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700 Club Interactive: Lincoln - March 6, 2013

Author Stephen Mansfield talks about the faith of one of America's favorite presidents, Abraham Lincoln, in his new book "Lincoln's Battle with God." Read Transcript


FOR SCORE AND SEVEN YEARS

AGO --

Gordon: THE INCREDIBLE

JOURNEY OF AMERICA'S

GREATEST PRESIDENT.

I'VE MADE A COVENANT WITH

GOD, AND NOW IS THE TIME FOR

THE EMANCIPATION.

Gordon: THE SECRET

BATTLE OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN.

HIS FRIENDS WENT ON

SUICIDE WATCH MORE THAN

ONCE.

Gordon: ON TODAY'S "700

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INTERACTIVE."

THEY CALLED HIM THE RAIL

SPLITTER, AND YET HE IS THE

MAN WHO UNIFIED A NATION.

HE IS ALSO A MAN WHO FAILED

IN BUSINESS, AND YET BECAME

THE MOST SUCCESSFUL

PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN

HISTORY.

TEAMPLET

Terry: IN A NEW MOVIE

BY STEVEN SPIELBERG, ABRAHAM

LINCOLN FIGHTS WITH CONGRESS

AND MEMBERS OF HIS CABINET

TO TRY TO PASS AN AMENDMENT

THAT OUTLAWED SLAVERY.

HE POIGNANTLY ASKED, DO YOU

THINK WE CHOOSE TO BE BORN?

OR ARE WE FITTED INTO THE

TIME WE'RE BORN INTO?

AND HISTORIANS THINK

DESPITE, OR BECAUSE OF

LINCOLN'S HUMBLE BEGINNINGS,

HAD E WAS THE RIGHT LEADER

AT THE RIGHT TIME.

Reporter: ABRAHAM

LINCOLN BEGAN LIFE IN A

SMALL LOG CABIN IN THE VAST

FRONTIER OF KENTUCKY.

HE WAS ONLY GIVEN ONE YEAR

OF FORMAL SCHOOLING.

BUT THAT DIDN'T STOP HIM

FROM GETTING AN EDUCATION.

LINCOLN TAUGHT HIMSELF AND

BECAME A LAWYER AT 27.

YOUNG LINCOLN ONLY SERVED A

SINGLE TERM IN THE U.S.

CONGRESS.

HE LATER RAN FOR THE

ILLINOIS SENATE AGAINST

STEVEN DOUGLAS, AND BECAME A

LEADING VOICE IN THE

ANTISLAVERY MOVEMENT.

LINCOLN LOST THE RACE BUT

STAYED IN POLITICS.

TWO YEARS LATER, HE WAS THE

REPUBLICANS' NOMINEE FOR

PRESIDENT, AND WON THE WHITE

HOUSE IN THE DIVIDED

ELECTION OF 1860.

LINCOLN FACED A TOUGH TASK.

BEFORE TAKING OFFICE,

AMERICA DECLARED THEMSELVES

AN INDEPENDENT NATION, A

DECISION THAT WOULD QUICKLY

PLUNGE OUR COUNTRY INTO A

LONG AND BLOODY CIVIL WAR.

AS COMMANDER IN CHIEF,

LINCOLN FOUGHT TO REUNIFY

AMERICA AND FREE IT FROM THE

STAIN OF SLAVERY.

HE SIGNED THE EMANCIPATION

PROCLAMATION, WHICH FREED

THE SLAVES ON NEW YEAR'S DAY

1863.

HE CALLED IT THE ONE THING

THAT WOULD MAKE PEOPLE

REMEMBER THAT I LIVED.

BY THE END OF THAT YEAR, THE

TIDE OF THE WAR WAS

TURNING.

IN NOVEMBER, HE TRAVELLED TO

A MEMORIAL SERVICE AT

GETTYSBURG, PENNSYLVANIA,

AND DELIVERED ONE OF THE

MOST FAMOUS SPEECHES IN

AMERICAN HISTORY.

FOR SCORE AND SEVEN YEARS

AGO, OUR FATHERS BROUGHT

FORTH ON THIS CONTINENT A

NEW NATION.

AND THE GOVERNMENT OF THE

PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE, AND

FOR THE PEOPLE SHALL NOT

PERISH FROM THE EARTH.

*

Reporter: AS THE WAR

WAS WINDING DOWN, LINCOLN

BEGAN HIS SECOND TERM IN

OFFICE.

HE PUSHED CONGRESS TO PASS

THE 13th AMENDMENT WHICH

BANNED SLAVERY IN THE UNITED

STATES.

DURING HIS SECOND INAUGURAL

ADDRESS, LINCOLN SPOKE OF A

JUST AND LASTING PEACE.

TRAGICALLY, HE WOULD NOT

LIVE TO SEE IT.

ON APRIL 14, 1865, DAYS

AFTER THE CIVIL WAR ENDED,

JOHN WILKS BOOTH SHOT

ABRAHAM LINCOLN.

