- [Narrator] FOX Newshost Tucker Carlson says,
it wasn't Russian collusion
that swept Donald Trump into office.
It was an angry electorate,
tired of being ignored by the elites.
A group whose power and wealthhas grown beyond imagination,
even as the rest of thecountry has withered.
In his new book, Ship of Fools,
Carlson offers a blisteringcritique of these new overlords.
"Our leaders are fools",Carlson concludes,
"Unaware that they'recaptians of a sinking ship."
In the signature andwitty style that viewers
of Tucker Carlson Tonighthave come to enjoy,
his book answers theall-important question,
how do we put the country back on course?
- Well the book is called Ship of Fools:
How a Selfish RulingClass is Bringing America
to the Brink of Revolution.
Tucker Carlson joins us now.
Tucker it's good to see you.
Welcome, glad to have you with us.
- Thanks for having me, Pat.
- Hey, this whole thing,
let me ask you about thisso-called middle class.
Who are they and what's happening to them?
The white middle class, where's it going?
- Well the middle-class isthe backbone of the country.
A vibrant middle class isessential for democracy.
And they're dying.
So for my lifetime,yours, our grandparents,
for over 100 years, the middleclass has been the majority
in this country, it'sdefined what the country is.
And in 2015, for the first time,
that group became a minority,less than 50% of the country.
This was a huge shift in our economy,
and in our social fabric
and it was almost unnotedby media organizations.
Including, I'm ashamed to say, by me.
I wasn't even aware that it happened
until I started writing this book.
And yet, it really tells youeverything you need to know
about why the president got elected.
If you're running a countryas affluent and successful
and large as this one, yourmain concern is making certain
that people who make $80,000 a year
have some security and some promise
that their children will do better
and some stake in the American Economy.
You don't want a countrycomprised only of the very rich,
and of the wholly-dependent at the bottom.
You know, welfare recipientsand private equity moguls.
That's a very unstable model.
That's the Latin American model.
That's what happened in Venezuela,
where all of a suddena small group of people
controlled everything andthe population revolted
with this radical Left Wingpopulism of Hugo Chavez,
and now of Nicolas Maduro,and they wrecked the country.
And so, I guess I couldbottom-line it in one sentence
by saying, whenever you havea big populist movement,
like the Trump Movement,
that's a sign that thepeople in charge have failed.
They've made grave mistakes and they need
to fix those mistakes rightaway or it will get worse.
- Who are these elites that are captains
of the ship of fools, who are they?
Are they only on the coast,East coast, West coast?
Is that where they are?- Yes.
- Yeah go ahead.
- Primarily, in places I have lived.
And I just want to be clearthat I'm not writing this book
as a representative of coalminers in West Virginia.
I'm not from West Virginia.
I'm from La Jolla,California and Georgetown.
So I have a perspective, Ithink, that's pretty informed
on the question of this group,
'cause I've lived among them all my life.
I'm not speaking simplyof our political elites,
but also of our economicand cultural elites,
the people who make our foreign policy,
the enormous non-profitsector here in Washington
of policy people who figureout what country we ought
to invade next, et cetera.
So, I'm speaking of the peoplewho make the blind share
of the decisions in this country.
The 5% of the population that makes 90%
of the significant decisions.
And, by the way, everycountry has a ruling class.
People are hierarchical.
The Old Testament is thestory of ruling classes
and the decisions they made.
There's nothing wrong withit, I'm arguing against.
- What qualifications havethey got to be the rulers?
I mean, do they just take power?
Is it given to them?
Is it because of howmuch money they've got
or they went to Yale orGeorgetown, or whatever?
- I would say that, the SAT,
strictly speaking, theSAT, standardized testing,
is responsible for thesociety we now have.
We decided 50 years ago, 60 years ago,
to sort people by intelligence,
that's what the SAT isin effect, an IQ test,
and shunt them into a smallnumber of elite colleges,
and from there into a smallnumber of elite professions,
and they move to a smallnumber of elite neighborhoods,
and married each otherand repeated the process
with their own children, et cetera.
So you basically have a very insular group
running the country.
Very, very insular; andthey live in 20 ZIP codes
and they disproportionately control
the lives of everybody else.
I'm not even mad about that.
I just think that if you'regonna to have a group like that,
they better have deep empathy
for the population of the country.
They better really care about the country
and they better slow down
and make sure they'remaking wise decisions.
And when they mess up, as we all do,
they need to take responsibilityfor their bad decisions
and learn something from them.
Exactly what you wouldask of your own children.
And they haven't.
- The hypocrisy factor youpointed out in your book
is very well taken about where they send
their children to school.
You wanna talk about, thepublic schools are pretty bad
in most areas, but theseelites don't send their kids.
Where, where does Obama send his children?
- Well to Sidwell Friends,
which is a putatively Quakerschool, here in Washington
where the children ofcountless U.S. senators,
and ambassadors, and titans of industry,
all send their children.
Look, I send my children to public school.
I raised them in the District of Columbia,
we have terrible public schools.
I'm not attacking anyone for that.
I'm merely saying that if you're in charge
of our political system and our economy
and you have out-sizedpower in our society,
you ought to make sure thatpeople who aren't as fortunate
as you have access to decentschools for their kids.
And they're not, they've givenup on the public schools.
And instead, they have decidedthe future is in importing
new people from othercountries into our country.
Okay, but what about thepeople who already live here?
What about them?
And of course, nobody cares inWashington, that's the point.
