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700 Club Interactive - October 11, 2018

Darren & Heather Turner share how their true story was made into the upcoming movie “Indivisible.” Read Transcript


- [Gordon] An Iraq war veteran comes home.

- I began to snap at little things.

- [Gordon] And hismarriage starts to unravel.

- Didn't matter if she was right or wrong.

That wasn't the point.

It was an opportunity for me

to let some of my angerand frustration out.

- [Gordon] See how thiscouple inspired a movie.

- I knew something deeper, supernatural

that we could notmanufacture had to happen.

- [Gordon] Plus.

- [Efrem] At number four.

- See this week's topfive trending stories

all on today's 700 Club Interactive.

Well, welcome to the show.

Here's Efrem Graham with this week's

Top Five from Studio 5.

- [Efrem] At number five.

♪ I keep it Ben Franklin,I'm not gon' change ♪

Chance the Rapper puts hismoney where his mouth is,

making headlines forhis pledge of $1 million

to support mental healthin his hometown, Chicago.

- Chicago's Chance the Rapper

attended today's city council meeting.

- [Efrem] The active artisthas dubbed his initiative

My State of Mind.

- [Male] I want to include outto my man Chance the Rapper.

(wind blowing)

- My name is Chance the Rapper, I'm here

representing the city of Chicago.

- [Efrem] Chance is also giving$100,000 to 20 additional

Chicago Public Schools.

♪ Choosing the squad ♪

♪ She trying to be dreamyjust creating a song ♪

♪ She told that she love me ♪

♪ I make music for God ♪

At number four.

- [Narrator] Dancingwith the Stars Junior.

- [Efrem] It's a younger take on the

hit television dance competition.

♪ Who let the dogs out ♪

♪ The body was nice,the party was pumpin' ♪

Dancing with the StarsJuniors premiered this week

on ABC with 12 youngcelebrities now competing

for the coveted mirror of all trophy.

- [Blonde Female] One, two.

- I loved having my sister as a mentor

because she just helpedus through everything.

- And such a good chemistry.

- [Efrem] It's a televisionfirst for the series.

- Oh, I think that I'm shocked that it's

taken this long to do it.

I mean, kids are literally the best.

- [Efrem] And all signsare pointing to a hit.

- Whoa, this is a lot of choreography.

- You did great Jason.

- [Efrem] At number three.

- Former first daughter tied the knot.

Two former President'sbeaming, and something borrowed

in true meaning.- [Efrem] Wedding bells

for the former first family.

- [Female Reporter] Former first daughter

Barbara Bush quietly tied the knot

with her screenwriter fiance Craig Coin.

- [Family member] Therewere so many happy tears.

- [Female Reporter] Thecouple was surrounded

by just family duringan intimate ceremony at

the Bush family compound in Maine.

- [Efrem] The secret and privateceremony took place Sunday.

- [Female Reporter] Barbara'snow husband proposed

in the same spot whereBarbara's grandparent's

were engaged more than 70 years ago.

And even though theformer first lady passed

away earlier this year,her memory was still

very much alive.

- [Family Member] Hersomething borrowed was

a bracelet that my grandfathergave to my grandmother.

- [Efrem] At number two.

♪ The best ♪

♪ Better than all the rest ♪

Legendary rocker Tina Turner says her

husband saved her life.

- Wonderful guy, he's a catch.

- [Efrem] For the firsttime, the singer shares

she underwent a kidney transplant.

And her husband ErwinBach donated his kidney

with a surgery.

The revelation comes inher new memoir titled

My Love Story.

♪ Nerch house skin house ♪

♪ School house out house ♪

Tina suffered from kidney disease,

and just two years ago herkidney were functioning

at only 20% and plunging rapidly.

In her book, she encouragespeople to sign up

for organ donation.

♪ Ohh you're the best ♪

At 78, Tina has survived astroke and intestinal cancer.

At number one.

- And we're filling in the seat that has

been empty a little bit.

We are happy to welcomeback our Megan McCain.

(crowd cheers)

- [Efrem] Meghan McCainreturns to her seat

at ABC's The View.

Following the death ofher father, senator,

and American war hero John McCain.

- People don't know this about you

when you're a caregiver,you're a father as well.

And I met you here on this show.

I text with you all the time,

you just prayed with me backstage.

You're a true friend,I love you very much.

- I love you baby.