THE NEXT MORNING, AT

7:22 A.M., LINCOLN DIED.

TODAY ABRAHAM LINCOLN

REMAINS ONE OF OUR MOST

BELOVED PRESIDENTS.

HE NAVIGATED OUR COUNTRY OUT

OF A WAR AGAINST ITSELF.

HE PRESERVED THE UNION.

AND 150 YEARS AFTER THE

EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION,

HE IS REMEMBERED AS A

CHAMPION OF FREEDOM FOR ALL

AMERICANS.

Gordon: WELL, WE ASKED

OUR Facebook AUDIENCE THE

QUESTION: WHO WAS THE

GREATEST PRESIDENT?

ABRAHAM LINCOLN WAS THE

RUN-AWAY WINNER, GETTING

HALF THE VOTES, THEN CAME

RONALD REAGAN, AND PRESIDENT

OBAMA ROUNDED UP THE TOP

FOURTH.

COMING IN LAST WAS MILLARD

FILLMORE.

JOINING US IS STEVEN

MANSFIELD, THE AUTHOR OF THE

NEW BOOK, "LINCOLN'S BATTLE

WITH GOD."

THANKS FOR BEING ON OUR

PROGRAM.

GOOD TO BE WITH YOU,

GARD.

Gordon: WE KNOW HE

LINCOLN HAD HUMBLE

BEGINNINGS, BUT HE RARELY

TALKED ABOUT HIS EARLY

LIFE.

WHY IS THAT?

I THINK IT WAS A PAINFUL

TIME FOR HIM.

HE DID NOT GET ALONG WITH

HIS FATHER.

HE FOUND HIS PARENTS' FAITH

TO BE REVIVALISM.

HE DIDN'T DO WELL IN THAT

TIME.

HE LOST A MOTHER.

HE LOST A SISTER DURING THAT

EARLY LIFE.

I THINK THE COMBINATION OF

THE PAIN, THE EMBARRASSMENT

OVER THE POVERTY IN HIS LIFE

WAS JUST TOO MUCH FOR HIM.

Gordon: ONE THING YOU

TALK ABOUT IN THE BOOK IS

THERE WERE MULTIPLE POINTS

IN LINCOLN'S LIFE WHEN HE

CONTEMPLATED SUICIDE.

I THINK PEOPLE KNEW HE

SUFFERED FROM MELANCHOLY,

BUT THAT EXTREME?

HE WANTED TO KILL HIMSELF?

YES.

IN FACT, HIS FRIENDS WENT ON

SUICIDE WATCH MORNING ONCE.

I THINK THIS HAS BEEN

UNDERSTATED AND

UNDERREPORTED IN LINCOLN

WRITING.

THERE IS A GREAT BOOK CALLED

"LINCOLN'S MELANCHOLY,"

WHICH CORRECTS THE RECORD,

BUT HE WAS A VERY DEPRESSIVE

MAN.

HE DRIPPED MELANCHOLY WHEN

HE WALKED.

HIS SADNESS WAS ETCHED IN

HIS FACE.

PEOPLE WOULD FEEL A CHILL

WHEN THEY WALKED BY HIM ON

THE STREETS.

HE WAS AROUND A LOT OF

DEATHS.

HE SAID HE WAS HAUNTED BY

THE THOUGHT OF RAIN FALLING

ON GRAVES ALL OF HIS LIFE.

SO TWO OR THREE TIMES HE

LOCKED HIMSELF AWAY AND

CONTEMPLATED SUICIDE.

HE WROTE POEMS ABOUT IT THAT

WERE PRINTED IN NEWSPAPERS.

HE BATTLED DEPRESSION, I

THINK, ALMOST ALL HIS LIFE.

Gordon: HIS LIFE SEEMS

TO BE MARKED BY DEATH, IN A

STRANGE WAY HAUNTED BY IT.

FIRST WITH HIS MOTHER AND

THEN WITH HIS CHILDREN.

WHAT DID THOSE DEATHS DO TO

HIM?

WELL, IN THE EARLY DAYS,

WHEN HE WAS THE VILLAGE

ATHEIST, A MAN WHO HAD

REJECTED CHRISTIANITY OR

REJECTED A BELIEF IN GOD, I

THINK THAT DEATH JUST

DEVASTATED HIM.

HE BELIEVED THAT LIFE ENDED

THERE IN THE GRAVE.

AND HE THOUGHT ABOUT HIS

LOVED ONES SMOLDERING IN THE

GROUND WITH NO ETERNITY.

AND IT WAS TOO MUCH FOR HIS

SOUL.

AS HE STARTED TO RECLAIM A

BELIEF IN A SOVEREIGN GOD, I

THINK HE WAS BETTER ABLE TO

HANDLE IT.

