- Welcome to FaithNation, I'm Jenna Browder.
- And I'm John Jessup.
Well, it was one week ago today
that Pastor Andrew Brunson was released
after being detained inTurkey for over two years.
- And during that time
he faced both prison and house arrest.
But now he is back home in America.
- Senior internationalcorrespondent, George Thomas,
got the chance to speakwith Andrew Brunson
and his wife today, andhe joins us now with more.
- Pretty dramatic day here at CBN.
After being held as a prisoner in Turkey,
Pastor Brunson went from acourtroom to the Oval Office
in little less than 24 hours.
The world watched as hethanked President Trump
and then knelt down to pray for him.
The pastor's journeybegan two long years ago
when Turkish officials detained Brunson
and charged him with tryingto overthrow the government.
I asked him about that experience
and how God got him through.
Andrew how did God sustainyou these last 18 months?
- Well, (chuckles) I think,
through the prayers of God's people,
what I've said to my wife,
I'd said, where is all the grace
that I expected to comepouring out from these,
obviously many people arepraying, where's the grace?
And what I found is that Godwas taking me a different route
and was not letting mefeel or sense the grace
that is there that's sustaining me.
And so I say it was like an unfelt grace,
an unseen race.
But then, as I look back
on the things he brought me through,
and I realized my incredible weakness,
then I say, oh, he wasthere the whole time.
He was carrying me through.
The grace was there.
I just didn't sense it.
- Did you ever lose hope?
- Oh yes, especially the first year.
I was really broken.
A number of times I lost hope
and that's where I came to a point
where I had to look away from hope
and more towards submission.
And the point of thesubmission was saying God,
if this is what you have for me,
I don't have the strength to do this.
I can't endure in prisonlong term for years.
I don't want to, but if thisis what you have for me,
then I want to serve your purposes,
but then I need you to strengthen me.
I need you to pour into me the courage,
the strength, the perseverance,the steadfastness of Jesus,
because I don't have it.
So every day I would pray for this.
My cry was I want to be found worthy
to stand before you onthat day without regrets
from things left undone from cowardice.
So I don't want to be a coward.
I don't want to leave undone
the assignment that you've given me,
but I need your strength for it.
- Norine you were in prisonwith Andrew for 13 days
then they let you go.
What got you through those 18 months,
when you only had a chanceto see Andrew once a week,
for 35 minutes, it thengot extended to an hour,
but what got you through?
- Yeah, again, first of all,
the prayers of people around the world
some were especially touching to us.
All prayers were wonderful.
We were really touched by theprayers of the Turkish church.
We were touched by theprayers of Iranians, Chinese,
these are suffering churches,
and to know that they are praying for us
was just very humbling.
There's no question
that we were carried on a wave of Prayer.
Yeah, secondly, is justpressing into the Lord.
Difficult times, that's what we do, right,
we have to press into the Lord a lot more.
- And I'm sure that there were days
when you were gettingready to see your husband,
once a week that you were weak
and you--- Absolutely, absolutely.
- And in some ways you had to,
did you have to dig deep inorder to be there for him.
So it was hard to get up in the morning.
Every morning I was justvery slow to wake up.
I'd sleep well at night, but I wake up
and I'm back in this again
and very slow to start my day,
but I had to just start itwith the Lord definitely.
Certain things I would pray through.
It wasn't a rope thing.
It was fresh every day 'causeI knew how much I needed it.
And it actually, there was a shift from,
Lord walk through this daywith me, to Lord you lead me.
We're still walking together,
but you lead me through this day.
So definitely spending alot of time in his presence,
sometimes just sitting quietly,
'cause I thought what can I say Lord,
but definitely holding on to him.
- We as Christian World News,
we were reporting on yourplight for a very long time.
Literally, there were people
in some of the mostdifficult parts of the world,
whether it's Afghanistan,Iran, China, Saudi Arabia,
all around the world,
believers who were facingtremendous challenges,
but they knew your story and they prayed.
How does that make you feel?
- Well, I never feltworthy of this prayer.
It was astounding to me,as Norine would tell me,
I'm very isolated in prison.
But Noreen would tell methese people are praying here,
they're praying in this other country.
And I'm thinking why, why?