- [Efrem] As you can see, and imagine,

it was an emotional return.

- I really appreciate it.

- In this moment, I want you to know

that everything that was in him is in you.

And this is your moment in time.

You are here for a moment such as this.

He has passed the torch to you,

the mantle has been passed to you,

and you are the perfect person to carry on

everything that he made.

- God is real, I wouldn'tbe here without my faith.

But I also wouldn't behere without Joe Biden

and Joe Lieberman, thosetwo men have carried

me through this experience.

(crowd applause)

And I just want to thankthem for being uncles to me.

- Well for all of thelatest in entertainment

news all you have todo is check out Efrem's

weekly studio show,it's called Studio Five.

You can watch it onlineat cbn.com/studio5.

Well coming up, they'remen who risked their lives

and defied their homelandsto save the lives

of countless Jews.

Hear the stories of theheroes who've been called

Righteous Among theNations right after this.

During the Genocide toannihilate the Jewish people,

many turned a blind eye.

But there were some thatput themselves at risk.

Foreign diplomats whohelped rescue hundreds

of Jews from the Nazi Holocaust.

Gary Lane gives us a look at a special

exhibition that honors them.

- Beyond duty is a Holocaust remembrance

display not only honoringHolocaust survivors

but also courageous foreign diplomats

who helped rescue them.

Earlier this year, the United Nations

allowed the Israeliforeign ministry permission

to display the exhibit there.

And now, the exhibit is on the road

with the latest stoppingthe CBN Regent University

Campus in Virginia Beach.

Among some of the righteousdiplomats featured

in this exhibit, Raoul Wallenberg.

He was from Sweden, manyof us know about him,

but how many of us have ever heard about

Sebastian De Romero Radigales?

He was from Spain.

Stories of bold diplomatsfrom nations like Peru,

and Japan are also featured.

Professor Gerson Moreno-Rianois with Regent University.

- Regent has a longhistory of standing with

the people of Israeland the state of Israel.

And the chancellor, ourfounder, Dr Pat Robertson

loves the people of Israel,loves the state of Israel

so for us, this is justone more in a long series

of things we have done in partnering with

the local Jewish community,and the state of Israel.

It highlights the importanceof embodying moral

courage in the face of evil.

I think that today intoday's world especially,

I think young people,students, others need to see

and understand history.

- [Gary] Israel, CBN,and Regent University,

a unique partnershipbroadening Holocaust awareness

by honoring 36 courageous diplomats

and thousands of others called the

Righteous Among the Nations.

- Well joining us now formore on the Beyond Duty

exhibit is Benjamin KrasnaDeputy Head of Mission

for the Embassy of Israelto the United States.

It is an honor to have you with us.

- Thank you Gordon, great to be here.

- Tell us, what does it mean to

be righteous among the nations?

- I think to be righteousamong the nations,

means that you reallyhad inner moral compass

that you didn't depress,that you expressed

that at some point yourealized that you had

to step out and do something

that wasn't the norm around you.

That was different than theway everyone else was acting,

that you couldn't be silent,that you had to take action.

And so we know manystories for example about

righteous, and countriesin Europe like Poland,

Holland, who had hid Jews and hid Jews,

at a great risk to themselves.

In this case, in thisexhibit we're talking about

our diplomats anddiplomats who were able to

really expedite Jews to leave Europe,

to get away from thedangers of the Holocaust.

To move away from theterror of Nazi Germany

and be able to escape whatwas probably short death.

- Lets go to the other side of it.

Why was it so convenient, if you will,

for so many people to turn a blind eye to,

I mean what was happeningwas absolutely horrific.

Yet, at the same time,people seemed to be willing

to go round up Jews andthen put them on trains

and deliver them to these camps.

Why, why does the thatseem to be a natural

human tendency to justsay, I'm under orders

and I'm just going to obey the orders?

- I think it's sometimes the easy way out.

People not willing to puttheir own necks on the line

to save their neighbor.

People not willing toput their career at risk.

The possibility of careeradvancement for defying

their government whopreferred to sit aside

and not undermine what theythought was their own agenda.

Politics, I mean, it was true in Europe,

it was true in this country as well.

Unfortunately, there weretoo many who did that

and therefore many could've been saved.

- Well this country is notable for turning

away ship loads of refugees.

Only to have them go back to Europe

and ultimately be killed.