THERE WAS STILL GRIEF AND

DARK NIGHTS OF THE SOUL, BUT

NOT BELIEVING THAT LIFE ENDS

AT DUST IN A BOX, AS HE ONCE

SAID, I THINK HE BEGAN TO BE

ABLE TO HANDLE DEATH BETTER,

AND THANK GOD BECAUSE HE WAS

GOING TO DEAL WITH SO MANY

OF THEM DURING THE GREAT

CIVIL WAR.

Gordon: WHAT WAS SORT

OF THE TURNING POINT IN HIS

FAITH?

HE WAS KNOWN AS AN ATHEIST.

HE WAS EVEN CALLED AN

INFIDEL.

AT THE SAME TIME, HE WAS

RAISED IN A STRICT BAPTIST

HOME.

AND THEN SOME OF HIS

WRITINGS, PARTICULARLY AS

PRESIDENT, YOU CAN'T HELP

BUT COME AWAY FROM READING

THEM THINKING HE IS A

PROFOUND MAN OF FAITH.

YES.

Gordon: WHAT LED HIM

FINALLY TO BELIEVE IN GOD?

WELL, I THINK HE RESOLVED

SOME EARLY ISSUES.

FIRST OF ALL, HE REALIZED

THERE ARE MORE STREAMS OF

CHRISTIANITY THAN JUST HIS

PARENTS' FRONTIER,

REVIVALIST KIND.

AND ABRAHAM LINCOLN -- HIS

FRIENDS SAID HE NEVER

STOPPED BELIEVING IN GOD.

IT WAS JUST BECAUSE HIS

MOTHER WAS ILLEGITIMATE, HE

BELIEVED SOMEHOW THIS WAS A

REJECTION OF GOD BY HIM.

HE FELT MARKED.

HE FELT CURSED.

IT IS THAT THING THAT WE

OFTEN TALK ABOUT WITH

ATHEIST, THEY SAY THERE IS

NO GOD AND THEY HIT HIM. HIT-- AND THEY HATE HIM.

LINCOLN WAS ANGRY AT GOD.

AS TIME WENT ON, HE RESOLVED

THAT ISSUE.

THINKING OF THE DAY OF OLDER

SONS BEING SUPERIOR TO

YOUNGER SONS -- HE RESOLVED

THAT.

BUT AS SONS DIED AND

RELATIVES DIED, HE ENDURED

SO MUCH DEATH.

THERE WERE GREAT MEN OF GOD

WHO CAME AROUND HIM.

GREAT PASTORS AND MINISTERS,

WHO SPOKE TO HIM, WHO HELPED

EXPLAIN CHRISTIANITY IN A

RATIONAL WAY HE HAD NOT

HEARD BEFORE.

SO I THINK THESE MEN TURNED

HIM TOWARDS DEEP FAITH.

SO BY THE TIME HE GOT TO A

WHITE HOUSE, HE WAS A MAN

CERTAIN OF A SOVEREIGN GOD

RULING THE UNIVERSE.

Gordon: YOUR BOOK TALKS

ABOUT ONE POIGNANT MOMENT

WHEN HIS SON, WILLIE, DIED

IN THE WHITE HOUSE AFTER A

PRETTY LAVISH BALL PUT ON BY

HIS WIFE.

AND DURING THE FUNERAL, HE

WAS SO STRUCK BY WHAT THE

MINISTER SPOKE ON, HE ASKED

FOR A COPY OF IT AND BEGAN

TO DISTRIBUTE IT TO PEOPLE.

AND THE MINISTER IN THIS

CLOSING PARAGRAPH QUOTES

FROM PSALM 119: "IT WAS GOOD

FOR US TO BE AFFLICTED."

DID HE COME TO A VIEW THAT

LIFE'S AFFLICTIONS CAN

ACTUALLY WORK TO OUR

BENEFIT?

HE DID, ACTUALLY.

HE BELIEVED THAT

PERSONALLY.

AND LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER

GREAT LEADERS IN HISTORY,

LIKE CHURCHILL, FOR EXAMPLE,

WHAT HE WAS ENDURING

PERSONALLY BECAME THE

SOURCE, SO TO SPEAK, OF WHAT

HE OFFERED THE NATION

LATER.

SO LINCOLN RESOLVING THE

FACT THAT SUFFERING COULD BE

REDEMPTIVE, THAT THE HARD

THINGS WE DEAL WITH ARE

TOOLS IN THE HANDS OF GOD,

WHEN HE TRANSLATED THAT ON

TO THE NATIONAL STAGE DURING

THE CIVIL WAR, THAT'S HOW HE

WAS ABLE TO GIVE US THE

SECOND INAUGURAL ADDRESS,

FOR EXAMPLE.

THAT IS HOW HE WAS ABLE TO

SPEAK ANY KIND OF

INSPIRATION TO THE COUNTRY

DURING THOSE HORRIBLE

YEARS.

Gordon: HOW DID HIS

VIEWS ON GOD SHAPE HIS VIEWS

ON SLAVERY?