Nobody cares about themiddle of the country.
- You know, they condemned.
It was amazing how theDemocrats refused to allow
the school children in Washington, D.C.
to have school choice.
They insisted they stayin those public schools
that were all failing.
I used to live in Washington for a time.
- Exactly, of course, becauseit doesn't affect them.
It doesn't affect them at all.
I mean, their children aregoing to be absolutely fine
and they're going to get into Princeton and they're going
to get jobs at McKinsey andthey're going to be repeating
the lives of their parents.
So we have, all of a sudden,
I grew up in a pretty middle-class country
where even rich people sortof mingled with everybody else
and went on vacation bycar, and stayed in motels,
and got lunch at McDonald's.
We don't live in that country anymore.
The rich live a very separateexistence from everyone else.
And that makes it veryhard for them to empathize
with the population and to make decisions
that benefit the population.
This happened in Rome, thisis a very familiar script
that we're seeing play out.
- Maxine Waters is sort ofthe poster child of the Left,
she has been acerbic against Trump.
She tells people to assaultRepublicans and so-forth.
How much does her house cost?
You have that in your book.
- Maxine Waters, whorepresents, or did represent,
South Central Los Angeles,where the riots took place
in 1992, an impoverishedarea in that city,
lives in one of the richestneighborhoods in the city,
a neighborhood thatthe Left would describe
as non-diverse or segregated,overwhelmingly white,
and she lives in a fourmillion dollar house.
I don't know how someonewho spent her entire life
in so-called public service in Congress,
could afford a four million dollar house.
I asked the question and was (laughs)
dismissed as a bigot for doing it,
but I think it's a fair question.
But I also think it tells you a lot.
The people who are tellingyou that you're a bigot
because you're against diversity,
whatever that is, areliving in the least diverse
neighborhoods in our country!
- You've got a section here about a guy
that I've never evenheard of, who apparently,
got the Pulitzer Prize.
He couldn't hold a job downat several news organizations
and suddenly he's lionizedby this great writer.
Talk about him, will ya?
- I think you may be talkingabout Ta-Nehisi Coates,
who is one of the mostpopular writers on the Left.
I don't know him and Ihave no personal animos
against him, but I decided to read,
because he is therecipient of so many awards
from our establishment, hemust be a brilliant writer.
So I actually read his majorbook, and I found it deranged!
Not only badly written andpoorly argued and badly reasoned,
but also a screed againstanother ethnic group.
I grew up in a countrywhere you were not allowed
to attack people onthe basis of their race
or other immutable characteristics.
That was called racism.
Now, Ta-Nehisi Coates, inthe name of fighting racism,
is committing it, pretty openly.
Not pretty openly,entirely, transparently!
Writing a whole bookabout how people are evil
because of their skin color.
And I'm thinking, is thisallowed now, are we for this?
I'm not for that actually.
I don't think you shouldjudge people by their race.
I think it's immoral, but it'scommonplace on the Left now.
- You also pointed outthat we worked so hard
to get integration at our schools.
- Yes!- I mean, it was a big deal.
You had to bring little black children
into the white schools, and so forth.
Now, there's a movement, apparently,
to have all-black sectionsof universities and so forth.
You've got an interesting talk about that.
- Well, it's almost likethat scene in Animal Farm,
where the pigs repaintthe slogans on the barn
and make them the mirrorimage of what they once were.
You're absolutely right.
50 years ago, the crowning achievement
of American Liberalism wasending school segregation.
Brown versus Board in '54,
it took 15 years reallyto put it into effect.
But Liberals, when I wasa kid, would always say,
"We desegregated the schools."
And I never liked Liberals,but I agreed with them.
Good for you!
We shouldn't have segregatedschools, what is that?
Now Liberals are leading theeffort to resegregate schools.
Harvard University last yearhad an African American,
a black, graduation ceremony.
And I'm thinking, wellwhy is that different
from Greenville, Mississippi 1955?
It's not, of course.
Except now that Liberals are pushing it.
It's almost bewildering,it makes your head spin.
- Last question, well you thinkit's gonna be a revolution?
There's such hatred anddivision being created
by this elite class,
that there might be arevolution of some kind?
- Well, I hope no morethan we've already had.
I mean, the election of President Trump
was a form of revolution.
I mean, Republicanvoters, voted for someone
the Republican Party despised
and that terrified the Democratic party.
So, that was a kind ofpolitical revolution.
I think in general, revolutions,
American Revolution beingthe great exception,
make things worse, that they're dangerous,
you don't know wherethey're gonna wind up.
And, so I hope not.
What I pray for is stabilityand calm and continuity,
what we've had for a couple hundred years.
I think that the onlyway we get back to that,
is if the people in chargestart paying attention
to the people whose lives they affect.
- Alright, one last question.
One of the very attractivenews people in our department
said Tucker used to wearthe cutest little bow ties
and he's not wearing them anymore.
I think I've got to get her an answer.
What happened to your bow ties, Tucker?
- It's very hard to walkthrough Penn Station in New York
wearing a bow tie withoutbeing challenged to a fight,
and I realized, in theend, it's not worth it,
it's too provocative.
- I'll give her that answer.
The book is called, Ship ofFools, it's an amazing story,
and some of the stuffin here will shock you.
What they're doing, but it's a best-seller
and you can find itwherever books are sold.
Tucker, thanks for beingwith us, God bless you.
- Thanks so much forhaving me, I appreciate it.