After two years in a Turkish prison, Andrew Brunson sits down with CBN News for an exclusive interview. Plus, a womanâ€™s new life springs out of years of rejection.
- [Narrator] The followingprogram is sponsored by CBN.
- [Gordon] Coming up, after two years
in a Turkish prison, AndrewBrunson is finally free.
The American pastor and his wife, Norine,
join us live.
And a broken childhood.
- There was so much drinking,people sleeping in your bed.
- [Gordon] To a chip on her shoulder.
- You could push me.
You could beat me.
You could do whatever you want,but I'm gonna get back up.
- [Gordon] One woman finds a new life.
- It was just wiped away.
- On today's 700 Club.
Well welcome to the 700 Club.
Pastor Andrew Brunson spent two years
as a prisoner of Turkey.
And as the Trump administrationfought for his release,
Christians around the worldprayed for his safety.
- They did indeed.
Those, (clears throat) excuse me,
those prayers were answered one week ago
when Pastor Brunson walkedfree from a Turkish courtroom
and into the Oval Officewith President Trump
the very next day.
Gary Lane brings us the story.
- From a Turkish prisonto the White House,
24 hours after Andrew Brunson's release
President Trump welcomed thepastor and his wife, Norine,
to the Oval Office.
Brunson expressed their appreciation.
- We especially wannathank the administration.
You really fought for us, unusually so.
- [Gary] Brunson's return homewas a long time in coming,
a two-year ordeal.
Turkish police arrestedthe North Carolina pastor
in October 2016, three monthsafter a failed coup attempt
against Turkey President Erdogan,
though Brunson served therefor more than 20 years,
where they establishedIzmir Resurrection Church.
They openly shared Christ andalso helped Syrian refugees,
some of them Kurds.
For that, the Turkishgovernment accused Brunson
of being a CIA agent, plottingwith Kurdish terrorists
to carry out the attempted coup.
Initially, the Turkish governmentsaid it would free Brunson
if the United States wouldsend the accused coup leader,
Fethullah Gulen, back to Turkey.
Fearing Gulen would be killed,
President Trump refused the exchange.
So Brunson remained incarcerated.
Last July, instead of releasing Brunson,
Turkish officials placedhim under house arrest.
Afterwards, PresidentTrump imposed sanctions
on two government officialsand pledged tougher sanctions
if Turkey did not free Brunson.
Christians around theworld continued to pray.
And on October 13th, 24hours after his release,
Andrew Brunson knelt andprayed for the President
who helped win his freedom.
- May he be a greatblessing to our country,
in Jesus' name, we bless you, Amen.
- Well Pastor Andrew and hiswife, Norine, are here with us.
And it's great to have you here.
- Thank you.- Welcome,
the answer to all our prayers.
And this is really a great moment for us.
Norine, let me begin with you.
I think Andrew's gettingall the headlines,
but you got put in prison too.
What was that like for you?
- It was a surprise.
We never saw that coming.
You know, at the time, it'sjust such an overwhelming thing
to have the doors locked very solidly.
Your phone is taken away.
No one knows where weare, what's gonna happen.
It was a state of emergencyat the time in Turkey,
and so I thought, are we going to--
- [Gordon] This is all aroundthe time of the coup, right?
- Right after it, yeah.
- And so this was partof that crackdown...
- Yes, yes.
- where Erdogan is saying,
"I'm going to get rid of allthe political opposition"?
- Yes, so when they had circledwhy we were being detained,
when they circled terrorism,
I thought, something is wrong here,
and I honestly wondered ifI'd see my kids ever again.
- Were you afraid for your safety?
- No, no.- Okay.
But you thought you would be
in prison the rest of your life?
- I didn't know.- You didn't know.
- That sounds dramatic, but you really...
At that time we didn't know.
- You got out 13 days later.
What was the first impulse?
What did you want to do right then?
- Actually, I wanted tonot be separated from him.
So that was very difficult forus, because we didn't know.
We really were pushing to stay together.
I didn't know where they would take him,
if I would know or not.
- Were you in the same prison?
- We were in the same cell.
They put us together.
- They put us together, okay.- I was the only woman.
It was actually aholding place and not a--
- They had a number ofISIS people in other cells.
- But they put us together.
I was the only woman there.
So that worked out well.
- She was arguing with themasking to stay with me.
So this is how much she loves me.
- (laughs) We didn't want to be separated.
- They were saying,"We're gonna let you go,"
and you were saying, "Pleaselet me stay in the cell"?
- Yes, "Let me stay with my husband,"
that's was what she was saying.
- We wanted to just not be separated.
We didn't know what was coming.
- [Gordon] Now you've got children, right?
- I do.- What are the ages?
- At the time it was 15, 18,
and our son had just turned 20.
He was turning 21 theday we were arrested.
- [Gordon] Wow.
- We were arrested on his birthday.
- Wow.- Yeah.
- We took that as sign from God
that He was involved inthe timing of our arrest.