Because we were in a corner ofTurkey ministering for years
in relative obscurity,
why should all thesepeople be praying for me?
And I came to see
that the Lord was doingsomething much bigger
than just dealing with me,
that he was gathering prayer, I think,
for Turkey for the purposesthat he has for that country
and also in the Middle East.
So I think I'm a littlepart of something very big
that God is doing
and that's why God raisedawareness in other countries
and had people praying for us.
- Thank you for coming on the show.
- [The Brunsons] Thank you.
- Well George, afterinterviewing the Brunsons,
so what was your big takeaway?
- I think just therawness of their emotions.
Look, it's a week later,
but you can sense fromboth Norine and Andrew
that this has really changed their lives,
changed their lives forever,
but more so that one year,that first year in prison,
for Andrew was very difficult.
As he said to me, I lost hope,in the sense of I was broken,
but after a year, and incidentally,
somehow somebody managed tosmuggle a Mike Bickle book,
Mike Bickle is from InternationalHouse of Prayer in Kansas,
and there was this prayer book
that he was able to gothrough the second year.
And he said that was a turning point,
to be able to have some hope
in the midst of what seemed to be
a very, very uncertain future.
- George, first of all, great interview.
Inspiring couple here.
I know they've only been back for a week,
so what's the readjustmentprocess been like
and is there any indication
of what they plan for the future?
- Yeah, I've never been held hostage.
I've never, well, I have spentsome time in a small prison,
but not for a very long duration.
I have faced wars and so forth,
but I can just imagine thetrauma that they are experiencing
and the challenges of what he went through
and what Norine went through.
Andrew mentioned that he would liked
he and Noreen were thinkingabout going to Kansas,
to IHOP's spend five sixmonths, just just downloading,
just being able to rest andto regroup and to recharge.
And so that's gonna be somepart of the trauma counseling
that they are going to haveto go through in the process.
George, you cover Christianpersecution and so well.
Turkey, it's obviously very bad there.
Where else are we seeing
really terrible persecutionagainst Christians?
- Well, Open Doors, for several years,
has said the number oneplace that's the worst place
for Christians in the worldis North Korea, no doubt,
but I think, what's happening in China
is very, very disconcerting.
I've been going therefor the last 20 years.
And China, at the current growth rate is,
they say it's going to bethe largest Christian country
in the world.
But what has happened since Xi Jingping,
the president of China,since he has come to power,
he has really cracked down on Christianity
and the church movement
and they are under tremendous pressure,
but it is nothing new to them.
They have suffered for 50 plus years,
but they are entering a whole new phase
that we need to continueto pray like never before
for the church in China.
- George Thomas, thanks so much.
- You're welcome.
- Well, the Trump administration
will relocate its DiplomaticMission to Palestinians
Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo,
says it will now be under the authority
of the US Embassy in Jerusalem,
CBN's White Housecorrespondent, Ben Kennedy,
joins us from the North Lawn.
Ben, how big of a deal really is this
and what are the practicalimplications here?
- Well John, Pompeo says themerge does not alter US policy.
Yes, it does mean the diplomaticmission to the Palestinians
won't have its own separatechannel to Washington,
as the new Palestinian AffairsUnit will be located inside
the US Embassy in Jerusalem.
The Secretary of State tweeted,
"This will improveefficiency and effectiveness.
Israel Ambassador DavidFriedman, pushed for the change.
Now, critics say the mergewill spark further conflict
between Israel and the Palestinians.
of the PalestinianLiberation Organization,
Saeb Erekat, said the moverewards Israeli violations
and crimes, adding thatthe Trump administration
is making clear thatit is working together
with the Israeli governmentto impose greater Israel
rather than a two-statesolution on the 1967 border.
The US administration has fully endorsed
the Israeli narrative,including on Jerusalem,
refugees and even settlements.
Senior adviser to thePalestinian Authority,
called it a quote, very bad decision.
Now, in September, the WhiteHouse closed the PLO's office
right here in DC, in part for its refusal
to enter into peacenegotiations with Israel.
- Ben, thanks so much.
- All right.
And joining us now is David Brody,
our chief political analyst.
David, the Trump administration,
in the eyes of a lot ofChristians, is really on a roll.
We talked about PastorBrunson, with Israel
and what Ben was just talking about,
the Supreme Court thoseare just to name a few.