IT IS INTERESTING.

HE WAS THE MAN ALWAYS

STRUGGLING WITH HIS FAITH,

BUT HE DID SAY A LOT ABOUT

JESUS CHRIST PUBLICLY.

BUT THAT HE CAME TO A VIEW

THERE WAS A SOVEREIGN GOD

WHO RULES IN THE AFFAIRS OF

MEN, AND HE WAS DISPLEASED

WITH SLAVERY IS WITHOUT

QUESTION.

HE ACTUALLY GOT VERY ANGRY

ABOUT SOME OF THE PROSLAVERY

THEOLOGY THAT WAS WRITTEN AT

THE TIME.

HE WAS STILL DOING WORK ON

HIS OWN PERSONAL

CHRISTIANITY, BUT HE WAS

ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN THAT

SLAVERY WAS A SIN, THAT GOD

WAS ANGRY ABOUT THAT SIN,

AND HE WAS JUDGING BOTH

NORTH AND SOUTH AS AS A

RESULT.

THAT'S WHAT HE SAYS IN HIS

SECOND INAUGURAL ADDRESS.

Gordon: THAT BECAME, IN

THE SOUTH, SORT OF THE CRY

AND THE AFTERMATH THAT WE

WERE JUDGED BY GOD, AND WE

WERE JUDGED FOR THE BLOOD OF

SLAVERY.

WITHIN JUST THE CIVIL WAR,

AT THE START THE NORTH WAS

ALL ABOUT PRESERVING THE

UNION.

AND THEN AFTER THE

EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION,

THE WAR BECAME ABOUT FREEING

SLAVES.

DID THAT HAVE ANYTHING

PERSONAL FOR LINCOLN AS

WELL?

THERE IS NO QUESTION

ABOUT IT.

AS THE CIVIL WAR BEGAN, THE

UNION HAD MORE MEN, MORE

MATERIAL, MORE MILES OF

RAILROAD TRACK.

IT SHOULD HAVE WON

EVERYTHING, AND IT DIDN'T.

FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS, THEY

COULD HARDLY BUY A VICTORY.

LINCOLN WAS BESIDE HIMSELF,

COULDN'T FIGURE IT OUT.

HE SPENT MANY DARK NIGHTS

WALKING THE HALLS OF THE

WHITE HOUSE TRYING TO FIGURE

OUT WHAT WAS GOING ON.

HE FINALLY CAME TO THE

CONCLUSION THIS WAR WAS NOT

ABOUT ONE SIDE BEATING THE

OTHER.

IT WAS ABOUT THE JUDGMENT OF

GOD ON BOTH SIDES.

HE MADE A COVENANT WITH

GOD.

AND HE SAID, OBVIOUSLY THIS

WAR IS ABOUT YOUR WRATH

ABOUT SLAVERY.

IF YOU WILL GIVE THE UNION A

COUPLE OF VICTORIES, TO SHOW

ME THIS IS THE TRUE, I WILL

EMANCIPATE THE SLAVES.

AND HE WENT AND SAID, I'VE

SWORN TO GOD IN A SOLEMN

COVENANT I MADE WITH HIM,

NOW IS THE TIME FOR THE

EMANCIPATION.

AND TWO VERY BRILLIANT MEN

WERE THERE TO WRITE THIS

DOWN, WE KNOW IT FOR

CERTAIN.

SO THE EMANCIPATION

PROCLAMATION, WHICH LINCOLN

CONSIDERED HIS GREATEST

WORK, HE DID TO ASSUAGE THE

WRATH OF GOD IN OUR NATION,

AND A SENSE OF A COVENANT TO

GOD.

IT IS A POWERFUL STORY OF

FAITH.

Gordon: HE WAS GETTING

READY TO ANNOUNCE HE WAS A

CHRISTIAN AND MAKE A PUBLIC

PROFESSION OF HIS FAITH, AND

IT WAS SCHEDULED FOR EASTER

SUNDAY IN 1865, AND

TRAGICALLY HE WAS SHOT

BEFORE IT HAPPENED.

IS -- HOW DO WE KNOW THAT?

WELL, THE GREAT STORY IS

THAT THE WAY YOU USUALLY

HEAR THE ASSASSINATION SCENE

IN THE BOX AT FORD'S THEATER

IS THAT LINCOLN AND HIS WIFE

WERE FLIRTING, AND SHE WAS

SAYING, WHAT WOULD THIS

YOUNG COUPLE WITH US THINK.

AND HE SAID, THEY WILL THINK

NOTHING ABOUT YOU HOLDING ON

TO ME.

THAT'S THE USUAL WAY IT

HAPPENS AND HE IS HOT.

MARY LINCOLN SAID AFTER HE

DIED, WE WERE CONTINUING A

CONVERSATION FROM EARLIER

THE DAY AND WE WERE TALKING

ABOUT WHERE WE WANT TO GO

AFTER THE WAR.

