Rudy Giuliani: 'The President and Michael Cohen May Have Discussed Testimony'
- Now sticking with the President,
his personal lawyer is fighting back
against that disputedBuzzFeed news report.
The latest from Rudy Giulianiis that the President
and his former personal attorney
and fixer Michael Cohen mayhave discussed his testimony
before Congress ahead of time.
- Yeah, John, that'sright, but Giuliani adds
that the President didnot instruct Cohen to lie.
Now that contradicts the BuzzFeed report,
which claims the President directed Cohen
to not tell the truth about negotiations
to build a Trump Tower in Moscow.
- It's not possible.
- The President's lawyerinsists his client
never ordered Cohen to lie to Congress.
A disputed report by BuzzFeed News
claims then candidateTrump supported a plan
to visit Russia duringthe presidential campaign
in order to meet with RussianPresident Vladimir Putin
to negotiate a project.
Cohen told Congress in 2017 negotiations
over Trump Tower Moscow stopped
in January 2016 before the primaries,
but later admitted that was a lie.
As part of his guilty plea,
Cohen said those negotiationscontinued as late as June 2016
when Trump was the clear GOP nominee.
BuzzFeed claims Mueller's team had proof
that President Trump told Cohen
to lie about it to lawmakers.
- We describe our sources here
as a federal law enforcement official
involved in theinvestigation of the matter
of the Trump Tower Moscow.
And we're not playing gameswith that characterization.
These are strong sourcesclose to the investigation.
- In a rare move, theSpecial Counsel's office
publicly denied that report, stating,
Buzzfeed's descriptionof specific statements
to the Special Counsel's office
and characterization of documents
and testimony obtained by this office
regarding Michael Cohen'scongressional testimony
are not accurate.
Regardless, Democrats still plan
to question Cohen about it next month.
- If anyone was instructing,
whether it was the Presidentor other people affiliated
with the White House orthe Trump organization,
encouraging a witness to lie,
we need to know about it.
- And again, today, BuzzFeed'seditor-in-chief, Ben Smith,
doubled down that theirreport is, in fact, accurate
despite push backs from theSpecial Counsel's office.
- All right, thank you, Ben.
Well CBN News' ChiefPolitical Analyst David Brody
joins us now for more.
David, the shutdown now in its fifth week.
Is this becoming the new normal?
- Yeah, it really is.
I mean the fact that we're into day 31,
I expect it to go into day41, possibly 51 and longer.
I mean look, it's unprecedentedwhere we are here.
And it's interesting 'cause the President
gave out this proposal, didthis proposal over the weekend,
and if you think about it,
it had a real compassionate streak to it.
Hundreds of millions ofdollars in humanitarian aid,
temporary protection for Dreamers,
temporary protection for TPS folks,
and the Democrats, it's radiosilence, nothing whatsoever,
so at some point, you wonderwhat's the counter-offer,
and they still haven't come up with one.
- Well, you just mentionedthe President's proposal.
Over the weekend, VicePresident Pence was pressed
on why not just re-openthe government first
and then negotiate borderfundings for the wall.
All while Democrats say that the President
is holding federal workers hostage,
so we're no closer thanwe were five weeks ago
when this all began it seems.
- Well that's rightbecause Democrats, John,
are on their sticking pointof we are not gonna negotiate
until the government is open,and Donald Trump is saying,
I can tell you for sure,
some White House aids are telling me,
why in the world would hewant to re-open the government
and then start negotiating with Democrats
when Nancy Pelosi said herself
that she wouldn't go ahead andgive him any sort of funding
for the wall even if they open up
the government.- But at some point,
is there some pressure for Democrats
to come to the negotiatingtable and to cede some leverage?
- There's no doubt about that
and that's why I thought over the weekend
that proposal by the Presidentwas really, really important
for this White House to say,look, I'm gonna lead with this
and it puts the onus on the Democrats
to come up with something for sure.
- David are you seeing anygive from the Democrats?
- Not really.
I mean they're sticking,
and Democrats do this well,
Republicans are not good at this,
but Democrats stick together
and they really have stucktogether pretty well.
I will say this, Joe Manchin today,
Senator Joe Manchin said Iwant to look at the proposal,
I want to take a look, hedidn't rule it out entirely,
but that's just one senator.
What the White House is trying to here
is that they want to passit through the Senate.
So they need 60 votes, right?
So they have 53 Republicans.
They need seven Democrat senators.
Good luck trying to getseven Democrat senators,
but they're hoping to get Manchin,
maybe Chris Coons and a couple others.
Having said that, a big time long shot.
- David, moving gears orshifting gears here a little bit.
BuzzFeed, the report thatthey put out last week,
all the cable networks gave heavy coverage
to the BuzzFeed report,also with a caveat,
saying that they hadn'tindependently confirmed the report.