Do you think that all of these wins
will be enough to reallymobilize evangelicals
come November in the midterms?
- Well, I think it's all part of a package
that they, and I say they,these are evangelical groups,
they are selling across the country.
So the Family ResearchCouncil has this bus tour,
The Values Voter Bus Tour,or whatever they call it.
It's something along those lines.
The Faith and FreedomCoalition Ralph Reed's group,
David Lane and his groups,
out in California in the West Coast
so they're all kind ofpackaging all of this.
There is Brunson and andKavanaugh and all of that,
the embassy for sure, justsaying that all of this, is gone,
when I say gone, the futureof these type of big moves
will be gone if theDemocrats take control.
And so I think that'sthe big thing to watch.
Now I will say this, thatwhat I'm hearing on the ground
is that Montana, North Dakota, Tennessee,
big states where evangelicalgroups are mobilized
and even with the Brett Kavanaugh bounce,
we have the Brett bounce right?
- Mm-hmm.- In North Carolina,
one of my source is telling me,
on the ground in North Carolina
that after the Kavanaugh hearings,
80 folks that were not Republicansthen decided to register,
and become Republicans,
80 people within two days afterthe Kavanaugh confirmation.
They believe, they,these evangelical groups,
believe that is a bit of ananecdotal story to say hey,
there's something afootsomewhere in these states.
- Speaking of evangelicals,there is a new study out
that digs a little deeperinto that 81% figure
that we hear often, anastounding 81% of evangelicals
voted in favor of Trump.
But if you dig a littledeeper in the numbers,
and I know I saw something that said,
it's really evangelical white men,
really support Trump moreso than any other group.
Tell us how these numbers
might affect the midterm elections.
- Yeah, this was theBilly Graham Institute
along with LifeWay Research.
They did some numbers.
Now just to clarify,
we always say 81% of whiteevangelicals voted for Trump.
Well, not really.
81% of white evangelicalsthat showed up to vote,
voted for Donald Trump.
So, in other words,
half of evangelicals don'teven vote in this country.
So of the ones that actually voted,
81% of those voted for Trump.
- And we should point out the electorate,
in any any election, general, midterm,
about 26% of the electorateis actually the evangelical--
- That's right.- Community.
- That's right.
They're gonna have to benorth of that for sure
to win in 2016.
Anyhow, so bottom line is,
is that this survey basically said
that wasn't really all about Trump.
A lot of people were holding their nose.
A lot of people say just not for Hillary
and if you kind of digdown into that 81% number,
becomes a lot less in termsof this fervent support
Just because you hear81% of white evangelicals
doesn't necessarily mean thatthey're all gung-ho for Trump.
- Yeah, we've seen in the past David,
the Republican NationalCommittee be very helpful
toward the Republican Partyand toward President Trump.
What's kind of yoursense this time around,
are they really mobilizing evangelicals?
- It seems like it'sdifferent this time around.
There's a new guy at the helm
at the Republican National Committee.
Good guy and everything,
but there was a guy beforethat, Chad Connelly,
who had a big time pastor network there.
What I'm hearing is,
and I'll give you aquick anecdotal example,
Marsha Blackburn in Tennessee.
She was there in a certaincity, I won't name the city,
but she was in a city, did an event,
in that same city was a big750-pastor event as well,
they never showed up.
Marsha Blackburn never showedup at this pastor event.
The point being is that the RNC may,
and will have to get some moreclarification from the RNC,
why she didn't show up,but the bottom line is,
how do you pass up an opportunity
not to talk to 750 pastorsin Tennessee, got to do it.
So dotting Is, crossing Ts,
will be interesting tosee if the RNC can do it.
- Those are the votersthat they definitely need.
- Chief political analyst, David Brody,
thank you so much.- Thanks guys.
- Thanks David.
Well, the Justice Departmenthas charged a Russian woman
for allegedly trying to interferein the midterm elections.
It's the first such federalcase against a foreign national
ahead of the 2018 vote.
The 44-year-old is charged with conspiracy
to defraud the United States,
stemming from what theJustice Department says
was an effort to sway publicopinion through social media.