AND LINCOLN SAID I DO NOT

WANT TO GO TO SPRINGFIELD.

I WANT TO GO TO THE HOLY

LAND, WHERE THE FOOTSTEPS OF

THE MASTER HAVE TROD.

HIS FINAL WORDS WERE I SO

MUCH WANT TO SEE JERUSALEM.

IN HIS LAST WORDS BEFORE

JOHN WILKES ENTERED HIS

BRAIN, HE TALKED ABOUT THE

FOOTSTEPS OF THE SAVIOR, HE

TALKED ABOUT GOING TO

JERUSALEM AND BIBLE

HISTORY.

THERE IS NO QUESTION HE WAS

ON THE CLOSURE OF A

CHRISTIAN JOURNEY AND THAT

HIS ASSASSINATION CUT IT

SHORT.

WAS HE ALREADY A BELIEVER?

WAS HE SAVED?

THOSE AREN'T THINGS I THINK

WE CAN WITH CERTAINTY

CONCLUDE FROM STATEMENTS

THAT HE MADE, BUT YOU'RE

ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

HE WAS HEADING TOWARDS

BAPTISM AND DEEPER CHRISTIAN

SPIRIT.

Gordon: IF THOSE ARE

YOUR LAST WORDS, I'M PRETTY

CONFIDENT YOUR A CHRISTIAN.

THE BOOK IS CALLED

"LINCOLN'S BATTLE WITH GOD,

A PRESIDENT'S STRUGGLE WITH

FAITH AND WHAT IT MEANT FOR

AMERICA."

IT IS A GOOD READ.

I RECOMMEND IT FOR YOU IT

WILL OPEN YOUR EYES TO SOME

THINGS.

STEVEN, THANKS FOR BEING

HERE.

Terry: YOU THINK OF THE

POWER OF ONE PERSON TO MAKE

A DIFFERENCE IS

IMMEASURABLE.

IT CERTAINLY APPLIES TO

HIM.

Gordon: IT IS AMAZING

HOW THE EVENTS OF THIS LIFE

ACTUALLY ENABLED HIM TO BE

ABLE TO GET A NATION THROUGH

THE GRIEF OF THE WAR.

HALF A MILLION YOUNG MEN

DIED, AND JUST THE FAMILIES

HAVING TO DEAL WITH THAT.

IS IT WORTH IT?

Terry: WELL, AND THE

TERRIBLE DIVISION.

Gordon: AND IS THE

UNION WORTH IT?

AND HIM SAYING, NO, WE NEED

TO MAKE A COVENANT WITH

GOD.

WE HAVE TO FREE THE NATION.

THAT'S THE REASON WE NEED TO

COME UPON US.

Terry: MAYBE THAT SHOT

DIDN'T INTERRUPT THINGS.

MAYBE IT BROUGHT ABOUT

EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS SAYING,

HE WANTED TO SEE JERUSALEM.

Gordon: THE VERY NEXT

MOMENT, HE WAS WALKING WITH

THE SAV SAVIOR.

Terry: UP NEXT, WE'LL

TALK TO SOMEONE WHO BECAME A

MODERN DAY EMOLUTIONIST.

Terry: ABRAHAM LINCOLN

SIGNED THE EMANCIPATION

PROCLAMATION 150 YEARS AGO,

BUT VICTIMS OF HUMAN

TRAFFICKING AROUND THE WORLD

KNOW THAT SLAVERY IS STILL

ALIVE AND WELL TODAY.

ONE PERSON WHO IS TRYING TO

STOP THE PRACTICE IS ZACH

HUNTER.

HE HAS BEEN FIGHTING FOR

HUMAN RIGHTS SINCE HE WAS

JUST 12 YEARS OLD.

BASICALLY MY WHOLE LIFE I

HAD KIND OF A STRONG SENSE

OF JUSTICE, WHERE IF SOMEONE

WAS BEING MISTREATED OR

SOMEONE WAS KNOCKED DOWN ON

THE PLAYGROUND, I WANTED TO

GO HELP THEM BACK UP AND SEE

ABOUT WHAT I COULD DO ABOUT

THE PERSON WHO KNOCKED THEM

DOWN.

THAT WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT

WAS KIND OF BUILT INTO ME.

NOT REALLY TRAINED INTO ME,

BUT I FELT LIKE I WAS BORN

WITH THE EXTRA STRONG SENSE

OF JUSTICE.

SO LEARNING ABOUT SLAVERY IN

SCHOOL WAS REALLY HARD FOR

ME.

I JUST GOT REALLY, REALLY

ANGRY ABOUT IT.

ABOUT THE FACT THAT ONE

GROUP OF PEOPLE WOULD THINK

IT IS OKAY TO OWN ANOTHER

GROUP OF PEOPLE BASED ON THE

COLOR OF THEIR SKIN.

THAT JUST BLEW MY MIND.

