- Welcome to FaithNation, I'm Jenna Browder.
- And I'm John Jessup.
Well, Jenna, with just 14 daysuntil the midterm elections,
both parties are workingoverdrive to get out the vote.
- That's because there isso much at stake this cycle.
All 435 members of the U.S.House are up for re-election
and over in the Senate,33 seats are in play,
26 of them currently held by Democrats.
Historically, the party ofthe president loses a number
of seats at this point in thecommander in chief's term.
President Trump, though,is trying to prevent
that from happening.
He needs to keep a Republicanmajority in both chambers
to keep his agenda moving forward.
- Well, we're joined now
by Jennifer Wishon and Amber Strong.
Amber, in the lead up to the midterms,
there's been a lot oftalk about the blue wave,
but the New York Times hada story headline today.
What Could Hold Back a Democratic Wave?
The economy, confidence, or independence.
What's your take?
We know that the blue wavethat we've heard so much about
has now kind of beennarrowed to a gap or a blip?
But what's your sense now?
- Yeah, the new saying is isit gonna be the blue trickle?
Historically speaking andstatistically speaking,
you have to look at President Barack Obama
and presidents who've hadsimilar approval ratings
as Donald Trump.
Donald Trump's at about 47%.
Barack Obama was at about 45% in 2010.
Those approval ratingsaren't that different
and Barack Obama lost significantly
in the House and seats in the Senate.
If we're gonna look at statistics,
then you can count onat least a blue trickle.
And I think there's a misconception
when you have the word wave,
that people think thatit's about this huge gap
that's gonna happen and Republicansare gonna get blown out.
It's not about the gap, it'sabout wins versus losses.
So even if it's just a 2% win,
if the Democrats are pickingup all those House seats
that we're looking at, thenit's still a blue wave.
- Jennifer, to get you to comment on that,
Amber just mentioned President Obama,
the wave that he experienced in 2006,
actually that was 2010,
but I think one of the differences
when you look at all these previous waves
whether it was 1994,whether it was 2006 or 2010,
that those waves happenedduring a recession.
We are now in an economic boom.
How do you think this isgonna play out with regard
to President Trump andhis Republican majorities
- Well, I think the word in that title,
in that New York Times story is economy.
In a lot of these districts
and a lot of these neighborhoods,
people are sitting athome and they're saying
you know what, I feelgood about the economy.
Consumer confidence is through the roof.
Unemployment numbers have broken records.
And, you know, I think people,
unless you're supermotivated about the culture,
about these issues thatwe've been talking about
evening after evening, ifyou're not really fired up
about those and you feelgood about the economy,
I'm not sure you turn out on Tuesday.
- And issues, he's certainlyout on the campaign trail
touting all of these issues,all of these accomplishments.
He was in Texas last night.
He's got, I think, 22 morestops before Election Day,
so non-stop schedule.
Both of you again, and we'llstart with Jennifer this time.
Do you think this is hurtingor helping the president
and these Republican candidates?
- I think it helps.
I think it reminds peoplethat they feel good,
they feel good about the economy,
they feel good about the factthat they're gonna have a job,
that they feel stable economically.
That's huge when you thinkabout what families worry about.
It also reminds peoplethat this is a president,
in a historic way, who said what
he was gonna do and he's done it.
He has a record to tick off.
I think people who are considering voting
for Republicans or Democrats, again,
if they're not fired upabout these cultural issues
that we talk about, then I think that
this only helps the Republicancandidates out there.
It motivates the base, they get fired up.
The president's coming, thelocal media is out there,
and I think it's a good thing.
- And Amber, do you thinkit's also a reminder
to people who don't support the president
of hey, I don't support this president
so I better get to the polls as well.
- Oh yeah, so much so thatit's becoming a question
of who's running anymore.
You know, you look andyou see President Trump
and it's like oh yeah, there's a candidate
over there in the back.
Oh he's running, who am I voting for?
It's almost like PresidentTrump is on the ballot.
For those who are triggered by the sight
of President Trump, thenthat is the motivation
to get to the polls and to vote
against him and his policies.
I interviewed the Indianacandidate, Mike Braun, recently
about this very issue.
I said you've aligned yourselfso much with the president,
is that gonna hurt you?
And he said no, I'mcounting on it helping me.
When people look atthe blue-collar workers
who felt abandoned whonow feel rejuvenated
by the president and some of his promises.
I did remind him, Indiana's a big state.
You might get those blue-collarworkers but everyone
in the state's not gonnabe a blue-collar worker.