- [Gordon] What happened to them?
I assume they were with you in Turkey.
- They were not.
- They were not, okay.- And I was very grateful
for that, they were all stateside.
So that was a stressful time for them,
because they didn'tknow what was happening.
Nobody could get to us.
We couldn't see a lawyer.
The US Consulate couldn't get to us.
- Yeah, that's a tough- And so there was just no
- announcement.- information.
- Mom and dad are in jail,and we don't know why.
- Right, so we had awindow, and we'd try to,
upstairs bars, but we wouldtry to hang something,
wash a T-shirt, hang it up there.
People would know we're still here,
because we were afraid that people
didn't know where we were.
- Wow, all right, Andrew,let me turn to you.
Norine gets out.
What's going throughyour mind, in your heart?
- My big fear was that Iwould be separated from her,
and it happened (laughs).
After that I was moved toanother detention center
and was in solitary for about 50 days.
And that was really difficult.
- And you didn't get to seeanyone during that time?
- No, over time theyallowed me to see someone.
And then they would putme back into solitary.
And we had never countedthe cost of going to prison.
We'd counted other costs.
Anybody who's working inchurch-planting in Turkey
is going to have threats.
We had death threats.
We had an attack on our church.
There was some danger at times, but I--
- Those were usuallyfrom Muslim extremists.
You weren't expectinganything from the Government.
- We weren't expectinganything from the government.
And no one had been put inprison for any period of time,
just for short periods of detention
when they were going to be deported.
So we had never counted the cost,
and I think that wasone of the issues for me
is it hadn't crossed my mind.
And I also, I think, I had a, maybe, naive
or idealistic view of whatgoing to prison would be like
from reading biographies,just that it's full of joy
and how wonderful to suffer for God.
And the truth is I often said,God, you got the wrong man.
You chose the wrong man forthis, because I'm very weak.
- [Gordon] Yeah, I'mnot built for suffering.
(Andrew and Gordon laugh)
- Not that suffering.- Certainly not
for prison, it's just I'd counted the cost
for other possibilities,but not for prison.
- Well during your time in prison
you got a copy of the Bible.
And then you started reallyreading Second Timothy
with a whole new light.
What, in particular, in Second Timothy?
- Well I think Paul, justpressing on and being faithful
to the end.
And this is what I began to pray.
The first year I was reallybroken down in many ways.
And things began to turnas I came to a point more
of surrendering and saying,God, if this is the role
You have for me to play,if this is what You want me
to be doing in Your service,then give me endurance
and perseverance so thatI can make it to the end,
because I feel very weak.
I can't, this has gonebeyond what I can handle,
the idea of being...
Now we look back and we say two years,
two years isn't that long, butwhen we're going through it,
they wanted to give methree life sentences,
aggravated life sentences,
which would mean solitary confinement
for the rest of my life.
So when we're in the midst of that,
we don't know what's ahead of us,
and that was the big difficulty.
Am I going to see my children again?
- Was there a particularverse from Second Timothy?
Was it endure hardshiplike a good soldier?
Was it everyone in Asia has abandoned me?
I'm being poured outlike a drink offering.
There are a number of 'em in there.
- Yeah, I think when hesays, "I've run the race.
"I've finished the race."
I thought, this is what I want.
I don't know how long this will go on,
maybe the rest of my life,but I wrote a song in prison
that I sang every day.
It's, I want to be found worthy
to stand before You on that day
with no regrets from cowardiceor things left undone.
And I began to pray, Lord,when I stand before You,
I don't wanna have regretsthat I didn't fully submit
and serve Your purposes in this.
So give me strength.
Give me endurance so thatI can make it to the end
and run the race well.
- Amen, amen.
Norine, you're out of prison.
You have an opportunity to leave Turkey,
'cause I assume you know there's a risk
you could be arrestedagain and used as, yet,
another bargaining chip by the government.
You chose not to, why?
- I needed to be there for him, yeah.
- [Gordon] How oftenwould you get to see him?
- Once a week when he was in prison.
While he was in the detention center,
they came to a point wherethey were letting me see him
- [Andrew] For a couple of weeks
that went on.- Yeah, and then in prison,
it was once a week.
- Once a week?- Mm-hm.
- So for two years, once a week?
- And it's through glass on a telephone,
35 minutes in one prison.
Then at another prisonit went up to an hour,
which was like heaven to me,
a whole hour every week!- An hour a week
I get to have my wife talk to me.
- But she had to come in andcarry my weight in many ways.
She was the only personwho could speak truth to me
and encourage me and correctmy wrong ways of thinking
and my panic.
So the Lord really usedher to keep me going.
- Norine, I understand that on the phone
you would put your hand on the glass
and start praying for him.
- Yeah.- Like this through the glass.
- Like this.- Like that.
- (laughs) Yeah.
- [Gordon] You couldn'ttouch, but you could contact
through the glass.
What would you pray?
- Every week I asked theLord, what can I bring to him?
What can I impart to him this week?