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- Up next, the latest on thedisappearance of journalist,
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Secretary of State Mike Pompeo
is denying media reportsthat say he listened to
and read the transcriptof the interrogation
and apparent murder ofcolumnist Jamal Khashoggi,
inside the Saudi consulate in Turkey.
- Meanwhile, US officialscontinue to wait for Saudi
and Turkish authorities towrap up their investigations.
CBN's national securitycorrespondent Erik Rosales,
joins us now with the latest, Erik.
- Well, John and Jenna, it's been 17 days
since The Washington Post journalist
was last seen entering theSaudi Arabian consulate.
While Turkey officialsare increasingly convinced
that the Saudi prince wasinvolved in the death,
Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo,
is urging everyone,including The President,
not to rush to judgment.
The president is weighing in
on the death of Jamal Khashoggi again,
this time defendinghis Secretary of State,
saying on Twitter that Mike Pompeo
was never given or showna transcript or video,
of the reported murder of Khashoggi.
That's the same thingPompeo told reporters
on his way back to Washington
after his trip to the Middle East.
Turkish news agencies reported
prosecutors are questioning employees
at the Saudi consulate.
Turkish officials said investigators
are now searching multiple locations,
including a forest on theoutskirts of Istanbul,
where the remains ofthe missing journalists
may have been dumped.
Meanwhile, readers are still reacting
after The WashingtonPost published last words
Khashoggi ever wrote,
saying Arab governmentshave been given free rein
to continue silencing themedia at an increased rate.
Those words submitted to his editor,
a day after he wasreported missing in Turkey.
It's believed Khashoggi's fight
against government censorship
may have led to his disappearance.
Secretary Pompeo saysboth Turkey and the Saudis
have personally promised a complete
and thorough investigation.
- They made clear to methat they to understand
the serious nature of thedisappearance of Mr. Khashoggi.
They also assured me thatthey will conduct a complete,
- [Erik] And president Trumpthreatens severe consequences
if the Saudis are foundresponsible for the murder.
- Well, it'll have to be very severe.
It's bad, bad stuff.
- The trouble is for us,
that most of the things thatpeople like Turki Al Faisal,
and like Jamal Khashoggi, andfor that matter before them,
Osama bin Laden didn'tlike about Saudi Arabia,
are things that we like.
- [Erik] Frank Gaffney,
president of the Centerfor Security Policy says,
the Saudis have beenhelpful to the United States
from threats in the Middle East,
mainly the government of Iran.
They push back againstthe Muslim Brotherhood,
which Gaffney says isa threat to the West.
Gaffney believes President Trump
cannot allow our enemies to step in
if we come down hard onthe Saudi government.
- Whether it's the Iranians,
whether it's the Muslim Brotherhood,
whether it's the Turks,whether it's the Qataris,
these are the sorts of people,
we should be punishingas well in my judgment.
- This is a very complicated issue.
Let's face it, the United States
doesn't have a lot offriends in the Middle East
and while it's importantto send a strong message
that the killing of a journalist is wrong,
Saudi Arabia is a very closepartner to the United States,
plus Saudi Arabia's location gives the US
strategic advantages incombating the threat of Isis.
- All right, thank you Eric.
Well, continuing theirpush toward the US border,
migrants from Guatemala
forced their way througha gate breaking through.
Meanwhile, US and Mexican officials
have agreed on a plan tohandle the approaching Caravan
headed toward the border.
asked the UN HigherCommission for Refugees
to establish sheltersalong its southern border.
UN officials at the shelters
will decide which oneshave legitimate claims
for refugee status.
White House officials say
if an individual evades the new system
and reaches the US border,
Mexico will now allow therefugees to be returned to Mexico.
- Well, when it comes tothe immigration debate,
the Bible has been used extensively
by people from a variety of perspectives
to support their views.
- That's right, JenniferWishon spoke with a man
who leads a weekly Bible study
with top administration officials.
He says the Bible offers cleardirection on immigration.
- Ralph Drollinger is one of the nation's
most influential evangelical leaders.
Each week he leads congressmen, senators
and members of President Trump'scabinet through the Bible,
book by book, verse by verse.
Immigration policy he says,
is a perfect example of whya contextual understanding
of the Bible is so important.
- Well, it's interesting
how you can parachute in on a passage
and almost make it whateveryou wanna make it to be.