WHEN I FOUND OUT THERE ARE

MORE THAN 27 MILLION PEOPLE

IN SLAVERY AROUND THE WORLD

TODAY, I KIND OF REALIZED,

WOW, THERE IS STILL

SOMETHING FOR ME TO DO.

I STILL CAN ACTUALLY MAKE AN

IMPACT IN THE WORLD.

A QUOTE FROM ONE OF MY

FAVORITE MOVIES, AMAZING

GRACE, WILLIAM PITT SAYS WE

ARE TOO YOUNG TO REALIZE

THAT CERTAIN THINGS ARE

IMPOSSIBLE, SO WE WILL DO

THEM ANYWAY.

I THINK THAT WAS MENTALITY

AT THE TIME, SO I THOUGHT TO

DO THEM ANYWAY.

THIS IS AN IMPOSSIBLE

PROBLEM, AND I'M NOT SO

DELUSIONAL THAT I THINK I

CAN END MODERN DAY SLAVERY,

BUT I CAN DO SOMETHING.

I TALKED TO MY FRIENDS AND

TALKED TO THE LEADERS AT MY

SCHOOL.

I SAID THIS IS WHAT I WANT

TO DO, I WANT TO RAISE

MONEY.

I STARTED A CAMPAIGN CALLED

"LOOSE CHANGE TO LOOSEN

CHAINS."

IT IS A FUNDRAISER AND

AWARENESS RAISING CAMPAIGN

FOR STUDENTS.

WITH THE CAMPAIGN, THE

STUDENTS WOULD TAKE OVER THE

SCHOOL, THE CHURCH, WHEREVER

THEIR COMMUNITY GROUP IS,

AND SPEAK TO THE GROUP ABOUT

MODERN-DAY SLAVERY, ABOUT

THE FACT THESE ARE KIDS OUR

AGE AND PEOPLE YOUR AGE WHO

ARE IN SLAVERY, PHYSICALLY

IN SLAVERY.

SOME LITTLE GIRLS BEING

FORCED INTO PROSTITUTION.

IT IS A TERRIBLE, HORRENDOUS

SITUATION.

BUT SAYING WILL IS HOPE, AND

THERE IS SOMETHING WE CAN DO

IN RAISING THIS LOOSE

CHANGE.

BECAUSE EVERYBODY HAS LOOSE

CHANGE, AND NOBODY REALLY

WANTS IT.

AND THIS IS A GOOD USE FOR

IT.

THAT WAS BASICALLY THE

PREMISE, COMPLETELY

STUDENT-LED, TO EMPOWER MY

GENERATION.

WHEN I STARTED THE CAMPAIGN,

FOR THEM TO REALIZE THEY CAN

DO SOMETHING AND TO HAVE A

PHYSICAL, LITERAL IMPACT ON

THE SUFFERING IN THE WORLD.

I REMEMBER THE FIRST LOOSE

CHANGE LOOSEN CHAINS

CAMPAIGN WE BROKE THE

CHANGE-COUNTING MACHINE AT

OUR BANK THREE OR FOUR

TIMES.

EACH TIME WE CAME IN THE

DOOR, THEY WERE, LIKE, OH,

NO, IT'S THAT KID AGAIN,

WHICH I'M OKAY WITH.

BASICALLY GET THAT CHANGE

MADE INTO A CASHIER'S CHECK,

AND SEND THAT CHECK TO ONE

OF FIVE NON-PROFIT

ORGANIZATIONS WE SUPPORT

THAT ARE LITERALLY FREEING

PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD.

THAT MONEY GOES TO PAY FOR

INVESTIGATORS, AND THEY GO

IN AND DOCUMENT THE CASE,

AND THEN TAKE THAT EVIDENCE

TO THE LOCAL POLICE, RAID

THE PLACE WHERE PEOPLE ARE

BEING HELD, AND GET THEM OUT

AND ARREST THE BAD GUYS AND

TAKE THEM TO COURT.

THE MONEY THAT IS RAISED

WOULD ALSO PAY FOR THE

LAWYERS WHO WOULD PROSECUTE

THE PERPETRATOR AND GET THEM

PUT BEHIND BARS.

AND THE MONEY ALSO PAYS FOR

AFTER CARE FOR THE PEOPLE

WHO ARE FREED FROM SLAVERY,

SO THEY CAN REHABILITATE

THEMSELVES AND HOPEFULLY

BEGIN LIVING NORMAL LIVES,

LIKE EVERY HUMAN HAS A RIGHT

TO.

THE MINISTRY HAS GROWN TO BE

MORE THAN LOOSE CHANGE AND

LOOSENED CHAINS, AND MORE

THAN ME.

IT IS MORE NOW ABOUT HELPING

PEOPLE FIND THEIR PASSION.

IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT IS

MO MODERN-DAY SLAVERY OR IF

IT IS HELPING RAISE MONEY TO

DIG WELLS IN AFRICA, OR

HELPING PEOPLE IN YOUR OWN

COMMUNITY.

THERE IS HURTING

EVERYWHERE.

WE CAN BASICALLY BE THE

SOLUTION, THE HEALING FOR

THE HURTING IN THE WORLD.

Terry: ZACH GETS IT.

HE REALLY GETS IT.

AND HOW WONDERFUL, ISN'T IT,

TO SEE SOMEONE WHO IS

ELOQUENT, WHO IS WILLING.

YOU KNOW, AT A TIME IN HIS

LIFE WHEN A LOT OF KIDS ARE

SORT OF SELF-FOCUSED AND

SAYING WHAT DO I HAVE TO DO

TO BE WHAT I WANT TO BE?

AND HE IS TURNED OUT AND

SAYING WHAT CAN I DO TO HELP

SOMEBODY ELSE.

Gordon: I LOVE THAT

QUOTE, WE WERE TOO YOUNG TO

KNOW IT IS IMPOSSIBLE, AND

SO WE DID IT ANYWAY.

I KNOW IN MY OWN LIFE,

BACK IN MY 30s, I WAS

STARTING MINISTRIES IN ASIA,

AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE

TELLING ME WHAT I WAS

PROPOSING WAS ABSOLUTELY

IMPOSSIBLE.

IT WAS INTERESTING TO ME

THAT I TOOK THAT AS A CHELE

CHALLENGE.

OKAY, WITH GOD, ALL THINGS

ARE POSSIBLE, SO LET'S GO DO

THIS.

IT SERVED NOT TO DISCOURAGE

ME BUT TO ENCOURAGE ME.

AND WHAT ZACH IS FACING, I

JUST ADMIRE.

YES, WE CAN MAKE A

DIFFERENCE.

ONE PERSON CAN MAKE A

DIFFERENCE WHEN THAT ONE

PERSON IS HOOKED UP WITH

GOD.

AND WHEN YOU'RE INSPIRED BY

A VISION FROM GOD, NOTHING

CAN STAND IN YOUR WAY.

IF GOD BE FOR YOU, WHO COULD

BE AGAINST YOU?

SO BE ENCOURAGED.

THERE ARE A LOT OF NEGATIVE

THINGS IN OUR CULTURE RIGHT

NOW, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT,

ONCE AGAIN, ARE WE A DIVIDED

NATION?

WE'RE LOOKING AT ECONOMIC

PROBLEMS THAT SEEM

INSURMOUNTABLE.

WE ARE LOOKING AT TERRORISM

THAT DIDN'T EVER SEEM TO GO

AWAY.

WE'RE LOOKING AT THE VARIOUS

THINGS GOING ON IN EUROPE.

IS THEIR ECONOMY EVER GOING

TO TURN AROUND?

A LOT OF DIFFERENT THREATS.

A LOT OF REASON TO BE FULL

OF DOOM AND GLOOM.

BUT WITH GOD, ALL THINGS ARE

POSSIBLE.

AND WE CAN DO IT IF WE JUST

SAY YES AND AMEN TO HIS

PROMISES.

UP NEXT, THE BOY WHO WAS

SOLD INTO SLAVERY BECAUSE

HIS MOTHER COULDN'T PAY A

$20 DEBT.

KOREAN

Terry: WE WANT TO

INTRODUCE YOU TO A TEENAGER

WHO HAD TO WORK AROUND THE

CLOCK BECAUSE HIS MOM

COULDN'T PAY A $20 DEBT.

Reporter: EVERY DAY

AFTER SCHOOL, MAHAM'S

12-YEAR-OLD SON STOPS BY TO

HELP HIS MOM AT THE ROADSIDE

CAFE WHERE SHE WORKS.

WEARING HER TRADITIONAL

BURMESE MAKEUP, HE TOLD US

ABOUT THEIR STRUGGLES.

IT HAS BEEN VERY HARD AND

WE DON'T MAKE ENOUGH MONEY.

Reporter: MATAM IS A

SINGLE MOM.

A SERIES OF EMERGENCIES HAVE

GOTTEN HER INTO DEBT WITH NO

WAY TO PAY IT.

SO HER SON DECIDED TO QUIT

SCHOOL AND GO TO WORK FOR A

LOCAL BAKER.

THE BAKER PAID OFF MATAM'S

DEBT IN EXCHANGE FOR HER

SON'S WORK.

BUT WHAT SHE DIDN'T KNOW IS

HOW BAD HE TREATED HER SON.

HE MADE ME SLEEP IN THE

KITCHEN, WHERE THE MOSQUITOS

BIT ME.

I HAD TO GET UP VERY EARLY

TO WORK AND I WOULD CRY EACH

NIGHT BECAUSE I MISSED MY

MOTHER SO MUCH.

BUT I KNEW I HAD TO KEEP

WORKING THERE WITHOUT PAY TO

PAY BACK OUR DEBTS.