A lot of times it was the same thing,
but yeah, I did definitely try to do that.
And I would just go in almost,I don't wanna say defiantly,
but I would...
Sometimes I was very discouragedeven the night before.
What news do I have to give him?
What can I tell him to encourage him?
I don't have much.
I said, Lord, when I'm this discouraged,
how can I begin to encourage him?
But the Lord would give grace often,
and I would kind of hold my head up
and say, I'm a daughter of the King.
I'm going in to see a son of the King
and just go in verydeliberately like that.
But the Lord gave grace.
There were a lot of peoplepraying for us, as you know,
around the world.
We're so grateful to youall for keeping this going.
We're just amazed by the people,
the places that peopleare praying for us from.
So that was what held us up.
Secondly, I was tryingto just strengthen myself
in the Lord.
I did not get out of bedwithout lifting up my hands
saying, Lord, I'm holding Your hand.
You take me through this day.
I couldn't do it on my own.
So I need to strengthen myself
so I could help strengthen him.
- All right, take me to July this year.
Here, Jay Sekulow, AmericanCenter for Law and Justice,
had been working behind thescenes advocating for you.
The Trump administration seemsto have worked out a deal,
and you're expectingAndrew to get released.
- I don't know that I was expecting it.
- Oh, really?- There had been a number
of disappointments, andso I think you just try
to guard your heart.
- [Gordon] So you were--
- We really didn't know.
- You didn't know?- No, I didn't know.
- When it came out thathe wasn't released,
I know there was a shock
through the American Christian world.
We all expected that it wasfinally going to be over.
- We had hoped, and she hadpacked her bags several times.
- We tried to live in a state of
being somewhat prepared.- Things fell apart
- Okay, yeah, so it didn't crush you?
You weren't disappointed?
- I was (laughs).
- I mean, of course, we weredisappointed every time,
of course, but...
You know, it wasn't...
- Did you understandthat this was essentially
a hostage situation?
Did you understand thatyou were a bargaining chip?
- From the human side, yes,we became aware of that.
And then from the spiritual side,
we believe that God wasusing the situation.
And one of the ways, for example,
is that so many people around the world
who had never thought about Turkey before
have now prayed for Turkey.
And we believe that this was an investment
in the harvest that's going to come there.
- What are you seeing in Turkey right now?
'Cause I'm hearing the same thing,
that Turkey, that this is awhole new time for Turkey.
- [Andrew] It is.
- It's a difficult time.
And again, regarding hostage, or whatever,
we just say, he says, hisperspective was from the cell.
So we leave that to those who are dealing
in the administration government.
But we're looking moreat the spiritual side
and what this is doing, whatthis time is doing in Turkey.
The Lord has spoken to us very clearly
that there will be a harvest,spoke to him in 2009.
And everything has, sincethen, been a preparation
for harvest, every step thatwe've taken, very deliberate.
And I believe that his imprisonment
was another step in that.
- Did you ever think thatthe harvest would come
because you would be put in jail?
- I though it might come,it start in prisons.
And maybe why that's theLord wanted us there.
- We had received words before
that we would see the harvest,
but I said, oh, God, I never thought
that I'd be seeing it from inside prison.
That's not fair!
That's not what I expected.
But the harvest has not started yet,
but there's been a lotof prayer that's gone in.
And we see a lot of people now
because of the difficultiesTurkey has gone through.
Many people are starting tocome into our church saying,
"I'm no longer a Muslim.- They're seeking.
- "I've become a deist."
And we hadn't seen this before,
so people are starting to seek more.
- Do you identify morewith the Apostle Paul?
He saw a harvest from inside a jail cell.
I like to remind people thebulk of the New Testament
was written in a jail cell.
He wrote all his letters from there.
If he hadn't been in jail,he would have been talking
to people in person.
So it forced it.
Do you see that?
- I wouldn't mentionmyself in the same sentence
with the Apostle Paul, but Ithink I could relate to him
in some ways that other people can't.
Yeah, I only relate to himthat if he's the captain
of all sinners, well then I'mthe first lieutenant (laughs).
I'll let him have that position.
What's next for you guys?
Where are you going from here?
- We've been in missions for,
well we were in Turkey 25 years.
I have a missionarycalling, so does Norine.
We don't know where or how,
but that's what we want to be doing.
As I've said before, I'vebeen preaching Jesus Christ
for 25 years in Turkey.
I want to continue servingHim until the day I die.
- Do you realize theplatform you've been given?
'Cause here, 24 hoursafter you were in jail,
you're praying for thePresident of the United States.
- I also think of PresidentErdogan sat in the chair
next to President Trump,and President Trump asked
for my release.
And a year and a half later,I sat in the same chair.
- [Gordon] The same chair.
- Yes, so I thought that was appropriate.
- [Gordon] I thinkthat's very appropriate.
- But within 24 hours, itwas like a Joseph situation,
because a weak ago today Iwas standing before judges,
and they were clearly going to convict me
of being a terrorist.