It's what we call inseminary circles, eisegesis,
where you isolate a passageand you read into it
your own preconceptions.
- [Jennifer] For instance, hesays the use of Matthew 19:14,
where Jesus says let thelittle children come to me
is about salvation, as opposedto God favoring children
over the laws of the state.
Drollinger says lawmakers
are correct to cite Romans chapter 13,
when discussing enforcementof US immigration law.
- The primary ordinationpurpose by God of the state
is to carry the sword
so that people have a senseof fear in a fallen world
to not do wrong and that'sthe point of Romans 13:4.
Now that almost soundsharsh in today's world,
but it's the idea thatthere are consequences
to evil actions.
And if there's not, then allhell breaks loose in a country.
And you can see even likewhen we have a tornado,
or a hurricane and all of asudden the government goes down
in the South, you can seeall kinds of robbery occur
and the actual fallen, depravednature of man comes out
when there's no sense ofretribution for his evil actions.
- [Jennifer] Understanding the Bible
in its entirety he says,
helps believers in governmentbetter understand their duties
- The people I teach the Bible to,
they have to know this stuff
in order to be true personally obediently
to Scripture themselves,
but also just to do their job
as they would be enforcingthe laws of the country.
- [Jennifer] JenniferWishon CBN News, Washington.
- Coming up, how somemillennials are using technology
for the sake of The Gospel.
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Well, finally tonight anew high-tech approach
recently let thousands of young Christians
spread the gospel together,even though Jenna,
they were thousands of miles apart.
- Yeah, it's very cool.
Paul Strand traveled toDenver to bring us the story.
- Teams were witnessing to the lost
all over America this past weekend,
brought together by a nationwide simulcast
originating out of here ina church in Denver Colorado.
It was put on by Dare 2 Share,
a group whose goal is to seeevery teenager in the country
evangelized by their fellow teens.
Ciara Abeyta and her witnessing pals
ended up giving the giftof eternity to a woman
than a half-dozenhomeless people this day.
- We told her about Jesus
and she accepted Jesus there on the spot.
The people were reallythankful that we were there
and they felt so blessed
and they all accepted Jesusright then, and there.
- Dare 2 Share founder Greg Stier,
said teens in more than 90towns took to the streets
and used the simulcast
to instantaneously sharetheir witnessing adventures
and encourage one another to be brave.
- Listen, it doesn'tmatter if you're scared,
you have the Holy Spirit of God,
who's dwelling inside of you,
and he will give you power.
Jesus said you would receive power
when the Holy Spirit comes on you
and you will be my witnesses
so yield to the spirit,open up your mouth,
let her rip and God willtake care of the rest.
- Go for it.
The hardest part is the first part
where you're really nervousabout going up to people.
But once you get past thatblockage, it just flows from you
and God just works through you.
- [Paul] Stier says God wants to use
this high-tech interconnectedness of today
to mightily multiply believer's witness.
- Christians are like, welltechnology's of the devil,
Mike you know what,
there's a story in the OldTestament about Benaiah,
who's the bodyguard of King David.
And he went up against anEgyptian of a 7-foot tall
with nothing but a club.
And that Egyptian had a big spear
and he grabbed that spearfrom the Egyptians hands
and stabbed him with his own spear.
Well, you know what, wecan take the technology
that Satan has used for evil
and stab him with his own technology
and advance the kingdom of God.
- [Paul] One highlight of this simulcast,
was 77 year old crosscarrier Arthur Blessed,
passing his anointing
and the cross heshouldered across the world
to America's teenagers.
The simulcast alsofeatured dozens of bands
throughout the land,
all playing the same worshipsongs, at the very same time.
Then, those 90-somelocations all bowed together
in a nationwide prayer.
This would just be a start,
that this would ignite thespreading of Jesus name and love
from one end of the country to the other.
Paul Strand, CBN News,reporting from Denver Colorado.
- Well, Paul found ayoung generation of people
who are bold about their faith.
- I love it.
I'd love to see stories like that.
- Yeah, amazing.
They had a great time
in Denver no doubt.- Mm-hmm.
- Well, thanks for watching (sniggers)
that's gonna do it fortonight's Faith Nation.
- (laughs) Have a great weekend.