- That's a really interesting race.
- You know, for the folks who'vebeen watching Faith Nation,
they're familiar with some of the topics
that we've been talking about.
We've been talking about howanger is really something
that's fueling this midterm election.
But the Washington Posthad an article out today
that says the GOP isbasically betting their hopes
on fear motivating people to the polls.
Jennifer, is this a winnable strategy?
- Yes, satisfied voterstend to not make sure
that they're up early before work
to vote on Tuesday or staying late.
Fear is a great motivator.
In many ways, people are talking about
how this feels a lot like2016. In a lot of ways it does
because we're talkingabout culture issues.
Those are the types ofissues that motivate people.
There are still people on both sides
that are fired up about Kavanaugh,
people that, they're so fired up
and we're seeing mobs, you know,
people attacking elected leaders.
And so, I think that the fear strategy,
the fact that there's 7,000 migrants
moving towards the border.
Remember in 2016, what did we hear
chanted at all of the president's rallies?
Build the wall, build the wall.
Well, he hasn't built the wall yet,
but I think voters who areconcerned about that know
that Democrats are not gonnahelp him build the wall.
So I think that this is a strategy
that worked for them,for Republicans in 2016
and they're betting on it again.
- We talk about the wall and the caravan.
I'd like to get your thoughts, Amber.
Do you think that's gonna be a big issue?
We know that Kavanaugh is a big issue.
We know that the economy and a number
of other issues are really important.
But what about this caravan?
- Yeah, it's interesting
because the Democrats haveto find their own caravan.
They haven't found their caravan.
They've tried to tap intohealthcare and they tried to say
look, you're gonna losesome of your benefits.
Look, the GOP is gonna cut Medicaid,
they're gonna get rid of everything
about Obamacare that you love,
but they haven't found their caravan.
Then when they try to push back
with some of the statistics about fear,
it isn't always a winning strategy, right?
We saw this with Kavanaugh, for instance.
The fear out of that is nowmy sons have to be worried
that they'll be accused of sexual assault
when realistically it's about a 2% chance
that they'll be accused of sexual assault.
So if you didn't go to bed thinking
that your son was gonnabe accused of murder,
probably not gonna beaccused of sexual assault.
But it doesn't matterbecause as a mom, you fear,
you're afraid and youtake that to the polls.
Until the Democratscan find their caravan,
something that they canpinpoint and say this is it,
the strongest thing I've seen
so far is the presidenthimself and his rhetoric.
Is this the new normal that you want?
If they can get a unifying message behind
this is the thing thatyou should be afraid of
and the reason youshould get to the polls,
then they'll be good to go.
- Yeah, and Jennifer, this caravan,
it's optically, peopleare making the argument
that this is reallyterrible, terrible optics
for the Democratic party.
- Yeah, this is October surprise.
This is an October gift toRepublicans, absolutely.
And people, you know, I think people
that they worry about national security,
people who are concerned about that,
people who just want immigrantswho support immigration,
legal immigration, they wantimmigrants to come to the U.S.
They appreciate themixing bowl that we are,
but they want it to happen legally.
So I think this is ahuge gift for Republicans
and we're gonna hear thepresident keep talking about it.
- Last question, I want to kind of mix
two things here if we can.
I definitely want yourthoughts as we're two weeks
away from the midtermelections but if we can also
chime in a little bit on civility,
because we live in a polarized America.
We've seen things that perhapswe haven't seen play out
as vividly as we have before,
whether it's MitchMcConnell or Nancy Pelosi
being chased down orchased out of restaurants.
How does this all play out into the sense
that we're just 14 days awayfrom going to the ballot box?
How much are we gonnacontinue to see that?
Will that die down?
Will that passion perhaps spark something
that we haven't yet seen?
- Hmm, well, that's a good question.
Two weeks in politics canseem like an eternity.
A lot can happen between now and then.
I think what we are seeing right now,
you know, this has startedon college campuses
where only one viewpoint is allowed.
We're seeing it spillinto the public at large.
I think that so manyAmericans don't understand
the importance of civility.
They don't understand the Constitution.
They don't understand thevalue of having different
viewpoints, and we're seeingthat among the electorate,
and I think that everyoneshould be concerned about that.
Will it die down?
I think that after the midtermelections, it will die down,
but I think this is anissue we're gonna have to
grapple with as a country going forward.
- [Jenna] Amber, final thought?
- Indeed, I mean we sawthe news this morning
about George Soros,someone who funds a lot
of Democratic strategies,having explosive devices
near his home and RandPaul coming out strong
and saying this is wrong and I don't care
what side of the aisle you're on.