And we didn't know how manyyears it would give me.
And then within 24 hours wewere praying for the president.
- To go back to your previous question,
Turkey is still in our hearts,
so we're, even now, just stillin contact with people there.
It will remain in ourhearts, whatever else we do.
- Well I would encourage you,there's plenty you can do
outside of Turkey that willhave impact inside Turkey.
- [Norine] Absolutely.
- And in today's Internetworld and connected world,
you don't physically have to be there.
And you can preach a lot in Turkey.
You've got a new platformand a new opportunity, yeah.
- Platforms are here oneday and gone the next.
And I think Jesus made it very simple.
Love God with all of yourheart and love other people.
So we know we can pursuethat wherever we are
whether we have the platform or not.
- I'll quote the Bible to you.
The door that God opens no one can shut.
- Amen.- Yes.
- It's not gonna go away.
You're gonna have an open door.
Nobody's gonna be able to shut this.
All right, well Andrew and Norine,
thank you for being with us.
They're wrapping us.
I could talk to you guys for a long time.
And I will.
We'll have more on 700 Club Interactive.
You can watch that on Monday.
Well we'll be back withtoday's hot top headlines
from CBN News.
Don't go away.
- And welcome back to The 700 Club.
The White House is givingSaudi Arabia more time
to investigate the disappearanceand suspected murder
of journalist Jamal Khashoggi.
Now Turkish officials suggesthis body may have been removed
from the Saudi Consulateand taken to another city.
And there are still questionsabout audio evidence
that Turks claim to have on the incident.
Jennifer Wishon is inWashington with more.
- Despite earlier reportsthat Turkish officials
played an audio recordingof Khashoggi's murder
for Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.
Both Turkey's foreignminister and Pompeo say
that didn't happen.
One important shift,though, the president now
all but confirms Jamal Khashoggi is dead.
- It certainly looks that way to me.
It's very sad.
- [Jennifer] He promisesvery severe consequences
if the Saudis are found tohave murdered Khashoggi.
Treasury Secretary StevenMnuchin has already pulled out
of a major Saudi investment conference.
17 days ago, the Washington Post reporter
entered the consulateand hasn't been seen.
Turkey released video of aso-called Saudi hit squad
entering the country shortlybefore Khashoggi's appointment.
And they claim to have an audio recording
confirming Khashoggi wastortured, killed, and dismembered.
This week, SecretaryPompeo met with both Saudi
and Turkish leaders.
Both countries areconducting investigations.
- We do believe thatbetween these two efforts
a complete picture will emerge
for what actually transpired here.
- [Jennifer] Some members of that team
are linked to Saudi CrownPrince Mohammed Bin Salman,
who's been credited withmaking positive changes
in the kingdom, but also ofincreasing authoritarian rule
and cracking down on dissidents.
- With such an unprecedentedtransfer of power
in the works in SaudiArabia, my understanding
is that Saudi authorities are hard-pressed
to find a way of savingface in this situation.
- [Jennifer] For Washington,it's a delicate balancing act.
Appearing on Faith Nation, CBNNews Chief Political Analyst
David Brody says the presidentwill approach his response
with leverage in mind.
- They have this arms deal.
We know about that, all right,
so that's a majorrelationship right there.
Beyond that, there's one word called oil.
They control the oil productionas it relates to OPEC.
They're basically the defactoleading member of OPEC.
And so you put all thattogether, and in Trump's mind,
he's thinking, wait a minute.
I gotta go careful on this,because I have relationships.
- President Trump warnsagainst rushing to judgment,
but says he wants to know what happened
and where the fault lies.
Jennifer Wishon, CBN News, Washington.
- The US has placed itsmain diplomatic mission
to the Palestinians under the authority
of the embassy in Israel.
Secretary of State Mike Pompeoannounced the move Thursday.
It means the mission will no longer have
its own separate channel to Washington.
Israel's ambassador DavidFriedman pushed for the change.
Critics say the merge willspark further conflict
between Israel and Palestine.
US and Mexican officialshave agreed on a plan
to handle the approaching migrant caravan.
Mexican officials askedthe UN high commissioner
for refugees to establish shelters
along its southern border.
UN officials at the shelters will decide
which ones have legitimateclaims for refugee status.
White House officials say
if an individual evades the new system
and reaches the US border,
Mexico will now allow therefugees to be returned to Mexico.
Up next here on The 700 Club,
one young woman's life-longbattle to run away
from the pain of her past.
- Loneliness, bitterness, resentment,
those feelings were surfacing for sure.
I did hear these voices of, "Who are you?
"You don't belong here."
- [Efrem] Hear how she found true freedom
and acceptance next.
- Well Janet Garcia bouncedaround from home to home,
and it didn't take long forher to become broken and lost.
Janet spent years looking for love
until a dramatic encounterchanged her life.
- [Narrator] After her parents divorced,
five-year-old Janet Garcia lived
with her out-of-control alcoholic mother.
- There was so much drinking.