And you look at thesestories, you do ask why?

What was so important thatyou couldn't let them in?

Why is it important today to remember?

I think that's one ofthe keys to this exhibit.

- Well I see two sides to it.

The first is that thisis a generation that is

slowly but surely passing,we're now 70 years after

the end of the Holocaust,survivors, and those who

took action are more andmore no longer with us.

And how do you make sure that this

story that's passed on fromgeneration to generation,

that it's never forgotten,and because unfortunately

these are lessons that needto be learned as well today.

Because when I see what's happening today,

and I look at a country like Iran,

it's Holocaust denial, it'svehementing anti-Semitism.

It's calls to annihilate the Jewish state.

We take it very very seriously.

And we need people to understand that.

And I think that if people just forget,

that not in the very, very distant past

these things happened.

They don't understandthe nature of the threat

that if you don't takeaction, you stand by silence,

that at the end of theday, these horrific acts

could repeat themselves.

- They could and therabbi's even talk about

every generation having a Haman.

Haman was the one whoplotted to destroy the Jews.

- Correct.- Inner and.

And we come into the Kingdomfor such a time as this.

And we need to be reminded.

Why do you think that is?

Why the hostility thatseems to be particularly

directed at the Jewish people?

Why?- You know,

I think that's a questionwe'd all like the answer too.

I think that sometimesthere are other interests

that come into play,Israel being a small state

in the center of the MiddleEast for so many years

in an area that wasconsidered very delicate

because we had other interests.

Other interests usually meant oil, energy,

other strategic interests,I think that that tide

is changing, and I thinkthat today when you see

some of what's happeningtoday, I think the whole

region's come aware to thethreat that emerges from Iran.

Iran's activities, inSyria, Iran's activities,

Lebanon Iran's activities.

And Lebanon are the termsthat you're so familiar

with, the threat thatimminates from there,

I think the whole region isbeginning to understand that.

And I think that that'swhy it's important.

- Okay.

Well the exhibit, it's ina Regent University all you

have to do to find out more is go to

regent.edu, it's available allthe way through October 23.

If you want to schedule a group visit,

and I encourage you to,there's a special number

you can call, 888-372-1006,

and let's get informed.

We look at today's worldand you see all the threats

against Israel, don't thinkit's some far away place.

Right here in Virginia,just in the past week,

there was swastikaspainted on a Jewish center

in northern Virginia.

So, we all need to have themoral courage to stand up

and say no, not on our watch,it's not gonna happen here.

Thank you, thank you for all your doing.

- Thank you.- Thank you.

Well, up next, the familystruggles after moving to Israel.

- It got to the point wherewe didn't have anything,

we were in crisis.

I felt like I failed myfamily and it was horrible.

- See how viewers like youhelp them in more ways than one

when we come back.

For many Jewish people,returning to Israel

is a prophecy fulfilledand a dream come true.

But often times, the strugglesof starting a new life

in a new land can be overwhelming.

- [Reporter] Alex andDianne are a young Jewish

couple who immigratedto Israel from Belarus.

They told me it was theirdream to come to the promise

land to build a better lifefor their two children.

- I felt a calling for many years

to make our home in Israel.

And I believed that itwould be the best place

for our family.

- Belarus is very low income,

and there aren't many opportunities.

I wanted my childrento have the best chance

at life and I knew Israelheld that for them.

But still, we have struggled.

- [Reporter] Alex expectedto find a job right

away in Israel, but weeks passed.

And the families savings dwindled,

soon they went into debt just buying food.

- It got to the point wherewe didn't have anything.

We were in crisis, I feltlike I failed my family

and it was horrible.

- It was very difficult for my husband,

because I know he wasdoing everything he could

to take care of us.

We never owed money before, and we never

had to ask for help, wehad no idea what to do.

- [Reporter] Then Dianne met someone

who told her about CBN Israel.

We started giving thefamily food and diapers.

We also taught them howto manage their finances

in Israel, we gave themsome money to get them out

of debt, and even helpedthem find furniture

for their apartment througha local ministry partner.

- We couldn't believe it,that you would just give

this support and expect nothing in return.

You made sure my children had food to eat.

- [Reporter] Thanks toCBN Israel, the family

got through that difficult transition.

Now Alex works fulltime installing drywall

and is supporting his family.

- It means so much to know that you wanted

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You have given us a greatstart, and now we have

a bright future in Israel.