And until we see more RandPauls on the GOP side,
and definitely more onthe Democratic side,
I don't see it goingaway after the midterms.
- All right.
- Well, some in themainstream media are accusing
President Trump and theGOP of fear-mongering
and mob-style anticsahead of the midterms.
But our next guest says not so fast.
Curtis Houck with the MediaResearch Center joins us now.
And Curtis, thank youso much for joining us.
First of all, in your first article,
in your latest article, excuse me,
you specifically callout NBC's Chuck Todd.
Talk about that.
- Yeah, so, on Friday's MTP Daily,
Chuck Todd is continuingwhat had been going on
throughout the week and into this week,
this liberal media strategythat you've been seeing
in newspapers and on cablenews and the broadcast networks
talking about theRepublican strategy going
into the midterms as beingone of fear-mongering,
just, you know, xenophobia,mob-style tactics,
you know, that Republicans are the ones
that are the mob and notthe Democrats at all.
So Chuck Todd is saying thatRepublicans are engaging
in conspiracy theories.
He cites President Trump'srallies as examples of that,
but I have to push back on that
because what we've beenseeing is, you know,
the other, just last night we learned
that a brick was thrown through an office
at one of Kevin McCarthy's offices.
We've had Republicancandidates threatened.
That doesn't even start to look at
the Kavanaugh protestorsor what Maxine Waters said
back in June about theneed to get in the faces
of Republican officialsand members of Congress.
- Clearly, a lot of examples,Mitch McConnell another one.
In Montana, though, wedid see the president.
He gave a shout out toCongressman Greg Gianforte
who as you know assaulted a reporter.
Does Chuck Todd not have a point
when it comes to something like that?
- It certainly, hecertainly does about that.
What I think is usually the case
when the president does something
that might be unpopular or,many people would be considered
to be uncivil, then youhave the liberal media
go overboard reacting to it.
You saw last week whenthe president did this
and did the body slammimic of Greg Gianforte,
you had people go out there and compare,
you know, mentioned Ben Jacobsof The Guardian newspaper
who was body slammed byGianforte in the same sentence
as Jamal Khashoggi who we knowwas murdered and butchered
in Turkey by the Saudis.
Comparing the two, thenthat just drives people
back to the president.
I saw that last week as a classic example
of how Trump does something
that may not be beneficialto expanding his base,
but then the news media sendspeople back to the president
by completely overreacting to a situation
and taking his bait.
It's another exampleof the president trying
to troll the press andthe press fall for it.
- Yeah and you talked about that,
the Democrats, as you say,
overplaying their hand in a lot of cases.
Something that you mention in this article
is that Democrats, basedon Chuck Todd's reporting,
a lot of Democrats say thatthey actually do feel like,
they admit that they messed up the whole
Brett Kavanaugh SupremeCourt confirmation.
Curtis, though, we don't heara lot about that in the media.
- Right, it was tucked in in the middle
of this panel segment talking about
Republican fear-mongeringand scare tactics,
and Republicans being the real mob.
The Democrats who wokeup the Republican base,
and that's something that's interesting,
and the media, I don't think, you know,
having been a part of that,having helped wake up the base,
the Republican base, sotheir own opposition,
they're trying to be indamage control right now
by trying to tamp down on that enthusiasm.
I don't think that's gonna work.
The more the news mediatalk down to Trump voters,
the more likely, the bigger the chance
that they're gonna go out thereand they're already voting.
Early voting is usuallysomething you would think
that benefits Democrats,
But in certain states like Nevada,
we're seeing it benefit Republicans.
- The Republicans traditionally turn out
on Election Day becausetradition and all that sort,
so, we'll see, but again, CNN and MSNBC
may try to push this idea
of fear-mongering and mob-style tactics.
You just have to go down the list
and look at Republicans assaulted
or how Kavanaugh protestorswere paid as some have admitted.
It's really on the other side.
- All right, well, Curtis Houckwith Media Research Center,
we really appreciate it.
Thank you so much for your time.
- [Curtis] No problem.
- [John] When we come back,why the president is planning
to pull out of a nucleararms treaty with Russia.
Vice President Mike Pence says the death
of journalist Jamal Khashoggi will not go
without an American response,
but he's declining to say whatthat response might entail.
He made that comment at anevent hosted by Washington Post,
where Khashoggi worked as a columnist.
The vice president'scomments come just today
after Turkey's president promisedto reveal the naked truth
on the murder of theSaudi journalist today.