There was wild parties.
People sleeping in your bed,
walking in on things like that.
- [Narrator] She spenther adolescent years
moving back and forth between her parents
where she experienced harshabuse from family members.
- You're stupid, and you'llnever amount to anything.
You'll be just like your mother.
And my mother at the time wasstill running around in town,
and she'd get in trouble.
Or she would show up and say,"Oh, I'm gonna get you back,"
and promised to take me back.
- [Narrator] Her mothernever followed through
with her promises.
In church, Janet's search for love
resulted in more feelings of rejection.
- I'm searching for something.
There must be something,
because I'm raising my hand every week
when they have the altarcall for salvation.
Eventually, I had fear thatsomebody was gonna point me out
and say, "You don't belong here."
- [Narrator] She stopped going to church,
and at 13, started drinkingwith friends to fit in.
In high school, Janet was finally placed
with a foster care family.
She thrived in a stable environment.
But when infidelity splitup her foster parents,
she was devastated.
- That loneliness, bitterness,resentment towards,
especially, your mom, I thinkthose feelings were surfacing
- [Narrator] Determined,Janet got into college
and worked several jobs to pay the bills,
the disappointment and pain ofher past driving her forward.
- I hated vacations and breaks,
because people would gohome to their family,
and I'd just stay there.
I'd stay working andtaking care of myself.
- [Narrator] Once out ofcollege, Janet decided
to join the Marines.
She hoped to get as farfrom home as possible
and prove she could take care of herself.
- You could push me.
You could beat me.
You could do whatever you want,but I'm gonna get back up.
- [Narrator] During hereight years in the military,
she attended church briefly.
But feelings of rejection fromchildhood often resurfaced.
- I recall going to church week after week
and feeling this bombardmentof guilt and shame.
And I just remember justcrying and crying and crying
in services during the worship time.
I did hear these voices of, "Who are you?
"You don't belong here."
- [Narrator] It wasn't untilshe met and married Frank
that she began to experiencereal love for the first time.
- My husband becamethat unconditional love
that I had been searching for for so long.
And he began to fillthose areas where love,
love was empty.
- [Narrator] When theirdaughter was born, they decided
to get connected in a local church
were they were welcomed with opened arms.
- The first visit, we were just embraced
by these loving and wonderful people,
and even being invited into their home
and just how nice they were
and just how loving and caring they were.
That's what drew me, was the people.
- [Narrator] Janet andher family got baptized
and attended the church faithfully.
But as she read her Bible andtried to grow in her faith,
she found it hard to measure up
to the congregation's many rules.
- I was still strugglingwith old memories.
Old feelings were surfacing.
I never felt free that Icould ever share these things
with people, because I felt like
they could have neverdone something like this
or even endured the things that I did.
- [Narrator] Janet continuedto pray and seek God
One day she was readinga book about a woman
who had a similar upbringing to hers.
- As I was reading her story,
she talked about writing all her sin down
and confessing it.
It was speaking right to me.
This is what you need to do.
- [Narrator] Janet took out a page
and wrote down and confessedall her sins to God.
- I had an encounter with Jesus.
I felt Him in the room.
I felt Him comfort me.
I felt His arms go fromthe top of my shoulders
to the ends of my elbow.
The scripture that came to mind
was My grace was sufficient for thee.
He was taking all thathurt and abandonment.
And every sin that I evercommitted was just wiped away.
- [Narrator] Janet felt anew life spring up in her.
- Things were looking different.
The word of God was lookingdifferent in my hand.
And I was getting veryserious about getting deeper
and deeper in a relationship
and understanding the Bible more.
- [Narrator] Janet andher family got connected
in a different churchwhere God's love continued
to work in her life allowingher to forgive her parents.
- And I'm so free toaccept so much forgiveness
in my heart towards them, but I love them.
Though nurturing and thatacceptance was severed
from early years, He's given that to me.
And now I can give it back to them,
because I know that theyneed it even in themselves.
- [Narrator] Today, Janet enjoys sharing
and encouraging others with her testimony
and helping them find whatshe has found in Christ.
- And that is what Jesus does.
He reconciles, and He restores.
He can heal just thedeepest part of your heart
that you would have neverimagined could be filled up
with His unconditional love.
- And the deepest part ofyour heart can be filled up
with His love.
Janet's story is a story of progress
where in this relationship with Him
you progress further and further,
and you allow the deepestrecesses of your heart
for Him to come into that.
So often we want to keep things from God
not knowing He already knows it all.
And even when He knows itall, He still loves you,
and loves you unconditionally.
What did Janet have to go through?
What were her processes?
Well first, she had to beconvinced that she could be loved.
And then in that, I love what she did.
She took out a piece of paper,
and here I'm going towrite all my sins down.
I need these things forgiven.
I need to get this out of my life.
And then she gets on her knees,and Jesus shows up for her.
He'll do that for you ifyou do that same thing.
And then she gets into this journey
reading the Bible daily, praying daily,
having relationship with Him daily.