- The situation we werein had nearly squeezed

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Thank you.

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Well, still ahead, an army chaplain who

tried to save lives in Iraq but then

struggled with his marriage back home.

- I began to snap.

Didn't matter if she was right or wrong,

that wasn't the point, itwas an opportunity for me

to let some of my angerand frustration out.

- [Gordon] The true storybehind the movie Indivisible.

That's next, so stay with us.

- [Narrator] When yougive, smiles grow bigger.

When you care,

homes are happier.

When you comfort,

the hurt goes away.

When we all come together to love,

miracles happen.

(light music)

- Well army chaplainDarren Turner helped dozens

of men while deployed toIraq, but once he came home

he struggled to connect with his family,

and almost lost the verything he loved the most.

- [Reporter] Darren Turnerand his wife Heather,

had no idea how thewar in Iraq would shake

their rock solid marriage to its core.

In 2007, Darren, a RegentUniversity grad spent

15 months as an Army Chaplain encouraging

service men and women in their faith.

But when he came home,things quickly fell apart.

- I began to snap at little things.

And it didn't matter ifshe was right or wrong,

that wasn't the point.

It was an opportunity for me to

let some of my anger and frustration out.

- I knew something deeper,supernatural that we could

not manufacture had tohappen, or else this

was gonna go nowhere,it was gonna get worse.

- [Reporter] Darren andHeather's story hits

the big screen in the movie Indivisible

playing in theaters starting October 26.

- Well Darren and Heather are with us now.

It's an honor to have youwith us, thanks for coming.

- It's great to be here thanks.

- Darren, you went to Regent University,

you got a degree from theSeminary, and everything's

supposed to be perfect, right?

- I thought I had all the answers.

- You were ready to go.

You did all of that so youcould be an army Chaplain.

- [Darren] That's right.- And then you get

into a war zone?- Yeah, three months

after, about four monthsafter graduating Seminary

I was on a 15 month deployment in Iraq,

right in the middle of a combat zone.

- [Gordon] Can anythingprepare you for a combat zone?

- I don't think so, Ithought that I was prepared.

And the army training didthe best that it could,

and Seminary did the best it could,

but there's a lotconfusion, a lot of chaos

that you can't reallyprepare for I don't think.

- [Gordon] A lot of death.- [Darren] Yeah, there

is that.- So you come back home

from that, and that'swhen the trouble starts.

So, what was he like when he came home?

- I would say he was justdistant, and disconnected.

Not really even wantingto be involved in family

activities, which wasreally strange for Darren,

he's a great dad, andjust not really wanting

to be meshed in our lives.

- [Gordon] How did that make you feel?

- I felt rejected, and Ifelt that the kids and I were

doing something wrong,that we were not meeting

his expectations.- [Gordon] Okay,

what did you do with that feeling?

- I got defensive, and withdrew,and started to self protect

and really just started grappling

after him for his attention.

And really badgering himand asking more from him.

And trying to push him todeal with whatever it is

he needed to deal with.

- [Gordon] How'd that work?

- Didn't go very well.

- I bought a motorcycle,that's how it worked.

- You bought a motorcycle, ohboy, you really did nothing.

Darren, a lot of yoursymptoms sound like PTSD,

but you didn't have that.

- Yeah, I mean that's a huge topic, right?

There's a lot of grayarea within that topic

of PTSD, I would say Ihad post traumatic stress,

but I don't think I had the disorder

with the intrusivethoughts, the nightmares.

I had a lot of anger,I wanted to be alone,

I wanted to be with the buddies who

I had gone through thoseexperiences with more

than I wanted to be withthis beautiful woman here

which is, I'm ashamedto say that, but that's

what I was drawn to.

- [Gordon] Don't be ashamed,that's what it's about.

I will ask the question, whydid you want to be alone?

Or why did you want tobe back in your unit?

- It's weird, comingback that the one thing

I wanted when I wasdeployed was to be home.

Then I get home, and theone thing I wanted to do

was almost go back.

And I couldn't go back, butI could be with my buddies

because they got it.

I didn't think that Heather got it.

But what I was missing wasshe had her own 15 month

battle with kids, sicknesses,she's holding spouses,

babies who just heardtheir husbands were killed.

And I didn't fully appreciate what she

had gone through, so oncewe started understanding

one another, we're like oh wow,

you've had quite theyear as well as I have.