Speaking before parliament,President Recep Tayyip Erdogan
said Khashoggi's murder was premeditated
and carried out by a15 man Saudi hit squad.
Reports say seven of the men belonged
to the protection detailof the Saudi crown prince.
- [Translator] My callis first and foremost
to Saudi Arabia's King Salmanand to senior administration.
Istanbul is where the incident took place.
Therefore, my offer is for these 15 people
plus three people, the 18arrested, to be tried in Istanbul.
- [John] Khashoggidisappeared on October 2nd
during a visit to the Saudiconsolate in Istanbul.
- Well, President Trump plansto pull the United States out
of the Intermediate-Range NuclearForces Treaty with Russia.
It was an agreement in the1980s designed to bring peace
to the U.S. and allies inEurope and the Far East.
CBN's National SecurityCorrespondent, Erik Rosales,
reports why the administrationwants out of the treaty.
- For years, the United States has claimed
Russia has violated theINF Treaty for developing
and deploying medium-rangenuclear missiles.
At a press conference in Moscow,
U.S. National SecurityAdvisor, John Bolton,
said that the U.S. is withdrawingfrom the 30 year treaty.
- This is not a subjectthat arose yesterday.
This question of Russianviolations is long and deep.
- [Erik] Bolton said aformer withdraw notice is yet
to be filed, but he did refer to six years
of U.S. State Department reports
that showed Russia's violations.
Prior to the announcement,Bolton said a variety
of topics were discussed in meetings,
including Russia'sinterference in U.S. elections.
- I can say we're obviouslymonitoring the potential
for foreign interference in our elections
across the board very closely.
We have two weeks togo until the election.
I hope there isn't any meddling at all.
- [Erik] News reports out of Moscow claim
Putin told Bolton he wants
to continue a dialoguewith President Trump.
- Russia has not adhered to the agreement.
This should have been done years ago.
Until people come to theirsenses, we have more money
than anybody else byfar, we'll build it up.
- [Erik] Putin mentionedpossibly meeting Trump
on November 11th when thetwo leaders are in Paris
to commemorate the 100th anniversary
of the end of World War I.
INF stand for Intermediate Nuclear Forces.
The treaty was signed in 1987by President Ronald Reagan
and Soviet Union leader Mikhail Gorbachev,
when the two super powers weretrying to end the Cold War.
Putin recently made what someare calling troubling remarks
about a possible nuclear war.
- [Translator] The aggressor should know
that a retaliation is inevitableand they will be destroyed.
And we will be the victims of aggression
and rise to the heavens as martyrs
and they will just drop dead.
- [Erik] Hudson InstituteSenior Fellow, Richard Weitz,
feels by leaving this treaty,it opens up other lines
of communication for bothRussia and the United States.
- President Trump is searching for
an out-of-the-box approachto some of these issues,
and he may want to considerhaving an arms control treaty
with Russia that would include
both the intermediate-range missiles
and the larger ones puton the common sealings.
So Russia can keep themissiles it's developing
but then they'd have justfewer of the longer-range ones.
- Some national security experts believe
that the INF Treaty putthe U.S. at a disadvantage.
Take for instance, China, whois not part of the agreement.
The country has seen asurge in missile buildup,
even hypersonic missiles.
The U.S. is now in theprocess of stepping up
its hypersonic research.
This year, the Air Force awarded$1.4 billion in contracts
to begin working onair-launched hypersonic weapons.
- Erik, so if this treatyput restrictions on the U.S.
and Russia, but not on othercountries, how does this work?
- Well, I'll tell you what,
that is the biggest criticismwith these treaties.
It is in fact, it'sbecause these treaties were
up against both Chinaand Russia that this way
they didn't have to follow the same suit
as both the United States had to follow.
This was a very important treaty
when both the United States
and the former Soviet Union were at odds.
But now, that's not the caseand we have new adversaries
out there and new methods of terror,
such as cybersecurity hacking.
- So Erik, this treatygoes back to the 1980s.
I'd have to imagine that it has
to be somewhat difficult to dismantle.
- Yes, it's a verycomplicated process out there.
Notification of withdrawalfrom one party to another
starts about a six monthtimeline before it's complete.
Now, during that time,both the United States
and Russia could attempt tonegotiate a broader arms deal.
That could be even involving China
or other nuclear armed countriesto bring them into the mix.
This is something that's going
to take a lot of time,at least six months.
- National SecurityCorrespondent, Erik Rosales.