And in that, He comesinto the deepest recesses
and shows her how much He loves her.
He'll do that for you ifyou do the same things,
if you take the same step.
How do you start?
What's the first step?
Invite Him in.
Just say, "God, I can't do this.
"I can't fix myself.
"I can't change myself."
Maybe you're like Janet,"Do You really love me?
"Could You show me?"
That first step is a prayer.
Then take that secondstep, write 'em down.
I encourage people to do that.
Get a clean account with God.
Get free from anythingthat's hindering you.
And as you write it down, confess it.
Ask for forgiveness for it.
You need to be free of these things.
And then do that third thing she did.
She walks with Him daily.
She reads the Bible daily.
When you do these things,you'll have the same experience.
Right now, if you wannastart, bow your head with me.
Let's pray a very simple prayer.
God will answer it.
He will show up for you rightnow if you just ask Him in.
Pray with me.
Jesus, that's right, just say His name.
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- Thanks, Gordon.
Well still ahead, he's apastor at one of the largest
and fastest-growing churches in America,
but it wasn't a smooth ride getting there.
Jarrett Stephens shareshow he climbed the mountain
when we come back.
- And welcome back to The 700 Club.
Pope Francis is consideringa trip to North Korea.
South Korean President MoonJae-in visited the pontiff
at the Vatican Thursday.
He conveyed North Koreanleader Kim Jong-un's desire
for a papal visit to North Korea.
Kim is expected to extendan official invitation soon.
Christianity is outlawed in North Korea
and believers face prison and even death
for practicing their faith.
Operation Blessing is onthe ground in Indonesia
providing safe watersolutions for families.
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many people were left with nowhere to go
and no safe water to drink.
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and was able to use a varietyof safe water solutions,
including purifiers tohelp solve the problem.
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in the earthquake and tsunami.
You can find out more aboutwhat Operation Blessing
is doing by visiting its website, ob.org.
Gordon and Wendy are back
with much more of today's 700 Club.
It's coming up right after this.
- Jarrett Stephens was just 17 years old
when he was asked to speak
at a Fellowship ofChristian Athletes event.
It was then and there that hefelt called to the ministry
even though at the timeJarrett was holding on
to his secret.
- [Narrator] Jarrett Stephensis the teaching pastor
at Prestonwood BaptistChurch, one of the largest
and fastest-growingmegachurches in North America.
While it looks like thepinnacle of success today,
Jarrett had to overcomeinsurmountable odds.
He was sexually abused byhis coach for four years,
beginning when he was eight years old.
Through the dark times, Jarrett learned
that God was with him.
In his book, The Mountains are Calling,
Jarrett shares how God usedhis brokenness to help others
and how He can do the same for you.
- Jarrett Stephens is here with us now,
and we welcome him to our show.
Jarrett, it's great to meet you.
And I have to tell you, the title,
The Mountains are Calling,really spoke to me,
because I love, love mountains.
And I know your book is morethan just about mountains,
but first of all, let'sget into this secret
that you were keeping for a decade.
What was it, and how did it start?
- Well thanks so much for having me.
And I write about this inchapter three of the book
on Elijah on Mount Carmel.
And the secret that I was carrying around
was I was sexually abused by a coach
from the ages of eight to12 and never told a soul
just for all the reasons thatyou hear, I would imagine,
the shame of it, not knowingif people would believe me,
what would happen then?
And so carried that with me
till my freshman year of college.
And I was serving at mychurch, at my home church.
And the Lord just reallybegan to deal with me on this,
saying, "Man, we've gottaget what is dark in your life
"into light if you ever want healing,
"if you ever wanna move on."
And so that's when I began dealing with it
and the process of comingforward and speaking about it.
- Wow, you were so young,eight to 12 years old.
Did you ever consider...?
Well you did consider telling your dad,
but you didn't, why not?
- Well, you know, I was scared.
One, I always said to myself this.
If it happened to somebodyelse, and they came forward,
I would come and affirm it.
And that way we could lockand throw away the key,
so to speak, but thatperson never came forward.
And so, again, at 19 I wasdriving into work one day,
and I can remember seeing that coach
that had been my coach allthose years driving in a car.
He had two kids in his car.
I knew what was going on.
And so then I thought,okay, Lord, it's time.
I've gotta say something.
And so that started the whole process.
- Yeah, and how did you speak up?
I mean, what happened?- Yeah.
Well we're all gratefulfor people in our life
that we can trust, andthat's what I wanted to do.
I wanted to go to a person that I trusted.
So I went to my student pastor at church.
And I said, listen I'mgonna tell you something
that I've never told anybody.
And it came with a lotof prayer, obviously.
I was scared to death.
And so I came to him and told him,
and he did something that was really wise.
He said, "Jarrett, you're 19 years old.
"You don't have to tell a soul."
He said, "But what I'mgonna encourage you to do
"is tell your parents."
And I had told the Lord in prayer, I said,
you know, if I come forwardand share this secret,
it's bigger than me.
