restore the caliphate
and reclaim all the landsthat the Turks want to rule
as the caliphate, the lastcaliphate of the Ottoman Empire.
And so he's put Greece and the Middle East
and North Africa essentially on notice
that he's gonna try to reconquer them.
That may seem crazy and hemay never be able to do it
but he certainly not an ally of the U.S.
- That's for sure.
Robert, they say this isthe most comprehensive book
on jihad that's ever beenwritten am I saying it right?
- Well, I think so, yes.
This is the first book and only book
that covers all of jihad,not just against Europe
but against India as I said and also
shows how the Israeli Palestinian conflict
is all part of the largerglobal jihad, 911 much more.
The mission, The History ofJihad from Muhammad to ISIS,
where ever books are sold.
Thank you for being with us,that's extremely interesting.
- Thank you.
- God bless you.- You too.