Thanks so much.
- Thank you.
- Political divisions arecreating what's being called
a new age of outrage.
- While politicaldivisions are growing wider
across America, one authorsays it's giving birth
to a new age of outrage.
- In his new book, EdStetzer encourages Christians
to bring their best whenthe world is at its worst.
Charlene Aaron talked about it with him.
- [Charlene] Signs ofincivility and outrage abound.
- [Crowd] Believe survivors.
- [Charlene] From our nation'scapital, where protestors,
angry over the Kavanaughconfirmation process,
jammed Senate hallways
and interrupted CBN News'coverage of the demonstrations.
- Well, today has beenone of the rowdiest days
during the hearing both insidethe hearing room and outside.
The hearing began with the first hour,
was just very intensebetween the senators.
- [Charlene] To collegecampuses where last year,
rioters virtually took over Berkeley
because they wanted to stop a commentator
from the conservative Breitbart website
from speaking on campus.
- It seems that we're in a timewhen people are increasingly
at odds with one another,and it's an outrageous time
with a lot of anger.
- [Charlene] In his new book,
Christians in the Age of Outrage,
speaker and author Ed Stetzerpoints out our country's
deep divisions, hoping thechurch can bring about healing.
But before that can happen,
he says the church must focus on itself.
- I think one of the thingsthat has been important
to note in the last few years is that
sometimes the politicaldivisions has actually gotten
into the church, in a way thatmaybe it hasn't in the past.
- Stetzer says Christians cancounter the growing outrage
we see in our culture today
simply by exercising greaterspiritual discipline.
- My desire is that we mightact, and love, and listen,
and speak more like Jesuswould in these situations.
- [Charlene] Stetzer, whois also the Billy Graham
Distinguished Chair of Church,Mission, and Evangelism
at Wheaton College, and Executive Director
of the Billy GrahamCenter, says social media
is a big part of the problem.
He says Christians can hurt their witness
by not properly engagingdebates on hot topic issues
such as gay marriage or politics.
He offers a road map tonavigating online conversations.
- We can be in an evangelical echo chamber
where everyone sort of thinks like we do
and then we're shocked to find out
people have a differentworld view, and they do.
We actually found in our research
that evangelicals arevery likely to mute people
or block people who disagree with them,
and so you're neverhearing different views.
So we have almost an undiscipled approach
to social media that'salienating our neighbors
and building sometimes even divisions
between Christians, andwhat we're calling for
in Christians in the Age ofOutrage is a change to that,
a more thoughtful, Biblical,spirit-filled approach
that ultimately engagesculture more effectively.
- [Charlene] He goes on toencourage evangelical Christians
to model the message of the gospel.
- And so the question iswe have to make choices.
How do we speak up for what's right?
But also how do we showand share the love of Jesus
in the midst of the brokenness?
And I think our research shows
that people are sayingwe've gotta see a shift
in the way we ultimately engage culture.
The division is not helpinganybody, and in the long term,
harming the witness of the gospel.
- [Charlene] He saysthe best way to do that
is through proper discipleship.
- I actually used tolisten to a political show,
but I found that I couldn'tpray for the president
at the time and listen to that person
because I got so riled up.
And so, what I had to dois, in my own discipleship,
through spiritual discipline, I had to say
that's shaping me in away that leads me away
from what actually theBible calls me to do.
So I quit listening to that program,
kept praying for that president,
kept speaking up aboutthings that mattered to me,
but I was more discipled by my Bible
and the promptings of the Holy Spirit
than I was by the radio program,
or today, it might bethe cable news program
that I'm watching.
- [Charlene] Meanwhile,in this current culture,
Stetzer challenges Christiansto intentionally live
in a way that makes thegospel more appealing.
- I don't know that Christians can solve
all the outrage issues.
I think the culture has just gone,
it's turned up the volume to 11
and it's just going all-in on the outrage.
What I would say is
we need to show a counter-culture message.
The gospel's always beencounter-cultural, right?
It's always shown a different way.
When the world's running this way,
the Scriptures teach a different way.
Jesus calls us to a better way.
So, I think the betterway is not to join in
and turn up the outrage volume,
but instead to enter in on mission.
- [Charlene] Charlene Aaron,CBN News, Wheaton, Illinois.
- That's a great point he madeabout being really careful
what you're listeningto, what you're watching.
I mean, you are what youeat and what you consume.
- That stuff feeds your mindand your soul, you're right.
Well, that's gonna do itfor tonight's Faith Nation.
- Have a great evening.