I'm just gonna do what thenext person asks me to do.
And so that's really what happened.
I told my student pastor.
He said, "I think youshould tell your parents."
I told my parents, whichobviously broke their heart.
That was a tough day,very freeing day for me,
because I had gotten this secret out.
But then from there told the authorities,
because that's what my parents told me.
And it just started a journey for us
of getting it out in the open.
- Did this person pay fortheir crime, so to speak.
- They did.
He did, he did.
And you know, it was a big thing.
I grew up in a small town in Louisiana,
a relatively small town.
And so this coach had been involved
in the sports leaguesfor a number of years,
so you can imagine the number of kids
that he had coached.
And when I was staying over athis house or his lake house,
that's where the events wouldoccur, I was never by myself.
It was always with a group of friends.
And so we knew that I was not the only one
this had happened to.
And so it was a bigevent in our community.
And once we came forward,we were family friends
with the police chief there at the town.
And so when I told myparents on a Wednesday night,
I had the police chief inmy house on a Sunday night.
And he said, "Jarrett,we're gonna get him.
"We're gonna go after him," and they did.
- All right, well you talkabout, of course, mountains
in your new book, TheMountains are Calling.
You start with this famousquote from John Muir,
which is one of my favorites,
"The mountains arecalling, and I must go."
Why did you start with that?
- Well I was not familiar with John Muir
until a person that wasworking on the project
put me on to him.
And you read that quote, andhe says, "and I must go."
And it's this idea of he'sgonna go to the mountains,
and he's gonna discover what's there
with the intent purposes ofbringing back to the people
what he's discovered.
- I never knew, until yourbook, the rest of that quote.
I thought that was the entire quote,
"The mountains arecalling, and I must go."
But then he says, "Go,discover, and learn,
"and bring back things."- That's right,
to bring back what he's discovered.
And so I thought, you know what?
That's exactly what themountains in scripture teach us.
God takes us to theseepic events in scripture
that we know of, Abraham and Mount Moriah,
Moses at Mount Sinai, Elijah at Carmel,
Jesus, the Mount of Transfiguration.
I could go on and on and on.
But what is He doing?
He wants to take us tothese mountaintop moments
in scripture, teach usso that we can bring down
what we've learned there to others.
- And you relate someof what you went through
in your brokenness towhat the prophet Elijah
went through.- Yeah.
That's amazing.- And his brokenness.
- Absolutely, it was amazingin studying his story,
First King 17, we'reall familiar with Elijah
calling down fire from above.
We love that story.
Take me to the mountain tocall down fire from God.
But what we don't realize is that
before Elijah ever gets to Mount Carmel,
he's led by God to a place called Cherith
and a place called Zarephath.
Cherith in the Hebrewmeans to be cut down.
Zarephath means to be melted or to smelt.
And so it's just a processthat we go through.
It's been said, "Godcan't use someone greatly
"until he's been hurt deeply."
And we wanna get to the mountain sometimes
to call down fire, but it'simportant to understand
sometimes we have to gothrough Cherith and Zarephath,
cutting down and smelting and melting.
- Yeah, that's no fun.
I love the mountaintops, but the valleys,
you talk about the valleys that we have.
You have to go through thevalleys if you're gonna get
to the mountaintops, right?
And we oftentimes think ofvalleys as low times in life.
I mean, the audiencethat's watching us today,
they probably think, "Man,the closest I've ever been
"to God is not on the mountaintop.
"It's been down in the valley.
"I've sensed His presence."
We know Psalm 34:17-18,He's near to brokenhearted,
saves those who are contrite in spirit.
And so one of the chapters Iwasn't intending on writing,
but became very beautifulto me just in studying it,
was the Garden of Gethsemane.
For this, we would say thiswas a valley moment for Jesus.
Here He is being denied.
He's about to be arrested,betrayed, left abandoned
by His disciples and yetin that moment of crushing
there in the Garden of Gethsemane,
God sends His angels to be with Him.
But I just thought it was very picturesque
that the Garden of Gethsemane,
I've had the privilege of going to Israel
a number of times, and theGarden of Gethsemane's located
on the Mountain of Olive, Mount Olivet.
And so in it, interesting,that if you think about valleys
as low times in life, yes they are.
But if we're talking aboutthe mountaintop moments
as being a sense where the presence of God
is palatable and near,
sometimes as we get out of those valleys
and look back at 'em after time,
we think, man, that'sa mountaintop moment.
- Okay, what's yourfavorite mountain to climb?
- Oh, man, that's a good question.
- [Wendy] Like real mountain.
- Real mountain to climb,well we go to Red River.
- [Wendy] You're in flat lands.
You're in Texas.- Yeah, we are very flat land.
There are hills there, no mountains.
But probably, my family, wevacation in Colorado every year.
We go to a place calledSky Ranch Family Camp.
And there's a great mountainthere that we climb.
And so it's great.- Well you can't write a book
with this title and notclimb some high mountains.