Reporter: MATAM BEGAN

TO PRAY AND ASK GOD FOR A

WAY TO RESCUE HER SON.

I WAS BORN A CHRISTIAN,

BUT IT WAS JUST A RELIGION.

IT WAS NOT UNTIL THIS

HAPPENED TO ME THAT I GREW

CLOSE TO JESUS.

Reporter:

"OPERATION BLESSING" HEARD

ABOUT MATAM'S PLIGHT AND

QUICKLY PAID OFF HER DEBT TO

THE BAKER.

JUST $20 U.S. DOLLARS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH TO CBN

BECAUSE I CAN NOW STAY WITH

MY MOTHER.

Reporter: AND TO HELP

HER GET BACK ON HER FEET

FINANCIALLY, CBN GAVE MATAM

A GRANT TO START HER OWN,

LARGER CAFE.

THAT HAS MADE IT POSSIBLE

FOR HER SON TO GO BACK TO

SCHOOL.

AFTER THAT BAKERY JOB, I

KNEW I NEEDED TO GO TO

SCHOOL.

NOW MY DREAM IS COMING

TRUE.

ONE DAY I HOPE TO HAVE A

GOOD JOB, TO BE ABLE TO HELP

MY MOM.

Terry: DO YOU SEE HOW

YOU CAN IMPACT PEOPLE'S

LIVES AROUND THE WORLD?

THIS KIND OF ANSWER TO

PRAYER ON BEHALF OF A

MOTHER'S HEART AND A SON'S

HEART IS ANSWERED BECAUSE

PEOPLE JOINED "THE 700

CLUB."

THAT'S WHY WE ASK YOU TO

JOIN WITH US IN MAKING A

DIFFERENCE.

WE ARE TOUCHING LIVES IN

COUNTRIES ALL AROUND THE

WORLD, BRINGING THE MESSAGE

OF GOD'S LOVE AND GIVING

PRACTICAL HOPE AND HELP TO

PEOPLE WHO ARE SOMETIMES

SIMPLY HELD DOWN BY POF

POVERTY.

FOR 65 CENTS A DAY, $20 A

MONTH, YOU CAN BE AN ANSWER

TO SOMEONE'S ANSWER IN

NEED.

GO TO YOUR PHONE AND SAY,

YES, I WANT TO JOIN "THE 700

CLUB."

OUR NUMBER IS TOLL-FREE.

IT IS 1-888-777-1999.

YOU CAN ALSO JOIN WITH US BY

LOGGING ON TO CBN.COM.

WHEN YOU DO, OUR WAY OF

SAYING THANK YOU FOR CARING

ABOUT OTHERS IS TO SEND YOU

PAT'S LATEST TEACHING,

"GOD'S PLAN FOR AMERICA."

WE WANT YOU TO HAVE THIS.

"HOW TO PREPARE FOR THE DAYS

AHEAD."

I THINK IT WILL BE A

BLESSING TO YOU, BUT MOST OF

ALL, I THINK YOU'LL HAVE THE

SATISFACTION OF KNOWING

YOU'RE TOUCHING SOMEONE

ELSE'S LIFE.

Gordon: JOIN IN ON THE

DISCUSSION ON OUR Facebook

PAGE.

THERE IS A LOT ON THE

PRESIDENT AND WHO WAS THE

GREATEST PRESIDENT.

WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO BE PART

OF IT.

THAT'S ALL THE TIME WE HAVE

FOR THIS PROGRAM.

WE LEAVE YOU WITH A VERSE

THAT AB ABRAHAM LINCOLN

QUOTED RIGHT BEFORE THE

COUNTRY PLUNGED INTO A CIVIL

WAR: "AND IF A HOUSE BE

DIVIDED AGAINST ITSELF, THAT

HOUSE CANNOT STAND."

LET'S TAKE THOSE WORDS TO

HEART AS WE FACE A DIVIDED

ELECTORATE IN TODAY'S

AMERICA, AND A DIVIDED

CONGRESS AGAINST AN

ADMINISTRATION, AND LET'S

PRAY, AND PRAY EARNESTLY,

THAT WE WOULD, ONCE AGAIN,

BE ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, IN

DIVIS BELIEVE.

INDIVISIBLE.

I HOPE YOU'RE PRAYING FOR

PRESIDENT OBAMA AND THE

MEMBERS OF CONGRESS THAT WE

CAN COME TO SOME KIND OF AN

AGREEMENT.

IF WE'RE DIVIDED, WE'RE NOT

GOING TO BE ABLE TO STAND.

BUT IF WE CAN COME TOGETHER,

IF WE CAN UNITE, I USE THE

WORD COMPROMISE, THEN WE CAN

SEE A WAY THROUGH.

AND WITH GOD, ALL THINGS ARE

POSSIBLE.

GOD BLESS YOU.

WE'LL SEE YOU AGAIN.

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