I began to respect her journey as well.

Because we were competitive,I thought my year

was more significant than hers.

And she thought that heryear was more significant--

- Your pain is bigger?- Correct.

- Why did you think thatshe wouldn't understand

what you went through?

- She wasn't there.

And I just didn't, part ofme didn't want to relive

some of that, quite honestly.

And I didn't have to dothat with the buddies

who I was deployed with, they got it.

And so we could just be.

We could go ride motorcycles,we could go play football,

we could go play golf and nothave to download everything.

Heather wanted to know all this stuff,

she didn't deploy with me obviously,

so she didn't have that framework.

She wanted to hear itall, and I just didn't,

frankly, want to tell it all over again.

- Okay, so here you are, Christian's,

Chaplain, Seminary, and your marriage is--

- A mess.- yeah, just really

in bad shape.- Yeah.

- What led to the separation?

- For me it was, and lookingback, providentially,

separation is what the lordused in spite of ourselves,

we don't ever recommendthat for a marriage.

But--- Yeah, it's

usually a bad sign.- Yeah,

it is a very bad sign.

And the separation was really caused from

my self protecting and mywanting the pain to go away.

And so really I forcedthe separation in an

attempt to manipulate theHoly Spirit to work in him.

And thankfully, theLord did use that but--

- [Gordon] That's a prettybig self confession.

- It is, yeah, and I think so many women

especially Christian women, want

to manipulate the HolySpirit to try to do for--

- Fix him.- fix him, right.

- To wake up the passivehusband who will not engage.

- Right.- Which we were

Adam and Eve, where wasAdam when he took the fruit?

He was right there.

- [Gordon] I don't think shewanted you to be passive.

- No, I was beingpassive and not engaging.

- Oh, okay.- Her heart

and what she needed, I wasjust riding motorcycles.

- She wanted to hear your heart?

- [Darren] Correct.- Yes, right.

And so for me--- But you also

wanted to protect the kids too?

- Yes, protecting the kids,and protecting my own heart

from being, from continuallyhoping in the Lord

to do something, andthen being disappointed

and not really sure whereto put that disappointment.

Should I be disappointed in the Lord?

Or am I just disappointed in him?

But either way, I'm disappointed.

And which really rattled my faith.

Did I hear from the Lordon who I should marry?

Did I hear from the Lord of how,

what marriage should look like?

And you know, it was really atough crisis of faith for me.

- Okay, the Holy Spiritdid start working on him.

He started changing,but then you held back.

- Yes.- Why?

- Well, all of those reasons.

Just doubtful that Godwas who he said he was.

That the Holy Spirit couldwork in us to heal and restore.

And over time, so forus, reconciliation was,

for me, reconciliation wasjust an obedience choice.

To follow what the Lordhad said in marriage,

and committing to those vows.

- But you went further than that,

because your heart changed.

I can tell today, your heart changed,

you're not protecting, you're saying--

- But that took some time, it took us

for me, it took probablya year for my emotions

to catch up with theobedience of just walking

in the design of marriage that God had.

- When did you fall back in love?

- During that year, I would say.

We went back home and hejust worked at a local

home improvement store, and weweren't in ministry anymore.

And I think I just, for the first time,

well, we really had torelearn how to be married

under different terms.

Where no longer were wesupposed to supply life

giving acceptance and worth to each other.

Which was really freeingfor the first time.

Even though we knew allthose things before,

we just hadn't learned howto walk through that yet.

- Yeah, when you find it in him,

then you can actuallyfind it in each other.

- We're full and we havesomething to offer one another

instead of empty trying to take take take.

- Needy needy and easily hurt.

- Right.- Or in your case,

not so easily hurt,but hurt none the less.

What's it like now?

- Marriage?- Yeah.

- Military life?- [Gordon] Yeah.

- It's still hard work,we're still difficult people.

- We're still competitive.- Still competitive.

- But we have a lot of grace with it.

- They don't tell youthat in marriage class.

Marriage is really a lot of hard work.

And then you get toraise kids on top of it.

- [Heather] That's right!- Well the movie

Indivisible opens intheaters later this month.

And for more informationjust go to CBN.com,

and Darren and Heather,thank you for being with us.

- Thank you for having us.

- God bless you, that'sall the time we have.

We'll see you again.

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