Then the Special Counsel comes out
with this uncharacteristicrebuttal, essentially,
to the report and BuzzFeedis now still standing
by its report saying 100%it stands by its reporting.
What do you make of all of this?
- Well, yeah, it's the doubledown, as Ben was just saying.
Look, this is what I think it is.
I've been in Washingtonfor a little while.
I won't give you how manyyears I've been in Washington.
You can Google it.
But here's the bottom line,
and I'm just gonna saythis straight up, okay?
Ben Smith is with BuzzFeed.
He is in the, I'm gonna say it,
he's in somewhat of thatchummy Washington DC,
New York, Acela corridorbubble with ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN.
They all kind of follow each other.
So CNN and others took this story,
everybody took this story,
because it was BuzzFeed reporting it.
Here's the thing.
Let's reverse it for a moment.
Let's say this was President Barack Obama
and Breitbart had astory that was something
like a bombshell like this.
Do you think CNN and otherswould be reporting Breitbart?
No, of course theywouldn't on Barack Obama.
But the fact that the mainstream media
went with BuzzFeed's story,they're a chummy club,
and I think that's what happened here.
They all got kinda sucked upinto the oxygen of the moment
and now they have somewhatof a black eye because of it.
- David, the Special Counselnormally wouldn't comment
on this, but here they kindof had their hands tied.
They kind of had to getout in front of this
and say something.
- Yeah, it was a credibility issue,
I think, for Robert Mueller.
I mean I think they realizedthat this was taking on
a life of its own and theyhad to get out, in essence,
in front of it or stop it.
You'll never see the SpecialCounsel's office do this,
but in this case, they had to.
Because, look, this wasan obstruction of justice,
story about obstruction of justice,
and this would've been,as I said on Friday,
game, set, match for the President.
So they had to say something
before it got even more out of control.
- Thanks, David.
- Thanks, guys.
- Well, when we come back,
a picture's worth a thousand words,
but sometimes a viral video goes viral
for all the wrong reasons.
Stick around for the real story
behind what looks like a stand-off
between a Catholic high school teen
and a Native American veteran.
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- A student accused of racism and worse
in an alleged confrontationwith a Native American
at Friday's March for a Lifesays he did nothing wrong.
Nick Sandmann was among a group of student
attending the march.
Native American NathanPhillips was also there
for an indigenous peoples march.
The students were seenchanting and laughing
as Phillips drummed.
The video was shared onsocial media and went viral
and the students werecondemned for their actions,
but Sandmann, who was shown standing
in front of Mr. Phillips smiling,
says he was only tryingto calm things down
in the midst of all the chaos.
Both Sandmann and Phillips say
they were trying to diffuse the tension
between their groups and a third party.
That group, affiliatedwith the Black Hebrew
Israelite movement, wascaught on camera beforehand.
- [Speaker] Call the war funny get well.
- [Speaker] That's right.
- [Speaker] You crack in the face
- [Speaker] That's right.
- [Speaker] Crickets
- [Speaker] A bunch offuture school shooters
- [Speaker] That's right.
- [Mob] Wanted a mobetiesdirty animal, they're gone.
That's a bunch of DonaldTrump incest children
- Then the Catholicschool students responded
to the Black Hebrew Israelitesgroup by starting a chant
all this before theindigenous peoples group
led by Phillips came on to the scene.
The Native Americans acting as a wedge
between the students and the instigators.
Sandmann responded to all ofhis critics on social media
writing, " I am being calledevery name in the book,
"including a racist and I will not stand
"for this mob-like character assassination
"of my family's name."
- Well, here with us nowto help us break down
some of what we've beensaying is Will Ricciardella.
He's the the social mediadirector and reporter
for the Washington Examiner.
Will thanks for braving thecold to be with us today.
- Thanks for having meon, I appreciate it.
- What happened here?
This seems to be more thanjust social media bias.
- Now this is a story that themedia saw as an opportunity
and clearly didn't haveall the facts as we know.
Some conservativesdidn't have all the facts
that uses an opportunity to come out
to show how anti-racist theyare to condemn the student.
Most of the mainstream mediause this to manufacture,
they manufacture the rest of the facts
that they didn't have.
They fill then the blanksbecause they wanted to perpetuate
a narrative and a myth.
They wanted to stereotype these kids.
It was perfect, they'reyoung, white males.
They have a mughead onand this fit right in.
- Well give us an insight here,
you know on Friday thisvideo, it went viral.
All of the cable outlets, they ran with it
but in their defense,
if news programs didn't go with this story
wouldn't it have reallyI mean spread anyway
on Twitter, on Instagram, allof these different devices.
- Certainly, but news outlets can hedge.
They can say we don't know the facts.
This is the part of thevideo that we do have.
We're uncertain of the circumstances.
They made claims andput in their headlines
claims that this student was racist,
that he's a bigot and thathe was a Trump supporter.