- Yeah.- And I'm not bragging,
but I have been to the top of Kilimanjaro.
- I can't even imagine.- I'm just saying.
- I've watched movies
(Wendy laughing)and documentaries
about Kilimanjaro and Mount Everest.
I don't think I couldever do it physically.
- You could do it.- But I have watched
the documentaries.- If you can climb
a fourteener in Colorado,
you can climb Kilimanjaro.- You can do it.
Trust me.- Oh, my goodness.
I can't even imagine.
- Well great book, thanks so much.
- Thank you so much.
- Jarrett Stephens, well for more on this,
you can check out his new book.
It's called The Mountains are Calling,
and it's available in stores nationwide.
Well still ahead, a community rebuilds
after being leveled bya massive earthquake.
We'll go on the groundfor the recovery effort
when we come back.
- Well when a 7.5 magnitudeearthquake struck Indonesia
a few weeks ago, it triggereda tsunami, flattened homes,
cracked open roads, andforced a young girl named Efa
to run for her life.
- [Narrator] When theearthquake hit Indonesia,
Efa was home making a rice cake.
- [Translator] Treesand electric poles fell.
I listened to my papa.
He told me to run through the garden,
because the road was cracking open.
- [Narrator] After the earthquake,
people in Efa's villagestarted getting water
from a nearby canal.
It looks clean but the water is polluted
and not fit for drinking.
In Indonesia, Operation Blessing
is known as Obor Berkat.
We saw the need in Efa's village,
so we took them a truckload of water.
That's just one of manythings Operation Blessing
is doing here for earthquakeand tsunami victims.
- We're feeding people.
We have medical teams on theground attending patients
every day in the different camps.
We're also treating injuries caused
by water-borne disease thatis the most common illness
right now here.
We also brought some solarequipment, solar lamps,
because most of the camp,they have no electricity.
And the water equipment that we brought
to sanitize and purifythe water is saving lives.
- [Narrator] In thisdevastated part of Indonesia,
Operation Blessing ishelping thousands of people
struggling in the aftermathof the earthquake and tsunami.
In Efa's village, their mostimmediate need is water.
- [Translator] Thankyou, Operation Blessing,
for bringing fresh clean water.
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Well we're going to be back with more
of the epic climb of MountKilimanjaro with Wendy
right after this.(Wendy laughing)
- Well today is the final day
of our Pray for America campaign,
but we wanna encourage you tokeep praying for our country,
especially as we head towardsthe midterm elections.
We also wanna thank everyone
who sent in their personal prayer requests
over the last few weeks.
And we are going to prayfor them right now, Gordon.
- Yes, we are, I've got onehere, salvation for my family,
three children, six grandchildren,
eight great-grandchildren,and let's pray for that.
Here's one to be healed of lung cancer.
And then another one, eyesto be healed of glaucoma.
- Okay, here's one, God'scovering and success
for our mission trip to Peru,
that I be healed of a heart blockage,
and that our son behealed of a non-surgical,
non-cancerous brain tumor.
So we'll definitely
be praying for these.- All right, let's pray.
Join with us, and we'repraying for America.
We're praying for you.
And let's just join together.
Lord, we lift up America to You.
And Lord, we just ask formercy over our nation.
We seem to be so divided.
And without You, there's noway to bridge these gaps.
So we ask that You wouldcome in and be the bridge,
that we would once again be one nation,
indivisible under God, withliberty and justice for all.
Lord, let not this be aspirational.
Let it be real in America today.
Heal our land, Lord God.
And for these prayerrequests that have come in,
we lift them to you.
And we know and we declare over them
that You are the healer.
You are the provider.
You are the Savior.
You are the answer to every human need.
Lord, when it seems impossible for us,
it's always possible for You.
So we believe now,touching these requests.
Stretch forth Your hand to do miracles,
for we ask it in Jesus' name.
Wendy, God's given you something.
- There's someone watching from jail,
and you saw how Pastor Brunsonwas just freed miraculously
from a Turkish prison.
And God is going to free you.
You are innocent, andyou are going to be free.
And Lord, we just thankyou for your miracles
in Jesus' name.
- Lord, we thank You.
We thank You for Yourprotection in Jesus' name, amen.
- Amen.- And amen.
Keep praying for America.
We've got a very importantelection coming up.
I do hope you're registered to vote.
And I do hope you intend to vote.
We need to have fullparticipation from all members
of society, all citizens.
It's a wonderful right wehave to vote for our leaders,
so let's do that.
Let's make sure you turn out and vote.
Here's a word from Psalms for you.
This is from Psalm 103.
Let all that I am...
Isn't that incredible?
Let all that I am praise the Lord.
May I never forget thegood things He does for me.
In these turbulent times, let's remember,
God has seen us througha whole lot as a nation.
He will see us through again.
Let us never forget, andlet everything within us
praise the Lord.
For Wendy, for me, for allof us here, God bless you.
We'll see you next week.