They literally filled in the blanks.
This is not journalism 101,this is manufacturing a story.
- Well, so there seems tobe a culture of immediacy
in today's competitive media landscape
and this case is probablythe perfect example
of pushing things out withoutknowing the whole story.
So there was the third partyas Jenna just described
in her previous readand we now know about it
as they were the oneswho were instigating,
but that didn't come until later.
So what could journalistshave done differently
in this case.
- Now I'm a social media director.
I have been for a few years now
and I'm all about immediacy.
I'm on social media.
This wasn't about immediacy,this was about a narrative.
This fit the narrative.
That immediacy, that's nonsense.
This was there to fit their narrative,
they wanted to get it outthere, it was perfect,
there was a time during the shutdown
that this is what their readers enjoy,
this is what their readers wanna click on
and that's why they did it.
I mean plenty of times we held on a story
because we didn't have enough sourcing,
we didn't have our facts straight,
that happens all the time in journalism.
So the idea that this athing about a media site
being immediate is utter nonsense.
- Will Ricciardella, withthe Washington Examiner,
thank you so much.
We appreciate you coming in.- Thank you, I appreciate.
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Well at a time with racialdivision on the rise,
two ministers from totallydifferent backgrounds
say the church is uniquelyequipped to lead Americans
Amber Strong has the story.
- The United States of America,
the worlds great melting pot.
Each person arriving to this country
with a unique family history,
of how their ancestors putan imprint on their lives.
Yet with all that diversity,we're often more connected
than you might imagine.
Matthew Lockett is thegreat grandchild of farmers
and a pro-life advocate.
- He would actually make a joke out of it,
my dad and he would say," Iguess we're just a bunch of
"matts from Kentucky."
- Will Ford is the descendant of slaves.
He travels the country sharinga message of racial healing.
- They didn't think theywould see freedom in that time
so they prayed for thefreedom of their children
and the next generation.
- Two men on two very different journeys
but their worlds collided
when they attended aprayer meeting together.
- And I show up at the Lincoln Memorial
because of this dream.
I don't know why I'm there.
I didn't really even knowthat much about prayer
but that was the first placethat Will and I came together.
- They attended a churchservice later that night.
That's where Ford sharedthe story of his ancestors
A pot used by slavesto muffle their voices
during secret prayer meetings.
That led to a deeper conversation
which resulted in a friendship
and an unexpected partnership.
- We just started runningaround the country together
and doing prayer meetings.
- The Lord said this to me, he said,
"if I heard the silent whispers of slaves
"in the kettle pots, howmuch more do I hear the sound
"and screams of babies beingaborted in this nation?"
- Over the next decade,they spread a message
of life and love, lovefor the man next to you
regardless of race andlove for the unborn.
But the story doesn't end there.
- Lockett says there wassomething about that first meeting
he just couldn't shake.
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that this kettle had beenhanded down to Harriet Lockett.
- Years of research led themto a stunning discovery.
- My oldest known family member was a man
named Isaac Lockett.
The only Locketts at thattime period in Virginia
was Matt's family.
And so after doing fourmonths of research then
and another whole year of research,
we learned through empirical evidence
Matt's family is the familythat owned my family.
- And that revelation led tosome difficult soul searching.
- Matt's family owned our family
and I had to wrestle with that.
Cause we heard storiespassed down in my family
about slaves who were beat to death
for simply going fishing without asking.
And I really had to forgivefrom my heart Matt's family
for owning my family.
- Lockett says it was alearning experience for him too.
- There is many timesparticularly with White America,
there can be an attitude
that when these issues are discussed
and the history of slavery, even the pain,
the lingering pain of that to this day,
there can be a negative attitude
that just kind of dismisses it and says,
"look, you weren't there, Iwasn't there, get over it."
There's a very reallingering pain associated
with it generationally andnow that pain had a face
and it was the face that I love.
- That discovery couldhave torn them apart
and ended their ministry.
Instead, it strengthened their resolve.
- God is using a united churchto heal a divided nation.
- Lockett and Ford sayevery part of their story,
even the tough parts are by design.
They say there are no coincidences,
even down to the locationof that first meeting.
- From the former slaves andthe sons of former slave owners
will they be able to sit down together
at the table of brotherhood?
- It was here almost 55 years ago
that Doctor Martin LutherKing Junior delivered
his "I have a dream" speech.
Lockett and Ford believethey are living examples
of that dream fulfilled
and that allows them totravel the country together
sharing their dream for the church.
- I think what God isshouting to America right now
is this, "what storylinedo you wanna be a part of?
"The healing or the hurt,the blessing or the curse?"
- Two men from two different backgrounds
sharing a surprising connection
and pursuing a common missionof unity, life and healing.
- Amber Strong, CBN News, Washington.
- And that's all thetime we have for tonight,
have a great evening.